01 Dec 2016 23:23:22
I was at the game on Tuesday and can I just ask as many of us as possible to give credit where credit is due. Migs made a save in the first few minutes that had he not could've made the game a whole lot harder for us. I've never been his biggest fan but he did well and deserves credit and praise from us fans. I don't advocate a recall but he's not bad to have on the sidelines.

1.) 01 Dec 2016
01 Dec 2016 23:52:47
If it took him having to be benched, in order to bring the best out of him then that is more an indictment on his attitude towards being a great GK. A player must never rest on his laurels nor get too comfortable or you will slide into mediocrity. Buffon for exampl, has been on top of his game for two decades and that is because he has never stoped working hard to be the best hence, he's never been dislodged at Juve and for Italy.

2.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 00:32:01
Mignolet may have made a good save but mate, come on, he makes good saves like that all the time, but he also goes on to make a million mistakes - which, again, he did in the leeds game. He still hasn't changed.

{Ed001's Note - what good save? It was a save any professional goalkeeper should be expected to make! Some people just accept any old dross when it is from Migs and claim it is brilliant just because they have grown used to how terrible he actually is.}

3.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 00:50:28
Yes, it was a good save and he deserves praise for making it, however, he also came out for a corner and missed it entirely. There was also no real sign of his distribution improving. So for me, while he did make a couple of good saves, there was still too much of the old Mignolet there to see. A decent performance from him, yet definitely not convincing enough for him to regain his starting spot, imo.

4.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 02:30:37
Found a way to turn praise into a criticism, Hamilton? Since he is now second keeper, the only thing Migs can do is try his hardest when the opportunities arise. A decent performance with a clean sheet - can't ask for much more. If Leeds went 1-0 up early on it could have been a lot tougher.

5.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 03:15:10
Yeah fair play to the lad.

6.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 07:47:14
Have to agree with Annie I think people are just using any stick to beat mignolet with now. If it was Karius they would all be praising him. It's a very odd double standard that's derived from absolutely nothing. Karius has been just as shaky.

{Ed001's Note - why would we praise either? And this crap about Karius being just as shaky is a lie. A downright lie. Karius has not been outstanding, but he has been lightyears ahead of Migs.

As for the midweek game, Mignolet did one good thing, when he beat a player with the ball at his feet, but then he went back to the usual flapping at crosses etc for the rest of the game. He did not play well by any normal standards, but it seems we have a few that feel they have to back him no matter what. They make up fake 'good saves' and lie about him being a 'great shotstopper' while slagging off his replacement constantly. Ridiculous. Mignolet is the worst keeper in the Prem, the worst I have ever seen in Liverpool's net. He has no redeeming features on the pitch, sadly, because he is a genuinely nice guy off it.}

7.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 08:25:02
We have had a whole host of diabolical second-choice keepers (arphexad etc), but Mignolet is without a scintilla of doubt the worst number 1 keeper we have ever had. Relieved he is now back-up.

8.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 08:25:28
Mignolet was always a good shot stopper but unfortunately his creativity ends there. He is a terrible keeper!

{Ed001's Note - he has never been a good shot stopper. He has never once saved anything you would not expect a professional keeper from the Conference to save. Yet he has let a few in that I would expect myself to save, let alone a professional goalkeeper.}

9.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 08:46:48
Ed I think the point people are making is that karius hasn't actually shown much because he's barely been tested in one of the games against palace he saved a couple of shots which he didn't deal too well with but other than that nothing. He's lightyears ahead of Migs with his feet but I've never seen any goalkeeper take a goal kick off the floor and put it out for a corner like karius did and it was glossed over in your match report (which I love reading and appreciate) whereas if migs did the same thing it'd have been what the article was about. But you get the point people are seeing the double standards and are sticking up for migs. I much prefer karius but he has flaws and he hasn't really been tested yet in terms of shot stopping he has a very similar goals per shot ratio to migs.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but that is bollox. I would have mentioned it if it was Migs because every kick is terrible, whereas in Karius' case it was a one off that you are all masturbating over as it gives the haters a chance to hate him. I certainly would not have made the entire article about it you are simply lying. The difference between the two is simple, Karius at least made the stops and is usually very good with his feet. Mignolet would have let them in and kicked every ball into touch. There is no double standards from anyone but them. I don't see why you feel the need to make up crap like that about me, as you have no idea what I would have said and so it is just you being an utter arse to try and make a stupid point.}

10.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 09:56:32
It was a no-brainer to give karius the chance, Migs had more than enough time to cement the position as his own and did not. Karius is still young in goalkeeper terms, he has moved to a bigger club which takes adjusting, a new country, new team mates, and is still maturing as a person, he has not been perfect but it is to be expected that he needs time to settle in. He needs time, patience and support but I am more relaxed and confident with karius in goal than the heart stopping moments when Migs is in goal.

11.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 10:02:12
IMO, Karius is a better keeper than Migs. Nothing I have seen this season makes me question my opinion. Migs is the worst 1st choice keeper I have seen play for the reds and a million miles away from the best Clemence, Pepe and Brucie. He does come across as a nice bloke off the pitch and I have no hatred for the guy. I just don't think he is good enough be 1st choice.

12.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 10:02:19
Ed can you see ward being the number 2 in the summer and mignolet sold . I'm with you ed mignolet always kick it up the pitch but karius looks to play with his feet also karius postion helps the team to attack he's plays like neuer does well mignolet will stay in his boxs .

{Ed001's Note - I don't know if Ward is going to make it to be honest. I expect him to leave and then it will be up to him to work his way back up to the Prem.}

13.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 10:06:11
I actually agree with you, Ed, as in 'why praise either'. Both have been pretty erratic to be frank although Karius deserves a season-long length of rope as he's still finding his feet. He has mis-kicked and flapped a fair bit so far. Its just that Migs has a longer history of doing so.
I have never slated Karius but m just desperate to see that he is a huge improvement on Mignolet and he is yet to show that in any substantial way.

14.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 10:11:02
I have to agree with Ed1 here, Karius is indeed in a different league to Migs, I think some people are quick to forget he broke his hand! it obviously takes time to get back to normal. I'd put him far ahead of migs any day personally. He's young and is already showing great potential, he can be fantastic in my opinion. If it was upto me Migs would be history at Liverpool, he got a clean sheet the other day so fair play but still he's not good enough for Liverpool and never was.

We can say Karius hasn't been tested as much as we want, end of the day he's doing the job, in the most difficult league in the world for a top club, I think he's showed he can handle it and to me is improving all the time. Everybody makes mistakes no matter what player you are, this kid is young, Migs has more experience but i'd never put migs ahead of Karius, not in a million years.

15.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 10:31:15
ed, i'm sure he was exaggerating about you making a whole article about migs. I thought jezzas post was reasonable then I read your reply and thought it was the rants of angry man whos feelings got hurt cause people don't share his views. (you don't have/ need to post this, just thought you should know how your coming across when you reply to people you disagree with. )

{Ed001's Note - I really don't care how I am coming across, there was no need to make up lies to disagree. He could have simply disagreed, I have no issue with him disagreeing, but to make up crap and then add to it by lying that I was the one with the double standards, when it is me who is sticking by the standards, not the Karius haters.

As for being angry, if people want to read anger into words that is their problem, they are the ones making the judgement, which says more about them than me. They don't know if I was sat here grinning typing it or laughing or if I was raging, so they are making judgement based on their own standards, not mine.

I will say this though, I never type replies angry, I just delete if something pisses me off or walk away from the keyboard and calm down. Pointless replying angry, far more important things in life than this.}

16.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 13:59:32
This is so funny, migs has been sub standard for years and now he has been replaced by a keeper who we have not lost a competitive game yet with him between the sticks and all of a sudden migs is great again.

He should be making routine saves like the one he made in the leeds game. Yeah its fine to give him credit so should we also give credit to all the routine saves karius has made, its only fair. We can have a routine save appreciation page haha.

Karius made a mistake, but people gloss over the excellent one on one save he made in that game and has consistently made since he has settled into his role. He is light years ahead of migs i'm afraid and hopefully if he doesn't listen too much to atcherburg he will blossom into an excellent keeper for us.

17.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 15:55:46
Our goal keeper situation has and is been a joke for many years.

Why no one saw it and rectified it is still a puzzle.

Mignolet standard is very poor for a club looking to win and not only that even based on our finish, he still is very very average.

Noww Klopp brought Karius and everyone thinks he will be the new number one or the best in business which he clearly is not.

Karius though it is very early. some of his mistakes make him look Mignolet Part 2. Just that Klopp brought him and it is early, he is being given time.

The fact is Mignoloet is a super flop and the early signs of Karius is not promising. We had this guy on loan doing good and he was recalled in last Jan window and then was sent back again on loan. Not sure what Klopp was smoking there.

The thing is I am really surprised why we can't seem to get good goal keepers. Is it because they (Simon and Karius) are average or is it our defence?

AM have had very good success with goal keepers and I really wanted Oblak when he was in reserves behind the now chelsea keeper. Even Keylor Navas or David Ospinna would have been better.

Cheers.

18.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 16:03:01
Am i stoned?

Is this really happening. Do you guys actually watch liverpool?

How anyone can defend mignolet leaves me in utter disbelief. Like jaw on the floow stunned.

ARE YOU FOR ****ING REAL.

Karius is nuMber one and better in every department. Simple. that's it. End of it. Matter over. Move on. Nothing left to fking say. NO STOP TYPING. CLOSE THAT BOX NOW. ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON.

REALLY NO. NOONE WANTS TO HEAR YOUR DRIVAL. NONE OF US. ANY OF YOU WHO ARE CONTENPLATING/ WRITING THE FOLLOWING. "MIGS MIGHT NOT BE GREAT BUT he's AN AWESOME SHOT STOPPER" OR ANY VARIf@@kingATION. TAKE 5 MINS, THINK, DELETE AND THANK ME.

love you all but give your heads a wobble ay!

{Ed025's Note - your very opinionated supermane, im sure some prefer migs to karius and for me with good reason, vampires are less scared of crosses than karius and there is no doubt he can become a good keeper but at the moment he looks very green to me mate...and stop the bloody shouting!..

19.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 16:32:00
Well said meerkat, migs has had tons of time to prove himself and never taken the chance. Kauris has been solid enough if not spectacular which is fine in my camp for someone in a new league and squad for the first time, and he's shown he has the potential. He's already a notable improvement on migs, gives everyone more confidence at at the back. let's hope he can continue to settle in a become a top top player for us.

{Ed025's Note - hmmmm..

20.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 16:38:08
Thanks Ed and Barnez for your accurate responses to the moral dishonesty being post on these boards in a bid to slate Karius.

The bar has been lowered to the depths of the seas when commenting on Migs performances. How shameful. I personally couldn`t be bothered what people think of Karius as I think his haters are just nitpicking his miscues while dishonestly and conveniently dismissing the fact that we are he has made the saves needed when called upon. Migs spent three years here not even being able to do that, consistently.

Even more so, he is not even on the same planet as Migs as far as footwork, passing and distribution are concerned but the Migs` apologists here would still find something pathetic to beat him with. Has he been great? No. Is he better than Migs? Absolutely. I also think it is intellectual bankruptcy to compare Migs, a failure after three years unchallenged to a newcomer who`s still finding his feet. That is just wrong.

I unlike many on here, am happy to give Karius time to get going, just like I gave Mingo time to claim the spot as his own but bottled it. As for being a good shot stopper, that is utter hogwash. Where was he when he was getting beaten at his near post at the EFL final last season? Where was he when we led the PL in most goals conceded at the first attempt on target last season? Can his apologists answer those questions? I`ll be waiting but not holding my breathe, tho.

{Ed025's Note - slating your own players is not really an endearing trait for me hamilton, but its about opinions and everyone is entitled to theirs just as you are to yours mate, they are both decent and have good and bad traits i think and while i think karius has the potential to become very good he has done little to convince me that he is anywhere near that standard yet mate..

21.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 16:57:49
Mignolet has been mostly woeful since he came here after moving from another premier league team, Karius has moved to a new country this year, didn't have the best of starts with his injury and is still settling in. Yet, i reckon he's still been better than Mignolet. Maybe he'll turn out to be class, maybe he, ll be bang average. But he can't be that bad if he was in the Bundesligas top 2 keepers last season.

{Ed025's Note - its too early to judge him for me el diablo, owen hargreaves was a star in the bundesliga but decidedly mediocre in the EPL so that argument does not really hold water for me mate..

22.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 17:22:12
@Ed025 - Karius's distribution is much better than Mignolet's. He is also far more vocal than Mignolet. He's also much calmer and more comfortable on the ball. In terms of shot-stopping we don't really know yet. What is obvious is that the entire backline looks far more comfortable with Karius behind them than they have ever done with Mignolet. It is early days for Karius but he is a very young keeper and the early signs are that he is significantly better than Mignolet. I honestly fail to see what anybody see's in Mignolet - he might be a nice fella but as a goalkeeper he simply isn't good enough and his multiple seasons of poor goalkeeping proove it.

{Ed025's Note - time will tell seano, migs was the best thing since sliced bread when he first came but now hes a pariah, some people have very short memories mate..

23.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 17:40:35
Agreed Ed, still too early to run the rule over Karius - I hope the lad turns into an excellent goalkeeper, the tougher games will show what he is made of I guess.

To be fair Ed that's the same for most players - heroes one minute, villains the next, football world is generally a fickle one eh.

{Ed025's Note - your right there mate..

24.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 17:58:33
Spot on, Seano. I never thought Migs was the best thing since sliced bread as he wasn`t that good at Sunderland and I was ready to give him time. At the time, I would have taken Begovic. Well, his time`s up. He`s now proved me and many others right as he`s a known flop. If he wasn`t one, Karius wouldn`t be here taking his spot. He has no one to blame for his own downfall but himself. It`s that simple. Time to for him step aside and let someone else have a go, please.

25.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 17:54:25
Ed25, I agree with you on your point and that opinions should be respected. I also agree that Karius is not great yet but should be given time to prove that he can be, just like Mingo was given 3 years and he bottled it and that`s a fact. That is not my argument, really.

My argument is the fact that people are being unfair to Karius by highlighting one-off mistakes and conveniently overlooking his good sides, all in a bid to discredit him in favor of a GK who has shown after three years, to be a flop. That is the part I will not accept as that is not being fair to him. Again, Karius has not been great and has a long way to go BUT he`s not cost us games. Mingo has been awful and HAS cost us games for three years hence, comparing a GK with 3 year LFC experience to one of with 7 games LFC experience, is what I find pathetically dishonest and unfair. That is not slating people for their opinions. That is calling out moral dishonesty which in this case, is as clear as water.

{Ed025's Note - moral dishonesty is a bit harsh hamilton its just differing views that supporters have...if everyone thought the same things mate it would be a boring old game...and we would all be evertonians.. :)

26.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 20:07:01
You didn't read the bottom part of my post thete ed, but ill give you a reply anyway haha joking.

Listen mignolet is trully trully terribke, isn't this 3 years of beint number one. uncontested, new contract off klopp. everything needes. And yet still terrible

Also you can hardly use when he first arrived he was the best thing since sliced bread. that is every player, dkesnt mean they all work out or as good as what was thought.

I just want you to do me one favor. tell me 3 great attributes of mig which make him a keeper good enough for us. Without using shot stopper or any variation! I think the following can be excluded. kicking. handling. corners. sweeping. one on ones. second saves (getting off his ****ing arse after making a minimal requirment save for 69 k a week) . short passing. long passing. throwing. footwork.

Get back when you can say he is a good goal keeper for other reasons than were bad fans. we should support him. just someelse to pick on "playing violin" . he's better than karius hahaha

Oh and this isn't to say karius is good enough for us yet btw just quite simply he is better than mignolet. PERIOD.

{Ed025's Note - your a harsh man supermane, you probably said the same about torres...one minute "fernando torres liverpools No9 "..the next "could,nt hit a bulls arse with a banjo that spanish idiot"..oh how fickle supporters can be, now im not saying migs is the second coming or anything but at least show the guy a bit of respect mate...hes still a liverpool player and when he pulls on the shirt should be backed to the hilt, loyalty does not seem to mean the same as it did years ago...or maybe its me being cynical in my old age.. :)

27.) 02 Dec 2016
02 Dec 2016 21:08:59
Ed, I think you are missing the point. It`s not about supporting or not supporting an LFC player or differing opinions. It`s about being fair in one`s appraisal or criticisms of a player. Mingo has been here three years and has been awful and I`m sure many of those who sing his praise (for reasons beyond me as they seem to have short memories) wanted him gone. In comes Karius and just because he had a shaky start (which Mingo had when he first came here, mind you), he should be binned in favor of the flop we know of. That is what is dishonest. I`d rather go with the talent and potential than go with a proven flop. There is my point and it is not too complicated to understand.

{Ed025's Note - i think you have made the point more lucid this time hamilton, you sounded as though you were putting him in the same bracket as hitler and maggie thatcher mate (maggie was worse)...im glad we cleared that one up mate..