06 Jan 2018 00:35:29
Average performance but a great win in the end. I'm guna give Holgate the benefit of the doubt and assume he really thinks Firmino said something out of order, and isn't just trying to stir the pot out of spite. I think most people saw what Bobby said, that won't stop the PC brigade whipping up a frenzy though.

1.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 00:43:16
Shouldn't have bloody pushed him in the first place, it was stupid and I don't blame firmino for reacting.

2.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 00:44:53
I saw the match and could not tell what Firmino said - please elaborate.

3.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 00:45:49
I thought firmino may have done a naughty and went racial.

{Ed025's Note - i would say you are wrong..

4.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 00:45:50
The lad spoke Portuguese, no benefit of the doubt for Holgate. From what I could translate nothing was said, none of it was in English. If Holgate speaks Portuguese fair enough but the lad looks like he struggles with his laces. If it’s a false accusation I’d love to see a slander claim filed. IF Jt comes out Firmino said something of that nature, which I HIGHLY doubt, he deserve red a band and fine. But, accusing someone falsely of it deserves an equal sentence.

{Ed025's Note - it looks like a misunderstanding in the heat of the moment to me JBLP..

5.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 00:52:25
Not that I believe Bobby would make a racist comment, but I would imagine Holgate genuinely thinks he has done to react like that and the ref will have to report it if a complaint has been made. Can anyone lip read though cus I haven’t a clue however I bet my bottom dollar the ref went to the 4th official to tell him the Spanish/ Portuguese words he heard so he didn’t have to remember them. Strange that Holgate has deleted his Twitter though.

6.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 00:55:29
It would of had to been in english for colgate to understand. The referee was right there. He has simply lied to keep himself on the pitch. Imagine if the ref sent someone off who was "racially abused" he would never live it down. Ref bottled it, colgate lied. putting my neck on the line with this, but i've seen every camera angle and using the fact the ref hasn't sent him off, im calling colgate a liar.

{Ed025's Note - you are guessing benny...bad idea...its people like you who got the likes of timothy evans hanged..

7.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 00:59:21
U make a good point JBLP, but unfortunately there are rarely any charges for false accusations. Mud sticks so I hope this all gets sorted out quickly coz it really does seem something over nothing.

{Ed025's Note - i agree..

8.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 01:00:16
People that lip read it say he said the Portuguese version of "are you mad? You son of a b***h"

9.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 01:00:17
Words to the effect of 'crazy son of a . '. Nothing in it.

10.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 01:01:16
Firmino's exact words are "Filho da p*ta" = motherf*cker. if that results in retrospective action then I'm pretty sure the premiership will no longer take place as all players will be banned.

{Ed025's Note - iv had to read it all night from the "filo da p*ta,s on here..

11.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 01:05:56
Been translated and Firmino said "Are you crazy? Are you crazy? You son of a bitch". And as Firmane commented, Holgate should never have pushed him to begin with.

12.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 01:07:57
Strong example ed but ostensibly true. Can't just come up with scenarios in your head and call it truth.

{Ed025's Note - im amazed by people on these pages WRKD...not only are most of them fluent in portugese...they are also expert lip readers...and now mystic benny baller can tell when someone is telling the truth or not!!...i do despair at times mate..

13.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 01:11:08
Thing is ed, if someone accuses you of such things it can seriously kill your reputation an destroy lifes. i've seen it happen, as im sure many people have. I honestly think nothing will come of it, all will be forgotten. But that will only confirm colgates lies as he will go quiet with embarrassment. He told the referee he's been called a N. If its proven no one said that, do you think colgate should be punished? honestly?

{Ed025's Note - its all heat of the moment stuff benny and we will probably never know the real truth, things get said and people can be confused at to what has been said or not, what we cant do imo is call someone a liar until it has been proven that that is the case..

14.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 01:15:02
Ed025's Note - iv had to read it all night from the "filo da p*ta, s on here.
Haha awesome ED.

{Ed025's Note - cheers mate..

15.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 01:28:26
Yea well i suggest you follow my lead and leave them to it for the night. I heard Bobby Madley banged their heads together in the space between two frames of a camera shot and told them to get on with it.

Good on you anyway ed, i know i wouldn't much fancy the toffee gloating. Off to dream dreams of Virgil. yes, those dreams. I have an extensive tulip collection and he has large hands with which to hold them all.

{Ed025's Note - your right mate im off too...goodnight..

16.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 01:36:55
HE definitely said the word puta that's for sure.

17.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 04:27:05
I live in Portugal half the year, and I don’t have a clue what was said. so not sure how Holgate could have.

18.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 01:57:58
A bit strong Ed025.lol. I'll take it on the chin but was simply commenting given the story that came out on GiveMeSport and a couple of other outlets suggesting very similar lip-readings and translations. Or was this thread NOT about what was allegedly said?

{Ed025's Note - i was just trying to lighten the mood reynard mate..

19.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 02:03:09
Ed25, just saying that what i thoight firmino may have done given holgate's reaction, have no evidence to that tho and obviously hope not!

{Ed025's Note - we all hope not faith..

20.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 07:31:59
FYI.
"Filha de P#ta" means son of a bi! CH

I am Portuguese, so just letting you know.

{Ed001's Note - it is irrelevant, it was just a misunderstanding that was quickly sorted out. There has been no allegations of any kind of racism coming out of the Everton camp.}

21.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 08:27:29
Ed25 "things get said and people can be confused at to what has been said or not" that is simply not true. Colgate clearly tells the referee he's been called a N. he clearly says this. You need to stop defending him and acting as if though it's nothing, the only thing worse than racism is making it up.
Ed001 of course there's no allegations coming out of the Everton camp now. Because Colgate has been caught out like I said, and he's hiding with embarrassment. Has also deleted his twitter. Nothing will come out, it'll all be forgotten, but why if Colgate is so adamant he was called the N word?
The homophobe could of ruined firminos career.

{Ed025's Note - your guessing again benny, i will never defend racism in any form or false allegations, you are just looking for a scapegoat here when to me it looks like a case of a misunderstanding thats been lost in translation, you do seem to be a hang people before the trial sort of guy and i think you need to wait until things become clearer before wielding your axe mate..

22.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 09:07:46
Honestly regardless of any potential misunderstanding I think holgate should be retrospectively punished for that push. He can clearly see what's going to happen and a push like that cold night with a barrier to avoid could easily have caused an injury. I would like to think Bobby said nothing racist and hydrate thought he heard something if he accuses him but I think this will all get swept away honestly.

{Ed025's Note - the ref seen the incident so there will be no retrospective punishment meted out for the "nudge" shane, i see that the cold weather is now a factor in the trial of the attempted murder of firmino...bloody amazing..

23.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 09:15:43
I don't for one second ser how it can be a misunderstanding, especially with the ref in between them. Bobby was directly in front of them both. He either said it in English which would have been understood or Holgate has learnt Portugese. I think Holgate has played the ref, i might be wrong and i would accept anybody elses opinion. This is just how i see it.

24.) 06 Jan 2018
06 Jan 2018 09:18:03
Hang people before trial kind of guy 😂😂😂😂.