Liverpool Banter Archive June 11 2014

11 Jun 2014 22:05:02
Shanec95 where are you from?

11 Jun 2014 23:53:43
Longford Ireland lad

Hon' the town! A longford lad like myself.

12 Jun 2014 07:20:56
Corkman , where are you located?

12 Jun 2014 09:14:05
my wifes from Longford we were there in may. she has lived in wales for 50 years but we still go back t least once year

12 Jun 2014 13:21:03
You in the supporters club in town matlock24?

I'm actually living in exile in Kilkenny. I have not been back to my longwegian roots in quite some time.

11 Jun 2014 21:04:34
Is anyone else finding it hard to be bothered about the world cup this year.

Not at all the season ended weeks ago and now there's something to watch again. Won't watch every game but will be nice to come home from work and switch on the footy.

Hopefully a few more signings will be made just before and then there's extra interest in new signings playing for their countries too.

I've put a sneaky bet on Uruguay to win it keeps it a bit more nteresting too.

11 Jun 2014 21:25:23
Chile are a decent outside bet as well.

Ive done uraguay, and i'm going to do suarez as the top scorer, I will watch as much as I can,

I was told that on a betting site, it was 40/1 for Brazil to win with Fred the golden boot winner, seems like tasty odds to me!

Does anyone else think that the quality of international football is falling too far behind club football? The big name players hardly turn up for the friendlies organised during the football season and there always seems to be this lack of playing together in all teams. I think the world cup is not what it used to be. Playing in the heat of Brazil is also going to take some pace out of the game too. I'm certainly going to watch as much of it as I can. I'm intrested to see how players like Sterling deal with the situation and see if they manage to stand out. I'll be looking to see if there is a player who could effectively win the tornament for a team like Maradonna did (looking at you Suarez). But as a football spectacle, I'd rather see the premiership and champs league.

Well judging by the name tirconnail its easy to see why u are haha

Well I can honestly say I expect to watch England with the same hope I always do but will end up being bored by our lack of creativity and guts, and by the team selection.

11 Jun 2014 20:30:59
Get well soon Ian st. John. Legend

11 Jun 2014 19:50:46
is it any wonder Suso is not happy? He is watching BR trying to buy similar players for huge amounts of money while he has to go out on loan to get game time? how would you feel? I feel for the lad.

Oh yes especially when he is demanding first team football yet no clubs in Spain where he played for a whole season seem to be interested in taking him at what seems to be very affordable.

Way too much hype if you had to ask me.

I read just after his debut that he was talented ect but it also said that he was arrogant and moody as a youngsters so maybe has attitude is why Rogers has no time for him

11 Jun 2014 22:54:57
Arrogant?? Isn't that what rodgers is? All good players have to be arrogant

You can only be arrogant if you have proved yourself at a high level and to your coach that you deserve to be in the line-up. Being arrogant having proved NOTHING is stupid and a useless show of false pride.

Well as for "demanding" first team football? you make it sound like Suso broke Rodgers door down! I think there are some young players who are not given a decent run to show what they are capable of, (i don't mean 10/15 minutes) Suso has been reasonably patient waiting for a run in the side and it hasn't happened, shame I think, if he goes he goes, I do question the transfer policy when it's being reported we don't have the funds to buy players but want to spend £25 million to replace untested(first team) talented youngsters we already have, just my thoughts.

I think you've got to look at the manager to deal with the situation like Suso. I think letting him go would be a massive failure for BR, Liverpool and the our acadamy. You've got to give the kids a real opportunity IMO. Flanno only got an opportunity because of injury and he proved everyone wrong. Now he's looking at being replaced by some 20 million big shot from spain. If Suso wants to play for Liverpool give him a chance. To be quite frank, he would bring a lot more to the final 15 minutes of a match than Gerrard does these days.

And this comes back to us as fans. Are we prepared to give the youngsters a chance even if this means we won't be winning the premiership for another few years? Would you prefer to buy in mercaneries for overnight success? For me Man city can win the league with that aproach, so long as we are moving forward, creating football, playing great attacking football and creating footballers, who will be the envy of Man City tomorrow - feck winning the PL. When we do it, we'll earn it.

I don't think flanno is looking at being replaced Ace, he's going to be moved to rightback.

11 Jun 2014 19:03:53
Looks like Lovren wants to join us, at 12 million I would rather take him than lallana at 25million, think defensive positions are more important to fill at the moment

{Ed001's Note - in what way does it look like he wants to join us? He does have a number of options on offer for leaving Southampton, I don't see what has suggested we are his first choice.}

I've heard Barca and Tottenham but don't know for certain, but he did say he wants CL football so surely that rules out Tottenham?

Has he said he want CL football Ed? Not sure if that's a must but Spuds can't offer that. Although Roma can suppose.

{Ed001's Note - and so can Barca, I would expect there will be others who will pop there oar in too.}

Aren't barca linked with marquinhos! Wouldn't lovren be a 2nd choice to him!

{Ed001's Note - why would he be second choice?}

We are his first choice last summer he basically did everything to get Liverpool to sign him.

11 Jun 2014 16:54:34
Would prefer someone like varane from Real Madrid to sort out our defence problems for 25m instead of lallana .

{Ed002's Note - That is also not going to happen.}

Would love to have him but it's definately a no go. Varane was once mentioned by Mourinho as the "best young defender" in the world, so if real madrid rate him as little as half the praise by mourinho then there is no way they are completating on selling him off.

{Ed002's Note - Varane is a target for another club - not Liverpool.}

I can see what your saying. Completely agree we should be concentrating on Defence. Expecially CB, the players we have at Centre half are just not good enough for where we are going.
The player in question is never happening though mate

J.Boateng for 20m

{Ed002's Note - Not going to happen.}

11 Jun 2014 16:39:47
hi eds/all. I can't say I know to much about transfers but I always thought when you bought the player especially big clubs that have a few bob, the money would be paid and you get your lad, now I reading the papers r 'rtfp'and its saying there looking for afew bob more, and some are saying they want Liverpool to pay a bigger slice of the transfer up front in the moreno case.is this the norm with most transfers say over 10-15million with most clubs r is it just this is the way Liverpool are trying to do it cause it was the same with lallana was being paid in stages to from what I picked up.and if this is the case with say Liverpool trying to get players over the 15million mark. That the transfer fee, the payments are structured over a certain period of time and if so isn't that like hp meaning we might pay a bit extra doing it this way, r do things stay the same, and lastly if that's the way Liverpool do there buying where is the money the club made this year and the supposedly 60-80 million I hearing since may br was going to have for transfers.thanks ed

{Ed002's Note - It is like reading Jack Kerouac again. I am not going to try and explain the finances (obviously).}

There isn't a bank account with money sitting in it & Liverpool send x figure & we still have x figure remaining they will push the pennies around & scrape through a payment & do the same next year for the next installment. Our owners aren't close to being wealthy enough to pay all in one go. Are you for real thinking they have this money sat in an account waiting to go?

{Ed002's Note - Why even bother typing this ill-informed crap?}

11 Jun 2014 19:18:08
Yeah fanatic that was pretty rough.

Whys it so difficult for fans to grasp? They are discussing massive amounts of money. Liverpool want the player,, they're willing to sell,,, they agree a price,,, we want to pay so much upfront and more over time,,, but they want all/more money upfront than Liverpool are proposing.
So they're negotiating

11 Jun 2014 16:00:24
left back question.
Would Schennikov be a possibility?
or would he be judged not good enough/not ready?

{Ed002's Note - Not going to happen.}

11 Jun 2014 15:26:38
Just a quick suggestion guys, maybe if we start using a bit more common sense it will make things easier. There is nothing more frustrating than seeing post after post asking about Shaqiri/ Moreno with an answer from the Eds to read the posts. Seriously guys if you come on the page and about 3 posts beneath you there is someone asking the same question who has been told to read the posts then don't waste everyones time and just read them yourself. I spend a lot of time on this site especially and when there is a genuinely intersting question asked followed by a knowledgable response that is when it is at its most interesting. If I see one more RTP or UTSF I might just go crazy.
Rant over.
Thanks
Jack!

I don't know do half of them even come back on to see whether or not they even got any responses.

Thats what I always think Sean do they literally come to the site don't bother looking ask the question and then just come back a couple of hours later to see they have to read the posts? Where in Ireland are u Sean?

11 Jun 2014 20:49:20
Yep, it's one reason why I rarely post on here as well. I'd just be repeating what the majority of posters have already said. To me, it's a good daily news update in line with the official LFC website.

For me this is the one and only LFC website. My most visited page by a country mile

Ya and visiting the page loads and reading the same thing every few posts is incredibly annoying. I don't know how the Eds do it. And I'm in the South West Jack, how about yourself

And I actually think some people who ask questions or post banter don't even come back a few hours later. Well if they do then it's just odd when people get back on their topic and they don't even acknowledge it or engage any further.

11 Jun 2014 14:24:40
Moreno finally could be on his way, medical tomorrow reported in Spanish media. Should hear about this on Sky soon, if correct. He will be a great addition, just need Kono. Oh how I wish for Xabi to return. Never had pace to lose and didn't need any, he'll still be amazing in his late thirties. bring him home Brendan.

I hope your right Dutchy.

That's about the 5th. medical the Spanish media have had him booked in for in the past two weeks.

I'll believe it when I see it!

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

Maybe Zaf just loves getting his hands on Alberto?

They are running on spanish time. You can't rush spanish time.

11 Jun 2014 13:25:58
I personally would be gutted to see Suso move on, and if it is only for 4 million, i'd keep him and try and get him a commitment the following year if he proves himself, the most we could lose is £4m and his wages, or he could be the next big thing for us.
We have all seemed to think Rodgers believes in the Youth, but could this not be because he has HAD to use them due to the small squad?
I just think it would be a big waster to lose Suso, and hope he stays on.
Anyone agree with the fact the BR might not be the big believer in the youth policy that we thought he was?

Suso wants to play week in week out, we cannot gurantee him that kind of game time, when Rodgers first came in he wasn't expected to get the results he has been (he also had to use the youth due to lack of quality in the squad), now after the season we've just had, the expectancy has risen, if the youth are good enough they'll play, but not week in week out like Suso is requesting.

{Ed002's Note - You seem to be making this up. Sorry.}

Suso wants regular football not to prove himself.brendan can't guarantee him that so he needs to play somewhere else

11 Jun 2014 19:04:42
I agree he wants to play. But the end of the day he is still contracted to the club for 12 months. For the sake of 4m (i know it is a lot of money, but compared to his potential value it is little) why not keep him. Try and get him in a few games and keep him happy and give him a chance to prove he is ready. If he won't sign at the end of next season then we have lost 4m, but he may have had a few decisive inputs to help us in the season.
Otherwise if he proves himself and is happy we get him signed up!
Just seems stupid to let someone go with so much potential.
Eds. Do you think he is a player ready for premier league appearances? He certainly seems it

{Ed001's Note - I think he is ready, he just needs the chance to prove it imo.}

11 Jun 2014 23:07:47
Suso is a good player, and I would like to see him given the opportunity to play at this level. It does look like he'll be off though, it will be a sad day if he does. If he goes there porto will turn him into a superstar and flog him for ridiculous amounts in a couple of years. They are the ultimate selling club and know a bargain when they see one.

11 Jun 2014 13:03:01
Is it just me that would prefer Suso to get more game time than shelling out 25m on Lallana. Now I'm selfish and would prefer both, lol

However like I posted in the January window, I would hate to see us go down the route of signing players at the cost off some of the talent we currently have coming through.

and to be fair to Suso he has seen the emergence of Sterling into a full international, and my opinion just wants the same oppotunity to shine. which he is thinking is probably not going to happen if we spend 25 million on a very simular player (6 year older, who was no where near the same level as Suso at the same age)

I am not trashing Lallana btw, think he's a great player. but lol

11 Jun 2014 13:20:18
I had the smiliar view below. I don't want to compare Suso and Lallana at this stage. But Players like suso Texiera (Technically gifted) would go and become world class 9/10 times.
Where would have been Wilshere, If wenger bought players at will.

At 20 years old Torres was not as good as Neil Mellor. My point being it's better to judge players on their rate of development.

Suso has developed well, but Lallana is a top player too. I too think Suso will be a great player, however he is a different player to Lallana. He cannot cross it anywhere near to the same level, he is not a quick, he does not have the same work rate, he is not as strong and he is more of a Juan Mata type than Lallana who is more the David Silva type. I mean this as in Suso is less direct and not as much of a flair player. He's creative, don't get me wrong. However he slows the game down all the time to do some tricks or switch the play. Whilst Lallana will get the ball, trun with it and drive forward or look for a forward pass.

It's a pointless comparison basically as they're different players. I honestly though Suso would do well in Rodgers tiki taka style. We don't play tiki taka anymore though. Whilst our game is still based around technical ability, it's much faster and we try to do more with the ball attack wise. The likes of Sterling, Coutinho, Lallana and Teixeira suit this philosophy. Alberto and Suso don't.

Please don't think I'm anti Suso. I wrote an article on here tipping him to become a better player than both Alberto, Teixeira and Coutinho. It just hasn't worked out for him and he's not willing to stay and fight for a place. He doesn't want to adpat to our style. He wants to go and be automatic first choice elsewhere, so what should we do?

Suso probably will be as good as Mata one day, maybe better. I'm dissapointed by the reported fee we'll get to be honest. I'd want at least £10m but the player wants out and that affects his value.

It's a shame to see him go, but if we hld onto him for another year and he doesn't break int the team, we could really damage his development and that's not fair. We are not Chelsea. Wrecking young players with talent by letting them rot on the bench is not our style (not since Rafa left anyway!). Let the lad go and light up La Liga Portuguesa and put a sell on clause in his contract for 25% or something because he'll have a big money move at some point in his career.

Right now, he's not what we need. Lallana is clearly what Rodgers thinks we need though.

Agree 100% EMS

Any club that gets Lallana for 25m will get a good deal, imo. A highly intelligent player who can turn defence into attack with minimum fuss. Fits our style of play perfectly.

Suso is talent and potential. But he has proven nothing in the EPL, unlike Lallana. If he doesn't want to stay and fight for a place, then it is best for all that he move one.

"At 20 years old Torres was not as good as Neil Mellor."

Sorry m8, but I couldn't believe what I was reading there.

As a youngster, Torres was one of the brightest prospects in European football. Great things were expected from him.

He won in the 2001 U-16s European Championships and finished as the tournament's leading scorer, and was also named the player of the tournament.

He won the 2002 UEFA European Under-19 Football Championship. Again, he finished as top scorer and was named player of the tournament (a prestigious award).

By the time he was 20, he had two seasons of scoring double-figures in La Liga under his belt, was named as captain of Athletico Madrid and received his first caps (and scored first goals) for Spain. He was destined for greatness.

Neil Mellor was Neil Mellor.

No disrespect to him, but his abilities were limited, just like a lot of other over-hyped 'local lads' over the years. He couldn't hack it as a pro. Mad comparison.

12 Jun 2014 16:27:33
haha mellor the same as torres, come on man your reviewing players for this website and then comparing them two as been on the same level when they where younger. keep making assesments like that and all your player reviews will lose creditability

11 Jun 2014 12:20:30
Is it just me that has doubts as to whether buying Lallana is good business at anything over 12-15 Mill?
He is 26 I had not really noticed him until the last 2 seasons he has only just been considered for England it all smells a bit rotten to me TBH
YNWA

{Ed002's Note - No it is not just you Mutley - he is a prospective Liverpool player so will be trashed as not good enough for Liverpool with some irrational comment about the money.}

11 Jun 2014 12:43:50
Further more, The only reaosn torres has been at the recieveing end is just of his price tag.
If he was bought at 10 mill, No one would utter a word If he miss sitters after sitters.

You probably only noticed him 2 years ago because that was his first season in the premier league.

Premier league teams including Liverpool enquired about him 4/5 years ago when he was still playing in League 1. He has been deemed good enough for the prem for years. He stayed loyal to Southampton though and helped them get back to the Premier league.

It's not that he's only just started playing well, it's that people have just started noticing him playing well. For example I bet you didn't know he scored 20 goals in one league 1 season just 4 years ago as a 21/22 year old? He has always been class, it's just most people don't care about the lower divisions; the same divisions which we plucked the likes of Kevein Keegan and Ian Rush from back in the day. It's not about where you are coming from, it's about where you are going. Lallana is going to the top.

At the end of the day, he's the saints captain and their most important player. To us he might just be another midfielder, but to them he embodies the club and is the most critical cog in their well oiled machine. We are not buying a single player, we are dismantling their carefully constructed team and that costs you extra money. He's not some reserve/sub they can easily replace or want to sell. He is Southampton FC.

11 Jun 2014 13:08:17
Adam

I agree with your views on Lallana and I share some of it. But I woudlnt splash the cash just like that to get him or anyone. that's somthing we should avoid doing so. We have to find another alternative. Liverpool play with pace, And we are deadly on counter attacking, Lallana and southampton doesn't play such. What if he couldn't adapt?

I agree Harry. Lallana to us is not worth £30m. But if that's what he's worth to Southampton and we still want him, you pay what the club wants or walk away. Negotiating with a team who don't want to sell or need the moeny is a waste of time.

Lallana isn't quick in body, but he is quick in mind. He turns on the ball very fast and has the vision to turn defence into attack very fast. He likes to up the tempo. He doesn't slow the game down, and people are over playing his lack of pace. He's not quick, but he's as fast as Coutinho who fits out style just fine.

11 Jun 2014 13:50:08
Adam

I am still not convinced that price mate, I have no problem with the player. But that would suerly end our persiut on a winger. IBE would then be kept.
I wanted a pacy LW.

11 Jun 2014 14:12:14
Ed002, So ................

{Ed002's Note - You don't understand about the money Harry, just stop mentioning it at all please.}

Harry, you have to understand that the 30 mil you are reporting for lallana is a price set by the club who are trying to keep their assets and prevent them from being prized away, whether you or any other fan for that matter don't agree witht that price tag is of no concern to the transfer committee we have, and if they feel they need the player and is worth taking the risk on, then they will go for it, if not we move on to the next one, my own 2p is that I would love lallana in a Liverpool shirt next season, even if we end up selling suso who imo lacks the discipline

This is not a dig at you Cyprus I've noticed that when we bid for a player we get shot down if it's not what the players club want but when we value our players example assaidi/Reina we are asking to much a certain Ed says

11 Jun 2014 12:15:18
An ideal and realistic summer transfer window in addition to Can and Lambert would be:

LB: Ricardo Rodriguez
CB: Lovren
AM: Shaqiri
RW/LW: Tello

I wonder what the chances are.

{Ed002's Note - About zero.}

We are interested in Moreno, not Rodriguez.

Shaquiri has stated he wants to stay at Bayern so that's up in the air.

Tello is going the other way on loan as part of the Claudio Bravo deal.

Lovren is just about the only one of them that might be possible if we submit an acceptable offer to Southampton.

{Ed002's Note - Just to be clear, Everton are talking to Barcelona about Tello.}

11 Jun 2014 12:40:33
I don't think we would be getting anyone of the above.

Did Sociedad not want Tello then Ed or was that not technically part of the deal? My apologies, I just re-called you saying Barca were sending him there on loan. Cheers for the correction though.

{Ed002's Note - It is simply another option.}

Ed am I right in assuming we are not showing any signs of rekindling our interest in Tello?

{Ed002's Note - RTFP and use the search engine.}

Lovren has indicated that he would like to follow his former manager to spurs!?

11 Jun 2014 10:38:19
Hey Eds and gents

For one I'm excited about Lambert (we all Liverpool fans and know what we would do if we were given the chance Lambert is getting) I expect the same from Lambert:)

I'm more excited about the bench we might have next season impact players Lambert, Borini(really hope he stays), sterling or continuo(think one of them will be coming from the bench with the likes of lallana or shaquiri starting). Imagine being a defender on the opposition team and seeing these players warming up on the touch line.

Lots to smile about Reds:)

11 Jun 2014 10:50:17
The two players we bought are squad players, I don't see both rushing straigh into the starting 11.
I am waiting for first team players.
Moreno and Lallana are the most possible names.

It depends though surely. If merono arrives and plays badly for a few games he will likely sit on the bench and the same could go for Can or lambert. They make get their chance and make it impossible for BR to take them off

11 Jun 2014 11:09:26
I agree Harry. No defender wants to be facing Suarez(if he stays) and Sturridge for 70mins and see Lambert about to come on, its a hole different ball game to keep him quiet:)

It will be interesting to see how Rodgers deals with his substitutions. It is obvious that he doesn't like taking Luis off, so does that mean that Studge will be taken off most games? It was also be good to see if Rodgers may possibly try three forwards. He used a lot of different formations last year, so I am sure he will think of a way to use all three at some point.

I just hope Rickie gets a goal quickly seeing as he won't be starting Many games it could become a mental problem if he doesn't score after say 10 sub appearances

11 Jun 2014 10:28:30
Ed002, if the truth is (as is being widely reported) that Sevilla want the cash up front and we are not sure about agreeing to this, could you tell me why we don't want to pay up front? Is there some financial advantage in paying in instalments? Thank you.

{Ed002's Note - It is the obvious, the money won't be there to do that.}

Sorry Ed tp ask

Do you ecpect us to move on to other options then. I doubt from what's been said a deal will be reached.

{Ed002's Note - I have explained that there is an option if this cannot be resolved.}

If the money isn't there then maybe we should look at alternatives to Lallana. I don't think it makes sense over paying for a player by 5-10 million for him and not using that money on a player (Moreno) in a position we really need to strengthen. The LFC transfer committee leaves me scratching my head when they put certain values on players.

{Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that - this is why we don't discuss money.

11 Jun 2014 00:46:18
Valdes to Liverpool? Be a great signing

{Ed002's Note - No chance.}

He is not that good of a keeper and his wages and signing on fee would be well over over what we would offer making the transfer a no go.

Sooner pitch for marshall or another younger upcoming keeper than high wages of valdes and some injury issues too

{Ed002's Note - Valdes is not an option. Marshall is one of three goalkeepers Arsenal has been looking at.

Take a glance at Darlow from Nottingham Forest.}

Will have a look Eds, thanks. Hearing we are showing interest in the Darlow but know nothing of him. I shall have a peak now

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea has shown an interest in Darlow as well.}

11 Jun 2014 00:18:19
As an Irish red I find it hard not to support England in this forthcoming World Cup. I think they deserve to do well, if not go all the way and win it. Gerrard and the other kop lads deserve it after missing the EPL title. So best of luck to England and my fellow English red fans.

11 Jun 2014 08:00:39
Therz no chance. I would be happy If England get into QF or above. We will have to beat Italy in the first game. that's a massive ask.

As an English, I find it really hard to support England in the WC, you've got to love England and hate football to enjoy that dross they put on the pitch. I just can't get enough of that King and Country garbage flowing through my veins to get behind that premadonna, overrated, moneybag Rooney prancing around on the field - ''nice to hear your own fans booing you'' - anyone with a bit of loyalty to England should have shot him for desertion last world cup and Euros.

11 Jun 2014 08:57:23
Its been a decade Rooney had a decent competition. I pray He gets dropped for the right player.He isn't making any kinda impact from quiet a long time, Instead its actually disrupting the formation.

Id play barkley before rooney. england looked a threat with sterling, barkley and ox the other night.

OMG!

I actually agree with Home Fan!

I'll get me coat.

England do not have the guts to play good football. Too much money and too much media pressure to make sure we get results and don't make individual errors.
We have some really exciting young players but then so do all the other teams in the world cup and likely as good or better than many of ours.
I think we may make quarters but that would be pretty good for us in all honesty

11 Jun 2014 11:20:34
If Roy grows the balls to set up with an attacking line up I can see England scoring at least 2 past the Italians.
As a Scot I am really worried England might actually do rather well this time round.