Liverpool Banter Archive September 10 2011

 

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10 Sep 2011 23:33:03
I'd trust Dalglish to decide when a player is passed it or not
(ref. Carra). Once upon a time he was deciding if he himself played or sat on the bench. Jamie made one mistake today but
he played a blinder against Arsenal. I think he's still a class act and has a lot to offer the club in experience and leadership.

I hope Kenny does not get involved with ref slagging, which is the most Annoying thing about Fergie/Wenger. Sure refs make mistakes, footballers make mistakes, humans make mistakes, it's in our nature - but I would never watch football again if I really thought refs were bent. The ref made a clear error in not awarding a penalty to liverpool for a handball. He was spot on for the penalty against Liverpool unfortunately. C'est la vie.

Walters dived as he's too fat to say on his feet and it's not mistakes, two pairs of officials eyes saw our two stone wall pens and neither did anything. Refs are bent and one day it will be proven. Kenny can cause a stir and get noticed. Play dirty just like everyone else

Well said indeed

Davey

I have been saying for years refs are bent. As good as Man Utd are they got sorted out big time at key moments which are the key words

I'm sorry but as a united fan i feel it'll be a sad day when liverpool "play dirty like everyone else" you are liverpool and along with us are one of the bastions of english football and fair play, sometimes you get the decisions and sometimes you don't, you need to learn to roll with the dice and keep doing your best.
Shappy

 

 

10 Sep 2011 23:30:44
i just dont get why kenny put skrtel at rb. awful decision

Did he really have a choice, glen just come bk from injury, kelly's injured, flanagan just not ready

Wasn't everyone praising Skrtel, when he replaced Kelly against Bolton. In fact Skrtel was excellent then, today he wasn't he was dire. Its a shame as I can see Kenny's thinking as Carra would have struggled against Etherington's pace in that position. It's a shame Johnson or Kelly werent fit to start.

Papa G

Look he put skirtel in the team for the extra height in defending stokes only form of attack......delaps throw ins.

Tourofduty

Skrtel was by no means the worst player on the pitch for us yesterday. Carra, Hendo & Kuyt were worse imo.

Fensh

 

 

10 Sep 2011 23:21:59
just been reading kenny's thought's about the game today on the official liverpool website and i have to say some people on there and on here should be ashamed of yourselves you really don't have a clue not just about liverpool and what we are trying to do but about football in general.......rant over
JJ blackpool

 

 

10 Sep 2011 23:06:46
I am sick of fans giving the players stick you need to get behind the players and club. We are still in a good position and are playing really well. Its a team game so to keep on giving certain players stick is wrong. We have a great squad and with a bit of luck we would of had maximum points. As King Kenny says we are all one and all need to stick together. This can be a great season just needs everybodys support.

Well said mate
JJ blackpool

Totally! I Can't believe some so called supporters calling Dalglish a King one moment and then at an extremely unlucky defeat he doesn't appear to know what he's doing. Fickle support for Liverpool from those 'so called' fans.

Cuchulainn's Hounds

 

 

10 Sep 2011 22:57:17
ha.........witness the new dawn. long live Queen kenny. lol
Shappy

Shappy mate if you want to post on the Liverpool banter page show some intellect.
Redeyedhector

And to call Kenny a queen, he's got more accolades than you've got brain cells.

I'll get me hot chocolate CD

 

 

10 Sep 2011 22:47:45
Can ye make it so that people that post have to add some sort of a name at the end of their post?
Jay

 

 

10 Sep 2011 22:36:24
Fenway in crisis talks tonight with Dalglish and Commoli. John Henry told earlier today that none of the first team squad has been to the Magritte exhibition at the Tate. "Losing to Stoke was disappointing but to find out that there are no fans of surrealism at Anfield is a real body blow" he is reported to have said to a waiter who was serving him pea soup in a top LA restaurant.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 22:22:46
Watching the game live I phoned my mate to ask why Henderson was on the pitch at all. Not a winger and cant retain possession. Then he gets a sitter in the second half and fluffs it- Kenny should have subbed him for Bellamy at half time. 20m what a joke-should have added a bit extra and gone for Aguero/mata Real quality instead of promise and potential.

I'm sure Kenny knows how good a player Henderson is and can be in the future. I'm sure the majority of Liverpool fans would rather trust his judgement and opinion over yours. Bet you never phoned your mate and said the same thing when he scored against Bolton.

What dont you get- Henderson was having a bad game today- one goal against Bolton does not make him a 20m player- Do you really think he is worth 20m? {Ed001's Note - he cost 15.6m.}

And I bet you were never at the match aswell!

No I can't afford to go on my wages- are you gonna hold that against me too or if you want to educate me maybe you can buy me a ticket at the next match

Watching game live on the net you twit

I wasn't at the match no, mainly because I have a young family I have to take care of and they come first. I watched it online. You do realise he has played 5 competitive games for Liverpool so far? And you slate him already, some fan you are.

He has not played well in any competitive game yet- I think if he is played in his real position he will be found out

Watching game live - can be on tv or on the net-who is the twit

Right kids time for bed, you can watch the X-factor on catch-up tv. lol

Blair Mayne YNWA

I thought Henderson was a class act after his game against Bolton? This is embarrassing from us fans... He had a solid season last year and has huge potential give him a chance. As well as Carroll at the beginning of last season before moving to us. Jesus...

Alex

You guys are a joke, making judgements on a player at the drop of a hat. I would do this I would do that.....blah blah blah. Even if any of what you're saying was slightly true you're all talking with hindsight, isn't life easy to comment on after the event.....

Tourofduty

I think the guy is saying he was having a bad game and should have been substituted at half time

More s**te from Mayne

 

 

10 Sep 2011 22:02:27
At first i was one of the people saying give Andy Carroll time he will get better, i hope. But now seeing his performances at the start of the season i now realise he will not get better, not as good as some think anyway. He is slow, got the touch of an elephant, and cant pass a ball to save his life. Yes, of course he can head the ball, he is 6 foot 3 and build like a rugby player. But you know who else can head a ball, John Carew. Someone who joined West Ham for free, £35million pound less than we bought Carroll for. Now im not saying we should have got Carew, I'm saying what we have paid for what Carroll has is stupid. £35million for a heavier, slower, younger and english john carew, or if you like a white emile heskey.

Feedback appreciated.

KP

Spot on! Carlton Cole would have cost 20% of Carroll's fee and done the same job.

Judge him at the end of the season rather than 4 games into it.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 21:57:14
Can we start a campaign to have TORRES back @ Liverpool fc as he will come back to scoring form again partnering Suarez.
Please lets put up a banner at Chelsea's game to get him back @ LFC. He may be a prodigal son but he is still a son.

--> Wales

Even on loan...

 

 

10 Sep 2011 21:57:07
i for 1 like creative midfielders gerard is top drawer but we need creative players for example meriles and aqualini both skillfull and creative players i agree both cant tackle but flair they do have stevie g is the full package but we rely on him to much my point is it seems to me that liverpool fc love players that battle hard on the pitch with little flair rather than good skillfull creative midfielders so if you cant tackle hard you are not needed even if you are technically gifted on the ball i for 1 think you need a mixture of everythn lfc fans dislike both aqua and merriles because they bootle out of tackles then i say look for players that are technically gifted and that can tackle but we need flair players

 

 

10 Sep 2011 21:54:25
Some of the comments on this site are unbelievable.

Yes carra has made error's, we played well & scored a blank but united played well n scored 5. We missed some easy chances today.

Defenders let in goals & strikers score them. Carra is an easy scapegoat.

However, no1 has had the bottle to say Suarez missed a peno versus Sunderland, we draw & missed an absolute sitter today.

My point? No individual to blame it's just mindless posters (mostly nameless) who target certain Lfc players to slaughter.

N it's these mindless posters that have no place on this site n have no right to call themselves Fans of our great club.

Jimbob

Lightning doesn't strike twice at your door but Carra did just that in the Arsenal and Stoke games. Ther are many instances he had made persistent silly fouls and tackles that caused us dearly. I don't think anyone loves to make him a scapegoat. I am sure I'm not the only one who feels he should be on the bench. Let's face it age is not on his side and his tackles are getting...sloppy and dangerous. Perhaps he needs a good break.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 21:51:28
Can we please have a 'Urinary tract infection in Cats' website?

The Booter

 

 

10 Sep 2011 21:45:27
It's imperative that people look beyond the result. This sounds simple but the majority of fans can't do it. We wax lyrical about Utds performance against Arsenal.Because they won the game it is easy to conveneniently ignore the fact that they conceded 2 goals and a penalty to a supposedly poor Arsenal side. If Suarez had scored at the end of todays game people would be saying it showed our battling spirit, that we stayed true to our football beliefs and won through in the end. But our performance would not have been any different. We dominated possession even with Carra,Adam and Hendo playing below their normal standard and created enough chances to win comfortably against a side only beaten once at home this calendar year.The goals and thus the results will inevitably come.Believe. We have nothing to worry about.Irish Kev.

With you there mate! great words.

You look for positives from defeat & the positives I see are the weaknesses are more apparent.
So we can improve for the next game by replacing Jamie who isn't strong enough any more in defence, move Henderson into the middle, (otherwise don't select him) and make team changes when things aren't going right, at half time preferably, rather than with 20 minutes or so left.
We are crying out for a midfield general, so the sooner Stevie returns the better. Oh and Bellamy should start in future.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 21:37:54
Ed; From 1 to 100, how good chance are that wee will buy this players i January(please take it on the roumours site); Keisuke Honda, Eden Hazard, Christian Eriksen, Xherdan Shaqiri, Adam Johnson, Mario Gomez, Gonzalo Higuain, Yossi Benayoun,Ryad Boudebouz, Ryan Shawcross, Gary Cahill, Neven Subotic, Mats Hummels, Kevin Grosskreutz, Mario Gotze, Shinji Kagawa, Marcel Schmelzer, Lucas Barrios, Lucas , Neymar, Ganso, Brede Hangeland, Jack Rodwell, Phil Jagielka, Leighton Baines, Seamus Coleman, Robin van Persie, Milos Krasic,

1,3,1,2,4,2,2,1,4,4,4,2,1,1,0,0,0,1,1,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,1,1. Thats the way i see it

 

 

10 Sep 2011 21:33:26
Eds this is my last post until January in rumours. I cannot be bothered to read the banter page with posts from Ash, Tonkz, rupert norths nonsense etc and respect LFC fans like Blair, alpha, Jonson6 etc. It's quite clear that the Former posters are glory hunters and can't understand a game and why it's based on many things.
We have cone a long way since last season and just hope that these guys understand that, lower expectations and be happy with a great club we all support.
All Eds are top notch and obviously are educated in the game, hats off to you all, great site.
See you in Jan for the fantasy £75 million signing.....
UR

And good riddance UR. Some people just want to hear how great we are all the time and can't handle a difference of opinion. Open your eyes!

Ash

Show a bit of class Ash mate. We don't want to lose posters/people, who have interesting opinions, just like you have.

Cheers

Blair Mayne YNWA

Class Blair? I'm not the one listing other peoples opinions as nonsense. I post opinions and I am just called a "glory hunter" who doesn't "understand the game" and I'm the one who's not showing class? I have never once said we should make a fantasy signing on this site a la Aguero either. The furthest I stretched to was Mata. There is one thing posting opinions, mindlessly slagging people off is another mate.

Ash

Then rise above all the name calling Ash mate, it's nothing compared to what i've been called.

I've been called "A giant amongst men" "The boss of all bosses" "The King of all Kings" etc, etc, etc....You don't see me telling people, to stick there opinions up there a*se, do you?

Rise above it mate, if not get used to it.

Blair Mayne YNWA

Not sure anyone calls you that Blair?! I think you are missing the point mate. Why did you choose to make a comment to me when the original post was so devoid of class it's untrue? Nothing wrong with defending yourself either.

Ash

What do you mean your "Not sure anyone calls me that", have you not been reading my posts?

Blair Mayne YNWA

Ash, why dont you show some class ? If your a red supporter, then please support. If your a manc supporter in disguise then please leave the site...failing that why dont you do your school homework and go to bed.

tel 1949

@Tel, please see above posts, grow up and practice what you preach.

Ash

Come on Ash, gerra grip lad!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 21:25:49
I dont even no where to begin,after reading only a few posts i had to stop,call yourself Liverpool SUPPORTERS you should be ashamed of yourselves or simply go and support someone else,you are simply glory supporters that have no patience,
If you cant see the difference between this performance and last years performance at Stoke then theres simply no helping you.
Liverpool is a work in progrees,a new team,new management,new owners looking at a new ground,a completely new start that is very much in its infantcy,It is going to take a long time to be back where we want to be,but unlike the childish snipers ile be there no matter what,the Adam,Carragher Carroll bashers,the why didnt we sign Aguero,Mata and everybody else who has a good game idiots and the even more infuriating "We beat Arsenal we're gonna win the league we lose to Stoke we,re sh*t"
They were both Liverpool good or bad and they will get my SUPPORT allways
Thanks for nothing RED72

Well spoken sir, a world apart from this game last year. Frustrating yes, but the game was dominated and on another day would have been a 3/4 goal victory.

To me that is the main difference this season, I 'expected' us to get back in it and go on and win the game.

The Booter

Agree with you pal. Just don't read the negative child like posts by Ash, Tonkz and Rupert Norths schoolboy analysis and you'll be fine. Stick with the educated fans who understand the game as we stand with you.

Just bury your head in the sand and it'll all be ok eh un-named poster?

Ash

It's not burying your head in the sand it's bein supportive of the team we love! Not many teams gonna go to Stoke an get anything! Not a great performance today but no where near as bad as last season! We will get there soon have patience!

We all support Liverpool, we just have different opinions! I agree we need to have patience, but I don't agree with certain decisions we have made. Namely the signing of Carroll and Carraghers role in the team. It is a banter site after all....

Ash

Agree with Ash. We should have signed someone with more technical ability than carrol. Carra shouldnt be 1st choice anymore. kk shud try the agger n skrtel pairing. Think they wil do well together.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

10 Sep 2011 21:02:17
I think we will do well this season, like all of us im disapointed with todays result but believe we have the players to do the job last week henderson was a world beater this week hes rubbish amazing what can happen in a week, lets hope that you are all calling them world beaters after the spurs game.(me included)Im writting from my private room in a asylum they they drove me here liverpool f/c.(no kidding)bye, going too take a dip in my pool (see what I mean by crazy)

 

 

10 Sep 2011 20:56:47
3 points I'd like to make today.

1. We need to move on from Carragher and probably Gerrard being automatic 1st choice players. Time waits for no one.

2. We spent too much money for an impact sub (Carroll.) We need to be strengthening the first team first. Yes other teams do it but they have a stronger first team than us. As much as people say not to go on about the money, our owners will not be throwing 35mil around on players like City do. When we spend that sort of money, we need to get it right. City and the likes will just spend another fortune until they get it right.

All in all, we are still in good shape, but it will not be anywhere near as simple to get 4th as people think.

Ash

3. We need another tricky player to help unlock stubborn defences. All the top teams have them. City and Utd have them in abundance.

Are you convicting Gerard who did not even play today?

If not then ehy are you moving on?

No, I'm saying it would've naive to think he will return to how was when he was 27. He'll be 32 this year, has just had 6 months out and it would be naive to think he will miraculously come back like the Gerrard of 3/4 years ago.

Ash

Mate u cant criticize gerrard. The poor guy didnt even play tday n when hes back, our team will undoubtedly improve. As far as carra goes, he is done with. Agger n skrtel/coates shud be the new cb pairing. Btw hendo is crap. N adam was sloppy tday tbh.
Indian Buzzer

Gerrard wont be 32 till august of next year 2012

Giggs played Great for UTD yeasterday - how old is giggs?

Giggs does not have the natural athletic body Gerrard has, age is only a number that you put too much credence in?


Did someone say Paulo Maldini?


How good was he?

Damm good!

How old was Maldini he when he retired from top class football?

40

Surely Gerrard can be Scrap at 31?


Can he?

Overlooking the fact that Gerrard will be 32 at the end of May, the point I am making is that it would be foolish to think that Gerrard will return as the player he was 4 years ago. Giggs is 38 and still very good, but he is not played week in week out. The roles played by Maldini, Giggs and Gerrard are all very different. Gerrard will always have the brain and eye for a pass, but lets not look to him as the saviour of Liverpool anymore as it simply ain't gonna be like that for much longer if ever, again.

Ash

Why because you don't want it to be so?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 20:55:21
Dissapointed with todays result, goals change games and we gifted Stoke possession. The last Liverpool player to have possesssion was Carra who hoofed it into Stokes half and they promptly played it back into the heart of our defence? well you know the rest.
kidmillions

 

 

10 Sep 2011 20:22:27
Where are you now Blair Mayne, Redeyedhector & lfc. I don't see you on the United site today? Would that have anything to do with Liverpool losing to Stoke today? Where's the arrogant scousers gone?

G.A.G.U.S
ps- Stoke 1-0 Liverpool

A United fan calling Liverpool fans arrogant, people in glass houses and all that...

Mate in all fairness, Blair Mayne, Redeyedhector & lfc are on the United banter page every day giving it the big one, saying yous have a better squad, better first 11 and what not. It's all good fun but when a result like that happens today they go offside for a few days. You have to take your scolding.

Mumbles

Well I can't justify what Blair and his crew do. I just find the irony of a United fan calling 'scousers' arrogant, quite funny.

I don't comment on LFC matches, my loyal Manc followers. I defo don't come on and comment after a defeat and ridicule players. I'm an LFC fan and will always be behind our players (even Carroll lol), this is when they need our support the most.

I havn't seen the game or highlights, so i couldn't even give you an honest opinion. I never hide win or lose, you know this. Come back around Christmas time, then we'll see were we are, then i'll have no excuses.

Let the scolding commense.......

Blair Mayne YNWA

Ah there's arrogant fans associated with every club but they're pretty easy to spot and it's all in the name of banter. Whats the point of having these sites if we cant have a laugh together at each others expenses

Mumbles

I will be in touch soon utd fans, dont worry about that, ............lfc

 

 

10 Sep 2011 20:18:03
Did kenny means he want to leave .
its from Talksports. what he say after the match


That's four games that we've played and every one of them has had a contentious decision in it and every one of them has gone against us.
I'll sit down and speak to the owners. It's all very well and good me wanting to say something but I don't want to bring this club into disrepute but similarly I don't want to be an obstacle to the progress of this football club.
If by me behaving or trying to behave properly and respectfully is causing this club to suffer then it's going to have to change.
We'll speak to the owners first and see what their opinion is, it's their football club not mine but I just think the evidence is there for us, not to be paranoid about it but to be consultative about it.

He was talking about not being able to criticise refs because of all the "wrong" decisions yous have been getting and was gonna see how the board wanted to handle it. Its a way of saving his arse from a FA ban by indirectly criticising the refs.

Mumbles

It seems to me that he wants backing off the bord before he calls the ref,jimmybosun,

Kenny was saying maybe he should be more like the likes of Wenger and Fergie who slag off refs non stop but get everything go their way in matches!
ItsNotRocketScience

No basically he wants to ask the woners if he can start behaving like SAF.

Fensh

The ref had a good game. we didnt win becuz we didnt the ref is not to blaim

 

 

10 Sep 2011 20:15:29
the diffrence between us and teams like chelsea,man utd and man city is we buy good players they go for world class players,we should have won today we had 24 shots to stokes 3 shots and we had 74 percent posession..it just wasnt our day today.

Well deserved to win,..just didnt take our chances, a dodgey pen decision and some awesome defending from Stoke,..Cant believe most Lfc fans are giving the team grief about it,...i;m totally gutted, gonna ruin my week,.. but at least we are seeing the effort and hardwork now, in trying to salvage the game, whereas in previous times, we have just rolled over and accepted defeat,..Roll on the Spurs game,...ynwa

Kop71

Get Real we didn't deserver to win

We had our chances and we did not take them

Chelasea have bought, Torres, Raul and Yossi from US, so if they bought world class, they bought them from us.

The sad part is that some people believe that not taking our chances did not influence the result and that Carra should be the Scapegoat for the loss

Interesting?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 20:15:19
With all due respect to carra, I think, may be this is the time to bench him. He has been great for us all his life. A great servant to LFC, a legend, but its obvious he is past his prime and we do have a very good experienced centre defence pair in Skrtel and Agger. May be it'd be right to drop him and play Skrtel and Agger in the centre. And Coates is also a major option.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 20:11:55
carragher is the only deadwood in our team.. im a true liverpool fan and saying this. all he does is clear the ball for a throw in or a corner when he should keep possession, his slow, old and keep fouling when not needed. we need to get rid of him now, he should retire.

p.s. the reason we didnt score today was because we didnt have merileles, he was the spark missing in this game.

Tonkz

Jamie hoofs the ball because our midfield isn't quick enough to spread the ball about. (although I have to admit that playing Hendo on the flanks with Skrtel behind him, sort of cuts down on the midfield players options). How many times did the midfield players pass the ball back to Jamie when they couldn't find an option. Very good for their ball retention stats, but dont blame Jamie when he has no other option left to him.
Saying that, Jamies time has come around and he needs replacing.

Meriless would of been kicked to death in that game

 

 

10 Sep 2011 20:08:04
I've noted with considerable bemusement how many on here have deemed the Utd team "average".
If that's true, I wonder where that puts us.

STOP fooling yourselves now, will you! Like it or not, they have pace, skill, invention and genius, cutting edge attack.
They're razor sharp, like City.

Nani, Rooney, Young, Hernandez. Those are options; all capable of single-handedly winning you a game through sheer individual brilliance.
As if that was not enough, they wanted to bring in Nasri as well, all the while we were expending innumerable tons of energy bringing in the workhorses Henderson and Downing and the shockingly unfit Adam.

Until this team brings in more Suarez-type schemers, we'll constantly flatter to deceive.

It's true that we no longer a two-man team (Torres-Gerrard). Instead, we now a ONE-man team. When that man (Suarez) is out, or isn't playing well, we more shocking and cringemaking than Zat Knight with the ball at his feet.

We'll be facing Spuds next, away, a game I'm not looking forward to.
I'm sure those F16-like quick Spuds wingers will be licking their lips at the prospect of running at defence, led by the lumbering Carragher.
Sad state of affairs.

*rupertnorth'sxpertanalysis*
ps: eds, has my initial post been removed from the site? Can't find it anymore. {Ed001's Note - what initial post?}

It kills me to say this but man-u are actully looking like a very good side, rooney has fixed up. i though he was so overrated till now i see him against arsenal and bolton tonight. not happy but they looking good

Tonkz

Rupert Norths pathetic analysis should forget about posting such crap again. You would think that we have just been relegated due to one loss! We had over 20 shots compared to Stokes 3, where was your analysis on that?
It's obvious that you've never played football as you would know that some games go this way, luck, keeper has a blinder and ref isn't on your side etc.
So instead of slagging off a player who has over 600 appearences for our club, why not get out more and understand the game, rules, refs and stop posting Man Utd on this page.
It's disappointing to see us lose today but it winds me up reading your tosh on here. Please keep your crap analysis to yourself and support Man City so you won't be disappointed.
Kn£b
Ultra Red

I don't say Man united are an average team, I will go on record to say that it's one of the poorest united sides I've seen for sometime. The same one that was humilated by barcelona and the same one that was even more convincingly thrashed at Anfield six months ago. Liverpool also looked great after they played Bolton and Arsenal. Any good attacking side is going to put goals past united this season. They'll come up against some real tests soon enough and they have to come to Anfield mid october.

RedAce

With the exception of a few players united are a team of decent players (Rooney, young, and Nani excluded) the thing is saf gets a team to play amazingly together and has done for 20+ years.

However it is worth noting united win several games every season simply because opposing teams are scared of them.

With the squad we have now we will eventually earn that fear too. Let's not forget we have the best keeper in the prem. A player who can save a game is often as good as a player who can win a game.

Downing, saurez, and Adam can all win a game and I'm convinced Gerrard will be back to that capability soon enough. Whilst we aslo have 2 full backs who can change a game.

With every transfer window we'll get stronger. Top 4 this season then kick on next. We wiped the floor with a good Stoke team today. Were simply unlucky

 

 

10 Sep 2011 20:07:27
Eds any chance of a Stadium Rumours page? just as you do for the Macca rumours
Many thanks

Syd {Ed001's Note - not really, be pointless as soon as the decision is announced.}

Actually as soon as the decision is announced some will dispute it even if it comes from Henry himself!

They will profer other solutions and hidden agenda's.

With the real down known by them from their contacts on the inside!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:47:03
"The Carra brigade are quiet tonight, not Abusing fans for saying what needs to be said. Carra is past his best.A legend ,but one who needs to be benched,so that the team can go forward.

Jiminy Cricket"

I thought you are always behind your players? Didn't you jump down my throat for saying exactly the same about Evra? You have got to love the hypocrisy.

Sydney!

It was a tale of 2 hoofers today - Carra and Adam. New Centre Mid needed in January, Gerrard should play of Suarez, Bellamy and Downing on the wings. Glen Johnson will be a massive boost when he gets fit, his attacking ability and crosses are much better than most. Henderson is only good when in the Meireles role of the striker so should not start when stevie is back. Lucas played well today, Adam lost his head after we conceded and tried too hard to put things right. When we had Stoke penned in instead probing round their box for the right passes we tried to many one on ones in a crowded pen box was never going to work. Anyway Spurs next and we should have a stronger team out and if were more clinical we should win.

Carra is past it mate full stop.

No Syd. I have never liked nor rated Carragher good enough for LFC. I hate how he screams at everyone else but makes more mistakes than them combined.

Evra is very overrated imo.

Fensh

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:42:08
I'd just like to welcome reality back to Liverpool Banter. You've been missed on here for the last 2 weeks. I'm sure we'll lose a few more and still see our way to 4th.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:39:01
Let put todays defeat into context. We all knew that the Britannia is a hard place to go, and that it would be a tough game. Fair enough, we lost, but for me it wasn't a massive shock.

Not in the sense that I thought Stoke would have us, but more to do with how they set up st home, and their fans get right behind them. Any team he visits their place this season will face a similar prospect. We've played four games and earn't 7 points. Without doubt, not the worst start. I'm not going to single out any player for the reason we lost. It's just one of those days.

If we manage to get out of the habbit of under performing against the lesser sides, then we're in for a chance of Champions league qualification. Stoke we're a difficult prospect last season, and now they've strengthened, it's obviously going to be harder.

I'm not concerned about Spam utd, or anybody else. It's still early doors, and there's another 34 games to play. We'll find a run, and we'll lose the odd game, but don't let it ruin your week. Next week is spuds, and I recon we'll win. We dominated posession, we had the chances, but we ended up with nothing. If we had been totally outplayed and come away with nothing then I'd feel different, but that wasn't the case. One thing Stoke can do well is defend. We was just on the end of it today. Frustrating, but not the end of our season.

Looking forward to next week now. My prediction is 3 points at the spuds. Score? Not too arsed.

Scott78.

The one thing the Reds can't do is defend well. Supporters were saying that Stoke was the test, if we won there, we had a chance of gaining a top 4 even 3 position. Well, we didn't win and we failed the test. OK we go to the next game, hoping for better, but analyse the defeat, learn from it and rectify the faults.
Bad luck? No, bad player selection and bad performances from several players.

I noe we were unlucky but we squandered so many chances. I hate to say it but the only difference between us n the mancs is they take their chances, we dont. How can u justify hendo's poor finishing? He is terrible. N lets stop calling the mancs an average team. They r way ahead of us, whether we like it or not. We need to get players wid more grit in midfield. Adam just doesnt cut it. Btw, i predict a 1-3 win at spurs. Arry's lost the plot, just like wenger.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:36:10
We lost. I'm disappointed w the result.

But anybody who says we played badly or wat-not either watched a difrent game or really doesn't noe how to watch footie.

Ok, we din play 5-star football. But it was definitely a gd performance for an away game at a ground we'v nvr won at b4.

We were by far the better team n on another day, we prob wld've won comfortably.

Carra's mistake was unfortunate but I think it's a bit extreme to say he's finished. He's getting on for sure but he still has things to offer.

Based on 2day's performance, we are a gd shout for 4th at least n that was n still is our main target this season so it's cool.

I'm disappointed w the result but i'm encouraged by this away performance. W stevie cmg back soon, things are still looking up.

So please, stop w the vitriol n doomsday prophecies n verbal lynching of players.

Let's juz get behind the team when they walk thru a storm n help them hold their heads up high instead of putting them down. We have made real progress. The golden sky n the sweet silver song of a lark are not far off.

Let's walk on w the team ok, guys?

YNWA

Singapore Red

A very positive post Singapore Red! Good on ya mate! Alphared

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:35:39
Carragher is almost finished. Not gonna slate him been a great servant but we need to start looking beyond him now. Skrtel a bit wobbly. Let's hope this Coates has something.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:31:29
Cant help but feel that meireles would have had that bita invention and creativity to cut through the stoke defence. Sorry 4 the post mortem but adam and henderson have had better games!

Nows the time to get off carrolls back n give him a chance.

YNWA

Derry Dan

Meireles was injured and couldn't have played anyway

Didn't Meireles play for Chelsea today? After he left the sinking ship?

Pardoe

Didn't he play today. I'm sure he was in starting line up.

Dirks Engine Room

No he wasnt he playd for chelsea today and i agree meireles was the player we was missing and needed

So who was the imposter that played quite well for Chelski today in beating a carp Sunderland team who we drew at home with?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:29:40
Ed haven't seen the game yet but have read everybody's opinion on how carra played(obviously they know more than king kenny that's why they work at McDonald's) but was it that bad or should it been irrelevant because by the sound of it we should of won 4 or 5 to 1 cheers

Mickleburg

Liverpool did dominate the game it was down to the finishing and some very good defending that cost LFC the point's!

So, we cant criticise the team selection, or performance because Kenny is in charge? Might as well shut the site down then.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:24:15
ah well still 4 points ahead of spurs and a 2 points ahead of arsenal.must beat spurs next week

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:20:48
Got to say I hate Stoke the sooner they get relegated the better. Congrats u are the new Bolton. Only play one way, buy big lumps to kick people. And grab a stuffy goal and defend like your life's depend on it, what a grace to the premier league you are. Your fans should be so proud.absolutely no talent in that team whatsoever.
Dave

Don't think we should be so bitter about it Dave. They play to their strengths as all teams do. As for having no talent again I think you are misguided, two have graced our side in the past, Shawcross is a very good defender, Upson an England International, Etherington is no mug.

I hope that they are as resilient when the Mancs are in town.

Dirks Engine Room

They defended well and kept us from scoring ya've gotta give them credit for that! once they went 1 up they threw their bodie's in front of everyshot we had! it was'nt pretty but it did the job for them! Alphared

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:18:11
And I also believe even Barca wouldn't be able to break down Stoke today!

Jack D.

BS Messi can break down any team that plays with a wall ask Jose he will tell ya!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:16:26
The funny thing is nobody here is yet to mention how stoke shortened the pitch; kept the grass long, and without water, and also got help from nature with heavy wind to stop our "Pass and Move". People question and complain about Stoke's style of play. But I quite like how they play; it's their style. And I now even enjoy watching stoke play. Just some fans are saying, today is just one of those days...

Jack D.

Mother nature send the wind to put the skidz under Liverpool's hopes of winning - how low can you go?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:14:40
At the game today downing Adam and Henderson were awful complete joke
Clattenburg was worse than Webb and his assisstants worse still

Adam did not look fully fit. Thought Downing played well. We were just unable to break through a resilient side.

Dirks Engine Room

Downing awful? Mate you're mad as a bag of spiders.

Mate you need to learn to read properly.

A bunch or bag of spiders is not mad

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:07:27
Utd and City a million miles ahead of us but despite todays defeat lets not get too down,we just failed to take our chances.Before you start complaining and wanting players dropped reflect back on 12 months ago and ask yourself where you would rather be.We have improved beyond belief and will continue to do so.

Derek

Correct Derek, let's hope people on here don't have short memorys

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:06:20
I have to please with the Performance of team not with the Result. I feel the Scoreline is not the resemblence of the Performance.
Remember the Real Madrid's match against Levante, it was 1-0 defeat to Real Madrid and Jose Mourinho blamed that Levante has played with 1 Goalkeeper and 10 defenders.
Even with the Great attacking players like Ronaldo, Benzena, Ozil, Maria who were one of the best in Football has not able to break the opposition. It is the same for Us. Even we create plenty of opportunities, we can't won due to 1+10 strategy of them..we Played well passed well. ..
INDIAN RED

Problem is, we knew they were going to do that but still didn't have the necessary creativity in our team to do anything about it.

Fensh

This post made me feel better....
TIZER RED

We did'nt pass well INDIAN RED! Alphared

 

 

10 Sep 2011 19:05:19
I hate man utd but has to say they are looking class.
Chicharito is a steal for them at the kind of money united paid for him.
They have so much pace in their side.finishing is also brilliant.

But still as I say hate them.

Red indian

How we could do with a pacy goal poacher like him. For me Kuyt was terrible today. I really do not know what he brings to the team. We really lack pace in our team. Kuyt, Carra, Adam, Lucas, Carroll all slow. Suarez despite his awesome skills is no speed merchant as well.

ManU if anything have added even more pace and skill to their setup. We need more pace and skill in our team.

Fensh

Kyut plays better on the wing

We have lacked pace for years,cant wait to see raheem sterling tearing down the wing

Kuyt is sh#te no matter where he plays.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:57:50
I think that Bellamy should star the next game on the left & Downing on the right. I want to see Suarez in the hole behind the striker so that he's more involved in the build up, especially down the centre.
But when the Gerrard is fit he can play in the hole instead & Suarez can play as lone striker. We would have good substitutes in Hendo, Carrol & Kuyt. The centre midfield pairing is fine as is. The back for will also be fine soon. I think Carra will eventually be replaced by Coates or Skrtel. Maybe we are not where we would like to be yet but thats perfectly understandable considering where we where 12 months ago. We have to be realistic about the time it will take our players to gel properly due to half of the starting 11 being new signings. Sometimes after we loose we go on a winning streak so hopefully we will go on a winnig streak starting against Tottenham.
SLODGE

Downing must stay on the left, get to the by-line and cross balls in. Carroll must start instead of Kuyt with Suarez in behind him. Gerrard at RM instead of Hendo. Bellamy to come on 2nd half for Carroll. Carra LB...

Fensh

I agree, Suarez looked a bit isolated as lone man up front today. Should have played Kuyt or Bellamy furthur forward from the beginning.

YNWA

Kuyt was terrible today. Carroll & Suarez must play together and work on a partnership. We bought the lad, so lets play him and let him find some form.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:55:03
Today was just one of those days ....if we were still playing now I doubt if we would have scored (I like many dislike Stoke's syle of "play" but hats off they defended well).

The result aside, todays performance was definitely a marked improvement on previous away trips to Stoke. In previous trips we have played abjectly, sat back and have been subjected to an absolute onslaught in the form of an aerial bombardment, however today we fronted up and actually tried to compete and play football.

Statistics can often be manipulated to ensure the outcome highlights the desired result, todays 73% possession figure truly reflected our dominance, unfortunately we simply couldn't find the net.

I rarely criticsize our team, but if I was hyper-critical of any part of todays performance then perhaps Downing should be instructed to remain out wide more (hug the touchline), as opposed to drifting in, and perhaps remain predominantly on the left rather then playing the majority of one half solely on the right.

I think we can finish fourth, but where some fans had become slightly delusional after the Bolton game (we played well yes, but Bolton's midfield was non-existent, and made us look better then we actually are), I remain level headed and accept our team at this stage is still slightly "off", but this is all part of the rebuilding strategy which Kenny (and his backroom staff) and the owners had previously, and repeatedly outlined ...the FUTURE is BRIGHT, the FUTURE is RED!

1. We should have signed Mata.
2. We should have kept Meireles - missed his creativity today didn't we?
3. 35m could have been spent on a much better CF.
4. Carra should have retired last season.

Then I would be feeling better about getting 4th.

Merelies is injured so couldn't have played any way

But meireles still played for Chelsea today

Meireles played for the Chav's today

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:54:58
Hi eds,carragher was great at organizing the defence the problem now his he cant do his own job anymore,I thought he would be replaced after xmas but im afraid it might have to be sooner.

I wonder why the other players don't yell at him when he f#cksup like he does when they make a mistake? I would.

The last defender to argue with him went to Real Madrid and plays at right back

I'm sure most of the players actually think Carra is a kn*b. Gerrard too probably.

I'm sure most of the players actually think Carra is a kn*b. Gerrard too probably.

This is from a FAN?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:45:39
cmon kenny, isnt it about time that carragher is no longer 1st choice ! Today could of been a valuable point or even a win. Carragher has been a great servant to us and stopped many a goal from being scored, but his legs have gone and just to many errors week in week out from him !Bring in the new blood !

The most rediculous comment of the day has to go to you. Utter s**te!

LFC Till I Die

Sick and tired of Liverpool falling behind the leading pack after a few matches. Still in September and we've lost ground yet again. Until we buy quality in the same way as City and Chelsea (we sold them our only quality player bar Suarez and Downing) we will struggle for fourth place.

Think u'd be better pointing your accusing finger at the other end of the pitch to find why we didnt take a point or three, had enough possession and chances to win a couple of games, but sometimes thats how it goes..but for some reason want to stick the boot into carra for what was at best a dubious penalty decision against him but the rest of the game Stoke hardly got a sniff, and carra was still playing then too !.. some peoples analysis of these games are bazaar !

Red Til Dead

'LFC till I die' you are a fool if you cannot see Carra is not what he used to be, Coates from what i've seen looks superior to him and should be brought in ASAP!

RDR

Carra was poor overall not just the pen - which if you beaten for pace and have your arm all over a player - will be a pen. So much for experience.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:31:45
Stoke won via a penalty which was a mistake by Carra IMO: There was more danger of giving away a penalty than giving away a goal in that situation, the striker had his back to goal, there's no reason to loose his head. This was really a school boy error. But lets put all this in perspective. When a defender
makes a mistake this certainly leads to conceding goals. When mistakes are made in midfield for upfront, the team only looses possession. And today far more mistakes were made in attack than in defense. And that defense of Stokes was SOLID!

We should have had a penalty, we could have easily drawn the game, we should have won the game, but that's football. We dominated the game and we did not win.

Personally I was most dissapointed with Charlie Adam today,
because he just looked like a bloody poor footballer, which he is not. Awful first touch! Get back in training, 1st thought tame the ball, second though, deliver ball, well!.

YNWA
RedAce.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:27:18
The Carra brigade are quiet tonight, not Abusing fans for saying what needs to be said. Carra is past his best.A legend ,but one who needs to be benched,so that the team can go forward.

Jiminy Cricket

We need Carra or Garrard on the pitch , we are not ready to play without a single scouse to lead with passion. I can see Carra being dropped but only when Gerrard is back.
Roy

So i'm confused, would you rather have played Coates and have his first premier league game be away to stoke?

You need Carra if you wanna finish 6th.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:17:33
Jamie Carragher's ear's will be bright red now! all the stick he's getting on these forum's and radio phone in's! he is a liabilty though!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:14:54
i think liverpool are good enough for fourth place manchester utd and city and chelsea are better fourth place will be good enough this season wat do the realistic fans think great site eds ..bill.

4th is all i want today was dissapointing i do think that Kenny was wrong at this type of game would have suited Carroll but we can get 4th today was a minor setback

Kenny was wrong? what?.. we outplayed them, we dominated them, any other day wed ave scored 4 and romped it.
We lost to a soft pen from a ref that couldnt see a pen in front of his face, cos he failed to give us possibly 2..
we lost a match,had we lost playing s**t then id agree with you but we lost playing well.. just where did kenny get it wrong?.. i dont get why so called 'supporters' fail to support the team!
ItsNotRocketscience

ItsNotRocketscience...... Spot on mate. We had 20 shots atleast today and 11 or 12 on target.... Stoke had 5 shots and a shambles of a pen decision.

Normally I would be gutted by a defeat, but this will not define our season and if we play like that in most games, we would win by 3 or 4. easily.

Great effort by the lads. I just know had we got a lucky break during the game we that would have deffo opened the flood gates to many more goals. Unlucky reds.

LFC Till I Die

I meant to say imo this game was suited more to carroll and that kenny was wrong not to start him

 

 

10 sep 2011 18:14:43
ok so here's the deal. i would suggest those who are slacking hendo and carrol off to please shut the crap up. our performance today was epic for an away game, especially at stoke. we created loads of chances and should've won but that's football. the referee was a joke, but its becoming a bit of a trend nowdays so we can't rely on them fat butts to get our results fairly.for those who keep critiscizing our team, shut your crap up. if you think you know football yourself go play some and come back here when you get into the friggin team! you haters you need to show some respect!! eating chips and drinking some beer behind a tv screen, slagging the team your 'supporting' isn't right! get your butts off the couch and be a real fan!! get behind your team you haters! we don't need fans like youu!. ok rant over, i think carragher slowly needs to be phased out, as much as a wonderful player he is, his age is starting to get the better of him although i believe he will play a big part this season. henderson is a classy player, so is carrol. they are really young and will mature with experience. so stop slagging our team. a top 4 finish is a definite possibility!! :d ynwa

We have no Spark of inspiration, Gerrard provides that spark for all those who think it will be a problem for gGerrard to get a place in the team did you watch today?

We also need a strker of the calibre of Falcao, a proven top drawer finisher!

At the moment we are flattering to deceive!

No spark? last week when we thrashed Bolton i bet ya was comparing us to Barcelona wasnt ya!.. get a grip mate and support your team or feck off to Manc land and jump on that bandwagon..
ItsNotRocketscience

To the original poster can you please shut the whatever up, to start with no one have criticized the team but even if they did so what, we lost today and everyone have the right to come in here and express their frustration, nobody support the team any less than you do, we probably have more passion and hence our frustration.
As for your line about an epic performance, you obviously watched a different game, we had most of the possession because for 70 minutes we were behind and Stoke defending their lead, we want to be a top 4 team and for that we need to find ways around teams that defend with 10 men, it should concern you that with all the ball that we had and an epic performance we could not find the net not once.
Roy

No Mate I would not be thick enough to compare us to Barcelona, and I have consistently said we are not good enough!

Suarez however good he is will not be able to lead the line singlehandidly over a season - proof today! Her missed some good chances Messi would have buried!

I have said we need 3 players

A Striker

A creative midfield player

A Versatile Defender who can play accross the back four

And that's just to secure fourth!

Well said Roy. For all the wonderful statistics, I didnt actually think we looked like scoring tbh. And I don't do the whole blame the ref thing either. We were carp today but hopefully we will be better next week.

To me Kuyt was really poor today, prob our worst player with Carra (not just pen, poor all round game). Suarez was constantly isolated upfront so I do not know what Kuyt was doing cause he did nothing in CM either.

We bought Carroll, we must live with him. I think we need to play him with Suarez week in week out to build a partnership and let them find some form - Suarez is not at his best yet either. Bellamy good to come on for last 30min for Carroll.

Fensh

Fensh, If a partnership cannot be built between Suarez and Carroll , what would you do.
There must be a good reason why Kenny does not start with both?
Roy

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:13:19
As I write this MAN U are 3-0 up away from home.There is no shame in saying this that both Manchester teams are at different level. they will fight for title and it will be between us,Arsenal,Chelsea and Spurs for 3rd and Fourth.

Put aside the long grass with clever thinking of stoke to stop us from playing 1 touch football (which by the way they are entitled to do) I thought our team was brilliant it was a super performance from a very new team.
I remember last two seasons away from home and they were like nightmares but we showed lots of character today and we came back and hit stoke with attack after attack we could have easily won this game.

To me we were also not unlucky because we actually were very poor in finishing.
Hendo will be 1 day very good CM but I see him and downing and I see them sometimes panicking in front of goals.

We all remember Torres and how he used to be so calm in front of goal at his peak.

Kenny must teach this to even Suarez as this is only thing he is missing.
We are a work in progress but in no way this performance should drag any reds supporters head down.
Chin up guys.
On Carra :he is a Living red legend. I remember his last gasp tackles so many times. we all remember the AC Milan match at Istanbul he was immense that day.
He deserves respect and its time we gradually change the guard and bring the new blood.

There is lots of calls to bring coates in team but we should be careful he is so young and 1 mistake and he will be labeled as failure by some.
Carrol will be super striker if he stays true and learn from Kenny. He must realize that he is so blessed to play for such a club as ours and he must grow as a player.
I watch him and see that sometimes he is so static.he must realize that all good strikers make space by their runs.

Patience and calm is needed. Our test will be how we respond against Spurs now.

Red Indian

Carra has just said that he thought that may be it was not a penalty. What i will say is that another referee may have easily shown him a straight red.
A good man accepts the mistake Carra.

Red Indian

Just to make things clear, it was arguably NOT a penalty.. and Carra is a top class defender who is ageing.

PakiRed

You need to remember that last season chelsea were beating teams 6-0 most weeks. Whether united city or anyone else for that matter win games this early and look amazing, they WILL all have a bad spell at some point. So will we!

Today was a disapointment because we deserved the win, they didnt shame us, the supporters, they just faced a solid stoke team who are extremely hard to break down, especially away!

LFC Till I Die

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:12:05
All together now.We all dream of a team without Carragher.A team without Carragher.Give it up soon Jamie .If you loved the club, you would

Carra is a hero

You can't blame him for one goal!

Why not blame hendo or Suarez for the chances they missed!

We lost the game because of Carragher doing what he 's famous for pulling attackers in the box.But where he use to be clever doing it, now he labours in everything he does. You can see the nervousness in playing so high up the pitch.He should go to Kenny, and say I am not upto this boss.

As Carragher has become a liabilty! two mistake's in two game's both costing a goal! it's not rocket science!

Suarez missed an open goal surely that isa as bad as the mistake of Carra


If not = double standards

suarez is the darling and can do no wrong

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:11:13
suarez needs a lot more support. he cant do everything on his own.there were at least 2 defenders closing him. adam and lucas played a lot deeper that they should have. probably a lesson learnt on playing against who have 6 defenders.
a fit again gerrard will solve this problem.
henderson again was slowing the game down. this hurt us. i am thinking playing out wide isn't going to work with him.
downing skrtel agger did well.
shows how important it is to score first against teams like stoke.
lot of chances were in the last 10-15 mins but with 8 protecting the goal always tough.

Harsha

Adam played a stormer today on a windy day!

Clearly his corners are not enough that why SAF steered clear!

Adam was better than Hendo & Kuyt (who was easily the worst player for us). Adam could have had 3 assists in the first 10min but seems like we had no clue in the box today.

Can someone tell me what Kuyt did on the pitch today? Suarez always seemed isolated.

Kuyt ran around and around and around

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:07:08
This is tough to say but man yernited look brilliant. And sorry to say but jamie has only had 1 standout game for liverpool in his career(2005 hint hint) and even in that game he was atrocious in the 1st half. Without a doubt liverpool's most overrated player of all time. I dont hate carra and i know my criticism is harsh,but lets face it we wont match yernited in the league with carra in the 1st team. Carrol and hendo are young and will improve,but carra needs to take a backseat now. I hope coates beds in pretty soon and adapts to premier league life alongside dagger or skrtel. Again,not an attack on carra but his time has come.
Capetownred

Agger did not cover himself in Glory today why just attack Carra?

And what did Agger do wrong? Apart from the penalty the defence did well! Reina hardly had anything to do! it's that Carragher keep's making mistake's that cost goal's that's why he's getting stick!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 18:01:49
Thought Lucas was our best player today, followed by Suarez then Enrique/Downing. I see further down someone giving young Henderson a slating. Personally I thought he had an OK game. It's a fact that today the better team lost. A draw or a small win would have been more reflective. Thought the last 10 minutes were gripping. RED LENIN

It's time to get away from the better team lost mentality.

Utd when they have too play ugly and grind out results something we have not learned to do!

This is the Liverpool way, we win with flair and elegance and not grind them out

Really you are living on past Glories times have moved on.

If you want to play with flair get a sheik cause Hnry can't afford flair players!

In ther transfer market we bought donkeys not pure bloodlines

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:58:19
Hi eds Guys /gals ,I have to agree with certain posters, we have been crying out for a replacement for alonso since he left,a player to thread the ball through from midfield to his forwards and have a go himself all the better teams have such a player we dont and they are few and far between, a fit gerrard will certainly be welcomed but we still need that special one to unlock these defences especially away from home.lots of teams we play are going to be happy with a draw against us even on their home ground and will play accordingly.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:47:38
two mistakes in two games,Carraghers whoopsies label is running out,time for the big lad,carn't have a solid chain with one weak link,his time has past.....FACT

Adam's first corner was quality... but it doesnt make up for a 26% pass completion rate, fair enough play a forward pass but dont over hit it every time.

I think he over hit the ball sometime's to compensate for the long grass!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:35:27
how bloody long was that grass today.the ball was so slow.i dont blame the players they gave their best.i reckon they were shocked at how slow the ball moved no fluidity.carra for me shud of let him have a shot because i knew as soon as he put his arm around him walters would fall over.adam needs to be more consistent with his passing but we looked so much better when carroll and bellamy came on.DORSET RED

A bad workman blames his tools?

The length of the grasss had nothing to do with it it was the same for all 22 players.

Wait till Utd play stoke the grass won't matter much stoke will be thumped!

Time to re-adjust and get real!

No. It was fact that we played ball on ground, they play in air...... So in fact it was same for all but different for tactical play

Do we not play in the air when hopeful balls are hoofed to carroll?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:33:38
So we figured out when hyypia was past his prime. Why can't we do the same with Carragher? Arm around Walters in the box, who also happens to be back to the goal....and its WALTERS!!! Ofcousre penalty was soft, but Carragher wtf! Please retire!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:31:22
I think you guys expect too much too soon from Kenny and the team that have atleast 4 new faces and need time to bed in.
The concern I have we seem to do very little up front and only score if Suarez is on the pitch and in good form, we are more less the same as last year when Torres was the only expected threat.
Roy

At last a realistic red!

We need another top notch striker!

And it aint andy or craig!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:30:42
Player ratings

Reina- I don't know how to rate a goalkeeper who had only 2 shots on target to deal with(one being a penalty) and the same number of corners. The penalty with its power was always going in, so stop saying Reina's a horrible goalie just because he failed to save something no goalkeeper in the world would have been able to save.

Skrtel-7 He had made decent overlapping runs, but to me what was frustrating was that he could not seem to cross a ball. While indeed he is a centre back, I think he could have tried to put a few balls in? He was ok in the other departments.

Carragher-0 Tell me fellas, after this performance, do you want him to be our first choice centre back? Can't believe some people thought it wasn't a penalty. It was clear as day. He had dragged Walters down due to his lack of mobility. When he gets the ball, what does he do? 1) Hoof it up the field or 2) pass it back to Reina even with plenty of space in front of him. Besides he is the stand in captain. I think it's high time Skrtel takes his place at CB and for Coates and Wilson to establish themselves as worthy first teamers

Agger-7 think he did well enough at the back, although he had nothing much to deal with. However I felt that he could have done better in the opposition penalty box. Remember those 2 corners in the first half that went straight to him? I wonder why he didn't try to head that. Nevertheless he's big and strong, he got hit in the head and took it in his stride, and squared up to Shawcross too.

Enrique-6 I think this is one of his off days, his passing was rather sloppy, and I still remember how he pulled out of that tackle after Reina's long punt. He did make some good runs down the left though. I believe this is just a one off.

Lucas-8 He held the midfield strong and made several crucial yet risky challenges. I had read an article comparing him and Macherano on the LFC blog(thekop.liverpoolfc.tv) and I couldn't agree more with the author that Lucas has more than replaced Mascherano, even bettering him in the same role.

Adam-6 Another player who had an off day. Was inconsistent, one moment he makes a successful 60 metre pass, another he screws up a 5 metre square pass. I believe that he will improve in terms of consistency nevertheless, and this, in my eyes is a one-off.

Henderson-4 Where was he? He was missing in this game, as he was against Sunderland and Arsenal. It's getting really frustrating. He still has a lot to learn before is he becomes an established first choice. Shot straight at the keeper 1v1

Downing-8 Beautiful crosses, time after time. His movement was also fantastic. Unfortunately the team could not complement these, and we paid the price.

Kuyt-7 i thought he did rather well before being subbed, where no one was supporting Suarez, he was making runs, finding space. At least he tried. some can't even be bothered to.

Suarez-7 Had a frustrating day, the team wasn't complementing him well. When he played those balls up to him, he seemed to be trying to get past 5 or 6 at a time with almost no support. He missed a glit edged chance to equalise in the last minute nevertheless.

On a side note, I think Bellamy gave me a good impression upon his return. Carroll however, failed to impress once again. He may be big and strong, but does anyone notice he can't seem to jump. at he moment he is my 4th choice striker. I don't care if he costed 35 million pounds all I know is that he is playing poorly and therefore doesn't deserve to play, or start ahead of the other three.

Keith YNWA

Suarez as good as Messi, this was posted here on this website not long ago, obviously its not true, if messi had the chances suarez had we would have won!

Lucas replaced mascherano? sure he has dream on

Kuyt 7?? WTF. He did nothing the whole game. Suarez was constantly isolated. Kuyt is useless, said it before will keep saying it again. Good bloke like Carra, but not good enough to play for LFC.

Kyut had a game game are you nuts? specsavers is up my road ill be happy to pick up your subscribtion

Carra played well and his rating was 7

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:28:57
Result showed up our weakness'es big time today, Kenny should have gone all out to get a RW as we offered nothing down that side today......also think with Hendo and Carroll, we got stung badly in the Transfer Market. Maybe time will tell but with what Capello has been saying in thre media about him.......I know kenny was right to defend his player but on the flip side.....there is no smoke without fire either........Charlie had one of those days where he was always looking for the killer pass, but gave away possession too often, Hendo is out of sorts, Carra looks like old father time is finally catching up with him, maybe in,truth a good lesson today, there are areas that kenny needs to look at now ie, CB, RW and a partner for Luis, we also lacked creativity, when Stoke parked the bus.......we had no answer.......back to the drawing board Kenny, bad bad result today, not the end of the world but he needs addressing fast.

There is no quik cure!

We need more creativity- where did that Meireles bloke go, you know the one we didn't need?

Could have done badly with him today?

Why did we buy Henderson instead of Mata again?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:27:35
Henderson....he scored against Bolton, but the questions will not stop until he puts in a game. I didn't even notice him on the pitch until he embarassed himself one on one. If he starts against Tottenham, I have to say that Kenny's pride has superseded judgement

Hendo is as clueless as Kuyt outwide. Least he keeps the ball (yes passing back to RB) instead of miscontrolling it like Kuyt does but I still hope we buy a decent pacy RM if we gonna continue playing 4-4-2. Henderson must play CM (from the bench).

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:26:58
Was really pleased with the perfomance today, dominated the game and 9/10 would have won. Not many teams will go to stoke and have that much play. oviously disapointed with the result but if you compare that perfomance to the past 2 seasons there it was a vast improvment. Keep playing like that and we'll win more than we loose or draw. At the start of the day would have been happy with a draw but now would be gutted if we had even drawn.


Bilverstone

I agree, although really disappointed we battered stoke. We seem to be missing to many chances and other teams score with 1 chance a game eg stoke, bolton, sunderland.

I was glad to see the way we fighted till the end unlike previous seasons

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:40:12
Bah! Me and my big mouth. Still tho pretty happy with the performance we kept going, didn't slack off and let's be honest should have had two penalties ( i don't care if skrtels already kicked the ball you still cant clump him off your feet in the box!) and their penalty was a farce.
Man of the match goes to Clattenberg for them. What a joker. Although he was less of a muppet in the 2nd half where we were ridiculously unlucky not to score.
In fact it could have been 3 penalties because upson's? block to henderson's shot hit his arm with his hands across his chest.
And the end of the day you can't blame stoke for the ref being an absolute no-hoper scum man u fan. They defended really tight and hassled us all over the pitch like we're still learning to do properly. And even so we were absolutely dominant and were clearly the better team. Sometimes that happens.
Next time we'll carve them apart.
Duckula

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:22:59
Watched the game via a feed have to be honest I'm disappointed.

But lets get this in perspective we did create a number of chances but just weren't sharp enough. Huffed and puffed and feel the lads deserved a little better.

Today's performance was still loads better than the majority of games we played in the first half of last season.

This performance puts things in perspective that we are a club in transition. Me father in-law who a Gooner said we would loose today and I had a feeling we get a point.

The other positive from the negatives is that we are conceding goals but they are individual mistakes rather than system/team faults.

I do think Carragher is a legend, but I always worry when he gets turned/ or the ball is played over him. Would be quicker to turn the Titanic at a port. Carra has tremendous leadership qualities however noticed he has been pulling players like this for a while and getting away with it. This will be the season when he is gently phased-out onto the subs bench as mentioned earlier.

To be a real title contender we need to develop the ability to come back from behind. I think we will have a good season this year but today result was a return to reality.

Looking forward to Steven G coming back and would even suggest playing him on right wing. As I feel that Lucas and Adam are okay as a central pairing. Interested in peoples thoughts on my comments.

Hit the nail on its head

Keith YNWA

If only it was that simple!

We have need of more reconstructive surgery!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:37:29
I was one of the people on here who said Liverpool will win the prem this season. I hold my hands up high and admit how wrong I was. I haven't seen the game, however we still seem to loose to the so called weaker teams. We are miles behind United, City, Chelsea etc and right now I'm feeling devastated. A team that may well be hard to beat at the Brittannia, who has spent no were near what we've spent as just over taken us in the league. Ok we will finnish above them in the league but still.... Do I think city and united will loose away to stoke? No I don't and that's the difference between us and them.

Time to get realistic boys, top 4 will be a remarkable achievement but by no means guaranteed. With united having all the look in the world and city spending more money than anyone else in Europe I think we can safely say, if we finnish above Chelsea we've done well.
I have never slaged Carroll off ever and understand the wages etc but maybe we should av gone all out for Aguero. 7 goals already to his name and Carroll has none. I know Aguero cost twice as much but you pay for what you get. Fingers crossed that Carroll starts knocking them in for fun as I'm shaw he will.

I know I'm goin on a bit, but I've just crashed back to earth with a bang. I really thought we'd beat stoke today. If we can't change the results against these teams we will never win the prem.

I hope this will be the last game we loose this season because I feel like ****. I know the lads will be disappointed as are the fans. Let's just hope this loss today makes us stronger. YNWA

TIZER RED

Tat what being unrealisrtic does, it's raises hopes then you come crashing down

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:22:48
Our midfield was the reason for the score line today IMO. Need Gerrard back!

Drezperado

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:22:42
Any team that goes 1 nil down against stoke will struggle to get back into the game, they sit deep and are very compact, its not the end of the world let's not slate the players we all lorded after the bolton game. We just need a good result against spuds next week and get back on track. Dt

Any team bar utd or city

Utd or Citeh will power past Stoke.

Did you see Jones Run for Rooney's second Goal?

Or how about the movement of the little pea, makes suarez look static!


Suarez the best striker in the EPL what a joke.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:21:04
Get off Carras bk stil quality every defender makes mistakes. As KK says we all after be one and stick together through thick and thin. I am sure we are in for a great season. We can win at Spurs. LFC.

Yeh get off his back he's slow enough with out having to carry someone.We will not win at spurs with Carra in the team mate.

So, Mr LFC, if Carra continues to give away penalties and soft goals, and costs us points, we still back him, yes? Even to the detriment of the team, yes? What a poof! SingRed

He makes mistakes every 10 mins on the pitch! he is slow, cant tackle any more, can read the play any more, just hits long balls all day he is rubbish ! coates all day

BTW, do you know what strikers have? Pace to burn! They'll leave Carra for dead! SingRed

Carra should never play in a liverpool top again !
Tonkz

I am disgusted reading these so called comments from LFC supporters...

tel1949

All this calling for coates and you have never seen him play in the EPL he might be worse than Carra

He could be as bad as Flanagan

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:17:21
Believe me, Stoke won't be the only team to park their bus in front of goal - it's up to Kenny & Steve to work out how to break down stubborn defences
SingRed

I would suggest a tow truck to move the bus!

However failing that we need a striker with a bit of genius about him, there are not too many and Falcao should be top of the list!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:16:02
Ok- i must just be biased cos once again I find myself wondering why refs find it so easy to giv pens against us and yet we have 2 or 3 good shouts with no decision. Dont get me wrong we should have a least got a draw there- quite a few chances, bit unlucky. But still feel let down by prem refs for a few seasons now.

Jason

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:15:54
I could see the logic of Carroll on the bench, but when Carra is lumping the ball forward at every opportunity (against Stoke!) then I don't get it. Stoke barely had a shot on goal. Carra cost LFC with that shocking attempt at 'defending'. Absolutely terrible.

It speaks volumes that not many people are coming to his defence. I pray he never manages LFC if he can't understand how he personally played into Stoke's hands through his one man long ball crusade.

Again. Stoke created nothing - Carra cost us the game (It was also his hoof that initially led to us conceding possession just before he hauled Walters down).

A big test for Kenny. Does he have the balls to drop Carra. We shall see.

ps. Those saying Reina is 'one of the best penalty savers in the world'..... are you mental. I don't think he has ever saved a penalty in a match..... ever.

Great keeper though.

BJH YNWA (disappointed.... again, but it's early days)

Didn't Reina save Rooney's penalty at Old Trafford last season?

Obviously you never watched the 2006 FA.Cup final? and Reina has saved a few penaltie's since then! Alphared

FA Cup final 2006? Have you forgotten?

Keith YNWA

People are coming to the defence of Carra!

He is a legend and deserves to captain the side until the return of the master!


Carra has made mistakes however his positives far out weigh his negatives!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:15:47
We were denied two clear penalties and we penalized for what never can be a penalty. Referee won the day. Disappointed. Hendo could have had scored, too. Deeply disappointed. YNWA
Hope, we'd come back in a flash.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:15:40
dont worry v still have 2 players yet 2 play ......coates and captain fantastic.... i m sure gerrad will get carrol scoring again

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:15:38
all i can say is 13 shots on target , 65% posession and no goals? credit to stokes defence , half decent performance

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:15:01
I think most of you are overreacting, okay you lost 1.0, but Stoke are no mugs and it was a much better performance than last season. It was a penalty and Carragher is too slow at times. I do think the Carragher contract extension was poor business, I think John Henry said as much. I think he is past it and I think Coates has come in at the right time IMO.

Sydney!

Sydney for once ,is spot on, The last bit of business Purslow did was give Carra a 2 yr contract.Rafa had decided not to give Carra a new contract.Purslow was given the heave ho, for handing out stupid senseless contracts.Carragher didn't deserve2 more seasons.

Disagree with both of you.
You both are overreacting.Carra should not be in first tea, agreed but he must be in squad this gives depth.
remember Sami and keep him to be mentor to young players and be there in times of emergency.
Red indian

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:11:08
Hi eds first time poster. I love this site by the way, you guys do a wonderful job.

Not a ramour but just wanted to ask if any of the eds feel the same frustration as I do when it cones to Jamie carragher being automatic first choice in the team!
I personally feel he is not first team meterial and almost every goal we have conceded this month has been due tonhis errors, I feel he needs to be dropped, would like you take on thia please.

Riz {Ed001's Note - I do think it is time to move on, we need more pace at the back to allow us to push further up the pitch.}

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:11:18
I wonder what do these referees have against us?
I am happy with our performance. (Not the result ofcourse) What do you do against a team that play 9 men in defense? And add a "soft" penalty to that. But then again, who's at the fault; Jamie Carragher.
There's no questions about his leadership but sometimes change is needed. Bring on Spurs; we'll win. Great performance today!

Jack D.

Carra caused us but it was really a wrong decision. But we had two penalties turned down, too. Performance was very good except Carra and charlie, Charlie miss cued numerous passes. Hope, we can come back against Spurs. Really, very disappointed with today's result. They were very good in the defence, and referee was.... *****

Kenny Dalglish as a big decision to make.Bob Paisley would have made it in the summer.Jamie Carragher must benched and soon.We are playing fine attacking football with Carra turning slower than the queen Elizabeth, Hoofing the ball when another defender could make time on the ball to play it on the floor.He was giving an opportunity at 20 to stake a first team place.Now he is staying around stinking the place out.

A wolfpack turning on one of its own, very sad.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:11:11
Henderson= useless. Carra = finished. So poor today. Title contenders? Haha. No chance. Can't even beat Stoke.Carroll isn't even a 10 million pound striker. 6th place finish is likely as the waste if money on that pitch is evident.

Henderson is young give him a chance

We lose once , after dominating all the game and your making it seem we are on a 10 game losing streak , chill out

Get a grip you joke?

You're a disgrace!!!!!
LeeWils

Good work keeping optimistic there!

Too much optimism

Too much pesimism


An even Keel is required tempered with realistic expectations

Stopped reading the post after the HAha! obviously a manc or bitter blue! Alphared

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:09:42
Cry Baby Cry but We Miss Meirles. Gerrard injured and he give a good Backup why we try to sale him when we have lots of player been sold? He play full 90 minute for Chelsea. its a very poor 1st half. Suarez look like alone striker Kuyt looks like missing his pace. Hendarson learning day by day but not the quality yet. Carroll £35m in water as Torres £50m for chelsea too.

What is tgis post about i really dont know what your supposed to be saying but i think your google translator is not working right

I have had enough of this Meireles BS! He wanted to go - accept it and take it on the chin, OK?! End of story
SingRed

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:09:42
carra has cost 2 goals 2 games

vivek12011

Think we need to gently phase him to the bench this season. He will cost us more goals as he lacks pace and we are trying to play with a higher defensive line!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:09:09
Very disappointed with that performance and result. An average Stoke were there for the taking today. Poor finishing and another Carragher blunder cost us. What's the point of bringing Carroll on if, when out wide in a good position and there's a chance of crossing, the ball is passed back into the middle?? I'm not knocking Carroll whatsoever but you have to play to his strengths and cross the freaking ball to him!
Gordy

Exactly and our best left sided player in years playing on the right it just beggars belief our 2 bad results he was stuck on the right so how are we supposed to get the quality of crosses carroll needs he might as well be on the dole he was that redundant lol

Carroll is about as static as a lamp post

Did you see the cross'es our best leftfooter for year's put in with his right foot?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:06:20
Another bad result away from home, I hope this is not going to be an ongoing problem for us like it has in the last few seasons, we wern't at the races today at all and Clattenberg had a poor game, chins up though and move onto Spuds next week.

Gman82

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:06:09
We outplayed stoke, outclassed stoke, and should've come out of there with at least a point. Put it behind us and move forward. Reina could have taken a nap... Just unlucky. Feel awful, but we can't dwell on this result. Bellamy will start on the left next week, Johnson will start, and Gerrard will be back... Let's be positive...
YNWA USA

Agreed, mate. some "poor refereeing" cost us today. Hope, we will rise from this. YNWA
Disappointed to get nothing on the board today. Best of luck against Spurs.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:02:18
Carra has all the chances in the world his a liability.

Why are you slating Carra when we could have salvaged a point and I think 3 if Henderson and Adam knew they are midfielders and their striker is right on their left rather than hitting at Stokes defender. Should have played FIFA which teaches u to pass to ur side striker when u have one in a 1 v1 situation.

Furthermore, the last chance was utter waste by Suarez (I think he was not expecting that). Are you guys just not happy to watch the game we played?

Look at the bench! With Bellamy creating havoc when he came from the bench and Carroll doing fine. We played such wonderfully at Stoke for the first time in my life and I would give anything to the team for giving such a performance at a place which has been our nemesis always.

Long live the King. Carra may need to be on the bench but let the KING decide that.

Finally for gods sake, back up the team.

Bad result though we had enough chances to at least earn a draw. I agree that Carra is way past his prime and opposite teams will expose this weakness. We need to bed in Seb Coates sooner rather than later. Hendo could have been a hero today but he opted to be the villain! We have defintely improved since last season and there's a lot of promise but we still lack that extra quality and killer touch that City, Chelsea and you all know who has. Our realistic target is 4th but that is going to be very difficult. Can't see beating Spurs after today's result. Confidence is key in our case and today our confidence took a huge dent.

I totally agree with you iv been reading some of the posts on here you,d think we,d been outplayed for 90 minutes we were far the better team and on another day would have walked away with a win they go a penalty that never was i honestly cant believe the response why cant people take the positives get behind the team other teams will lose this year as well if we beat spurs next week this will be forgotten about what is the point of slating the players i hope it makes you feel better me personally i can look at the good things we did an hope we learn and move on iv honestly never seen such negativity if i hadnt watched the match an came on here an read the posts id have thought we lost 5 nil with 10 percent possesion we played well just lacked a bit of finishing in front of net they made it hard for 10 men behind the ball jesus it could be worse you could support stoke ab have to watch that negative play week in week out we will bounce back from this and get the top 4 finish we need
giblet

Cant believe someone has seriously just said that our midfielders should play fifa.
Outrageous.

Johnny

What's the point about going on about a stronger bench when you still lose the game. Stronger or not, we are still not good enough. Useless point to make....

With playing FIFA, i meant they can know as easy it may sound to score in 1v1 it is extremely difficult and if u have an option to lay off the ball to a side, that is the better option always

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:01:49
ive said it for 2 seasons now,carra aint good enough,should never of been in that position to give penalty away,his pace is awful. every ball he plays is 100 meters in the air! not good enough,also kenny should take a look at city and see what a 35 million pound striker should be like cause our is worth 10 and by the end of this season maybe 5!

Carroll is a waste i would have paid 8 million max. Carra is RUBBISH! he does not deserve his place

It is really sad because if you can see a keeper making 4 saves in 15 seconds and the last 20 mins we terrorized stoke because of the substitutions,Carroll looks like a good striker and I am sure Carroll will be back on fire before the merseyside derby so I think we were just unlucky not to win the stats say it all we created23 chances and17 on goal.....

Well regardless of now you were wrong last season

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:01:31
Unlucky 2day perform like that and we will be fine this season. Most important thing support the boys wheter win, lose or draw.

Of course we support them but we have every right to be disappointed. I'm bitterly bitterly disappointed and extremely pissed off. If we want to get into the top 4, we need ot beat the likes of Stoke. Period.

Look at crap teams like Citeh & Chavski ... does every one still think Mata & Aguero are crap and unproven?

Bloody idiots.

Couldnt agree more completely dominated the game it just wasnt our day.

wexford red

Carra is better than either of those two!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:01:10
LTP

Now that we have lost to STOKE !
man city with another comfortable win
man utd to feature and certanily win
chelsea won

poor performance cant see us finishing top 3 now
if we cant beat stoke we will struggle with utd and city

so annoyed !
i dont give a s**t what all others will say about negativity or what not, it was poor lucas had a shocking game as did skrtel and henderson

absolutely gutted we needed to beat stoke and tottenham but we lost !

we step up to the mark against the big teams but the small clubs like stoke we never win

i wish we had the effect utd have who ever they play they are almost certainly destined to win as where we are not

We're four games, I repeat four games into the season!! Your not just a person for being negative your also retorted for throwing everything away after a few games. We should have scored at least one and had a penalty, yes it's frustrating but that's football sometimes.

Papa G

Did u see the game?we controlled the game from start to finish,poor ref missed 2 pens for us and gave them a soft one!we play like that all year top 4 is not a problem!

We played very well. we got them on th back foot. 2 clear penalties not given. were penalized for the soft one. Hendo had a great chance. We simply played quite very good. Yeah, i am gutted too, not to get any thing today, but sometimes, it just happens. We will come back soon. YNWA

Well said Papa G!

Thanks.

The Ed kindly edited out my swearing and abuse. I'm as frustrated as the next person, but life goes on. We had an awful start to the season last season and still caught up considerably. Stoke are really tough away and some of these new players need time to gel.

Papa G

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:00:52
Not our day, summed up by the 3 saves and 2 blocks in 10 seconds in the 2nd half. Our passing wasn't good enough today although Downing looked class on both wings and Bellamy (although not match sharp) looks like a real difference maker.

Adam had an off day with his passing and was a bit hit and miss but it must be said that Stoke defended incredibly well and restricted us to only a few chances (albeit they had 0 shots on or off target)

My only question is why play Andy Carrol (a striker we want our wingers to cross the ball to) and then have both wingers on their weaker side (though I wouldn't mind my right foot be as good as downing's and I'm right footed!)

Unlucky today lads but its no time to start worrying about it. Plus Gerrard may be back next week and he would have smashed in at least 1 in that game!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 17:00:45
Any1 want my season ticket?

Name your price, ill buy it and give it to someone who supports Liverpool everyday and not just when we win.

LFC 2929

Dalgish might need it soon

I'll have it :)

Jimmy YNWA

Yes I'll have it mate.
Gordy

As if you have a season ticket!!

To be fair with comments like you silly boy im sure liverpool dont want you as a fan!
LeeWils

I pay you face value for it! NO probs.
RedAce

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:59:23
disappointing result but still a million miles better than last season. You can't win them all, and better teams than us have lost away to stoke.

p.s. would've put my house in suarez to bury that last minute chance.

Suarez is not Torres

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:59:23
Well ed I always new it would be hard against stoke but we were shockingly poor. I feel carras time has come and he should be made a coach or as a last resort. Up top I feel kenny got it wrong.

Midland red

I agree Carra is past it maybe for over a year now

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:59:05
So much for that 4th spot being cast iron eh? It's a long, long season with a lot of highs and lows to go yet.
AC

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:58:51
Just not our day? Hate to say it, but until Carragher retires, it will never be our day. He had his time, but since 2007 I curse every time I see him starting CB. The excuse is always "best option we have". Solution: get better option.

Apparantly we've just bought one!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:58:43
Poor finishing, bad luck and typical clattenburg refereeing cost us today. we absolutely battered stoke. How the hell have we lost this game? shocker. Our biggest disadvantage is the vast amount of man u supporting officials, we'll get nothing this season from them. clattenburg was utter garbage, probably would hae disallowed any goals we scored.
Milamber

Boo hoo blame Utd, get a grip of yourself and stop whining you were sh1te

Pardoe

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:58:05
After the Sunderland game I commented on Carragher hauling down Gyan just before Larsson scored and speculated that it wouldn't be the only such incident this season. I have felt this for a while now and, whilst the guy can still red the game, it is no longer enough to make-up for his heavy-footedness.

The one upside of today is expectations may be a little more realistic in the wake of a loss.

Thw weak link his a man called Carragher He wouldn't get nto the Everton team,and if hodgson would have bought him last season and he wasn't such a legend. Every supporter would be saying he aint good enough.But because he is who he is.We turned a blind eye and hope he will turn the clock back to 2005.Smell the coffee he's past it and now a liability, because of the way Kenny plays.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:58:04
Ver very poor today no spark think we'll regret sellin meireles an aqualani we got gerrard to come back to compensate but if he gets injured agsin were in big trouble!!

Charlie Adam had a bad game today and Lucas! again i've never seen a team give the ball away so much as we do! Alphared

Some realitic fans seeing it as it is?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:57:23
poor game, charlie adam and henderson should of been replaced earlier they were both terrible. kuyt didnt do much and maybe carroll should of came on earlier. as i said before the game coates should of started not carragher, thats 2 mistakes in 2 games not good enough if we want to challenge, carragher should be a sub he was good but is getting on and can no longer maintain a good level, but dalglish made a mistake not changing adam and henderson sooner, i think this cost us atleast a point. RedTurk

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:57:21
After this lost I need to break something,any ideas?

Put a hammer in your right hand and put your left on the table. Smash your left hand with the hammer.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa

Carra's knee?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:55:26
Over 100 m spent still we can not beat stoke, we are still miles away from winning the league pfffffff.

Any Fool would have known the league was never on

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:55:16
not good enough simple as that...

hardly any shots on goal

Yeah if over 15 shots means hardly any

Hardly any shots on goal by someone without two left feet

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:55:05
Clattenburg What a s**t Ref.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:54:29
Just not our day.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:54:13
Terrible result same for last 20 years untill we can get results from these type of fixtures on reg basis we wont or cant hope to win a league ,fair pissed off puts weekend in toilet red2toe

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:54:00
suarez awful miss cost us a point

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:53:47
suarez shocker howd he iss that? Unlucky though cmon u reds u can bounce back from this

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:51:34
I wish if people would get off players backs and support your team.

Disagree. Why can't we ask questions? Do only Liverpool fans expect the best from their team? No. Carroll alone cost more than the entire Stoke team. Simply not acceptable after a 100 million splurge on players.

Exactly we need a route and branch investigation into what happened today?

And the answer is we need another striker of quality?

anyone for Torres?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:48:14
No creativity = no goals.

Would Mireiles have made a difference ?

Did he last year when we lost there?
LeeWIls

No creativity? We created about 3 great chances and missed them all. No coolness in front of goal more like

Red Ollie

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:46:52
At least a point dropped here and an easy trip to Spurs next week! Brilliant

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:44:19
Carra's a real liability now. Time he hung up his boots. I know I'll get killed for saying this by the blinkered crew but so what? It's true.....

Gillinho

No it isnt time for him to hang upi his boots, however, it may be time for him not to be first choice
LeeWIls

How long has he been a defender? He should have learnt by now that you can't do that in the box! It's basic stuff, everyone knows it! You can't knock his commitment and effort but he doesn't have the skill and timing anymore. Time for Coates to step up.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:42:31
guys dont worry...........
its another learning curve to try and win more away games at these places just like what man u..or chelsea can do

it will take time for that belief that they cant lose a game
so lets continue supporting them..remember top 4 is the aim

So according to your logic a top 4 side shouldn't win away at stoke?

No..i meant that you can still lose a few games and still get in the top 4. the fact is we still dont have that belief that we can win in any stadium and thats gona take time. stoke were lucky today thats a fact...but how many games have u seen man u pile on the pressure and still score..we have never been able to do that

Sorry but that is a defeatist attitude, you sound like a Roy Hodgson press conference. We should win away at Stoke if we expect to make top 4 end of.

Chelsea only drew there. We lost because of a very lucky penalty. Point to another save Reina made and I'll admit Stoke deserved to win, but until then I'll say that we were by far the better team

Red Ollie

I have been caught out it's me Roy!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:39:45
Carra is killing me! He's looking really nervous every time he is on the ball SingRed

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:25:04
carroll bellamy suarex and downing CMON

Yea now lets see wat we can do just hope we dont start playing long ball stoke will love that
jez

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:24:01
Take off henderson this minute.

You got your wish mate

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:22:57
Poor finishing from Henderson, shot straight at the keeper. The other one rent waaaaay over. We had 5 shots on target alone in that chance

Keith YNWA

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:19:55
Henderson !! Ahhhh!!!!

o'SEUNFUNMI (Anfield Red)

Unbeleivable 5 shots no goal cant work out how that stayed out

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:15:54
I've said it many times on here before, but we are in desperate need of another flair player. Someone who can turn a game that isn't going for us around on its own. We can't always rely on Suarez. All the top teams have at least 2. Our squad is fantastic but that one "flair" player short of a realistic challenge. Just look at how Juan Mata has adapted at Chelsea. A player like him and we will be devastating.

Ash

You mean someone like Gerrard.

Tourofduty

Yes, someone like a 26 year old Gerrard.

Ash

Quality is forever, Gerrard is quality!

The thing is, now we've cleared out the deadwood we no longer have to worry about signings. Whereas Hodgson was hamstrung by the board, if Kenny identifies a weakness he can now go out and fix it. It's a shame Mata has gone to Chelsea and Aguero has gone to City, but we wouldn't offer the same wages and at least they haven't gone to Spurs or Arsenal. There are plenty more flair players out there who may be available for transfer next summer: Hazard and Taarabt for example. Downing, Carroll and Adam can all change the game with a moment of inspiration as well, flair players don't have to be dribblers

Red Ollie

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:03:50
Just a bad game, not alot of creativity. We can get a point but I am afraid that is all we can shoot for with this one. Chalk this one up to a bad performance. Suarez just doesn't have any help or creativity to help out in this one. Tough one to watch

I feel sorry for the stoke fans having to watch this type of football week in week out every time stoke get the ball it hurts my eyes

I dont see too many of them booing do you.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 16:00:10
Come on lads 45 minutes to turn this around. Also what an anti-footballing side stoke are. Super stevie

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:54:50
carra off johnson on
downing off bellamy on
kuyt off carroll on

I would take hendrson off and put bellamy on
giblet

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:54:26
It's time to drop carragher,two cock ups in two games

Carragher has always been a very limited player, now he's just awful

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:53:25
Am I right in saying bellamy for kuyt and glen for carra.
Stoke defenders look like will be caught out by speed.
Put skertel in at center with agger.
Am I right?
Red indian

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:52:05
People saying we arent playing well, which we are in spells. The only reason we aren't is because of Stoke breaking up the game with fouls and late tackles. I always appreciate every way of winning and Stoke have turned into a brilliant Premier League team, but i completely disprove of their tactics. Do they think there at the Rugby World Cup ? Maybe it is time for Andy Carroll to become a hero, in the second half. Come on the Reds

Hans

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:50:49
i can see stoke just defending and defending to get a scrappy 1-0 win :(

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:46:56
i dont care what anyone says..........

this performance is rubbish........we dont look hungry and thats what i really hate..........only enrique and kuyt and suarez look up for it........the rest r not playing quick or seem to be in a rush to score..........aaaaaaaaaarggghhhh
come onnnnnnn

I must be watching a different game. Its not that they're not hungry, its kind of difficult to play against an opponent who have a 9 man defense. There is no room for them to play.

Wouldnt go that far yet

What match are you watching, we're away to Stoke and are controling the game. Just a soft penalty, makes me laugh how walters muscled carra off the ball then goes down so easily.

Had some bad ref desisions this season. sunderland games , richardson should have gone , carroll goal disallowed, then last week against bolton a ovious back pass

Bilverstone

Were they not fed before the match?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:39:08
Anyone saw how Enrique pulled out of that tackle after Reina's long punt? Suarez was screaming at him afterwards. Where's the fighting spirit boys? Poor penalty conceded. No support for Suarez whatsoever when ball is played to him. Come on lads.

Keith YNWA

I did, it was a slight disappointment but the challenging player was flying in well before Enrique got to the ball. Could have done himself a serious injury if he went in for it.

RedSG

I know it is time for Carra to be giving the boot,He just hoofs the ball, pulls players back everytime he's turned .I am so disapointed that Kenny picks him. I honestly thought Kenny would have the bottle to drop him before he cost us a challenging season,

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:33:06
1 nil. Down away from home let's see what our team is made off now.big test.
Carra has been poor.hoofing ball even when their is space and time.
Poor penalty given by carra.did anyone notice stoke have kept grass little long so we can't play smooth pass n move.
This will tell how much we have move forward.
Bench will play role I feel.
Common Mr. Carrol.

Red indian

I agree they have left the grass that long it looks like there playing in treacle never mind the narrowing of the pitch this is the reason i hate playing stoke they know they cant play football so they do everything they can to stop other teams playing i just cant see how we wont get one goal weve been all over them im thinking we can get a result here hopefully
giblet

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:32:24
carager should b drop from the starting line up he has tried for liverpool bt nw his just 2 slow and lack strength.

Two penalties in a row!
This is the same Carra that caused us not to escape with a clean sheet against Bolton. As much as I love Carra, maybe it high time we let him play less games. That penalty was pure outrageous. A very silly one for that matter.

O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:29:33
Great illustration of why we won't be Champions. Liverpool dominating - clear cut handball by Stoke defender - not seen. Tussle between carragher and Stoke player - penalty awarded. We have a goalkeeper who cannot stop a penalty to save his life!
DM

I was going to let this go until I saw the last sentence.

Reina is the best goalkeeper in the premier league. He has been an amazing player for us since he signed in 2005.

Go look at the penalty shoot out vs West Ham in 2006, then tell me he can't stop a penalty.

RenegadeRed

Did you watch the Fa cup final when liverpool won it? i believe you'll find reina is great at saving penalties

So far this season Liverpool have been the subject of a number of very dubious refereeing decisions. Without wishing to be paranoid is their a referre's vendetta against us?

DM,
Tell me you do not know what you are talking about and I'll let go.
Reina? Are you freaking nuts? He's one of the best in the world.

O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)

Its only half time we have been all over them an as for reina not been able to save a penalty its a well known facr he,s probably the best penalty saving keeper in the world
giblet

I agree with all of you about dubious penalties - but the fact is that he has not saved one or even been near saving one for a very long time.I have tried to find out how many he has actually saved but can find no statistics. It would appear that he only manages to stop penalties in shoot-outs but he CANNOT stop one in a match which would keep us in a game and uplift his team-mates. The fact that he cannot stop penalties prevents him being called the best goalkeeper.
DM

Reina should have stopped the penalty isn't that what goalkeepers are supoposed to do?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:29:17
dont worry guys still playing quite well..

stoke wont win this game...IF WE PLAY FOOTBALL..we should match them by punting in the air............downing right and bellamy on the left..if no goal by halftime

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:27:53
Carra costing us a goal again lads.I know he#s a legend, we can't critisise him or drop him, we have to hope he retires in 2 yrs time. We will win nowt with him in the team.

Micheal Mouse

Like every player on the team, their place is not guaranteed... I'd like to see Coates/Skrtel and Agger play together, they are good players that like to build play up from the back unlike Carragher

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:22:28
that just highlighted Carra being past it for me

Taxi for Carra ffs

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:21:13
What crappy penalty is this?

O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)

Was a penalty. Carra caught out for pace, arm all around Walters pulling him down.

Agree it was a penalty.
My worry is with Carra for giving away such a crappy penalty. Jeez!

O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)

 

 

10 Sep 2011 15:10:04
Hey Ed.

can you recommend any sites which stream the match online?

Great site cheers

JMC {Ed001's Note - no I can't recommend any, my connection is pathetic today and I can't get a decent feed because of it. So I couldn't tell you who has a decent feed today.}

Soccertvlive.net link 2

Www.livefooty.doctor-serv.com
You have to download sopcast and enable the add-on but the quality is brilliant today.

10 Sep 2011 17:35:31
Ed, use this,
eplsite.org/stream5.html
It will load almost immediately.

O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)

 

 

10 Sep 2011 14:57:37
Any one know where to watch game online?

Www.firstrowsports.eu

 

 

10 Sep 2011 14:50:15
Any word on a linky for watching the game today? I think its on Sultana Sports...any ideas folks?

CharlieBravo {Ed002's Note - Please read the earlier posts.}

 

 

10 Sep 2011 14:42:35
I've been told by someone who should know what they're talking about that the new stadium is looking the more likely option.
If it turns out I'm wrong then I'll explain the rumour. If I'm right then I won't be able to sorry......
Anyway, I've literally just been told so I thought I should pass it on. I'll let you know if i manage to validate it.
Duckula

ps bye bye stoke.

 

 

10 Sep 2011 14:40:49
Any links for the games chaps?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 14:39:33
Come on you reds today anybody got a link that i can watch the game here in Brasil please.............?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 14:33:56
Ed How come we are after Lucas when he makes movies like Star Wars or sells electrical carparts or is a double act with David Walliams or is a heroine dealling kingpin out of Harlem....or are these just different Lucases...cheers smf

 

 

10 Sep 2011 14:29:30
Here's the pre-match reminder to get the match on your PC.

1. Install the browser Google Chrome.

2. Look in the top right (your right) corner and you will see a spanner.

3. Click on the spanner and select 'tools'.

4. Click on extensions

5. At the bottom right (as you look at it) you will see 'Get More Extensions >>'. Select this.

6. In the search box type 'Chrome Live Football' and search.

7. Click on Chrome Live Football and then click on install. (it may download to a holding file in the bottom left as you look at it, in which case as soon as it's finished click there, but mostly it will install itself)

8. A small football will then appear in the top right (as you look at it). Click on that, select 'live stream' and reset the clock to GMT and it will list all the live games available all over europe and other places.

You may occasionally need to install other programmes or the link you pick will only work on Explorer (in which case cut and paste the URL into Explorer), but you will always get every EPL match (or any other). Sometimes you will only be able to find it with foreign commentary and sometimes you will get it in English. You'll get about thirty links and you may have to look through a lot of them to get what you want. You will also get most La Liga matches, Greek matches, Italian matches and French matches as well as top matches from South America.

Someone also asked about viruses etc. Google Chrome is actually far more secure than Internet Explorer so the risks are considerably less, but you should have decent virus/spyware programmes and run sweeps regularly as a matter of course.

The quality will also depend on the speed of your internet connection. If you have super-speed and have a modern HD TV, consider connecting your PC to the TV via the PC socket on the side/ back.

Cut and paste the above into a document and save it for future reference.

RED LENIN. {Ed004's Note - Thanks, will be using that today.}

 

 

10 Sep 2011 14:28:37
Tried the live streaming now and it worked. I am currently watching Nistru vs Zimbru. I hope it works for the Liverpool match as well, I just cant wait enough.

O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red)

 

 

10 Sep 2011 14:24:05
Any sites to watch the match today eds!

JH LFC96

Www.soccertvlive.net has a very good stream and wont stop

 

 

10 Sep 2011 14:19:50
Glad to see we have gone for the side that started at Bolton(apart from Skertl) I am always a believer in 'If you play well you keep you place' and I think this sends that sort of message out. Same for Skertl, he did brilliantly when he came on so deserves his place!
John Wigan

Just checked out the team selection, and looks great to me! What is even more impressive though is the bench. I can't remember the last time we had such a good squad, so that the likes of Bellamy, Carroll and Maxi were on the bench, plus good cover for the defence and defensive midfiled with Spearing. Add to that we've still got Gerrard to come back, and that's got to be a squad that can beat anybody!

 

 

10 Sep 2011 14:12:29
Can anyone tell me why Raul is still on the front page of the LFC website surely the web designers should have it down by now?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 13:49:40
redevelop anfield iv seen in ireland the old lansdowne rd done very quick and it is a very good job

ask to share goodison for a season,

start work in may

play as champions @ everton for the year

finnish work for the new 2014 season

start work on the 20th-21st championships

singing YNWA

get it done get in their ,

 

 

10 sep 2011 13:55:49
lfclivewire.blogspot.com/2011/09/stoke-v-liverpool.html

found it in twitter for todays match enjoy guys

 

 

10 Sep 2011 13:43:48
I think Kuyt should be starting today against Stoke because he's the only one with 100% record with penalties! SingRed

 

 

10 Sep 2011 13:41:04
I personally wouldn't mind playing a 3-5-2 formation in order to match the ariel presence Stoke will possess. Lets not forget we are coming up against Crouchy today and all 6 foot 7 of him! With Sebastian Coates being 6 foot 6, he'll be an ideal player to man mark Crouch with only an inch between them.


.............................Reina...................................

.............Carra........Coates.........Agger.................

Johnson...................................................Enrique

............Lucas..........Adam...........Downing............

....................Kuyt...........Suarez.........................

Doni
Kelly
Skrtel
Henderson
Maxi
Bellamy
Carroll

GOOD ONE but Kelly is fit there. and coates is new he not going to start a away match for sure

Would never play carra agen

 

 

10 Sep 2011 13:27:13
All you Liverpool fans, I hope you will take a minute today to remember the late great Jock Stein, he died on 10 Septmeber 1985. All us Celtic fans remember Shankly with affection, I hope you will do the same with big Jock hail hail Celtic Bhoy 1888

Jock Stein will live forever!

Dont Buy the Sun

Big Jock will always be in our hearts... hell never walk alone

Tel 1949

Legend
The Real KB

 

 

10 Sep 2011 13:15:35
Many thanks guys for the link for the footie anyway for the guy who said liveonlinefooty.com It says no new subscribers but cheers for the help pk

 

 

10 Sep 2011 13:07:39
Link for todays game. There is a few links possible and i've never had any problems with the site. Hope this helps.

www.livefootballstream.net/

Kenny2

10 Sep 2011 13:54:57
www.soccertvlive.net/

I get this site from here and its help me to watch few match guys can try on it

A few more;

www.soccertvlive.net (Ed's choice)
www.vipbox.tv
myp20.eu (Not sure if this one still works)

RenegadeRed

 

 

10 Sep 2011 12:52:45
Ed , the expansion of this site has given me a real boost in recent days but have you thought seriously about a knitting page , or , perhaps , embroidery ?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 12:35:26
On which site can I watch the Liverpool vs stoke match?

O'seunfunmi (Anfield Red) {Ed002's Note - Please read the other posts.}

 

 

10 Sep 2011 12:34:14
just my bit bout stadium
As much as i would h8 for anfield to go so is the times of modern football is money and if us competing with the best is about money which it is then we must let anfield go

J.JONES

Your right! So lets plunge the club into debt.
Arsenal cant sell out the emirates, Juve have down sized their stade and all across Europe attendances are plunging so your right its all about money lets waste £400m

I believe we could fill 65,000 seats most weeks an deifantely against top 6 arsenal couldnt fill leyton orients ground with the football there playing at the minute but if they were challenging they would fill it but we have more loyal supporters who are more committed to coming
jez

 

 

10 Sep 2011 12:31:06
Eds or anyone, please could someone let me know if you can stream the game live this afternoon.... I know this has been asked and posted before so apologies for the repeat - any chance of sme links to these sites?
Great Job Eds
Thanks {Ed002's Note - Please read the earlier answers. This has already been answered this morning.}

 

 

10 Sep 2011 12:11:21
Man utd -1, liverpool -1, man city -2, arsenal and chelsea both to win. Fiver pays 193 on paddy power.
KOPFIEND 1978 YNWA

 

 

10 Sep 2011 12:05:08
How can i watch they liverpool stoke game on my laptop? cheers {Ed002's Note - Try www.soccertvlive.net/}

Another great site is p2pfire.com

R@

 

 

10 Sep 2011 11:48:41
hi eds hows tricks...come on the boys lets have the win today and keep this going.cant wait for 3pm,this will be a hard game this one,stoke are a big side loads of long ball stuff from them today.but we have got the tools needed to get the job done,im hoping this game could be just what carrol need's for a lift.if not downing will Tee up SUPER SUAREZ.plus good luck too all are new boys keep up the hard work,2 nill too us today.in king kenny we trust.jay essex red for life red till dead....

 

 

10 Sep 2011 11:44:13
Does anyone know who is our penalty taker is from now on or are they going to share them between kuyt suarez and adam. I now stevie will take them upon his return. Just need to know for betting purposes.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa

Depends who is on the pitch at the time

It looks has though saurez has taken on the responsibility through seniority but i think adam should take them everyday of the week.
Jaydee

Gotta be kuyt. At least till he misses. We are spoilt for choice.
Wavertree red

 

 

10 Sep 2011 11:40:12
Liverpool have once again been linked with Marko Marin. I hope this is true because this kid is class. But I remember him saying he wasn't looking to leave Bremen in the transfer window. We should have got him when he was at Borussia Mönchengladbach. Liverpool have a very good relationship with them.

In King Kenny We Trust

YNWA

GMan

 

 

10 Sep 2011 11:05:19
@ Huyton Red - New Stadium
Morning mate. You certainly do provide a good argument, albeit one set with some broad assumptions, as Ed002 said yday. But your assumptions are based on reasoned background.
My final point is this :
At present the team is under a re-building process. We need a squad good enough to attain CL football, and then stay there. That, in itself requires more high spending for another few more transfer windows.
Unless we have regular CL income, I feel the financial requirements of a new stadium will leave us with little room for manoeuvre to purchase new players of sufficient quality in the future.
You may say that the young players will step in to the picture. LFC'c academy is now highly thought of so i don't know if there are enough quality young players ready to come through. i suppose that is another risk.
I think that is the operative word for the entire project, "risk". It's a matter of balancing the risks at a time of economic uncertainty.
From what I know of FSG, their business approach seems careful, cost conscious (in a sensible way), living within your means. It's a big ask of them but we'll see.
The Real KB

Great news , will make us be able to match the other teams in money terms , bit sad about anfield , but think of all the fans who are on the waiting list , onwards, on and off the field for liverpool fc.........lfc

Has any of the (LFC) Eds heard anything on this subject ? Seems to be contradictory info floating about. I have not heard any info by the way, just giving my opinion.
The Real KB

I understand what your saying about assumptions however what I'm saying is the ground will only be built when the finance and naming rights are in place. Which they are now subject to contracts.

The only assumption is revenue generated by the ground but noone can get that 100% until it's a reality.

The club / Fsg are going to build with naming rights and interest leaving a 20m cost per year. In other words there assuming the ground will generate £20m a year. So will have no effect on player purchases etc unless additional income drops below £20m a season.

So won't make a blind bit of difference to any other aspect of the club. Apart from possibly increase budget.

Huyton red

 

 

10 Sep 2011 10:45:15
Footy tips now up

 

 

10 Sep 2011 10:41:01
Hey ed's and fellow reds can any one help with a good link for today's game,because the odd ones I use keep freezing I have an decent connection speed but none work smoothly is it my fault or is this the norm cheers pk

Liveonlinefooty,com costa 6 quid for 60 days but pics are great and rarely freezes up

TC YNWA

 

 

10 Sep 2011 09:55:00
how is it that roy hodgson didnt buy any of the players we offloaded ? is it coz he knew they wer useless ...lets have a debate on this or an investegation,

I suppose he didn't want to make the same mistakes twice. lol
huddz red

Didn't Roy only buy Cole, Poulsen and meirles? They were all off loaded.

Probably he couldn't pay the high wages which he paid them as a lfc as a west brom manager

Konchesky?

Maxi?

 

 

10 Sep 2011 09:20:44
y didnt my team line up get posted ed/s

J.JONES {Ed002's Note - Have you looked under "Teams"?}

 

 

10 Sep 2011 09:17:29
Morning Ed this is a genuine request, any chance of a fishing site?

Chris in Tamworth {Ed002's Note - I'll ask Chris.}

Golf site sounds like a good idea?

Corkpoolred

Really you guys should get out more

 

 

10 Sep 2011 09:09:22
just a question to one of the eds is it possible if we were to build new we could get a 60,000 now wit money available and naming rights but also have plans of a further add on of between 10000-15000 when more money becomes available further down the track

J.JONES {Ed002's Note - Any new build would have to leave consideration for expansion.}

 

 

10 Sep 2011 08:59:45
Howdy all you good people!
Another day of what is sure to be scintillating footy is upon us. Any predictions?
Well, here's my take:

STOKE v LFC: 0-3 win for us. It'll be more comfortable than the scoreline suggests, tho. Hendo to bag a brace with Luis taking his tally to 4 in all comps.

SAFC v CFC: one-all draw. Meireles will open his account.

WOLVES v SPURS: 4-2 to Mick's charges. I honestly am expecting such a result.

GOONER v Swansea: 2-2. Tbh, this is more of a hope than expectation.

I expect Manc Filth and Moneybags to both win their matches, though a draw for the former isn't to be ruled out.

On these predictions, come Monday, we'll be on 10 points with a +7 gd, 2 points behind no. 1 and 2; 2 points ahead of Chelsea; 10 clear of Spurs and 8 ahead of Arsenal.

At this point, our CL place is well consolidated, with a real chance of ascending to the top should 1 and 2 both slip up.

We in a healthy position right now. We've established an excellent head start on Arsenal and Spurs. It's up to us to maintain it.
If by the new year we some 13+ points clear of Arsenal and Spurs; 6 ahead of Chelsea and only 2 or 3 behind 1 and 2, CL will be virtually a cert and the title a real possibility.

We're traditionally strong finishers, so I don't expect us to fade.

For me, a top 3 finish and the FA Cup with maybe a semifinal appearance in the Carling Cup will represent an excellent season considering where we were this time last year.

I appreciate the optimism and urge to go for the jugular. However, never forget the muds we once stood on which very nearly swallowed us.
Never take for granted.

Champions League qualification ALONE will be an immense season.
But judging from some attitudes, it would seem CL qualification is the bare minimum.
Nay, it AIN'T.

Baie dankie

Burmeister
Ps: Huyton Red, The Real KB, I've enjoyed the stadium discussion. Keep it coming, lads, so refreshing.

After last seasons crazy season with the top teams dropping so many points I think it will be back to a bit more reality this season expect the current top 4 to stay there all season.

Think the next 2 games for Liverpool are massive. If we get 6 points it's game on. Expect arsenal to finish 6th this season cl to us with spurs 5th

Some crazy predictions there my good man. Cant see arsenal not winning and spurs too. Hope your right all the same.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa

It will be more comfortable than 3nil suggests. How easy do u think the game will be lol? I'm goin for a hard fought game which we will win 2nil with stewie getn his 1s
Wavertree red

 

 

10 Sep 2011 08:19:11
AN APPOLOGY FROM GET REAL TO HUYTON RED AND OTHERS.

I have to issue a sincere appology. The recent discusion regarding the Stadium options has provided heated and divisive argument. I have consistently argued a new build is out of the question due to economic factors WELL HUYTON RED AND OTHERS I WAS WRONG BIG TIME! I have been told by a trusted source information which would seem to confirm Huytons post. I was told after enquiring further this very morning. My source stated that 1 naming rights is not at present being offered as it has been agreed. 2 (dont know were Huyton gets his info but its good) This I cant get my head round HKSinc, Hicks designers, have been commisioned to upgrade that design to an initial circa 70k 3 The Anfield site will be commercially redeveloped. My source didnt know or wouldnt say the name of the company who has secured naming rights but was told by someone higher up the food chain it is a "jaw dropping deal with a massive global brand" I failed to find out any news regarding an official announcement. Huytons access or knowledge of the finance numbers suggests his source or he is a true insider.

I am truely sorry for doubting and cant believe in a time of economic near collapse that FSG have pulled off this massive coup! They have defied current economic logic with a daring and pragmatic plan. To think in around 5yrs we will play in a 70k all seater super modern stade is unreal.

Now really please.....

Get Real

Haha well I weren't exepecting that this morning. If supporting Liverpool over the last few years has tought me anything its that we should wait until it's signed and sealed.

Big respect to GET REAL who has been true to his word and apologised. I weren't getting frustrated that you didn't believe me as I ain't posted anything before. Just because you were questioning my maths. As a qualified accountant I'm sure you can understand why I was getting annoyed. Haha

My source seemed very adamant it was happening which is why I shared the info. Maybe your source nows of new developments mine thinks it ain't been signed yet but was under the impression the golden figure of £180m had been smashed.

Might actually get a season ticket in my own name soon! The info he gave me is this is the jewell in the crown but by no means the end. Apparently there are several pipeline deals to drag our income well past even what FSG expected.

Is this a real apology or is he being sarcastic?
The Real KB

So when will the club announce somthing, if what you say is true? If you have been privy to this information, then surely you have been also told, about an announcement.

Cheers

Blair Mayne YNWA

Real KB I can only assume it is as it's similar to the info I was given originally.

Blair as I have said my info says it's down to 3 offers that haven't been signed yet. Announcement to be made when signed due to amendments needing to be submitted to council for planning permission.

Maybe Get Real can clarify more if he thinks a deal has been signed.

Huyton Red

1 CIRCA 70,000seats
2 HSK reworked design state of the art accoustics and green technology throughout
3 Work completed for 2015-2016 season
4 Unprecedented naming rights deal with global mega brand that will dovetail with the history and tradition of the club
5 Announcement on core details this month,fine details subject to change so dont expect full portfolio

But seriously please....

Get Real

Re : poss naming rights deal. top 10 (2011) global brands are all US owned -
Google / Microsoft / Wallmart / IBM / Vodaphone / Bank of America / General Electronics / Apple / Wells Fargo / AT & T.
The Real KB

My sources thinks it will be 1 of the 2 Asian based companies. Although apparently all 3 companies have been made aware of the best offer so any could come back with a better offer. Basically an auction.

Huyton red

 

 

10 Sep 2011 00:49:21
one thing i can NOT stand is how Rory delap gets away with wasting 15 seconds every time the ball goes out and also advancing 10 yards with his run up how the officials haven't clocked on i don't know

I think most players steal a few yards on throw ins.

It is far longer than that after he towels the ball down aswell...

 

 

10 Sep 2011 00:23:17
Can anyone explain to me why the new owners are wasting time and money travelling the world in pursuit of naming rights partners when a new stadium is so unrealistic.

Surly by even admitting their doing it they're leaving themselves open to mockery.

I think you should be more worried about this post leaving you open to mockery...then again, you didnt leave a name...surprise surprise

Red Til Dead

Why would it leave me open to mockery? People like GET REAL have posted that a new ground will never happen every couple of hours for the last few days.

Why are you wasting your time??
JJ blackpool

That's the spirit.

I think others may take you more seriously with your quest if you did leave a name or sign off.

Dirks Engine Room

Anfield will be suitably referbed,now in terms of Tom Hicks mirage you need to breath deep open your eyes and....

Get Real

 

 

09 Sep 2011 23:35:45
Just wonderin what people would put down for top 5 transfers for LFC. Mine would go

1.Sami Hyypia
2.Pepe Reina
3.Gary Mcallister
4.Steve Finnan
5.Xabi Alonso

Spriggo

I'm assuming your meaning recent(ish) transfers as dagleish, souness, barnes, keegan etc etc are not on your list.

Also Torres sold with £20m profit. Saurez a world beater. Hemann was inspirational. Hyypia

1. kenny dalglish
2.got stuck here

Carra - rates our selling of Torres as his top 5 transfer business LFC ever did! heeha

Bob Paisley was our best buy ever

Coates is our new hyypia so lets see

 

 

 
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