15 Jun 2018 19:43:16
Look I will support Karius if he stays and everyone loves a success story from zero to hero but it will have to be one hell of a turnaround for him to do it, which led me to write the following.

Money talks, this has been proven a number of times throughout history with teams perceived in less positions in comparison to the talent attracted i. e not in Champions League etc and this brings me to my point of people saying figures for these keepers are too high and they would rather stick than splash out.

Yes an argument can be made for that but the side of the fence I currently sit on is the keeper is an important member of the team, especially in our case with the attacking talent we have. If we spend a sizeable transfer fee for a keeper, which manages to bring us trophies, whether that be the League or Champions League, wouldn't that strengthen our position in persuading our top players to stay and in turn bring in more money and attract better players so that sizeable outlay would be justified in the potential, keyword potential success that they would bring?

We all complain when players leave in search of silverware at a new club but when we are on the brink of that with one or two additions in key area, we suddenly turn into accountants. I would say we are all in agreement that we have some special players at our club, really special players most notably Salah, Mane and Firmino, if we don't start winning trophies it won't be long before they leave for pastures new and would we begrudge them.

1.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 20:28:07
Alonso, forget Karius for a moment. This has nothing to do with money talking or not. Money may talk BUT what do you do if the guy you want does NOT want you in spite of your money talking? Allisson wants RM. Roma does not wanna sell to us except we cough up the cash and even if we did, Allisson is not interested and has said so himself so again, what are you proposing that we do?

I think your frustration is misplaced. Look at VVD. Saints wanted to get the best deal for their player and tho City offered big money (don't know how much) for him, VVD told not just them, but WHOSOEVER that came for him, to kick rocks. For him it was LFC or basta. Allisson and Roma are doing the exact same thing. This is not about acting like accountants or whatever as that has nothing to do with it, IMO.

ED02 said ages ago that Allisson like Oblak, was a non starter regardless of how much we wanted him. People did not listen and kept hoping against hope. Now, reality is setting in and people are complaining. The reality of football is talking and people had better realize that you may have all the money BUT if a player does LOT wanna come to you, you might as well be broke.

2.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 20:43:48
BRover the OP didn’t once mention Alisson, you appear to be obsessed with the guy!

3.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:01:13
Brover, to answer your point in short, there is nothing you can do. Its like saying you can flash as much money at certain women but they might simply not want you and money alone might not be enough so think we are safe to say we are in agreement there and can put that point you raised to bed.

Allison and Oblak contrary to popular believe are not the only talented keepers out there and with todays market and the known need for keepers among a number of teams throughout Europe, selling clubs will be well aware of the demand for top keeps among the elite clubs and in addition will hike up their prices, which means transfer fees for a number of keepers will be at a premium.

I think you slightly or shall we say overly missed the point I was trying to make, the same point I was making is not solely focused on a keepers but for any of the key positions we need addressing. Brover, try reading it again or maybe you read it correctly and in that case I respect your opinion but I am content in agreeing to disagree.

4.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:01:15
Kramer, he was talking about paying big money for a GK. How do we know that? He mentioned Karius in the post, saying he will support him regardless. What other player do you think he could be talking about signing if it was not Allisson or Oblak? Butland? Connect the dots, my friend.

5.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:17:46
Kramer just butting in brover the point u are making is right reguardless of names if the player doesn't want to sign and wants else where then he simply isn't coming no matter how many times fans get a hard on over this name or that name. Plus the games I have watched Allison in he hasn't faired much better than karius.
The boy is a kid in terms of goalkeepers and nobody can say u don't win tropheys with keepers like that coz we won a cpl with dudek and he loved a clanger.
I would prefer we work with Karius on the things he does wrong and let him learn his trade for another season or so, the money they are talking 60million ad rather we spent on a player we really do need that improves our squad as last season we had a good 11 and a poor bench if this yr we have a great 11 and a very good bench then we will be challenging on all fronts and that is with karius in goal.

6.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:28:22
Hendos, next season will be Klopp’s 4th (3rd full) .

How much longer do you think the owners are going to settle for “we’ll work on Karius”?

If Klopp doesn’t lift any trophies next year he’ll be asked some pretty tough questions.

7.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:28:22
Hendos, next season will be Klopp’s 4th (3rd full) .

How much longer do you think the owners are going to settle for “we’ll work on Karius”?

If Klopp doesn’t lift any trophies next year he’ll be asked some pretty tough questions.

8.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:06:58
Ron, and I'm sure Klopp is old enough and smart enough to answer those questions when he gets asked by the owners. Oh and by the way, Poch who many believe is better than Klopp. What am I saying? If the owners wanna keep Klopp after next season then that is their choice cos to them, maybe they think he gives us the best chance to win trophies cos right now, we are competing for them and if we keep doing that, I am confident he will get us there. The owners may think the same way, I don't know. Oh and by the way, Had Germany sacked Joachim Loew cos he kept getting close BUT no cigar before 2014, you think they would have won the WC with him? There's an example for you to chew on.

9.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:13:10
Alonso, I did read your post and you mentioned Karius from jump, which led me to believe you were talking about the GK issue. I agree with your post that both Allisson and Oblak are not the only GK's in Europe. However, the second best ones, are not that easy to get either cos their clubs may not wanna sell to us as well or we may not be interested in them either. See how that works? We really don't know. So all I'm saying is that, I see your point overall BUT the reality is what it is and Klopp may wanna either go BIG on the GK or quality outfield players if he can, OR go home and coach up the ones he has and he is BANG brilliant at that. Cheers, mate.

10.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:29:03
Ron do you care to explain can u tell me how many trophys we won with dudek? And westerveld? Both are of the same level as Karius in my opinion and how many we won with day Reina? Who by many was one of the best keepers in previous yrs, so ad say if our defence is solid and our holding kids do there job then it's is possible to win at the very highest level with a good Keeper rather than a world class expensive one would you not?
If you think it will be karius that costs klopp his job that's your opinion mate but personally I think that is very silly and the whisky has your thoughts dissolutional matey.

11.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:32:05
I get what you mean Brover and there are a lot of variables to both our points and agree with Klopp being bang brilliant as you put it at getting the less fancied players at raising their game. It is a gamble and massive gamble in sticking with Karius and I would like nothing better than a success story but the repercussions if it goes belly up could be catastrophic.

Could you imagine if he starts the season with mistakes, the media will eat it up and questions will be asked of Klopp when many would say it was an area that glaringly needed addressing. The media spotlight would not only be pointed at Klopp but Karius himself, first off no one knows if he will mentally recover from the final but if he does he would have to have the mind of a monk to ignore the media after a sticky start to the season.

All I am saying is that if i'm gambling man, which i'm not I would go for a new keeper or at least do whatever that takes, over paying etc if the keeper is solid and a huge improvement on what we have that's all.

12.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:34:54
Ron you were spouting this nonsense this morning. Why don’t you start a hate campaign and spray paint “Klopp out” all over the new stand and pay for a plane to fly over the ground on August 11th with a banner saying “Henry sack the boss”

Embarrassing at best lad.

13.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:37:31
There are tonnes of keepers better than Karius. That's a fact, not just 3/ 4 out there. I would like to see someone new given a chance and see liverpool move away from migs and Karius. Ucl wasn't Karius first poor game, I once saw him put the ball out for z corner from a goal kick! Ridiculous. I think we have had other priorities, cb, winger, but now is the summer to fill the gk role. Karius was worth a punt, it hasn't really worked, try again.

14.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 23:20:38
Kem a understand your frustration like us mate but that's abit harsh on Ron buddy he genuinely is one of the decent guys here and a very good poster he just has a difference of an opinion to us on karius matey.

15.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 00:04:54
Kemlynroad65, You talk about embarrassment lol your post is an embarrassment. Ron has his opinions whether you agree with them or not, it's his opinion! and he has a right to voice it, I have often thought the opposite of him recently especially regarding Klopp and Karius but who cares? he's a fantastic poster and we sometimes have different opinions, learn to accept that.

16.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 00:09:15
The universally accepted best keeper in the whole wide world tonight let in a far worse howler than Karius's fail vrs Bale in the final.

He's still the best keeper in the world, just made a mistake in a huge game, and believe me Portugal, Spain is a biggy.

If we can't land a true world class keeper Karius/ Ward for me.

17.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 00:18:25
IMO:

1) I hope Karius gets 1 more season to show steel and keep the lads career alight. Whatever the decision, it’s between Klopp and the owners to settle and over talking Allison, Oblak, Butland on this site is going to offer no benefit to anyone. I love this site and how we can openly discuss LFC but the Ed’s have responded to countless goalkeeper comments already. Can we just be patient, see what happens and start other relevant feeds now? No, not a Shaquiri feed 😉
2) Not sure I agree Ron. The “top four” clubs are more like top 6 these days and there is a huge divide between the top 4-6 places and the middle of the table. Consistently challenging top 4 let alone the league title itself is hard work for any manager. Unless Klopp were to have a very apparent clanger season and lose the trust of the fans, I really can’t see Klopp getting a grilling, or more. Klopp made it clear that he wanted to win trophies when he signed and I believe from what he has done so far with the team that a major trophy is in reach. But we can’t assume we know what the owners will do if next season isn’t a trophy winning season.
Anyway, a new jazz clubs just opened where I live, so I wish you all a very good Friday night/ weekend!

18.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 03:37:46
You’re being ridiculous there Kem, I’m one of Klopp’s most ardent supporters which is why I don’t want him to make this huge mistake.

19.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 05:14:31
Poor post kem, taken straight from a previous eds response to a knuckle dragger. Get your own words and don't use others. especially when you are talking to a good guy like Ron. Odd post and totally incorrect.

20.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 07:58:19
Ron has a very valid point. We need a trophy next season.

21.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 09:07:00
I'm right behind Klopp but ultimately he has to deliver trophies. He has come really close, three times now. Maybe this season we will end up with something.

Overall he has done a decent job. I think he has been slow at times to resolve fundamental issues with the team, such as the defence and obviously the Goalkeeper which has slightly delayed any progress and obviously helped cost us a few trophies. Thinking Moreno here, not just Karius.

I feel that we are getting there now and not far away from at least a title push if not challenge, and the fa cup should be a big priority next season to at least get a trophy on the board.

22.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 09:13:02
Kem, Ron and I have our disagreements BUT your post is in really poor taste. Drogie, I know we need to win something soon BUT you have to earn the right to win and have luck on your side to win, the latter has eluded Klopp since he came to us and that is frustrating. But let us just keep doing what we are doing, keep improving and the trophies will come. Saying "we need a trophy next season" is to me, preaching to the choir.

23.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 12:07:10
Not going to bother with this debate about keepers anymore because it just degenerates into “you don’t support as much as I do” nonsense.

I’ve made myself clear. If we don’t upgrade on our keeper and if Klopp finishes next season without a trophy but with his p45 I won’t be criticising the owners.

24.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 12:42:39
Whatever, Ron. If you think Karius will cost Klopp his job then sorry, football is more complicated than that. No one player can cost or save a manager's job and you of all people should know that but I guess the rules change when Karius is concerned cos you have given that boy absolutely NOTHIN since he arrived. Even when he plays well, you have nothing good to say about him. Your bias is showing. Oh n by the way, Migs did not cost BR his job. Poor results did and poor results is up to the whole team, not just one player.