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26 Jun 2017 02:11:35
The fourth estate are now mentioning us as watching Max Meyer at the U-21's - question to the Eds (the only ones who really seem to regularly know what the club are thinking / planning) - is he an option and in your opinion is he somebody that would improve the overall strength of the squad?

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{Ed001's Note - that is not true. We have people watching the U21s, but just generally watching them. There were no specific targets in mind there.}

26 Jun 2017 07:00:35
Truth is none of us know really what goes on behind the scenes, none of us. None of us really know how much we are willing to push for a player, none of us. Of course unless we are on the board, right?!

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{Ed001's Note - what is your point? Just wasting everyone's time with stupid statements like this, as the board are limited in their involvement in the footballing side of things. This was a self-righteous post based on ignorance of how football clubs are run.}

25 Jun 2017 21:58:41
I've searched for this but can't see anything. I've just heard now that Leipzig have slapped €80m on keita. Anything on this eds?

Looks like Liverpool are being made to spend big for their stupid mistake.

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{Ed002's Note - They don't need the money and don't want to sell. Hence a figure that would be too good to turn down.}

25 Jun 2017 22:18:07
Is he worth that? No.
Do RBL want to sell? No.
Does Keita want to leave? No.
Have the eds said we sustain an interest? No.

Leave it now.

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25 Jun 2017 22:27:52
80m euro is really not that much, when you consider a 70m price tag for VVD.

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25 Jun 2017 22:58:45
Yes they have.

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25 Jun 2017 23:03:07
And now they have quoted a price of 80 mil euros for him indicating he could be sold which is good news.

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26 Jun 2017 00:59:47
I don't know why everybody don't want a player for it cost. This transfer window is very important because we are already very strong and we just need to reinforce our weaknesses (lb cb cm rw) and if we have the money we should pay what it is needed because if we sign all the players we need apart from having a quality squad depth and being ready for all the competition we play I'm sure we will be able to win the league and start our hegemony in this premier league era.
Just 190m more to start our era (vandijk 70m keita 80m mendy 40m)
I know it won't happen but I have hope that we are really close to be successful again.

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25 Jun 2017 12:56:19
Eds

Any update on LB targets? most of news seems focused on VVD, Keita, Ox but concerned no real momentum towards signing a specific target is evident for our weakest position, LB. City seems to have leg up on Mendy.

respect.

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{Ed002's Note - There is nothing new.}

25 Jun 2017 13:38:40
agreed redordeadJA - the lack of movement is frustrating. I would want a complete squad by August. The first CL qualifier on 15th/ 16th August is one of our biggest games in last few years. Certainly need the defence sorted by then.

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25 Jun 2017 18:08:13
The transfer window is shut 😎.

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25 Jun 2017 19:18:57
Question for Ed01, how successful, if at all, have LFC being at stemming the insiders info to the media and others? Of course they can't control the info flow from agents and the other side.

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{Ed001's Note - obviously terrible or no one would have known what was going on with regards to Salah and VVD.}

25 Jun 2017 19:44:41
They leak information purposely or was doing so to get an advantage. It backfired with the VVD one.

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25 Jun 2017 22:16:11
Need to relax, there is still plenty of time to get out transfers in.
In klopp we trust.

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25 Jun 2017 21:55:20
Sorry Ed01, I was referring to Post VvDgate as the only speculation in the media seems to be linking us with players you and other Eds have discounted. I get the feeling that the flow has been reduced as I'm guessing we will get a CB and LB at least and all we are seeing are old stories rehashed.

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{Ed001's Note - everyone knew about Salah. It is more because the club have been forced to rethink the way they conduct transfers by the FA's possible action.}

24 Jun 2017 23:03:50
apparently saints now asking £70m for vvd if any club will meet it, any updates ed001 mate do you reckon klopp will pull out all the stops this time?

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{Ed001's Note - Saints have not changed their stance on VVD at all.}

25 Jun 2017 08:33:01
Surely there are better alternatives out there for much cheaper.

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25 Jun 2017 08:41:11
£70m for Liverpool and £56m for Chelsea! We've more chance of signing Dick Van Dyke.

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25 Jun 2017 08:48:58
I think it's 70m to whoever signs him.

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25 Jun 2017 09:32:39
Best to walk away. You could get 2 decent CH for that.

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25 Jun 2017 09:40:14
Totally agree 70 mill is a lot of money for a defender. Could get a LB and a decent CH for that money and still have change.

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25 Jun 2017 09:43:16
I think after all that's gone on and what we are trying to achieve we bite the bullet and move on guys hung his jacket on our nail Jurgens had the chat its went pear shaped our mistake we pay for it.

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25 Jun 2017 10:17:08
i think we should pay whatever it takes and learn our lessons.

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25 Jun 2017 10:47:57
70m for vvd. Just pay it who cares its not your money. One player can win you the league. Kante. Schemicheal. hazard. terry etc. Why buy another 30m lovren / sahko. Its quite clear that a striker and left back and holding mid may be coming. With such a dodgy keeper id rather vvd and an average lb.

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25 Jun 2017 11:13:53
This is a guy who is supposedly quick but had to pull down Firmino to stop him. Firmino is not exactly quick and Van Dijk was incredibly lucky not to be sent off. He is average and whoever pays £70m for him is a mug.

Fonte is the player everyone should have been after. He made Lovren look good, and then he made Van Dijk look good. Modern football tends to highlight the more in your face players though. Essentially, Lovren/ VVD were the rash, aggressive players who would ping the fancy passes, whereas Fonte was the guy who never got noticed because he made everything look easy and never made a mistake. His positional sense, reading of the game, and organisational qualities are what made him the glue of Southampton backline. Yet they have nearly conned us into paying £100m for his average partners. Thank god that £70m deal isn't happening because it would be embarrassing.

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25 Jun 2017 11:22:07
Have to agree with MK. You'd have to be half witted to pay to pay anywhere close to that.

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25 Jun 2017 11:23:54
Also the same guy who caught mane to put in a goal saving block. for a cbk he is a great athlete and very quick for his size. As I've said previously being from Scotland I've watched and wanted him from days at celtic. could see he was going to be a top player, a lot of top teams will be kicking themselves as all looked and never took gamble as Spl is a poor standard.

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25 Jun 2017 11:54:39
Spot on Z99.

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25 Jun 2017 11:37:19
May I just add to my previous post. As much as I have always wanted us to sign him, I agree £70m is to much!

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25 Jun 2017 11:37:35
Yes MK I think we also have to be careful of player who look good in lesser teams but struggle to step up a level. We've bought a few big fish in small ponds who now Lin very average in a better team. I would say Mane is a good example of an exception where he has showed the form that made us buy home and still made progress.

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25 Jun 2017 11:47:04
I have to admit that I'm struggling to think of another centre back with the same attributes (physically strong and imposing, dominant in the air, quick and good on the ball) as an alternative as there are none playing in the PL that have all of those attributes and not too many abroad either.

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25 Jun 2017 11:49:14
Its astounding that Klopp, Rogers, their coaches and the scouting team didn't spot that error, MKScouser. Maybe send Jurgen a quick email regarding Fonte and you could save the club a possible 70m. Clueless bunch they must be.

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25 Jun 2017 12:05:00
Koulibaly the cb from napoli is way better and he is two or three times better than vvd really and he would be cheaper.

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25 Jun 2017 12:24:56
Question.
What would happen if Chelsea have a £60m offer accepted and we decided to match that offer?

Would the FA take it upon themselves to look into the transfer, knowing full well the shenanigans we got up to?

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the addition of VVD but not at the expense of a potential transfer ban.

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{Ed002's Note - It has been done to death.}

25 Jun 2017 12:40:57
I'm sorry mk but pulling down one striker doesn't make you a bad player. I'm not saying he is worth 70 mill, but it's just picking one moment in a season to define him.
Fonte is average too.

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25 Jun 2017 12:48:00
Lallana20, you ever seen Koulibaly? He's like Djimi Traore on pies. Yeah he's a big lad, but he's got the turning circle of the QE2 and is pretty reckless. Yeah, he is strong and very tall, but his football ability is limited to finding Row Z.

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25 Jun 2017 12:48:54
Voronin you can turn a blind eye and pretend that professionals don't get things wrong if you want. I honestly couldn't care less. Lest we forget that their are some absolutely shocking players who have made it to the top of the game before being found out. Particularly in England. Bramble, Shawcross, Caulker to name a few.

Love the guy who tried to use him catching Mane as a defence though. You literally just reiterated my point! He is a highlight reel defender who is constantly making recoveries because he is too oblivious to stop the danger in the first place.

You want a defender as strong and fast? Boateng, Koulibaly, Manolas, Ramos, Varane, Colley, Kompany, Bailly etc. But that is just off the top of one persons head so there can't much more out there who would cost less than £70m, right? Our scouts sometimes need to do their job and stop raiding Southampton.

I am all for giving a player a chance if they sign to prove me wrong. But seeing as the VVD move is now dead, I feel I can express my honest opinion. He is a terrible defender. It says it all that the only positives you are drawing are his physical attributes! Football is a game won by the brain, not the body. The Germans, the Spanish, and the Italians know this which is why they blitz the English at every opportunity.

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25 Jun 2017 13:10:43
Mk vvd is class, good with his feet shown by his free kick abilities, can pass, good physically and marked Sturbridge out the game in both legs of the efl cup, 70m is expensive but he and alderwiereld are the best cbs in the bpl, so we should buy him.

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25 Jun 2017 13:11:19
{Ed002's Note - It has been done to death. }

I do not see why people keep on bringing up this issue Ed002.

People, people, people. Get this into your thick heads. If Liverpool are going to make further approaches for VVD then the FA will step in and sweep clean. How many times does this have to be explained?

If Liverpool stay clear of VVD then nothing else will happen unless we tap up another player.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not so sure your assumptions are true.}

25 Jun 2017 13:31:35
Young red- vvd only played in the first leg and We were shocking all over the pitch that game.

Vvd is good on his day but looks much better in the saints defence than he would in ours. He gets caught out of position far too often and that would only get highlighted more if he played for us when we have our high back line.

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25 Jun 2017 14:12:51
Boateng - Why would he leave the Bayern for us? Let's be honest!
Koulibaly - Lumpen, clumsy and only quick in a straight line, not quick on the turn and a bit error prone. Napoli are also notoriously hard to deal with.
Manolas - Roma don't need to sell now and he's a bit of a hot head to say the least, walking red card is a fair description, Monchi would make us pay through the nose!
Ramos - I'I presuming you mean Sergio? Thug, not that quick, over rated, poor in the air and a complete liability.
Varane - Never going to happen. Just never going to happen. Real Madrid to Liverpool at a time they just bombed out Pepe.
Colley - No experience at the top level, not convinced personally. Bit wary of the fact his brother plays for Chelsea and they weren't interested.
Kompany - Injury prone and nearing the end of his time at the top, injurues have taken their toll on his pace, always one kick away from time on the treatment table.
Bailly - Do I need to explain why this won't happen?

Personally I'd like us to go for Christensen from Chelsea if Van Dijk isn't an option. He's a real talent. Brilliant defender, quick, decent in the air and a good footballer.

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25 Jun 2017 14:19:20
Hansen's scar we are talking about a seasoned defender here in kalidou koulibaly. you should watch Italian serie A. really. To compare him to jimi traore is a damn right insult to defenders really. This senagelese cb is the real deal try watching his clips.

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25 Jun 2017 14:33:06
"Try watching his clips". I've watched a lot of Serie A and seen Napoli several times, I don't need to watch clips. He's very clumsy and lumpen. He makes Sakho look composed on the ball, hence the Traore comparison.

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25 Jun 2017 13:23:16
Why would it not be Ed?

Are Liverpool going to end up paying what Soton will request? If we go in and haggle then we will make an absolute mockery of ourselves again. If things fall through then Soton will surely go back to the FA as we just added more fuel to the fire.

The only way Liverpool will be able to sign VVD is for LFC to ask Soton to name the price and pay it.

Anything other than that will see Liverpool ending in the cesspool again.
There is not knowing what Soton will ask us to pay but it most definitely is not going to be pocket change. Again, will Liverpool pay Soton's price approching them in the correct manner and if Soton's time is wasted the deal goes nowhere with the player only wanting to join us after tapping him up, what happens then?

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{Ed002's Note - The point is that it is unrelated to any investigation that may be undertaken.}

25 Jun 2017 14:43:26
MY scouser I was in fact using one situation to show his speed just as you did with the point about firmino. And instead if giving him credit for recovery on mane you used it to blame him! When in fact it was Bertrand who was caught out and Vvd got back to cover. but hey that doesn't fit with your story! As I said I've watched him for years not highlights like you stated.

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25 Jun 2017 14:46:16
It won't be 70 will it. Of course not. Newspapers making up ridiculous figures this year. Somewhere between 45/ 50 thank you very much. If we get him and a decent lb I think we will win the league. Trust in klopp, best manager in the league.

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25 Jun 2017 15:19:03
I've been reading every window how we need a Marquee signing, splash the cash etc. If the club feel VVD is right for the money then quit fing off and sign him. And if he does come get behind him and don'moan the first mistake he makes
Matt in FL.

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25 Jun 2017 15:28:55
£70m would likely get you Mendy and De Vrij. need I say any more?

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25 Jun 2017 16:03:23
He doesn't have to be either "class" or "average".
He is certainly NOT average. The standard of centre backs in the premier league is extremely low. VVD is much better than the average defender in the premier league.

I worry about you MKS when you think Gibson is a better defender than VVD. They really are leagues apart in terms of quality.

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25 Jun 2017 19:34:31
MK Scouser, if VVD was such a poor defender and Fonte is a much better player, why is it that Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City want VVD and not Fonte who can be easily bought even now with a fraction of what VVD will cost?

You also mentioned earlier that you think Collins, Dann, Gibson, Yoshida are better than VVD! Honestly, I think you are a little confused man.

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26 Jun 2017 00:07:51
I don't agree that VVD is just an average defender; he is far far better than that. But then I also don't agree with "pay the price and get him and we'll learn our lesson". The prices being bandied about, even before the tapping up revelations, was already too high. And it seems to be a crazy sellers market out there now, particularly when English clubs are involved. It makes no sense at all when you consider that the best player in the League this past season (Kante) was bought for 36 Million, and players who might reach his level or standard (VVD, Keita and Mendy) are being quoted at double, a year later.

We got our LW. Let's go out and get competent LB and RBs, and then scour the market for fair priced players that will strengthen our bench. They are definitely out there. Agreed, EPL teams are flush with funds because of the new TV deal, but that's no reason to forget we were bleeding a million a week just a couple of years ago.

Many will say "what about the other teams that will strengthen? ". I'd say let them. ManU did beautifully with Mourinho and Ibrahimovic, did they? Arsenal imploded as usual, and there is no reason to believe it won't be repeated. ManC needs a rebuild anyway, simply because the squad is old, and not only because they have a new manager. Spurs are a threat but they don't have any glaring weak positions, so how much can they improve? Chelsea won because they added two key players to a squad that already won two years ago, and they got a manager who screwed the players' heads back on straight. Let's not forget we were title contenders on January 1st, before the cracks started showing. We need a minimum 2 players (LW and LB) and probably a maximum of 4 (adding a CB and CM) . And I don't see the need the pay extortionate prices. Both FSG and Klopp seem to be fiscally prudent, so I don't see any problems there. It's just the supporters who start salivating at the bait that is always being thrown at them by the journalists and media.

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24 Jun 2017 19:25:16
Hey ed01, could I please ask you for an update in the CM situation, and what are the expectations for next season?

It would seem that we are fairly serious in targetting Naby Keita, and I am all for that, because he seems an exceptional talent, and sometimes you just need to make room in the squad for such.

However, I am a little confused whether we are pushing for Keita specifically, or will an alternative CM be sought.

We seem surprisingly well-stocked in that position, even with Lucas leaving, we could keep Stewart as a utility player - it seems he did not make the next step in his development, but for me he is no worse than, say, Cocquelen.

The Oxlade-Chamberlain interest also confuses me. The lad needs to be a starter, and he won't be with us. Gini and Emre should be ahead of him.
One last thing - what are the expectations for Gini next year? Does he remain a regular starter, were Klopp and the training staff pleased with him? Personally, I liked him very much, but another of the eds pointed out that he went missing too often, so I am curious how does the club view him?

Cheers, have a good one!

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{Ed001's Note - Keita is not looking for the move, Oxlade-Chamberlain is the alternative. Wijnaldum is expected to be a regular.}

24 Jun 2017 19:51:43
Thing is that Ox isn't a centre midfielder, I can't understand the interest in him, as he's never looked much more than a one dimensional wide player with delusions of being a centre midfielder. I'd be disappointed if we went from Keita to Ox as the gap in ability between the two is huge. We'd be better off giving Stewart a chance than wasting money on Ox if we couldn't get a really top player like Keita.

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24 Jun 2017 19:56:00
This may be stupid ed but I'm going to ask anyway. Say if we sign the Oxs would the club keep trying to get Keita?

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{Ed001's Note - keep trying? We are no longer trying already.}

24 Jun 2017 20:32:38
Ed can you say or not please if there has been contact between us and Arsenal, or even talks between representatives and were talks are at currently.

Appreciate if i've asked to much and you don't want to say, but you do normally advise us of contact.

Thanks again mate.

I really hope we get him tbh.

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{Ed001's Note - he has been told he can leave if he wants and a bid comes in that meets Arsenal's valuation. As far as I am aware that is as far as things have gone, but Klopp really does want to sign him, he wants to join Liverpool, so I expect a deal to be done.}

24 Jun 2017 20:37:01
oh dear. not a good alternative.

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24 Jun 2017 20:48:14
So, across the whole of the world, what we are expecting to believe is that Ox is the best we can come up with for centre midfield? And this is the reason why we fail to ever really compete at the highest level and will continue to fail.

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24 Jun 2017 20:49:06
More average English over hyped players. Just what we need, not.

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24 Jun 2017 20:58:40
Wow. Cheers ed. Spot on again mate. didn't expect that reply. I hope we get a deal done. Have a good evening mate.

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24 Jun 2017 21:01:23
How is that the different option tho.

Just don't understand it. Same as sanchez to ballotelli.

Keita, cyprian, seri, gueye and kante should be the targets.

Obv two of them are not avaliable but there all pretty much the same mold.

How you get from kieta to oxlade is beyond me.

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24 Jun 2017 21:11:48
Why go for ox when today in the papers they are saying renato sanches has been made available for 23m down from 30m. I know he didn't play much for Bayern last season but at benfica he looked like a really promising young CM. I feel he moved to early in his career but he still has time to fulfil his immense potential. Another one we were linked with (to what degree I'm unsure) Gabriel Barbosa another that moved a little early and it didn't work out for him. But remember the last Brazilian Liverpool bought from inter and how that turned out?

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24 Jun 2017 21:17:08
I think everybody's over reacting to Ox coming in.
Everybody was quite upset with Mane and Wiji, I believe at arsenal, Arsene never made any progress with them, he's taken Ox, as far as he can, I believe he'll thrive under Klopp, especially if he's so keen on him to join, that'll install some confidence in Ox. I believed he'll surprise us all and I reckon he'll fulfill his abilities with us.
After the mane and wiji fieasco I think we should judge what they do on the field.

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24 Jun 2017 21:17:49
I remember when everybody on here was saying Mane and Wijnaldum weren't good enough.

Not saying Ox is perfect, but people forget he is 23 years old. He finally seems free of his injuries and just had his best season in terms of end product despite it being his first season playing from deeper. He has been historically an attacking midfielder or a winger. Yet last season he played in central midfield due to Cazorla being injured, Coquelin being the French Cattermole, and Xhaka being a thug with no ability. Then he was pushed deeper still to play as a wing back!

I have my doubts over him as part of a midfield 2. He is a bit of a headless chicken. However I'm intrigued to see him off the side of our midfield 3. He could be very good there in my opinion because he has the pace and power to get up and down, he can tackle, he has a good end product for a young player, and he is also comfortable in both central and wide situations.

Nowhere near as negative as some people make out. With Gini it was his fault Newcastle got relegated, and Mane was supposedly some dressing room distraction. Yet last season they were probably level with Coutinho for player of the season. Klopp likes rough diamonds with a point to prove. So we really should stop moaning and let him get on with it!

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24 Jun 2017 21:23:44
I'm surprised Ox being looked at for centre mid, but he's definitely streets ahead of Stewart, Stewart offers nothing going forward. Though Klopp seemed to like him, I think he called him the best tackler at the club.

Shame about Keita, fella looks the real deal.

Ox would give us the option of a further wide player, and considering we sold Ibe for 15m, if the ox was available for 20/ 25 that wouldn't be a bad bit of business imo.

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24 Jun 2017 21:44:34
If we do get Ox i think there will be a few suprised on here. I think what Klopp is looking for is pace in the side, with Mane Salah and Ox we have 3 options who all can play either left or right and all have amazing pace to break teams down. Ox may even be an option for a wing back if we go to 3 at the back, which is my thinking of the way we will play next season (hence trying for VVD) .

I for one hope we do get him,

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24 Jun 2017 22:00:07
Thing is that Ox isn't and never has been a centre midfielder! He's simply not up to it, it was obvious against Scotland and even more so against France that he isn't. He chased shadows and looked like he didn't have a clue with the ball at his feet, you cannot coach intelligence, it's either there or it's not.

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24 Jun 2017 21:37:23
Jesus ed im sorry your info has attracted so much abuse to us so called fans. I for one am happy if we get him.

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24 Jun 2017 21:54:04
Ox is poor in every position he plays and is severely injury prone, end of. He is a jack of all trade and master of none who lacks intelligence or any technical ability. He is a good athlete, which is code for, "he is crap at football itself" cos a good athletedoes not make a good footballer.

That said, if Klopp wants him then I will differ to him as this is his baby but those trying to sell us the Ox as some kind of good player need to stop cos they are failing miserable at it.

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24 Jun 2017 22:22:58
I agree with MK, the Ox is a good player and will surprise many played in a midfield 3 - however, he is a HUGE step down from Keita, who looks like a world talent. Who knows, it might turn out to be reversed.
What worries me is that I do not, (or rather, wouldn't want) to see the Ox as a regular starter. I like what Gini offers to the table. He would be a perfect understudy for Lallana though, since Adam would at some point start to lose his stamina and dynamism. but would he be happy with that?

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24 Jun 2017 22:32:38
'Will surprise many in a midfield three'? Like he did against Scotland and France? Or the humpings that Arsenal got when he played there for them? He was all at sea in those games, and looked like didn't know what to do. And why? He simply doesn't have the brains to play there so doesn't know where to be at the right time. He's a very average winger on a par with Andros Townsend, nothing more than that.

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24 Jun 2017 22:34:06
Also agree with mk. So many people were asking where does Gini fit it in and say how he is nowhere near good enough. Last season he was almost ever present and was a key player for us. The I'd could do the same.

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24 Jun 2017 22:38:16
£30m apparently. Far too much for someone of such limited ability.

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24 Jun 2017 22:39:39
This it a bit like an old western movie where the Indians say the white man speaks with two tongues, out of one side of the mouth people say they "trust Klopp and he is the best manager" blah blah blah, out of the other they say "what is he doing this player is no good, that player is no good, what is he thinking". BEFORE A PLAYER IS SIGNED!
Either you trust Klopp or you don't. #hesnotlisteninganyway.

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24 Jun 2017 22:46:35
Embarrassing we are berating a player for being linked with us. Agree with MK on Wijnaldum and mane being frowned upon and look how that turned out. I don't think ox is anywhere near as bad as he's being made to be above, plus even if I did I would support he managers decision him to get the best out of him. I was ready to say bye bye to lallana before Klopp came in now he's one of our best players.

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24 Jun 2017 22:51:08
I was one of those who was doubtful about Wijnaldum, and Klopp basically took skills that he saw in him and put them to far better use for the tactical structure he wanted the team to play in. And it worked. Klopp took a supposedly lazy midfielder with a powerful long shot and turned him into a multi-faceted player who plays with far more skills, in many ways, than he ever did at Newcastle.

So why can't it happen with Oxlade-Chamberlain? Klopp has a plan. Trust the man and trust the plan!

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24 Jun 2017 23:26:03
Firstly, the Ox is young and English and will still have a lot of sell on value if it comes to that in a few years time. If we do manage to get him for 25M or so, that's actually at a cut price as he only has 1 year left on his contract. Secondly, he can play in CM or on the wing which will be a massive bonus when the afcon comes around, aswell as our fixture schedule looking a lot more congested this year with the CL games. Lastly, we need a top class squad to compete with the likes of Chelsea for the prem, which is ultimately klopps goal. Forget the other cups, the prem is the most important. Players like stewart can't even be mentioned in the same breathe as the ox. The ox has played at the highest level against the highest teams in the world and they're both the same age. I agree he's not in the same league as Keita, but i still think its a total no brainer for us to buy him, we'll have genuine options next year and players on the bench that can actually effect games.

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24 Jun 2017 23:34:36
Is there a better way to throw £25m away?

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24 Jun 2017 23:51:01
Have some faith in Klopp, we had the same doubts about Gini and Mane, and nobody mentions their transfer fee anymore, if Klopp thinks he can improve a player then there must be reason for it, he's not English and does not give a carp about 'English talent', your man is looking to add players he think will improve our team regardless of where they come from, and he hasn't given us a reason to doubt him so far.

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25 Jun 2017 00:10:10
First Milner is a better full back than Alves. Now Stewart is better than the ox. Silly season.

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25 Jun 2017 01:25:22
I cannot understand the negativity around ox. Seems like he's been about forever. Regular for england and arsenal for 5/ 6 years. That's not the career of a journeyman. I agree with the post that said he may surprise many fans. I'm excited by the interest and eager for it to happen. Another talented, attacking player heading for liverpool.

Agree3 1Disagree

25 Jun 2017 01:56:12
Gini and Mane were both starters and in Manes case considered one of their best players in the team. 25 million seems ridiculous for a squad player in his last year.

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25 Jun 2017 02:24:23
Jonny.

9 goals in 129 apperances. from a winger.

3 bad knee injuries.

Atleast 6 weeks out every season.

Got no actual position.

Average wherever he plays.

Cant play cm.

Abd how in any way is he next after keita. How. How does that happen.

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25 Jun 2017 02:31:49
What say you, Ed1, what's your view of The Ox?

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{Ed001's Note - I have given my opinion a number of times, there is no point just repeating myself mate. He is not my choice but Klopp likes him.}

25 Jun 2017 08:21:28
My initial reaction is fairly underwhelmed by the suggestion that Ox might join Liverpool. However.
I'm old enough to remember Shank's signing of Ray Kennedy from Arsenal. That didn't make much sense to any of us either. A complete waste of 200,000 on an aging striker, we thought.
That turned out pretty well though.
Maybe some of us don't know as much as we think we do.

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25 Jun 2017 08:48:08
Ed001 summed it up quite nicely actually.

"{Ed001's Note - I like Salah, he is lightning, maybe even quicker than Mane, plus he is excellent technically. If he can settle in ok and build a partnership with the other players, he will be an excellent signing.

I do not see any reason to think the same of Oxlade-Chamberlain. He is big and strong, but lacks intelligence, which is why he has yet to play well (when I have watched him) when he starts. Like most that lack intelligence, he does his best work when used as an impact sub. Technically I remain to be convinced he is that good, he is all about physical over technical for me. That is not even mentioning the injury problem. }"

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25 Jun 2017 08:50:16
Difference was that Ray Kennedy was a very clever and intelligent footballer. You can't accuse Ox of being either of those.

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25 Jun 2017 09:05:09
I have liked the Ox as a player for a while and think he could do a job for us if we sign him. Klopp must have something in mind for him, so will wait and see. Though, my personal opinion is he is a luxury and not something we need, I would like us to sign a midfield enforcer (tough in the tackle), a CB and LB. But there is a reason I am not the manager and Klopp is, I trust Klopp to get it right.

SA.

Agree1 2Disagree

25 Jun 2017 09:10:31
Ox is a good player but not great. When it was first announced that he was going to be available Klopp said he was not interested so I do not expect Ox to arrive at LFC.

Agree1 3Disagree

25 Jun 2017 09:16:53
Do you still need a certain number of English players or players who have played in England for s certain amount of time for a champions league squad? Is this possibly the thinking with the Ox?

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25 Jun 2017 10:51:51
Ox and VVD. 90m wasted if we get both. Just go all out for Mendy and prepare for next season.

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25 Jun 2017 11:02:43
The Ox is just not good enough to be a starter for Liverpool. That being said if we can get him for £20m then I would be happy as he would add good squad dept. But you should not be spending £30m on squad dept.

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25 Jun 2017 11:12:26
Brussels red you say people need to stop saying he's a good player, yet you're allowed to say he's a bad player? It's called an opinion and I for one would much rather side with Klopp at this point, seeing his track record, than sit here and proclaim a player isn't good enough for a shirt he's yet to wear. Wenger has struggled to develop players the way he used to, regardless of how Ox has played I think there's a strong argument that Klopp could improve him significantly. Do I personally think there's better midfield options, yes. But this constant 'I'm right you're wrong' from people on here is getting a little draining!

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25 Jun 2017 11:18:25
Better off ignoring people like Brussels, TIA. Been here for years now and you see his kind all the time, but they only last a few months. Some people just cannot respect the opinions of others and attack them instead of their argument. He'll go after Ed002 eventually and get banned 😂.

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25 Jun 2017 13:19:53
I think Ox is a decent player. I also think he'd surprise a lot of doubters if he did come. I think when it comes to signings most of Klopps have been successful and we just have to trust him on this one too.

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24 Jun 2017 18:57:10
Hi Eds.

All has gone quiet on the Sahko situation.

Is there any news if him moving on?

Even as part exchange?

Believable0 1Unbelievable

{Ed001's Note - nothing, with the injury he suffered at the end of the season, I doubt there will be much interest in him this summer unless he can prove himself fit in preseason.}

24 Jun 2017 18:42:23
Eds, hearing a lot of talk of about a move for Aubamayeng. Having scrolled through these posts, i haven't seen it addressed. Is there interest from Liverpool and could a deal happen? 63 million is a steal, even at his age.

Believable1 3Unbelievable

{Ed001's Note - it has been addressed repeatedly, not happening, he and Klopp did not have the best of working relationships.}

24 Jun 2017 21:55:53
63m a steal for a 28 year old with a at times poor attitude? Thank Heavens, you don't run the finances and transfers at the club cos we would be Portsmouth right now.

Agree3 3Disagree

25 Jun 2017 00:56:27
Ed01 -

Why is it most of the players who worked with Klopp don't fancy playing for him again?

1 Auba
2. Micky

In fact all top Dortmund players left to play for Bayern Munich.

any specific reason?

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{Ed001's Note - so that is two out of tens of players and you call that most? Two troublemakers as well. Most love him, just ask Hummels, who has done a number of interviews about how much he loves Klopp and loved working with him.

Top Dortmund players left for Bayern because Dortmund had little money and Bayern had lots. It is a bit like asking why so many Saints players left for us.}

25 Jun 2017 13:32:36
Brussels Red, I'll respectfully disagree with you here, thanks for your overstated opinion. A 40 goal per season striker is comfortably worth that money in today's market, even at 28. I've not seen evidence of an attitude problem either. Interesting to know he doesn't get on with Klopp, however this doesn't constitute poor attitude. Thanks for the info Ed1.

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24 Jun 2017 16:41:29
Any transfer update on Sadar Azmoun to Liverpool? I believe that he will soon become hot property.

Believable2 7Unbelievable

24 Jun 2017 18:31:03
He does not want to come to us. He knows his stock is rising and wants to veer a move towards United.

Agree3 1Disagree

24 Jun 2017 19:09:20
Thankfully not. He is not that good player and I don't think he is any better than any of our forwards.

Agree4 0Disagree

24 Jun 2017 21:56:38
Good luck with that, Azmoun. You're going to need it.

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24 Jun 2017 16:41:28
Any truth in the rumours Swansea have offered 13m for Moreno?

Believable7 0Unbelievable

24 Jun 2017 18:36:19
Pray it's true.

Agree8 1Disagree

24 Jun 2017 19:57:02
£13. Take it. Seriously didn't expect anything to happen as he is always awful, but two bids now. Hope it's a fresh starting for him. He certainly tried but just wasn't good enough for us, elsewhere maybe.

Agree3 1Disagree

24 Jun 2017 14:59:59
Any news on a left back, I saw something about cresswell the other day don't think he would be a bad signing, especially if he wants to go Russia playing for liverpool would give him a better opportunity to do that. Not so sure of the guy from napoli if they want moreno 🙈.

Believable0 4Unbelievable

24 Jun 2017 15:23:25
Cresswell is bang average. Half the West Ham population want him gone, and there was much ridicule over him getting a call up from his own supporters. Not an improvement on Moreno at all. Think we will end up with Ghoulam coz he refused to sign a new contract with Napoli and they want Moreno as a replacement now than lose Ghoulam for free.

Agree6 6Disagree

24 Jun 2017 15:32:53
It's been argued that Gloulam possesses the same faults as Moreno, plus goes to AFCON2019. It would be a rookie move on our part, unless another LB comes in before 18/ 19 season.

Agree3 3Disagree

24 Jun 2017 16:03:46
Hello i would thought 15mill or less for kieran gibbs of arsenal would not be a bad buy . any.

Agree2 14Disagree

24 Jun 2017 16:40:04
Gibbs? He's worse than Moreno!

Agree12 3Disagree

24 Jun 2017 16:44:30
Not the AFCON issue again please! It's every 2 years for a couple weeks! So I'm guessing you don't want Keira either?

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24 Jun 2017 16:59:26
Keita not Keira! Blimey! Keira and Sarah would of made a lovely pair! Haha!

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24 Jun 2017 18:53:07
Gibbs is far better than Moreno.

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{Ed001's Note - not sure about that personally. Gibbs is also fragile to the Nth degree. All the moaning about Studger would be doubled about him. He can't defend, poor going forward and is lightweight. Not sure why anyone would want him.}

24 Jun 2017 19:11:43
The AFCON does become an issue if 4 of your first team players leave though. This is assuming both Ghoulam and Keita comes in.

Ghoulam was pretty good the season before last, but whenever I saw him last season, he struggled and it was the other full back Hysaj who impressed me.

Agree4 0Disagree

24 Jun 2017 19:13:46
Gibbs better than Moreno is the funniest thing I've read today, I concur with Ed001's comment!

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24 Jun 2017 19:47:56
got to agree with The Real AG, look how we fell apart when Mane went off to the AFCON, now imagine another 3 or 4 other first teamers leaving too,
and its def not for a couple of weeks!

Agree1 2Disagree

24 Jun 2017 20:57:13
This years AFCON was 14th January to the 5th of February.

We had more than just Mane missing during this period. Matip was out, I'm fairly sure lovren missed a couple games, as well as injuries to lallana and couts and a couple others if I remember correctly (not sure though, it's not what it used to be! Lol) .

This is why klopp is trying to add players like ox who are value for money for the experience they already have and can fill multiple gaps and push the starters for their place but people on here seem to only want players that will go straight in and start week in week out.

And more to the point there are another 2 transfer windows after this one to add players before the next AFCON!

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24 Jun 2017 22:00:51
Gibbs is not even worth commenting on as he is that poor. I would take Ghoulam over Robertson any day provided his defending can be worked on cos I think it can cos unlike Moreno, Ghoulam is coachable and much better going forward (10 assists last season) than Moreno.

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25 Jun 2017 09:12:42
Gibbs seems to be a bit fragile but there is absolutely no doubt that he is a better footballer than Moreno. But it is all irellavent as neither are good enough for LFC.

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{Ed001's Note - there is a lot of doubt that he is a better footballer. Technically, physically there is almost no doubt that he is worse, by a long way, than Moreno. The only advantage he has, being as he is lazy, is that he does not chase back and lunge into wild challenges. However I would rather have the better player that actually tries, than a 'can't be arsed' type like Gibbs.}

25 Jun 2017 11:27:53
Creg, yes of course I still want Keita. That's a completely different scenario. Which was why I said 'unless we sign another LB before then'. My point was he's got the same problems as Moreno, PLUS the fact he goes AFCON. Keita is a world beater, and for those 3 weeks he goes AFCON we would have capable replacements in GiGi, lallana, Can etc. I doubt Milner will be still pushing at leftback in 2019. So my point stands, id rather not replace a player not deemed good enough (Moreno) with a player who has the same faults, PLUS the fact he goes AFCON. As we would only need to find another player before that season anyway.

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