09 Mar 2018 12:36:07
Amazed to see people saying Can isn't good enough for Real Madrid.

I'm not saying he's world class, and his attitude stinks at times in this last year at Liverpool. He probably doesn't suit our style of play either to be fair.

However this is a 24 year old who has played 228 games for club and country playing RB, CB, LB, CDM or CM. He has been shifted from pillar to post and always done a job at a very high level. Just look at who he has played for! His managers have always tried to find a place in the team for him.

If Heynckes, Hyypia, Rodgers, Klopp and Lowe think he is good enough, why won't Zidane? There is at least 3 hugely respected coaches in that list.

This isn't some journeyman player. He is Champions League quality and if he got games for Munich, Leverkusen, Liverpool and Germany, believe me when I say he will get games at Real Madrid!

Liverpool has offered him a contract so Klopp obviously would like him to stay, but he is choosing to leave us to better himself (in his opinion) . I'm not hugely bothered by him leaving but that is because of the quality Liverpool has more than the quality Can doesn't have. Henderson, Keita and Ox are all more suited to our team, and equally good players.


1.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 13:02:26
I do agree with this, I think he'd do well at RM and if that's what he chooses to do good luck to the lad. He definitely would get games, some saying he wouldn't even make the bench, come off it.

Suddenly because its 99% certain he's leaving people act like he's not a good player, sour grapes? he's part of our great team he can quite easily be a part of RM's.


2.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 13:11:44
It is only a couple of weeks ago you wanted him dropped for Mattie Virtue. You can't change your mind every month. He is not and never will be a top level midfield player. I have to admit at one stage a couple of years ago I thought he would improve into a great player, but he is limited technically and doesn't have good enough movement.

Let us see how many games in plays in the world cup. He might make the odd substitute appearance but that will be it at best.


3.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 13:21:09
As you can see from my name im a fan of Can, don't see the Madrid link being true at all though. Because of his contract situation he's going to be linked to just about every big team in Europe. If it was true i think it would be a terrible career move for him though.


4.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 13:21:31
Stopped reading after the first sentence Adam man. Can is no where near good enough for Real Madrid.
I mean unless they want to stop winning champion leagues and La Ligas.


5.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 13:29:46
Markp08, you've paraphrased badly there mate. I wanted him dropped for a lack of effort. He was visibly coasting. I even had that exact discussion at the time with someone. Another poster argued with me that Can was trying his best but just isn't that good, and my argument was that he is very good but wasn't putting in any effort. I've never questioned his ability, only his commitment.

In recent weeks he has seemingly been trying harder so I've laid off of him a bit.


6.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 13:38:11
A few weeks ago after the 2 defeats everyone wanted him dropped, including many that now think he is great. People need to stop changing opinions every few games.


7.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 13:48:47
Im astounded Can is a regular in the Liverpool team. I would have him as back-up not a first teamer. He loses the ball way too often and has little impact in most games. He would do better in Italy where he would have more space and time.


8.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 13:50:41
Ok MK I seem to recall the jist of it.

He needed to improve but he hasn't. If Klopp can't improve him I think he has reached his final level.


9.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 13:53:55
I just don't see it. He's capable, good even, but he's a long way from great and Real are looking for great players.

If he was really top quality he would have established himself as first choice in our midfield by now and would be a game changer but he's just not at that level.

I'm fascinated to see where he'll end up but i won't be surprised if it's not a top club.

{Ed001's Note - has he not established himself as first choice in our 3 in the centre? He certainly seems to be Klopp's go to in there in most games.}


10.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 13:54:22
Big Emre do you think he is better now than he was 2 years ago? He is still exactly the same for me.


11.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 14:00:12
red lorry, I agree that he would be suited in a poor Italian league. But I disagree on the other point I think he is good enough for us this year. You can't say Gini or Milner are better.


12.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 14:38:10
Emre Can brings something that none of our other midfielders does, he is playing for the best international team out there, and if we can't get him to sign a new contract, we need to go out and buy a player that can do the same job as he does.


13.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 14:38:56
I like Can, he is a good player who can dominate games at times but other times he looks pretty shocking. I can't see him being a player Madrid would be interested in when he is so inconsistent. Only Can knows if he was coasting and lacking effort, which i doubt he was. Very easy to come out with such comments and very difficult to prove. Inconsistent? Yes but not lacking effort or motivation imo.


14.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 14:43:14
Ed, I would say he plays more due to circumstance than he's established himself. If Coutinho was still here or if Lallana or Henderson hadn't had their injuries i think he'd get a lot less game time. Also, if Klopp doesn't see him as a starter next season to me that means he's not established, he's just filling a gap.

{Ed001's Note - if if if. Pointless talking about ifs. He plays more often than he doesn't, Klopp wanted him to stay. That is enough.}


15.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 14:44:45
No worries Mark. You weren't far from the truth. I did say I wanted him dropped but it was purely because of a perceived lack of commitment. As a player, I think he's very good.

I also never said I wanted him dropped for Virtue. I said something along the lines of "I would even rather Virtue played because at least he'd put in effort".

I don't for one second think Virtue is the best alternative nor do I think he is a better player than Can. I was just frustrated that Can was playing so badly because I think if he applies himself he can be fantastic. He dominated Dr Bruyne at Anfield. That takes some doing!


16.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 15:54:39
I think Can is a very good player but I don’t think he will ever be world class, if he goes to Madrid I don’t think he will last more than a couple of seasons there. If he leaves us I will be disappointed but not devastated.


17.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 16:06:57
Ed, with the greatest respect the fact Klopp wants him to stay isn't the point. Klopp only sees him as a squad player which is why Can wants out, I'm basing this off of what you've told us. As I said in my first reply, Can's a decent player but I struggle to see him succeeding at a club like Real.

{Ed001's Note - ok.}


18.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 17:02:00
I clearly remember when Can first joined us, I was very impressed. I loved the positive aggression, the powerful runs from the back 3 Rodgers had stuck him into, and his brutish never say die attitude. He could head the ball, make good tackles and rarely get bullied off the ball. And he'd pop in a decisive goal from inside or just outide the box, once in a while. I thought of him as future Captain material (and even posted it here) .

Four years later I have this sense of unachieved potential as far as his development is concerned. Maybe it's the regular changes in position by the two managers, maybe certain injuries, maybe he's still too young, maybe our style of play or maybe even the way he wants to play. I see him now as a player who is good in several areas but not really good in any one particular area. I also think that the gradually improving standard of our team, in the Klopp years, is probably why I am thinking the way I am. Can clearly likes the box to box role most because he likes the offensive aspect just as much as the defensive. But the moment Klopp signed Keita, it was always going to be near impossible to keep him beyond the contract. And I have a suspicion he will end up elsewhere in the EPL, otherwise he would have signed up with Juventus already by now. It's too risky to see what happens until after the World Cup. There is as much to lose as there is to gain, there.


19.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 17:03:28
I prefer emre before lallana and wijnaldum.


20.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 18:45:03
Can is a very good capable player. I agree with MK that a few months back he was coasting, but these last few months he has stepped up and been an important player. Personally I’d like him to stay, but if he goes and he goes to another top team and not an oil team then fair play to him.


21.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 19:02:27
Ed01 correct me if I’m mistaken but I thought you said can wanted to go as klopp didn’t rate him? Again I might of got my wires crossed.

{Ed001's Note - he wants to go because he doesn't feel Klopp wants him as a first choice. However Klopp clearly does not want to use any of his midfielder in every game, which is what Can wants. Klopp wants to rotate and rest them.}


22.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 19:11:06
Considering he's played 228 games, plays in this position and that position, rated by blah de blah, plays for Germany, wanted by all these 'superior' teams etc etc yadda yadda yadda, I still feel completely indifferent to him leaving or staying.

I just think if we came up against him, I wouldn't be scared by him or worried about his quality. We'd walk around him, pick off the passes he misplaces and utilise the space he often leaves behind.

He'd be ok for Juventus because they're more compact and slow. He wouldn't last long at Madrid as he doesn't possess the technical ability they require.


23.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 19:17:41
Sadly football has become a business as well as a sport. If a top team can get a player like Emre can for free I think a lot of teams will go for it. I couldn't see him being worth less than 50mil in todays market, and I feel that is being Conservative. He is a top midfielder who is already playing at the top level, to say he "can't make it at top level" is stupid, he already plays for a good champions league team.

That said I don't think he is our best cm, I like hendo and Aoc better and milner and lallana on form are easily as dangerous as Emre but, and it's quite a big but, he is our only bruiser. It's sad for the purists out there but you need a "big man" in your midfield most of the time and Emre, like souness, can play well too (I'm not saying can is souness level, that would be daft)

I feel we will be losing someone who will go on to be regarded as one of the best centre midfielders in the world, I am surprised our German manager couldn't win him round. But if he goes then I won't start to hate him as long as he puts in 100% until that day, which I have to say, I'm not sure he is atm.


24.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 22:04:42
Can isn't as good defensively as Casemiro, or as technically brilliant as Kroos or Modric.
However, I think he will bring a different dynamism to Madrid's midfield. Anyone that thinks he won't play IMO is simply bitter.
Emre is good, he will play.
Him leaving though doesn't disturb me much. With the way Ox has played and with Naby coming in, I'm comfortable.
The player we need to get a backup for, is Henderson. He's the one we miss when he isn't there.
If we get a Jorginho or similar type player, then we're good. And then a Meyer/ Lemar type to play in the midfield 3 or the attacking 3.
Instead of being bitter about Emre, let him go where he chooses and hope he plays well. Let's focus on those that will stay in the club.


25.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 22:55:24
Markup
“Technically limited” like how? His passing is top class! He has a brilliant first touch much like other Germans. How on earth would he get into Real or Juventus is he is technically limited? You mean they are buying him coz he look so heavy?


26.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 22:57:25
Can has had number of games to cement his place and he has failed.

Imagine getting a place in RM or Bayern. It isn't easy if you can't hold down a place here.

He was/ is an average player who got multiple opportunities as we lacked good players in that position and still has failed to convince. (cement his name as a starter)

So good luck to him wherever he goes.

Cheers.


27.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 23:32:53
Dont worry people Keita is Can replacement. I will choose Keita 10 times before Can but i hope he stays.


28.) 10 Mar 2018
10 Mar 2018 04:34:05
He doesn't play every week coz klopp rotates the cm position as he does all positions except up front.