07 Aug 2017 12:52:46
Right now i am not doing too well with my predictions apologies for that, we appear to be inept at signing players in the correct manner

With regards Coutinho, it was well documented he would give us another 12 months minimum, things obviously changed due to the Neymar sale.

Klopp doesn't want to sell and i worry that if the club do then they have undermined him, what happens then.

He wants to leave because Barcelona have said now or never, he is a good guy who is torn what to do, his family are pushing to go now and make life difficult at Liverpool but i am not sure that's his style, i know this sounds like i am hedging my bets but as of yesterday it was very much 50/ 50, as in push for the move etc or give us another year.

This causes massive ramifications for me if he goes now, is the squad strong enough anyway, can the board be trusted to spend the money, right now they can't even close a deal for a defender who is/ was desperate to come .

But until yesterday Coutinho didn't even know what to do.

All my info is as accurate as it can be, as we know things can change very very quickly .

Not trying to pass info on for any kind of notoriety, just trying to give you a heads up so you can have an idea what is going on.

Cheers

Macca.

{Ed002's Note - Would you be a little happier if Andre Gomes was part of the deal Macca?}

1.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:00:41
I can't be mad at Coutinho for wanting to go. I understand his reasons, but its the fact that we will handle the fallout badly. Great to hear from you Macca.

2.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:23:19
Well you got Robertson right Macca.

3.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:24:44
Thanks as always Macca. Much appreciated.

Seems like the lad has behaved impeccably. My favorite player too. Can’t blame him for wanting to go, and will wish him the best of luck if it transpires, but I’ll just be sorry to see him go.

This window’s proving painful. And I’d agree on wondering (with some trepidation) what the ramifications are, both for Klopp and Club. An important few weeks coming up.

Thanks again Macca and brgds,

4.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:28:41
Thanks for the input macca.

5.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:36:22
Gomes would not be my choice to be included in the deal. He's prob worth about 10-15mill after his performances last year.

6.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:39:50
I hope we're not going to become similar to Arsenal just fighting for 4th most of the time.

7.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:41:27
Ed I take it Andre Gomes has been offered or discussed? I no youve said Barcelona has a list of players they will be happy to move on but does he seem there likely one?

{Ed002's Note - Yes, I understand he has been offered as part of the proposal for Coutinho.}

8.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:43:17
All tid bits are greatly appreciated macca you legend.

9.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:43:27
Cheers for the update macca.
Can I ask eds/ macca what's klopps view on the matter?
Also if he is sold will the monies be but back into the team or do they think we are strong enough as is?

{Ed002's Note - Klopp doesn't want to sell - I think that has been made pretty clear. I would not give any thought to the money.}

10.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:43:52
Cheers Macca - appreciate the background intel. This makes sense to me and can understand Coutinhos dilemma, hopefully he decides to stay.

Thankfully we brought in Salah so at least we have two wingers still, but we really need his creativity a bit deeper. He really is our game changer and those don't come along often.

Agree we also need to fix our recruitment quick - it'll be unforgivable if we didn't have a contingency plan in place for Couts, not to mention the shambles that the VVD situation developed into. Sincerely hope we can sort that one out.

YNWA.

11.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:46:19
Hi Ed's

In light of Macca's update, in particular the questioning of the hirachey, how much thought will there be in terms of what a £100m+ bid (or what ever figure is true) could go towards other day to day running activities of the club? Could the owners ear mark X amount towards the redevelopment of the Anfield Road End or is stadium developed totally unrelated to generated transfer fees?

Many thanks.

{Ed002's Note - It really doesn't work like that. You need to remove any thoughts about money.}

12.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:50:43
If we had got keita couts would have left by now, been saying that for weeks. With no keita available everything is different. For me I would love Della Ali and gomes. think we have enough up front to win matches but we conceed to many, think gomes, wini and Della Alli would real pace and power in the middle. Keep lallana Henderson and probably sell can as grujic is improving. Alli and homes for can and couts. :-) fantasy football.

13.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:51:47
If Barcelona are saying Now or Never, they need to be asked to put their money where their mouth is and cough up £150m minimum.

{Ed002's Note - And this folks, is why we don't like talking about money.}

14.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 14:01:13
Hi Ed's, how do you rate Andre Gomes as a replacement for Coutinho? I don't watch Spanish footy and YouTube isn't a good assessment of a player. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I rate him as a 31.}

15.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 14:08:20
Cheers Macca and ed2.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

16.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:16:43
Ed002 was the Andre Gomes inclusion speaking hypothetically or has this been discussed?

{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

17.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:20:21
I think the Coutinho sale is done and has being done for weeks now.
Did anybody here think FSG where going to spend 120m on VVD and Keita without a sale to balance the books.?

The boy wants to to leave so leave him leave.
But why is it every time we have a world class player they want to go.?
Maybe Coutinho is sick of the FSG business model like I am.

Next year or the year after when Mane hits the heights we will be here again saying the same thing over and over again.

18.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:21:27
Cheers macca.

19.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 14:17:28
Big respect to Macca and the Ed's. As we all know brains and football supporters never go in the same sentence.

20.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 14:18:17
Seems like SkySports watch this page. 10mins after macca post SkySources release something similar.

Ed's and Macca should be on there wage bill.

21.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:09:01
Really appreciate you posting Macca, you can't be blamed for the clubs inept business skills. Here's to hoping Cout stays as like you say, I have little to no faith they will be able to even remotely replace him.

22.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:09:33
Dear Ed2, I don't watch a lot of Spanish footy but how do you rate Andre Gomes as a player? Looking at the stats he's no where near Cout's.

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - He's a 31.}

23.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:14:46
Thanks for the info macca. It is much appreciated as always.

If he goes do you expect klopp to push for his own exit?

24.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 13:15:20
well said, feel for the guy.

25.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 14:22:58
You are right Ed, apologies for that. But whatever the figure, its more about the ramifications within the club as Macca has said. Will Klopp consider his position? Probably not.

{Ed002's Note - Not until the Bayern Munich one becomes available in 2019.}

26.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 14:23:50
If Pipco goes then nobody can truly blame him. If he does and the board do not sensibly spend and stengthen then I believe they would have damaged their relationship with Klopp and us the fans. The dealings at our club have been badly managed year on year and yet nothing has altered. Consequently I have to believe that our heirarchy are not up to the job. this might be true or not but it's difficult to see passed the mistakes. If I made a mistake at work I'd possibly be warned. if I made the same mistake over and over again I'd probably be fired. but if my workplace allowed the same mistake to be repeated regardless of workers then they'd be negligent and stupid at the least. FSG need to stop their relative silence and express how they'll improve the protocols in future. the current transfer committee has failed to work well. If they do not then they are in danger of allowing us to convince ourselves that they are happy with the protocols because it suits their purposes.

27.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 14:33:27
Thanks macca
So it looks like klopp is getting undermined there's only one way this will play out in the end. 🙈.

28.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 14:45:13
I really believe that lfc would be foolish to turn down a high bid for Couts as good as he is he can still and does get injured. Better to replace him with a couple of excellent players and wish him well.

29.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 14:56:27
Macca also asking the question there can the board be trusted to bring in the right players IF coutinho leaves?

30.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 15:01:43
anyone other than Coric as a replacement wouldn't excite me. but would love to be proved wrong.

31.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 15:16:20
According to Sky: Coutinho wants to move if deal can be done amicably. What exactly does that mean? Does that mean he will force a move or he won't? Because if he doesn't force a move then Liverpool will perhaps not sell him (not this year at least), and all the word coming out of Liverpool Echo is the club will not sell.

{Ed002's Note - It will become clear in the coming days as Barcelona will return to put a firm proposal on the table.}

32.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 15:26:55
Totti, our world class players always want to go primarily because they are always Latin players, and Latin players dream of Spain. Otherwise, they have wanted to move on because the club was either stuck in mid-table, or a manager (rafa) was undermining him. It's the consequence of having really good players with Spanish/ Portuguese-speaking backgrounds.

33.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 15:28:52
There's only one player I'd happily let Phil go so we can buy and that is Mbappe. We couldn't afford him without selling Phil. But with the money from the sale it becomes possible.

34.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 15:53:10
I'm slightly confused as to how the pipco sale would be the boards or FSG fault, sure they can say we don't want you to go and say he is not for sale but then if he personally wants to go you can't stop the lad, everyone saying VVD should hand in a transfer request and fob Southampton off what would you say if pipco did that to us? Liverpool deserve this for screwing up there summer business it was all there fault no one elses, this is nothing to do with the board or FSG this is Klopp being a total ass and messing everything up, good luck at Barcelona if it does happen personally myself I would drop Bobby into CAM and try and identify a 20 goal season striker and go all out or if we can sacrifice someone to the gods to get sturridge to stay fit for the season lol.

35.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 16:08:40
Thanks for response ed.

36.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 16:25:12
If PC goes I'd say we get back to ? and flash RBL some silly-money. The footballing world is absolutely out of joints and more dog-eat-dog than ever.

37.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 16:34:18
If the club sell Coutinho this season then that sends a message to everyone that we are not serious at wanting to be a top club in England let alone Europe. Klopp will be undermined and frankly he might as well go and find a club with owners prepared to back his judgement and follow through on the project.
Coutts immediate chemistry with Salah and the return of Mane bodes well for the coming season and we must keep this core of the squad to push on whilst finding a replacement for him in 2018.
RB Leipzig held firm and its time for the owners to show some balls.

38.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 16:57:58
Spot on, patemondo. Unless Coutinho rocks the boat and becomes too unsettled to be relied upon, Liverpool are in a strong position and do not need to sell. If RBL can refuse to sell Keita even while he is rocking the boat, then Liverpool should be able to reject Barcelona when by comparison Coutinho is much more chilled out about his situation. Whatever lufty fee Liverpool would gain from this will mean nothing because they won't be able to find a suitable replacement with that money by the time 31 august rolls around - unless this Andre gomes guy is very good?

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Keita. If Liverpool want to block any sale a good starting point is not sittiung down with them to negotiate.}

39.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 17:19:59
I have thought that Ed, regarding your previous posts about meetings in London. If he ain't for sale, he ain't for sale, why would you even entertain talks?

{Ed002's Note - The plan is that Barcelona will return to put a formal proposal on the table in the next couple of days.}

40.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 18:12:00
Cheers macca. Good to hear coutinio still cares about us a lot. Bless him. I don't blame him, who could. We all know what it's like to have the missus on your case!

Barca are going to say now or never. I wonder if they will stick to that when Phil does start scoring 30 goals a season for us next year.

Thanks for the heads up.

41.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 18:13:36
not to be rude but Andre Gomes is absolutley horrible. i don't think i have ever seen him have a good game in like 30+ games i have seen him play in. I think FSG need to GO now sadly. no chance of ANY success under them.

42.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 18:22:32
I think he will stay now. Good report from macca, I still expect k to sign and expect v to sign and I hope we shut lampard up.

43.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 18:08:54
I know it has nothing to do with Keita Ed, I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with copying RBL's principle that worked for them, considering the fact they're in a stronger negotiating position than RBL anyway.

44.) 07 Aug 2017
07 Aug 2017 19:22:06
If Klopp throws his toys out of the pram due to our transfer dealings then I'm not convinced he's all that anyway. Half of the deals we are failing on are either because he acted inappropriately or flogged a dead horse, or red bull.

Selling Coutinho may not be his desire but if Barcelona have gone about matters in the right way (kind of), the money is good and the player wants to go, then the board aren't daft enough to keep him if he's not happy. Not keen to lose Coutinho but Liverpool will still be here long after he's gone.

Not keen on Gomes though.

45.) 08 Aug 2017
08 Aug 2017 01:32:19
Snap, not keen on Gomes either, sorry but I've never seen him have a good 25 mins nevermind full game, what is it with us getting shocking deals when it comes to player exchanges. Antonio nunes anyone? I know it hasn't happened yet and may not but come on surely if a player exchange is on the cards we could maybe be a little more ambitious, probably a stupid question Ed's but do the selling club ever have any say as in choice on who is part of any player plus cash deal?, I mean do they get a chance to say who they could want? Sorry if it is a stupid question just these player (s) plus (dirty word) cash deals are very rare these days and last time we took part in one we parted company with (at the time) one of the hottest goal scorers in world football and got a ridiculously below average midfielder in return, oh and 8 million ha ha, who could forget that bit, don't worry I'm not asking about money as - as recent deals show - it really doesn't seem to matter anymore, cheers in advance for any replies!

{Ed001's Note - yes of course they do.}

46.) 08 Aug 2017
08 Aug 2017 02:33:53
Cheers Macca, always nice to see you posting!

Bit gutted to hear this as we know Macca know's his stuff. Couts is a top lad though always just gets on with things and acts professional. So can't really blame him if he does want to leave. Just coming so late in the window, i think viably we still have a very good squad but couts just has something magic about him.