19 Jul 2016 15:59:19
Ed2 what's the latest regarding Wijnaldum mate? Are we pushing for a deal?

{Ed002's Note - Wijnaldum is a player that Klopp has decided he wants and the club know the asking price.}

1.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 17:07:15
Cheers thanks.

2.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 17:44:13
Only Newcastle could have a player that was total flop and want to double their money.

3.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 17:47:22
Lord help us.

4.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 18:05:09
Fearless, no way he was a total flop last season, a bit inconsistent but turned some very good performances in.

5.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 18:10:11
I think we should walk away from this.

6.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 18:20:51
A bit inconsistent! He went missing the second half of the season. Newcastle fans used to play "Where's Wijnaldum". He was that bad he was nearly relegated to the reserves. Believe me when I say the Newcastle fans won't miss him and will be laughing all the way to the bank if anyone pays over £20mil.

7.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 18:35:36
I think Wijnaldum would add something to the team, definitely. £20million is a bit steep but when you consider we somehow managed to get £15million for Ibe, it balances it out a bit. I don't think Newcastle fans can blame their season on him being inconsistant.

8.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 18:39:19
Let me suggest a mantra here: Klopp can do no wrong.

9.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 18:43:10
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he score 11 goals last season in the prem for Newcastle? Not bad for going missing. Especially when the messiah Coutinho scored 8. People are too quick to write players off nowadays.

10.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 18:57:26
Amazing how many people are writing him off yet klopp wants him .

11.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 19:03:58
I agree with Leekuanyew, Klopp can do no wrong. 😃.

12.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 19:07:46
Yes he did score 11 goals but not in the second half of the season when he went missing, when it counted, when it was revealed what he really was, a lazy couldn't care less waste of space who was happy to get paid and couldn't give a stuff if Newcastle got relegated.

13.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 19:08:55
God the crap people say on this site. Now i know why the eds get so p****d off with some people. Yeah he might not be the right player we need, but if its the guy Klopp wants then let's trust put our trust in him. On 1 hand people are sayin 'trust in klopp' and then once he signs someone its a different matter. Come on lads he hasn't even signed or put on that magic shirt yet. What happened to that spirit, what happened to 'trust in klopp he's the right man for the job' and most of all what happened to YNWA?

14.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 19:12:32
Some players just don't work at certain clubs. Wijnaldum didn't work at Newcastle. It's not an excuse for his attitude but McClaren probably sold his project at Newcastle as a hopeful charge at European football. If you signed under that pretence and then found yourself staring at almost certain relegation by Christmas, then saw the lack of ambition from the owner, manager and club to sign average players like Shelvey and Townsend. I mean Jesus, Newcastle were enough last season to make half their fans give up On any hope of survival by January.

Fact is, Wijnaldum has real talent and he proved that in his first few months at Newcastle and his entire career prior to that in Holland. To write him off based on half a season in which he lacked effort in a team where nobody was trying is ridiculous. That whole club is an absolute shambles. I have every faith Rafa will turn it around, but whilst I don't condone the attitude shown by the players, I do understand it to some extent.

A terrible owner, a terrible manager, a fan base that has given up, and team mates with no real quality. I'd rather judge him on his time at PSV than that shambolic excuse of a football club. A player who is used to competing for trophies wasn't prepared to get his hands dirty in a relegation battle. Shows he is a bit of a prima donna, but it doesn't mean he is a bad player or that he'd be like that here. Hopefully we could compete for trophies and bring out the winning mentality inside him.

Some brilliant players have completely and inexplicably failed at certain clubs and under certain managers. Look at Drinkwater and Pogba. Not good enough for United but Ferguson got the best out of Cleverley! Rafa didn't rate Alonso as highly as Gareth Barry. So just because he wants rid of Wijnaldum doesn't mean anything really. When Payet was sold the fans of Marseille were glad to be shot of him, so who cares if Newcastle fans are glad to be shot of Wijnaldum?

If Klopp thinks that he can get the best out of Wijnaldum, then let's give him a chance to prove us all wrong. If it goes horribly wrong you can all say "I told you so".

15.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 19:18:32
Chee 6 of those 11 goals came in matches that didn't matter.

16.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 19:24:59
MK basically what i tried to say in a nutshell too much jumpin the gun from so called SUPPORTERS.

17.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 19:45:37
Difference between Payet and Wijnaldum is that Payet had some discernible talent. Wijnaldum couldn't be bothered to do what he was paid for and wasn't that good in a weak Dutch league, do you think he would have ended up at Newcastle if he had played well. If we spend what Newcastle are asking for him that would be as bad as Balotelli, Benteke and Carroll.

18.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 19:47:52
MK I will admit being wrong in future if he turns out a success but, right now, I am convinced he is a bad signing and one that will be put in the expensive failures category- a category we have filled far too frequently in recent times. The fact Newcastle weren't doing better is not an excuse for him playing poorly, it reflects badly on his play and his attitude. Even for a reasonable price I'd be unhappy - but £20million? Come on that is ludicrous. Save it, buy someone better, or even use it to pay the extra money to get the Chilwell deal over the line! This, if it happens, will go down as another transfer failure to add to the huge list of transfer failures out club has been a part of recently. We have no acumen when it comes to acquiring players and honestly, while that is the case, we will never reach the top.

As for Klopp doing no wrong? Caulker is a perfect example of this not being the case. So is a 5 year contract for Mignolet. He is fallable and this transfer would be a huge mistake in my opinion.

19.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 19:59:11
"He was that bad he was nearly relegated to the reserves. " Just because you don't like him doesn't mean you should chat nonsense.
He was dropped from the starting XI for 2 games, against us and City, and that was so they could put out an XI of workers to try ground out results. He actually played all of the 2nd half against us too helping them rescue a point. He started the 36 other premier league games, so you obviously don't know what you're chatting about.

FranklyMrShankly
I'm not sure how you've decided that a game against relegation rivals doesn't matter, infact they're probably some of the most important games of the season for teams fighting relegation.
Sure why don't we discount all of Suarez's goals against Norwich because them matches must not have mattered either. Only got 57 goals for us then.
Every game in the premier league is important, to say anything else is just absolutely ridiculous.

20.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 20:01:25
Red til dead. see why the eds get p***ed? They are more against us signing him than anyone on here. And more than likely the reason so many have such a bad opinion of him.

21.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 20:14:02
MK, making excuses and blaming every other person and his dog for Wijnaldum`s poor shortcomings and trying to draw paralells that make no sense, will not change the facts as we know them to be. He was poor and wasn`t bothered to even work hard to help a team that really needed him to step up regardless of circumstances. mike Ashley is not the reason he didn`t score in 30 od games after scoring 11 in 7 of which 4 were in one game vs relegation fodder. If` he`s that good, why is Newcastle desperate to get rid? Why did he get benched by Rafa for not working hard enuff and pressing high during games? Care to answer that, MK? He is poor, lacks bottle, no desire and very inconsistent, everything we give Benteke (who`s a far better player) grief for and the very things Klopp hates in his players yet you wanna give him a pass by digging up irrelevant and irrational arguments to make your point. Ain`t going to happen. The guy is poor and he won`t change. In fact, he`s not even better than those we already have here so again, he`s not needed and I hope it doesn`t happen.

22.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 20:19:49
Newcastle were poor across the whole team. There was clearly issues behind the scenes which would effect the players performance. That said when he had a good game he looked decent and if Klopp can get consistent performance from him it might not be a bad addition to the squad.

23.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 18:21:24
Eds from what you've learned about this deal do you think we're likely to stump up the fee? Are we close in our evaluation? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Klipperty wants the kid so there is a good chance.}

24.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 20:27:43
Actually 'You' 4 goals in a game against a team that were always going to be relegated was inconsequential by virtue of the fact they would have won if he had only scored one, the comparison with Suarez is ludicrous simply because Suarez scored against pretty much everyone and put 110% in every game, something that Wijnaldum has never done ever, he was poor in a weak Dutch league, he's been poor for the Netherlands and he's been poor for Newcastle, he will be poor for us, period. Frankly he's a shockingly bad player who we should be avoiding like the plague not wasting £27m plus on.

25.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 20:28:52
He scored 11 goals from midfield for the worst team in the league. Get off you couch expert positions and stop whining, gentlemen.

26.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 20:42:05
Let the tearing down of 'said' player begin. Newcastle weren't up to much for half the season, when they were good so was wijnaldum. The suarez comparisons end at the number of goals in a game they scored against norwich. There are a handful of players that play like suarez and we are not in the queue to get em.

From what I've seen of wijnaldum for newcastle and holland, he is quick, technically good, lots of energy, creative and gets others involved around the box. To me they are all attributed that Klopp can use. And let's be honest here - even with coutinho, firmino and sturridge in the line-up together how often woild you get frustrated with the lack of creativity to create chances? We need players like wijnaldum who can get into the box, create 1-2s, angles etc etc he can bring a different dimension to our midfield that we don't get from milner, lallana and to some extent hendo. I think he's the sort of player Klopp wants for that mid-att role and brings versatility as well.

27.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 20:44:22
Norwich were always going to get relegated? I didn't realise the premier league was that predictable. He actually scored the first 2 so they wouldn't have won without them. There's every possibility if he didn't take his first chances Norwich would've won the game.
I also didn't mention anything about Suarez's effort but surely if one players goals against a relegated team don't count then that should apply for all.
You clearly don't like the player, and that's fine it's your opinion, but to say that you should discount his goals in certain games is just plain stupid.
Everyone seems to be pretty obsessed with his goals too without ever bringing up his 5 assists, which isn't that bad when you consider there wasn't many goalscorers to assist. I wouldn't consider Mitrovic or Cisse to be clinical anyway.

28.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 20:58:22
There is absolutely no way to judge whether or not this will go down as 'the worst signing' yet.
If it happens, suspend your judgements until we have seen him play a few games for us.

Now I hope he does sign just so he can prove all the doubters wrong.

29.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 21:02:25
100% agree with 'You'.

Cincy, you haven't asked me to explain anything I haven't already explained. Why do you think you know what Klopp wants more than he knows himself though?

30.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 21:11:32
At the end of the day lads Klopp is the manager, he's who FSG and us fans put our faith in, he knows what system he wants to play and what players he believes will work well in it, so if he wants GW then who are we to judge, yes we are entitled to our opinions but if the boss thinks it's what we need who are we to say it's not.

31.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 21:23:45
I have it on good authority that Lucas could be going to Newcastle as part of the deal.

32.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 22:04:24
My thoughts are as normal. Not my ideal choice of signing but if he joins Liverpool let's support the lad and hope he brings success to the club.

33.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 22:13:00
". Sure why don't we discount all of Suarez's goals against Norwich because them matches must not have mattered either. " I think it was 'you' who mentioned Suarez. I'm merely making the point that 11 goals doesn't look so good when you spark four past a team that were only just better than Aston Villa and another two when it didn't matter on the last day. For 30 games last year he couldn't be bothered. If you're happy with that kind of player I will be happy to remind you of this at the end of the season when we'll be struggling to find a buyer for him.

34.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 22:23:03
All I have to add to this is. That's a bit steep isn't it!

35.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 22:35:07
I'm glad Klopp is steering the ship and not some of you negative Nancy's!

Reminder - YNWA.

36.) 19 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 22:57:33
I think all people are entitled to be concerned about is the price tag. He's a championship player, with a mixed track record. Compare that to other current valuations. Zielinski for example. If we are concerned to pay more than 10mil for Chilwell, why are we not worrying about spending so much for Wy.

37.) 20 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 21:14:03
Have we made any kind of approach yet Ed? Or it all still talk.

{Ed002's Note - Yes, the club has spoken with Newcatle.}

38.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 01:19:40
What I said was "I also didn't mention anything about Suarez's effort" since you started comparing effort when I was just pointing out the idiocy of your statement.
If you're going to argue against me please have the decency to actually read my posts properly.
He actually scored or assisted in 11 games (the same as Coutinho and Firmino), so please stop exaggerating with your "30 games last year he couldn't be bothered"
I also didn't realise if you didn't score or assist you'd made no effort that game.
He did play in more games than Coutinho and Firmino, but he would be a backup to them if we signed him.
Also 7 of his goals and 3 of his assists came in games against who finished in the top half, not a bad record. Although his record against the teams in the bottom half is not so good.
I really don't see the issue of signing a goalscoring, assisting, pacy, direct and strong in the air attacking mid as a backup. He'd replace one of Milner and Lallana (preferably Milner imo) both of whom he outscored and he would be an improvement on them.

P. s 4 of Coutinho's 5 assists came against Aston Villa does that mean they don't count?

39.) 20 Jul 2016
19 Jul 2016 23:19:54
Exactly Finglas Red, I think there's a few too many Match Of The Day experts on here!

40.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 00:23:01
Really hope we don't get Windalym. I think he's over-rated, over-priced, doesn't try hard enough often enough and we 100% do not need him.

I wouldn't call him a centre mid, I don't think he gets involved enough in the build up play or positionally I don't think he provides much defensive resistance.

In the Attacking Centre Mid role would I prefer him over Coutinho or Firmino? Absolutely no chance. Right Wing over Mane? No chance. Anywhere but backup? Nope. Worth the fee for backup? Nope.

41.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 01:20:44
How many goals did our midfield score against Norwich or other teams that don't matter MrShankly? I'm willing to bet it wasn't four so therefore if Wijnaldum managed four, does that not make him an upgrade on what we have? It takes a special kind of mentality to fight in a relegation battle just because a player hasn't the mentality doesn't mean they're poor players. Better players have tried and failed, most of the time it's the workhorse type players that prove best at it but that's not going to be much good for us. Also look at last season from Wijnaldum point of view. He probably thought it was the move of his career, coming to play in the PL but instead of fighting for honours he's fighting for relegation, beaten before they had kicked a ball before Rafa. As a creative player that must be a sickener, yes he didn't seem to have the stomach for the fight but he played well in enough games to still prove his quality.

42.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 07:18:02
Franklymrshankly continues to state poor in a poor league about the Dutch league. I would concede the league is no longer as strong as it once was but unless I'm mistaken GW was voted Dutch player of year there. I'm pretty sure they can judge a player and also I'm pretty sure if he was coming direct from PSV not via Newcastle there wouldn't be an issue. Klopp is buying physicality, goals and versatility for what would appear to be a par price. If you look at 25m for Lallana with all of his tricks and flicks and no end product this guy scores and assists in a poor team so let's give him a chance before calling him a mistake.

43.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 08:24:51
If this was Rodgers lashing out nearly £30m on a player this poor in a position we are over stocked in there would be uproar. He's an appalling player and we should be avoiding like the plague.

44.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 09:49:35
"You" are you saying you are happy to spend 20mil plus on a backup (" but he would be a backup to them if we signed him") and do you think his attitude will be good sitting on the bench waiting his chance, you think that'll make him successful?

45.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 12:00:37
Klopp doing a Brendan and the funny part is Club backing him on all signings.

46.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 12:01:38
He was a boss #8 for psv.

47.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 12:04:11
MK, I have read your comment and all I saw or read are the drawing of parallel s of stories of past players, managers and situations that anyone with a brain can draw to make his point. For example, the day Rafa thought Barry was better than Alonso was the day he lost the plot. Proof? Where's Alonso now since he left? Where's Barry?

See, anyone can draw pathetic parallels to suit his rhetoric. Notice, I'm not doing that. I don't care what he did in PSV or in a pathetically poor Eredivisie that brought us the beast known as Memphis Depay, Dutch player of the year that season before they both came to England. Abject player that Depay with a pathetic attitude, just like your Wijnaldum. Bottom line is as Seano said, this is going to be a disaster as Wijnaldum is everything that Klopp has shown to hate in a player. See Benteke.

You say why do I think I know better than Klopp. I don't. I only call it as I see it based on what Wijnaldum has done in England and not in a poor Dutch league. And Klopp isn't a know all either as he is the genius who gave Mingo a five year deal. Not slating him. Just saying he makes mistakes and this will be a big one even tho I'm open to being proven wrong.

48.) 20 Jul 2016
20 Jul 2016 13:40:27
So the manager want him, the club are backing the manager and the lad looks like he is coming.
And supporters are slating him already?!?
Players cab be excellent at one club and poor at another. i'm going to cheer him on if he does coma e and play for us because until he kicks a ball for us no-one can judge him.
I trust klopp and so support the signing. What fans do. Give him a chance.