22 Jul 2016 08:17:48
It's amazing how most of the 'fans' on here spend all their time watching other teams, I mean everyone must have watched every minute of every Newcastle game to know how bad Wijnaldum really is.

Give the lad a chance, it was only this time last year 'we' were all crying because Depay had signed for Utd - look how that worked out, bet you're all glad now. If he flops I'll hold my hands up and say 'whoops'. If he adds 10 goals to our tally from midfield then that'll probably those extra 3 wins we needed to get top 4 - these are very fine margins!

1.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 09:06:30
I get annoyed by blind optimistic fans who do not see no wrong. Every season on this forum it's the same give the lad a chance, yet every year we under perform as does the player in a huge number of cases. The fans want what is best for the club and that is quality. Not players who perform well at relegated clubs. Yes he scored 11 goals, four was in one game against a very sub standard Norwich side. We all know what defines quality and the Dutch lad is not the definition of it, yet 25 mil is spent.

2.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 09:55:09
why slag off players before they've even put the shirt on? some of ya need a reality check. I promise you 1000% that your opinion would be more positive if he was coming straight form the dutch league. it is only that newcastle got relegated, and a comment from ed001 that has swayed some people.

{Ed001's Note - he was not that good in Holland, which is why he ended up at Newcastle. I wish people would drop the player of the year crap, it is irrelevant, we all know it is not down to how good a player is winning these awards. I really hope the lad comes in and plays to his potential he had as a kid, but he has not made any progress in years.}

3.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 09:55:10
Carlitoc- I get annoyed with pessimistic posters like yourself, in which there seems to be more by the day on this site of late! change the record. The biggest stick most posters seem to have found to beat GW with is that he scored 4 goals in one game but it was "only" against Norwich! Its pathetic! Give the lad a break, get behind him. Its negative "fans" like you the contribute most to these so called "flops" we have. It must be so hard to perform with people already writing you off before you have kicked a ball for the club.

johnnyr1970 - good post mate.

4.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 10:00:31
I get annoyed by blind pessimist fans who judge a player before he's kicked a ball for us. Truth is noone knows how a player will turn out so how about giving him the benefit of the doubt, eh?

5.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 10:06:35
Carlitoc

best post I've seen for a long time.

We need players to walk into our starting 11 to improve us, will wijnaldum do that. I don't think so.

6.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 10:10:28
I have a different view carlitoc.
I get annoyed with people judging players before
a) they've settled in
b) they've kicked a ball for us
c) they've even signed for us.

When you've sat and heard the abuse that the likes of Lucas and Hendo received when they were settling in. Then contrast that with the praise they've received since and the model professionals they've been for the club despite the unnecessary abuse. You realise you have to be at least neutral with players until they've had a chance to settle. My personal view is being overly optimistic and supportive speeds up the settling in period, which is why I probably annoy the heck out of you.

Sorry

Ron xx.

7.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 10:14:48
No blind optimism from me - I could see Benteke was never going to be a good fit for example because he was a long-ball type player - but I find it hard to believe anyone has really seen enough of this guy to be slating him.

Apologies to Ed001 but it would appear his opinion - which may or may not prove correct - has soured everyone elses.

Oh and how many goals did Suarez score against Norwich? Are we saying they aren't valid?

8.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 11:07:18
Spent some time in Netherlands and watching Dutch league and his first club in particular. Disagree with Ed001 and thought he was actually quality then but that is my opinion and we are all entitled to them - no issue with your Ed of course. Some will be positive some negative. Thought last year he was a great signing for Newcastle, don't think he was awful by any means but think he was one in a dysfunctional squad that the manager (s) never managed to motivate as a group. I think his success here will be all about how he is managed within a TEAM (like all the players) and in that regard I have to trust in a manager with a personality that appears right for our club to build a TEAM again. But quality of this individual I think need not be questioned.

{Ed001's Note - I hope you are right, I remember as a kid he looked special, but he looked worse every time I saw him after that.}

9.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 11:17:46
Ron

Yeah Henderson and lucas worked out, but let's face it our success in the transfer market for the last 10years has been rubbish.

10.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 11:19:32
Exactly johnnyr. To add to that, if scoring against Norwich is to be argued, how about tons of other players who didn't score that much or didn't score at all againts Norwich?

11.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 11:17:46
Ron

Yeah Henderson and lucas worked out, but let's face it our success in the transfer market for the last 10years has been rubbish.

12.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 11:19:32
Exactly johnnyr. To add to that, if scoring against Norwich is to be argued, how about tons of other players who didn't score that much or didn't score at all againts Norwich?

13.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 11:31:36
Me too! I just don't want to offer a "write him off" vibe without offering a supportive view. Like I say, whilst I have no greater qualification than most if not all of your posters, I have personally seen quality in this lad and therefore he deserves that support from the off from this loyal fan! And he clearly is rated by folk in the club, not least the manager, who are much more qualified than all of us.

14.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 14:25:47
So all in the name of optimism, we should no longer voice our concerns over a player that is coming in? So much for making you opinions heard and freedom to speak your mind. Carlitoch and many like myself, have the right to voice our concerns about a player being signed for big money based on his most recent season in the PL (cos that is the most recent information we have as what he used to be in his youth is irrelevant) and many for now, do not agree with his signing as many think he`s not what we need, is a luxury signing as we are over populated at his position. In what way are these concerns invalid? These same concerns were leveled against Carroll, Downing, Balotelli, Benteke, Lallana, Milner, all of who many voiced their concerns over. What are their statuses now at LFC? Gone, on their way out, not wanted, may leave. Having known all that, I will apologize to no one for voicing my concerns about GW or any player for that matter. it is up to them to convince us and not for me to support them blindly. Of course, we will give him a chance to prove us wrong as I am open to that. What choice do we have? But to say voicing concerns over a player while we have the afore mentioned track record to go by, is ludicrous because as they say, "Those who have learnt nothing from history are doomed to repeat it". We shall see if we`ve learnt anything.

15.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 15:34:41
The fine line between mere opinions v undue criticism and slating is what most of the true fans on this forum I believe take offence to. My bet is you are no more qualified than the rest of us or fit to clean the boots of the man making the decisions on the park. So just say: "I remain to be convinced" and leave it at that. Then hopefully you get convinced and take a rest.

16.) 22 Jul 2016
22 Jul 2016 15:46:27
Moreover - in generalist in terms, none of the players you mention are in fact lacking levels of quality in some regard, be it attitude and commitment, technical ability, physical presence, etc etc and all have had some level of success in their careers to date to offer a potential employer who can make them work out, not as individuals but as part of a team, for that employer. So I would actually argue that it is not so definitive that the players (save perhaps one or 2) we have brought in not being up to it but our ability as a club to man manage and combine their attributes into a team (after all it is a team sport not an individual one) . Someone in an earlier post made a very solid statement about the Leicester City TEAM of last year and the individuals within it. Similar but opposing comparisons can be made of a not so far back Real Madrid team full of top quality individuals but no team. So the point is take a bit of trust in the ability of Klopp and his coaches, etc to generate TEAM from a relatively good set of players with a solid mix of capabilities. I think you will find that is what our successful managers of the past did.