24 Feb 2019 05:08:03
Who do the Ed's and posters think, in the current Liverpool squad, are over rated as players? I only ask as I was having a lively discussion with a friend.

He maintained that Gini is over rated - I said I'd of agreed with him last season but that this season, for the most, part, he has been class.

He also said that TAA was over rated and yet to prove he can be a long term solution at right back - I partially agreed with the second half of that statement, but said that there is every chance he could improve and show he is capable of doing so.

Finally, and what caused the biggest bone of contention, was that I said I thought Andy Robertson was over rated. My friend swore at me and demanded I buy the next round (which I did) . My argument was that he has quite a few flaws in his game, which I listed (technically lacking, very inconsistent crossing, panics under pressure, gives too much space too wide players) . My friend was adamant I was being overly critical - I said that I thought Robertson's runs over shadowed his flaws and that people notice his mad rampages, so think 'wow he's great', and sort of over look the errors in his game.

Anyway, curious what players, if any, folks on here think are over rated and whether anyone agrees with my opinion (I expect to be crucified but football is all about opinions so have at it) .

1.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 06:16:57
As soon as I first started to read your post the only name that popped up to me was also Robbo but I think that's about it, I do like him as a player but he could be a lot better imo.

{Ed025's Note - over critical salah, i dont know what you expect from a full back and a young one at that, i think he is one of your best players but maybe he never cost enough and is not very foreign for your liking mate..

2.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 06:41:10
Its hard to not to be biased towards the team you support. By saying that, I'd say all of the first 11 are highly rated, and rightfully so (by me) . Other players in other teams are overrated.

{Ed025's Note - that has been a symptom of every red i have ever known haizan mate..

3.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 06:55:25
Agree with you on Robertson. I think he is overrated in a big way by many, and, as you said, his flaws are overlooked and in some cases completely ignored by his supporters. This is partly due to being a lot better than Moreno but largely due to his tireless effort and running.
He is becoming a classic cult hero - a hardworking, otherwise-ordinary bloke who looks like he could be your mate down the pub. This clouds the judgement of most fans, and it is now a mark of shame to criticise him.

{Ed025's Note - maybe if he changed his name to andyrino robertsinho they would all make excuses for him like they do for bobby lowel..

4.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 07:25:56
How can he be over rated, he only cost 8m and that's 8m well spent in my eyes, i think he been really good, or should we of spent 50m on mendy or walker?

5.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 07:30:16
Very harsh guys. Just cos a fella asks who's overrated doesn't mean there's an answer. Everyone has different views on players but I think it's unnecessary to try pick out weaknesses in players who instead deserve some recognition. Robertson very unfair. Has played at a consistently high level but 2 or 3 below par performances and he's overrated? Come on,! No player has perfect attributes., My answer is nobody is overrated, they're doing us proud so let's get behind them and not list their flaws. Every single player has them.

6.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 07:33:31
Err, Ed, what did I write above about Moreno? Foreign name, poor player, known full-well to be a poor player regardless of said foreign name.
I understand why you used Firmino to exemplify, because he certainly shouldn’t be above criticism either, but this isn’t about Firmino.
Oxlade-Chamberlain came under criticism when he first joined, but started displaying just awesome performances before he got injured. The nationality doesn’t matter was irrelevant then and it is irrelevant now.
Robertson is a good player, but overrated for sure.

{Ed025's Note - i just dont get the overrated shout lowel and wonder what else you need him to do?, or better still who you would have to replace him? i think he is a great fit for liverpool mate..

7.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 07:43:12
Robertson may be overrated but at least he is a much better LB than the other dross every other premier league club has in that position at the moment. For 8 million, he is a bargain and apart from Chilwell, the other first choice LBs in the league should not be even mentioned in the same sentence as Robbo.
If Robbo has two or three weaknesses in his game, the other LBs in the league have at least 10 to their name. Its more down to the poor standard of fullbacks in the league than Robbo being world class (which he is not as of yet) . Hence why we overrate him. He is no where near perfect but he is better than any LB in the league and that's good enough for me.

8.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 08:02:08
I don't either ed25,its not like we only brought him cause he was hyped up to be the best fulk back in the world, he came in and worked hard to get into the team, its another excuse to bash a player who don't deserve it,

{Ed025's Note - absolutely tim. i dont know what more supporters would want from a player mate..

9.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 08:04:25
Robbo is weak in stopping crosses and never make the player cut inside. But you very rearly see a wingback stop a cross now a days. And he's own crosses could improve if he looked up a bit more. Having said that he’s work rate is outstanding. I would love us to sign a better LB in place of Moreno to push Robbo that bit more.
TAA is still young and will improve. Again I’d like a better back up player signed to compete with Trent and push him further.

{Ed025's Note - i think defensively he is very good longthing and as a full back thats his priority, he is one of the main reasons why liverpool are very strong at the back now, maybe you would prefer him marauding down the wing like moreno and neglect his defensive duties?, i really dont know what you expect of him mate..

10.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 08:07:21
I think in a season or 2, hopefully when Trent, Gomez, vvd, and Robbo have played a full season injury free, the defense will be viewed as being pretty much world class. can’t understand anyone slating Robbo!

11.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 08:11:55
I disagree completely on Robbo. He would walk into any top team. Of course he could still reach another level, but overrated? I think not.

Red-Rum.

12.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 08:14:34
I think you’re probably right there, IB. This “best left-back in the world” tag that has been attached to him needs to be seen relative to how dreadful the average left-back is these days.
I would personally prefer Chilwell to Robertson, however.

13.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 08:24:04
Is anyone going to give a reason for him being overrated. His pros most definately out way his cons. People mentioning technically lacking? That's an attribute you could say about some of the world's best ever fullbacks. Does his game suffer because he doesn't whip in crosses like Beckham, he's got impressive amount of assists for a fullback and is always a threat for us going forward and very solid defensively. We need to appreciate he's consistently been excellent for us and actually underrated in my opinion. I'd like to see somebody point out to me his major faults because i must be blind. Appreciate him for the excellent player he is.

{Ed025's Note - i could not agree more har..

14.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 08:37:57
I also feel people criticising his crossing is a very lazy debate. He crosses the ball so many times every game it's easy for people to blindly fault them. I'd have more appreciation for someone who's brave and always trying that killer cross. Many full backs take the easy option and just recycle the ball back to midfield if they've had a couple of bad crosses. Robbo deserves credit for this and not scrutiny.

15.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 08:40:20
Robbo is top class. He's on and off form probably because he's on the left of a very unsettled defence, but I wouldn't swap him for any other full back in the league. It's the other side we need to worry about today, they'll target young Trent again.

16.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 08:47:48
He is an excellent player har. But he could be world class. To me he’s major fault is that he’s doesn’t stop crosses. These are defensive duties. Just my opinion.

17.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 08:59:37
And chilwell over robbo? Lowe I'd love to hear your reasons why you think chilwell would be an upgrade on Rob, big statement to make without giving any real reason.

{Ed025's Note - im with you har..

18.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 09:06:52
And longthing you mentioned he never makes the player cut inside? What? As a full back why on earth would you ever want to let a player cut inside. It's probably the first bit of advice you'd give a 10 year old playing full back for the first time.

19.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 09:09:18
Who is overating these players. For instance wini. I think he is a very good player. I think he should be contributing a lot more goals/ assists than he does but then that comes down to a lot of factors for example tactics etc. most fans will think that there players are the best players in the world (we probably more than most) . I'll content the question and ask our strongest 11 who would you replace for someone better within reason

Allison
Trent
Gomez
Vvd
Robertson
Fabinho
Wini
Hendo
Salah
Firmino
Mane

For me there is one/ possibly two spots open and both are in midfield and that's harsh.

20.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 09:16:26
As in any player in the world?

21.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 09:30:42
Har_red92. Yeah go for it mate. Let's not forget ox and naby when he fully goes up in the gears are more than able replacements for hendo and wini for me.

22.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 09:33:23
I wouldn't replace Robbo with ANY player, he's a fine young player who imo will improve as time goes on, yes we got him for a bargain price and yes he was for damn sure worth it.

All I was saying is he could be better, I don't think anybody has ribbed him? people are looking into this way too much, nobody is calling him crap or anything just saying he could improve his game which is the truth and anybody who can't see this is simply blind.

I will praise him all day long because he's done a stellar job at Liverpool BUT he's not the player people make out he is. He will improve in time and will be quality I have no doubt about it, for now he's doing a good job but I think he's capable of doing an excellent job, he's just not quite there yet.

Longthing has took the words out of my mouth, he doesn't stop crosses and as a defender he needs to improve on this.

23.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 10:17:47
Fair enough salah everybody is capable at improving to be fair. I think some people find different meanings to the term overrated but I just think that he's being rated by most pretty accurately and not I rarely hear people over hyping him. I'm just a huge fan of his personally and was kind of surprised by the number of people picking him. When in fact I'd consider Trent to be a much inferior fullback, not slating Trent at all but shocked that people were picking robbo over him.

24.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 10:24:45
IR89 I love every one of them players but if I'm essentially picking a world11 without my red tinted glasses. I'd only have VVD for definate, maybe robbo at a push to alaba. But other than that It can't be possible to claim we've 9 or 10 of the best players in their position. Messi hardly going to sit on the bench realistically haha.

25.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 11:53:33
Just want to clarify, after reading all of your responses, that I was not in any way speaking ill of Robertson or insulting his contribution or anything - the key word is overrated. A great player can be overrated, a bad player can be underrated, me saying he is overrated is not of reflection of his ability but rather the hype surrounding him and the fanatical opinions of him by many. I think he is a good player, I think he will improve, but he is not perfect and he is not, in my view, the best left back in the world, as some have claimed. I just hope the flaws in his game are recognised and worked on as, if he irons them out, he'd be indispensable. As it is I see him as a good player with much to improve upon.

26.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 11:57:44
I’m going to take one on the chin here and this is purely based on the overrated element, not being good or bad etc. Our defence has been good this year, much better when Gomez was fit and undoubtedly this player has made a difference and improved things, even if just psychologically, but I can’t put him up in the bracket that some on here do as one of the absolute best in the world and that player is Allisson. I know I’ll get thumbed down and that ok, but there’s been a couple of goals that have gone in when I’ve thought could he not have done a bit better / do you see DDG stop those, and he still takes too long with the ball at his feet. He’s definitely improves us, of that there is no doubt and perhaps it’s because he isn’t exposed as much as some keepers so doesn’t get the chance for a M. o. M display, but I’m waiting to see him make a few unbelievable saves where you go “wow” to rate his as highly as some do on here. Good keeper, don’t get me wrong!
I’ll put my gum shield in now 😂🙈.

27.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 12:32:37
That Virgil Van Dyke is seriously overrated. he's not scored a hatrick all season and couldn't save a penalty for his life.

{Ed025's Note - love it virgil..

28.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 13:19:16
it's hard to say which is overrated. If anything, I'd say that many of our players are underrated.

29.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 14:48:13
Now that was a piece of top class goal keeping!

30.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 17:14:26
Matip is over rated.

Robbo is like Denis Irwin. Nothing spectacular but a solid dependable player with a good engine.

31.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 20:27:41
True har, if this question was asked 3 weeks ago robbo’s name wouldn’t of come up, and I imagine Kieta would have. Easy to respond on recent form.

32.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 20:34:44
I love Robbo, but would have Alaba over him at this moment in time.

33.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 20:43:06
Your friend is partially spot on! Robertson cannot defend save his life.

34.) 24 Feb 2019
24 Feb 2019 20:50:04
Good reply seano, that's a fair thought.


In regards to allison I think he's been a great signing but I've had slightly similar thoughts but never said out loud. Don't like to put him and migmolet in the same sentence because they're a class apart but I feel allison hasn't been put under the microscope completely yet.

If migs had made some of the errors he's made this season he'd be slaughtered, myself included. But I find it refreshing actually that fans are appreciating his ability and what he adds as opposed to his few errors. I'm not just referring to Leicester and utd goals but other sloppy passes etc. I rate him highly but I think maybe he's had it handy with our defence giving away so little in terms of chances.

I don't like when people reference number of clean sheets to summarise a goalkeeper. I overheard someone last week saying to a utd fan that allison is better than de gea because he's got more clean sheets. Stupid. Just wonder if clyne matip lovren and Moreno were infront of him like our previous keepers had would he be more scrutinised.