Liverpool Banter Archive February 11 2016

11 Feb 2016 20:00:32
Ed001,

I have heard your thoughts on fowler, rob jones, finnan etc. But would like to know what you thought of mcmanaman? Do you think he lived up to the hype? Did he apply himself well until he left the club?

And what happened with sean dundee? I can't honestly remember him playing.

Thanks ed, when / if you have the time

Thanks to ed002 to, you both give great views that not everyone agrees with but the site wouldn't be the same without you

Regards

Crooky.

{Ed001's Note - McManaman was a nice lad, he was very close to a family friend so used to get us tickets. He would be round their house all the time, as Auntie May (she wasn't actually my Aunt it was just good friends I was always told to call Aunt/Uncle as a kid) worked at Anfield, in the days when there were only about 20 people in total working for the club. Back then he was a good lad, then he started to do well for the team, winning player of the year awards and stopped bothering with her. He just got too big for his boots to be honest and lost his way. I remember though that he would just sit in with the crowd when injured, so we would be sat with him, as he got us tickets, when he wasn't playing, rather than sitting in a box away from the crowd. Him, Fowler and Matteo used to go along to reserve games etc as well regularly to cheer on the team. So he was a mixed bag off the pitch.
On the pitch, good ability but a tendency to run down blind alleys and waste good possession at times. While someone like John Barnes would use their skill to create themselves time and space, he never quite learnt that knack, and used to just end up taking on too many far too often. Had excellent stamina though, could run all day and so never stopped trying to take people on, it was just infuriating because he thought getting it right once a game (and it being on the MOTD highlights that was pretty much all anyone but matchgoers got to see) was enough to make up for 20 times he over did it.
Going to Spain made a massive difference to his game, he got more time and space and he made use of it. His passing improved, as he had time to look around and he wasn't just running into blind alleys as they would not defend as tightly. He was much more suited to their football of the time.
Thing I would remember most about him though, was his constant driving round Bootle in flashy convertibles with the top down. Must have been freezing but he would have hated it if people didn't notice him!

Sean Dundee just turned out to be crap and so barely got a look in.}

11 Feb 2016 22:06:04
Sean Dundee made 3 sub appearances I can remember? Signed Along with another flop Erik Meijer.

11 Feb 2016 22:04:47
Hey buttercup would u agree that mcmanaman would have been a more prolific player had he been under the tutelage of a manager who was more of a disciplinarian rather than Roy Evans?

11 Feb 2016 23:51:00
Didn't Sean have a Crocodile named after him?

11 Feb 2016 23:58:43
He'd was just as abysmal as Rafa and BR in the TW.

12 Feb 2016 01:16:45
Mad Erik was a legend 😄.

11 Feb 2016 20:57:02
Thank you Ed001 really appreciate the response great to have these insights.

{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome, to answer the dental assistant up there, no. Roy Evans was not the issue in his time in charge, he and Ronnie Moran tried to enforce discipline, the problem was Moores interfering.}

11 Feb 2016 21:47:39
Cheers ed, i love these little snippets you give us on players. Anyone else you have the time to give an insight on? Maybe henchoz, heskey, kvarme, leonhardsen? Or go old school and go for whealan, crazy horse, paul walsh or your fave paul stewart. haha

Regards

Crooky.

{Ed001's Note - Crazy Horse? How old do you think I am??? Emlyn was on QOTS by my time!}

11 Feb 2016 19:12:30
Why do I get the impression that the anti ticket protest brigade hardly ever go the game?

Not a criticism, but a hunch that they don't have to spend their hard earned last pennies week in week out to watch modern day football.

Imagine what it's like when your child is begging to go the game and you can't afford it because you're getting ripped off?

Some don't live in the world of some and will never understand.

11 Feb 2016 19:24:30
Don't know what brigade you're referring to Davie but there were a lot of people walking out of the Sunderland match. A steward said he thought about 10k.

11 Feb 2016 19:49:40
Isn't that a compliment then dave?

People might of been there for that one game a season they can actually get to and were preperaed to walk out of it for the other 'lucky' gets who get to go to every game?

11 Feb 2016 23:28:28
Dave brought my dad over to Palace match for his 70th Birthday, we live in N. Ireland and watch every Lfc match together on Tele and make trip to Anfield once a year.

Cost £800 all in, so yeah we "hardly ever go to game", but when we do its the cost of a season ticket.

There are plenty of good LFC fans who aren`t "local working class heroes", but we are prepared to pay out good money for the Anfield experience, which is being eroded by the so called "True fans" many of whom stomped out of the ground in a huff when Palaces 2nd goal went in. The preferred response from a true fan would be encouragement for a struggling team.

11 Feb 2016 18:34:42
Just going back to the ticket issue/ fiasco.

we have some here who think (rightly IMO) that the owners are taking a liberty with the high prices and there has to be a line drawn to stop it. We also seem to have the support of other fans who themselves feel the same way.

We then have the other side of argument who are not wrong in their opinion, who say we expect the best players, wages, ground etc but we are not prepared to put our hands in our pockets for the pleasure of it. They then back that up with how FSG have debts that are spiralling up, players wages going up, ground being expanded and all at cost which FSG pay and yet do not complain. No doubt the first group will force their hand and make them sell up and move away.

My opinion on you men/ women in the second group is you are wrong. Whilst i think our owners are doing a good job and yes the debt is increasing they are a multinational group with a clear plan in mind. Do you honestly think there is no exit plan, or that the value of the club does not increase? If we were talking about the likes of Jack Walker at Blackburn who dug in and used his own personal wealth for his local team and his love, you would be right. This is not FSG own money or own love. They are loaning us their moaning which will be paid back with interest once they have got the club to a certain value and the investment pays off. don't think for any minute they care about the club. They care about their investment. Stop thinking they have what's right for Liverpool. Short term they do but longterm.

Watch this space!

11 Feb 2016 18:58:01
Correct tel, spot on! but the mills and boon brigade on here are going all doe eyed for billionaire business men who wouldn't give them the time of day on the street.

I purchased my Wembley ticket this morning £56, not bad for a final ticket some may say, yet I was charged a £6.45 CARRIGE PAYMENT, WTF is that about, no greed involved there of course, what happened to the days when you bought a ticket and that's all you paid for? And before you come screaming on here telling me everyone charges this type of payment I KNOW! Doesn't make it OK though does it! So and so is getting away with it so we'll do it too. ITS A JOKE AND NOT A VERY FUNNY ONE.

11 Feb 2016 19:37:47
You should pay for a plane to fly over Wembley saying "NO MORE CARRIAGE PAYMENTS, FSG OUT! " before walking out after 6 minutes and 45 seconds.

Why is this in any way a relevant or valid point? "everyone does it, but now that FSG have done it, i'm up in arms" seems pretty petty.

With regards to the ticket pricing in general, you're entitled to your opinion as is everyone else, but you do your cause no favours by criticising everything the club does.

11 Feb 2016 20:11:04
Why? because everyone does it makes it OK for the club to do it? Do you think it's OK to say " well that's what everybody else does, so why shouldn't we cash in"?

Your a sheep mate and that's your prerogative to live your life that way, me? Nah that's not how I roll lad, I'll meet anyone head on if there not playing it straight down the line, I took Aintree racecourse on at there ticket office and got these ridiculous charges taken off last October, I was there for well over an hour spoke to someone above the cashier at the course, then put the money that they were trying to get out of me for PRINTING THE TICKETS IN FRONT OF ME, and I put it in an injured jockey fund collection tin that was on the counter.

Now he probably knocked off the surcharge just to get rid of me because I was passing him off, but it shows it's just a con and I wasn't having it!

You like 90% on here are weak and just toe the line, good luck throughout your life with that baaaaaaa!

11 Feb 2016 20:51:20
Hope you have a good time at the final Waro, as we all do!

11 Feb 2016 21:07:49
Think I speak for the majority of people on here and wish waro would boycott the site. Give the caps lock a break pal.

11 Feb 2016 21:08:16
Waro has a taste for revolution and revolt after his victory. Lol
You going to take on google, Starbucks and amazon next mate?

11 Feb 2016 21:14:02
Ha ha well said Waro you are my hero. No wait a minute, it would be weak of me to agree with you and be a sheep.

I suspect you are just looking for an arguement so good luck by insulting 90% of us on here I'm sure you'll get a few bites.

Obviously I'm one of the 10% so no skin off my nose 😘.

11 Feb 2016 21:32:50
Ffs is this all do is whinge all bleeding day.

11 Feb 2016 22:23:03
I'm getting one of the £56 tickets in the morning so you never know Waro I may be sat next to you.

Oh hang on a minute. Was it not you that said they where buying it and not going?

Oh well. More room I suppose. ;)

11 Feb 2016 22:52:21
I am neither condoning or opposing the action taken as I am far too removed from the whole situation (Australia) to make a valid judgment.

The only thought I have is about everyone saying how the owners will sell up and they will be fine. Will actions taken recently by fans actually deter potential buyers? Maybe, maybe not. I think for sure that the type of buyer that won't be put off, are ruthless type owners that would never care what the fans think.

These type of owners will buy the club, hike the prices straight away with no care about the fans.

And do you think FSG will care too much about who they sell to if they have been subject to fan backlash over attempts to try to financially strengthen the club? I don't think they will, as they will need a buyer willing to pay a good price and that may only leave a certain type of buyer interested.

11 Feb 2016 23:03:36
I'd suggest Waro takes a course in Zen Buddhism followed by a group hug.

12 Feb 2016 01:19:00
Waro what's the 'O' al about in your username? 😉.

11 Feb 2016 18:06:40
{Ed002's Note - SOS were the ones who wanted the categories removed. I am not wrong with what the ultimate aim of SOS is and I am not sure why you want to suggest I am. }

Hello Ed02, I am not suggesting you are wrong I just recall the Share Liverpool scheme which tried to raise the money to buy the club and to be honest it failed to get anywhere near the level needed so I am surprised SOS or any other group for that matter would think it was possible. Do you recall the Share Liverpool scheme ED02 and ED01? how did you see it?

{Ed001's Note - yes and it was a nice idea, but it was impracticable.}

11 Feb 2016 16:52:45
Just wanted to say I was very sceptical of young Kevin Stewart at first but after the West. Ham game I'm 'very impressed with him. I definitely think he should keep his place for the European games and to cover injuries. Long term I would definitely see him as possibly Lucas replacement. He's quick not afraid to tackle can pass so no point going out and spending money we ain't got when we have a player here already. What you all think?

11 Feb 2016 17:40:34
Totally agree Barry start using these young players with experienced players to bring them on and save a fortune on blowing money we do not have
Up the pool.

11 Feb 2016 17:41:33
that is the sort of smart thinking we need going forward. using what we have, no need to spend £20million on some fancy name type. we have invested in stewart and the other lads let's see what they are made of. also the money saved here can go where its needed ie a quality goalkeeper. its going to be an interesting summer seeing who klopp keeps and who he gets rid off.

11 Feb 2016 19:40:11
Thanks for your positive comments lads. I to can't wait to see what JK will do in the summer. Ed001 said there are plan's to trim the squad and use the young lads as cover for injuries. I think that's a fantastic idea. It saves the club money but also gives the young lads valuable experience.

12 Feb 2016 00:10:21
Using the youth players who are clearly talented, to pad the squad while signing two, three top class signings to improve the first eleven, was what many were asking for but BR refused. Many defended him for not using the youth because according to them, BR knew them best hence if they were not playing, it's because BR doesn't think they're good enuff.

It was hogwash then, it is huge pile of crap now. TG Klopp gave them a chance and Stewart, Smith, Ilori, Ojo, Brannagan and Tex showed they were up to the task. Stewart especially, is one to watch. Can tackle, pass and shoot with either foot. Great lads for the future.

11 Feb 2016 15:19:31
Shocking lack of professionalism from Wolves. The comments they've made about Afobe are bang out of order. Not trying? They should watch Balotelli's Liverpool highlights and learn the true definition of lack of effort ;)

11 Feb 2016 15:45:48
Your damn right, I'm a Wolves fan and I posted my support for you guys protest recently. The people running football are rotting and Wolves are as bad as they get. A certain Steve Morgan (who tried to buy Liverpool once) is behind the chaos at Wolves and that's why we are attempting a similar protest to you lads.
Fans need to stand up and be counted.
Tommo (Wolves) .

11 Feb 2016 17:28:58
It does show how bad some owners can be, could have been ours too. Could get a similar one when FSG are driven out. Hope not.

11 Feb 2016 18:15:22
They didn't seem to treat Ojo that well either on his loan.

11 Feb 2016 18:40:33
Ojo looked a very exciting player when he was given the chance. Totally wasted loan spell with us because of confused tactics and asset stripping (selling Afobe for £10m and spending £2.5m) .
They are ruining Connor Coady too by playing him out of position. The club need a massive overhaul and a new owner as I believe we are big enough to be a prem club.
Ojo looks a find but you guys have so many - Brannigan, Chirivella, Rossitter, Smith, Randall, Sinclair, etc.
I'm sure Jurgen will turn you into champions. I visited Borrusia Dortmund a few years ago and he is a god there. Very similar club to Liverpool in structure and support - they even sing 'You'll never walk alone' at the kick off.
Good luck lads.

11 Feb 2016 14:43:38
Ed002, you rightfully point out that £77 was only for a handful of seats.

Doesn't matter how many it is, it could be a seat next to 'Klipperty' and it'd still be too much.

But the hundreds and thousands of seats for £71 or £75 have been overloooked.

I think it's a great response from the club and I can only hope that they look at ticket prices further to try and reduce the tickets for the loyal fans attending week in week out.

11 Feb 2016 15:57:38
Why do FSG not just give tickets away for free? This whole ticket issue is becoming a joke now.

FSG have bent over backwards and are now shelling out more money to keep things afloat while the the stadium is being expanded for more fans to to be able to watch matches at Anfield. If the club makes a loss in the financial results then you will not even hear FSG make a noise! To go with that, the revenue that gets made from extra seats once the stadium expansion is complete will now go back to repaying back the loan FSG made to LFC. Klopp will need money to spend in the transfer market too so hopefully the fans that walked out at 77 minutes will not piss and moan when FSG decide that they are going to close the tap running from FSG straight into LFC.

The plan for FSG has always been to make LFC self sustainable but what MANY do not understand is that every penny FSG loan to LFC puts LFC into further debt! How difficult is this to understand?

Our fans will never ever be satisfied. I am one 150% sure that FSG are just waiting for the opportune moment to say goodbye.

11 Feb 2016 16:41:12
The fair price is the price that people are willing to pay. What you lot want is "unfair" pricing which is below market tickets which will result in many people not being able to get a ticket that want to go as well as touts making a fortune by buying undervalued tickets and then Re-selling them to fans (probably for much more than 77 pounds) . Also not having match categorizations is mental! Clearly seeing Liverpool vs Man U should cost more than Liverpool vs. Bournemouth. You will end up with lots of people not being able to go to the former because the ticket is below market and lots of empty seats at the latter because the ticket is above market.

{Ed001's Note - that makes no sense, just nonsense. Why would the tickets be above value for a game? Touts are not going to make any money if they can't sell, so they are not going to put the price above market are they? Many people will not get tickets either way and touts operate in huge numbers now.
All you are doing is repeating business scaremongering, with no reality to it.}

11 Feb 2016 17:30:55
Well said Logan, FSG are decent owners who are being driven out. Shame.

11 Feb 2016 17:58:26
I think we are all entitled to our opinion mate. It all depends on which side of the fence you sit. A lot of us northern, flat cap, former sons of Dockers who work in jobs just above minimum wage may feel at times aggrieved that the club want to hike prices up. I choose to buy a season ticket each year rather than going on a Holiday abroad, why? I love supporting my team. I know some on here have an opinion that us supporters that have a season ticket should be thankful, why? 30 yrs I have had mine and I should give my seat up and let someone better off financially take it? I did not walk out on Saturday, but I am thankful for the owners that they have listened to the ones who did. I like the Owners and thank them for all they are doing for the club, but prices should be kept with inflation, for us flat cap commoners. .

11 Feb 2016 19:15:43
i wish i could hit like more than once.

11 Feb 2016 19:45:50
With all due respect Ed001, the fact that touts can buy tickets and re-sell them at a higher rate means that the club is in fact selling them below what people are willing to pay for them.

{Ed001's Note - with all due respect, that is not the point of any of this. We know there are rich people who can afford to pay ridiculous prices for things, but that doesn't mean ripping people off is the right way to go about it. I really don't know why people are still on about this. The point is that touts will exist no matter what, dropping the price is not going to suddenly see them appear, so your whole post was a bunch of crap. Move on and stop the scaremongering nonsense.}

11 Feb 2016 13:59:32
I agreed with the stance of standing up against ticket price increases due to the tickets not generating much revenue for the club.
I do not agree with the continued fight against the club in an attempt to force the owners out. FSG have poured money into the club in terms of transfers and stadium development. They have also shown that they will listen to the fans.

Baffles me as to why so many people want to force decent owners out.

11 Feb 2016 14:54:54
Completely agree Andy. FSG have done so much with little reward for themselves. Unfortunately there are still fans who want a sugar daddy who they perceive will spend endless amounts not realising that we have owners who have put probably 500 million in to the club if not more including the new stadium. As far as the protest goes I think it is something that the whole of football needs to look at. I take my son to watch rugby at the local super league club and a season pass for the both of us costs 230 in total. That's for a whole season of top class, top division sport. Different game I know but no less entertaining and the stadium is as good as any Premier Leauge ground, because it was until two seasons ago. Clubs need to make a profit and pay for new stadiums etc but fans need to be a ble to afford to go. This isn't just a Premier league problem, I have friends that go to Championship and league one team's and they are noticing the prices going up expedentially.

11 Feb 2016 17:33:10
Well said Andy. Maybe thise fans want rid because they'd rather see H&G return or a Thai Business man take over. Going to enjoy the next two seasons under decent owners, then worry.

11 Feb 2016 18:16:44
I don't get it. FSG have made some mistakes but so have other footy owners around the world. No ones perfect. They came in and have invested money into the club and in all fairness have been decent owners i think. Could do a lot worse.

11 Feb 2016 11:44:48
Question for Ed01 if you are about mate,

I think I recall you (to the best of my knowledge, apologies if it was ed02) saying Ian Ayre will be taking a job with Standard Chartered at some point in the near future. Is this still the case? Also what are your views on him being pictured with bikini clad women, on the piss, on Robbie Fowlers shoulders etc when away with the club, Surely he should be acting more professionally than he does? I know he takes a lot of stick some warranted, some not i'd imagine but I can't help but thinking he's making a rod for his own back.

{Ed001's Note - I believe the role is only open if he leaves us, last I heard anyway, it was just waiting for him if he ever became available.
Tough one about his actions, on the one hand he is perfectly entitled to a social life away from work, but it should stay private and not while away on club business. Same goes for Robbie as well, love him but he is employed by the club to represent it and he needs to remember that.}

11 Feb 2016 11:59:05
All for anyone having a good time also mate but when away with the club it sits uncomfortably with me. Just can't help cringing when pictures go about like that. Has either been pulled to one side about conduct that you are aware? On another note if only there was a way to have a carbon copy of a teenage Robbie in our youth ranks!

{Ed001's Note - not that I am aware of, but who is going to pull Ayre over? As for Robbie, he was there with the chief exec, so he can hardly be held responsible, so it would have to be Ayre giving the dressing down.}

11 Feb 2016 12:14:09
Very good point. And a worrying one at that! Complete Tangent but has John Barnes been considered for a role at the club? can't help but thinking he would be able to offer a lot hearing the man speak about the club and issues surrounding it.

{Ed001's Note - hmmmm while John Barnes can seem articulate and erudite, he is not exactly a role model either. Not sure he would be any better than those others. One of the best players I have ever seen, with more talent than any player ever to pull on our shirt, but he lacked the application and bravery to go with it. He could do things even Suarez would have just stared at open mouthed wondering how the hell he did that, but he lacked the work ethic to really make the most of his talents. He was the same as a manager, I doubt he would be any different working for the club.}

11 Feb 2016 12:31:34
Mesmerising watching him at times from what I have seen I agree. Very interesting insight as to how you think he would work at the club cheers mate. If there is anyone you would have working at the club in some capacity who would it be? If there is anyone you have that opinion on of course.

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - Clemence. He is one we should bring back to the club in my opinion.}

11 Feb 2016 12:39:05
Very good choice i'd say ED01! Cheers for your time mate keep up the good work. YNWA.

{Ed001's Note - he always represents the club very well in interviews etc so it would be good to have him back. You are very welcome mate.}

11 Feb 2016 13:32:24
I'd walk over hot coals to get Ray back my obsolute hero.

11 Feb 2016 10:54:07
One for Ed01 if you are about mate. Given Bodgers recent comments That he tried to sign Ashley Williams for us, I just wanted to know what your opinion of him as a player is, and why he has never been picked up by a "bigger" club? In my opinion he possesses many of the attributes we are currently lacking from our defenders, such as leadership, organisation, Ariel ability and consistency.
This than made me think about the summer, and who we could bring in, but I was really struggling to think of any Centre backs that would be both attainable, and improve our squad. It really does seem that defenders now days need to be quick, good on the ball and read the game well, with the basics of defending almost being a secondary thought. Players such as Terry, Carra, Vidic and Campbell are becoming a dying bread ( Not saying those players are bad on the ball or anything, but they were / are defenders first and foremost) . The one player who stands out to me as being more of the "old School" style defender, whilst still being good on the ball and nimble, is Kamil Glik, but I know Ed02 has said we hold no interest and is happy where he is. Who would you like us to bring in Ed01?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed001's Note - I am not a fan of Williams, he is a very average player who struggles when under pressure as he showed this season. Fine when his team is dominating possession but not so good when actually required to do anything. He is big, strong and quick, but that is all for me. He has gone nowhere else because there has been very little real interest, even we were only interested in him as a cheap option really. No one was going to spend big on him.
Bring in? I have not seen anyone worth bringing in, I would rather we worked on developing what we have, unless the scouts have found someone I haven't seen.}

11 Feb 2016 11:36:07
"Bring in? I have not seen anyone worth bringing in, I would rather we worked on developing what we have, unless the scouts have found someone I haven't seen"

😘.

{Ed001's Note - are you making a pass at me Ronald?}

11 Feb 2016 11:38:16
Ed001 - what's your views on Shawcross?

For me we need a commanding centre-back with good communication skills. Shawcross to me seems like a good fit. His overall game seems to have evolved over the last 12 - 18 months and to me he would be a straight replacement for Skrtel.

{Ed001's Note - god no, just a cumbersome thug who plays in a team of them. Yes he is the best cumbersome thug out there, but that is all. He still can't pass or play actual football.}

11 Feb 2016 11:50:45
😄 others got there before me on the Live Chat the other night.
We already have Grujic coming in, hopefully Markovic coming back and possibly Matip. We probably do need some more talent but I'd rather see our coaches get the most out of what we've already got first.

{Ed001's Note - you've lost me? I haven't looked at the live chat logs yet.}

11 Feb 2016 12:00:32
There was a bit of man-love for Eds 1,2 and 3 going on.

{Ed001's Note - understandable, Ed03 has plenty of man love to go round that is for sure.}

11 Feb 2016 16:17:25
I must admit I did say I firmly believe ed003 is fergie out of the black eyes peas lol.

{Ed001's Note - he is closer to Fergie who used to manage United.}

11 Feb 2016 17:02:28
Oh don't say that ed001 lol I might actually believe that haha.

{Ed001's Note - they went to school at the same time mate. Half 8 every morning.}

11 Feb 2016 10:04:31
I don't know if this is okay with the eds but I'm watching a interview with Jay mckenna from spirit of shankley on redmen tv from yesterday and it's a decent watch if anyone got an hour on there hands it's free to watch on youtube.

11 Feb 2016 10:26:42
It's called how to fix liverpool I should of included that in the first place.

11 Feb 2016 09:06:34
It's a tricky debate. On one hand, I want the club to have the most money possible for obvious reasons.
On the other hand I want it to be affordable for Everyone to watch their team.

My view: paying £77 would be more justified if we had Top class players winning trophies.
Nobody should be priced out of game at Anfield when we've got a team only capable of 9th in the premier league.

{Ed002's Note - Nobody was being priced out of a game at Anfield. The £77 tickets related to 200 seats for a total of six games a season. It is not about that nonsense - it is about driving the owners out.}

11 Feb 2016 09:19:52
agree with Ed, some times we don't realise we are on to a good thing. if these owners drop us then we will know about it.

11 Feb 2016 09:33:28
It would be a travesty if we lose the support of the owners. I'm glad the ticket argument was resolved - full credit to the them.

Anyone wanting to remove FSG must be off their rocker given the sensible way they've approached most things to do with the club (no one's perfect) .

11 Feb 2016 10:25:02
Thankfully the owners agree with us fans and not ed002,after sitting down and thinking about it!

{Ed002's Note - Try not to make yourself look like an idiot. They were being threatened and gave in - as I explained (and perhaps you don't grasp), this £77 relates to a handful of seats for half a dozen games. The target is not that but forcing the owners to sell and now using the tactic of bring financial pressure through attacks on the club sponsors.}

11 Feb 2016 10:37:22
I don't believe FSG are bad owners. We could have a lot worse.
Some ex players need to move on. and let the Club move on without their interference and influence.

11 Feb 2016 10:34:34
I can see this all ending in tears, I'm forced to agree with you Ed02, the sad thing is the criticism hasn't stopped.
I honestly believe this is a case of 'be careful what you wish for'
Didn't hear anybody complaining about FSG when they got us out of the mess left by H+G, but let's hound them out and end up with far worse owners! That sounds like a good plan.

11 Feb 2016 11:32:46
What is there reason to drive the owners out? They've come in helped the club out of the mess the last owners had us in. They've given us plenty of cash to spend on transfers. New stand, new sponsors. Maybe there is something I don't see with them, that would cause these fan groups to want to get rid.

11 Feb 2016 11:02:21
Why the pretence to consult with fans?
It was supposed to be 4000 tickets on general admission and 4000 hospitality of the new capacity.
But an extra 834 tickets were designated as 'lower-level hospitality' and priced at £175 for Category A games, £100 for Category B and £85 for Category C.
What lower-level hospitality is has not been revealed. Maybe a box of popcorn or a soda-pop with your seat.

11 Feb 2016 11:33:59
ED02, we had this debate a few days ago and it isn't just 200 seats @ £77 that was the problem, there is thousands up from £59 to between £62 and £75, so to give a fair view on it that needs to be mentioned as does the free seats and £9 seats for people to decide on the pro's and con's of any changes.

Again, as per our debate a few days ago you will know I am not one of those who want FSG out, it will now be interesting to see if the SOS or any other fan groups protest at the removal of categories which effectively puts the prices of games up v Bournemouth, Watford etc etc, I know you say the SOS want FSG out, maybe over the next few days we will find out if your assumptions are correct.

Also Ed, you have mentioned a number of times that the ultimate aim of SOS is for fan ownership of the club, I'm not sure anyone who knows the background to "Share Liverpool " I think it was called would feel it is ever possible to reach that aim as when the idea was floated about fans injecting money it never came anywhere near enough to be able to buy the club and I am sure all from SOS are aware of that, maybe you are wrong in assuming that is the ultimate aim of SOS. Be interesting to hear from any SOS member who has a view on that.

{Ed002's Note - SOS were the ones who wanted the categories removed. I am not wrong with what the ultimate aim of SOS is and I am not sure why you want to suggest I am.}

11 Feb 2016 14:42:24
It's literally on the SoS website under ''About" -> "Aims" -> "Ultimate Aim", 18and5

- Supporter ownership of Liverpool Football Club.

12 Feb 2016 01:15:23
SOS are nutters.

11 Feb 2016 08:38:39
Just a question about the eds' opinions. I'm really interested to know how they think Leicester winning the league (if they do) would affect not only Liverpool, but the league as a whole? Do you see it bringing any drastic changes, or more lower teams challenging? Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - it would increase interest around the world massively, even the Spanish, who take no notice of anything outside of Spain, are actually noticing what is going on now. Not sure it would make much difference other than that though.}

11 Feb 2016 17:02:08
its quite funny the reaction of the pundits/ experts who claim its a breath of fresh air, when you can tell on the looks on there faces they don't know what to make of it. how long will it be before we get told its been the worst pl in history just because the big teams have had there noses put out of joint. Leicester at the very least deserve cl football next season, next year it will be a different story as they will be a marked side. a good team with great fans and good owners. this is what makes football great. a big weekend for the top 4 coming up.

11 Feb 2016 06:09:57
Really happy that FSG have resolved the price issue. I think it is a good compromise.

I think it as close to a win win as possible.

Lets get behind the club again. Now that Couts, Sturridge and Origi are back, I hope things turn around for us.

Lets finish the season on a high. Best of Luck!

PS : Hope to God that there are no more injuries.

11 Feb 2016 05:23:39
ed 1 do you think that Jordan ibe could be converted to a striker? I have been thinking about it, everytime I see him play but watching him when he came on as a sub last week to me he seems lost out wide. he is well built can dribble past players and has a tremendous shot on him so I was wandering if you think he can change roles? i'm not knocking him I rate him as a player. am I seeing something that isn't there? or is it just simply he is out of form and that's why he looks bad as a winger. he was bought back from derby to early imo, but that's a different story. thanks ed.

{Ed001's Note - yes, I have said it a few times in the past, I think he needs to move further forward. He would stretch the play, for starters, as opponents would drop deeper, like they do when Sturridge is there. Plus his power and pace would be much more use right in the danger areas.}

11 Feb 2016 05:47:25
Actually with sturridge back. I think they could play ibe sturridge and firmino all interchanging and taking turns to be striker. That would be interesting and a nightmare for defenders. Ibe have the pace and power and also dribbling skills to be striker. With all 3 interchanging, that will free up lots of space.

11 Feb 2016 05:52:27
I think something needs to change as he is playing poorly on a regular basis at the moment and looks lost out on the right - I'd be happy to see him switched to alternate positions to see if we can get more effective performances out of the lad.

11 Feb 2016 06:04:14
I think Ibe needs to be taken out of the spotlight, and one thing he struggles with is finishing, so it makes little sense for me to put him up top. Also, Klopp plays 1 up top and Ibe would struggle playing with the bag to the goal and this would eliminate his one big strength, directness with pace.

{Ed001's Note - he struggles with finishing out wide, it is a totally different game in the middle where chances are, or should be, as often likely to be toe pokes as a long range hit.}

11 Feb 2016 07:12:28
if you look at the 3 goals he has scored for us I think he has the making of a good finisher. let's not forget it was his calm finish that got us to Wembley. also ed 1 playing through the middle would give him less time to think. he maybe more of an instinctive type of a player. he will benefit from working under klopp.

{Ed001's Note - I think so too, I think he struggles when he is made to consider what to do.}

11 Feb 2016 07:30:59
I'd like to see him play at the tip of the diamond like Sterling played, he has the pace, he can beat a man and he has the finishing.
I'd like to see Firmino and Sturridge as the 2 ahead of him.

11 Feb 2016 08:43:40
Ibe is in the mould of a striker. Why he hasn't been playing there when we've had no center forwards baffles me.
Just goes to show though, in all honesty he's nowhere neer as good as people made out on here.
Heaped pressure on him and he's buckled. Just give him time and stop comparing him to better players, he's just a kid.

11 Feb 2016 08:48:23
Honestly Ron you've got something there. Ibe just behind Firmino and Sturridge could be deadly. Coutinho somewhere nearby to provide the creativity and Milner tactically positioned in the changing rooms and that would be a forward line to contend with.

11 Feb 2016 09:00:41
Yeah Annie, I thought about Coutinho at the tip instead of Ibe but for some weird reason Couts plays better on the left than centrally. I thought about Lallana at the tip but Ibe has the pace to break from the tip of the diamond which Sterling also had and he has a decent shot on him. It's easier to man mark a player like Lallana.

I'd have Couts and Hendo in central midfield as per 2013/ 14 the difficult one is the holding mid. Lucas? Too immobile, Can? Drops a bit too deep but has potential.

11 Feb 2016 09:02:11
In my opinion IBEs decision making is not good enough to play at the tip of the diamond. I'm with Ed001 and believe he could be a success up top where his pace, power and directness could be better utilised.

11 Feb 2016 09:45:54
I'd rather see Firmino tip of the diamond and Ibe/ Sturridge up front. A lot of play needs to go through the no.10 and Ibe's passing and decision making is nothing like Firmino's.

Coutinho can then drop back as part of a midfield 3 like we played him in 13/ 14. I think we've missed his creativity in the midfield and his ability to receive the ball with a back to defender, spin and link up with the forwards (not just passing it straight back to CBs to push it out wide again) .

A midfield 3 of Lucas, Hendo and Coutinho has the perfect mix of defence, box to box and creativity IMO (with perfect subs in Can, Milner and Texeira) .

11 Feb 2016 13:01:34
I think he's looking a little tired tbh. But he has lacked a little in recent games.

Very good point, i'd never thought about him playing as a striker but i think it could happen. he can shoot with both feet and is built with pace and power!

10 Feb 2016 21:23:08
Benny and ed01 podcast about last night's match by any chance please.

11 Feb 2016 10:21:20
Or a podcast on the value of Aston Martins?

{Ed001's Note - well we certainly couldn't do it on the ticket prices as he would only end up crying and needing north to step in and rescue him..... ;-)

11 Feb 2016 13:23:52
We can discuss your love for Maggie thatcher instead. What a great woman.

{Ed001's Note - oh now you have gone too far. Insult my mother, fine, but you just crossed a line!}

11 Feb 2016 17:06:50
ouch bb that's a low blow, ed 1 go listen to tramp the dirt down by elvis Costello and cheer yourself up.