Liverpool Banter Archive September 10 2012

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10 Sep 2012 21:26:03
Samed Yesil scored againg for Germany U19s tonight.

Just hope he starts knocking them in for us lol

ACHILLES.

10 Sep 2012 20:53:07
We've been linked with a few free agents and i understand why, the transfer window was a shambles and instead of pointing the finger at who is to blame i say screw it! its done and we cant take it back and as for free agents screw that too! lets get our reserves and youngsters in the squad, is it a big ask? yes it is but what if its successful!? what if Morgan finds the net better than rooney? what if suso sets up more goals than hazard? i think our top team rep is gone and i think our transfer dealings will make us look like a bad club to deal with! We can make a bigger statement with our youngsters than some free agent! so i say we are Liverpool! we are anfield! and we can still show we have heart and faith in our ability and if we all believe and maybe even fail i think we show character pride and we Liverpool players and fans together truly will never walk alone

To be honest by the time suso is hazards age now he will be a better player than him no doubt wat so ever.

I think this free agent business is a damned if you do damned if you don't saga, myself. If we do, it will be us admitting openly we made a balls up last month and if we don't, it'll be can't we even afford wages for a freebie? IMHO, I wouldn't have minded one, except for Owen that is, but as long as we don't over push the youngsters, maybe it's time to see if they can sink or swim, until January at least? But and it's a big but, we do have to sign a good striker in the January window, doesn't have to be world class (as if) but a decent one that could fill in if need be. He needs to be good enough to give us fans some confidence if Suarez and or Borini have a bad injury and need a spell on the side lines. We had it last season when Lucas was out and no like for like replacement.

Keith

I wouldn't like to see our youngsters and reserves in since I would rather not be watching Championship football next season.

Wouldn't work. When we are 2-0 down at home after 30 mins, wel get on the poor young players backs and finish them mentally. Best sticking with the hundreds of millions worth of players we have at the club already...

10 Sep 2012 20:29:40
Umm...where is the Real KB plz?

Did he take hit like the others at the club during the massive shakeup or what?.

Has he been banned?

I'm asking cos I heard he was going to save LFC and we just might need him in that tiki taka kommittee.

Pow

He's probably got a bit sick of all the moaning on here recently.
Like myself and probably half the other regulars.
Must admit though the last few days have been really empty and easier to read. (thanks eds)

MIKEY

10 Sep 2012 20:22:39
Rafa says he was 'Surprised' the FSG did not approach him for the vacant managers position......... I'm not... FACT!

Stevie.

I loved and respected Rafa as both a manager and a good man. I still think he is one of the best tactical managers in the game.

With That said; FSG bought the club with their own money, debt free. They said they wanted a young manager and that they wanted a young team with players growing into the stars of the future alongside a few veterans. They are doing this. It's their money. When you buy the club then you can hire any type of manager you want.

SpudRed

Had huge respect for Rafa as our manager. Thought he was a class act, even when the message board fans slated him horribly towards the end. I still think he's a fantastic tactical master of the game of football.

All that said, however, he can go F**k himself for that comment. Sell a couple more books while you add fuel to the persons calling for Brendan Rodgers head after 3 league games. Go on home to spain now, I don't want you back any more.

SpudRed

Spudred doing a good job of showing a lot of ignorance there.

Rafa was answering a direct question with a direct honest answer. End of.

Maradoo

Rodgers should have never been appointed and so should not be in the position of being talked about for the chop

However Rodgers should be sacked as each day he's turning more and more in Henry's puppet

That why Kenny was sacked

10 Sep 2012 19:51:57
As much as i am glad raheem is gets called up to the england squad i think this might be bad. BR didnt want him playing at u21 level cause basically he didnt want it going to his head and secondly i think this will be putting him in the shop window if he does well which i hav no doubt about everyone is gonna want him e.g man city,chelsea.

It might also have something to do with the Jamaican coach wanting him to play for Jamaica. If he plays at all he is tied to england I believe and doesnt give the Jamaican coach a chance to change his mind.
Andrew

Its awesome, shows other young players that LFC is a club where Youngsters gets playtime ...

The shop window? You mean he isn't in the shop window when he plays for Liverpool on the weekends, too?

person :(

McSnuggles

We'll just put a £70+ mill buy out clause on his contract that should do it!!

He gets game time at Liverpool he is happy

Or it has something to do with the fact that Stuart Pearce is a useless manager.

BthekingB

I think he will few minutes just to kill Jamaica's chances of getting him.

He should play for Jamaica - more chance of a world cup

We nicked him from QPR. It's inevitable a bigger club will come in for him soon enough.

10 Sep 2012 18:12:54
Really pleased the Hillsborough documents are to be released at last. Hopefully the namby pamby statements of 'cover up' and 'closing ranks' will soon be replaced with the more accurate ones of :-

'Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice'
and
'Unlawful Killing'

Great work from all campaigners for Justice, lets all keep it going.

JFT96 They will never walk alone

EFCwhitesocks

Op is regular poster on everton site. I an everton fan who visits the site to enjoy the negativity like relegation battle comnents. However who can disagree with op comments. persons the 4 who at time i read this post. Justice for the 96 from a blue paul c

10 Sep 2012 19:24:09
About Reina....lets be clear

City wasn't reina's fault. (kellys fault they got level, then SKRTEL'S fault we let them get level again)

WBrom wasn't reina's fault (wonder strike, then penalty, then poor defending on the third goal)

Arsenal wasn't reina's fault only the second goal was, which by that time the game was finished. it was finished when we conceded the first goal (GERRARD'S fault)

where is Reina to blame for us loosing points? he only conceded because 1 the defense has been poor and 2 we have been poor in possession. {Ed052's Note - Mate, it wasn't Kelly's fault, it was Reina's. He should have done far better first Arsneal goal, and should have held the second}

I defended him over the summer, I genuinely felt he wasn't making major errors last season, it's just that his habit of trying to second guess the striker made a couple of concessions look really soft.

But he flapped at the cross for City game, the ball shouldn't have reached Kelly.

And Carzorla's goal was a clanger. Plain and simple.

Reina will probably be given a chance to get his form back because Jones is only just about Premier League level and Doni wants away (assuming he hasn't been released). I would hope he takes it because when he's on top of his game, or even in normal form, he's one of the best around.

- Something Red -

If we follow this kind of thing to it's logical
conclusion nothing will ever be a goalkeeper's fault. Reina has been poor for a while

Puzzled

It was actually Skrtels fault, he headed it just as Reina was about to punch it. But if you want to make Reina the scapegoat then so be t.

How can u say that was gerrards fault when he give the ball away by the arsenal penalty areaand there was at least 5 players behind him does that mean every time a player gives the ball away in some one elses half that its their fault if the other team score and as for reina he hasent played well since rafa went

A good keep would have saved them goals . thats fact

If Liverpool played against keepers like Reina every week, we wouldn't be struggling to score.

Whichever way you look at it Reina is struggling big time at the moment. Hearts was lack of concentration. Needs to be dropped.

Mighty reds

Agree with ed but don't hold it against Pepe

Ed052, I think you're wrong. For the first City goal, Skrtel got a little touch that took it away from Reina's attempt to parry. The ball then went on to Kelly. I agree it was difficult for him but he should have tried t clear first time, instead it sort of hit his leg and fell to Toure - not Reina's fault.

I don't see how he was at fault for Podolski's goal. He was set up one on one with the keeper and dispatched it into the far corner - hardly a keeper error.

I agree that Reina's form has been generally pretty poor but it doesn't help looking for fault where there is none.

redmersey

He was the fault for both goals against City.
He fumbled the first which Kelly had no hope of clearing and he should have held up the ball on the second but gave a poor short pass to Skrtel which forced a silly error

TrueRed73

The City goal WAS Kelly's fault - he should have wellied it into row Z

Hearts at Anfield?

To point fingers: Pepe has to take is share of the blame.

Gerrard has given in the ball away leading on the the opposition scoring in all 3 prem games.

Suarez needs to bring players in to play rather than trying to do it on his own.

Three players down the spine of the team that will come in to form - no bout.

Lets just back the lads.

Shmickles

Mate

What colour's the sky in your world?
Reina has been the most overrated import in the PL for years.

Good goalkeeper? Yes, of course he is; you have to be to play at that level but great? Do me a favour. He's built like a middleweight but goes down like a small scotch everytime a forward goes near him. His reflexes and agility are no more than average for the level he plays ;its his reading of the game, footwork and distribution that have won him the plaudits over the years but he is far from being the complete package which is what you need in a top team.
He has become increasingly culpable for unnecessary goals over the last two seasons and his positioning leaves a lot to be desired. Think Dempsey at Fulham last year and Van Persie at Anfield, you could have driven a bus through the gap he left at the near post.
Sure, he's had great games too but I think he is the last link to be cut from the Rafa era of Spanish signings.
I know hindsight is a marvelous thing but if we had any inkling earlier of what was to come, we should have asked Newcastle for £5mill and Tim Kruhl in exchange for Andy Carroll then sold Reina on the open market to recoup some cash

Captain Kidney

And don't forget Hearts. :(

Liverpool fans always need a player to hate it seems.
Looks like it's reinas turn.
His form dropped when he sacked off his coach, he needs to sort his game out and get himself a decent coach.
He has been solid for us for ages, let's not turn on one of our best players for a small dip in form.

MIKEY

Mikey, Reina didn't sack Xavi Valero. He can't sack coaches at the club. Valero wasn't even "sacked" as such, he left with Rafa and joined Inter.

Although he's unemployed now, maybe we should get him back.

- Something Red -

And the hearts game? 35 yards out?

We were awful on the day. Whole team needs to take responsibility. If performances don't improve, it'll be mid table at best.

10 Sep 2012 19:15:19
You can Love or hate Rafa . but one of his point is truth. This Club was no 1in europe few years back. and where are we now ? can anyone say what is our ranking ?

r-r

It depends on how you define it. On one hand, we're not in the CL, whilst 32 other teams currently are. Which would put us 33rd at best. But we're probably a bit more appealing to a potential player than Nordsjaelland or BATE Borisov who are in the CL.

On the other, we're 17th according to the UEFA Co-efficient. But that's calculated over the last 5 years and we'll probably drop outside the top 20 next season because our best season that counts is probably the one furthest back, which will be taken from our calculation.

I have a lot of respect for Rafa. Most managers would've struggled more than he did in the job, given the rebuild that was on when he arrived. The only two worthwhile attacking players at the club were Gerrard and Owen, the latter of whom left immediately. Every other good player we had was a defender or a defensive midfielder. Maybe except Riise who could play left wing as well as left back. And I think it's tarnished his reputation a little unfairly that he was never really allowed make up for the two poor transfer windows he had at the end.

But I don't agree with the calls to sack Rodgers and bring in Rafa. (I know you're not making one, but others are)

Rodgers is our manager now, and he's only had a the job a wet day. He has every chance of becoming as big or bigger a legend than Rafa, as long as he's given that chance by us and the owners.

- Something Red -

We may have won the Champs League, but that was won through sheer determination and team work. How can you be no. 1 in Europe when you only finish 5th in PL in 2005 (and have actually NEVER won the PL)
So, do you think Chelsea are no. 1 in Europe now, because they did a similar (but obviously not so memorable....sorry Ed 002) thing to us in winning whilst struggling in PL.
We have not been no. one in Europe since the late 70's /80's. in real terms.....forget the points system in 07 and 08.
I don't dislike Rafa and I supported him while he was here, but come on....No. 1 in Europe! Clutching at straws mate! Don't quote the stats to me as they mean nothing really.

KJS

FFS move on - he was no good, end of. Just answer one question, why is he still out of work?

Not Rafa's biggest fan but you cannot argue with that.

Rafa should have been given the job he has proved himself at top level we were at our best the years he was there nobody in europe relished playing us and now look does any one fear us now i think not

We beat teams like Juve, Real Madrid, Barca, Milan, Chelsea, Arsenal in the champions league every year we played under rafa apart from our last champions league participation.

We were a European Force teams feared us.!

Now we got teams like West Brom and QPR ribbing their hands together and licking their lips counting the days before they get 3 points of us.

Rafa made us punch above our weight. We won't do that now.
Let me make myself clear. I don't like Rodgers because he is two-faced and won nothing. I don't like his ego either. FSG can stick to rounders or baseball or whatever they call that cure for insomnia.

Raul

If my memory serves me right, Rafa winning the champs league was a complete fluke. Similar to when Greece won the Euros. He just happened to be in charge when the minnow won on the day. Id say our club is currently where it belongs.

How can you be no. 1 in Europe when you only finish 5th in PL in 2005 (and have actually NEVER won the PL)

So you say that Uefa make mistake or its wrong calculation?

10 Sep 2012 19:07:37
we should just sign adrian lopez {Ed052's Note - How?}

If they offer me 100k a week, between now and Jan i will cut 2 stone and will sign a contract saying if i dont hit 10 goals between jan and may, i will give 80% of my accumulated wages to charity.

We can chase him with black felt markers.

Cuchulainns Hounds

Make bid, agree fee, speak to player, agree personal terms, have medical, sign dotted line

Doubt we could get him mate. I think hel go to a bigger club fighting for trophies.

10 Sep 2012 18:28:03
Congratulations to raheem sterling for making the england squad!

Lil Red

Congratulations

And media criticism when he doesn't score a hat-trick on his debut coming in 5...4...3...2...

- Something Red -

10 Sep 2012 17:20:11
this very good article wraps up what actually is going on..cmon people a little patience.
pankaj
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Less than twelve weeks ago Brendan Rodgers was a darling of the media who it seemed could do little wrong. After Rodgers had taken Swansea to the dizzy heights of mid-table in the Premier League he was being hailed as the next big thing, a manager who knew how to get a British team playing the Barcelona way, and getting results by playing that way too.

Fast forward less than three months and Rodgers is Liverpool manager, with the media describing him as out of his depth, undermined and one dimensional. If readers want another example of the fickle nature of the British press we need only look to Andy Carroll. Three months ago he was allegedly the biggest flop in Liverpool history - a £35m waste of money. In the last week he has been hailed as the saviour of West Ham and has been given rave reviews by the British media for a single performance in which he last less than seventy minutes and failed to score. He is now injured for six weeks but someone will find a way of blaming Rodgers for that.

These two examples are not meant to represent a personal review of Carroll and Rodgers performances, but they go an awful long way to explaining the apparent 'plight' that Liverpool Football Club finds itself in. Three games into the season and Liverpool are at the bottom of the Premier League table with only a single point to show for their efforts. Perhaps it does look bleak but look a bit deeper and things are perhaps not quite as bad as the media would like us all to believe.

Liverpool have played two home games. During one of these they dominated against last season's league champions and went ahead twice. In the second match they came up against an Arsenal side with something to prove, a team that will no doubt have a say in where the league title eventually ends up this season. In addition to that, Liverpool had an away game at West Brom, a chance for Steve Clark to get one up on the club that sacked him only a few months earlier. Since beating Liverpool that day, undeservedly it has to be said, West Brom have gone on to beat an in form Everton side and manage a deserved draw away to Tottenham, who finished fourth last season.

This is not meant to suggest that Liverpool are actually having a good season, but merely to put a more balanced perspective on life inside Anfield. Things could be better, and it is not the start Liverpool were hoping for, but there are 35 league games to go and lots of them will be easier than the three encounters Liverpool have begun the season with. Liverpool as a club though are victims of their own success. Having enjoyed a 60 year trophy laden dynasty where only one manager, Roy Hodgson, failed to present silverware to the fans, the expectations on the team and club are colossus. It is these comparisons that we must go back to when we try to explain the current issues Brendan Rodgers is dealing with at Anfield.

Rodgers is not attempting to follow some of the most successful managers in Liverpool history; his immediate predecessors were trying to achieve that. Souness, Evans, Houllier, Benitez, Hodgson and Dalglish have all struggled to emulate the success of previous eras and it is important to consider the quality and age of the squad that was inherited by each of these managers when we generate lofty expectations of what lies ahead each season.

Comparisons down the years are extremely dangerous but some things in football stay the same. One of these is the age at which players reach their prime. Regardless of quality, or price tag, is has always been the case that footballers are in their prime between the ages of 26 and 28. Looking back at the most successful Liverpool teams, it is the managers who inherited a squad that fitted into this bracket who fared the best. Souness was the first to suffer, inheriting a squad, at the end of Dalglish's first spell in charge, with an average age of 32 to 33. Souness never bought well and it was downhill from here.

The Souness era left Roy Evans with an even bigger problem. Evans put together a young team who had no fear but also no experience of winning anything. They played great football and came as close to any side since 1991 to winning the league, had they succeeded Roy might still be at Anfield now. Gerrard Houllier then changed everything about Liverpool, he made them more defensive and spent big money on new signings. Despite great success, most of these singings fell in value during their time at the club, leaving Rafa Benitez with another rebuilding job.

Under Benitez, Liverpool achieved success too quickly and expectations after this were out of line with reality. Following the Champions League win in 2005, Liverpool were expected to go on and win the title. Quality cup sides don't necessarily fare too well in the league and Rafa could not deliver a squad with the required quality in depth to secure the holy grail of the league title. Roy Hodgson had a limited budget at a time when the owners were looking to sell the club and they were shipping out quality and shipping in cheap players to shore up the squad. Dalglish then faced a massive rebuilding job and bought young talent, in line with the plan the owners had in place.

This investment, under Dalglish, will remain a debatable point, with many fans still arguing he should have been given one more season and that the team were not far away. Regardless of how we all fell, it remains a fact that Liverpool finished eight in the league but were in the top five in terms of transfer fees under Dalglish. Following that latest transitional period, Brendan Rodgers is now attempting to radically change the recent Liverpool philosophy by introducing patient, possession play, and not quick counter attacking football.

The clear evidence is that all of this takes time. This case is made even stronger when we consider the average age of the team Brendan Rodgers assembled to take on Arsenal - somewhere between 22 and 23 years of age. In his first spell, taking over from Joe Fagan, Kenny Dalglish had inherited a squad at the peak of its performance - between 27 and 29. It is perhaps no wonder Kenny went on to win the double in his first season. Rodgers, on the other hand, has a monumental challenge on his hands, having inherited years of failed investments he now has to turn around the cruise liner that is Liverpool football club. Like his football style, success will come with patience. The media will try and drain this patience from fans, with stories of unrest from within and senior players struggling to adapt. The truth is that everyone at Liverpool football Club, from Melwood to Anfield and to Boston, will be working hard, and patiently, to undo the years of decline and prove the doubters wrong.

Top quality post.

Great post and history does seem to repeat itself, lets just hope stoke don't start claiming to be normans, they alrealdy do the fighting well enough!

Lil Red

Well, i thought all the sensible lfc fans have all gone into hybination!
well said, i was agreeing and nodding to everything as i read.
jim

When was the last time we signed a player that improved his game, other thanTorres I'm struggling? Is it any wonder players can't cope with playing for Liverpool with all of this pressure?
Let's not hide from our situation but it's only 3 games and we know there is better to come. Just my 2 cents.

Couldn't agree more

Skrtel has improved his game, so has Johnson to a degree, Lucas has definitely improved his game, Shelvey has improved his game and in time I'm sure Allen will improve his game.

Red Raw

Thank you so much for putting into words what i wanted to say but didnt no how.Look make no mistake it WILL be tough and not easy but BR will get us there..Fantastic,Amazing post...YNWA!!

I think we have to firstly consider the media... yeap even this site (sorry Ed's); we have people looking at one game and wanting the manager sacked, a bad game means a bad player, etc... etc...

Conor Wickam for £8.5m was a player missed last year, we were wrong to buy him...... ok he scored twice 2night - but he might go on loan to a championship team... £8.5m on loan....

In terms of games... let us forget West Brom, performed well against Man City and deserved the win.. Arenal - new tactics playing passing football against the leagues best... no shame in a loss and we werent that far behind.

Now - "under benitez" liverpool achieved sucess too quickly - rubbish sorry. I love Rafa he done so much good for this club in terms of revolution and the academy... but we was No1 in Europe based upon our results in Europe - but we won little else during that time. he was a master tactician but he also spent a lot of money (I'm not saying thats wrong, he had good and bad buys but he was trying to get the next best thing and get them to play to be champions - it didnt happen and he will be cruxified for his turn over of players).

But to get the players we paid the wages.... hence the problem now when we are not in the champions league. therefore the budget is so and you cut your cloth accordingly...

So here goes it.. I think Rodgers style of play is good - it will work given the time. However it will take time, but has anyone seen this many first teamers (bought when they were 15-17 or youth team players) in the 1st team set-up in recent years?

I hate we didnt buy another striker - i think we shot ourself in the foot - but do we want another player sold for a loss in a years time?

We want success - do we deserve it? No1 deserves it unless they compete - we will compete just maybe not in the timeframe we all want.

Keep the faith, look at the team, look whats coming through, couple of additions each year or more if some1 sold - success will come one way or another and if it doesn't we will progress and be successful.

Hoola

10 Sep 2012 17:12:17
Just read that some Turkish kid won a Turkish style footballs next star to join Liverpool for a year? Is that a joke or is it true?
Tommy.

It's true and it could be a good idea every footballer in turkey applies like x-factor some are rubbish but some might be great

I bet thats a Turkish delight

Yer, that was Ayres idea for the transfer market!

10 Sep 2012 17:10:06
Blair, they should bring it back! A one week special of pure unadulterated banter. The last man/team standing wins. A reunion if you like! Whats the chances Eds?

The Irish Rover

It wont be much fun without Bob the Red -- we need him back ...
And his stalker Sir Alex

Roy

I think he could be called Sir Bob The Ed, now Roy mate.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

I enjoyed Bob the Red's posts too, anyone know who he is and can they get him back on here.

Ah Sir Alex! Bless him! Always trying to get one over Sir Bob and failing miserably. Lol

The Irish Rover

10 Sep 2012 16:59:40
Been with my grandad most of the day today. He used to go to the games when it was the standing Kop.

Ovbiously back then, The Kop was packed up of 30,000 people, i asked the question.

"Grandad, how did you get a bovril and a meat pie at half time?"

Grandad then replies

"Meat Pie and Bovril? It wasnt The Ritz! This was The Kop your talking about. It was like being in the sea. When we scored it would feel like a tsunami crashed over you. Even when still, you could feel yourself gently moving from side to side with the motion of the crowd. There was no time for Puds and bevvies, you couldnt hear yourself think 'alf the time. You'd go past hungry Sam, until the next morning sometimes. You didnt even have the commodity of going to a toilet, the person infronts pocket would do just fine. Id have a winner on the horses, then cash it in a soggy heap. It was all part of being a Liverpool fan, and a football fan in general.."

He went on for abit bless him but i thought id share that little peice with you all!

Sam Adzii jft96

I stood there through the 80's and me grandad since before it had the roof. Me dad always on the Anny road. Only people I ever heard off p*ssing was from blue noses. They used to reckon it was done down a rolled up paper.

It used to be boss to hear old grandad stories of Albert stubbins, Elisha scott, etc.

10 Sep 2012 16:48:43
bye bye Brendan Rodgers

Why ??????????????

UCCM

And why would that be exactly??

If BR has any self esteem left he'll quit

LMFAO ! BS, BR is the best we can hope for,TBH i think we were lucky to get him.
JamieMK9

10 Sep 2012 16:37:17
Nice 1 mate

Muggitzo {Ed001's Note - sorry, I literally can't keep up with all the questions these days.}
---------------------------------
I'll answer some of the questions for you Ed001 mate on 3 conditions.

1) I get 2k a week (value for money)

2) I get an annual signed photograph of Ed002.

3) Ed007 has to run naked across the Anfield pitch. With a Liverpool/Rangers scarf on, at our home game with United.

Deal or no deal?

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Blair, could I join ed7. I would love to show my Manchester united with a red " x " over it tattoo?
AnfieldUSA

10 Sep 2012 16:14:41
I see people crying over Rafa not being approached by FSG! Are these the same people who are crying over Xabi Alonso? Alonso couldn't bear the arrogance of Rafa who sat him on the bench for a whole year because he decided to be present at the birth of his son??? Or are they the ones who are overjoyed about the way Rafa replaced him by spending £20m on Aquillani which proved to be the shrewdest bit of business ever made. SLODGE

Slodge i bet youre one of the fans who wanted rafa out hows that worked?
soul man

In Alonso's last year he was awesome, but the two years before that he was pretty average.

I don't remember Alonso being kept on the bench for a year - anyone else?

Alonso was NEVER average.

BthekingB {Ed052's Note - He has just got better and better. One of the best CDm's in the world now}

Rafa wrecked the club , just like inter milan

If you are still not aware of the fact ,by now, that Rafa was our best manager in the last 20 years with the exception of Kenny/Roy, then something is surely wrong with you...

I agree that often the style of play wasnt the best but Rafa was a credit to the football club and a fantastic human being with genuine love for the club..

He was a great manager
He is a great tactician and a strategeist
Given the money he bought well at high prices (except of course Aquilani)
He was great coach as well

As manager you have to take decisions....If some dont work out, its human to err....No need to smash him for that.....

His achievements are great and he is already a legend as far as Liverpool history is concerned....

And your rant changes none of that....

LiverBird

Benched for a whole year?

First off, that actually didn't happen. Alonso was very occassionally benched in the second half of 2007-08, and started the first two PL matches on the bench in 08-09. Otherwise he was first choice whenever fit for the entireity of his Liverpool career.

Secondly, for all the pro-Alonso chants in pre-season, the summer we were linked with Barry and fell a couple million quid short of buying him, a considerable portion of Liverpool fans approved of the idea. Alonso was 'out of form' the previous season, ostensibly. Had been going downhill since his first season. Most fans quietly backed away from this viewpoint by October of the following season when Alonso was the best player in a team then topping the table.

Fast forward a season and Alonso leaves, and suddenly the same fans who were criticising Alonso's lack of form were now criticising Rafa for even contemplating bringing in Barry in the first place, even though they agreed with the idea at the time. Another year on and we finished 7th, with Aquilani perenially injured, and suddenly those same fans considered Rafa completely incompetent for the idea.

Wouldn't surprise me if few of those same fans then turned tail again and wanted Rafa back when Kenny was sacked.

Hindsight's wonderful, eh?

I bet if Reina regains his mojo, the very concept that he was ever out of form will be erased from the consciousness of some fans, too.

- Something Red -

To the guy that said rafa had wrecked the club just want to point out something!

You know all these young lads coming through are academy to the first team e.g raheem sterling,martin kelly,john flanagan etc. thats because of rafa he re-developed are academy brought in rodolfo borrell to coach the next liverpool generation for me i dont called that wrecked a club hes set us up for the next 15 years at least with fantastic emerging talent and that makes us self surficient.

10 Sep 2012 16:14:00
you can tell by all the disagrees on here that its not only redmen on this page but people who are trying to divide us, dont even entertain them fellow reds just scroll past them, they have made this site very hard reading but just stick together lads and lassies.
YNWA
RB

10 Sep 2012 16:12:29
Kenny... Kenny, Kenny, Kenny... I love you man, you where a superstar for our club, the best Numner7 in world football, but, BUT, this constant sniping at Rodgers has to stop, it's starting to sound like bitterness. So, please, PLEASE, before you tarnish your status as a Legend, give it up already.

Stevie.
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Stevie mate Kenny has got his on opinion after all he has achieve trophys both as player and manager that Rodjers can only dream.don't forget Rodjers haven't achieve anything in footy. Even manager like Wenger hasn't achieve in his 15/18 year carrer what Kenny achieved in his short carrer mate at the same time he is a very proud man

Yeah but its wrong to dig and sound bitter after Kenny as just produced our worst ever PL points total. It's about supporting and helping the club move forward under Rodgers.

Mighty reds

Mighty reds mate at the same time he won trophy for liverpool after 5/6 years where Rodjers already started breaking records worst start for more then 50 years at the same time its only 3 games and you will see how many records Rodgers is going to break with your open eyes mate

Kenny is a great manager but he just brought in very average players that even Mourinho could not do anything with.

We saw what Kenny could do the season before by taking team to near champions league qualification.

Which ever way you look at it we need to move forward under Rodgers. The only way that is going to happen if everybody supports him.

Mighty reds

10 Sep 2012 16:04:26
In the January or next summer transfer window will Sturridge or Walcott remain targets?
Also, is Jack Butland looking an option to cover and compete, or even just to replace Reina.
These are the young British players I think FSG were saying we should buy.

10 Sep 2012 16:02:48
Hillsborough: The Search for Truth. Is on ITV 1 tonight at 11.05 for anyone who didn't know.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Cheers Blair

Sam Adzii jft86

How can you 'disagree' with this? He's stating the time of a TV programme. Some people really are numpties.

Let's hope wed brings the TRUTH for all the families involved.

Mighty reds

10 Sep 2012 15:53:19
Here we go,were gonna fly using this keyboard. Anyhow with it guessing accuratly what you're typing i'll be using this for a while.

10 Sep 2012 15:21:48
Oh yes, i remember it well. Rainfishtrombone, Coyb, Blair and a few more colourful characters. Boy it was insulting, but good fun. Ed002 would have been pulling his last few strands of hair out. Cutting posts left, right and centre. I miss the original 2 page site. Sigh!

The Irish Rover

The good old days, Rover mate.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

I have fond memories of them too.

Mr Benn

10 Sep 2012 15:08:28
If we dont win our next 2 games against Sunderland and United then Rodgers should be sacked. We have already had our worse start to a season in 50 years. Rodgers needs to be brave. Leave out Gerrard, Downing, Henderson, Carragher. But i can honestly see us losing both games. Bye bye Rodgers, He has done nothing but talk a good game which turns out be a lie since he took over. Bring back Rafa. Graham YNWA

Shut up and be patient

Get a grip. Double your meds and go back to bed.

What has he lied about?

Please enlighten me with some examples.

I think he has been bold and brave in what he is doing. We have been floundering for Years and although I enjoyed Rafa but we have moved on.

Rafa had one good season, he was fortunate to have the world best midfield player in Gerrard, the best forward in the league in Torres and a brick wall in Cara for that period.

By the way.... how can you put YNWA after your name when you have slated our manager and players?


GGK

Yeah right, bring back Rafa?

Do you really think Rafa is the answer to getting us back to where we need to be?

04/05 Won CL when majority of Houlliers players were still around and only finished 5th in the League with a squad that qualified for the CL the previous season.

05/06 Won the FA Cup and still most of Houlliers players were in the squad.

What happened after that?

Came close to winning the league in 08/09 but bottled it.

In Rafa's last four seasons he won no major trophies and made a complete balls up of his last season at Anfield.

Over his six year spell at Anfield, is there any indication that Rafa will be able to come back and win the league when he could not do it in six seasons? Rafa always pissed and moaned about money for players (even knowing that he has spent more than any other Liverpool manager before him, and still holds that accolade). He is definitely not going to rule the roost with FSG around either...

FSG and Rafa will be like ice cold water into a pot of boiling oil so you can bet your bottom dollar that Rafa will never manage LFC again and to be honest, it is better that way.

Red4Life

Liverpool played awful against WB. Brilliant against City and better than Arsenal.

SERIOUSLY?? ARE YOU NUTS? I was waiting for the "bring back Rafa" brigade. It's partly his fault we are in this mess! Rodgers is the right man for the job and he will get it right. Just be patient. He hasn't got the players to play the system he wants yet. If we get £17-£18m for Carroll at the end of the season that's a great deal for us. Anyone who watches football surely realises he is worth £10m tops! He was a panic buy. Just think of the strikers we could have got for £35m... It's depressing.. RVP, Aguero, Villa, Cavani, Falcao, Llorente, Higuain.. The list goes on and on.

Harty.

Is Rafa unemployed for a reason?

Mighty reds

This post actually made me laugh yes the west brom was bad but the other 2 came first and third in the league. br put in 4 new players into the team, its a new formation and hes totally changing the way we play and now your saying if we dont beat utd after so many changes he should be sacked. it took fergie many years. im looking foward to what br does for us. this time next your going to be eating your words. maybe then you will realise what a clueless person you are
gaz

Rafa would bring the best out of carrol, like crouch, its no doubt he would make carrol a goal scoring mashine, and a surprise goal creating opurtinitis the way crouch useto do it, and by the way carrol provide long passing header better than crouch straight on the player feet, and wot did rodger does he lets him go garantyless buyin a goal scorer, and this ia how end up.

Bring back RAFA BENITEZ

Much as I loved Rafa, and wouldn't even have minded him coming back, he's not our manager - Rodgers is. Frankly, calling for anyone else right now is just embarrassing.

Yes. Let's sack Rodgers and bring in Rafa.

And then when Rafa doesn't have us playing like Barca inside two months either we can sack him and bring in Sami from Leverkusen.

And then we can sack Sami by March or April and go grovel to the King to save us from the relegation fight we've put ourselves in by sacking three managers.

Then it might be Carra's turn by the time we sack Kenny for a second time...

Rodgers needs TIME.

- Something Red -

10 Sep 2012 14:34:20
Hope all fans have watched the 2 part 45 min brendan rodgers interview on youtube redmentv. all i can say is the man is a class act and im the most positive ive been as a red for years, please have patience and see the bigger picture, just hope he gets the backing from the fans and the owner to implement plans. "death by football" yes please!!

I have. Absolute must see for any fan.

Brendan's middle finger

Thx for that ...awesome stuff ...this has given me hope ......proud to have a manager with so much integrity ,respect, passion and knowledge....lets be patient !!

10 Sep 2012 14:33:50
I'm fed up of reading all these pessimistic posts. BR has had 3 league matches, and I agree the results haven't been great but there's definitely positives there.
Rodgers needs time to bed his philosophy into the players. Now the first 3 games, especially the City game, there's been glimpses of what's to come. I think patience is the key to success under rodgers .

My second point is about the owners. Now under kk, they overspent big time and invested a crazy amount on British players - who one year later we are trying to get rid of. In buying those players, they put faith and money into the hands of Camolli and Dalglish. Both of these names are huge in the football world do who blames them for the year after being extremely cautious about their money. In regards to the stadium then I agree they've wasted far too much time on that.

To finish, I think we need to urge patience , I whole heartedly believe that BR is the right man to take our club back to the glory days. But Rome wasn't built in a day.


Eds great site, you do a smashing job!

10 Sep 2012 14:27:46
Everyone got it wrong..it is rodgers fault not fsg why did he insist on dempsey like he didnt know what the owners wanted..he caused everything for not going after other targets before the window closed

Because dempsey would of done a job for now,100% player,would of give his all,thats all you can ask for,no big time charlies

10 Sep 2012 13:57:58
just to let you know,red sox av only won 1 of there last 10 games

So what!?

Maybe put that on the Red Sox Banter site!

Is that the Lierpool Red Sox?

Who cares what the red sox are doing..... Another pathetic attemp to get people to go against the owners...... Get a life

Who cares? The red sox are not Liverpool..... Another pathetic comment by our growing number of pathetic fans

And we need to know this because?

And if they're lucky, they'll win one more before the end of the season. What's the point?

10 Sep 2012 13:52:22
I can't believe our Raheem is with that shower which is England.

DaveyBootle

They have only called him up so that he wont play for Jamaica. He will probably get 2 minutes at the end and wont be seen again for England for years. Selfish decision by Hodgson and the FA.

This is just England trying to stop him playing for Jamica.England made a mistake not choosing Giggs as a 17 year old and looks like any decent talent gets capped early.Personally would prefer if he did not go yet as this could stunt his growth

Giggs could never have played for England. Welsh parents and grandparents. Wales only.

Nick

Good point. Still, its a boost for the lads ego which may haunt us.

DaveyBootle

Giggs played for England at youth level. Could have played through being in school system for 5 years.

Not 100% sure but I though Giggs mother was English

Puzzled

10 Sep 2012 13:45:24
I remember when i first started using this site Ed001 or Ed's note as it was answered every post, There wasn't even Club pages just Football Rumours & Football Banter, Now it seems getting a reply from Ed001 (Ed's note) is a bit of a treat lol

But congrats to Ed001 for building this site up to be the best on the web you must be proud of your creation.

And well done to all the readers/posters for staying loyal to this site and allowing the eds to make it what it is.

Much love to all the Eds and fellow reds (even the one's i sometimes slightly insult)

Cheer up guys/gals even when things arn't going well we still got each other :)

UCCM

Nice 1 mate

Muggitzo {Ed001's Note - sorry, I literally can't keep up with all the questions these days.}

10 Sep 2012 13:33:42
Ed sterling called up to full squad. so much for BR s chat with Trevor Brooking about leaving him with the U19s. Ed i'm starting to believe Rodgers is full of sh1te because he says one thing and something else happens. I don't think Sterling needs this now he should have been left with the 19s. What ye think?

Frog {Ed002's Note - It will be good experience for him to spend some time with the senior squad. I would doubt he will be used.}

How much influence do you think BR has with the FA?

He can only recommend what he feels is right for the player, if you have got to blame someone blame Brooking or Hodgson for not taking the advice.

Maybe another conversation has taken place and it is agreed he will only train and will not play a part in the game.

Sounds strange for England but it looks like Roy might be thinking long term and using Sterling in Brazil.

GGK

He'll be thrown on in desperation with England a goal down with 10 to go.

Ash

Jamaica manager came out and said they wanted Sterling, which basically called FA and Hodgson's hand. They want him capped and playing for England in brazil.

Blame anyone, blame the Jamaican manager.

SpudRed

10 Sep 2012 13:30:29
I think your being optimistic , i think we will be in a relegation scrap this year , tbh i will be happy if we stay up , we cant score goals , its all FSGs fault
FSG have made a massive mistake in the tranfer window , {Ed002's Note - You seriously think not buying Dempsey would have such an impact on the club?}
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Ed2 mate our season wasn`t hinge on Dempesy but for sure was hinge on a 25+goal striker. When KD was our manager every one including some eds were saying we needed 25+goal striker to challenge top4 but FSG have done massive eror and I mean massive eror in short our seasson is over before even started.fell sry for Rodjers they realy let him down

{Ed002's Note - Rodgers wanted Dempsey and that was screwed up. Rodgers new the constraints when he took the job.}

We miss a striker . and dempsy is one of our target. FSG even post in their web site that Liverpool bought Dempsy .

10 Sep 2012 13:24:56
Sterling in England squad for tomorrow night against Ukraine.

Jungle Clown

10 Sep 2012 13:17:55
personally i feel br will further drag us down the already downward spiral he is withdoubt a good talker but im afraid hes way out of his depth it will begin to show by christmas time when we will be languishing mid table i can see it happening the reasons are this his philosophy of tika taka wont work at Liverpool we dont have the players to fit in that system + fsg wont invest in these kind of players because of last sesasons poor signings + their overhaul of balancing the books and thier focus is on re developing anfield.br appointment is a gamble echoed by numerous lfc legends like lawerenson hansen nicol collymore etc i for one wanted rafa benitez back yes he had that poor seasons when we finished 7th but that was h&g quagmire time when they got found out!rafa style of play is like mourinho tight solid defence compact team diamond formation fast attackin play and counter attacking this philosophy brought lfc champions league sucess and nearly winning the title in 09 this philosophy has brought morinhuno sucess it aint pretty but its sucesfull this tika taka only barca can pull it off! the owners are better than the previous owners by a long distance they have thier flaws and if the rectify some of the issues it will bode will for lfc.if br doesn't work out then rafa should be appointed hes the man that will get us back in champions league football he made good signings and bad signings but when he had the money he bought top quality players.rafa return i await with hope! i continue to support lfc til death do us part i love lfc for life ynwa

Stan Collymore is not a Liverpool legend. He gave us a good two years, I don't want to seem ungrateful, but his attitude was notoriously bad. Read Carragher's autobiography.

Implementing a new strategy will take time. Shankly and Whisky nose took a good few years to get their teams performing. I'm not saying Rodgers will be at that level, but I certainly don't think anyone can rule out that prospect without time.

FFP will come in sooner or later, and whilst there are concerns about the teeth of it, the minimum impact it will have will be on the confidence of bond investors - restricting availability and/or increasing the coupon to a less sustainable level. That's when teams who are essentially borrowing aginst future success (Man Utd, Real Madrid, Barcelona to name a few) will start to feel the strain. Once those high profile clubs feel the strain the pressure really will be on UEFA to rein in the Sheikhs and Oligarchs too. That's when the principles of FSG will yield success.... Not next week.

Let's review where we are at the end of the season. A lack of expectation and a necessity as a result of the striker shortage will allow more youngsters to play and we can see some of the really exciting talent.

Patience and Faith.

Stevo Mac

As supporters all we can do it get behind the team, owners and manager.

I understand people have concerns but to say the owners haven't backed the manager is just not true.

We have spent over £30m this transfer window and would have spent more if we could have moved on Carrol, Cole and if rumours are to be believed Downing and Henderson. The fact that we couldn't move these players on is not the fault of the owners or BR.

If we could have moved these players on we would have bought players to fit the system, like the manger says it will take a few transfer windows to get the right mix of players. If we bought another 3 players of the quality of Joe A we would be flying.

We are also forgetting we are making a judgment on 3 games, within these games there has been some fantastic play so the signs are there that things will improve. The last thing the players and manager need it to feel the negativity from the supporters; they stand a better chance of succeeding with us all behind them!

In reference to "we do not have the players" do you think Swansea had a more gifted squad than us last year?

The answer is they didn't but they had a togetherness, a will to win and a belief in what they we doing, if our squad had that last year we would have won the FA cup and just maybe pushed for top 4 and Kenny would probably still be in charge!

GGK

Glad to see fans have given Brendan a massive 3 games to sort out the mess that Kenny left us in. Brilliant.

Afraid I'm still laughing at the words legend and Collymore in the same sentence

Puzzled

10 Sep 2012 13:01:00
Guys I do support LFC and if we played Sunday League I would be there but I wouldnt be gratefull or servile to those who put us there.

I am not blaming FSG for our decline as a big European club but I am pointing out they have no way to restore us.
Based on their strategy and the muddled way they have ran the club over the past 18 months.

Their greatest achievment will remain saving us from administration.

As far a recovery we are falling behind fast.
Also the acadamey is good but not the saviour alone and many of these kids will not be loyal when a bigger club comes circling.

We are now loaning in players and shifting squad players out with no replacements, so we will in no way compete with Real Barca Utd Chelsea or City the way we used to.

Save my post I want to be wrong! Save my post and humiliate me when we return to the Champions League! Serve up a massive portion of humble pie and make me eat it and my hat!

The facts as I see them is we simply cannot compete, not based on 3 games but based on what the owners can commit and the ability of management and squad.

If we can get top 4 then so can Sunderland, Villa , Fulham, Everton or Swansea. THEY ARE OUR NEW LEVEL.

Worried Red

So many persons. Take a look at our team and tell me that at least 70% of our first team would not walk straight into any of those...

ChrisMiz

There are always going to be players leaving for more money. look at our top players over the last few years. macherano and torres did this but what about the rest. alonso would still be with us if he wasnt treated so badly by rafa. agger wanted to stay rather than go to city or barca. gerrard turned down chelsea. suarez turned down juventus and signed a new deal. reina turned down arsenal. sterling could of probably moved to spurs but didnt. even some of the clubs you mentioned have the same problem. man utd with ronaldo spurs with modric tevez at one point didnt want to be at city ronaldo now not happy at real and arsenal with van persie and frabegas. if a player loves a club and wants to play for them like alot of the younsters claim to then they will stay.
gaz

Yes the owners greatest achievement is saving the club from administration, there wasn't anyone else good enough to take over......FSG saved us and have a good plan to get us where we need to be, back at the top, so take your blinkers everyone who hates them and get a grip...... We would be in administration if it wasn't for the owners, if u need reminding what administration does to you...... LOOK AT PORTSMOUTH and RANGERS....... Things could be a hell of a lot worse ....... If u don't like it then GO AND SUPPORT SOMEONE ELSE ..... Rant over from a cheesed off Liverpool fan at our so called great support.....

Andy

Well said Andy lad

10 Sep 2012 13:00:09
Not transfer related. But do any off the Edds knw where we stand with the redevelopment of anfield or a new stadium. An if we where to go ahead with new stadium do u think we will have a new design. As I liked the 1 they designed with a larger kop. (not hicks an gilletes plan. I mean Afl's new generation anfield design).
Thank for any answer in advance lads. Great site. {Ed002's Note - Try the search function please.}

That afl design is that not the 1 that was scraped?

majestic69

10 Sep 2012 12:52:41
I'm worried about this divide with the Liverpool fans at the moment, we shouldn't be like this everyone

One set of fans support the owners and Rodgers

The others want the owners and rodgers out

Why are we all behaving like this? We all need to get a grip and give what we have always given and that's give the team our full support no matter what's happening behind the scenes or on the football field

Yes this is a call to every liverpool fan to stop all the petty bickering and say we can all agree to disagree but what's most important is giving the team our full support

Remember everyone..... Unity is strength

Andy kirk
Chorley

A divide of People who support the club what ever good or bad times.
Then the others who are glory hunters.
Who are only interested in Instant glory
Even if the club can't afford it. That
Have no grasp of the fact football is
a business aswell as a sport

Lyndon

What about supports BR, not convinced by FSG?

Nick

Yes there is adivide only because we were promised this & that & as alsways end up with **** all put it this way if we have loads of chances at sunderland & lose ,our next game is united & that will be the same have loads achances & waste them & then make mistakes & theyll win.after that there wont be adivide..i believe rodgers is the wright man its the owners,theyll let him down again in jan,& well be so far down the table itll be shocking ,,the owners just short of putting a for sale sign up out side anfield

Lyndon just because you can make presumptions it does not make you right

10 Sep 2012 12:50:22
A question for the Eds which I hope you will publish.
Are their professional Trolls who go onto site of other teams just to stir things up?
It is clear to me many of the negative comments ate from Trolls.
I have also noted that when a positive comment is posted very quickly someone has pressed the disagree button.
Is it possible to highlight them (IP address) and filter them out. It is getting a bit boring.... {Ed002's Note - We will cut the negative posts from fans of other clubs where we can but obviously some will get through. The mass of negative are from Liverpool fans I am sorry to say.}

10 Sep 2012 12:28:47
Personally, I would have kept Charlie. Yeah I know he was a bit slow, but I think he is class. Just watched a few videos on youtube of him, he's an underrated player..trust me. 4m was a real bargain for Stoke. Sad to see him go. Hope we can get better as the season proceeds, Sahin didn't look much faster than him anyway, he was an authentic ghost on his first appearance at anfield. Not happy at all of the management. Good luck lads.

A true Red from Italy. YNWA

It was Sahin's first game who hasn't had a proper pre season.

In what part of Italy are you based .......

10 Sep 2012 12:27:31
Maybe we should concentrate on our academy for a new GK who can compete with Pepe. Remember Dudek and glassman? Kirkland was good, but hes seemed to be made of glasss.

Kirkland was hardly a youth product, cost us something like £6.5m from Coventry, same day as we signed Dudek.

10 Sep 2012 12:27:09
quote from rafa: "People were talking about 'the past', but just a few years ago Liverpool FC was No.1 in Europe."

What has happened to us?!

john

We are still trying to fix the mess caused by the 2 muppets Hicks and Gilette.

FSG happened

No money, no guts = No Glory

Not to mention the mess that FSG are causing. Their latest brainwave of a committee to decide on transfers and policy, including the style of play the team will adopt, is not only undermining the job of a Manager who they are starving of funds, but will take us down a road to ruin.

redmersey

The mess strat with Tom & Jerry. and FSG continue it. it's a mistake to replace Rafa. The money we use after Rafa gone if Rafa get that much amount togather then Silva, mata is our player today. Agger, Skartel , Lucas , Shalvy, Raheem all of them is Rafa's Buy. {Ed001's Note - the mess was made by Moores, not H&G, they tried to fix it but ran out of money and ended up making it worse because of that. The mess is entirely one David Moores doing, he was the one taking the cash for sitting on his fat arse ensuring the club fell behind the rest. He was the one refusing to put in any kind of investment to the club for a stadium, at a time when it could have been easily paid for. He was the one meddling in team affairs and buying players like Collymore when he was asked to find the funds for the club to buy a defender. Moores broke our club, no one else. Then he cried crocodile tears while pocketing millions from the sale of it.}

Spot on Ed 1. Moores is well named, more for him and f,,k everyone else.

Agree with the post mess start with moore and continue with Tom and jerry. FSG didnt show up good so far

10 Sep 2012 12:23:49
I can't help but think that our iverpaid players that are underachiving will be sold either by jan or next summer if they don't buck up their performance. (players like Reina..... ) And replaced by younger players.

10 Sep 2012 11:54:15
Liverpool will finish higher than they did last season!!!!!

Stop fu**ing moaning

RedLee

LOL . . . is that a guarantee?

Of course its not a guarntee, he can't see into the future. I think we will finish 5th.

What do you base you certainty on that we will finish higher than last year?

We have 1 point from 9 and are in 18th place with no striker to back up Suarez if he gets injured, disciplined or loses form and don't say Borini he won't set the scoring charts on fire any time soon

10 Sep 2012 10:43:33
To those saying we are laying the foundations of future success I dont see it.
We have been in steady decline for 20 years and the present owners may have the right intentions but dont have the strategy( read Brian Reades article). Rodgers is a good man but way out of his depth. And we have been told we cant have a £35m squad player well BARCA, REAL, CITY all can. So I would say we have as much right to expect and chance to achieve success as Toon or Sunderland.

Utd City Arsenal and even Spurs are just in a different league.

Success in modern football is just a money pit,there are very few clubs that can do what Dortmund do and they opperate in a different environment.

Look at the decisions FSG have made, mistake after mistake but yet we are told they will be clever in the transfer market! Their PR machine is a joke.

So tell me why we should believe they will get us back to the top? Dont tell me about paying down the debt, thats great, but tell me how these US owners who do not understand football are gonna achieve the now nearly impossible of making LFC great again?

Worried Red

You should have signed off as "scaremonger"!

LOL at worried (clueless) red

UCCM

You start off saying that we have been in a steady decline for 20 years, but then lay the blame on FSG who have only owned the club for not even 2 years... I, for one, believe we have a much stronger and more youthful squaf that is capable of challenging for years to come. However, you seem to be one of those fans who believe we should sacrifice the long-term financial stability of the club just so we can win NOW. The fact of the matter is treat we are in a stronger position than we were when FSG took over, but because we are not giving you the instant gratification you want, you are throwing a fit... Quit moaning like a child, pick up your toys that you've thrown out of your pram, and take a nap... When you wake up you'll find us being the team that others are emulating because we planned for long term success...
It will happen... Keep the faith.
YNWA USA

I read the 1st line and that was enough get a grip and back your team.

To the OP you are right.

But influential people here on this site don't like the natives understanding the way it is they prefer a popular spin as its easier to control the masses then.

The only error in your post was that you forgot Chelsea.

LFC under the current regime will not fight for top 4 regularly the academy won't be the savior of LFC.

Thnink about it if players like Sterling succeed at LFC on say 60k a week what are they going to do when the sheik offers them 200k a week?

Loyalty in football is mostly gone we have two loyal servents in Carra and Stevie and 90% of the posts that reference these two great players want both consigned to history.

Dan Ryan

If you cant see it try watchin the reserves. there are loads of lads in there who could end up being top players. add them to sterling, lucas, suarez, coats, kelly, allen, borini and shelvey who are all still very young. theres a few of them that could be worth 35m in a couple of years so why spend that type of money when we already have a number of young lads who could be top class players in 1 or 2 years for some. for me theres no team in the pl who have had such a top group of youmgsters since man utd just over 20 years ago

gaz

"Spoilt child" might be more fitting!

Maybe if we did get relegated we would end up with true supporters who will follow the club through thick and thin.

There is no miracle cure here, you either throw stupid amounts of money at a club to bring success or you take a slower more sustainable approach.

I find these mulit billionaire owners obscene and immoral...there are people starving in this world (even in our own country) and they think nothing of throwing £30m at a player to sit on the bench.

I would not like to see one of these people at our club; I am sure others will feel different and want success at any cost!

Cheer up buddy, we'll be ok

Dortmund did it at the right time, now any one good shows up they get bought instantly

Dan Ryan might be on to something Eds. I found a Malcolm X quote (from before Liverpool rumours page even started...)

The Eds are the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses. Ed001 is the spiritual leader of this entity, and Ed002 the enforcer.�

I'm a bit worried now. Ed002?

BigBadBen {Ed002's Note - It is an unusual thing to see a student of the works of Malcolm X here. I can just about recall his assassination.}

And Ed209 controlled the gates ;)

10 Sep 2012 10:27:29
I don't for one second believe that we'll be in a relegation scrap. That said, though, I see us hovering between 11th-14th at the turn of the year.
And depending what happens in January, we could eventually settle on 10th.

We in transtion. Massive changes are being made and it will be some time before it all clicks. The same could be said for Spurs. They gonna struggle through matches a lot. But what could work in their favour is the fact that they have fairly consistent forwards who can goals for them, as well as good goalscoring mids like Dembele and Dempsey.
So albeit faced with similar difficulties to us, they'll pick a great deal more points than us.

We simply don't have goals in us, plain. City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle, Everton, Swansea, Fulham, West Brom, Spurs and Sunderland all have more in them.

Moreover our defence is a huge cause for alarm. Even though we could scarcely score goals last season, one thing we had going for us was our solid defence. It ensure that we could at the very least come out with a point.

Now neither defence nor attack is any good. We uncharacteristically leaky and shaky at the back and typically blunt and misfiring at the opposite end.
Inability to neither defend nor score goals can only be a recipe for disaster. These are ingredients common in teams in a relegation scrap.

Look, as I said earlier, we likely to eventually come good in terms of the play, no doubt. But after how much damage? Double-digits defeats?
Even if the new system eventually does start having substantive effect, we will still need somebody to put the ball in the net.

So I find it astounding that people so arrogantly dismiss any notion of LFC being in a prolonged scrap at the bottom at some or other stage of the season.
All it would take for that to happen is a continuation of what we are seeing now: shaky and leaky defence, Suarez going on bumbling and Borini continiuing being the unproven forward he is.

Imo, I realistically expert us to finish 8th. Anything higher, under the circumstances, we would have done very , very well.
With a good striker January, outside chance of 6th defo would be there.

Tannie Umega

So what is it 6th, 8th or 10th, what if you sign another defender, could be 4th, 7th or 19th.
Loop van winklepickers

I think quite a fair assessment unfortunately.

I don't see this mate. After only three games You seem to have mad a judgement. I believe Liverpool have the potential to finish in the top six in a year of deep transition. We have some of the best young players around today, jonjo, Raheem, joe Allen, Suso and many more.ni know we need more up front but we still have Suarez and Borini who I believe will click eventually. It's stupid to make sweeping remarks like we will finish 14th. it's too easy mate to say those things. I believe we will sooner or later have a really good run this year because of the sheer talent we have. GT

Sunderland? Goal scorers?

10 Sep 2012 09:31:34
Swap Walcott for Sterling? Would be brain damaged by Liverpool! I would loose the rest of my respect for BR and FSG

What is the point of typing that. There is absolutely no chance of that happening, so why waste your time?

Where do these twitter rumors even originate!?

McSnuggles

Because rumours says so. Comment number two. Don't make me look stupid by no reason. LOL

Someone just make em up. Twitter really is the last place you'd pick up a rumour of any substance. Anyone who use's it for that reason must be truly off they're head.
JohnnyBoy

10 Sep 2012 09:22:17
Remember when Torres signed for Chelsea and promised the fans he'd help them win the CL.

Well last season he did...........By staying out the way lol

UCCM

Still won it though, and the FA Cup. You won the League cup, on pens, against a Championship Team. Nuff Said. He made the right choice.

P.S. You really need to get over it.

OsgoodIsKing

LOL 50 million for him haha IM OVER IT, We all are, Yes he made the right choice............. For Liverpool.

Seriously these Chelsea fans really do hold them selves too high up on a pedastal.

You really think 1 billionair makes you bigger than 18 league tittles 5 CL cups and Numerous FA and League cups.

You was NOTHING before money, EVERYONE needed money to compete with Liverpool, We were just better at everything than anyone else.

Roman will never build your club to be great like SHANKLY did.

P.S is osgood an ex player, Pardon my asking if he is just never heard of any Chelsea "legends" funnily enough.

UCCM

You won them both in spite of Torres, not because of him.

Please,please and please again stick to your own site Christ why does every other teams tits come on our site oh yes there still afraid of us.YNWA.

It shows you how bad that Chelsea used to be, that they think an average player like Peter Osgood is a legend.

More then £200m use last a year then win it.

10 Sep 2012 07:27:25
Sorry to be negative, but with the way the club is being run I would like to make a prediction that you can all hold me to. If I am proven wrong I will post I AM A TROLL 100 times at the end of the season and I will be glad to do it.

My prediction:
LFC to finish lower than 8th in the league
lLFC to not win any trophy this year.

In the long term I feel we will not win the league or get close under FSG but rather slip further back.

Worried Red

What's your prediction based on? 3 games? 2 against man c and arsenal? Okay then thank you for that lovely prediction

I think your being optimistic , i think we will be in a relegation scrap this year , tbh i will be happy if we stay up , we cant score goals , its all FSGs fault
FSG have made a massive mistake in the tranfer window , {Ed002's Note - You seriously think not buying Dempsey would have such an impact on the club?}

So what?
I will support the best football club in the world.
I think most understand the intubation and see the bigger picture. This season may not be the best we have had, but he foundations are being laid for a successful future and we should support that.
Our opponents (Bitter Blues and Mancs) know that and fear us. That's why we have so many Trolls on our site with extreme negative comments
SUPPORT YOUR TEAM!

LOL Relegation scrap?? That made me laugh out loud.

Mike S

I agree mate. We have a lot of talented footballers who will click eventually. I can see this season being the making of this club for years to come and it's exciting to see a radical surgical procedure being performed on the whole squad. After a recovery period, I think we will be in the best shape we have been since the eighties. GT

I wish I had your life if all you have to worry about is if LFC finish in the top 8 and win a trophy.
Get a grip will you, it's a game played by overpaid scrotes who haven't got a brain cell between them but get more in a week than most nurses or teachers get in 4 years.

10 Sep 2012 02:36:43
Rumours on FB that FSG have gotten rid of some big name players at the Red Sox and are possibly planning the same at Anfield. Any news Eds. great job by the way guys {Ed002's Note - The transfer window is closed.}

Red Sox have their own unique challenges - some of which are similar to ours (wage bill!), but action in one area doesn't mean it will happen in the other!

I have just been in Boston and went to a baseball game at Fenway the day after their big player trade.

They have had an awful season, and once it was obvious that the would do nothing this year, they chose to trade several of their overpaid, non performing "big" names and replace them with yiounger, cheaper and hungrier players which in the long run should bear fruit. They have kept some of their established names and gained $ large. I heard in excess of $200m.

Better to take action such as this rather than let these guys sit and underperform.
Give them time.

10 Sep 2012 01:08:57
After talkin to the LEGEND Robbie Fowler on the phone!! Not friends with him and don't have anybody that is, just a chance meeting between him and my sister and she got him to ring. CAN'T FKN BELIEVE IT I spoke to God. I don't expect this to get posted I'm just a fiercely excited 30 year old that got to talk to my ultimate hero. Spoke to Steve McMadridbench too but it didn't excite me much. I spoke to FOWLER! Apologies for my childish outburst I'm just buzzin!!

JFT96
YNWA

TAYPOT {Ed007's Note - Fowler told me he hasn't slept since speaking to you. He's surprised anyone remembers him!!!!}

Steve mc won euro medals with real not a bench warmer