20 Aug 2016 22:20:51
We will be lucky 2 finish in top 4. Just don't think we will b consistent enough 2 manage it. Sad to say but can't see us making top 4. I think klopp is rather predictable and as maybe eds is right. . he lacks the tactical skills to change plans etc. This is based on last season and what I have seen so far. this will get slated but I just don't see much difference between now and the past. Why has he not sorted the left back position? Wasted 25 million on gw? I sincerely hope I'm proved wrong, I really do but are we just being blinded by nice guy klopp?

1.) 20 Aug 2016
20 Aug 2016 22:43:38
Well another manager comes in that can't sort out the mentality in the dressing room.

2.) 20 Aug 2016
20 Aug 2016 22:48:00
Maybe blinded. We won't know after week 2 of the season.

3.) 20 Aug 2016
20 Aug 2016 23:14:34
We have to change something in the style we play. We are not Barcelona. Having all our attacks based on attempted passes through three defenders, g oing only from the centre with ne headers, no presence in the box, no power just small passes, everyone running forward so exposing our defence, we will never overcome teams that close thier game and we will concede.

4.) 20 Aug 2016
20 Aug 2016 23:39:46
I thought Kloppo knew better than trying to get our defenders to pass their way out at the back.

I'm disappointed. Unless he's going to sign a brand new set of defenders we need to give this tactic up.

5.) 21 Aug 2016
21 Aug 2016 00:00:49
I think in games like this out movement in the final third is just all wrong. Sturridge comes to revive the ball just to dribble back out to where he received it, the only real movement is done on the wings which ends up with hopeful cross towards no one really. Against Arsenal we saw much more movement everyone wanting the ball and actually taking risks, the movement on Lallanas goal was class, it's just a shame we can't do it when there a few more defenders behind the ball. Imo the area which needs work is attacking movement and link up play.

6.) 21 Aug 2016
21 Aug 2016 00:22:28
Most teams will struggle to create good chances against a well organised defensive side, and of course its all too easy in the process to over commit and be caught on the break- exactly as happened according to Dyche's script today.
But City usually manage to find a way through packed defences, whilst not getting caught out at the back- as do Chelsea, Barca, Bayern, and the top European sides who face a similar challenge in their domestic games most weeks.
Mane is a partial solution to creating a breakthrough against packed defences, and we already missed his qualities today.
But I think Klopp is a very smart man, and he will learn that he needs a plan B for these games, and he needs certain qualities from the players to make it work.
But its not just about defence. The second goal really started with a crappy 3 yard forward pass from coutinho to sturridge on the edge of their box- sturridge had two defenders on him already, and his slow reactions allowed them to rob the ball, and the break was on.
That kind of sloppy forward play from coutinho and studge is what allows opportunities to be created- so that has to stop.
But after that, the defending on an individual basis was not good enough.
Gray is a decent player, but our defenders made him look like Pele in that break. He should never have been allowed to get that shot off.
We have to learn the lessons and move on.

7.) 21 Aug 2016
21 Aug 2016 02:31:19
I totally agree with you Ron. We should stop trying starting from the back. It doesn't work.

8.) 21 Aug 2016
21 Aug 2016 01:55:03
Lots of words here in some of the comments but to sum up - we were rubbish - simple as. The piss poor, football manager style purchasing of the last 3 seasons has continued into this one. We were lucky to win last week and we got what we deserved this week. Rubbish, simply rubbish, no excuses for losing this game. And before anyone starts I've been a weekly matchgoer for 30+ years, crappest Liverpool team i've seen, unfortunately.

{Ed001's Note - we weren't lucky to win last week, we just have to learn not to sit back and try and hold a lead. As for the crappest team, this is much better than Rodgers final days, far better than the Hodgson era, so you clearly are not a match goer or match watcher if you think this is the crappest.}

9.) 21 Aug 2016
21 Aug 2016 07:10:49
In 30 years this is the crappest team u have seen? u obviously never watched when hodgson was in charge then? every team this season will lose games that is a fact. so we lost one early. get behind the manager and the team not slating them after 2 games. fans are so fickle.

10.) 21 Aug 2016
21 Aug 2016 08:05:24
Well that divided opinion but don't get me wrong I desperately want us to succeed but I just don't see how we are going to do that when we can't get the basics right and buy Un needed players like gw. I'm not bashing any players just voicing my opinion. I hope klopp gets it right but we must find consistency at some point. Have a good Sunday reds. YNWA.

11.) 21 Aug 2016
21 Aug 2016 08:27:13
I'm sorry Ed001 but I am a regular attendee at games and whilst I may have over-egged the comment a little (beer will do that to you), at the moment I see very little difference between this team and those from the periods you highlight. There may be better/ fsater/ fitter players on paper but we still haven't worked out how to make them play together or instill them with a winning mentality. I pray that this is a blip at the start of a 36 match unbeaten run but I sense that's not the case and that we're going into another mediocre season.

I'm not some idiot who thinks we'll be competing with those clubs who have 10 times our spending power but it would be nice to think that we might be in with a slight chance. As it stands I don't think this team, unless something changes quickly, is much better than it was last season.

{Ed001's Note - one game and you are saying this. One game against the team with the best home defensive record in England last season. Yes, I know it was at a lower level, but it still highlights that they are very defensively sound at home, even their relegation season saw them concede very few. If I remember correctly they only conceded 7 at home all season. People are panicking over nothing. Burnley are excellent at what they do, with a coach who has a plan and works hard to implement it.}

12.) 21 Aug 2016
21 Aug 2016 09:32:51
It's not just one game though is it Ed001 - I know you disagree with my use of the word 'Lucky' in relation to the Arsenal game but we had that game all but sewn up and then conceded 2 goals to let them right back into it and could quite easily have gone on to lose. We could well have been looking at 0 points from our first two games.

I'm not going to start slagging off individuals - Henderson for example wasn't to blame for what happened yesterday as a lot of posters seem to think - but I do wonder if we've spent a lot of money again and not really upped the overall quality level.

Anyway, onwards and upwards, we need to win that game against Spurs next week now just to prove that the result yesterday was just a blip.

{Ed001's Note - we sat back and let them get at us, let Arsenal off the hook, that is a different issue. The issues are different in both games. You can't compare them.}

13.) 22 Aug 2016
21 Aug 2016 15:18:41
Anonymush

And for such teams who sit back and defend you have players like Zlatan who is unbeatable in the air when you put in crosses. Liverpool don't use width and never cross a football into the 6 yard box.