10 Jul 2019 10:03:52
I have a genuine question for ed 25, i was watching a documentary on YouTube which oddly claimed pele was overated because he scored a large proportion of his goals in exhibition matches and apparently there were no decent defenders in his time. He odly went on to say he was instrumental in changing the game and was the grandfather of football?

Anyway, do you agree with that assertion? and as an aside, he also mentioned there were no red and yellow cards up until the late sixties. So how were bad challenges and clear penalties etc punished?

If pele was playing for years without that protection doesn't that make his achievements that much more impressive and NOT overated?

I was going to ask ed01 and feel free to answer if you want but I realised ed25 was 150yrs old so more appropriate 😀.

{Ed025's Note - pele was the best player ever of that there is no doubt, players were booked and sent off without any cards shown bookings being the players name put in a book by the ref, but rash challenges were just part and parcel of the game and players like tommy smith and jimmy case used to basically assault opponents without much retribution, i am quite old IAC but still a babe magnet in woolton mate.. :)


1.) 11 Jul 2019
11 Jul 2019 09:40:21
I was 10 years old in 66 and it was the first time I saw Pele. He already had the tag as the best player in the world aged 26. He certainly looked good to me however GOAT is subjective. I have seen some amazing players over the years and Cruyff stood out to me for a long time until I watched Ronaldinho then Messi. Dalglish also stood out as did Frank Worthington and Stan Bowles. George Best, Tefilio Cubicles, George Hadji, Michel Platini, Roberto Baggio, Kaka, Figo, Zidane. Most of the above could be named GOAT. Best Premier League player Ryan Giggs. Best Liverpool Premier league player? Stevie G. of course.


2.) 11 Jul 2019
11 Jul 2019 13:40:02
You should look up an Argentinian bloke who played in the 80s, Langland. His name was Diego something or other. I reckon he might pip Frank Worthington on your list of Top Players That Are Nearly As Good As Maradona.


3.) 11 Jul 2019
11 Jul 2019 11:08:31
Thanks ed, much appreciated, I'm sure you are quite the catch down at the retirement village. 😂.

{Ed025's Note - were talking trendy bars not the local derby and joan club IAC.. :)