09 Nov 2018 17:08:11
Interesting comments from Klopp today. It is telling that he said the team feel they have to be sorry for not winning games like City in the way they did last season.

I think it is simple. Last season Liverpool finished 25 points off City, not 6 or 7 but 25. No matter how much the club spent in the summer on whichever players that gap is near impossible to bridge in one season if City play the way they can. And City are playing that way again, so it is simply not going to be as simple as we have a better team than last season why are we not top.

The football has been poor at times the last nine games or so with occasional glimpses of what can be. I agree this is more than the team not clicking, there is something underlying this poor run, maybe loosing certain coaching staff, maybe Klopp trying to play more conservatively to keep the players fresher for longer then unleashing them later in the season, or maybe the lads are trying to live up to expectations but are tripping them selves up doing so.

I say let them play, they are not City, no team is other than City, they have been built over ten years and have the best squad ever seen in English football. Liverpool will win again, it won't always be pretty but who cares, winning is winning and it will be done however the lads do it.

{Ed002's Note - You make it sound like Manchester City have been dominating the Premier League - they haven't. The three seasons prior to last season other sides won the Premier League.}


1.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 17:43:42
That's not my point at all, I was not suggesting City dominated anything, I was saying it was telling that people feel the need to compare two teams when one has been built over a longer period of time than the other.

Liverpool had one season of that all out style and winning games consistantly with it, City have done it for years. I know they haven't won the leauge every year with it but Klopp said " winning games like Man City", so I was commenting on the comparison HE feels is being made, If he had said "Like Chelsea" or "Like Liecester" or "Like Spersonhrope Cement Factories second eleven " my point would be the same. They are them, you are you do it way and do the best you can.

{Ed002's Note - You appear to be only one comparing the teams aside from some throughaway statement from Klopp.}


2.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 18:52:51
Kopp is feeling pressure, for any manager at top club with the backing of owners without winning any trophy in 3/ 4 yr is a lot.

At the same time he knows it's a big big ask to win league this season.

I think the time has come for our manager to start taking FA cup seriously and get the monkey off he's back tho.


3.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 19:57:46
Kopitef, Klopp is at a big club where pressure is a way of life so him feeling the pressure is obvious. Having said that, he is correct. People may be thinking we should thump City at Anfield whenever we play them. I don't blame such people. Why? Cos Klopp has spoiled us all with his thumpings over City so when it does not happen, people start moaning, forgetting that City are a true juggernaut and we are their kryptonite.

I am not interested in prioritizing this or that trophy cos I believe we can walk and chew gum at the same time cos after all, we almost won the CL and made the top 4 last season so clearly, it can be done. We just need to get through this sticky patch and hopefully with Hendo and Keita coming back, we can go again. We were struggling at the same time last season and we were out of the title race before we even blinked. Here, we are still struggling due to fitness, adaptation of new players and WC players getting up to speed BUT we are in the mix. That's good enuff for me until things get better.

{Ed025's Note - using the world cup as an excuse has well passed its sell by date brover, lack of form i will have and that happens, but to be fair a lot of players never played that much in the WC and yet its still used as a viable excuse mate..


4.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 20:22:30
Brover as Ed said excuses are running out mate.

We need to start taking domestic cups seriously.

3/ 4 yr is a lot in footy to build a team especially for a manager like klopp.

If we don't start winning trophies then things are just going to get tougher for him.

{Ed025's Note - the WC fatigue excuses are kopitef, but i must say you are all going well over the top with all this klopp has to win something baloney, hes a damn fine manager and i would love to know who you would like to succeed him if he did go? you are unbeaten in the league and sitting pretty in joint 2nd so i dont think you have a lot to complain about mate..


5.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 20:49:43
Seems like we building a heap of pressure on ourselves listening too everyone on here, MAN CITY ARE BETTER THAN US RIGHT NOW SIMPLE! We should be focused on ourselves and doing the best we can and improving all the time . City are champions and ooze confidence you can't not be impressed but if we are good enough we will show it, if not we need too step up!

{Ed025's Note - wise words mate..


6.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 20:59:26
Very wise words indeed.


7.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 21:05:29
Spot on, Hailstones. Ed25, I personally did not think the WC had anything to do with it until Ed01 mentioned it a few times so I thought maybe there is something to it as he has more info than I do. As for heaping pressure on Klopp, I think people are believing all these pundits on TV, saying "Klopp has to win something or the owners will. ". Even FSG know that Klopp is pour best chance of winning anything right now.

Also, many of our fans seem to see our team thru the prism of City or Chelsea as they have been successful of recent, forgetting how much work these teams put in to get to where they got to while we were nothing but a basket case thru that time. They think cos we have the best squad we've had in the PL, the other teams should just roll over and let us take the title w/ o a fight.

If they think so then they should not be surprised why that is not happening and why they are losing their marbles over normal stuff that happens to a team at the beginning of any season as in, players not gelling and things not clicking temporarily. Also, the fact that Ed25 (a blue nose) has more respect for our club and manager speaks volumes.


8.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 21:06:54
I love him ed25 mate. Just think spending huge amounts of money comes with responsibility and pressure.

If he doesn't start winning some trophies then media and fans will lose their patience after all he's on his 4th year.

Just don't want to lose him. Think he's a damn fine manager.

{Ed025's Note - i think so too kopitef, but going by some of the posts on here you would think he was on the brink mate, 95% of supporters would swap you for him in a heartbeat i think and if and when he does move to pastures new you,s just might realize what you had..


9.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 21:15:30
I think we're making too big a deal of this. Just let Klopp and co get thru this period. All this talk of changing this and that is rubbish. Also, we weren't 25 points behind City to start the season. all to play for.


10.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 21:40:36
There are 6 top teams in the prem capable of winning trophies, it's easier said than done. Klopp has improved this team enormously. We are clearly getting nearer the top and have been improved in all the key areas.
It is a fact that City have spent significantly more than Liverpool and do have a better squad. Liverpool are currently 2 points off top after a tough run of games while not playing that well.
Imagine playing well and having nothing to show for it. This team will click soon, it's too good not to.
There is no guarantee of a trophy in a season but that does not make Klopp a failure as has been suggested by some posters earlier today.


11.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 21:40:46
I can’t stand all of this ‘we were 25 points off City last year’ rubbish. We dropped points in the league as we had a poor start and we concentrated on the Champions League from Feb/ March onwards.
We are a completely different team now than that which started last season so if we concentrate fully on the league we have a great chance.
City are brilliant but we only have to play them twice. Beat everyone else and the league is ours. We are more than capable of doing that too.


12.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 21:44:23
Cheers ed no point trying too dress it up they are fooooookin ridiculous we are doing well just too b in touching distance, for me it's pep he is brilliant and he is that good he has made mourinho the grumpy old nasty bitch he is today . Plus it helps being ran by one of the richest people in the world lucky sods . P. s see how good tony looked on weigh in WAR TOMORROW! Can't wait .

{Ed025's Note - im looking forward to it as well mate..


13.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 23:22:38
Seeing as u need a striker or 2 and our midfield getting slaughtered do ya fancy swapping gylfi and Gomes for origi and solanke too compliment richarlison hahaha! enjoy tomorrow mate and be nice if u get something at Stamford bridge .


14.) 10 Nov 2018
10 Nov 2018 01:21:34
I simply can't believe the defeatist talk coming from reds fans. Take your tongue out of city's collective arse and get behind the boys. City have won nothing yet. I can count the goals we have conceded on both hands this season and that is a major difference to last season. Okay we lost a ucl game, so what. We will still qualify. It's all about the league for me and we are still unbeaten. I really don't care if we win 1 0 or 7 0 as long as we pick up 3 points.

City have the best squad ever seen in English football? Big claim about a team yet to lift the European Cup. Take a look at l I verpool in the 80s or utd in the 90s, they would blow city away.

{Ed001's Note - City can only play if the pitch is perfect, they couldn't handle the bobbly pitch at Wembley against Spurs, all their pretty footie vanished then. Liverpool of the 70s and 80s produced quality football week in, week out on pitches far, far worse than that Wembley pitch.}


15.) 10 Nov 2018
10 Nov 2018 03:11:52
Now now ed don't make me regret not being born then!

{Ed001's Note - it is true though mate, they played on pitches that were an utter mess and still played passing, possession-based, winning football, as did Clough's teams.}


16.) 10 Nov 2018
10 Nov 2018 04:17:31
True Ed, Wigan done them last season eh. I'm guessing that pitch wasn't perfect.

I don't think red star are the walk over people made them out to be, well of course they're not.

I don't really understand where this negativity is coming from. We win 1 0 one weekend and then moan because we didn't win 6 0 like City did. We are miles ahead of utd and that alone makes me smile.

I think we are only 2 points off city. So one win and they lose and we are back on top. Its football and anyone can lose a game. Only one team has ever gone a whole season without a loss and they had a tonne of draws. We are still very much in this title race.

It wasn't that long ago that a point at arsenal was a damn fine result. Now it is disappointing, there is a message in there and its that we have improved massively. I still fancy us this year. I really do. I never thought we would win the European Cup this term. We came so close last season and two finals in two years is a lot to ask when there are many fantastic teams in it. I'd love to win it but you never know, say we go out in the first round, having a few less games than city may be the difference that sees us win the league.

We are still very much in this. And we know we can be much, much better.

{Ed001's Note - Wigan's pitch was very similar to Wembley's as they have rugby league played on there.}


17.) 10 Nov 2018
10 Nov 2018 09:10:10
Spot on, Ed01. I watched the City game at Spurs and had Kane and esp. Lamela not missed complete sitters, City don't win that game. City need to play well and for all conditions to work for them (nice pitches, the weather, the ref etc. ) in order for them to win. Vs Wolves, they did not have their way with them and they got just a point which their perf. deserved. Vs Burnley, the ref ate his whistle when Kompany should have been sent off for raking his studs on Lennon's man jewels. See how that works?

Wolves were the only team of all the teams (bar us who Pep has given up on) they have played that had the guts to get after them and we saw the outcome. Until teams go after them and make teams difficult for them, they will continue to smash them for fun like they did to Saints who just went there, pulled their pants down and let City thrash them.


18.) 10 Nov 2018
10 Nov 2018 15:35:33
If we came 2nd to City despite collecting 90 odd points would that be a failure of a season? it could well happen this season, that's how good City are. We might win the league, we may not but it is going to take an almighty team on top form to stop us.


19.) 10 Nov 2018
10 Nov 2018 17:08:07
Second is improvement I guess. If its a close second then it's such an improvement that it must be a positive. If we are miles off then second will be a failure.

I think we will win it. Liverpool have more heart than city and it could see us over the line.