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18 Nov 2017 00:22:37
We have decided to change the Teams page to be the Liverpool Match Posts page, so look for posts talking about the latest Liverpool match there.

But most of the posts still go to the Liverpool Banter page.

18 Nov 2017 00:22:37
Also more posts are being added to the Liverpool Other Posts page.

17 Nov 2017 22:16:30
Just got to listen to the new sharkopod, great stuff ed002.

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{Ed002's Note - enjoy. Sorry about the sound quality.}

17 Nov 2017 22:11:11
Eds, any news on Cans contract? I saw a report that he's willing to sign if wages are met? I hope he stays, I think him and keita could form a long term partnership and with our attack, if we sort out our defense I think we could be real contenders!

On a side note. Since it's nearly impossible to use the search function for "can" can we all agree to use Ecan or some other name when referring to can?

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{Ed002's Note - it remains as was - he wants out unless Liverpool sign up to x and y. Can’s name is pounouncec Chuun. Maybe that would work. Or replace him with Goretzka.}

17 Nov 2017 19:33:17
Hi Eds,
genuine question about Pipco I'm afraid! But I'm not sure if I've seen you address this angle.

With the Coutinho issue seemingly toxic, what was the reasoning behind the club keeping him and turning down the summer offers.
Was it the fact that they didn't have a replacement but now Salah has performed better than expected and he's not such a big miss?
Is it because the club don'd like the optics of being seen as a selling club?
Did they fear a fan mutiny?
Someone in particular vetoed the deal?
Did they think (as all us fans would) that he would just get on with it?
Or is it something else or a mix of a few things.

I do appreciate these things are complex and that the landscape is constantly changing and there's a lot of pressure to do deals.

We can say with the benefit of hindsight it looks like the deal should have been done then. you always hear the football truism that there's no point keeping a player at a club once they have their heart set on a move elsewhere.
So just curious, why did dig our heels in so hard?
In the case of Coutinho and perhaps VVD it seems to have panned out that way.
The club is left with a disruptive player and probably will get a lower fee than was possible in the summer. and they probably end up there anyway!
So what did they think was going to happen?
Apologies if this seems besides the point or a bit dim. it all just seems like a bit of a farce from where I'm standing. wasted energy.

Cheers for all the top work keeping us informed.
YNWA.

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{Ed002's Note - i can’t really answer the reasons why but Liverpool are one of the clubs that embroil themselves in drawn out transfers. Other clubs work the not happy > decent bid > gone paradigm. It works for them. Being stuck with players not 100% committed is not neat.}

17 Nov 2017 13:53:47
Afternoon ed2, I have a question re the players mentioned in the sharks pod if you don't mind?
Would it be safe to assume that if no more than Can and Coutinho leave (and we do end up with Gomes) we're only going to sign one of Meyer, Lamar, Brandt and Draxler (assuming we manage to get any of them)?

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{Ed002's Note - I can’t make assumptions like that. Liverpool will look to get rid of Markovic in January for reasons I explained.}

17 Nov 2017 21:58:51
OK, thanks for answering Ed.

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16 Nov 2017 17:37:04
Ronaldinho the current person to promote the Pipco to Barcelona move.

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16 Nov 2017 23:48:01
Looking forward to ed001's legends article on Ronaldinho. My favourite player. Just watched a video of him doing 50 keep-ups blindfolded, including a backheel! Also of him chasing after a pitch invader to give him a hug. Made my day that.

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{Ed007's Note - I think Ronaldinho is often overlooked when the best players of all time discussions come up.
If you're messing about on youtube look up Nakamura bus....

17 Nov 2017 01:04:37
For about 3-4 years in the mid 2000’s Ronaldinho was absolutely magnificent, easily the best player in the world at the time. One of my favourite players ever and just as much talent as anyone I have ever seen play the game.

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{Ed001's Note - shame he thought partying was more important than training. A bit of effort and he would have stayed at the top instead of fading away.}

17 Nov 2017 03:41:34
The happy pills was it? No wonder he was always smiling.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know about that, he just was up until all hours in clubs, flying back to Brazil during the season to go to fiestas, and so skipped a lot of training sessions. He was not a good trainer at all, he just wanted to mess around.}

17 Nov 2017 11:00:48
He won everything there was to win, is regarded as one of the all time greats, and did it all without training hard, partying and having fun.
What a life he has lead. I won't knock him for any of it.

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17 Nov 2017 13:57:01
That is an amazing way to look at it benny. Was already a huge fan of him but when you put it like that- he's just hit legendary status for me.

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{Ed001's Note - except he could have won a lot more and stayed at Barca for another 5 years and actually made an argument for being one of the best instead he partied and faded early.}

17 Nov 2017 15:16:45
Yeah aoe I’m not sure that is what makes him a legend. Seems like a waste of God-given talent to me.

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17 Nov 2017 15:32:42
Perhaps it was the having fun that made him so good. Look at the England squad- no fun there! I love how he’d throw a shape, a dance move, wait to see how his defender would react, then exploit the weakness, like in capoeira. He made it like a martial art, with a ball. Shame that he didn’t train. What would we have been treated to then? Same as original Ronaldo I think you said once Ed001?

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{Ed001's Note - it would have been interesting to see, would he have blocked Messi's development?}

17 Nov 2017 16:19:17
He's just a different type of legend.

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17 Nov 2017 16:39:03
My favorite player too. For me he is up there with Messi and Ronaldo.

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17 Nov 2017 16:55:12
Messi and Ronaldo showed commitment to their craft for the vast majority of their careers. Their first thought was improving themselves every single day, to focus on getting better and better.

Ronaldinho is not in the same category as those two. He spent most of his time partying, missed training sessions and believed all the hype generated by the media. It went to his head and, just when it looked like he could be mentioned in the same breath of the best footballers to ever exist, he ruined everything. The man put on so much weight, focused on showing off to the crowd rather than play for the team. He was a hindrance in the end and, thankfully, was removed before it could effect Messi's development.

Ronaldinho is not a world class player, in my opinion, to be world class you need to maintain your best. Ronaldinho disrespected his profession by not commiting and, as a result, he should not be considered anywhere near world class.

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17 Nov 2017 17:13:03
Totally agree mango. I think the point was that he enjoyed himself and likely doesn't regret too much. I think that's what benny was alluding to.

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{Ed001's Note - I doubt it, I am sure he regrets not winning more trophies. You can enjoy yourself and work hard, plenty have done in the past.}

17 Nov 2017 23:13:27
Like Gazza and George Best, great players who's genius was all natural.

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17 Nov 2017 23:13:27
Like Gazza and George Best, great players who's genius was all natural.

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16 Nov 2017 17:35:17
Afternoon all, welcome new Ed333.

Wolfsburg on keep on a permanent deal for Divock - quote from there chief -

"We'd act negligently not to try, " he told Kicker. "We are proud that we were able to convince Divock to come here. "He feels good here, and we are working on the rest. "

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16 Nov 2017 19:08:48
Honestly think its the best move for the lad. He needs to be starting week in week out, but having competition to lose that place all the while. Wolfsburg is a good club too. A lot can happen between now and next summer though.

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17 Nov 2017 16:38:23
Maybe a buy back clause inserted. Even though that is very rare by English clubs.

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15 Nov 2017 12:49:11
I know this has been done over and over, but since there was a story out there today I thought I’d ask in case there is a change in circumstance. It’s reported that Can will sign a new deal if we meet his wage demands.
Any eds heard anything on that, perhaps since getting more game time he’s thinking he might be ok with us, or has Klopp sat him down and told him he does rate him etc?

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{Ed001's Note - it is nothing to do with money, the story is complete nonsense.}

15 Nov 2017 14:08:12
This is just the media trying to destabilise a player with some controversy as per usual, to sell a story.

What better to generate euphoria and turn the fans against Can, than to suggest he is holding the club to ransom?

Parasites.

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15 Nov 2017 21:58:03
Maybe it is Coutinho’s agent trying to turn the fans against someone else to stop the attacks in PC.

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15 Nov 2017 22:24:21
Thanks Ed, I know you’ve always said it wasn’t about the money.

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16 Nov 2017 20:30:41
Hi Eds,

I know its said that he wants playing time (which he now seems to be getting, but may bot be convinced with keita coning in) and the Release Clause, but what does the player get out of having a release clause? If he is happy (which he claims he is) playing at Liverpool. What does a release clause give him? Does he just want a huge bid to come in for him to boost his confidence?

Sorry if i've got any of the above wrong. i've tried to stay away from these conversations because im one who is gutted he is leaving.

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{Ed002's Note - The release clause would have to be a termination clause and would need to be low to help the player get out should an offer arrive from a suitable club.}

14 Nov 2017 18:56:24
Could the eds answer if we have any interest in free agents next summer, de vrij, gimenez or arrizabala. Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - As I have explained on a number of occasions Liverpool has an interest in De Vrij.}

14 Nov 2017 19:21:07
Thanks for the quick reply would be a dream to pull of them the and goretzka on a free. Any one of them would be good.

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15 Nov 2017 06:46:51
Hasn't de vrij signed a new contract?

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{Ed002's Note - It does not mean he won't be available. There is a fixed fee termination clause included.}

15 Nov 2017 08:19:17
And let's do it the right way for a change ask how much and pay up no feckin about.

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15 Nov 2017 18:11:39
Gimenez of atletico and Goretzka of schalke are also being looked at for a free transfers.

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13 Nov 2017 10:20:20
Hi eds

You said a while back that Goretzka is of no interest and that Barcelona ir Juve is a more likely destination. Can I ask is that still the case please as the appears to be lots of talks on here suggesting we are after him and also with the player saying he would like to move to England?

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{Ed002's Note - What I would have said is that Liverpool has not approached Schalke which is correct (or at least was last time I asked). Leon Goretzka was of interest to Southampton in 2016 but Schalke said they had intention of selling in the short-term but as he has been reluctant to listen to offers of a new contract they are accepting he will leave at the end of his contract. Juventus still maintain their interest from the summer and MIlan are looking to making a second cash offer to take him in January - the first being rebuffed by Schalke who told them he would stay until the summer as they don't have a replacement. Barcelona are also interested in Leon Goretzka - but the player wants assurances over game time. Arsenal are interested but he is not first choice for them. Spurs, Inter, Manchester City and Bayern Munich have all looked at Goretzka as a possible option with Bayern Munich making it known that they would offer a guarantee but they cannot speak to him in January - although they will continue to make their position clear to his agent. A move to any of these sides seems less likely right now. Liverpool considered Goretzka when they were struggling to reach agreement over Nobby Keita but I am not aware, as everyone seems to be suggesting, that they have already agreed a January transfer with Schalke. His representative has recently met with Manchester United and another English side.}

13 Nov 2017 11:36:28
HI Ed002,

Firstly thank you for your response in regards to the above.

What are the legalities surrounding a club letting a player know that if he were to wait until the summer to sign for them that he would be a starter (i. e. as Bayern have done) . Is there not a risk that this could upset Schalke and potentially be deemed as some form of tapping up by some?

Many thanks for your time in advance

Red Sandman.

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{Ed002's Note - Bayern cannot talk directly to the player and they have not done that. They have spoken with his representative. That is just fine.}

13 Nov 2017 11:48:45
Cheers for your detailed reply ed really appreciate it mate, that's clear enough for me.

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13 Nov 2017 13:47:59
I really don't get this if true.

Goretzka is quality and I'd love to see him at Liverpool, but he is pretty much a slightly taller version of Emre Can. Can is probably more creative and better defensively, but Goretzka is a better goal scorer by far.

If Klopp is willing to have a slightly less mobile midfielder, I'd rather he just reassures Can of his place in the team long term, than make a change for changes sake. Goretzka might hate England and want to leave in a year.

Weird one in my opinion. I really rate Goretzka and Can. They both remind me of Gerrard at a similar age with their powerful running, tall frames, and ability to score all kinds of goals.

The only explanation i can think of is that Klopp has rethought what he wants from his midfield, but Emre Can has already got his heart set on moving 🤔 that would explain why we'd replace him with a similar player. Either that, or Can just doesn't score enough goals in Klopp's opinion, as Goretzka scores double what Can does.

Could just be nonsense though i guess!

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{Ed002's Note - Can doesn't want to play for Liverpool - he wants to leave.}

13 Nov 2017 14:04:18
That would explain it Ed. If Can has now gotten to a stage where he just wants to leave, and Klopp has decided he regrets phasing him out last season. Can has played far more this year than he did last year.

If that is the case, Goretzka would be an ideal replacement i guess. Though I'm still sceptical that we're actually interested.

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation as I understand it - I am not aware that Liverpool has completed the transfer for him to join in January. Goretzka was certainly looked at as an alternative to Keita.}

13 Nov 2017 14:33:00
Cheers Ed. I'd rather Goretzka than Andre Gomes! The media are no doubt getting way ahead of themselves as usual though. I am not paying any attention to rumours the deal is done. Until you of 001 says we're interested, then it's just a rumour as far as I'm concerned.

By the way, since you told us that Andre Gomes will be offered for Coutinho, loads of places have reported it 😂 you're an anonymous internet sensation!

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{Ed002's Note - They have a number of players available for both January and the Summer MK.}

13 Nov 2017 15:05:27
I would assume that is; L. Suarez, Mascherano, Gomes, Rafinha, Rakitic, D. Suarez, Vermaelen etc.

In your personal opinion Ed002, do you think there are any players Barcelona could realistically include in a deal that would represent good business for Liverpool, and who are they? Cheers in advance and no worries if you would rather not say.

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{Ed002's Note - None of them represent good business unless Liverpool has an interest in them. Klopp seems to like Rafinha although they are talking to another side about him already.}

13 Nov 2017 15:31:33
Hi ed, as juve have signed matuidi and of can goes there, would they still look to goretzka?
Always trust what you say ed, but I would love to see him in a Liverpool shirt!

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{Ed002's Note - Can and Goretzka are very different players and Juventus see Can playing in a defensive midfield role where they are light. Where they are not short is in the more central midfield position and they have Matuidi and several others, including Khedira Marchisio and Sturaro. Kwadwo Asamoah will leave in the summer and perhaps one other. They are still interested in Goretzka but are certain not convinced he will sign. But it is unrelated to Emre Can.}

13 Nov 2017 15:35:45
Cheers Ed.

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13 Nov 2017 16:28:34
Firmane, Can and Goretzka can and have easily played together.

Can is slightly more defensive, and also the better passer, whereas Goretzka is better in air and a better shooter.

They are similar in terms of physique, mobility and style of play. Both players like to pick up the ball and drive forward (more with power than skill) . Can tends to start from deeper though and at the end of his runs he usually looks for a pass whereas Goretzka would have an eye on the goal every time.

Both great players. Similar in some ways, but as Ed002 suggested, very different capabilities. Germany won the Confederations Cup with them both playing alongside each other in midfield. So Juventus wouldn't hesitate to sign them both, I'm sure. Hopefully we end up with one of them in red next season; whichever it is! Neither really thrive when it comes to pressing, but perhaps Klopp now realises that not every midfield player has to just run around like a headless chicken!

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13 Nov 2017 16:58:19
Mk I wasn't questioning whether they can play together, just thought juve had a few cms already, as we mentioned plus pjanic and wondered if it would be one or the other, but as we says they are not related.

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13 Nov 2017 17:26:57
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14 Nov 2017 17:15:25
Completely agree with Ed that none of L. Suarez, Mascherano, Gomes, Rafinha, Rakitic, D. Suarez, Vermaelen or Turan are good business, either because they’re not good enough (Rafinha, Gomes, D. Suarez) or because they’re past their prime and would be a liability on the pitch (Rakitic, Mascherano, Turan, Vermaelen) or a complete lunatic and a liability on the pitch (L. Suarez) . A big sack of cash or no deal for Coutinho.

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{Ed002's Note - Coutinho wants to go, it is a case of negotiating the best deal - this "big pile of cash or no deal" will leave Liverpool screwed if they have such ideas as well.}

13 Nov 2017 09:05:51
What is happening with Markovic Ed's? Anyone interested?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will look to sell him to Fenerbahce in January or he will look to walk away in the summer after invoking a clause in FIFA regulations allowing him to resume his career.}

13 Nov 2017 09:32:07
I can't believe he's still here now to be honest, bad for his career not to mention for us financially.

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13 Nov 2017 10:00:00
Thanks mate! I hope we do him a favor in January. The lad must go.

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13 Nov 2017 10:00:00
Thanks mate! I hope we do him a favor in January. The lad must go.

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13 Nov 2017 19:00:35
Hi Ed002. Interesting comment on Markovic invoking a FIFA clause. A little digging and can I assume this relates to article 15 (Sporting cause) because of appearing in less than 10% of eligible games? Has this ever happened before cus it’s he first I heard of it?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, that is what I was referring to. It has been invoked on a few occasions but the DRC are not required to publish the results of the hearings publicly.}


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