18 Jan 2017 15:53:06
Hey Ed01,

Hope you are doing great mate. Will quickly get to what I wanted to ask you.

1. Isn't klopp carrying the baggage from utd game for far too long now? Shouldnt we just move on to the next game than disect that in pressers?

2. That stat where opts says Liverpool played more long balls than united this season. I am kinda finding it difficult to place when exactly did that happen. I have seen most of our games this season and I don't seem to agree with that stat. Are clearances hoofed by our defence botching thay stat?

Thanks as always! Good day!

{Ed001's Note - 1. No, he is just making certain the players pick up their performance in the next match.

2. No idea, OPTA stats are not a useful tool in that kind of context. It is a pointless thing to even look at. It is arbitrary decisions on what is a long ball and what is not. Though you seem to have forgotten slid balls through to a forward that he races onto, cross field passes etc can all be long balls.}

1.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 17:09:56
I think you need to check again United have played 510 long balls . Liverpool only played 478.

2.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 17:15:05
I just read a sky sports article on long balls that places us 15th and unt 12th, what can we gather from that? It's all bo****ks and you can manipulate stats however you want

3.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 17:48:28
ball went back to migs a fair few times and he launched it up the pitch, also counts as a long ball

4.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 17:50:09
Opta long balls are anything over 35 yards and into space. not directly played to a team mate based on the details I have read.

5.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 17:48:28
ball went back to migs a fair few times and he launched it up the pitch, also counts as a long ball

6.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 17:50:09
Opta long balls are anything over 35 yards and into space. not directly played to a team mate based on the details I have read.

7.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 18:08:19
Bit of a pointless discussion really if your comparing utds use of the long ball compared to Liverpool

Why?


Utd use it only when Carrick is either not playing or is covering as centre back during play as they have no other sensible option to do with the ball due to lack of talent and creativity in midfield.

Liverpool use it for fast counter attacking, for example firmino is the furthest man up front and central with lallana maybe 15-20 yards back further but in a wide position. As we deal with whatever defensive pressure we are under lallana will pick up the ball out wide taken from a pass of maybe 20-30ish yards run maybe 5 strides the hit a diagonal ball for firmino and then BANG! Ball in the net.
That's the real difference in my opinion.

Don't count them, compare how the long ball is used and it's effectiveness, between the 2 and you will see an ocean of a difference then and only then.

{Ed025's Note - that sounds to me like its ok for liverpool to do it as its tactical, but if utd use it its hoofball, now why doesn,t that surprise me?..

8.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 18:46:30
Ed025

It's the truth mate. little partisan and rose-tinted about it. But you already know that now, don't you? Lol

{Ed025's Note - i can hardly deny it suko, some of the posters do make me smile.. deluded or what?.. :)

9.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 19:50:54
Ah ed025

Stop being a hater

😂😂

{Ed025's Note - im not a hater savvy..just a realist mate..

10.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 20:08:35
Ed did you not see the difference in let's use the utd game for example.

Utd in the second half kicked the ball from maybe around 10 yards outside their box to the edge of our box and hoping either Martial or ibrahahimovic could get a knock down and hope somebody was running onto that.

Compared to our defence working it out to midfield or the wings quickly and 2-3 passes later we have yet another shot on target, there's a real difference between the 2 and I am a realist as well by the way.

Have always called it as I've seen it and just to butter you up a little I was never Henderson biggest fan either since he joined but he does have his moments now and again.

😉😉😉

{Ed025's Note - its just differen means to an end savvy, none of them is wrong or right mate just different ways to create a chance mate..

11.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 20:15:08
Agreed but one is a lot more exciting to watch than the other which I think was the original OP point at the top of this thread.

{Ed025's Note - in your opinion i would say savvy, i actually along with many others would prefer it to tikka takka which is incredibly boring..but i suppose it takes all sorts mate..

12.) 18 Jan 2017
18 Jan 2017 21:02:44
Theres a difference between puttinf fellani up top and hoofing it up to him and your cb switxhing the ball to your lw like lovren does whichever side he plays a lot of the time.