Liverpool Banter Archive October 10 2013

10 Oct 2013 22:22:55
Not seen anyone say it do I'm going to. Danny murphy retired, good little player and some good memories to go with it. Super Danny murphy

Capable of excellence. Scored in some big games too. I really liked him as a player. Thanks Danny.

11 Oct 2013 09:44:13
He is a genuine club legend. So many Manchester Utd game goals! Plus he had a 100% penalty record, regardless of whether or not he only took 7. Retires from the game as one of the most under rated greats of our recent history. Scored a few screamers as well!

YNWAdam

I was thinking that Adam. Would be great in our current system. Great technique, intelligent movement and use of the ball and carried a genuine goal threat from midfield. Pace may have been an issue but he played premier league well into his thirties so wasn't really a major problem for him as the other areas of his game more than made up for it.
Very much enjoyed watching him play and wish him all the best. Another success story for the Crewe academy that was mentioned recently, a player not only making a premier league appearance but a long career in the top tier domestically at a few good clubs, overlooked a little at international level perhaps but very well regarded everywhere he has been.

Quality player. in fact when we signed Joe Allen I kinda hoped he would become another Danny Murphy type midfielder. I'm still hopeful that he will

Danny Murphy the English xavi

Very underrated, definitely sold him too early

Agree we got rid of him far to early, considering some of the rubbish we had after he left. A really nice man and a credit to the club, surprisingly small in real life

Murphy = English Pirlo.

12 Oct 2013 21:48:22
got some great goals at old trafford

10 Oct 2013 20:43:07
In reply to Praveen LFC,

I do think Liverpools academy is up there. However it's only just starting to churn out the odd decent player after falling behind for the last decade and a half. If you look at purely the U21's there are maybe a handful of Players who have a strong chance of making it. However look deeper in and at the lower age groups and we have some serious talent coming through. It may be another 5 years before that talent is coming through on a regular basis, but my god it will be worth the wait. When you consider that our U21's is mainly 16-21 year olds, our U18's is mainly 14-17 year olds and our U16's even stretch as low as 13 years old, a lot has to be said for the rate at which players are developing. I agree with Ed001 about Crewe though. We got a decent lad from them, Trickett-Smith. Could be excellent one day.

As for your second question with regards to who could replace Suarez; well it needs to be a versatile forward. I personally think that Muriel is a good player, but could not and will never be able to replace Suarez. He is a victim of hype. A few players who could become as good are Ibe, Bruma and Vilhena. They are all versatile attackers who can play through the middle whilst dropping deeper or wider when required. They are all 2 or 3 years away from regular Premier League football though. In terms of who could instantly replace him (and the most realistic, albeit Iit still unlikely), Diego Costa, El Shawaray and Alexis Sanchez are the best options. Sanchez would be the biggest gamble, but he is seriously talented and very poorly managed at Barca. I hope we don't sign someone like Traore though. That would be an awful decision. Suarez is not just a striker, and cannot be replaced with just goals. Muriel is ridiculously over rated though. He's a good player, but I doubt he'll ever hit 20 goals in a single season.

YNWAdam

Nico Lopez, on loan at Udinese from Roma is very similar to Suarez, in more ways than one, though how he develops is to be seen.

I agree about Muriel. Just what has he done? He has potential, but with weight issues and injury issues so early in his career, will he develop as expected?

If we make CL, Sanchez would be a good shout. There is no chance of Costa moving now I think.

I think Benteke or Jackson Martinez would be good additions.

El Sharaawy will just never happen sadly. He'd be the player I'd love to see but, if he did ever consider leaving Milan, every top club in Europe would be on alert. Even with CL football I'd find it doubtful that we would be able to bring him to the club based purely on the financial side of things. Sanchez would be very interesting but would cost a lot and, in fairness, is difficult to imagine him leaving Barca to join us. The obvious answer is: don't sell Suarez. We do not have the financial lure or the footballing lure to attract a player anywhere near his footballing ability at this moment in time - so why let him go?

Muriel at the right price would be worth a punt but his valuation far exceeds his ability.

Adam, In regards to Muriel could the same not of been said of Costa in the summer? You just never know, I'm not saying I would want him however.
For me there's very few players that could replace Suarez and even fewer attainable ones for LFC.
I doubt any of the ones mentioned are realistic unless we finish top 2.

I think Ibe and Suso will be very much first team players next year and give any 20m-30m signing a serious run for there money. However if we do lose Suarez I would say we can only replace him with 2 players and would imagine we'd switch back to a 433 or similar.
In an ideal world I'd like costa and turan to replace Suarez but I'd settle for a more realistic turan and pastore (I think BR would get him back to his best). And with Suso and Ibe a year better off in their development the future is definitely bright with or without Suarez!

11 Oct 2013 10:10:23
If I'm honest AG I cannot remember seeing Nico Lopez play. If he is a Roma player I'm sure I will have, but I cannot picture him or his style of play. I'm guessing he can be a heas case though? Glad you agree on Muriel. With regards to Benteke and Martinez, although I think they are excellent strikers, I don't know if they are versatile enough. Sometimes our 3-4-1-2 will become a 4-3-3 and in that scenario, neither could play without forcing Sturridge wide. Even in the 3-4-1-2 either playing with Sturridge would make us very narrow up the field. The beauty of Suarez and Sturridge is they are both not afraid of dropping deep or drifting wide to pick up the ball and become a creator. Benteke and Martinez wouldn't do this, but they are brilliant goal scorers.

In reaponse to Seano, I also struggle to see us signing Costa or Shawaray now. They have become well known and key components in their respective teams. However Sanchez is apparently very unhappy with his time at Barca, feels terribly misused and has apparently been subject to bullying from Messi in the same way Messi drove David Villa into the ground. I think if we offered him first team football and a good package, he would come and Barca would sell. He should be played up front where his pace and link up play can do damage, and Barca waste him out wide. He would cost a bit though and I doubt his wages would be cheap. We might be better off letting Aspas have a go and relying on Ibe, Morgan and Yesil for back up. Although Yesil will not drop deeper or drift wider very often, unlike Morgan and Ibe. At the end of the day, all 3 of those players have undoubted talent, but will all fade into Championship players unless we give them a chance to develop further in the first team. You are right though, we'd struggle to sign anyone who could replace Suarez instantly unless Rodgers pulls another Diamond like Sturridge from the rocks.

In reply to Extra Bacon, I think Costa has been showing potential for a while and like Sturridge just needed his manager to show the confidence in him by playing him centrally. Muriel, like AG said is over weight and very injury prone. He is also not as great as the media and FIFA make out. He lacks intelligence with his runs, doesn't get his head up and is a bit bulllish rather than technically astute. He's more Carlos Tevez than Luis Suarez. I agree with you on Suso and Ibe though. I think Coutinho is in for a shock when Suso gets back. Can't think of anything better than those two rotating in that position though and the competition to be first choice will spur them both into becoming world class talents. Don't be suprised if Rodgers is forced to adapt his formation again to accommodate for the both of them. Ibe will likely be more a regular the following season, but he is going to be some player for us. I really do see him partnering Sturridge up front. I think his directness is wasted out wide. He'll be just like Sturridge as a player. Powerful, fast, clinical, creative. I haven't been this excited since Owen!

YNWAdam

El shaarawy would be perfect. A goalscorer with pace and creativity to play on that left wing would in effect win us the title I believe- imagine a front four of suarez/coutinho/el shaarawy//sturridge. That's about 2.5 goals a game just through those four players! The equivalent to about 95 premier league goals per season.
Now I mention this front four when the question was 'with suarez leaving'.
I believe wed have more chance of signing el shaarawy with suarez than without despite financial restrictions.
As things stand we are looking a reasonable shout for top 4: united are In a not too pleasant position to say the least, chelsea are lacking a top striker, city's inconsistency has been obvious, only Eriksen has really stood out of tottenhams signings and, admittedly, arsenal look top class at the moment.
If things continue in this manner I can see arsenal winning the league with us second or third, yet sturridge and suarez anylhating the scoring charts and all the world looking upon our attack as one of the best In Europe.
We now have the champions league football and money to attract and invest, and if things continue for AC Milan as they started (eight points from seven games I believe), they won't.
El shaarawy would then look for a champions league club where a) he would be played, b) the football would suit him, c) he could add something, d) they would pay him a fair amount and e) the league was big and exciting.
We would check all these boxes as we are in desperate need of a top left winger to really take us to that next level, would be willing to invest with the new champions league money, are currently playing the counter attacking football that he thrives upon, we would be serious title contenders looking to hold our own in Europe and of course, in the premier league.

For that reason, I believe el shaarawy could be our next 'marquee' signing and would play with suarez.

11 Oct 2013 14:10:04
At present we are doing pretty well in the league.
But we are yet to play, Arsenal, spurs, Chelsea, CIty and Everton. and even the next two games, Against Newcastle and Westbrom.
we will see where we are end of decemeber.

Actually Adam, what I meant was that Lopez looks physically similar to Suarez! He is highly rated and many drew comparisons with Suarez and Totti.

10 Oct 2013 19:57:51
ED. do you think Aspas would be off next summer?, Either a Loan or a permanent deal.
6 games. no goals and 2 shots. Suarez is back and I don't see him playing anytime,
Even If one gets injured, we would play just one up front. We have FA cup to come and that's it.
7.5 mill on a player, who isn't playing at all.
I do believe we need squad depth, But If we loose sturridge or Suarez, we would go down.

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know what will happen next summer. He had a good pre-season, is well thought of in Spain and by Rodgers and the folks at Liverpool. I pretty sick of the posters constantly trashing the Liverpool players - particularly given the club has been doing very well. I would much rather see you supporting the players - like the fans of other clubs do.}

Agree Ed002, we should be supportive like fans of other football club, especially Chelsea in my opinion. Come on lads we should not let the few ruin it for us.

Well said ed 2 how about getting behind the players. Aspas just needs a bit of time to get use to them prem. Harry don't tell me you was one of those one of those slagging off Hendo and Lucas. You are not happy unless you are digging away.

Whats going on wiv you Harry, your posts have a little substance to them at times. Poor form that lad

Well said ed

Aspas needs to be played up front, that's his best position. he'll never displace suarez or sturridge but he's a good back up

Getting kinda sick of these posts, it's embarrassing and not needed. Every time I see the user Harry scouser I begin to wince as I read the dross. It's getting pretty damn boring now.

Alex

Squad depth is important- Premier League is a different beast to La Liga, don't do to Aspas what has already been done to Borini which is laden him with unfair and unrealistic expectations and then rip into him as soon as he fails to deliver them.

Aspas will need time to settle into and adapt to the pace and physicality of the Premier League - because he hasn't been able to do that in 6 games doesn't make him a bad player, a waste of money or someone we should sell - give the lad a chance, jesus.

Fair play ed genuine class

Its not trashing players ed, aspas is 27 years old had 1 good season in spain.
buying aspas was a mistake an back up striker is essential in a long season.
the gap between suarez/sturridge and aspas is way to big.
we sent borini on loan in the system we are playing now borini would make goals and run for the team.
we are playing like roma, 2 up front borini knows this system.
alberto has real talent and is only 20 that makes sence.
i watch spanish football aspas is simple not good enough.
we should have kept borini and saved aspas fee.
malta

{Ed002's Note - You should get along to the ground, perhaps daub some hate messages on the outside listing the players that are no good and demanding that Rodgers and the scouting staff resign as they are clearly doing such a poor job. Some sort of campaign on Twitter and Facebook to let Aspas know that you think he is trash should help force him out as well. It is essential that so called "fans" such as you let everyone know how you feel.}

10 Oct 2013 15:21:54
Hi Reds and Eds,

I just wanted to share to with you all that I just proposed to my long time girlfriend today.

And she said yes :)

I hope spread some good luck to our boys when the league is back :)

{Ed002's Note - Congratulations from the Eds.}

Congratulations Bennett! All the best!

Congratulations! Best of wishes!

Congrats mate, another lamb for the slaughter lol

Congratulations etc, although I personally don't see the point in marriage, but to each their own ^_^

Congrats bennett :)

Congratulations may it last until the final breath dude

Congratulation mate.
Make sure she can't find the trousers!

Thanks guys :) for the blessings and advice lol.

Unlucky mate

11 Oct 2013 10:06:18
wasnt bennett the bad guy in commando r you his son the girl had no other choice but to say yes.lol good luck mucker.

Congrats man! Did the same thing in February and it's the greatest feeling in the world. All the luck for the future pal!

10 Oct 2013 13:11:36
hi all I am looking to take my kid to him an mines 1st Liverpool game sometime early next year I come from scotland and just wondering the best way to go about trying to get tickets thanks for all posts in advance

Best way is become an official member for you and your boy! It cost £30 quid but you get a fan card! With that you kinda get 2nd choice on tickets! Before they go on general sale! I've been a few games doing it that way even the united game last year!

That's what I though RR thanks for your post gona do it just now

12 Oct 2013 19:34:23
through a supporters club is another way to get tickets once a year but RR's is probobly better.
calmdown

10 Oct 2013 11:06:05
What's Harry Wilson like?

10 Oct 2013 11:21:53
Welsh rarebit and girls!

Good one
No seriously ed001 what is he like as a player {Ed001's Note - from what I have seen of him, he is a completely left-footed wide attacker/winger, who is being used on the right by us. I am sure he could play as a left winger just as easily though, he looks very technically gifted and smooth on the ball.}

Good man

10 Oct 2013 08:05:14
Ed01 - I know your not overly bothered but what's your thoughts on Dario being appointed in this new FA role?
Also just to give you all an update I went to the Sheff Utd game on Friday & Conor came on 25 mins into the first half, neither Sheff Utd or Crawley were anything to talk about but Conor looked the most comfortable on the ball. He misplaced a couple of passes but was still the only player that looked like he wanted the ball & didn't shy away from anything. He even managed to get a chance on goal but the keeper made a good save. Not a bad performance at all but it does make me wonder why he isn't getting a regular game when there didn't look like there was anyone any better on the night!

Cheers

Luigi Riva {Ed001's Note - Gradi should have been given this chance years ago, I just hope they let him have free rein to do what is right for the game.}