Liverpool Banter Archive April 11 2016

 

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11 Apr 2016 22:30:06
I see Zielinski I'd now saying he's actually spoken to us recently, any idea if there's any truth in this?

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

12 Apr 2016 09:34:15
Goodo, seems if his comments are true then we can expect an investigation for tapping up player's.


12 Apr 2016 09:41:36
Yeah, because tapping up players is a rarity in football.

It's how the game works.


{Ed001's Note - are you really this much of a divvy in real life as you are on a keyboard? Grow up.}

12 Apr 2016 13:20:02
To be honest, I would not shed one tear if the club got charged over tapping up players. It just goes to show how inept SOME of the people in charge really are.
If we are guilty then we deserve the punishment and those who are in charge and overseeing the process need to be sacked.

I would be the first to moan if other clubs openly tapped our players up, it's not how the game works and thank goodness for that.


{Ed002's Note - It is the last thing the club want, given they are already facing two UEFA charges which will be heard in May.}

11 Apr 2016 21:37:36
Been pretty busy lately. Can anyone fill me in on why Cafu wasn't in the squad Sunday?

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11 Apr 2016 22:42:01
He'd need a work permit šŸ˜‰.


12 Apr 2016 05:22:39
Flanno has picked up a knock apparently.


11 Apr 2016 20:16:28
evening all question for edds if he has time do we still hold intrest in derbys will hughes or was that 1 of buck Rodgers players also are we looking at any players from the championship or any players above the championship thanks and keep up the good work.

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

11 Apr 2016 23:13:57
So because the paper talk was that we were interested in Hughes. that automatically makes him a buck Rogers player then?


11 Apr 2016 17:34:00
hey ed002 just saw an article with Piotr Zielinski's quotes saying that it is true Klopp is interested in him and he said 'we had some talks'.

Now i know that clubs wouldn't allow another club to speak to their player without permission unless allowed by the club. Have Liverpool approached them, do you know anything on this?

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{Ed002's Note - The player has said he has been approached directly by Klopp and that they have spoken. I understand Udinese have already enquired after a recording of the interview, which is in Polish. Liverpool may need to formally deny what the player has said - as it would be another potential tapping up allegation, and the club really don't need that. Empoli have done nothing but clarified the the situation with the two clubs that have actually approached Udinese about the player.}

11 Apr 2016 18:41:46
Why on earth would we do something like that, do we never learn?


{Ed002's Note - There is nothing to say it is true - simply what the player has said. Udinese are miffed that the player has said this given they have had two formal approaches from other clubs. Whilst they are yet to be convinced that the player is one they want in their team, they do have another option to lend him to Watford for next season - but what they don't want is any disruption caused by anything else. I would think it is them who have asked Empoli to make a statement whilst this is being sorted out.}

11 Apr 2016 20:43:39
Like all clubs don't tap up players, guess the the trick is don't get caught!


{Ed002's Note - Of course - standard thing, make it about someone else. Hopelessly embarrassing.}

11 Apr 2016 18:15:00
Not sure about this transfer. He is a good B2B player which we don't need ATM. I am bit confused with interest in the player as well as wingers.
What are we doing Eds?


12 Apr 2016 01:27:40
Decent player but I really don't see the need for him.


12 Apr 2016 04:25:58
thanks ed002. I certainly hope that is not true though, i mean the tapping up thing.


12 Apr 2016 04:35:37
Agreed with Acered. All this tapping up stuff is nonsense. No need to worry about this we will get him if Klopp truly wants him. Looks like heck of a player too. Our future looks really bright under Klopp. We should all enjoy him while we have and consider ourself lucky we don't have Van Gaal or match fixing manager!


11 Apr 2016 17:30:48
5 players out, 3 players in. 20 million transfer budget (above what is made from sales) . Who would be the 5 out and 3 in?

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11 Apr 2016 17:57:10
The 5 Outs - Bogdan, Skrtel, Illori, Benteke, Balotelli . The 3 Ins - Ter Stegen (to give Mignolet competition), Payet (we badly need a set piece specialist for corners and free kicks) and Lacazette (to replace Benteke) . I've not included LFC players whose contracts are running out this summer, nor paid attention to the money coming in or going out. I've also assumed Grujic and Matip will make it to the first team squad.


11 Apr 2016 18:12:38
Out: Bogdan, Skrtel, Benteke, Balotelli and Allen (he's holding back players like Stewart) . In: Timo Horn, Wendell and Zielinski with what's left over as a squad player.


11 Apr 2016 18:30:51
I guess if you disclude on loan players, players whose contracts are expiring (toure, teixeira, sinclair and Enrique I think) and matip and grujic, 5 out, skrtel, bogdan, benteke, Ilroi, Allen (despite playing better recently) and in a gk, CB/ LB and a winger, but don't knew who!


11 Apr 2016 19:30:03
The 3 in I would like is mario gotze hector and the young st from Newcastle mitovic not sure about the spelling.


11 Apr 2016 19:45:36
I am with ra1969, all three mentioned would make a fine addition to the team, especially with the inevitable Europa games, we need the depth to challenge on all fronts.


11 Apr 2016 19:53:50
Ter stegen - dodgy and overpriced, would just be a slightly better young mignolet. There are more competent keepers out there.

Payet - great player but we aren't getting him. He's old and has found his rhythm with west ham, though i do think a set piece specialist is crucial and is a priority.

Lacazette - we don't even need him and is really expensive and wouldn't come to us. I'd rather keep benteke and persist with him than buy lacazette for the money he'd cost, benteke offers something different and i have great faith in sturridge, origi and ings from what i have seen of them.

The outs are obvious, although mine would include both lallana and milner.

I trust klopp with whoever he brings in. Idon't have to have heard of them, i just trust his judgement and management of players to make astute signings. I'm excited to see what grujic and matip offer to the team.

We need another goalkeeper, that is a dead certainty. There is great value all around the bundesliga and any of them will be better than mignolet, not too fussed who is bought as long as it is done.

Left back, again i don't know much about european full backs but i would trust him to buy one with decent defensive qualities, which means no ricardo rodriguez or any more 'attacking fullbacks'. Hector and gurreiro seem to get thrown about a lot.

Another centre back may be needed if skrtel leaves, but lucas has performed well there and is good for the side as a whole so may be worth making him 4th choice with gomez.

Depending on the role he see's for grujic, another holding midfieler, like zielinski, may be bought, but stewart and lucas are in that positiob so it is unlikely i would have thought.

If we are to get rid of both lallana and milner, we need to buy someone who can take set pieces. We should look no further than calhanoglou.

If markovic doesn't stay and milner and lallana leave, another winger would be a good idea, but we do have canos, ojo, kent, ibe and potentially markovic waiting.

If we do our transfers well i can't see any reason why a title push would be unreasonable next year.


11 Apr 2016 20:19:03
Outs - Bogdan, Benteke, Skrtel, Milner, Allen.

Ins - Begovic, Subotic, Goetze.


11 Apr 2016 21:04:57
it's a pretty random random name but if you want a free kick specialist Clement Grenier out of France. I think he is a holding mid, 25 years old.


11 Apr 2016 21:25:01
Wool back,
You trust Klopp so if he keeps Lalanna and Milner you will obviously be happy.


11 Apr 2016 21:28:43
I think lallana has improved and offered enough to stay as a Squad player.


11 Apr 2016 23:03:33
In Suarez Neymar and Messi

Out Zlatan Muller and Ronaldo.


11 Apr 2016 20:24:42
AW, zielinski Is no holding midfielder but a solid B2B player. I have no idea why are we looking more at Henderson's.


11 Apr 2016 23:40:03
If he keeps them i wouldn't be fuming but i don't love them as players at all and believe it would only be a matter of time before klopp realised we can do much better.


12 Apr 2016 00:56:20
Out : Benteke, Skrtel, Allen, Bogdan, Balotelli

In : Timo Horn, Hector, Lucas Moura.


12 Apr 2016 16:23:59
Anonymous - Why do you feel we would need another Striker, if we were to only bring 3 players in? How would that help the team? Right now that is not solving the problem, just adding to clutter.


11 Apr 2016 17:22:11
Really don't know what game people were watching yesterday if they think Moreno was excellent. Yes, he is lightning quick and can often cause problems for the awful full backs in the premier league but his defending is nothing short of abominable. His goal was well struck but ultimately a mistake by the keeper but honestly, his whole demeanor bothers me- he just doesn't seem bothered by anything. His tackling is reckless and he does absolutely nothing to stop crosses- watch him, he will turn his back every time. I won't even mention how bad Sakho has been made to look at times this season due to Moreno's erratic performances as i fear this is turning into a rant. For the record, i hate when people bash the players for no reason but i just fear unless moreno starts really applying himself he is going to waste the considerable natural talent that he has. Thoughts guys? A wanna-be winger who wasn't skillful enough or a just young, potentially fantastic left back? You decide.

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11 Apr 2016 18:40:44
Out - Benteke, balotelli, skrtel, bogdan and llori . I'd say these are guaranteed to be gone.
In - Gotze, ter Stegan, Toni Kroos.


11 Apr 2016 20:17:17
Ye i agree, moreno is a terrible defender but he does work hard for the team. I think the early goal bought him some grace for the whole game lol speedy guys like him don't have great positional sense because thy have recovery speed. And i definitely agree that there is extra pressure on the CBs to cover his spot altho i think this should be covered by the CMs.


12 Apr 2016 12:37:30
i like Moreno, he gets caught ball watching ad does stupid things but i can't help like his work rate, pace and last game his deliveries were so much better, he actually got them off the ground.

I don't lnow i just like having him at lb. granted he needs some work defensively.


12 Apr 2016 12:37:30
i like Moreno, he gets caught ball watching ad does stupid things but i can't help like his work rate, pace and last game his deliveries were so much better, he actually got them off the ground.

I don't lnow i just like having him at lb. granted he needs some work defensively.


11 Apr 2016 15:32:06
Hey 23carragold just regarding your loan update Balotelli got an assist and played for 77 minutes was surprised to read this report below too:

Mario Balotelli earned a recall to the AC Milan starting XI after his bright cameo last time out, and he marked an influential performance with an assist in a 2-1 loss to Juventus.

Leading the Rossoneri attack alongside Carlos Bacca, the Italy striker was denied firing his side ahead with a free-kick by a stunning save from Gianluigi Buffon ā€“ so moments later, he turned provider instead, delivering a pinpoint corner which was powerfully headed home by Alex.

Carrying the fight for Sinisa Mihajlovicā€™s side, Balotelli was sensationally denied again by Buffon who somehow kept out his close-range effort, before the Italian attempted to bundle home the follow-up with a Maradona-esque ā€˜Hand of Godā€™ disguise which, this time, was spotted.

Though he exited without a goal to his name after 76 minutes, it was a really positive, all-action performance from the Italian.

Then I read this regarding Grujic:

In a strange set of events, there were headlines made for off-pitch reasons this week as Marko Grujic missed two more Red Star Belgrade games due to injury ā€“ which the Serbian reportedly claims has been misdiagnosed and worsened as a result.


Originally thought to be a minor issue, Grujic, by his own admission, ā€œtrained harderā€ which has naturally aggravated the injury and reportedly caused frustration at Anfield due to the mistreatment, which could result in him heading to Merseyside earlier than expected for therapy.


However, Red Star moved to release a statement confirming the midfielder is ā€œrecovering wellā€ and will return to training soon

You have probably seen this buy now but just thought I could update you for once.

Cheers pal.

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11 Apr 2016 16:48:42
Cheers JQ.
Just read the Mario report. I misread the arrows on my APP lol.

I am use to seeing him being subbed on not being brought off so obviously didn't pay close enough attention.

There was an article earlier in the week where the owner of AC said Mario has not done enough so I was following on from that.

Thanks for the update, much appreciated.


{Ed002's Note - The issue with Balotelli is unchanged right now and will be sorted out at the end of the season - I would not rule out staying at Milan.}

11 Apr 2016 13:33:57
Hi eds.

Just seen a rumour that we are chasing Filip kostic of stuttgart, Ā£20m release clause, never seen him so would like to know if the rumours are true and what is your rating of the lad.

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{Ed002's Note - I can confirm that in the summer Liverpool will be buying all German players, all players with Germanic names and all players whose family have owned German Shepherds during the past three generations. Did you try the search engine?}

11 Apr 2016 14:11:05
Btw ed is having a laugh. Great banter eds.


11 Apr 2016 14:53:55
Thanks for clarifying Redman Reus, phew.


11 Apr 2016 18:38:11
Thanks Redman, thanks for pointing that one out. Very observant.


11 Apr 2016 19:14:21
Ed002 does that include players that are dual nationality? What if they are half German half French and chose to play for French national team? Will we still sign them as they are half German? Also is eating Schitzel a minimum requirement?
Just in case, I too am joking!


{Ed002's Note - I don't think you are taking this seriously.}

11 Apr 2016 19:28:29
What about people who own German cars? Surely we are interested in them too?


11 Apr 2016 21:01:41
What about players that have watched Das Boot?


12 Apr 2016 01:01:44
Or sprechen Deutsch? Can I have a contract and a hug please?


12 Apr 2016 01:28:47
What about those people who sell German sausages?


11 Apr 2016 12:20:32
Hey all, only caught the highlights yesterday so won't speak about the game except to say well done and good result.

Instead I want to talk about something involving stats (Ed1, why are you rolling your eyes? ) . I'd like to talk about our strikers but a bit of background first. After I took a bit of flack the last time I mentioned stats I thought I'd try and be a little cleverer so I've tracked Liverpool performance against the players game time. I've come up with a score for each of our players, for league games only, based on how many goals per 90 minutes are scored and conceded for each player, this is then compared to our baseline. The score represents how we've done, as a team, whilst they've been on the pitch. There is variance caused by a number of factors including opposition and team selection but the more minutes played the more accurate this system should become. As an aside our best player (by some distance), who's played at least 900 minutes, is Henderson.

As I said this is actually about strikers and, in particular, Origi. I've called on Klopp to give Benteke another chance but the reality is he's had a negative impact on our season. Despite having an OK scoring record himself we actually score a lot less goals when he's on the pitch and under my system he gets a score of -0.40, the second worst score of any of our players to have played at least 900 minutes. Neither Sturridge or Origi have played 900 minutes in the league yet (they're both on the equivalent of six and a half games) but a pattern is emerging which I find pretty interesting and, after Origi's great week, I thought I'd share. I've been cautious in my praise of Origi, his work rate is excellent but I was concerned he didn't provide enough of a goal threat (until his brace yesterday his strike rate was worse than Benteke's) . Meanwhile, although I've never questioned him, Sturridge has faced significant flack the last few months with a good proportion of fans advocating his sale. I mentioned that Henderson is our stand out player this season, his score under my system is 0.52 (Firmino is second with 0.24), Sturridge has 0.66 and Origi 0.65.

To caveat again the less minutes on the pitch the wider the variance so I hope the scores will be more accurate by the end of the season but as it stands Liverpool have done much better when these guys have played than almost everyone else in the squad. Further more their individual scores (not compared to the team average) are a goal difference per 90 minutes of 0.92 and 0.91, this is important as that is the sort of level Liverpool need to achieve to have a decent run at the title (for context Leicester are about to win the title with an average good of 0.79). I don't know if this means they should play together as, despite having a similar score, they've barely shared the pitch this season but it bodes really well for next season if we can keep these guys fit .

So in conclusion, to all those saying that we should sell Sturridge, our results have been massively better with him on the pitch than without and that's with people worried about his workrate and his happiness, I know his injuries are a worry but I do not think we'll be able to buy better than him so thank god Klopp has been managing his injury so well. As an Origi critic, I need to apologise to the lad, if his impact is so positive when he's not scoring goals imagine if he starts to find the net with any regularity. As for next season, I know you were all excited before, but now there's some stats to back up the hype. No need to thank me ;-)

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11 Apr 2016 12:48:07
Wow. someone has a lot of spare time. Fair play mate.


11 Apr 2016 12:52:09
This was my issue with BR after Suarez was sold in a fairly roundabout way. We didn't get Sanchez to directly replace so we gave up, bought a bunch of tanks who didn't fit in at all and hoped for the best. As Origi showed and Sturridge even though he hasn't got his touch back - we work best when we have someone up their providing threat, working hard and making a mess. Even someone like Shane Long would have been better - will never score enough but their energy provides time, space and opportunity for other players to work in as well helping people like Coutinho score and bettering the team.


11 Apr 2016 12:55:00
What makes me laugh is "benteke doesn't suit our style of play" " he feeds off of balls into the box"

2 headers scored yesterday from 2 crosses into the box.


11 Apr 2016 13:10:36
hem b maybe u should to see what the other strikers offer on the pitch, especially the plays between them, the one touch passes around the box, moving the ball left to right with sturridge and origi themselves moving from left to right during the game.

yes it was a header, bt the game was over 90 minutes. in fact the run sturridge made for ojos cross, just from what I've seen of benteke this season, is not what benteke would do. he'd probably be right on the edge of the box and not where sturridge was at. sturridge and origi offers so much more than benteke does and that is why they are playing.


11 Apr 2016 13:24:59
When everyone was injured and we had to play Origi he wasn't ready, he was too raw.
His improvement, just from me watching the games, has been meteoric. Really impressed with him.


11 Apr 2016 13:28:32
I would question your "scoring" system just for the fact that from what you've said it could literally mean anything. I also would have concerns about the opposition which you mention but I could quickly think of about 30 dummy variables you would probably need to even start to make an attempt to accomplish any correlation.
Interesting none the less and I found your last one interesting also. did you run it through stata or how did you compile it? I would like to have a look at one of these projects of yours and possibly bounce some ideas off you.
I won't criticize as you could well have accounted for everything just the post is too vague for me and I would love to really have a look through it!
Nice work anyway mate and keep it up :)


11 Apr 2016 13:39:03
Kaiser I'm just saying it's ironic that's it.


11 Apr 2016 14:12:46
I mean i appreciate the effort to contribute to the site but i personally just do not like stats at all. Even goals and assists don't mean anything without scouting and actually watching how a player effects games.

Yout conclusion is correct though. We play much better with sturridge and recently origi has stepped up as well. We would play well with benteke if he could be bothered.

I just feel its best to watch games and players and come to your own conclusions, rather than using stats without context to make arguments.


11 Apr 2016 14:16:26
Topboy, I think I have mild case of OCD, I get a thought in my head and I can't get it out till I do the sums. It took me a couple of hours to put a spreadsheet together one evening, now it just takes a few minutes after each match to update it.

Shane, my method is pretty simple and, as you rightly point out, there are a million variables, all I've done is work out how many goals, both for and against, have been scored whilst each individual player is on the pitch and then converted that into a / 90 minutes figure. My claim is that the score represents how well Liverpool have played whilst that individual is on the pitch and I'm suggesting there's a correlation between that and how well the players are performing. The results can be massively skewed by individual instances but I'm hoping the longer I track it the more accurate it will become. Having said that there is a decent correlation between who you'd expect to be doing decently or badly and the score my system gives.


{Ed001's Note - the problem is, as every data scientist worth their salt will tell you, the figures are too small for accurate data to be collected. With sports such as basketball, it is much easier to track, as you have so many more points being scored, anomalies are quickly shown up as such. In football, where the norm is round about two goals per game, there is simply not enough date to make any significant conclusions from it. By the time you have enough data to make a worthwhile conclusion, it will be the end of the career of most of the players involved in it. That is why you need to add more data.

Advanced stats use so many different data points to build up more of an idea of the players actual contribution, to try and factor out anomalies. Even then, it really is not even close to being anything more than an aid to scouting, as a certain French DoF we employed recently showed with his hopeless acquisitions.}

11 Apr 2016 15:12:27
Hem B, the difference is that Liverpool don't play a long-ball, crossing-intensive game.

Most of Benteke's goals at Villa were from the ground. But the thing was that Villa pumped heaps of balls up to him where he would then receive the ball, attract defenders and create space for team mates to work the ball around in a threatening position. That is why Benteke was so crucial to them; without Benteke, they could not do that. It is a totally different style of play to what Liverpool do.

And how many times this season have we seen our players in a position to cross the ball, only for Benteke to be stationary on the edge of the box demanding the ball be played to his feet, back facing the goal?


11 Apr 2016 15:53:31
Ed1, I wouldn't disagree with any of that and I've already seen some very odd results (under my system Caulker, with 4 minutes of play, is, by a factor of 10, our best player) . But there is one reason why I do like keeping an eye on some sort of stats and that's because football fans find it really hard to be objective. We all have our favorite players who we'll forgive certain sins whilst we over criticize players we're not fond of. I do it, you do it, every fan does it. Having some sort of statistical backing can qualify our opinions. Take Henderson, as opposed to some we both think he's an important part of the Liverpool team but it's not easy to justify that. He doesn't score or assist loads, he's not an amazing dribbler or passer nor does he tackle that much, his qualities are hard to tie down but ultimately we score more, and concede less, when he plays, that's statistical evidence.

I don't think my little project is very serious but it capably demonstrates a few things. With Sturridge in the team we're now scoring enough goals to have a crack at the top 4 and maybe the title, Firmino and Coutinho are two of our most important players, we're a much better team when Hendos on the pitch and that if we started Caulker we'd score 45 goals a match (that last one may be an anomaly) . Maybe none of that's particularly ground breaking (apart from the Caulker thing) but I like being able to refer to it when someone says we should sell Hendo or Sturridge this summer.


{Ed001's Note - I personally find it very easy to remove those favourite blinkers to be honest. Maybe I am just cold? Only I do look at a game without them. I mean I personally like Tony Pulis, he is a genuinely decent chap who does a lot for charity, but I can remove that from my thinking when I watch his teams' play football. Same with Rafa etc. I do like the idea of analysing things and read hundreds of stats breakdowns about games myself, but I just use them as a guide like yourself. The problem is that you have to figure out what weight to give to each stat you collate, that is where the blinkers tend to come on.

By the way, the likes of Opta etc started out pretty much the same way you are. Maybe we should set up a way for your spreadsheet to show up on the site? So people can follow what you are doing. I don't know what you do now, but there are lots of clubs crying out for stats analysts right now, and the jobs are always popping up. It helps to have something like what you are doing on a site you can point to, in order to show people what you are doing is genuinely yours, rather than just a c&p job if you ever do consider doing it for a living. Just a thought if you are interested in it for a long term career.}

11 Apr 2016 16:03:00
i do apologize hem b. as i read my post again it didn't sound as i meant it to be.


11 Apr 2016 16:13:12
Yeah I think I understand the difference between villa and us Nick, cheers tho. šŸ‘šŸ»šŸ‘šŸ».


11 Apr 2016 17:01:25
Hey Ed I just started working as an analyst. Would love to have a crack at this. Maybe we can exchange few emails as I would like your help in pinning down certain stats to pin down and track. Finally using these stats to build a model to make some sort of informed predictions.


{Ed001's Note - use the contact form mate and I will happily have a chat with you about it.}

11 Apr 2016 17:09:33
Surely the one stat that does matter in football is the goals/ assists?


{Ed001's Note - well technically only the goals matters, but the point is in trying to nail down players' contributions, there is more involved than just the goals for and against. After all there are 11 people on each side, plus the chance of freak goals and many other anomalies.}

11 Apr 2016 18:16:18
I love the idea Ed1 and 10 years ago I think I would have been all over it but I've got some responsibilities now which make starting at the bottom again difficult. I'll do some digging though and see if there's anything that may be suitable.

As for my stats, I'll send you guys something, see what you think of it and publish it if you like, just need to clean it up first.


{Ed001's Note - ok mate, will look forward to reading it.}

11 Apr 2016 19:30:53
muscat - you've got CDO (that's OCD arranged in alphabetical order) šŸ˜‰.


11 Apr 2016 11:25:26
Ojos assist. Omg! Made Shakiri look like a championship player. How great was that?

So awesome to see a forward attack the ball in the 6yd box. Not mentioning any names.

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11 Apr 2016 13:25:28
Digger would have been happy with that assist.


11 Apr 2016 13:32:25
it did remind me of barnes ron, the simplicity of it was impressive beat the man and whip the cross straight in, we have missed that sort of wing play all season, ojo can be well pleased with his performance.


11 Apr 2016 15:14:00
Hope we just play Ojo and don't buy anyone to get in his way of the 1st team. Rumours we are signing Dembele bit I hope we use Ojo, Kent and Canos instead.


11 Apr 2016 15:54:55
That's it that's who I was trying to remember John Barnes. When Ojo did that wee bit of skill then the cross I knew it reminded me of a ex player. Thanks for that Ron.


11 Apr 2016 19:25:16
In my opinion that was a great piece of man management in taking him off at half time. Sets up a goal on a plate, kids on a massive high. He'll be on that high until the next time he features now. If he takes it in the right way then that can be a massive confidence building experience for him.


12 Apr 2016 07:22:37
Hi Barry,

I think there's a lot of similarities between Ojo and Digger. He moves around the pitch like Digger, it's effortless he just stretches out those long legs and gallops around.

He's going to be a great player and like others have said, there needs to be space for him to come through into the team. That's why I wouldn't spend all our money on a new winger.


11 Apr 2016 11:22:37
Oh my god, Ibe has deleted his Twitter account! Oh the humanity šŸ˜±.

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12 Apr 2016 07:23:25
What about the children?
Won't somebody think of the children? šŸ˜¬.


11 Apr 2016 11:18:25
Hi eds,

Jordon Ibe as apparently deleted all references to Liverpool on social media, and posted a cryptic instagram image. Any new developments?

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{Ed002's Note - I assume you are again playing on Twitter Nick. I know nothing of it but others have said that this happened last year sometime.}}

11 Apr 2016 11:21:59
To be honest I find twitter boring! Just passing on what I've seen on facebook. Thanks.


11 Apr 2016 10:37:21
Ed thanks for having this remarkable site you are doing a great job. I did not watch the match yesterday as i do not have the channel they were showing although here in South Africa every match is shown on Supersport, by going with the posts here origi once again came with another brilliant performance, its early days yes but what i have seen in him is a making of a world class striker has every attribute to do that if he keeps his head down and he is still young to improve by adding goals to his game, Sturridge had a good game as well, my question is how do you start them on Tuesday bcz now it will be a different ball game as Dortmund also would need an early away goal to turn the tie in their favour.

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{Ed002's Note - The term "world class" is much over used.}

11 Apr 2016 11:29:06
I rate world class for the top 3 mabyee 5 players he has a lot to do to make that there are hundreds of players called world class nowday.


11 Apr 2016 11:46:18
Oops! I said Tuesday instead of Thursday, but ed i got what you mean there haha.


11 Apr 2016 21:23:44
Masa Kaunga,

ive read your post about not being able to watch the game, if you have a laptop or sesk top pc you can watch any game on a site called EPLSITE you will be able to watch every liverpool game on it, or try KODI, i use EPLSITE the most.


11 Apr 2016 10:28:12
So. What's going on with Ibe?

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11 Apr 2016 10:53:31
apparently deleted all of the Liverpool related off his twitter etc but on his account this was done in 2015 which was when he would of moved to Derby for his loan. just think someone is trying to make something out of nothing. Ibe has the talent there to be a real classy player but has not been able to find it on a constant level as of yet, a loan to a mid table team where he is guaranteed first team football in the prem would be a good move i think and see how he does. confidence can ruin the best of the best. hope he gets back to what we all know can do.


11 Apr 2016 11:12:31
Yeah, he hasn't posted anything on that twitter account since April 2015. Either he is using a new one, or is smart enough to avoid it entirely, but I think this is a nonsense story.


11 Apr 2016 19:32:33
Haven't a clue what's going on with him since he left social media šŸ˜„.


11 Apr 2016 10:21:07
While allen, milner, moreno etc had good games yesterday it was against a stoke side who were clearly well below the usual standard and was making them look good to an extent. The goalie had a nightmare and would have dealt with all the goals better on another day, then nobody is praising milner and moreno. They will always flounder against half decent opposition and the fickle fans come out again, 'oh i've always liked milner/ moreno/ allen he can be important next season etc etc', they've been proven time and again to not be good enough and let us down and 1 good game doesn't change that. Even andy carroll scored a hattrick the other day.

Onto the positives though, mainly beong that sturridge, origi, ojo and stewart all played great and showed their worth, some players proving to be important to us now and makes me so excited for next season.

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11 Apr 2016 11:50:04
Just admit they had a good game instead of saying it was the oppositions fault. You can only beat what's in front of you. Milner whilst not been in form has won more titles than our entire squad so if that's proving time and again that he's not good enough I don't know what the expectation is.


11 Apr 2016 12:29:16
Anonymous, bit of a contradiction there. You say Milner Allen and Moreno only played well because the opposition were poor, but went on to say Origi, Sturridge Ojo and Stewart played well against the same poor opposition. You can't have it both ways.


11 Apr 2016 12:32:07
Jesus mate, this is embarrassing. Consider for a second that Stoke were below par because they were made to look poor by a really co-ordinated Liverpool performance? Moreno had a good game forward and back and Milner was decent in the midfield but had two assists, including one really good one. If you take the measurable end product out of anyones game on any day then it tends to mean a fairly average performance from them, it's a silly comment. Just accept it mate, we fielded an under strength team who played well and did a good job.


11 Apr 2016 13:48:18
on Thursday Dortmund were below par, sunday stoke were poor, blimey can we not accept we have played well any more? i felt we played well yesterday made 7 changes kept countinho, and our 2 centre halfs fresh for Thursday, gave ojo 45mins of premier league action and saw another example of how reliable and steady kevin stewart can be for us, oh and origi and sturridge showed they can both play up front together.


11 Apr 2016 14:22:16
Thats not the point at all. We did play well and thoroughly deserved to win.

My point is is that if you try to get players like milner, allen and moreno to deliver against teams in a game tougher than that, when we aren't on top and aren't handed mistakes from the opposition, they will come up short.

I commented on sturridge, origi, stewart and ojo because it is important to acknowledge their exceptional performances due to the fact that 3 of them are promising young players continuing good form and 1 has struggled since coming back from injury and was nice to see him back to his old self.

Also the point was mainly to point out i've seen fickle comments regarding milner, allen and moreno and kissing their arse when we know full well they'll be leaving.

But not to detract from the performance because we did actually win and made us all happy.


11 Apr 2016 17:16:12
5 goals and 9 assists in 25 PL games for James Milner this season, a direct contribution to 14 goals, which is more than Coutinho (12) and only bettered by Firminho (16).

I am not a fan of Milner, but he has picked up his game since the turn of the year, and these sort of posts just come across as one without any basis AW.


11 Apr 2016 17:25:37
You can only beat who's in front of you, if they didn't turn up that's their problem we had a game plan and executed it and won it's that simple.


11 Apr 2016 18:11:12
Yeah well balotelli scored 32 in 50 for milan in italy when we bought him, clearly using pure stats was a good idea then as well?

Milner hasn't been as unbearable as he was before the start of the year, yes. But i do believe those goals and assists really are just mostly flukes and more reflect how much he plays rather than his creativity on the pitch. I think all bar 2 of those goals were penalties and most of his assists have been flukes like at the weekend - the plays so many games for us they're bound to get through at some point. If you got up a stat that adjudged what percentage of his crosses, passes and shots actually reached their target, or how many players he takes on, they might tell a different story.


12 Apr 2016 08:06:52
AG - it's also worth bearing in mind that Milner takes pens and a lot of set plays, which does provide a slightly undeserved boost to his numbers. Granted he still has to convert those which isn't easy but it has to be recognised - Suarez's haul without a single penalty ranks way about someone like Rooney's who had slightly more but had about 10 penalties mixed in there!


11 Apr 2016 09:12:02
Great game yesterday. Thought Mignolet was poor though. Didn't really command his area or organise the defence. He made Camerons header look good by being caught in no mans land half way between his line and Cameron. Poor display in my opinion. However, I can't fault Moreno for a change. Had one of his best games in the shirt. Toure was pretty solid. Skrtel was dodgy, and gave away a ridiculous free kick which led to their goal. Clyne just went about his game quietly.

Onto midfield and I thought Stewart was brilliant. Mopped up everything with ease and was very composed on the ball. However I wasn't impressed with Allen. He just ran around and offered nothing to be honest. Game just passed him by. Milner on the other hand had a great game. Quick thinking for our first goal and excellent cross for the third. I was very impressed. Ojo was only on for 45 minutes but what an inpact he had. Single handedly gifted Sturridge a goal. Shaquiri is probably going to have nightmares about him for weeks.

Sturridge had his best game since he's been back. Got into the box at every opportunity (finally) and got his rewards for it. Some neat build up play also. Firmino never really got into the game offensively but he put in a great shift and made some clever runs to create space for others. Origi came on as a sub though and was probably my man of the match. Took him 45 minutes to grab the headlines. His first was great movement, his second was just bamboozling skill and an excellent cross-shot. That is a dream delivery.

All in all, a good game from the side with only Migs, Skrtel and Allen putting in below average performances. As was refected in the scoreline. Really pleased. Particularly for the younger lads; Ojo, Stewart, Moreno and Origi. Stewart for me starts on Thursday night now. Probably alongside Can. Think that midfield offers a lot of composure, pace and power which will be needed against Dortmunds high press.

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11 Apr 2016 10:12:37
Allen below average?

Nonsense.


11 Apr 2016 10:25:17
Yeah I thought Allen had a very reasonable game to be fair. Milner was very good.


11 Apr 2016 10:27:50
You'll have to enlighten me as to what he offered then Izzo. He pressed out of sequence allowing the opposition to just pass him by, he didn't really win possession back frequently, he was completely missing in the final third. All he offered was work rate without any end product or actual impact on the game. It was like watching a poor mans Mark Noble.

I've defended Allen to the hilt in the past but I'm not going to pretend he played well yesterday. I'm not saying he was bad. He was just below average. He did nothing glaringly wrong per se but also managed to do nothing right. You could've dropped him and put any hard working pro in his place with no effect on our display as a team.


11 Apr 2016 11:51:45
Allen got a standing ovation from prett much the entire stadium. 44,000 people were all wrong and he offered nothing.


11 Apr 2016 12:07:29
no one puts wee joe in the corner.


11 Apr 2016 12:34:44
Swish - he certainly looked busy and looked like he was showing a lot of intent. But in terms of what he actually did, he didn't actually manage that much - he won possession less than Stewart, his passing wasn't as accurate or frequent, he didn't make any notable chances. he did his best to imitate Hendo and good on him, but I didn't see anything in my last two games that suggests he should be starting with everyone fit.


11 Apr 2016 13:20:10
The team was winning 4-1 and everyone was in a good mood. They'd have clapped a streaker for crying out loud. I don't think you can judge a players performance accurately based on how much they are clapped. He put in a shift and ran around a lot which for some is enough to earn a clap. I'd have clapped him off too. He still played his part. Hence why I didn't see he was poor. He just wasn't good either.

Can you honestly say Allen had any significant impact on the game? Because you're lying to yourself if you think he did. He quite simply ran around and made up the numbers. No errors, hence he wasn't bad. But nothing impressive, hence why he wasn't good. Just chill out man. 6 months ago you all wanted him lynched and I was one of a handful of people defending him. Yesterday though he could've sat down and it wouldn't have made a difference because the majority of the rest of the team were exceptional.


11 Apr 2016 13:50:49
If you want to get picky, Allen made more tackles than any other Liverpool player with 100% success rate. Passing accuracy was 86%, Stewarts was 88% I think. Why does some need to be pinpointed. He's a squad player who does a decent job when called upon and I don't recall anyone calling for him to start when fit. get off the guy's back and enjoy the win, isn't that what it should be about.


11 Apr 2016 14:41:01
"He didn't really win possession back frequently" "Stewart was brillant" Allen regain back ball more times than Stewart. And also made more tackle. He also have 87% pass accuracy which is only 1% lesser than Stewart. Ain't bring Stewart down, he's fantastic ysd but so did Allen if not, more.


11 Apr 2016 17:18:11
Clear to see you have your favorites MK Scouser. I am not the biggest fan of Allen or Mignolet, but both did well yesterday.


11 Apr 2016 09:01:07
With the end of season looming, just wondered what impact the first pre season under Klopp may have in everyone's opinion, Eds in particular. I feel it is a good chance for Klopp to consolidate his philosophies and tactics and further improve the fitness. Hoping that we can then hit the ground running.

It's probably a crystal ball kinda question but what the hell its only banter after all.

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{Ed002's Note - People are over using the term "pre season". Klopp is a decent coach and like all coaches he will want as much time to prepare as he can. But with a pre-season visit to the US and three tournaments that players will be lost to it perhaps won't be such a clear run as he would prefer.}

11 Apr 2016 08:43:54
Morning Gents,

I missed the game yesterday unfortunately and fell asleep on the sofa before MOTD2, but i'd just like to see what everyone's opinion on Stewart/ Ojo's individual performance's were like?

Did they settle in well enough? I imagine so considering the result :)

Cheers

Tom.

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11 Apr 2016 09:10:02
Ojo was patchy - did great for his assist and his pace caused people real problems, but also got pushed off the ball too easily several times and was a liability at set pieces.

Stewart continued to look like a man who never tiers and has the composure of a player several seasons older - very impressive. Played a record number of passes with only 7 not being completed.


11 Apr 2016 09:16:14
All the young lads did well. Origi, Ojo, Stewart and Moreno were 4 of our best players. Sturridge and Milner also had good games. Ojo put Dannys goal on a plate for him and Stewart was the most solid player on the team defensively. Origi and Stewart should both start on Thursday. Arguably though so should Sturridge. Not a bad headache to have though!


11 Apr 2016 09:24:55
You have to allow for inconsistency with kids though hjikle. I agree with you though. All things considered though (premier league full debut, only 18/ 19) he thought he was as good as could've been expected.


11 Apr 2016 09:35:56
As per Adam Lallana ( Mk Scouser ) everyone except Allen had good game and would continue unti Allen gets sold in the summer.


11 Apr 2016 10:45:44
I don't get the sudden hype qbout allen either he made a few good interceptions but some of them were because stokes passing was so bad. Played nowhere near as good as stewert or milner.


11 Apr 2016 11:16:30
I don't think anyone is 'hyping' him up at all. Myself, I'm saying he had a very reasonable game and did what was needed off him. I cannot understand some fans fascination with having to find faults for no reason. Allen never was and never will be a player that lights the pitch up and gets the fans going, he is there to do a job and he has been doing it in a satisfactory way when called upon. I would rather have Allen come off the bench and do that than some 'world class' player who throws his dummy out and refuses to pit the effort in when called upon.


11 Apr 2016 12:15:23
agree Origi, Stewart and Moreno were some of our better players but Ojo was nowhere near, he looked shaken and a bit out of his depth early on, however we really started to settle into the game after 20mins and his assist was sublime, great movement across the pitch, mugged Shaqiri and the an inch perfect cross, something we've been lacking. They Boy has serious talent and I was shouting as loud as anyone for him to get a start, and his assist was at a critical juncture, but we can't call him one of the better performers.


11 Apr 2016 12:36:24
Oh don't get me wrong I had no issues with Ojo - for a debut, he did better than I expected if anything and his assist was exceptionally well crossed. But it was still inconsistent minute to minute and showed that he had a huge amount to learn - no way he should be starting or even in the squad on Thursday for me. Stewart should start with Can vs Dortmund for me.


11 Apr 2016 12:45:08
Agree with Hjkle he was patchy but, when having a good spell, did very very well. There is a lot of potential there and it will be interesting to see how he develops.

Stewart, I thought, was also patchy. He breaks up the play very well and has a much better understanding of his responsibility and positioning as a defensive midfielder. His passing is still some way short of the desired quality in my opinion but he does not look out of place in midfield - certainly deserves more games.


11 Apr 2016 12:51:51
Agree Hjikle, Stewart and Can and the usual forwards, although wouldn't we disappointed to see a 4-3-3 with Origi on the wing.


11 Apr 2016 14:06:20
Other than putting it on a plate for Sturridge Ojo did nothing if we are honest, before anyone says I'm slating him I'm not, I actually think he could become a cracker, I like his positivity and he has really good feet.


11 Apr 2016 17:16:50
That's not true 18and5 - his obvious pace advantage kept both FB's pinned back - especially useful on Pieters side as Affeley was useless and they needed him joining the attack. I believe he also drew the foul that Pieters was booked for which suspended him for 2 games, which is very useful considering how close they are in the league - I still want us finishing as high as possible!


11 Apr 2016 22:05:48
Oh come on hjikle, so Ojos pack kept both full backs pinned back and that somehow counts as him playing well, oh he drew a foul as well, oh and a Stoke player now misses 2 games, I've been analysing my teams performances all wrong for all this time.
If I didn't know Usain Bolt was a Man U fan i would push for us to sign him, imagine the terror his pace would bring to every team we play.
Just to remind you, Ojo never made it on he pitch the 2nd half, maybe just maybe I was right all along.


12 Apr 2016 08:11:25
Are you 18 or 5 mate? For a start I have very little doubt that you have a semi-random way of analysing matches that tells you nothing of note. Proof being that you think he was subbed because he was so poor at half time when he was clearly subbed to change the formation to 4-4-2.

That aside - yes keeping wide opposition players better occupied than they have been in any other game vs LFC is doing something. As is being able to confuse opposing players enough to repeatedly draw fouls from them.


11 Apr 2016 08:39:53
Morning redmen,

Great result yesterday. Hopefully the catalyst for a strong finish to the season.

With that in mind here is how our other reds are currently getting on.

Grujic is injured so missed red stars 1-1 draw. They seem to of taken their foot off the gas a little, however they are already champs.

Allan and st truiden also drew 1-1 as their decline from top spot continues. I think the dream of him winning two titles in one season is over.

Ballotelli came on for the final 10 as AC lost 2-1 to Juve.
Tho in the week that milans president pretty much confirmed Mario will be coming back our way.

Markovic watched on injured as fenerbache lost 2-1 meaning they slipped from top spot. 7 matches remain for them to try and win the title.

Fsv and anowiyi are still flirting with the relegation places following a 4-1 defeat.
Awoniyi assisted the opening goal, unfortunately it was all downhill from there.

After a week away from the subs bench yesil returned! To sit on the bench unused as luzern drew 1-1.

Vigouroux watched on injured as Swindons yoyo season continued with a 1-0 defeat to Bradford.

Wisdom played the full 90 as norwich lost 1-0 to palace increasing their relegation fears!
Big few weeks ahead if the club is to survive.

Fulton didn't make the squad (possibly injured) as Pompey beat my home town 4-1 šŸ˜¢
Dagenham are now officially doomed.

Anyway.

Canos started brentfords 3-1 win over Ipswich! šŸ˜

And there's your lot redmen šŸ†.

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{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}

11 Apr 2016 09:11:36
Markovic has been written off for the season now and has returned to Melwood for treatment.


11 Apr 2016 09:46:46
Nice update cheers mate.


11 Apr 2016 10:35:57
Thanks for update on markovic hijkle. Anybody know what he has done?


11 Apr 2016 10:59:35
Sint-Truiden and Allan are in the second group of playoff2. If they win their group, they can play for a Europa League place.


11 Apr 2016 12:16:27
Thanks, any idea what injury Grujic is carrying?


11 Apr 2016 06:41:53
I here that Ibe has deleted his Instagram account and taken off everything to do with Liverpool from his twitter account?

Im not on eithet but wondered why he would do that? Anyone?

Eds is there more in it to him not playing for ages or is he just sulking?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know, but there is also the possibility it was suggested as a way of showing he is concentrating on his game instead of messing around on social media being affected by abuse.}

11 Apr 2016 07:30:22
Maybe the poor lad is getting constant abuse from fickle LFC fans who have no clue as to the patience required to nurture young players.


11 Apr 2016 08:11:42
It looks like he's gone as close to deleting it altogether as his sponsors allows him to - all posts for the past 12 months and his bio is just a like to the Nike account. Sounds like Ed001 might be on point with that.


11 Apr 2016 08:36:49
Hope so, he clearly has the talent, would be a shame if a run of bad form/ confidence derailed a potentially excited career with us. Still have high hopes even if competition will be hotter next season with Markovic and Ojo and even Origi showing signs of being able to play out wide.


11 Apr 2016 10:13:57
Not only does he have talent but he also has a contract until 2020. I know that young players don't think that contracts are worth the paper they are written on but if Liverpool says that he stays then he stays. He is earning a really good salary and all tht is needed is a little hard work to go with it.


11 Apr 2016 12:42:17
At this present time their are other players in the squad who are playing better than him, when given the opportunity. No one can say that he has played well enough to hold down a place in the starting 11. The lad has so much talent but he needs to be playing regular so he can learn positioning and decision making.
If he doesn't take the opportunities that present themselves during the season, he will need to go on loan to a prem club next yr, like Wilshire and Sturridge did.
I would not give up on him, he just needs game time and that needs to be somewhere he can make the odd mistake and not feel the pressure and gain some confidence.


12 Apr 2016 06:02:22
Agree Terry a good loan to a championship side would do him a lot of good to thrive in a winning team, develop further and rebuild confidence. Wouldn't mind a loan to a newly promoted side if confidence he'd be played.


11 Apr 2016 05:15:21
Sorry to bug you Ed01. Did you watch the game? If yes, I would like to know your opinion on Toure's game last night. Fellow readers, would love to know your guys' as well.

I was kind of impressed with him last night.

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{Ed001's Note - I didn't sorry mate, I was out with family.}

11 Apr 2016 05:28:26
Thought he did very well, but he and Skrtel as a pair did look a bit shaky on set pieces. Not sure entirely his fault as the side lacked height vs Stoke (although Allen and Shaqiri would be an interesting match up! ) .


11 Apr 2016 06:37:43
Oh its ok Ed01.

Thanks zimbo. I thought it was a good pair. What I meant is, Toure looked a bit tidy and maybe that's why I couldn't see much of Skrtel's errors and all.

I also thought that he covered the left area really well. One occasion I saw him at the left back area, while Moreno was a bit in the middle.

Just my opinion though.


11 Apr 2016 07:36:24
Can't ask anything more from a back up cb, great lad and puts a shift in. Makes we wonder what the point of signing Matip is just to get rid of toure.


11 Apr 2016 07:51:21
Probably because Toure is 34 or not far off.


11 Apr 2016 07:56:50
Hem b. i'm assuming that its because next year we may be going into next season with Sakho, Lovren, Matip and Gomez as our Centre Backs.


11 Apr 2016 08:13:09
Toure was class yesterday as he always is - it's such a shame that he won't be around next season (but I do get that we need to start on our future which long term he won't be part of) . It said everything that even on set plays, the first priority was always to keep the delivery away from Toure!


11 Apr 2016 08:38:37
I'd love to see him stay with Lovren, Sakho, Matip and Toure our front 4 and Lucas able to cover any injury crisis.


11 Apr 2016 08:59:02
Smurf, I am pretty sure one of the Eds said that Gomez isn't deemed ready to play CB yet, hence why Klopp and his team are looking for another one on top of Matip coming in, which one of the Eds also said.


11 Apr 2016 09:23:21
Oh k. didn't know they said that. well i would have liked to see him get the 4th choice spot.


11 Apr 2016 12:00:50
If we can get him on lower wages for another year I think toure would be a brilliant option as 4/ 5th choice.

Mentor the younger players and showed yesterday he can still read the game well and will keep some much valued experience in the dressing room.

Kolo! Kolo!


{Ed002's Note - Financially mismanaged and stupid, yes. To pay a signing on fee and millions a year to a player to act as a mentor to the youngsters? Not that that stupid.}

11 Apr 2016 04:58:32
What a plonker Ibe is. Klopp clearly is aware of what he can do so if he doesn't pick him he just needs to try harder. wonder if he will be the next Liverpool youngster to hire Aidy Ward.

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11 Apr 2016 07:19:17
sorry, what just happened here mate?


11 Apr 2016 08:13:31
What are you talking about with this?


11 Apr 2016 09:00:12
Why exactly is Ibe a plonker? Your post makes no sense at all.


11 Apr 2016 00:32:11
I thought one stand out difference today was the quality of the balls in.

Numerous balls went in from wide and a lot of them were top quality.

It has been frustrating to watch poor balls countlessly delivered this season but today we played some top quality balls in. Also had a few men in the box ready to tuck them away!

Great performance from everyone today!

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{Ed007's Note - Is it still the Nike Ordem they use? The design reminds me of the old red and white Mitre balls they used back in the 80s, the Sturridge ball or something like that.}

11 Apr 2016 03:09:19
The Sturridge ball? Did the stitching come out when you kicked it? On a serious note Studge looked more like his old self today. The way we're playing its just a pity we've left it to late in the season to really make an impact on the league. Performance levels have rocketed and we've started creating/ taking chances again. Even in the Southampton game we were ruthless first half but if ever a game summed up our season. Next season can't come quick enough, YNWA.


10 Apr 2016 22:58:12
hi edds been saying for few weeks origi could be are best striker obviously a few weeks doesn't make that happen but how far or should I say how good do u think this boy can be because when he first signed there was a few reservations cheers.

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11 Apr 2016 01:54:59
What pleasing for me is he is so versatile. He can use his physical presence to hold the ball up, but still has pace to run in behind, can score with his head, defends well from the front and more. although raw, he's not one dimensional and that makes him difficult to defend against. Also makes him extremely useful when in a tight match ( can belt it up to him and he can help relieve pressure, but when we are in possession he's not slow like a Lambert, Carroll etc. )

Only downside is he's not a clinical finisher like Sturridge yet so expect hot and cold streaks that hopefully he'll grow out of with experience (and like Harry Kane did) . In fact he reminds me a bit of Kane, and has potential to end up a bit like Drogba IMO.


11 Apr 2016 03:45:22
The way he celebrate with hands horizontal reminds me Patrick Kluivert. Finishing can be work on, depends on how hardworking he is.


11 Apr 2016 04:33:45
Origi is showing fans why u give players time to adapt into a new club. firmino showed good work rate after injury, that boys going to become a Liverpool favourite, fantastic attitude.


11 Apr 2016 08:42:35
He's a smart cookie too. Have you heard him in interview?

ā€œFootball is a game you play with your brainā€ Johan Cruyff

Future looks good.


11 Apr 2016 12:53:42
I'll hold my hands up - I was saying only a couple of weeks ago that whilst Origi's athleticism and work rate is great he doesn't score enough, particularly important goals. Well this week he has dispelled that notion. I'm happy to be wrong! He has played well and looked a threat - if he continues this sort of form he'll be a valuable asset.


 
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