06 Sep 2017 06:22:02
AOC coming to liverpool can only be a good thing for england. It will mean a predominantly liverpool midfield. Hendo, lallana and AOC. Looking forward to seeing lallana and AOC together. Think they will be devastating. Anyone who doubts AOC ability must be blind. He is a brilliant player and I honestly think klopp will tugn him into one of the best players in the league. A proper technical player with blistering pace and great counter attacking ability.


1.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 06:47:55
I have watched him for more than 5 years at Arsenal
And I highly doubt his ability. I am wrong but what are his abilities other than PACE! Do you know any? please list it. Lol a Technical player! If he was one he would be playing in the center midfield at Arsenal!

He is the same AOX who got dog abuse from the same Liverpool fans an year ago! Things changes so quickly don't they?


2.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 06:50:31
I Expect Eric Dier to retain his place in the midfield and it would one of Wilshere or Henderson partnering him.


3.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 07:02:54
You say you've been watching Arsenal for 5 years yet then say jack wheelchair will compete with hendo for and England place? Strange one that.


4.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 07:16:14
Oh well, Beware mate. What if klop buys Wilshere next summer? He could quickly become the next Alonso for liverpool fans! It's so simple! People change their opinions when players trade their clubs. Lol!

And regarding England. There are no half decent CM in the country that could actually play consistently! Dier is a good holding mid so I expect him to start ahead of Hendo in that role and who else we do we have who is a typical ball playing CM! Name one?

{Ed001's Note - of course they change their opinions, that is because your views change over time, unlike yours, which change immediately.....

Anyway, the point is you judge a player, once they have signed, on how they perform for you, not on how they performed in the past. The only thing that matters is how Ox does in a Liverpool shirt, just like any other player at the club.}


5.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 07:29:50
Dier allows Hendo to get forward a lot more and he is an ok holding mid. Nowhere near as good as Hendo but he is capable. So I am pleased to have Eric in the midfield coz Hendo was part of all England's good football the other night.

I think AOC will surprise everyone and very quickly become a fans favourite. League football is a lot different from international footy. We dill see Alex playing free flowing football. Say what you want about wenger but he was/ is an amazing manager, so is klopp and conte and they all really wanted AOC. Offering ridiculous wages. The lad took the offer that offered the least money and this is the contract that will define his career. I already really like him for that. Guarantee that he scores more for liverpool than he did for arsenal.

We know arsenal have played some of the sweetest football ever over the years and AOC was a part of fat. In my opinion he is far better suited to klopps heavy metal style of football than wenger silent orchestra. Hendo is on the opponent very quickly, not giving them time to think. Often winning the ball and setting off the wingers. I can see the ox getting stuck in like Hendo and lallana do and quickly closing the opposition down and using his strength to win the ball.

Gerrard knows what he is talking about and he thinks AOC is a "very very good signing" that's good enough for me.

{Ed001's Note - I think Dier is better in the holding role personally, he is much better than you give him credit for. Very well coached in Portugal, to be a much better player than people seem to realise.

As for Gerrard, he thought Joe Cole was a great signing and could be our 'Messi'. He even reckoned Cole was trickier than Messi ffs. His eye for a player must be in question!}


6.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 07:40:49
Dier ahead of Hendo? Did you watch him vs Slovakia? Hendo was the only one taking the game forward.

{Ed001's Note - different types of players, Hendo is better at driving forward, Dier is better in the holding role. Dier has a better understanding of defending and when to drop in and become a centre back and when to move out wide and cover the fullbacks. If it was just a central midfielder, there is no competition, Henderson is a better central midfielder, but he is still learning the holding role and it does hinder one of his main assets, those driving forward runs.}


7.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 08:04:49
I'll accept that ed. People often debate Hendo on here and a lot of his game isn't seen on the camera. I guess dier is a bit like that too with his role for england. Don't gdt me wrong, I do like dier, Got a bit of steel about him and he will only get better.

I do think the ox will be good for us. If he does get z midfield role imagine how quickly Hendo znd Alex will close down opposition. When lallana is back, teams won't get two seconds on the ball in midfield.

{Ed001's Note - sorry mate, I should have been clearer in my original post, I was only talking about the holding role. It is a very specialised role and few players do it as well as Dier, if any.}


8.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 08:05:20
My take on ox, I think klopp has brought him in for his speed a bit like salah/ manè but from the centre for the specific task of transition after winning the ball back to driving at the oppositions defence for which I think he'll be ideal.


9.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 08:10:36
I rate Dier but i think he is being wasted in midfield. He is the best centre back of this generation of English footballers.

{Ed001's Note - I am not sure I agree, if he does move back, playing in midfield will have improved his play on the ball immensely.}


10.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 08:18:37
Thank heavens Ed01 finally spoke! Dier is the best holding in the league! Henderson is never a holding mid. His best attributes lies elsewhere.

Regarding opinion Ed01. It's simple when liverpool sign a player He quickly become a Pele's or Johan Cryuff's and I just warned people of a posssible scenario in the future.
You can't rule out klop going on for Jack wilshere!

You could only frame an opinion on what you saw / see. And I have seen nothing so far in AOX which excites me!

{Ed001's Note - give it a rest Harry, Klopp has no interest in Wheelchair. No one has said Ox is Pele just because he has signed for Liverpool, except you. You are doing your usual of getting carried away over nothing.}


11.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 08:24:42
Fair point Ed. Good for his development when you look at it that way!


12.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 08:26:58
Harry, why can't you just give the lad a clean slate and judge him in a Liverpool shirt.
5 years at Arsenal played out of position.

Wenger's football is like a symphony, Klopp plays heavy metal football. Can you see a heavy metal guitarist thriving in an orchestra?


13.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 08:30:03
Yeah that's what I thought you meant mate. Like I said earlier, I'm more than happy for dier to play the holding role as I think Hendo thrives a little higher up the pitch. But henfo plays the holding role well for liverpool when given the job too.

Would you swap Hendo for dier ed? I don't think I would but I have to admit I don't watch spurs play that often, except motd. Just interested in your opinion.

Thanks for clearing that up for me ed. Are you excited / dissapointed about AOC?

{Ed001's Note - I would rather keep Hendo and have Dier as well, to allow Hendo more freedom.}


14.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 08:46:55
Would be a sweet signing ed. Yeah I totally agree dude. Hendo is great further up the park.


15.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 08:57:22
Ron

Then this discussion should happen after 5 years. We discuss about players at present. I can't predict what will happen tomorrow or against Man city! I would be happy if AOX proves me wrong in the future. But if you ask an opinion of a player I can only say what I have seen all these times!


16.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 09:33:38
Is this the same Wilshere that nearly signed for Birmingham? Behave yourself Harry. As for Dier, he's a centre back playing in midfield he should be better defensively than Hendo and he has another defensive midfielder sitting beside him for Spurs which makes life a lot easier for him. For me he does a job in there but is nowhere near a Matic for example he just doesn't have enough quality on the ball. Hendo is a better footballer IMO and he's getting better and better at being a leader of the team which is an attribute that shouldn't be underestimated.


17.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 09:47:49
Underestimating Hendo? How about playing out of his comfort zone? He should play where he is good at. A solid ball winner and a good one! Play there and you get the best out from him! Henderson's best attributes is his ability to press and win the ball back! Playing him deeper takes that completely out! It's like playing playing Salah as a CAM!


18.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 10:14:38
Fine Harry, you have an opinion, but your opinion is only of how well he plays in Wenger's team.
Let's give him a chance to succeed in Klopps system before writing him off. 🤝.


19.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 10:55:12
Harry, I am no fan of Ox BUT since he signed, i have put my negativity away and decided to support the boy as he really wanted to come here and help us. is that too much to ask or will you keep slating the boy just to prove a pathetic point that no one else cares about but yourself?

Also, you sure post a lot of "stuff" on this forum and you have once again, posted a whopper. Comparing a crap, overrated and lazy Wilshere to England and LFC capt. who is 3 times the player Wilshere wishes he was, is just laughable and completely comical. We get it, you dislike Hendo and wishes he was gone so Can can be kept BUT he is a very good player and continues to get better with every game.

Did I also mention that he was LFC and England capt.? Clearly, those who made him capt, are mugs and should be sacked cos you don't like him, right? Let it go, man. It's becoming tedious reading your tired posts slating Hendo and comparing him to players who are way inferior to him or to players who do not even play his position.


20.) 06 Sep 2017
06 Sep 2017 14:01:26
Harry, you were saying the same of Salah when we signed him that he wasn't a technical player and was all about pace.