Liverpool Banter Archive July 10 2016

10 Jul 2016 20:52:38
Ed. couple of questions for you if I may.
Who is your favourite ever player?
Who is your favourite ever Liverpool player?

{Ed001's Note - favourite ever would be probably Maradona. Robbie Fowler is my favourite ever Liverpool player and pushes Maradona close overall.}

10 Jul 2016 21:22:55
What's your opinion on the Messi and Maradona debate Ed001?

{Ed001's Note - there is no debate, Maradona was a lot better. Put him on the billiard table pitches we have now, with the defenders unable to attempt to decapitate as they were able to then, and he would make Messi look like an amateur.}

10 Jul 2016 22:17:49
Been saying the same thing for ages too Ed. Maradona was so far ahead of Messi and Ronaldo it's unreal.

My favourite footballer ever is the same as my favourite ever Liverpool player. Graeme Souness, greatest centre midfielder ever in my opinion, had the lot, could tackle, pass, shoot, defend and attack.

10 Jul 2016 23:11:48
Always think that when you see Pele and maradona play, it's brutal some of the tackles they take. I've seen more of the old Brazilian and players like garincha and jairzinho took some hits too.

10 Jul 2016 22:48:36
With Ed001 all the way. Messi is like an inferior copy of Maradonna. He's the only player who has comes close to being "a one man team".
Messi has the advantage of tougher rules (on tackling), better pitches, better boots, lighter balls, better physio/ sports nutrition and playing for one of the best club sides and he's still not a patch on Diego.

{Ed007's Note - 'Sports nutrition' lmfao ;)

10 Jul 2016 23:26:59
Both exactly my choices. There you go -.

11 Jul 2016 00:23:36
George Best had it all and some of the tackles on him were bordering on gbh. Pity he threw it all away though.

10 Jul 2016 22:02:10
Maradona was the best ever ed001, but much as I love/ loved robbie, I hope your comparison was tongue in cheek when it comes to ability.

Top 3 Maradona Pele dowie.

{Ed001's Note - I did not say ability, I was talking about favourites. No idea why, but I just loved Robbie as a player, though he was nowhere near Maradona.}

10 Jul 2016 22:58:41
Edd001 do you think messi's the greatest player of these recent times? I think he's an incredible player. His passing and reading for me has always made him a far better player than ronaldo
The thing is I don't think you can compare modern footballers to the bests and Maradonas simply because of the pitches, tackles, how players are pampered etc.

{Ed001's Note - of the modern era? Messi is a better player for the team than Ronaldo, or rather can be. He has not shown it for a while, as he has got far too big for his boots, driving players out of Barca because he doesn't like them etc. On pure talent though, he is the best of recent years, despite Ronaldo's physical excellence.}

10 Jul 2016 23:08:03
Messi has broken records in an evolving sport that has got quicker and harder as quality has risen. Ronaldo and messi are probably the best footballers ever. I think you would only ever hear people that are from the older generation say maradona is better, and even most of them would say messi. In terms of achievement, maradona was better but as we all know that means nothing when comparing footballing ability. Both where world class and out of this world at times, but messi is just a better maradona.

{Ed001's Note - hahahaha. Quicker yes, but what kind of person thinks it is harder now? It is much easier. You can't even get tackled these days, the pitches are perfect and you have the benefits of science to improve you physically. Especially Messi.}

10 Jul 2016 23:12:22
Completely agree ed on both selections. Plus Maradonna turned up for his Country.
Robbie Fowler by far my favourite Liverpool player. What's he like as a person ed?

{Ed001's Note - nice guy mate. Though most Evertonians would disagree, but that is because they treated him appallingly while he played for us. So badly his whole family turned from bluenoses to reds.}

11 Jul 2016 06:21:08
The same happened to Carra at a lesser extent. He was still a blue deep down in his early days at Liverpool, but the abuse he got from Everton fans off the pitch drove him to completely abandon any sort of attachment he had with the club.

{Ed001's Note - true. Sad really, it never used to be like that.}

11 Jul 2016 08:55:47
It is funny how ed001 thinks it was easier today. Football is evolving, tactics are evolving, level of fitness is much better. When maradonna played football only 10countries had full team of proffesional players. You maybe can't tacle wild but anyone who played proffesional football knows that is not what makes effective defence. you have 4times more proffesional footbalers than at maradona time. I don't like Messi but you have to admire his attitude ball control, set pieces and goal scoaring ability. pele and maradona would be good players today but only if work hard and be physically prepared, something a cocaine addict can't be.

{Ed001's Note - only 10 countries? Do you have any idea of what you are talking about? Utter nonsense. No point reading this if that is the level of crap you are going to talk. Try learning some history before making up lies in your head.}

11 Jul 2016 09:28:22
Kman, you're saying there that only the older generation would say Maradona, but surely that carries more weight than say my opinion at 21. I, personally, don't have an opinion on the subject as it's hard to gauge how good Maradona was just from highlights. Not sure how you think footballs harder now. Must of the full backs can't even defend!

11 Jul 2016 10:16:08
I find it very stupid to even talk about this when a game changed so much. i'm talking from scientific point. Just watch game from 60s then 70s and so on, and you will see the change. even some rules aren't same. I watched hundreds games from old era as i like football and it has more romance before but if you put it on software you will see level of fitness is not close to today standards, players walking like c. ronaldo whole match. you will see moves of a genious but can he transform it in todays pace of the game is the main question? Everyone has his own taste, for me zidane nedved and modric are best players ever.

11 Jul 2016 11:13:39
It's just a debate isn't it, you'll struggle to change anyone's mind as it can't be proven either way.
However, Diego moved the game on. He did things with the ball which had never been perceived before.
He took Napoli (an average team which had never won the league) and made them Serie A champions at a time when the very best players played in Italy. None of the other candidates can make a claim like that.

{Ed001's Note - exactly Ronald, no one has ever done what he has, before or since.}

11 Jul 2016 11:41:01
Maradona for me without a doubt, unbelievable on the ball, could lead a team. Dragged 2 very average Argentina sides to 2 World Cup finals, won Napoli 2 titles as well as scored the best goal at any World Cup ( plus a couple of other top 10 contenders) . If you watch any of his highlights you'll see most end with him either assisting. Scoring or getting absolutely pole axed by defenders. Messi and Ronaldo would not last a season under those challenges. He had to undergo pre match pain killing injections for years to get through games. I'm fairly sure he holds the record for the most fouled player in any game ( 11 times) vs South Korea too! ( for perspective the highest fouled player in England was 90 in an entire season)

11 Jul 2016 12:00:35
Have to say Messi. I understand your point about the tackles being harder back then, as well as more physical training for players nowadays. But it is true that leagues are more competitive now, with even the lowest teams able to defend and shut out great players. Games are much less open, and managers are more tactically astute. Just looking at the Euros this year, you can see that every team has a chance of beating every other team, and huge wins are much rarer almost universally now. It comes down to opinion that the end of the day.

11 Jul 2016 12:31:44
Should also add maradona did it playing in the best league playing against the worlds best defenses. He didn't have the privilege of playing with the worlds most expensive squads ( even at Barcelona they weren't at the level they are now) where they can win games 7- 0!

11 Jul 2016 13:37:31
I am trying to compare the two but I think the two scenarios just aren't comparable. The world has just moved on so much and we are just so globalised now that it's made the game so incredibly competitive. I can see why people are saying ''they tackled harder'' but the game has moved on from big tackles and is more skilled/ developed because of it - they are just two completely different games now besides kicking a ball.

11 Jul 2016 14:22:17
Thanks for the original reply ed. nice to see a good convo follow through.
I'm also Robbie Fowler for my favourite Liverpool player. Named my eldest son after him. Legendary

Cheers bud.

{Ed001's Note - it is hard not to love Robbie.}

11 Jul 2016 14:36:50
It's a good point like the defenders in the Seria A during Maradonna's time were just monster, absolute legends of the game and he still smoked them. Maradonna was just on another planet. For me personally when Ronaldinho was in that golden period for a few seasons at Barcelona that's the best i've seen anyone play in my lifetime - unplayable week in week out and doing things no-one has done. Sadly his work ethic and commitment to training didn't match his natural ability.

11 Jul 2016 15:13:24
Ed. would you do a all time favourite Liverpool 11?

{Ed001's Note - it is on my to do list mate, I will try and get it done this week, tonight if I get a chance.}

11 Jul 2016 16:03:09
Messi is by no means a one man team. Maradona won a WC with players no up to his level while Messi couldn't win a WC or a Copa America with Di Maria, Higuain, Banega, Agueo, all players far superior to the ones Diego played with at both club and country. Turned a nothing club like Napoli into an Italian and European force. Take away all the teamates that Messi played with at Barca, replace them with the ones Diego played with at Napoli and he wouldn't have one a sausage.

Messi to me, is not fit to lace his boots or to be mentioned in the same breath as Diego. But personally, the best players I have ever seen from the beginning of his career till the very end, is the REAL Ronaldo, the Extra Terestrial. In the words of Clarence Seedorf, "the best player I have ever seen in my career".

11 Jul 2016 17:02:22
look forward to that ed, I have a feeling I know some of your line up already.

11 Jul 2016 17:34:15
Very much looking forward to it. going to be one hell of a debate once said. All of the above over two choices. Ha.

{Ed001's Note - I usually forget someone when I do them, so I am going to try and do it properly this time.}

12 Jul 2016 13:41:40
Messi isn`t even in the same region as Maradona in terms of being the best ever. What maradona accomplished has and will never be duplicated by anyone, end of story.

10 Jul 2016 20:05:14
hi eds have the rules changed on kick offs in the centre circle, i thought the ball had to go forward from the kick off before it can get passes back, but i seen in the gemanay game v france and in tonights game Nani was alone at the start of the kick off on his own and just passed the ball back, si is this a new rule ot are the plauers getting it wrong.

{Ed001's Note - yes it changed.}

10 Jul 2016 20:13:50
thanks eds for the quick reply, did it change for this tournament or for the season and is it for all of football, at least it puts another player in the attacking phase of the kick off.

{Ed001's Note - it changed ahead of the tournament.}

10 Jul 2016 20:14:04
Are you going for the most posts in a row?

10 Jul 2016 20:33:54
Great example of obsessive compulsive behaviour!

10 Jul 2016 20:34:23
Mbrock is on the whizz.

10 Jul 2016 19:49:01
Hi all i just want to know something about Ronaldo, is it right that before he went to Man utd he wanted to come to us, sis he say to us come and get me or was he just wanting to come to the prem with any team, i did hear that Parry wouldn't pay the price they were asking for him because he said he wouldn't amount to much or that he was not worth the money, if that's right i wonder how many other players he knocked back that could have won us the prem and made us a lot of money with sell on fee's.

10 Jul 2016 20:38:22
We wouldn't pay the price. Hiullier targetted cisse instead.

Quoted as saying spending 14 mil of the clubs money on a 16 year old was to much of a risk, same as arsenal.

They were trying to get him for like 3/ 4 mil.

{Ed001's Note - we had a deal agreed for 3.6m, Parry pulled it as he said that was too much for an untested teen. Nothing like 14m.}

10 Jul 2016 20:54:53
I heard Houllier didn't want him as Ronaldo is both footed he didn't know where to play him out of position.

10 Jul 2016 21:36:26
Ed01, isn't it also true that after watching him twice Phil Thompson wasnt convinced he was worth the signing on fee of half million or million pounds, i can't remember what the figure was.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea about that sorry.}

10 Jul 2016 21:58:41
Cheers Ed, i got told that and also that ex Man city midfielder Gary Owen (all left foot) had something to do with referring him to us.

{Ed001's Note - I only know that the deal was done, but Parry refused to sign it off. I was given a lot more detail about it in the past, but it has all vanished in the depths of my memory since. It is just the stupidity of Parry having any kind of say that stuck in my mind.}

10 Jul 2016 23:46:39
It was called off due to the wages Ronaldo was asking. To put it into perspective, he was asking for less than Le Tallec and Pongolle were already on. Rick Parry said no.

{Ed001's Note - it was not the wages. It was the fee that Parry objected to.}

11 Jul 2016 06:23:24
But would Ronaldo have risen to what he is now if he went to Liverpool instead? Debatable. He always would have had the desire, but what about the coaching?

11 Jul 2016 14:41:08
His work ethic is such that I think he would of been just as good. The inner desire, the constant push to improve yourself, that endless pursuit of perfection - they are formidable ingredients and are what brought him to where he is and I honestly think he'd have made it no matter were he went.

10 Jul 2016 19:11:36
hi eds and reds

after the players we have bought do you all think that's it or do we need any more signings, i know we have not got a quality left back in but the way germany used their wing back is that the way klopp will set up and if so can moreno do that job as a left wing back because i think he is good at attacking but not so good at defending, so i think it boils down to the formation and the way klopp is going to use his wing backs or full backs, if he is going to use them like the gremany team then we don't need a left back because its a wing back,

im not saying that it with our signings or that we don't need a quality defensive left back, we do but i would not suprise me if we don't get any more players in and if we don't could it point to the formation being the same as germanys with our wing backs so high up the pitch that it pushes the defensive full backs back down the pitch, I've never seen the german left back before he was mentioned on here and watching him in the euros and he looks very good at defending and attacking

it would be good to hear all your opinions on this, so besides a left back do we need another player in and in what position because for me besides a quality left back i don't think we need another player in, as we have our new goalie what we all wanted.

10 Jul 2016 19:25:57
We will most likely sign another CM and a LB. That will be it. Chilwell surely will join once he is fit to pass his medical. Would not also surprise me to see Zielinski ending up as a LFC player before the window shuts.

10 Jul 2016 19:31:41
Curious. Why do you think Moreno is good at attacking?
He has natural pace and can smack a ball hard but has very little else needed to be effective going forward, he doesn't time his runs properly, doesn't track back, has zero game intelligence, can't dribble, can't pass, can't cross, can't shoot, doesn't get the most out of whos around him, doesn't look to see who's around him, incredibly overly aggressive in the tackle, makes stupid mistakes going forward and back, ball watches, can't read the game, doesn't score, doesn't assist.
Does have a funky hair cut though.

10 Jul 2016 19:37:55
We need a steep piece player but it's hard where that player can play.

10 Jul 2016 19:39:38
Said it time and time again, but I'd rather not buy a cm, Lucas is good enough to cover and Stewart and gruijic. Some have said Lucas might leave, but his experience and ability to play at the back too, will be useful. Unless Allen and another leaves, then stick with what we got!

10 Jul 2016 23:23:53
2 more players would do it for me. In fact will push us closer to Top4. LB and CM/ DM.

11 Jul 2016 07:29:06
In fact. lol.

11 Jul 2016 14:37:59
1985mikey just for you i think moreno is better at attacking then defending, plus there are no wing backs that are great attackers because they would not be wing backs if they were really good attackers, the lad likes to get forward, i agree he has not got the game intelligence, but i disagree with you about passins and crossing, he can pass and can cross the ball plus he has scored a few goals, but i don't know or have a clue what his instructions are from the manager in a game, at least he gets into the box.

10 Jul 2016 18:28:06
Anyone else think there's one big surprise to come in terms of incoming transfers.

10 Jul 2016 19:09:26
No unless someone leaves like a hendo coutinho firminho Sturridge.

10 Jul 2016 19:33:27
Always seems to be a surprise even when we seem to know all the targets.

10 Jul 2016 21:00:13
Like Benteke and Coutinho leaving and Griezman coming in? 😉.

10 Jul 2016 17:32:33
So Benteke agrees terms with Palace. Thank goodness for that. Now only to get a new home for Balotelli.

With Skrtel also soon to be gone we can expect many more departures before the window shuts.

10 Jul 2016 18:19:37
With 15m for Ibe and 5m for Skirts with Allen still to leave, we are also balancing the books to some extent. Long may it continue.

10 Jul 2016 19:06:53
Agree redohio, it is about time that the club spends and recoups money wisely otherwise we will eventually end up in the same boat as Hicks and Gillett.

LFC owe FSG a massive amount of money, the last thing we want is for them to start looking at borrowing money against the club as they cannot just keep on pouring their own money in. Hopefully the personnel changes they have made recently will see the club moving in the right direction.

10 Jul 2016 16:14:07
Players fees are embarrassing at this stage
The premier league is vastly overated. The top clubs and throughout the league are no match for the German or Spanish leagues. Instead of clubs lowering prices for fans they are continuing to blow money away because they can. Paul pogba is one example. I said he was a fantastic midfielder and I really do think he will be a top midfielder at united but potentially over 100million sterling? Plus his wages, crazy.

10 Jul 2016 17:15:29
25 million for hummels.

60 mil for sanchez

50 mil for di maria

50 milcfor falcao

85 bale, 80 ronaldo, 60 suarez, 50 neymar

Alit money all over the place.

10 Jul 2016 23:25:48
Couple of players in that list are worth more or same Paulo.
Suarez is worth anything above £60 mill. He scores close to 40 a season brother.

10 Jul 2016 15:45:21
So Real Madrid can't compete with Manchester United with money.

That's Massive that is.

10 Jul 2016 15:55:46
If I didn't have £100 on Pogba going to Man Utd I would ask what this has to do with Liverpool 😉.

10 Jul 2016 15:56:43
I don't think the European Champions will be too bothered mate. It's not like they can't 'more than compete' when it comes to success.

10 Jul 2016 18:03:54
"So Real Madrid can't compete with Manchester United with money.

That's Massive that is"

Is it massive? I'm sure if you asked Real Madrid would they prefer to compete with Man Utd with money or would they prefer to compete in the Champions League as reigning champions there would be only one answer 😎.

10 Jul 2016 18:21:26
They also don't have to deal with Pogba or Utd in the CL this season so they won't be bothered.

10 Jul 2016 13:23:01
Hi all, was wondering if anybody else uses what the Eds say in arguments with ya mates? I was in a row last night saying we would sign Chilwell and Utd would sign Pogba. Everyone shouting at me saying Hector is a done deal and no chance of PP going to Manchester. We'll see who's right eh guys 😉.

10 Jul 2016 13:38:27
Twitter is pretty popular with my mates unfortunately 😂.

10 Jul 2016 14:26:09
My friends rather believe Twitter than this site which is incredibly frustrating.

10 Jul 2016 15:03:28
I always use the Ed's AH in a argument that is.

10 Jul 2016 15:13:22
We have faith in our Eds 🙏🏻.

10 Jul 2016 15:20:54
I always use this site for my point of view. I'm smart enough to copy / paste Ed's intelligence and insight.

10 Jul 2016 19:26:16
Well I hope it goes through because I bet them all a tenner 😂.

10 Jul 2016 11:29:50
All this talk of moving the academy together with the first team I don't think it's going to happen, a few months back my company did the pedestrian wind study on a redesign of Kirby had 6 pitches couple low rise buildings, so unless everybody is moving to Kirby I don't see it happening.

10 Jul 2016 11:50:45
The only site Liverpool have looked at is farm land in Maghull near to the M58,south of Ashworth hospital off School Lane.

10 Jul 2016 12:09:53
Still doesn't negate the fact that we tested the wind with extra buildings new training pitches, everything to me points to it not being joint together anytime soon.

10 Jul 2016 10:09:40
When Matip goes to the ACONs in January is there any chance of signing Caulker on loan! he'd be great cover.

10 Jul 2016 11:19:20
Haha, as a striker?

10 Jul 2016 12:42:16
Cover for mane and matip. Genius.

10 Jul 2016 18:05:27
OP, we already tried Caulker as cover last season and it was a bad move so why do it again? Wouldn't that be insanity?

11 Jul 2016 10:49:24
Uhm, redohio, I think you'll find it was a joke.
Maybe we should introduce subtle Scouse irony into the Ohio school curriculum. ;)

10 Jul 2016 08:07:43
Juventus was an error, thank you for highlighting that. Doesn't change my comments however.

10 Jul 2016 11:44:19
It sort of does, as Pogba has nothing to do with either Liverpool or PSG so stating him as a reason as to why you think PSG will be the "likley destination" for Couthinio makes no sense.

09 Jul 2016 22:24:32
Hey Eds! Great job on the site. Visit practically every day.

I watched the game vs Tranmere. Good to see youth players being fielded. Which youth players are most likely to break into the first team? Or maybe selected on the bench.

{Ed091's Note - ojo, branagan looking likely.

10 Jul 2016 09:24:56
Brannagan looked excellent. Allbeit only vs Tranmere, it was the quality of his first touch and speed of his decision making that made all the difference, he knew exactly what he was going to do with it before he received it.

Im also really hoping Ojo breaks through this season, looks like he has it all this lad.

I was also impressed by Alexander-Arnold, not sure if he's this season or next though.

Chirivella, Ejaria, Kent, Wilson etc. all need another year to develop IMO.