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10 Jun 2014 22:40:30
I've seen that Nigel de Jong May be available, I guess with cam coming I. There is no interest or chance Eds?
Also on another issue I think now Sami is brighton manager expect some loans this season. Great 4 me as my now home town
{Ed002's Note - There is no interest.}
10 Jun 2014 22:39:29
Hi Eds. Do you know if there is any interest and willingness to listen to offers for any of Shaktar's Brazilian contingent. Namely Taison, Douglas Costa, luiz Adriano, Bernard and Alex texira. Thanks in advance
{Ed002's Note - Try the European pages.}
10 Jun 2014 20:52:45
Not Liverpool related but seeing that the world cup is nearly upon us was jusr thinking of all the brazilian teams of the seventies and eighties that I remember and used to excite everyone with their style of fancy football, and watching them in the last few years and thinking, European footballs got a lot to answer for! Just think that since the exodus of players to europe and the regimented footy that we play seems to restrict the fancy football that they used to play?
11 Jun 2014 00:19:18
Thats why we're loving our style at the mo
Hope we get more attacking if anything not more defensive
Brazil world cup 1982. zico, socrates, falcao, eder, junior etc. purr, drool. the most entertaining side i have ever seen. i was gutted when they went out to italy, almost more upset than england going out. if they were better defensively i'm sure they would have been champions. where have i heard that before? oh yeah.
11 Jun 2014 08:33:34
1994, Brazil. Romario and Bebetto. I became a fan of Romario.
11 Jun 2014 11:18:35
Jeffinho
that was a brilliant team- without the heroics of one Paulo Rossi they would have gone all the way
11 Jun 2014 12:06:08
The Brazil teams 82/86. HOW did they not lift the world cup although that French team that beat them on pens were very good it showed how much it took out of them to beat brazil they were knackered for the semi final.
10 Jun 2014 18:54:57
eds, if lallana doesn't sign who would be are other potential targets?
{Ed002's Note - You need to read the posts.}
10 Jun 2014 18:22:15
when do you think the deal for Moreno will be completed? be nice if you had time to answer thank you.
{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer questions about timescales.}
10 Jun 2014 18:21:40
Ed002, you stated that payment terms are the only thing that is yet to be agreed in the Moreno deal. Is the expectancy that these will be agreed? Thank you.
{Ed002's Note - I really don't know - it will be a big deal as the club will be struggling with the money.}
Ok Ed thanks. By the way, I posted something about this the other day but I'm not sure it made it through- is a basic fee agreed, but not the specific payment details (for example one instalment as opposed to three), or not even a fee agreed yet? Cheers.
{Ed002's Note - I cannot make it any clearer than I keep doing.}
10 Jun 2014 18:21:05
ed, when do you think the deal for Moreno
{Ed002's Note - ICAQAT.}
Translates as : I [Ed] can't answer questions about times.
Thanks mate, good photos. seem a lot more personal than press photos knowing a fan took them.
Carry on keep on taking them. cheers
10 Jun 2014 18:21:02
I would like to share a link to my photos from yesterday's England Training Session here in Rio (mainly of LFC players).
http://1drv.ms/1l2r90y
Nice one LFC_Brazil, nice to see something other than just the standard press pics. Were these from today? How was Stevie looking fitness wise?
Thanks Bruce. They were taken yesterday morning. Stevie didn't do any ball work just sprints and stretches but from what I've heard he doesn't normally train much anyway.
10 Jun 2014 18:20:50
Please could someone enlighten me as to our situation or prospective situation. we have signed lambert we have signed Emre can to be announced in July? We are in a nearly stage where to terms of payment need to be sorted with moreno and we aren't offering what Southampton want for llanana.
Thank you in advance for any replies even the sarcastic ones :)
10 Jun 2014 21:46:15
Hi Harold,
At the moment I understand the situation for Lallana is that Saints will not consider a sale of the player until their new manager has been appointed and had the opportunity to convince the player to stay-so this dictates some time after the WC at the earliest. Confirmation of this can easily be found on the Saints WS.
It is also understood that the offer made for Lallana by LFC was a LONG way short of Saints valuation, in that the gross figure was too low and also supplemented by silly add-ons which are of no interest to Saints.
So, IMHO, and not being sarcastic, I suspect by the time any acceptable deal could be hammered out it will be clear Suarez is leaving and Adam may suddenly not be so keen on a move! (Not that him being keen is paramount until LFC meet the terms, with Adam under a long term contract.)
Can't see Saints lowering their valuation, indeed if he has a good WC it could increase.
10 Jun 2014 18:10:51
I'd rather keep Suso than buy Lallana, would be so daft to let him go!
I'm with y you there square. Seems silly to lose such a good player when he looks like he might be ready to step up. He has also played in all the same positions as llallana as well so it's not as though we'd be sacrificing versatility
Rodgers has worked with young players throughout his coaching career. He obviously feels Suso has deficiencies in his game and isn't prepared to offer a new contract to him.
{Ed002's Note - Where do you get this stuff from? The club did offer him a new contract.}
I don't think suso is quite what you boys believe him to be. His game time in spam hasn't been that much and scouts will have watched him constantly. If he was within a whisker of regular first team then the club would give assurances. Lallana is in his prime and will be quality 4 us 100%
11 Jun 2014 08:04:38
Lallana is already 26 and at his prime. Suso in 6 years would be wither a world beater or Jack wilshere.
Suso is a very talented player, but being a little bit over the top about his ability I feel. In the premiership he would do fine but I doubt he would stand out for another year or so
Just sends the wrong message to potential young recruits. If you're not ready in 2 years then we will buy someone who is ready. Personally I like to see some patience with youngsters rather than doing a city or Chelsea and just buying our success, that didn't work out too well for us in the past
{Ed002's Note - I think you will find that Manchester City and Chelsea have bought lots of youngsters for the future.}
10 Jun 2014 18:10:32
Hi eds does anyone know when the tickets for the borussia dortmund friendly go on sale?
{Ed002's Note - Try the Liverpool club page.}
10 Jun 2014 16:21:49
I've just found out about Ian St John's cancer battle and wanted to use this brilliant site to wish him and his family the very best of luck. Our thoughts are with you all.
Best of luck Saint
As well as being a great player and a true LFC legend, he never shied from any battle.
As well as being a great player and a true LFC legend, he never shied from any battle.
10 Jun 2014 18:17:22
Grew up on saints and greavsie, get we'll soon to a Liverpool legend and one of my first Hero's
Yep good luck to him from me
Same as Bob. "R Greavsie ya kill mi." Saturday football focus slot. Only ever saw bits of footage of him as a player, but Liverpool legend, get well soon.
A genuine red legend. Get well soon Saint.
10 Jun 2014 15:00:45
Eds, a question for you's. People are slating fullbacks like Moreno for being 'too attack minded' etc, but is it not exactly what we're looking for? Good attacking fullbacks, so they can join our attack when gerrard sits back and we play with 3 at the back? Or do you see this as the reason we concede so many goals? Thanks
{Ed002's Note - The goals are conceded because of the style of play rather than because of individual players. Moreno is a good player, there is no question of that.}
Whilst I agree our style of play puts the defence under pressure; Skrtel made 9 individual errors leading to goals and scored 4 own goals; Johnson made 6 individual errors and scored 1 own goal; Mingolet made 5 individual errors. They were the most error prone player in the league for their respective positions last season. So whilst our style doesn't help, there is 25 goals right there caused by 3 players and their lack of focus. Perhaps our style does put extra pressure on them, but its down to them not to buckle under it. For example, Sakho, Toure, Flanagan and Cissokho combined made less errors than Johnson, let alone Skrtel. But Skrtels all action no substance style impressed the more easily pleased fans.
10 Jun 2014 15:57:44
That may be true ems but I'm sure they were faced with more pressure than other players as well. Pressure leads to mistakes.
Yes but Adam the mistakes are a consequence of our attacking play. When teams broke against us at times our defenders were hung out to dry. I don't think that new defenders will magically change our goals against.
Tjred
that is why they are payed big wages and play for their countries, but how can they be put under more pressure that our other defeders EMS mad a great post with the stats which backs up why we never won the prem, imagine - 25 instead of + 25 goals and how many points that just one of them mistakes cost us, its all ifs and buts now but take away the players making mistakes then there will be less mistake, look at GJ a seasoned, experienced international player and his mistakes to flanno, playing out of position not much prem experience and a kid, and he still made less mistakes, we had no left back and it told, don't forget other teams attack weak players and the other teams weakest links were our right back and skertal and mingolet if his mistakes were crossed off then maybe we would of won the prem, but again its all if and buts, BR is trying to rectify this with a LB and a CB new signings
Those stats are a little misleading. John Terry didn't make many mistakes leading to goals because whenever he made a mistake there were players around him to mop up and stop the threat.
That is the issue here. For Liverpool an individual mistake will lead to a goal scoring chance almost every time, because of the system we play, for other teams mistakes can be swallowed up by the rest of the team.
Stats are a load of nonsense in my opinion. They don't take all the factors into consideration.
10 Jun 2014 18:03:50
Stats don't tell the whole picture at all. How many of those individual errors cost us points? Granted some of them will but errors are bound to happen over a 38 game season. 84 points is some going and I'm sure would have won the league in another season.
10 Jun 2014 18:13:15
We need a defensive minded LB than an Offensive minded one.
My mate once scored 7 in a season from left mid(average) 6 were in one match. So in the remaining 20 odd games he scored one.
Stats can be misleading
In Ancelotti's last season at Chelsea they played the exact same style; 4-4-2 diamond, fast and direct counter attacking play. They scored more goals than we did with Anelka and Drogba up top, but only by 4. They won the league because Bosingwa, Terry, Alex, Cole and Cech did not give the opposition goals. I could accept maybe 2 or 3 errors. Errors are expected over 38 games. But 13 goals were Skrtels fault! that's worse than 1 every 3 games. No way can that be excused because we attack.
No question Johnson needs to be replaced by flanno we need a left back and could do with a center half to play a high line rather than drop back like Skrtel
Maybe Chelsea won the league because the midfield helped the defence out when they lost the ball? As I said stats are a load of nonsense.
How could the midfield offering more support stop Skrtel repeatedly being caught behind play and slicing or heading the ball into is own net as he sprints back into position? How could the midfield offering more support stop Skrtel and Mingolet from being completely silent as they both swing a fist/foot at the same ball allowing Richardson to come in and score? How could more midfield support stop Mingolet conceding a soft goal to Negredo that most outfield players would've saved?
I get that you want to support the players and yes in some cases, stats should be taken with a pinch of salt. However when 3 players have directly attributed for half of our league goals scored, surely you start asking questions? They cost us the title. The odd mistake is annoying but okay (Kompany set up Coutinho at Andield slicing a clearance) but world class players can deal with pressure and make less mistakes. Even Steven Caulker of Cardiff (who spent a lot more time defending than we did) made 0 defensive errors. He isn't even world class, but he didn't gift the opposition goals.
I think people are so intent on being the No.1 fan and so scared of facing up to the issues that are blatantly obvious in our team, they are papering over cracks and just hoping we score 120 goals next year.
If you drove 200 miles and when you got there you realised you had a flat tyre what would you do? Pump your tyre back up so you have a smoother more efficient drive home? Or say to yourself "well it did 200 miles once, it can do it again"? You don't accept your problems just because you got by. You iron them out and do better.
11 Jun 2014 07:54:38
Ems,
I think you are being unfair. I am not one of these super fans who won't hear crticism about our team nor am I papering over the cracks. I am all for skrtl being replaced. As for migs, he may have made mistakes but he also saved us a lot of points throughout the season with Stoke home, villa away, city home and Everton 3-3 draw springing to mind so IMO it balances out there. I just think we didn't win the title because over the course of 38 games city were the better side. It isn't worth over analysing, we over achieved in truth and as disappointing as it was to come so close I am delighted with our season.
Tbt 87red, it was Migs firat season and he is still a baby in keeper terms. Skrtrel and Johnson had no excuse to perform so poorly though. If we want to move forward, we at the very least need to replace Skrtel. Johnson and Mingolet might have made a lot of errors, but they are not really critically bad. I mean if you add Johnson and Migs errors/own goals together you get 12 which is still lower than Skrtels 13. Whilst Johnson still accounted for 7 goals his own gosl was an unfortunate deflection as he blocked a David Silva cross and he at the very least suits our style of play; even if he does lack focus. Mingolet might well improve. However Skrtel is supposedly in his prine and will never suit our style purely because he is too error prone and too slow.
Stats are a decent barometer of performance for cricket, but not for football.
Can't really compare us to ancelotti's chelsea, as you did, as we don't play 442 diamond every single game. It was more of a tactical change than the norm in my opinion.
Everyone notices Johnson but only some notice Skrtel. I would love him replaced.
We don't play the diamond every game but we still played the same kind of guns blazing style. Formation is literally just where the players are. General tactics such as speed of transition from defence to attack and the numbers you pour forward remain the same. Chelsea were if nothing else, more attacking than us. Malouda, Lampard and J.Cole couldn't defend for their lives. Essien wasn't that good haha ;)
I get what you are saying though. We were more versatile in terms of formation. We do need to stregthen at the back though. Manchester City were just as free flowing and attacking as us (they actually scored more) but they didn't concede over 50 goals. They didn't play a more defensive style than us, they just have a better defence. Zabaleta, Clichy, Kolorov and Kompany are top top players all in their prime. We have no top players in their prime. We have Enrique, Skrtel, Agger and Johnson who are in their prime years but not playing like top players. Then we have Toure who is an aging stalwart brought in for experience and leadership in the dressing room. The rest of our defence is then made up of younger lads who might become top players; Migs, Flanno, Cissokho, Sakho, Kelly, Ilori, Wisdom etc.
It is so obviously the weakest area of our team. I'm not a bad fan for spotting that. Slate the stats all you want, but within reason they are very good at determining the quality of a player. Refusing to acknowledge stats as blatantly bad as 4 own goals and 9 individual errors merely smacks of ignorance.
10 Jun 2014 14:06:47
A source has told me that we are interested in jonathan dos santos from barcelona is there any truth this eds? I would think after we signed Can that we wouldn't be signing anymore CMs but my source in confident there's interest?
Cheers eds
{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware of.}
Can't see that unless Joe Allen is going. With the signing of Can I'd already be suprised if Lucas stays. I just don't think we need another centre mid/defensive mid. Gerrard, Hendo, Can, Allen and Lucas is already over stocking for 2 positions. Santos would make it 6 players for 2 spots! We do have an academy with some grray young midfielders (Lussey, Rossiter, Pelosi, Chivarella). It'd be nice if a couple of them made the numbers up to 6. But 6 senior players is asking for trouble.
Players want to play.
10 Jun 2014 14:48:07
I am huge critic of Allen, when he was bought in. But If BR brings Lallana and Allen doesn't get a chance to play this year, Then that's a slap on the face of us and him of wasting 15 mill.
I seriously feel for Allen now, I don't see him playing anytime soon.
Clear something up for me Harry you
dislike allen or his transfer fee?
if Allen then why?I am all up for defending him
If it happens to what you say harry, should be more of a slap on allen for letting lallana get ahead of him.
10 Jun 2014 15:22:10
Allen was BR's choice and I wasnt really happy when we bought him, The Price too did played a huge part, As I believe We were so Adament to get him we did over pay.
He was dubbed as someone of this generation and BR was giving up excuses after excuses when He was clearly way off the mark.
We don't play the way Swansea played, We actually are never going to play.
Allen started really well and I was about to loose the bet, But then came his injury and came back and injured hismelf again. In the mean time. Liverpool moved on from phase 1 to phase 4. Allen was still in Phase 1.
Allen did got opportunities at will, Probbaly more than any other out of form player in the league.
But coming end of the season, The lad was showing some possitive glimpse.
Now with the imminent arrival of Lallana, Allen won't feature unless some doesn't get injrued.That would ruin his career to a great extent.
BR should have the guts to defend his signings.
Allen was overrated off the back of one decent season in my opinion and I would have no regrets if he were to go.
Harry you got to realize that br brought Allen to play the Swansea way which we were in the first half of the season
then Allen got injured br changed tactics Allen got injured again what has the lad done wrong?he was part if our best midfield display Spurs away put in some fine displays towards the end of the season
and I believe lallana is being brought as a wide forward what's wrong in having quality backup?
10 Jun 2014 15:38:56
forget about the allen price
it was a market value at the time. swansea didn't want to sell, so we had to pay a bit more to twist their arm.
he's a good player who will get better like hendo.
lallana is flexible, he doesn't necessarily need to compete with joe for the same spot.
You made sense harry in your 2nd post :))
What people forget about the Allen signing is that Gerrard had had injuries the year before. Therefore as a new manager (one who likes to dominate midfield) BR went for a player he knew would be able to play the way he wanted and, additionally, it was a safety net in case Stevie broke down. Of course Stevie didn't get injured and Allen did!
10 Jun 2014 18:08:00
Isn't that What I said, I would put the blame on BR rather than Allen of bringing players of his choice and then changing his mind at his will.
Allen isn't flexible enough to adapt to the system we play. Gerrard, Countinho Henderson, All did adapt to the different system.
Lucas and Allen couldn't, So they are benched.
Lets Not talk about Inflated price, So then we will have come after 3 years with the same post for MORENO AND LALLANA if they Fail.
10 Jun 2014 18:18:36
If BR is given the credit of Sturridge and Countinho, He should be Equally held responsible for our transfer failures.
I don't think any manager would get such a wonderful owners in FSG.
So Harry why the fsg criticize Allen?gerrard has adapted (50%) give allenya chance
10 Jun 2014 19:02:31
Reet
Exactly. That's what I want, But do you think He would be getting chances?.
Joe Allen played in two thirds of our PL games and we finished second. I'd say he's doing fine.
Allens key task for me, was to have a man that knew BRs way of playing, when he was trying to transform our style. And if he could take the step up, it's a bonus. I believe he is a good quality squad player, and that at the time we didn't have the choice of that many other players.
Look at Moyes failure at Manchester United. If he had a player or 2 more that was backing him up also on the pitch, then I believe he would still be in the job. Rogers did the right thing in a tranformation year
11 Jun 2014 08:08:03
Hard
Moyes reign was completly different from Allen. Moyes style never sutied UTD. He wouldn't change anything at UTD. couldn't buy player, couldn't motivate. 71 croses in the box in a single game shows what was moyes doing at UTD.
Being a little harsh on Allen I think. Yes maybe he is not everyone's cup of tea, but he does a job lots of players don't do well and he is not fussy about playing the flashy role some crave.
He has had injuries and has played a limited role but has rarely had a poor game over last season.
Its funny how many see coutinho as being a fantastic star, which in many games he really was and I love the way he plays but he also had more poorer games I would argue than allen did, mainly due to over playing the ball.
There is and should not be shame in playing the right pass not matter how simple, but yes you also need players who can cut through that like coutinho and gerrard
Are reet and homefan the same person?
10 Jun 2014 13:00:20
Hey Eds, I know this is a very generalized question but is there any strong interest in a RB or potentially a defensive midfielder as well (im assuming Can is going to be Rodgers signing for DM) or would this more depend on potential sales of players such as johnson and lucas etc. thanks
{Ed002's Note - RB - not right now. DM - Can.}
10 Jun 2014 12:07:35
hi eds/all if its true that the moreno deal is stalling because sevilla are looking for more money or more money up front? why don't Liverpool make a stand and tell them where to go Rodriguez of wolfsburg imo much better signing got 5 goals and I think 9 assists, quiet decent but imo better at defending than moreno and could be are left back for years to come, all these continental clubs are well aware of the deal the premier lge signed and how much money they got so as usual trying to get as much as possible out of the english clubs not that I blame them there right, but we and other english clubs need to make a stand up and say no .anyway br forget moreno and go after rodriguez and go after serge aurier for the right side to.great work eds ty
10 Jun 2014 18:08:15
The issue isn't the amount, it's how we stagger the payments that is delaying everything. Relax, the deal will be completed eventually. We won't just move onto another target. The price is fine, it's just a minor detail
{Ed002's Note - It is actually quite a major detail for the club.}
10 Jun 2014 20:13:42
Ed002. Thanks for that reply. I fainted when I saw this. ". The price is fine. "
10 Jun 2014 11:38:50
Any way of finding out the extent of José María Giménez's injury? I've been unable to get up to date info, perhaps hasn't been assessed/announced yet. Just wondering because his absence would improve Coates' chances of playing & hopefully stirring up some demand for his sale.
10 Jun 2014 10:43:21
Hi Ed2,
I know this is not LFC related but I was after your opinion on both Sepp Blatter and the Qatar World Cup issue. Do you think there is likely to be suitable action taken such as relocation of the 2022 a World Cup, and do you ever think Blatter will be made to stand down and a thorough and proper overhaul of FIFA will take place?
It staggers belief that he is claiming racism for the World Cup in Qatar now.
Thank you
Bryan
{Ed002's Note - If the claims are proven then the four other countries that bid for the 2022 World Cup will be asked if they wish to retender. If the claims are not proven then the World Cup will stay with Qatar. There are no allegations and there is no suggestion that Mr Blatter was involved in or knew of any wrong doing, but it really is time for him to go now.
Thanks Ed. That's the trouble with the Press nowadays as they constantly report there being thousands of emails and documents showing bribes etc. It's hard to know what's actually taken place.
I for one would like a complete overhaul of all of the governing football bodies. Too much power for any individual or group cannot be good for the game.
{Ed002's Note - It will eventually happen.}
10 Jun 2014 10:34:49
The Moreno deal has been held up due to Sevilla's negotiations with Barca regarding Rakitic which are now done. It is now thought that they will concentrate on finalising Moreno's move to LFC. The auction they were hoping to start hasn't materialised because Chelsea will sign Felipe Luiz and Real Madrid have Contraeo and Marcelo. Napoli cannot afford the fee being asked and Spurs are not that interested. All things being equal should be wrapped up this week.
10 Jun 2014 13:23:19
They are not going to compromise on the price tag.
Jetha, i've heard that before, but the thing is, the Rakitic sale has nothing to do with Moreno - Sevilla are just trying to conjure up a bidding war.
10 Jun 2014 11:16:40
hi eds and reds
in the last 2 hours the Liverpool echo has reported the the moreno deal has stalled due to seville wanting a bigger chunk of money up front as they need to raise transfer funds, the deal was struck and agreed through installments, I hope this helps
{Ed002's Note - We dealt with this yesterday.}
This was not in the Liverpool Echo itself. Its in the transfer rumours section and is taken from the national press. This is not the echos reporters saying this.
10 Jun 2014 10:57:30
Just read that Ian St John has had major surgery in his battle against cancer. Now 76 years old.
Great servant for the club and I know that everyone will join me in wishing the Saint a full and speedy recovery.
10 Jun 2014 12:32:47
Get well soon saint before all this media coverage of football we had saint and greavsie on Saturday with a lot of saint pissing his sides laughing at greevsies antics.
I remember going into our local barbers shop on West Derby Road, when I was just a kid, and asking for an Ian St John cut, then years later, after playing in some cup match, just outside of Liverpool, there was my hero, getting a shower, and he was great with me and the other lads, asking did we win and that, I wish him a speedy recovery,
ha just recalled a joke . what would you do if Jesus came to Anfield . put Ian St John on the wing .
Yeh I only read about ian st john, please god everything goes well and he gets better soon. great player and great character.get well soon
'Up popped the head
Of Ian St John'
Proper Legend
10 Jun 2014 09:44:47
Do people here not rate Andre Ayew? Posts involving him invariably get crucified with the disagree/unbelievable button. He is absolutely brilliant. This is the guy who won African Player of the year in 2011 at 21 years old and has been one of Marseilles only good players for the last 3 years. It's no coincidence that the one season he struggled with injury Marseille were average. He still grabbed 6 goals and 3 assists.
He's like a little Ghanian Sterling with the deceptive aerial ability of Tim Cahill! Cahill aside, I've never seen such a little guy (5ft9) make beating a 6ft3 defender to a header so easy.
He has pace, power, directness and a wicked shot. Why does everyone seem to be against signing him for such a reduced price? Shaquiri has stated he wants to stay at Bayern and Konoplyanka will probably go elsewhere. Ayew has proved his fitness since his injuries so what's the anti all about?
There is literally one downside to this transfer: he will occasionally head off to play in the African cup of nations.
I've not seen him play tbh so can't comment .
However I did read an article the other day suggesting he was poor in comparison to other potential targets griezman an konoplyanka (I think). The article was based on stats.
I guess this is where a lot of people (not all) form opinions.
10 Jun 2014 11:58:26
Don't know about "literally only one downside". He's unproven in the prem for one (not that konoplyanka or shaqiri are either). Personally, I think he relies too much on his pace to beat a man and doesn't have the skill of lallana, or his defensive capabilities - but hey that's just my view and I'm sure you have your own.
Stats are great, but I'd be interested to know what stats they used and the length of time being considered. No to mention the fact Konoplyanka plays in a worse league, and Greizeman plays in a much stronger team.
I agree with you though, not everyone is gonig to have the same opnions.
That's a fair point regarding him being unproven in the Prem Puzzled. I'd disagree with his reliance on pace though. He is not skillful, but is an excellent dribbler of the ball. Defensively he is very good also and has been used at left back and central midfield before because of this.
I wasn't aware of his contract situation until I saw he only has one year left the other day and he's essentially gonig for half what he would've cost otherwise. He won't be a starter for us, but as a sqaud player (which is what Shquiri or Kono would be also) he'd be a great option proven in a strong European league and in the Champions league.
I'd drive to Marseille and fetch him!
10 Jun 2014 12:31:17
5"9 isn't little! It's average height in the UK ;)
My apologies Fitzy. I'm only 5ft10 anyway! That's took 3 growth spurts haha! At nearly 21, I'd say I'm only going to start shrinking from here on in :(
10 Jun 2014 13:18:32
I haven't seen much of him. He has got pace and would be a good adition to the squad, considering all other wingers are priced far too much.
Dont think we have an interest in the player.
Hi eds do Liverpool hold an interest in Andre Ayew?
Mighty reds
{Ed001's Note - yes.}
According to Ed001 we are still interested Harry :)
{Ed002's Note - l'OM are more than happy to sell Andre Ayew and if anyone makes an acceptable offer to both the club and player then he will move on. Knee surgery blocked any chance of a January move but he is now back fully fit and has been playingin the team. Last summer saw some interest from Newcastle, Inter Milan, Arsenal, Aston Villa and Dynamo Kyiv. Liverpool also enquired after a guideline price for the player last summer. It will be, primarily, down to his agent to see what other potential suitors there are - probably in Italy or England. The player has suggested he would like to move on to a "better" side and cited Chelsea, Real Madrid or Barcelona as ideal destinations - he will be waiting a long time for that. l'OM has not been approached by Liverpool but are aware of speculation. An offer from Napoli was rejected and I am told Biesla wants him to stay but others want him out - however, if l'OM can get Newcastle interested in Ayew then they can focus on Cabella as his replacement.}
10 Jun 2014 14:35:34
I don't see this happening. BR has identified his targets long back. Adam lallana tops the list. It would be a waste of time, We crib the Ed's on names.
Lallana would come in at any cost. Either He would be Exceptional or not.
I am quiet a believer now, BR is more adament than Bentitez. Benitez atleast had some options. BR is sticking like a glue on Lallana.
We would be playing the Dimanod whole year.
Also, as ed001 has said, we are interested in so many players, but we won't go for all of them.
being interested does not mean we will ever enquire for him, let alone bid.
10 Jun 2014 09:37:12
Hi Ed's. Thanks for the great speculation feedback once again after a very successful season I must say. Odds on us to get into top 4 ;) though giving the richest team in sport, a good run for there money and going on a unbelievable unbeatable run from the new year in the premiership. In Brendan we trust from day one. I must say that the early business strikes me to think that we won't be held judgemental for the early signings. Ricky Lambert is going too be a success this world cup I think. Emre Can, well to be honest I have not heard of this young german. Let's hope Big Sammi Hyypia had mentioned something.
10 Jun 2014 09:08:33
Read today that Liverpool are looking to hijack Evertons move for Adam Johnson with a swap deal including Borini. How does this sound to you's? Clever? stupid? Or is it all just complete crap?
{Ed002's Note - Unlikely to me.}
10 Jun 2014 09:25:33
Borini is better than Johnson on current form.
Well said Harry. Johnson is lazy (must be a characteristic that comes with the name!) And getting on now. Borini puts in 110% every game, and he is still young. Ability wise they are inseparable. It's about your desire to express that ability though. Adam Johnson had one good game last season that came in one above average month. Then he went missing again just like he did at Man City.
If we swap Borini for Johnson, we better get £15m cash in as well; £10m for Borini and £5m for taking Johnson off their hands.
I heard that Liverpool and Southampton are looking to do a deal involving Borini and Lallana. Don't know if there is any substance to it.
Red Rum
10 Jun 2014 13:20:02
No deal with southampton with player exchange.
Ability wise Johnson is miles ahead.
10 Jun 2014 14:57:07
Bobarton
Sorry mate, But what kinda abilites are you refering to. Running from one end to the another and then? He is 26, couldn't cement a place in the national side. Not even in a top 4 side.
Borini is a striker, Given 5 continous games, He would score atleast 2 goals. Adam Johnson isn't a starter at Sunderland.
Is that a fact that every time Borini starts 5 games in a row he gets 2 goals?
Johnson was pretty much a MASSIVE part in keeping Sunderland up. He's one of the few England players that attack the goal, he creates a lot of space on the wing by cutting in, has an abundance of natural talent, can cross, shoot, pass a good long ball. He's better than Borini
10 Jun 2014 08:25:47
Good morning Eds
Im sorry to start the day on the Moreno thing but last night it was looking a done deal. Some reports saying he was on tlhis way to us to complete. You said basicly was just the payment instalments to be agreed. And the latest is we are still trying to agree on a fee for him?
Sorry Ed just trying to make sense of this complecated transfer.
{Ed002's Note - I explained what the outstanding issue is yesterday. Read the posts. There is nothing more to say.}
10 Jun 2014 09:32:10
Sevilla fee for the player is out of everyone reach. can't blame FSG not going over the odds. I am rightly with them on this.
10 Jun 2014 15:26:50
Harry, do you actually read the posts? The fee is not the issue, it's actually been agreed for days now. What is in dispute is the structure of those payments. The papers I believe have got it right in that they want more £££ upfront. I see no reason that the clubs should not reach an amicable compromise. There is no rush as the Window isn't even open yet.
10 Jun 2014 04:45:27
What possible Right Backs are we actually thinking of going in for?
YNWA!
{Ed002's Note - Not a priority as far as I know.}
10 Jun 2014 11:15:09
As far as I am aware the expectation is that next season it will be Flanno & Johnson competing for the spot. The only thing that could change this is if we are hit with a long term injury to either one or Johnson leaving (unlikely). Even then we have Kelly & for now Wisdom who can play in that position.
We are in for Glen Johnson, Jon Flanagan, Andrew Wisdom, Martin Kelly and Ryan McLaughlin. I think the chances of getting all five of them are quite good, and would be 5 good options for the season.
That being said, should we not be able to get one of these players I would think that BR will make do with what we have.
10 Jun 2014 00:35:22
How's it going eds. just a quick 1 on suso.
Does Brendan still rate him and hearing Porto are interested do you know what kind of money we would be looking for? I really wouldn't mind seeing him move on if we had a buy back clause as I think in a year or 2 he will have kicked on into a very useful player. You look at a lot of players to come out of the Portuguese league and do well in all different countries, very god place for him to learn and mature. Thanks as always
{Ed002's Note - Porto are interested but we don't discuss money.}
I wondered if we'd be selling to Porto for 3 million and then buying him back again in 3 years time for 30 million. I really hope that rumour is not true. Personally I'd rather keep Suso than spend 30 million on Lallana.
10 Jun 2014 02:18:10
Hi Eds, great work. First time post after 3 Years Reading this site. Great Work guys. Love Liverpool but what I have notice in this 3 Years Arda Turan Rumours never stop. I know he is a Liverpool fan but not every Liverpool fan will be playing for Liverpool. We can stop this rumours. Its getting bored.
3 seasons, . try just about to have it's sixth birthday! It is 6 seasons this Summer, ever since Turan performed in Euro's 2008 he's been linked with us, compounded even more after he admitted he supported Liverpool in 2010. :)
10 Jun 2014 00:34:01
Haven't seen much of Moreno but believe he is more of an attack minded full back and not the best defensively, strange really when our defence needs tightening up.
10 Jun 2014 06:56:39
I hope we havnt signed another Fullback that doesn't track back?
Our centre backs could be under real pressure otherwise.
We will have to wait and see, I want him to be fantastic, it is a position that has needed to be addressed for a good few seasons.
I can't see him being here very long as a left back. He's far more suited to playing as a winger. Even in La Liga he is regarded as positionally poor and weak in the tackle.
He is fast and great going forward, but defensively I just don't rate him. I'm not going to bemoan his signing if it happens, but I let my views be heard and this guy is no better than what we have.
Of course I'll give him a chance, Rodgers made Sturridge and Coutinho into top players didn't he? Perhaps he can coach some defensive awareness and toughness into Moreno's game.
Maybe Brendan will coach him into being a proper left back? He's only young. Just a thought like.
10 Jun 2014 09:24:45
YNWAdam
As much as I am with you on this, I have a question. Y are we being dumb to bring a player who would cast serious doubt.
We have Glenn Johnsons with a similar attributes, Great going forward. Poor defending. And we are bringing another player similar?
I am sorry mate, But I don't get this logic.
Rodgers rates Johnson though doesn't he. So Moreno being more attacking then a defender is right up Rodgers street. Just not mine! Haha, we just have to trust he knows what he is doing. Barcelona got away with Alves at right back for years and he was ridiculously attacking. As long as they put in the effort to get back and work on their defensive qualities, it can work.
10 Jun 2014 10:30:56
Lol. He hasn't even signed yet and fans are already on his back.
El Pistolero, I'd hardly say we're on his back. Just expressing a concern that he is not great defensively. Nobody here is saying he's awful, just questioning if he's an improvement on what we have.
If I pay for my tickets, buy the merchandise, subsribe to sky etc then I have a right to question how my money is being spent. Every penny the clubs spend indirectly came from the fans or will be paid back indirectly by the fans. We have the right to an opinion, and clearly a lot of people have doubts over Moreno. 30% according to the polls and I'd bet my house at least 50% of those who voted yes haven't even seen him play and are going on the hype/transfer fee.
I'm all up for giving people a chance, In fact I was one of the only people onthe site defending the likes of Lucas, Henderson, Downing, Carroll and Allen. I won't criticise him unfairly but from what I've seen he is no better than Brad Smith or Flanagan.
10 Jun 2014 13:22:30
El
I don't think anyone here would be on the back of a LB. We need a LB more than ever.
But I am not convinced with this purchase, considering his attributes and the price tag.
10 Jun 2014 13:30:56
I spend a lot of time watching German & Spanish football (the vast majority of them being Sevilla/Atletico games) & from what I've seen of Moreno he isn't positionally weak, relatively speaking. He also has pace to burn so he's a tad more flexible - with regards to his starting position - than a lot of full backs. If you look at it culturally as well the difference between English & Spanish football primarily is the behaviour of the fullbacks, in that their primary duty is to attack; although this is being introduced more in the EPL. This means that they're all often caught out of position because we approach it with an understanding that first and foremost your defenders must defend.
One thing I do agree on is that he is relatively weak in the attack, but so are the majority of players in Spanish football. This is as much to do with confidence as it is actual ability & if I'm being completely honest Liverpool have one of the best behind-the-scene structures to help players with mental, aswell as physical, development in Europe.
I suppose that is my main point, in that he's not the finished article. He's 21 years old and is developing extremely well. He is definitely a lot better then what we have currently, JF isn't a LB & Brad Smith I have high hopes for, but is not near 1st team level currently. He is very good going forward, which joining Liverpool is very important as we do adopt a more 'Spanish' approach in our structure & system. If there is one manager that will mould him into a world class LB it is BR, I don't know the kid personally but from what I've seen this guy will (if he signs) be a hit; short-term & long-term.
Out of the LBs in Europe I would prefer Moreno, failing that Rodriguez (Wolfsburg) who I have seen a bit of (I mainly follow Dortmund in the Bundesliga) and who does look decent.
I hope your judgements are right mate. I've seen him play about 10 times whilst looking at Rakitic, but you sound like you've watched him a lot closer.
10 Jun 2014 15:36:25
I badly worded one of my points, I meant to say he's weak in the attack, referring to his tackling style.
I hope so too EMS, he's a very very good player. I don't know what he's like as a person, so I can't discuss his mental attributes in depth apart from the fact that like any Youngster he had a small consistency issue when he first broke into the team (I think last year, I maybe wrong). This season though he was relatively consistent and attracted the interest of a plethora of clubs, including Chelsea & at one time Real Madrid.
10 Jun 2014 00:29:50
I've seen on various sites that Ricardo Rodríguez has pretty much got the best stats (and yes we all know what stats can be made to make a player look good).
How would people compare him to the proposed signing of Moreno? better / worse? Not as good but potential to be better?
I already think our best bit of business was to extend Brendan's contract and regardless of whether people think the 2 signings are good / bad I think they improve the 1st team matchday squad - which is important.
I'd like to hear your opinions.
I've seen both playing a decent amount of times and, for me, Rodriguez is better at defending and his delivery into the box is brilliant. Moreno is the more attack minded fullback and is slightly suspect defensively (especially tackling and positioning) but he has an amazing amount of pace so he can get back into position most of the time. In a perfect world, I would have gone for Rodriguez because I think he's the more rounded fullback but I will be happy with Moreno. It's pretty hard to judge a player's potential only from a few games so I won't comment on that.
Thanks Ramish.
I believe rodriguez took penalties though, certainly helps twist the stays in his favour
09 Jun 2014 23:31:46
Hi eds
First time poster here love the site great work put into it. I was just reading through the posts and was just wondering why is it that you's think if we sign a couple of big name players eg Sanchez lallana etc that would mean goodbye suarez didn't the owners say we had 60 mil plus player sales and I reckon we could get a couple of big names in with that
{Ed002's Note - No idea - when did the owner say £60M plus sales. I assume not playing in Europe matters not to you.}
No mate the point the Eds are making is we are not in a financially viable position to go bidding for players like Sanchez because there are many more costs associated with the transfer than just the transfer fee. Therefore he says that the only reason we would sign such players, cavani and sanchez come to mind, would be to replace suarez, as we would have the financial freedom to do so.
The owners never said 60 million budget, nobody knows, its completely dependent on the player wed be signing, again a larger transfer fee does not mean cheaper overall. So that is also irrelvant to signing 'big name players'. His reference to nit playing in europe is the ban we would get for breaking financial fair play rules if such transfers were to happen.
Not just that we might be banned if we go over the top with transfer fees, but also that we won't actually get any CL money until the end of the season (2014-15).
10 Jun 2014 11:54:57
Haha it matters a lot to me that clears that up then nice 1 them numbers have been flying around in papers weeks now BS
09 Jun 2014 23:14:58
I'm seeing a few rumours from some different channels that Suarez has instructed his agent to let LFC know to turn down any offer for him as he wants to stay at Liverpool. Is there any truth in this or just wishful thinking from LFC friendly press?
Rightly so, can only imagine how gutted Suarez would be to turn up at Melwood for training after the WC and be told - sorry mate your agent sold you to some spanish club in the summer.
09 Jun 2014 23:02:15
The mirror reporting now that Liverpool are not willing to meet sevilla's asking price and Liverpool might start to look elsewere. This transfer is becoming a nightmare, for the last 2 weeks every paper in england and spain were saying it's a done deal. If Rodgers thinks he's not worth what they're asking and they won't budge on the price then he should draw a line under it and move on to other targets, but not bertrand!
Press X to continue season. ;)
Love it 8)
10 Jun 2014 10:32:57
There isn't any issue with the asking price. We've already agreed that. It's the terms of payment. RTFP