10 Sep 2017 13:47:04
Hi Ed01,

Given how critical were your thoughts on Skrtl, How do you rate Matip now?

We have gone backwards. and Klavan, Matip and Lovern are step down to Skrtl says a lot.

Lovern, being poor atleat wants to fight as a defender but gets 90% wrong but Matip and Klavan seem to be pussies.

Don't want to blame Klavan as he is slow and will not work in this system but Matip thinks he is a xavi and tries over ambituous pass that never succeeds and his defeneding is also very bad.


Would like to know Ed1 from LFC angle and a neutral prespective from Ed25/ Ed2.

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - if you read through I have answered this question numerous times already mate. I have been saying for a while I am not convinced by Matip, but the more I watch him play the less I like what I see.}


1.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 14:10:20
Fair mate.

somtimes we should be careful with what we wish for. Everyone here got pissed with Skrtl and were heaping praise on Matip and getting him on free, were so much of praise on Matip and Klopp.

He also bought Karius and he is making Mignolet look good.

Bought Klavan who is not suited to this system.

And he has bought Ox and god knows what he saw in him that will take us to next level.

Nothing against Klavan or Ox but when we buy should we be looking to improve on what we have and take to next level but they seem to be on par or lower than what we have.

Are the players bad or the fault is in the system? Going 1 man and trailing 2-0, still playing open hoping we outscore.

Is it that difficult to play closed game?

{Ed001's Note - in what way is Karius making Mignolet look good? He has done no such thing and every time he plays has made the team look a lot more confident defensively, unlike Migs. As for Skittles, he was over the hill anyway and had to be replaced, plus he was on big money and wanted more big money to stay. Klavan is just a back up, no idea why so many of you want to keep whining about his buy, you can't get Godin for a back up. You get what you can.}


2.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 14:24:29
This argument is totally flawed because Skrtel is just not better than any of our current choices. We should have been penalised every defending corner when Skrtel was about.


3.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 14:25:01
If Klopp thinks Sakho was a mere back up to Lovren who could be replaced by a slow moving Klavan, Then problem lies with Klopp. Klavan shoukd have never brought. And with Matip it's just like typical liverpool fans. Free signing means bargain lol!


4.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 14:33:25
To improve the team you should always try and buy better than what you already have, then the player you have replaced becomes back up.


5.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 14:47:42
I will still prefer skrtyl than Matip, Klavan and Lovern.

At least he is better at shirt pulling than others without doubt and is better overall in relation to what we have now.

Cheers.


6.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 15:04:10
Our problem is not necessarily the personel.
Klopp has a system which leaves the defence wide open all the time. Ok our defenders are not great but they don't have much chance when there's a gaping hole in front of them for opponents to exploit. A lot of the time we are playing with the formation 2 defenders and 8 attackers.
Either Klopp tweaks his system or our defence will always look poor regardless of who's playing.


7.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 15:21:40
Cbs should be scary. Ours aren't simply. Klavan has played well for liverpool but was well out of his depth yesterday. I cannot understand why we signed him. Liverpool won't win the league until we have some top top cbs. Mat hummers and vvd would be great. We need to offer some big money for some big cbs. It will pay dividends.


8.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 15:34:47
Well said Ron. Let's not forget we were up against a very very good city side.


9.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 16:46:10
Thing is ed, I get that Klavan is back up, but would you really play him in a game against City rather than Gomez or Lovren (given that both Lovren and Gomez were both on the bench)? You know he's liable to make at least one critical error which results in a goal every game. By picking him ahead of both of them says he's more than just back up.

{Ed001's Note - he was not picked ahead of both of them, it is rotation. Would I do so? No, but I do not have access to the data to know if Lovren was fit enough to start after the internationals.}


10.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 17:49:36
I didn't think Maldini was scary but he's one of the best defenders I've ever seen.


11.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 21:52:21
Skrtel was hapless and I'm glad he's no longer here. As for the poster who thinks Karius makes Migs lokk good, you need to stop using sun glasses to watch games. Karius is a better GK than Migs and that is clear. He is better with his feet (Arsenal game notwithstanding), more suited to play the high defensive line system due to his agility as a sweeper-keeper, more agile on his line and more authoritative with crosses unlike he was before.

Karius just needs to get a long run in the team for him to either show that or not. Migs has had his run and it has been hopeless, overall. Why we persist with him, is still beyond me. As for the selection, we don't have the fitness info that these coaches have so we have to trust their judgement instead of just mouthing off that "why did this or that player not play" w/ o knowing the in's and out's behind that decision.


12.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 11:26:29
Our defence were shocking yesterday but we are not the only team that city are going to spank this season

OK, this is hard for me to say. city are bloody good aren't they!

If you talk to people inside the game most people will say lovren is our best defender. Perhaps they don't watch the boys week in week out as we do but I think that's the general concensus. Not one of the back five were any good yesterday. I was surprised to hear pundits on motd talking about how vvd and lovren would be great together. Matip looks good against lesser opposition because he can pick a pass and he looks composed. When the going gets tough it is lovren who is willing to fight. And let's not forget, lovren has to cover for moreno when he goes running.

Look, we were away, at the best side in the league (with world's best manager) we lost our best player and still tried to play football. The score line flatters city because I don't think they are that much better than us. Maybe better but not five goals better.

I think we've just been beaten by the best team in the league and one of top five teams in Europe.

Liverpool can build the best attacking team in the world but if we don't have a good enough base/ defence then it's pointless.

Despite what people say, I think klopp is a fantastic manager and a clever bloke. He will learn from this, I bet it doesn't happen again.

So much of this summers transfers are geared toward breaking the so called lesser teams down it looks like we forgot about playing the big teams. I still think liverpool could do with a true cf. We missed Adam lallana big time yesterday. We missed Clyne also, taa may end up a better player but Clyne has pl experience and for me is still the best RB at the club (except maybe Milner who I wish had started at RB yesterday) and of course we missed coutinio. In the big games ads and pipco really come to life.

Not the end of the world guys, I still believe our first eleven is as strong as anyone's when ALL players are fit. Our best players last year were pc ads and mane and we were without them all for most of the game.

Karius needs a decent run.


13.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 11:28:32
Karius is so much better than mignolet. Even if it is just to settle the back four.

You do realise that when a defender has an option to make a pass back to the keeper and see flapper in the sticks they will hesistae and the rest of the tram will go into panic.

That's why players like has hesistae to make a simple pass back to the keeper. They have no confidence, not just in his passing ability but also wether they will be given it straight back in a more pressured position.