08 Jan 2018 08:59:31
Just heard a bloke chatting Klopp's options in terms of Mignolrt and Marius.
Says the choice facing Klopp is like choosing which of his testicles to be kicked.
WTF?

This what the fanbase has come to? If not this is "deadwood". Embarrassing jeysus.
Luckily for him he boarded before I could floor him.

Whatever we think of ability, let's respect our players. I fear though that social has entrenched these keyboard warrior tendencies. Emboldens people to be exceedingly prickly.

1.) 08 Jan 2018
08 Jan 2018 09:36:25
What do we actually owe footballers though?

We've just given everything to coutinho and he's left? We have our all to Suarez and he left. Don't even start me on Torres.

I just feel people like Wenger prove there is absolutely no place either side for sentiment.

I'd cancel both karius and mugs contract right now if I was in charge. Both an absolute waste of space and doing us no favours. It's also players like that which contribute to our inability yo keep our big big players by simply not being good enough to lace the gaffer boots let alone put on the kit and walk out at anfield.

2.) 08 Jan 2018
08 Jan 2018 10:04:03
The only wastes of space are "supporters" who whine incessantly and claim to know more about the players than Klopp does.

3.) 08 Jan 2018
08 Jan 2018 10:06:55
I can't understand people slaging Karius. He was never given the run he needa to prove himself. Last season he came from different league, broke his hand and he needed little bit extra time but people jumped on his back so much and Klopp was forced to bench him or otherwise his confidence would be destroyed to 0.

4.) 08 Jan 2018
08 Jan 2018 10:07:43
So basically RBL you didn't agree with someone's views and your first thought was to floor them?
If we keep settling for mediocrity we will end up mediocre. And I agree with Winston, to keep our best players they need to play with the best players, then it will be easy to attract the other top players and get back to the top and remain on top.
Tip top.

5.) 08 Jan 2018
08 Jan 2018 10:13:30
I think we owe any player giving their best for Liverpool respect. They didn't choose their level of ability and they certainly didn't force the club to sign them either.

As long as a player is working hard on and off the pitch, they don't deserve to be abused. However, they also don't deserve a free pass on judgement, because they get paid an absolute fortune to play football at the end of the day.

For example I'd say this is arguably acceptable:

"We need to sign a new keeper because the current options aren't good enough to take us forward"

However I'd say this is arguably unacceptable:

"Our keepers are an absolute waste of space and a disgrace to the shirt"

There is a very fine line between constructive criticism and abuse. Where that line is, is also entirely subjective though. In the heat of the moment everyone (and i include myself in this) is guilty at times of crossing that line. It is when it becomes continued abuse (or a personal vendetta) and when people start directing it at the individual themselves, that it becomes totally unacceptable and inexcusable.

I don't think Mignolet is good enough for Championship football, and I've made that point clear on here. What i don't do, is try and turn every single thread into an excuse to abuse him, or question him as a person. As a player who profits from us fans, we have a right to question his performance levels. He's still a human being though.

I throw all of this out the window though when a tool like Suarez bites someone and threatens to take us to court, just to get a move. Then i say short of actually making threats, anything else is fair game and they asked for it. Respect has to earned continually.

6.) 08 Jan 2018
08 Jan 2018 10:25:14
Can’t see what Karius has done to deserve the criticism to be honest . I’m sure with VVD in front of him now they will start understanding each other more and will gain more confidence in each other . But he needs a good run in the starting 11 and be given the chance .

7.) 08 Jan 2018
08 Jan 2018 10:34:13
These "waste of space" don't select themselves. They don't retain themselves as Liverpool players. It's the gaffer that you speak of who makes these decisions. And like it or not, the gaffer has for whatever reason retained Karius and Mignolet.

Are you fit to lace the gaffer's boots? If not, respect his choices. If you are, STILL. respect the gaffer's choices. It's neither here nor there really the fitness to lace anybody's boots.

For as long as they are still Liverpool players, carry themselves with dignity, show them support and extend similar decorum to them.
Dunno if helps anyone incessantly belittling and mocking a player except drain his confidence.
Then you got a player who's shot to sh*t.

I suspect myself that much of the deadwood actually is found in and comprises of the fanbase.
Sure you don't have to be a player's big fan or sugar coat anything. But you don't have to be an are too.

I ask: how many of the fanbase are fit to lace Liverpool FC's boots? Some would say very few. Many would say the fanbase has entitlement mentality. I say the fanbase is pathetic and unworthy of the club they purport to support.

8.) 08 Jan 2018
08 Jan 2018 10:37:47
Spot on RBL and MK. TIA, we (as you are not the only one) not settling for mediocrity is very different from raining personal and verbal assault on a human being, period. The fact people (not you) use the pathetic excuse that they are voicing their opinions, to use frankly vile, disgusting abuse on players (who are human beings by the way) is the reason why Ed02 will always be correct in saying that a fraction of the LFC fan base are outright tosh with the level of abuse they give to players they may not like and the OP's point just proved it. Comparing a human being to a human being is something even Trump would not have said. DISGUSTING!

9.) 08 Jan 2018
08 Jan 2018 11:20:58
BRover oh I absolutely agree with you. I don't believe in abusing players, I think it's childish. But I also don't agree with people wanting to floor people because they don't share the same view, which is why I commented. RBL wanted those fans to show our players respect whilst he himself was showing those fans no respect, and has affectively come on here and ripped into them. the very thing he had a problem them doing about our players. But I agree, abuse is something i want nowhere near our club.

10.) 08 Jan 2018
08 Jan 2018 12:06:05
TIA19 - Sorry but that seems like a false equivalency though. Not all opinions are created equal and when ones 'opinion' is nothing more than poorly disguised abuse, then it deserves shooting down in a way that highly negative but basically respectful opinions dont. The defense of abusive people by 'everyone deserves to have their opinion heard' just doesn't work. Contrary to popular belief, opinions are very capable of being wrong and when they are, it should be pointed out clearly (and if you want to question that, I would like to remind you that there are people on this planet who have the opinion that the earth is flat) .

11.) 08 Jan 2018
08 Jan 2018 15:35:45
Wonder what was said to Emre Can vs Everton near the end of the game by the Liverpool "fan" that made him react. Abuse no doubt.
If you can't support your own, then go elsewhere.
You'll Never Walk Alone is the motto/ anthem of the club but sadly these days many don't get it.

We have moved into a new era with regards to "fan" abuse since social media came out of the mud.
The things I have read online about Mignolet and the likes make me sick and I have seen just about everything in this world that there is to see.