27 May 2018 14:55:41
Outside of the keeper errors.

I think last night showed a real lack of quality ( in depth ) . Madrid were acutely aware of this, for when Salah went off, they pushed forward much more.

I really do hope we sign another quality midfielder ( as well as Keita) someone that can change the game for us.

Anyway, we lost, we move on and look forward to next season.

{Ed002's Note - It is called a "game plan" - something Klopp doesn't ever seem to have. Another lesson learned to add.}

1.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 15:16:03
Ed there is no gameplay for the keeper throwing 2 goals away an Salah being injured, I would say he was naive in not bringing in cover up top, his tactics must b above average too get too a champions league final, my worry all season has been lack of cover an it's been exposed in last month.

{Ed002's Note - Other sides have a game plan for perhaps roughing a side up and forcing mistakes. Klopp has none at all, zero. It is no different to him never having a Plan B. Nor to other mistakes he and the club dont appear to be able to stop themselves making - screwing with Buvac when al was going well for example - having the chairman talking to a newspaper about improving the squad this summer and sending the wrong message to the players before a European final. It is all very amateurish still. But you at least know the plan is to keep trying to buy the success which completely eludes them.}

2.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 15:16:54
I love Klopp and he is taking us in the right direction but there is some truth in what Ed2 said. Lallana was 100% the wrong person to bring on, I knew it was game over from there. Yes our bench didn't help but I would have brought on Solanke with his height and whipped in crosses which would have played into Arnold and Robertsons strengths.

3.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 15:38:26
Everything is easy with the benefit of hind legs.

4.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 15:46:07
Ed, haven't been on for a while, that's why i have to ask. Maybe you guys have already answered it but can’t find it. What did Klopp do to Buvac? I mean, since you called it screwed with, it has to be something “nasty”?

And the game plan part I agree with. Don’t know why he does he subs like this but the good in me tells me it’s because of the quality on the bench or something like that. Hope it improves.

And the part about telling the chairman to talk like that is absolutely unheard of. That is not a good piece of manmanagment that.

Have a good one ed.

{Ed002's Note - His opinion was not being listened to. I did not mean that Klopp told the chairman to be such an ass - he managed that on his own.}

5.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 16:08:53
Thank you ed2, pretty much backing up what I said yesterday on reflection of the game and what the result might mean in the future. How detrimental this result COULD be for certain people within the club and how these individuals will have self doubt. Ed2 a respected person on this site has reiterated these point because he sees things from a totally unbiased point of view. I think he can be a bit harsh on the Liverpool fans at times but what he says 90% of the time is the harsh reality. If Klopp is to achieve what he wants to achieve on a personal level which was to bring top honours to Liverpool, he will have to be much more cut throat because his game management and tactics sometimes allude him. There’s no point in the ‘well we had no right to be here in the first place so just enjoy the ride and be proud of second place again’, this mentality some of the fans have is exactly why we aren’t winning things. I’m proud of the clubs recent achievements but this has happened to us 3 times in 3 years, they’ll come a point were to win these things you’ll have to tired of losing and address the obvious weaknesses in the team and not go for the ‘we’ll stick with him because that what we’re like as a club and just because he’s not good enough now doesn’t mean he won’t be good enough later’ move with the times. Certain players are far too error prone to move to the next level, we need rid of these weak areas in order to achieve our goals it’s simple. Klopp and his team need to be more cut throat and get rid of the weak links no matter the emotional attachment.

The minimum requirement for me this season was to achieve top 4 again and we did that with a bonus of going into the CL final and losing to the best team in this specific competition. Next season we’ll see how we react and if these individuals have progressed or regressed. What I can say is that next season the minimum requirement will not be regaining top 4, it’ll be more than that.

{Ed002's Note - The result will make no difference at all. Klopp will stay as coach, the club will take on further debt and spend what other income they can and will continue to look to buy success. Players will come and go due to the lack of decent planning.}

6.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 16:13:29
Ed002.

Clubs have been buying their success since the Premier League era.

{Ed002's Note - Sure in part. But Liverpool have spent money like water with no success.}

7.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 16:16:50
Whilst Klopp doesn’t have a plan b, when you compare the personal on both bench’s, Madrid’s was far stronger, you just need to look at the impact an £80m player can do.

Our first eleven are a match for most sides, not when you start getting to number twelve.

{Ed002's Note - I appreciate it is always someone else’s fault.}

8.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 16:20:07
Totally agree re Liverpool.

You just need to look at United under Fergie in the early years, struggled until he was given the funds by Edwards.
Then you have Chelsea, Blackburn and more recently City, all due to huge investment in the teams. Arsenal also.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has also made significant investment year on year - why try and make it about others? You simply don’t get what has been going on at all.}

9.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 16:20:51
Sometimes we do not like ED02 comments as they are quite blunt but they are very true.
The response to Hailstones is an exact summery of our season.
I like Klopp a lot but there does tend to be this naive streak in him.
He refuses to play with a DM when all around him in the Prem do.
He does not have more than one plan which is to Atack and Atack.
He is quite slow to react when it comes to subs and even then a lot of times the wrong type of substitutaion, yesterday with Lallana rather than Solanke.

Also if I was Klopp, straiggt after the Roma games I would have played mind games about how much of dirty player Ramos is. Hi play acting, his stuntman routines etc.
I would have mentioned it in every interview and applied a dirty label to Ramos, making any potential referee very aware of his actions.

I would have also highlighted how it seems that Barcelona and Real get the refs decisions in their favour.
This has happened many times in previous big games with them involved.

Kroos should have had yellow for his early challange on Mane and then Ramos on Salah.

Bottom line is Klopp is a great coach but not the best tactician on and off the field.

Quick questions for ED02, do you beleive that Buvac will come back?
Also if I may ask, ehy did he leave was it simply because he was not being listened to?
Or was it to with his dad being ill or he wanted to become a manager in his own right?

{Ed002's Note - After Buvac resigned he was intererviewed for another job but he has said no to that. I don’t know if there is any way to come back - the damage has been done and the results not so good since.}

10.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 16:35:06
Great post Kman92, exactly what I have been saying we need to seperate sentimate from reality.

11.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 16:24:36
Nobody’s fault Ed002, just the way it is.
They bought on a superb player from the bench and he scored a wonder goal.

We just don’t have the strength in depth.

12.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 16:28:08
Because you mentioned buying success Ed002. I’m not disagreeing with you regarding Liverpool.

Buying success is nothing new and it’s the way football has been for the last 27 years.

Clubs don’t build teams anymore.

13.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 16:39:28
Thanks for you’re answer ed. Really appreciate you taking the time.
Crossing my fingers that Buvac comes back, that ins this summer is successful and that we will be back in cl final next year.
Have a good day mate.

{Ed002's Note - If I can find out if Liverpool are trying to do something I will let you know.}

14.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 16:43:14
Ed just a reply too your answer before basically wat u said is using the dark arts in the form of tactics, I actually agree with u when it comes down too these huge games all the experience is necessary an all tactics should b taken into account e. g as u say roughing a team up, roughing the keeper up, forcing mistakes off course it would b stupid not too use these things too win a game, but the 2 goals either side of bales fabulous over head kick were avoidable an gift wrapped not even forced or under pressure, and up until Salah went off our shape an the way we were set up was spot on . Everything went wrong at that point personally I would of brought Moreno on too cause probs wid his pace, laugh u might but he would have been more a threat than lallana in a front 3.

{Ed002's Note - Coaches will adapt their play according to the opposition. Liverpool were stuck this season when clubs simply decided to stay in their own half and defend - which make the expansive game difficult because of the lack of space. Other will look to be a little rougher - Stoke are a side that have had that reputation in the past.}

15.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 18:03:45
Every team tries to buy success. It is not the only part of the formula but if Liverpool don't sign 2/ 3 decent players people will say "we have been left behind while others strengthen. "

Last night I noticed, half way through the first half, Liverpool couldn't get out, we couldn't keep the ball and reverted to long balls. It worried me as usually we don't refer to that tactic until we are 3 up. Our 3 boys in midfield had no time at all and it's where we lost the game. Whereas Madrid had the class and seemed to have time.

There seems to be little in the way of plan b but when we win we love our relentless 7 0 wins. We cannot win them all.

I don't know how fit can is but I would have perhaps favoured him and 442 over lallana (who I have continued to defend but who looked half hearted last night) maybe solanke would have been the answer, his movement against Brighton was top notch. Maybe he could have given ramos something to really cry about. I really hate ramos. Not just for fouling salah and getting away with it. The guy is 50% cheat and 50% class. He holds his face everytime a player gets within a foot of him. His cheating got juve player sent off last year and his cheating helped to beat us last night.

16.) 27 May 2018
27 May 2018 18:42:14
Do you know who we could've done with last night? = lucas.

I am proud of our sportsmanship but I feel we need some true bite. Someone who scares the opposition physically.