Liverpool Banter Archive November 11 2012
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11 Nov 2012 23:20:14
Glen Johnston back makes a huge difference.
Scrap international football. Roll on Saturday.
Ps. Is it true Dave whealan have picked the Liverpool starting 11 for Saturday. After all last summer in was able to tell his mates at sky everything that was going on at our club.
Marker
Dave Whelan has even predicted Saturday's correct result - 4-0 to Liverpool. Good one, Dave
cozinoz
11 Nov 2012 23:17:29
Hey Ed's.
Just a quick one, I read today that Chelsea may be looking to get rid of Marko Marin for whatever reasons, am guessing he just hasn't settled in. My question is, knowing Liverpool were interested in him last year before he ended up at Chelsea, do you think we may have a chance in January. Could do with a player like him in the final third.
Cheers
Gaz {Ed002's Note - I answered this earlier.}
11 Nov 2012 23:09:57
For me Allen doesn't offer much at all, he can't tackle, not much pace and every time I see him pass it forward he seems to lose it. He can pass backwards and side to side. I'm sorry but I don't rate the lad, he's just steady. I'd rather see Jonjo there instead the lads younger, stronger got better feet can hit them, tackles and just looks more confident. I really think the lad can shine. Also Suso should be playing ahead of sahin, he looks better and we seem to be a bit more direct. We seem to take an age to switch flanks. All in all despite my negativity I am happy with the progress I have seen. Don't expect so much lads this will take time. In a couple of years with the right attitude and hopefully a lot more luck! We shall rise again. YNWA
I rate Allen and Jonjo, i think Allen is vital with Lucas not being there.
I'd take Allen and Johnjo before Hendo, gutted he's not been able to show why Sunderland fans were raving about him every week.
11 Nov 2012 23:05:00
Is Brad not our 3rd choice with Doni missing as our 2nd choice?
12 Nov 2012 10:46:02
you've a good point there. Just out of interest, where is doni these days? {Ed002's Note - Brazil.}
11 Nov 2012 23:02:32
Hey do you think that Michu of Swansea could possibly be an option. I feel as though Gerrard no longer has the presence going forward as in the past but would be better suited in the Xabi Alonso deep role. Because of this, evidently from the Chelsea game, there is too big a gap between the midfield and forwards. A player like Michu would fill that gap and score goals. As much as we talk about scorer droubts, maybe Suarez up front and a player like Michu in the CAM role would be better suited than buying more strikers that wouldnt fill the void. Seen as Swansea got him for about £3Mil i can see them parting with him for about £10-15mil, which would be worth it in my opinion.
Complete lack of football knowledge...why would we need average footballers...we want top 4 not midtable
11 Nov 2012 22:55:05
I think it's been a blessing in disguise that we didn't get Dempsey, he's been dreadful for spurs. Save the money and get a wonder striker in January. Also siggidsen can't even get a game. Good job their transfer policy is copy ours.
Spurs lost Luka Average to Real where he's doing nothing much at all.
Tottenham then went silly and bought Dempsey, Dembele and Sigurdsson as Modric's replacement. XD
Dembele is very good and Dempsey played in the correct position is also very effective. Sigurdsson is also quite good but he was bought as an impact player albeit without his knowledge i suspect.
It's a shame we didn't buy Dempsey, played behind a striker he will be productive and his record for the U.S and Fulham stand as evidence of this. Everton are 4th and we are 8 places and 8 points away from them after 11 games.
I just hope we can grab some points before Christmas and then get a striker who finds he has a golden toe. Thing is everyone in the World of football knows Liverpool are dying and crying out for another striker so we will be held to ransom. There will be no leverage in negotiations and we will be spanked across any board table that is sat at.
11 Nov 2012 22:49:50
Why BR isnt putting Assaidi in the squad or even in the bench??!!
He was on the bench
Do u even try and research your comment for one minute to stop yourself looking like a complete tool...get a grip
Red Til Dead
11 Nov 2012 22:23:27
Ed, do we have any scouts around the Nottingham area? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea.}
11 Nov 2012 22:45:44
Michael Owen sporting some face fuzz that can only be for charity lol
MIKEY
12 Nov 2012 00:13:05
I liked seeing Owen getting the piss taken out of him by Alan Hansen for not scoring.
Jolly Red
11 Nov 2012 21:45:09
To sum up, a game of two halves today. Enrique and Glen Johnson played well throughout and fully took advantage of the 3-5-2 system. Thankfully the defence stood firm and really tightened up in the second half. Sahin, Allen and Gerrard were not at their best but they stuck to the task. Thought Suarez and Sterling played well together and Suso's introduction helped tip the game in our favour. I keep saying it, we need a busy, clever player in the middle and Suso can do this..he had heaps of talent. I like the 3-5-2 system, it gives us a more natural looking balance and gives us more attacking options, we missed Skertl today though. BR is capable of changing a game and I fully believe he has several different systems at his disposal, I just think its taken a while to implement his ideas. W have not lost for a while now and I believe we can continue that run..YNWA
We only got back in the game when Johnson went to left back and Wisdom went to right back.
The team changed when Suso came on to
........................Jones........................
...Wisdom ..Carragher...Agger....Johnson..
................Gerrard.....Allen...................
.....Suso.............................Enrique......
..............Sterling...Suarez....................
What game were you watching 3.5.2 in the 1st half and beginning of the 2nd was a disaster.
kidmillions
11 Nov 2012 21:38:12
10 Nov 2012 21:02:02
Got the team for tomorrow earlier, its on Liverpool teams now! Skrtel is out with a virus
Waro
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Waro you got 3 in a row ... Your friend passing this information to you is certainly in the know.
But I have a question, is it normal for the team sheet to leak a day earlier , most managers (Fergie , Arsene and Kenny to name but few) dont tell their own players who is playing till an hour or 2 before the game, Our management must be so confident they advertise it a day earlier, wow thats guts for you, who cares if the opposition knew the team and formation a day earlier.
Roy
11 Nov 2012 22:18:18
Somehow I doubt Ferguson, Wenger, AVB or any top manager keeps their beady eye out for Waro's team selection. All though gotta say fair play to him/her, he's been bang on the money.
JohnBoy
Hello Roy, to be honest I got the team the night before when Kenny was manager but was reluctant to post it because of the negative reaction you can get on here somtimes. I have posted the last few times because I thought F**K IT some of you might like the info, MIKEY and a few people commented positively to getting the team, then somebody posted that I got the team off facebook which I have never been on in my life and it makes you think why bother posting anything you know, when sum nugget basically calls you a liar.
Waro {Ed001's Note - you know exactly how it feels to be an editor, no matter what you say people just give you abuse, it's sad.}
Credit were its due. spot o waro o.
Marker
Waro,
I was not having a go at you , apologies if it felt that way. My point is the concern that our team sheet can leak a whole day ahead of the game. If your friend knew about it most likely others knew,your friend will probably told you and few others ... and if some sad poster suggesting the team list was actually on facebook then the club have a problem. As far as I remember the team sheet was a closely guarded secret , ist different these days?
Waro , once again I was not having a go, I really do appreciate the info.
Roy
Keep up the good info waro forget the nuggets
Thanks Waro, Keep 'em coming mate.
The real AG
Roy I wasn't having a go at you mate, just pointing out that some people lived upto what I thought origanlly, if you try and share info then there will always be an person who has a pop, and I was refering to the clown who replied to my post last night. Also to Ed001, I see what you mean now mate.
Waro
Thanks Waro.
12 Nov 2012 12:45:51
waro just copies these teams off facebook and claims the credit
12 Nov 2012 12:53:43
Thanks again for the info waro it's always appreciated by most of us on here.
Just keep an eye out for Jen Chang. I hear you're next on Jen's hit list lol
MIKEY
11 Nov 2012 21:27:37
Who thinks our second choice Keeper is doing brilliant.
Special thank you to Jones.
Well done son.
Steve068
11 Nov 2012 22:08:30
He played well today, but, and I'm sure I'll be shot down for this, but his distribution is a problem. He, as most goalies do, lofts his kicks when he decides to go beyond the centre half with a pass or clearance. That means opposition players have a bit of time to get to where the kick is going to challenge for it. And we're probably one of the shortest teams in the PL at the moment.
Reina's kicks travel faster because he doesn't get under them so much, so there's more scope for him to pick out a Liverpool shirt before the opposition get tight to our players and win the header. We don't want Reina or Jones to play long kicks, but sometimes they'll have to, and Jones had to quite a few times today and we lost possession every time.
I know it's a detail, but it's a detail that means opposition teams will have a much easier time getting the ball of us by pressing our goalie. I wonder could the coaching staff work on it with him in training...
- Something Red -
11 Nov 2012 21:26:12
Anyone had a look at the December PL fixtures for us? Looks really tasty and points are there for us to take. Need to keep El Pistolero in bubblewrap !
AsianRed
11 Nov 2012 21:25:38
Lets get positive, all this negativity is too much.
We have just nearly beaten the European Champions away from home with a very young team that can be together for a very long time.
Suso
Sterling
Suarez
Wisdom
Allen
Sahin
Agger
Lets not forget about Lucas, Skrtl, Robinson, Reina, Enrique, Shelvy who can be around for a long time also. If Giggs can play till 40 so can Gerrard.
If the manager is given money and buys wisely in the next couple of transfer windows then the future is going to be good.
Get positive, get behind the manager and pray that Suarez stays fit in the mean time.
Steve068
Difference between Giggs and gerrard is that stevie wants to play every game possible
Agree, however, Sahin not exactly 'ours' for the future. I really like Wisdom, though I think he (like Kelly) is a natural center back, and putting him at RB exposes his lack of crossing ability, which he doesn't need to be a center back.
I personally think Sama is a better CB than Wisdom and Kelly but they are in the team because they are diverse.
Does Enrique make a better Left Winger or what!!
i agree
we just need to add to what we have and by next season we will have a healthy squad to compete at a higher level.
there is just 3 players than need to move on and they are cole, downing and Henderson (he isn't getting game time and needs to realize that when Lucas comes back it will be one place further away from the starting 11. he probably will start to miss out on being in the squad sheet all together).
then replace the ones that are leaving which is 6; carroll, spearing, cole(wouldn't need replacing as we have assaidi and suso), downing, henderson & carragher.
11 Nov 2012 21:20:07
if i were rodgers i would be looking at siem de jong to sign in january, looks technically very good and can definately score!
also, eds, where was martin skrtel today?? he didnt even make the squad and theres nothing about his absence on the clubs website either
thanks {Ed001's Note - he has a bug.}
11 Nov 2012 21:18:38
Lets not forget Chelsea are a very good team; i thought we lost our way a bit after a decent start and finished quite strongly.
Not sure the 5 at the back suited us that well today; (not their fault) but before we changed formation the wing backs didn't offer lots going forward. Enrique's pace helped lots in defending situations though. Wisdom didn't have the best of games but thats just me being over critical.
i thought Sahin and Allen were poor today; but again against a good team.
Sterling impressed me when he did have the ball; strong and has a habit of finding space; i think he's come on loads. Still lots to do but he's going to look even better 2nd half of the season.
Suarez gave his all again; great player and Di matteo saying Suarez pushed Rameriz - Rameriz had hold of his shirt.
I thought Suso done well when he come on - good in possession and good decision making (if only Babel had been a good decision maker).
Big mention to BR for his ability to change formations; play a CB at RB, a RB at LB and a LB at Left Midfield and get a point.
With the right signings and return from injury of the players I think he'll do well - might have to wait till next season for that though.
Hoola
Thought the midfield was bypassed too easily today, highlighted how badly we miss Lucas.
Don't know whether this was to do with the formation change but we didnt look comfortable with it.
Overall a good performance though considering where Chelsea are in the league, the results they have had (beating Arsenal and Tottenham) and the players they have bought.
Icing on the cake was Torres not scoring then being subbed lol.
Jay
11 Nov 2012 22:10:44
Problem with our midfield is that Sahin and Allen don't have much strength or pace and Sahin in particular can be taken out of a game by getting tight to him very easily. Gerrard has strength, but his pace is now limited to short bursts. So unless our midfield three is getting every pass right, they're in trouble.
Lucas returning will help with that, I hope.
- Something Red -
11 Nov 2012 20:56:47
1-1, good result for us (No Skrtel, Shelvey and Reina) and there are good fixtures on the way. And there are many positives boys;
-Johnson back and bangin
-Lucas back at the end of the month
-Borini back at January
-New signings (hopefully) in Jan
-Jones is looking more and more like a first choice keeper
-BR showing his tactical genius by again mixing things up and getting us a point.
-Suso getting more and more involved in games, needs to be in the No.10 slot instead of Sahin instead of me.
-Who said Carra was past it? Showing exactly why he deserves a starting place these past few weeks
-Suarez showing his best form and he will carry on.
-Enriques back BOYZ!
Wigan next week keep them heads high lads, keep em up high.
AsianRed
I love it. Glass half full and all. I was equally optimistic to start the season. Less so after 12 points out of 33, but there is still 78 points to play for, and 90 points would win the league. However, I goal is top 7 (presumably, since BR said they are aiming for better than last year, which appears to be the revised target), and I think that would only require 55 - 60 points this year. So we need 48/78 points. I think that is completely within reach based on our performances. Pending what transpires in January, we could even pull 56/78, a remarkable return in the current PL. That would catapult us into to 5.
YNWA
I think Enrique was burnt out and he started to read comments on banter sites.
the problem with him is having too much time on the ball, he isn't a bright thinker on the ball and he also doesn't look up so that he can realize that there is a easier option (which he only takes 10% on the time).
11 Nov 2012 20:52:10
thought we were crap 1st half, subs 2nd half changed it for us, credit to BR......up the reds.... Enrique was the dogs b******* 2day, all round good team performance, not many teams are gonna go to chavski & get a result........ Jay spearings ghost
Enrique got man of the match. He was one of our better players. Stop jumping on the bandwagon with your bad analysis.
11 Nov 2012 20:47:06
Not so much a rumour as a question: what about the celebrations of Suarez´s goal today? Him alone by the flag, everyone else jogging back for the kick-off... LS not too well liked atm? Incident at Melwood? Bit too big head on Luis´shoulders after scoring streak last month? Anyone ITK?
No Suarez got his fair share of pats on the back ..but most of the players ran towards Carra.. Its a rare occasion when he is involved in a goal in any form.
Roy
Players went to celebrate with carra coz its his firstPL start in 2 years and he assisted the goal, im sure Suarez understands
Ur doom mongering tells me ur a rival fan just trying to stir things
Shak Attack
Jog on back to your own page mate, nothing wrong with it at all.
Sooty
Just look at the poor guys face when he turns around to realize he is on his own...
Haha yeh ino I felt bad for suarez when he turned around and realised he was on his own. He should've gone to thank the man though!
11 Nov 2012 20:44:39
Can someone please answer this question. Why when we get 25 million a year off Warrior and 20 million of standard charter are we not spending big money? Is it because of the lack of European money?? {Ed002's Note - The money from Standard Chartered is now less than that. This is the first year of the money from Warrior and it has added £12M or so to the income. But it takes a lot of money to run a football club and the club has been making significant losses.}
Joe Allen 15m, Borini 12m plus the 8m or so we were going to splash on Dempsey.....Id say thats pretty big money
Wasted money for no improvement i would think twice before i spent any more if i was fsg
11 Nov 2012 20:43:07
Jones has played the last few games and has done well. Once Reina is fit does Jones deserve to be dropped?
Bit of a selection problem for rodgers
Jones doesn't deserve to be dropped, he has made crucial saves, like today vrs el sulk, & we are unbeaten in 5 EPL games now. Whilst reina is a team player he has cost us points this season.
Jones form will b good for reina.
Jimbob
Jimbob we are unbeaten in 6 and have Wigan next week.
AsianRed
I must say... when Jones first played for us I cringed.... everytime near the ball.... but... must admit his form and his game ... *stands up and claps* a credit to him.... proved me wrong!
john a
Bang on guys, he's earned his place and should keep it on merit.
11 Nov 2012 20:41:37
I want Sterling to stay at Liverpool because he's class but more than that, Liverpool is the best place for him... he'd be lost at Man City and I think it could potentially hamper him as a player... I really hope his advisers can see the long term and not the short term money gains!
All he would have to do is look at scott sinclair, he will then realise he aint getting a game at city. that is if he wanted out which i very much doubt.
huddz red
Man City could ruin him,you only have to think of saun wright phillips,adam johnson,and lately sinclear. all wingers that were treated badly there. If he wants to progress as a player he is better off staying with a club where the manager rates him highly
His advisor's will simply see percentages
I think he is class but if he goes we can just put Ibe there. Plus Ibe is more of a 2 footed player. Then there is Texiera who looks like he could do well in that position. I can't wait to see Texeira Sterling Suso playing together.
11 Nov 2012 20:28:30
I was talking to a Man City fan at work today, he's a relative of ex Man City player Asa Hartford and claims he knows a few reserve teamers at City.
Long story short, he told me that Mancini is looking to get rid of Scott Sinclair either in January or summer, because Mancini never wanted him in the first place and he was signed by ex DOF Brian Marwood. He reckons Brendan Rodgers is very keen to bring Sinclair to Liverpool.
Just wondering if any of the Ed's or other posters on here had heard any similar rumours linking us with Sinclair?
I work with his son so where was you workin.
Red1
11 Nov 2012 22:13:07
It'll have to be the summer because Sinclair's played for two teams already this season. I don't think he's allowed play for a third.
- Something Red -
11 Nov 2012 20:19:11
impressed with Rodgers, against Everton realised the system was not working so he changed it and it changed the game, today again realised the system wasn't working changed it and worked again, good coaching.
Suarez is a diamond
Evered
Bang on !
Jargon .
He should have enough info to start with the proper tactics .
11 Nov 2012 20:15:17
jesus we could ve won that game today ,,suarez brilliant again god help us if he gets injured or banned be4 jan ,if only he had of tried to lob cech rather than take it round him close to the end,,god hope br gets backed to the hilt in jan cause wer creating some chances just need to finish them ,,but wer still 12points of 4th &6points of relegation so if we dont start winning soon wat class of player will join in jan cause if the draws dont turn to wins soon we,ll be buying sub standard players cause there the only 1s who will want to join,,hope our luck changes soon ,,,,,,,,,,,,IRISH RED
11 Nov 2012 20:55:49
If only this if only that. One thing I wouldn't do is tell one Luis Suarez how to play footy
JohnBoy
We are 8 points off 4th not 12. we can possibly get within 4 point off 4th by january. bring in a goal scorer & have a realistic chance of getting 4th
11 Nov 2012 20:10:02
Hi Ed's just wondering if there were any serious connections to Liverpool regarding transfers, preferably a striker? {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}
11 Nov 2012 20:01:17
Rafa has been gone a while now but it is his players that are keeping this team a float
Suso
Sterling
Reina
Agger
Johnson
Skertl
Kenny thank you for Suarez; however, I wish you would have bought Mata rather than Downing and Henderson but that is now history.
Roy thank you for ermmm...
Please mangement at LFC do better in the transfer market in future or we will sink further behind United.
Shelvey lucas wisdom too!
AZ
Roy
Konchesky
Poulson
Oh my word!!!
Rumour has it, Cole was not a Hodgson buy...
Enough said about Roy's signings.
Where is he now...
Oh he is managing the national team.
Not a bad reward for failure.
Enough said about Roy's signings.
Where is he now...
Oh he is managing the national team. Not a bad reward for failure.
^^^^^^^^
Its cause they couldn't find anyone else stupid enough to take the job.
Lil Red
Roy's face!! Comedy value mate, knowing that from a fan's perspective it looks like he's stressfully rubbing his face & quietly contemplating player substitutions, tactics and fomation changes to help the team, when in fact he's simply just trying to remember whether or not he locked his front door when leaving for work that morning!
Cuchulainn's Hounds
11 Nov 2012 20:01:15
"liverpools 57% possession today was the most by a visiting team at Chelsea in the PL since Arsenal in Feb 2010 via opta
Source: a website
And what's your point? It's goals that win games not possession.
Away against the european champions playing - 17 and 19 year old with our 2nd choice goalkeepr and 100 year old carragher shows us that progression is being made and the goals will come once we get a couple more attacking players
Try looking at thinga a bit more positively mate
11 Nov 2012 19:55:24
Sterling is immense. Might not have been his best game but he will be a world beater i have no doubt. Like Suarez he always wants the ball even if he's having a shocker, just wish some of our other lads played the same way
Randy Watson
11 Nov 2012 19:48:11
Those of you who are wondering why noone celebrated with Suarez, it's because everyone was running after Carra!
Jack. D
I think Suarez turned round after running to the fans expecting to be jumped on and no one was there lol, his face was priceless.
Tried to cover it up by geeing the crowd up lol, Carra deserved his praise tho, who would have believed he would assist our only goal today
Yeah, Carra got an assist. Not downplaying anything, but the goal scorer is everything. Carra just tried to get head to ball. Lucky bounce to Suarez. My proof? How about Carra's record.......I am happy for Carra, but Suarez is Liverpool now. Without him, we would not have scored this year.
11 Nov 2012 19:43:29
If anyone has ever played football they will tell you there is only 3 ways to score a goal
1) defenders make an error
2) move the ball quickly as possible towards a goal scoring opportunity (includes long passes / corners / free kicks etc)
3) a piece of individual trickery / brilliance
We are struggling with point 2 as our build up is too slow and when we do get the ball up top quickly (individual run or quick passes or long ball) we never have enough players in support
Leam Red
Own goal, Penalty?
So that's how Brazil won 5 World Cups?
11 Nov 2012 19:41:49
Hey ed02 not being finny but go have a peep at chelseas banter page, theyre 3 in the league and look how theyre trashing di matteo, torres and co
Every team has their knee jerking num nuts, not just us
:) {Ed002's Note - Way do you have to bring other teams in to all of the time?}
Hey ed002 u don't seem yourself today, something troubling you? {Ed002's Note - We have run out of gin. It is cold out and I am an old man - I can't bring myself to walk to the local pub.}
11 Nov 2012 19:35:31
we should'nt be making these minor teams look good we should be finishing them off
Minor teams, ok lets see how many the points difference and trophy cabinet difference is at the end of the season. silly boy
Who is the minor team in this? Liverpool, the most successful team in the English league or Chelsea, the current European champions? What a silly comment!
11 Nov 2012 19:34:55
Suarez cant finish they said
Suarez joint top goal scorer and none were penalties like 2 of RVP's were they never said
Even after they took 1 away against everton
11 Nov 2012 19:30:10
Barclays Premier League Top Scorers
Team
TOT
Suarez Liverpool 8
Van Persie Man Utd 8
Ba Newcastle 7
Dzeko Man City 6
Fellaini Everton 6
Michu Swansea 6
Berbatov Fulham 5
Defoe Tottenham 5
Fletcher Sunderland 5
Jelavic Everton 5
Nolan West Ham 5
League goals only.
Like the look of this table
kidmillions
6 add 5 makes 11
Without him lfc are bottom on 2 points
Well Kidmillons, surpried you've wound your neck in for the day after berating Enrique and Carra very early inn the game, who both went on to Havre excellent games. Think not only you bit it definitely includes you, should try to refrain from these negative comments during the game, particular so early on. You look a lot like a douche when the said players do as well as they did.
JohnBoy
And without van persie man u would also be in a relgation scrap with a suarezless liverpool a ba-less newcastle a dzekoless man city and a mataless chelsea
Without arguero united wouldve won the PL last season, without Drogba chelsea wouldnt european champions, without rooney united would be a europa league team
What was ur point again?
11 Nov 2012 19:29:24
what do you think made the difference when suso came on, Suso himself of how the formation changed?
A definite mix of both. The formation helped mainly, but his touches added more quality. (apart from one which was awful) lol
Both
Evo YNWA
Probably a little bit of both. At the risk of sounding carried away, BR needs to build the team around Suarez and Suso (S&S). Assaildi, Sterling and Enrique should also be entrenched in the core. The rest BR needs to figure out.
I think the hole dynamics mate, but Suso is also a hungry little bugger! He has a massive future.
Yep; for me the dynamics of the hole
Roy
11 Nov 2012 19:21:41
Positives:
Enrique was excellent today, Suarez continues to be world class, Suso was great when he came on, Carra can still do it.
Negatives:
Sadly Stevie is definitely past his best and was poor today (some saying he was good today? watch it again my friends!),
Allen was poor, Sahin passed to Chelsea players as much as Chelsea players did.
Disappointed with Sahin and Allen today, think they have both had a bad run of games.
Could be time to introduce Shelvey more and I cant wait for Lucas to come back.
I would like to see a midfield three of Lucas, Shelvey and Suso in the attacking mid role in the next few months, even just to make a statement to the likes of Allen and Gerrad.
Enrique lost position at least 8 times. In the 10 mins after terry busted his Crut. Lig. I counted 3 .
Stevie was great! He made vital challenges and helped out a lot in our own box. And also his long padsing created a few chances.
Hounsred
It worries me the similatities in build / stature with Sahin & Allen . I feel we will poss get over-run against stong opposition with these 2 in the starting line
up in away games where we are being forced backwards due to lack of muscle. in these games we need shelvey instead of Sahin to compete physically to help Allen and Gerrard then bring Sahin off the bench later to show his class.
11 Nov 2012 19:11:19
could it be that with reina not playing there could be a swap with walcott could be hope so.
alan waddle {Ed002's Note - I really don't see Wallcott being tall enough to play in goal.}
I disagree with ED I think he will be best goal keeper in the world his passing is better than anyone has speed and can even join the attack with 1-2 with one of our defenders
Red 316
Haha quality response from ed.
11 Nov 2012 19:10:01
Give joe allen a break & reserve any judgement on sahin till he settles (he may not granted) we are missing Lucas & let's not forget the battering he took eh? Suso was good when he came on wisdom is growing & learning,hope sterling makes the right decision when he turns 18 as Scott Sinclair seems to have drifted out the picture already,wright Phillips made a bucket load of money but never fulfilled his early promise & it took Scott Parker a few years to recover.....y.n.w.a jft96
Paisley's genius
11 Nov 2012 20:05:27
Paisley genuis when club legends are slated week and week out so why Allen and Sahin be different. Allen was bought for his rentetion of ball and possession but has been passenger for 3-4 games now same with sahin he lacks pace and power and needs time to pass ball which he won't get in epl. He will play better in italy which is slow league and will suit him better.
11 Nov 2012 19:09:15
I realise that our league position does not do us justice as we should have at least 4 points more. Now that we've played all the major premier league teams hopefully the boys can put a few points on the board.
Come January hopefully the owners will invest and provide strikers.
We must keep the faith in Brenden and the team
11 Nov 2012 19:06:34
Lots of people criticising Allen and Sahin, and its true they didn't have great games, but I thought Chelsea were excellent in midfield, Ramires was particularly effective in closing down our players while on the ball.
We didn't play that well, and got a point.
I still think Chelsea will finish 1st or 2nd, and they have arguably the best squad in the league, so overall I'm happy with today's performance and result.
Sahin and Allen are both quality players. They shouldn't be judged on one indifferent game against very good opposition.
Joe
What are you on about? did,nt play well? this is a young team learning to play a different system. we did play well and deserved a point at least. either support or don,t. we supporters don,t care. WE SUPPORT. end of
robbie
Robbie, read it again mate. I've just read through loads of posts slagging off Allen and Sahin - but I am supporting them.
The whole purpose of my post was to back those two players that seem to be taking a bit of stick, so settle down you moron.
Joe
Call me names if it makes you feel better. support all men in red regardless of how they play or who they are. players will have good and bad games, i still support them
robbie
11 Nov 2012 19:05:07
I really really think Assaidi needs more of a look in, in the PL he's impressed most times ive seen him play
Atleast in the last 10 mins, hes got trickery and pace and couldve tried getting beyon the full backs
Joe Allen, dnt want to slate the guy as he's playing out of position but BR bought him for ball retention and passing both of which he was very poor at today and has been for the last 3 games in a row, he needs to start picking things up now
A draws a fair result but shouldve won if it wasnt for howard webb winning chelsea a corner
Need to win 4/5 games in a row now if we want to be anywhere near top for come january
Lets hope
Shak Attack
11 Nov 2012 19:04:16
best point of the season so far, over ran completely in midfield. enrique had a good game, suarez world class. sterling jones and wisdom were fine.
played better against man u, got nothing. played better against city got a point, should have being more. maybe this tells us more about chelsea than ourselves. still my favourites for the league though.
please stop about torres now, he is shadow of former self.
allen was very poor today, sahin also. lucas back by end of the month should help things along.
bring on wigan.
B O H
11 Nov 2012 18:57:11
the worrying aspect is that none of br signings are having an impact on our season is borini better than carroll is allen better than henderson is assaidi better than downing is sahin better than adam is yesil better than morgan . im afraid brendan has got rid of crap and replaced it with crap . as for no one celebrating with suarez you ungrateful BAS---DS HE PULLS YE OUT OF THE SH-T EVERY WEEK.
alan waddle
Strange post?
I agree with your post. Allen was shocking today, gave the ball away in some very dangerous positions. I have watched him quite a few times and have been very disappointed in what I've seen. He plays the easy ball very well but looks nervous under pressure and gives nothing in terms of creativity. Although Adam had no pace, I'd much rather have him back as he was direct, or put Hendo back in. Can't wait until Lucas is back as then the midfield will be Lucas, Shelvey and Gerrard. As for Borini, he's rubbish. All BR needed to do with the team he inherited was to go out and buy 2 good strikers with the 30M and money from player sales that he had. Unfortunately he's fiddled too much and has not improved the team at all.
G
11 Nov 2012 19:22:02
at least BR can make tactical changes which is one area where KD was clueless
Borini n carroll are 2 diff type of players but considering borini was a more than two thirds cheaper than carroll and the monility he brings and the fact he is 21 and in the full italian team id deffo prefer to have borini
Allen is better than henderson thats pretty obvious, hes had 3 below par games but henderson had nearly 40 of those last season
Downing couldnt lace assaidi's boots
Sahin when in full form won the bundesliga and won player of the year and was bought by jose mourinho for real madrid u tell me, who would u prefer? Sahin needs more time to settle, he also has more of a goal threat and knows how to get in the box, and doesnt sky the ball into the abyss like adam
Maybe the team wanted to get the restarted quickly because we need to start winning more 3 points
Anyways what do i know keep up the fantastic support alan waddle :)
Shak Attack
11 Nov 2012 19:26:17
BR's signings might not be setting the league alight, but he ha put us in a much better financial position regarding player wages. I'm under no illusion that BR's squad is the finished article - he will continue to add to the squad over the next few windows. Borini has had no consistency being out on the wing and then in the centre, and now out injured. I'd like to see him in a similar set up as today playing up front with Suarez. Assaidi IMO is much better than Downing but much cheaper - still not at full fitness, needs more game time. Joe Allen has had a few games off form but keeps the midfield ticking over much better than Adam ever did, minus the clumsy tackles, loses the ball less often and doesn't give away so many free kicks. Sahin is a good addition and has contributed goals in Europe, although looked flat today. Even Yesil doesn't expect to break into the first team for another few seasons. An important role like a central striker cannot be given to someone who is not ready for it. Im happy with the changes, although I'd rather have sold Carroll and bought or loaned another striker. Kuyt, maxi and Bellers wanted to go!
11 Nov 2012 20:06:39
"Downing couldn't lace Assaidi's boots".
So here's the question, if Assaidi's so good, why has he played about 2 minutes in the PL?
- Something Red -
To be fair its not hard to be better than downing lol... the kitman doesnt get to play either... SLIMZ12
11 Nov 2012 18:54:10
after the 1st half i thought we were in for a heavy defeat , but as soon as suso came on then we looked far more dangerous , in the end we look like the winners also , how come sahin gets a game before suso , if we want to win games before we get another striker in jan then suso should play behind suarez ,but for me the spirit shown by the players in the 2nd half tells me it wont be long before we start winning games , well done to carra and enrique and all the players to get back into the game and nearly win it ,
mickey b
JFT96
Absoluely spot on mickey b. I couldn't see us getting anything from the game based on the first half - Chelsea looked the more likely to score (again). Fair dues to BR's tactical changes, substitutions and the team spirit to come out and show the balls to get something from the game. Its a revelation to see Sterling and Suso empowered to keep on looking for the ball and looking to be ambitious when they get it. Wisdom summed it up for me - in the first half he looked tentative when passing out of defence (scared the bejaysoos out of me truth be told) but there he was looking for the ball and bombing forward in the secod half. In terms of attitude and endevour we lacked nothing. yes Sahin was average and Allen has had a wee slump in form but we were able to carry that, make the right changes and get something from the game. Warmed the cockles of my cold, cold heart. As for Enrique - where the hell have you been?! A beast of a performance. Good times ahead.
Biscanifyoucan
The difference today when Suso came on was down to the fact that he played in a roving position higher up the field than being played wide right which he is not over comfortable with
Suso will aways be good in the hole because,he is excellent at running with the ball in a straight line rather than diagonals.even when he played in the wing
when he was facing the defender in a one on one situation he would easily get past him,but he can beat people with his pace.
INDIAN SCOUSER YNWA
11 Nov 2012 18:51:47
send sahin back he is sh-t hendo is far better i would not sign him he has offered nothing to liverpool
red rrab
11 Nov 2012 18:51:20
Right the performances have not been bad this season. Last week accepted. Was't working today and let give Rogers some credit, he changed it and we got a point.
Over reliant on Luis but same could be said about Arsenal last season with RVP. We need to get another goalscorer in the transfer window and find a bit more creativity in final third. (Was hoping Sahin would be that tbh)
Finally lets face it Everton and West Brom are not going to be playing CL football next year which means Arsenal or Spurs are the favourites for 4th. We are 4 pts behind Arsenal 5 behind spurs, and we have played 7 of the top 10. Next 6 games bar Spurs are winnable and we could be a challenging position by new year.
redphil
Everton are better than Liverpool, fact!
Make no mistake,i support the reds but the way N-Everton are playing who are you to predict that they won't finish 4th? Granted, they don't finish strong but you've got to be In It to win it.
No sheep Sherlock!
JJ
Haha another deluded red you won't be any where near the top 4
jab etc
Everton couldn't beat us at Goodison.Who is better than who? Really folks... This is a below par Liverpool whichever way you look at it...and Everton at the top of their game.. the best they have been in years. They still couldn't beat Liverpool at their own ground. That really sucks.
We were mugged of 2 point's at Goodison!
11 Nov 2012 18:47:17
Gerrard played well today and caried both Allen and Sahin in short they were passengers today. Oh even Jamie boy played well. Suarez is scoring Goals consistantly.
For me we need to change little things
We play tikki-taka in our own half which is no use coz you can't score.
So we need to play more tikki-taka in oposition half to build pressure and panic.
People say we don't have messi or ineista or xavi etc etc. It doesn't matter coz even bilbao or arsenal don't have messi or iniesta.
As I sayed above we just need to play more tikki-taka in opposition half and build pressure and panic for our opponents then everything will be fine.
Point taken but I honestly think our movement isn't good enough to carry it off just yet. There always needs to be a player moving into a good position to receive the ball. And right now there isn't. Its improved over the course of the season so far but a vast improvement is needed to really play tika taka. (I effing hate that description)
11 Nov 2012 18:46:01
Is it just me worrying about Reina? Either he's fit and something has gone on, or our medical team need a full replacement. He was given 2 weeks out, maximum with a hamstring strain?
Is this turning into a similar situation that we had with Gerrard or has something happened with Reina and management? {Ed002's Note - So let me just summarise then. The fans want the owners out, the manager out, most of the players out, and now the medical team (for no reason whatsoever) out as well. Interesting. A pity that you don't take the view that Jones played really well after being given a chance because Pepe had not been 100% on his game.}
Corrction Ed02 *minority of fans*
Shak Attack {Ed002's Note - I would like to think that, but if you take this forum as a cross section then I am not so sure.}
Ed02 respect your opinion, but on this one your wrong. Jones was a fault for both goal against Everton, was poor against Newcastle, and since he been in the team the distrobution from the back is missing, the defence seems nervous. For example today, most of Chelsea chances came from defensive error, a comanding keeper talks to his defenders, organises them because he is best position to see whats going wrong. Not all about the saves with Reina, it all about the confidence he five the defence.
redphil
p.s yes i am getting a little concerned about reina {Ed002's Note - Maybe you should look back in recent weeks at what the posters were saying about Pepe. Sparky found it very upsetting and is refyusing to post on Twitter until Pepe is back in the team and playing well.}
Agree with Ed, Jones is in possession Pepe's got to win it back! The time to sell Pepe would be The Summer before his stock falls too much, we can then re-invest in a good young keeper. Pepe's been a great servant but he doesn't give the impression that he is happy whilst the team is rebuilding. GED
The way Jones is playing it's gonnabe hard for Brendan to drop him for Pepe!
Pepe told Rodgers that he thinks he is a useless person(cabron).
That is why he isn't playing.
11 Nov 2012 18:45:04
Moaners nocked Cara but he played well and had a hand in the goal.
Moaners nocked Enrique had brilliant game and was MOTM.
Moaners nocked Brendan his tactics change see us match Chelsea stars in the second half and almost won the game in the end.
What does that say about the Moaners?? Have faith we are on the right track Genuine Red Fan
My question is how comes cara can play 2 games in a week when gerrard and suarez could not?
Because Skrtel was ill. Otherwise Carra would have been benched.
11 Nov 2012 18:43:41
I'll take a point thank you please. This game was in contrast to the other games we dominate, create yet fail to score, only to create little and take our chance. That alone says something. I still sense there is a caged lion to this Rodgers Liverpool team and I'm under the impression that the manager has by no means yet left his imprint on the team. I'm proud of our youngsters.
DaveyBootle
11 Nov 2012 18:42:52
Well well what a bunch of moaning fair weather fans we unfortunate to have. Makes me laugh that people were calling for Enrique and Carras head (you know who you are) during three game yet they were class.
I might suggest people let the full game played before spouting their rubbishty comments. Embarrassment to the US fans who actually support the team.
JohnBoy
People moan and say what they think out of frustration but they are there for the team and will be there when we rise again , good things are on the way the manager and owners know that on the balance of probabillities the thousands of fans know more than they do
11 Nov 2012 18:40:44
More of that please Enrique.
He blows hot and cold, if he can put the effort in like that every game we will be a lot more solid at the back.
Good result today, 1-1 at Stamford bridge is a good result for anyone.
MIKEY
Dunno what everyone saw from Enrique today... lots of effort... no end product... gave the ball away and doesnt track back... watch again u will see Sterling covered him well! SLIMZ12
Sterling is meant to cover him on the left.
MIKEY
11 Nov 2012 18:37:25
What a game!!after the half time I wanted to rant but I just had little belief that we could still get something out of the game..sahin for me has been struggling.he just puts the strain on gerrard and allen(who wasn't that good).we need to try another player in the no 10 role now when there is nobody to link up play we really struggle..johnson wasn't looking as sharp as he used to..enrique MY GOD.the guy was crazy today.solid when defending and attacking..-no way in hell I want reina back soon..jones was fantastic today..wisdom for me isn't ready for the big games just yet,carra was solid and agger after gifting chelsea their goal improved very well.the way gerrard. Defended today was fantastic.and as usual suarez the genius saves us when it matters..we were second best for most of the match..so nobody should come here talking crap like we played better than chelski..YNWA
11 Nov 2012 18:34:43
Enrique - was an absolute monster today. The man still does not have a decent cross in him in the final third, but his constant runs forward and his snuffing out Hazard on quite a few occasions was good defensive play today. Clearly MOTM.
Suarez - Where would this team be without him? (Strange nobody congratulated him after his goal....). Can't say much else, he does it week in week out. World class.
Gerrard - Quiet first half because he was playing just in front of the back 3, moved up after half time and got involved.
Allen - seems to be on a downward spiral the past few games. Just seemed too "light" throughout the game. He'll have a problem when Lucas comes back because playing in front of the back 4 seems to be his preferred position (and it's Lucas's).
Sahin - Told myself we had the new Alonso during the first 10 minutes. And then he disappeared. He is slow, and still needs work on his confidence.
Jones - great game. How many of Jones's stops would Pepe have stopped in his current form?
Sterling - seemed to be overwhelmed by the occasion a bit, but you can see defenders fear him now. Constant threat whenever he got the ball.
Wisdom - gaining valuable experience. Tough and solid. Should be a starter next year with Kelly replacing Carragher.
Agger - average game. Great distribution of the ball out of the back but that clunker on Terry's goal is unforgivable.
Carragher - a few mistakes, good game overall. The "old man" came through with the assist on Suarez's goal !!
Well deserved draw. LFC played the CL Champion on their home turf with a 17 & 19 year old and came out unscathed !! Just love it !. ra1969
Oh my gosh man!!
If u take out suarez we'd be playing with 10 men for a start
If u take away van persies goals where would united be? If u take away messi's goals where would barcelona be?
Suarez is a liverpool striker scoring goals is his job
Yes the team needs more striking potency upfront but seriously dude think about what u just said it dont make sense coz if it wasnt suarez scoring it would be another 22 million pound striker scoring we wouldnt be playing with 10 men LOL
1...2...Breathe...
Shak Attack
Gerrard is being wasted playing where Rodgers wants him.
So many times today Gerrard opened up play and chelsea with his sublime range of passing. However many players were unable to control the ball from Gerrard and really he deserves to play with more technically gifted players.
Rodgers is going nowhere fast and where is the progress, its like one step forwards two steps back.
Great to see Carra have a good game.
The Bells
I really do think I can bring myselfto forgive Agger over that error.
JohnBoy
Allen's preferred position is further forward mate, More of a cm or acm than cdm
11 Nov 2012 19:06:13
I don't think Allen's preferred position is infront of the back 4. He is covering for Lucas, since Allen has the greatest grip on what it is BR wants him to do because he has played under him before. Once Lucas is back, Allen'll be allowed more freedom.
Jolly Red
Sorry mate that post was meant for the fan who posted below about we'd be in the relgation zone without Suarez's goals
Dont know why it got posted here :/
Shak Attack
11 Nov 2012 18:29:35
Here we go with the faithful fans again....
Honest fans
Fans but not supporters
11 Nov 2012 18:29:12
First point we've been pleased with all year. good battle
WelshBoyDave
11 Nov 2012 18:26:30
Terrible game on the whole. .
Get in, im happy though. Everyone seems to have backed chelsea to win before the game but people still complain at half time. But screw those fans, i will snap your hand off for a 1-1 at chelsea, and a six game unbeaten run (?)
Now lets get a couple of wins and climb the table. Wigan,swansea,tottenham and Southampton next up with europa league in between young boys and udinese. Realistically 7 points from twelve and qualification for EL.
Well done again to brendan rodgers for making yet another super sub (suso) changed the game.
Keep getting these points lads, scrappy or classy i dont really care
11 Nov 2012 18:26:27
Well done guys. Superb draw today, should have won it though with the last Enrique shot. ElPistolero top scorer of the Premiere League, UNBELIEVABLE. Enrique was superb today, my MOTM. He was unplayable in his flank today and was also good on attack. Suso was also very good when he came on and Sterling as usual was superb.
11 Nov 2012 18:24:37
Pleased with that result in the end, considering we could/should have been behind by 2 or 3 before the break. Special mentions to Enrique, Johnson and Jones. Honestly cannot wait for both the return of Lucas and the purchase of a striker in January, think it will make the world of difference.
P.s Although Allen was terrible today I still see a big future for him at Liverpool.
GLfc
11 Nov 2012 18:24:29
I think we need to buy an central attacking midfielder and a striker and we're good to go. Eriksen and Huntelaar would be decent.
We got Suso no attacking mid needed plus enriksen has know interest in us, plays in a mediocre league, would cost an arm an a leg. Absolutely know reason to buy eriksen in my opinion Suso will be better.
Square tomato
11 Nov 2012 18:15:59
Ed need your views on 2 things concerning my beloved LFC.
This team is dying for investment and all LFC fans know this. Without Suarez goals we will be in bottom 2.
So 1. Are you surprised that with another transfer window approaching we are yet to sort our management structure to help BR.
2. Do we need that structure? I believe we do since BR is young coach who can do with all the help he can get specially after the way our investment in players has gone in past.
Lastly I am a skeptic and I wanted Rafa back but BR with his ability to learn has really impressed me.He is learning all the time.
Red Indian
PS: Still not sure about this tikki takka passing.we are really slow in build up. {Ed002's Note - The team has had, very, very significant investment in players - although I appreciate that many Liverpool fans cannot grasp this. (1) I have no idea what you see the problem as being. I don't know of any complaints Brendan Rodgers has about the management structure although I do understand that the owners have been looking at bringing someone to work with him - albeit against Rodger's wishes. (2) Given I don't understand what you see the issue to be, I cannot sensibly answer this question. But I would support the concept of getting some help in if that is what you are suggesting. I would suggest getting a good advisor or two in and working with them.
As for Rafa Benitez, my advice would be to look forward not back - I would say the same for Torres and Alonso who many fans wish to see return. The owners gave the fans what they wanted in the full time job for Dalglish, and given their other mistake of employing Comolli, we know what a mess he made of the transfers. Perhaps the fans don't know best in all cases.}
So you would agree ed002 that fans and posters dont have solutions to Liverpools problems and its not their job to suggest any.
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Not at all, just that the owners made the mistake of giving Dalglish the job full time at the behest of fans. Would you not have rather given the £116M to someone else to spend or do you think he did a good job with it? The fans are clearly getting their hate-filled opinions across to the owners just fine. No doubt tomorrow afternoon they will be given the latest media summary report - if they can bring themselves to read it anymore.}
The "without Suarez we'd be in the bottom 2" shout is a completely pointless statement.
I appreciate the point you're trying to make - that Suarez is invaluable to us - but saying we'd be in the bottom 2 without him is simply not true. It's propaganda.
That would have required us to play the first 11 league games with 10 men. In which case, I wouldn't be surprised if we were bottom.
What I can't believe (actually I can) is that The Daily Mail dedicated a whole half page of today's paper making the exact same statement. It's ridiculous and pointless.
Joe
Rafa did great for Liverpool.
No fans wanted camolli!
Jason {Ed002's Note - Read the archives. I got a great deal of abuse for explaining what would happen with Comolli. That abuse came from the Liverpool fans.}
Oh my gosh man!
If u take out suarez we'd be playing with 10 men for a start
If u take away van persies goals where would united be? If u take away messi's goals where would barcelona be?
Suarez is a liverpool striker scoring goals is his job
Yes the team needs more striking potency upfront but seriously dude think about what u just said it dont make sense coz if it wasnt suarez scoring it would be another 22 million pound striker scoring we wouldnt be playing with 10 men LOL
1...2...Breathe...
Shak Attack
Ps this got posted on the wrong comment before trying to copy n paste it in reply to the right post cheers
Great reply Ed, I happen to be a fan of Torres, KK, Alonso and Rafa but BR is in charge now, he is young and I see him as a long, long term manager. I think someone to negotiate transfers is a good idea, if it is the right person and the manager is happy with the person. Given the Dempsey situation I would suggest BR is not in charge of that side anyway.
I think your reply was honest and fair and hopefully they will listen and move on.
There was a feeling we were robbed against UTD and City, but this was a good result for both teams, your lads look good and you will probably spend big and strengthen in Jan, so good luck for the title, were nowhere ready for that now, and we will see you at our place.
RNred
So you think fans and posters do have solutions ed002? If so, what would you suggest? Cheers
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Why not just read what I have written and not try and put words in my mouth.}
11 Nov 2012 19:52:13
Sorry ed its owners fault they brought cammoli to negotiate deals and he messed. In reality FSG don't know how football club is run no owner in their right mind would negotiate deals like they and camolli did they spanked their own money by listening to Billy beane who is baseball fan. Dalglish didn't negotiate it was camolli and owners who excepted to pay 116m for players which Dalglish wanted. In short they can't run fooball club especially one of the biggest clubs in the world and one of the famouse club the planet has ever seen. Garbage like chelsea and city shouldn't be top but its owners who have handicaped liverpool fc {Ed002's Note - Trust me they are getting the message from the entirely non-appreciative fans like yourself. You deserve to see the business floated on the stock exchange and the consequences which will come from it. Then you can take some of the credit for forcing them out.}
And when the time comes, even if all this "hate filled campaign" was not going on they may still float it if that is the best way for them to make their money. You make it sound ed as if its a punishment if the fans who want fsg out (of which i am not one, but i do have my fears) dont tow the party line.
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - I have explained it before.}
11 Nov 2012 18:14:28
Positive passing, a bit more belief and a smile on all our faces second half. Good change BR.
Suso before Sahin please.
Enrique and Cara played well..
Brad did well again.
Get at teams and we'll all be happy regardless of results.
PistolPete
11 Nov 2012 18:14:16
Good result for the team today, we didnt play particularly well, thought Gerrard and particularly Allen were poor today. Jones and Agger were superb throughout. Almost unlucky not to win it in the end but got to be happy with a point at stamford bridge.
However it was much of the same as a performance really and is very frustrating. We had something like 60% possession in the first half and never created a good chance - whereas Chelsea created about 3 very good opportunities to score in the 1st half. The worrying thing is nothing seems to change with each match, we just pass it up to the box, lose the ball and create nothing from having all of the ball. Un-lucky with the ball hitting referee!
7 out of the next 12 games are against teams in bottom half of premiership until January. Lets move on, support Brendan and the Team - hopefully a few wise signings in the January window - and then push on for 4th in second half of the season.
RedChris
Gerrard can no longer be judged on the way he once played for LFC as BR does not see him in that role.
BR sees Gerrard as protecting the back 4.
Gerrard is no longer the CAM under BR, stop with the Stevie slagging, if slgaging is to be done it should be against BR who is wasting stevie's talent.
The Bells
11 Nov 2012 18:11:20
That point earned there feels so much better than the one earned against Everton. Great result for us, great for Suarez to score again and a few of the young lads to get another good and hard earned result under their belts as established first team players.
It's also good to see Carragher up and causing problems on the corner and creating an assist. Enrique as well, he battled hard and although headless chicken syndrome crept in, he dug in deep and came out MotM and has something good to build on with his performance.
Howard Webb isn't our favourite ref, but he was getting in the way so much he ended up in parts being on the touchline. His interference gave Chelsea a break which lead to corner which lead to Chelsea's goal.
Does Webb get points on the fantasy football league for that play which ended up being a goal for Chelsea? :)
As a Man Utd fan (stay with me), I'd like to say how much I respect Jamie Carragher. He's Liverpool through and through, a 1 club man who has led be example and doesn't generate negative headlines. I know he is coming to the end of his career (like our very own Giggs and previously Neville) but it is these types of players who are the backbone of our clubs. Can't stand your club (sorry!) but I will raise a glass to Jamie when he does retire.
AJH
^ i thought jamie was an everton fan...
Fair play mate.
Can't stand your club either actually UTD repulse me.
But I always liked Keane.
The Bells
Fair comment and true words about one club players, its about the club and not the money..listen stirling. kls
11 Nov 2012 18:09:59
Who said Carragher was past it? He was absolutly first class today! Admitedly it is limited games but proved he has still got it!
11 Nov 2012 18:08:48
At end of every game results matters there is no point in playing pretty football if u can't produce the result every manager gets judged on the results Liverpool can't produce results at the moment to dependent on Suarez he has scored 8 out of 14 goals Liverpool has scored this season
BR is trying to change playing style at Liverpool but by doing this he can't produce the results and it won't be too long when every true supporters will question the results n ask for change
He should have kept all the experience players atleast for this season to guide through all this youngsters
I assume everyone gets judged on their performance let see when do owners do that and look at results
Every true supporter leaves a name. Great point. Well done redmen
Meathred
Nonsense, Rodgers changing the way Liverpool play!!
Liverpool have played passing football for the past 50 years, all their success was built on pass and move.
Liverpool owners have to put their hands in their pockets and support the manager and if they do we will move forward.
Please people don't use the style of play as a the problem, at the moment finances is the problem, a good January window may surprise us all.
Evered
Evered hasn't been watching for a couple of decades if he thinks we've had pass and move since the 80s
Alonso, Gerrard, Hamman, Macallister, Murphy, Rednapp, Whelan, Souness, Ray Kennedy, McDermott, Callaghan, fifty years of pass and move centre midfielders.
Watching for more years than i can remember.
Dream On
Evered
Sorry I forgot to leave my name I always post under
DK London
Btw Liverpool always played passing games which resulted in wins and getting resultsy point is clear if u can't produce results what's the whole point of pretty football just in case some people don't realise we have 12 points from 11 games
11 Nov 2012 18:08:41
Well deserved point in the end, could of even been all 3 points.
Woeful 1st half followed by tremendous 2nd half obviously they've been read the riot act at half time. Well done all round unbeaten in 6.
Just a point on Chelsea they need to spend their money more wisely they have too many alike players.
kidmillions
What do you mean kidmillions? They are all good?
11 Nov 2012 18:06:51
Hello Eds,
your view on the game ?
I thought we were awful in the 3-5-2 formation but in the second half after we changed it to 4-3-2-1 we were much better.
Also your thoughts on Sahin ?
I think we should really not consider buying him. He seems a tad slow for the BPL and the money can be better spent on a strong CDM/CM. {Ed002's Note - LIverpool stuck at it until the end of the game (unlike many of the posters). Credit to them. Sahin is a good squad player rather than perhaps someone who is going to wiun games.}
Like Rodgers said. It was his fault for the starting formation and it was wrong. More importantly, we were more direct when the change was made in the 60th minute and less of the 200 passes in our own half. You gotta love Suarez but we will be screwed without him.
The Irish Rover
11 Nov 2012 18:06:20
Can I just say carra had a great game too
11 Nov 2012 18:05:43
Best to send sahin back now,he ain't good enough or strong for the epl. Allen had another shocker today, no positive or effective balls from him, and got caught so many times. Gerrard does not have the speed or legs to do it on his own. Stirling and suarez and Jose played well. Suso made a great impact. We don't have enough quality. Or pace. Sahin and Allen should never play in the same team again, too lightweight. And neither complement gerrard.
Red first & last
We can't send Sahin back now ............. that's not how a one year loan works .
Chelsea did their homework, they know that Liverpools tempo has been dictated by Allen this season and so stopping him in possesion causes us problems, especially first half.
Mata and Hazard drop deep into that whole which doesnt help us either, I would have expected Lucas and allen to have played in there with 4 at the back if he had been fit.
It's just a small squad thats the issue, and desperate for some help for Suarez, theres still more than 6 weeks to go till the window opens.
11 Nov 2012 18:05:41
Well we didn't play well for most of game and still managed to grab a point and actually could have got a winner.. Suso deserve to start as he is more David Silva like link player behind striker and I don't know where I would play Gerrard apart from attacking right as he is not performing and only has 2-3 good passes all game...bit more luck and finishing we will be fine...
Harry Oldbury
11 Nov 2012 18:04:31
2nd half much better, enrique had a brilliant game and its obvious rodgers does rate him, did no one notice the fact that he was injured before they made up rumours that rodgers wants rid.
Suarez 8 goals another striker and suso playing in midfield would sort our team out.
A negative was though allen had a p**s poor game, now i've never criticized him but the amount of times he was slow on the ball and lost it today was unbelievable, lets not hope its another downing who plays great first couple of matches and then becomes a load of carp.
It's funny how Allen has "A" poor game and he's slaughtered whilst everyone praises Suso for his impact whilst ignoring the fact he was relatively (I'm being kind) ineffective on his last two starts! Lets be a little more even handed in our criticism of "our" players shall we!
Remember supporting players and the confidence that support gives them is one of the few real influences as fans that we possess. GED
11 Nov 2012 18:01:22
Great result I thought . And should have won it late on . Enrique had his best game for nearly a year . Strong quick and did really well . The fighting spirit is showing also . To grind out a draw away was great . Nice to get a point even though we didn't dominate the game like others we have lost in the past . Honestly BR has got us playing good football and also we can get ugly when it's needed . G let's get behind the lads and BR from now on .
YNWA
Jamesy
11 Nov 2012 18:00:19
Thought Carragher had a good game today.
We looked much better when Sahin came off, Suso came on and the formation changed. Gerrard even started to come into the game.
Thought Glen Johnson was a beast at times.
Jones kept us in it a couple of times when Chelsea were on top.
Suarez was his usual self. I've never seen a forward occupy the whole opposition defence as much as him. He was immense.
My man of the match though was Enrique - that was something like he was playing in the first half of last season. Lets hope he continues.
11 Nov 2012 17:58:48
Think of it like this, guys. Unbeaten in the league in 6. Things are on the up, especially with this well earned point.
Piledriver
11 Nov 2012 17:57:41
Anyone else a bit worried that not one Lfc player went to celebrate with Suarez when he scored?
Not in the slightest.
ChrisMiz
I noticed that too. Even Suarez looked a bit shocked at it. Any ideas anyone or was it just a one off
Not in the slightest. What, do you think that the rest of the players have the hump with him cus he is the only one scoring?
Nick
No .
Jargon .
No not me ?
Yh he looked really upsrt when he turned around amd no one was there. Mght have been carra telling everyone to get back in to position thougj lol!
Hounsred
11 Nov 2012 17:56:13
Good point for me!
11 Nov 2012 17:46:15
Well done Carragher old style nod on from the defender to Suarez That should shut up a few people.
Yes, Carra should be slotted back in starting 11. Future of the club.
11 Nov 2012 17:43:52
Got to love the Liverpool fan's salute de Torres on the 81st minute.
Jolly Red
The old cockney wave - can't go wrong :-)
11 Nov 2012 16:52:30
Honest question: does anyone think we will finish higher than West Brom this year?
Don't call for my head. It is a legitimate question, irrespective of what statement it makes about the current state of our beloved club.
Coop
Yes I do, with some more luck with injuries and one or two new players in January to drive us on, why not?
Keith
11 Nov 2012 18:14:43
I think psychologically we are in a bad place at the moment, we have a very good first 11, but no room for error, and there is a lot of pressure on our guys. I think you have to look at the table mid season before casting opinion because we have had a tough draw for our first 11 games, many other games have had a much easier start to us. We look to be settling down now and finding our feet, we haven't lost in 5 games and Suarez is on fire! If we can reinforce the squad in January there will be part of the weight lifted. I'm not surprised we are in the position we are now, but it's clear we are on the up. I think we will finish top 6, depending on results and their form we can climb the table quickly once we get going.
Hi
Am pretty sure when you look at west brom results you will see most of their wins, in fact apart from Wigan have come at home and on away they have had 5 points and we have had 6 points away. difference is they have yet to play Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and they have had bit of good luck their way. season is very young and to assume they will finish better then us would be premature and real season starts after xmas.. We are getting too many draws due to poor finishing,,2 player similar to Suarez and Lucas back to its best we will be fine...Just to let you know I don't live far from west Bromwich and my work place is full of west brom supporters and hate to see them slagging on other teams but I just smile and wait as football is round ball and things can change very quickly...
Harry Oldbury
Harry Oldbury
11 Nov 2012 17:37:49
Despite enriques many faults, he is an absolute beast. So good. In 1 on 1s nobody gets by him
Enrique stats: Tackles: 7/7 - 100% Duels: 12/18 - 67% Passing: 49/62 - 79% Won Possession Back 11 times (more than any other LFC player) Very good 2nd half by enrique
11 Nov 2012 17:02:27
anyone else think this tikitaka football dont work? it will be played 11 won 2 lost 5. it takes us 5 mins to muster a ball into their half it takes them 10 seconds. this game is not going to finish as a good result for lfc, its either bye bye BR or bye bye TIKITAKA. wisdom and allen are having shockers neither has played a forward pass at all in the first half and both are guilty of giving the ball away to easy. dont know what BRcan do to change things but something has to happen other wise chelsea will win by a mile.i was all for giving a new manager a chance but BR is taking us backwards not forwards.
billy
Or you could just try and support the team . It ended in a draw so pretty good result in my eyes .
Jamesy
Look mate, it was just football ... not TIKA TAKA just football, short passing & possesion football at times yes but overall just football.
My comment was made before halftime, it was made before the suarez goal (it just didnt get put on the site till 5pm. ) and yes jamesy i do support the team have done for over 40 years,, it was an observation of what was happening at the time.
billy {Ed002's Note - The time given is the time of posting by you, not by us.}
11 Nov 2012 17:01:58
Allen looking worryingly weak and giving possession away. Little energy in midfield and strikers are isolated. Need to go with Henderson instead of Allen and bring sumo on more centrally to provide some creativity ( perhaps for Sahin who is off the pace.
Leamington red
Sumo is too much of a heavyweight ......
You were watching the wrong game if you think Sumo was playing .
So a draw against a Chelsea who have been again strenghened by Roman in the summer & who many tip to win the title, not to mention they're current European champions ... & you come on here moaning & telling us how you would of got a better result?
Micky Quinn = Sumo!!
MidlandRed
To the spineless one with the unknown banter who talks about Chelsea. Yes Abramovich spent a large amount of money but are they going to be a more successful team than previous Chelsea teams. I don't think so
i would also point out Suso did make a difference and it was a constructive comment.
Perhaps if you could provide a relevant comment to the page we could basque in your clearly superior knowledge of what we should be looking to do ! If not just do one.
Leamington Red
11 Nov 2012 16:59:12
This just awful. The plan doesn't work with players who have no vision and need three or four touches to make their mind up. Never mind slaggin Joe Allen. Gerrard is playing worse, but can't be spoken about. He sets the tone and can't anymore! Time to move on the top clubs just have better players than us.
11 Nov 2012 16:58:54
Pass, pass, pass, pass, lose!
Nostrawigus
Pass pass pass pass draw . Better than your result any way
Pass pass pass pass score! Great point !
11 Nov 2012 16:58:28
Have to say
Joe Allen is avarage at best , he is awful today , wisdom needs to go back on bench before confidence is deystroyed , and BR is a yes man how he is in charge of Liverpool is beyond me he is a chancer knows all the things to say and most are fooled by him and are American owners
yes things take time
but why do we have a club with no depth in its squad
one of the best supported clubs in the world
we will be so far behind we will never get any of the bigger players
no europe what so ever next season
KOB
We just got a really good draw , Suarez scores yet again , Enrique gets MOM , and you have a Kob on .
redforever
11 Nov 2012 16:57:01
Yonks we are desperate for investment in squad. I know we squandered buckets of money last season but hopefully lessons have been learned.
Trust in Brendan.
steve068
11 Nov 2012 16:55:56
zero creativity from the midfield and up front and horrible marking. i'm still not sure why assaidi does not play. where is skrtel?
11 Nov 2012 16:55:39
Enrique is so poor he's misplaced every pass he's made an given up the ball twice now... Carragher? Starting really? Can't believe suso is on the bench last 2 team selections from Rodgers have been very worring...
11 Nov 2012 17:57:45
He's man of the match.....stick to cricket son!
MR EM
He was man of match. what game were you watching
He was given man of the match
11 Nov 2012 16:54:14
Has anyone seen our wingbacks.missing in action they are.all talking by brendon and just useless stats.only thing matters is goals and points.
Ed can you get grip of system.back to 4-4-1-1 me thinks.
Red indian
11 Nov 2012 16:52:37
Bring back RAFA!!
11 Nov 2012 17:32:01
SACK brandon rogers
Iv had enough of his system, style of play and us losing every week.
Wow, you dont even know the managers name and you want him sacked
We haven't lost in premier league games you idiot
11 Nov 2012 17:28:44
The interesting fact of the night,,Chelsea have turned a profit this year for the first time since Abromovich arrived, they are also backing the premiership to bring in it's own fair play rule.
The lesson is simple, if you invest in better players you win more games, win more games you win more competitions, that brings in more money, better sponsors and increases your fan base. Those thinking that the FFPR will make everything good again for us are seriously mistaken, it may very well be us that gets caught out, we still need to spend big on this squad and on the stadium.
And if the top 7-8 teams do this? Not everyone can make the 3-4 CL positions, so this means that at least a few are going to come up short. How do they then cover these losses? If you create a conveyer belt of quality youth through to the first team who know the system, then your costs are lower and your ability to move past departures quickly is increased. That is the vision and a sound way forward.
Andy K
11 Nov 2012 17:29:33
Stevie will get red card today. Looking frustrated. Can't blame him. Chelsea in a different league than us. The 1 - 0 scoreline is flattering to us.
How do you feel now?
11 Nov 2012 17:26:13
Not really a rant, but Allen hasn't been performing well for the last 4-5 games and I believe this can be linked to al the criticism of him being too negative and passing sideways all the time and what not. His pass completion is a lot lower than usual and is caught a lot more often in possesion. Sahin has played about 7-8 games now and most of the time when he played he was anonymous(best example was vs Everton). He may be the former German player of the year but at the moment he doesn't deserve to be in the team more than Shelvey or Henderson. Gerrard is obviously not as good as he used to be but I think he has improved the past 4-5 games as compared to the first 5 games.
Oh Lucas how we miss you.
Keith YNWA
11 Nov 2012 17:25:48
always in in at 1 nil, but dont deserve anything, chelsea are class side and the team i think will win the pl. maybe the cl as well. still hope we can nick an undeserved point today.
B O H
11 Nov 2012 17:25:06
all about the next goal.
len
You see what happens when you overreact to every negative?
Len
11 Nov 2012 17:24:19
Since LFC can"t win, FSG officials should play now to reduce the wage bill.
They have no clue of football n r finishing off this great club. {Ed002's Note - I am sure they appreciate your comments.}
11 Nov 2012 17:22:47
Who thinks we need Carroll back? I would like to know what the fans think. I realize he was not productive, but is he a lost cause? As of now Suarez is the only player with any hope of scoring a goal (atleast in the PL).
We are supposed to have a decent midfield, but we are being schooled by Chelsea's today.
11 Nov 2012 17:13:16
I love Joe Allen. He is the hub that keeps the ball circling. Unfortunately, he is the easiest man on the planet to knock off the ball. And its not like Mata and Hazard are heavy weights.....
11 Nov 2012 17:12:36
Story of tpday's game - ball goes to Allen.. game slows down..ball goes to Allen..move breaks down
11 Nov 2012 17:12:24
15 million down the drain Allen is crap
11 Nov 2012 17:12:01
Think Brendan needs to change it round for the 2nd half Wisdom is good young lad but he's centre back that offers nothing in possession unlike Enrique who's seen more of the ball in the first half than anyone but also lost possession more than anyone. We also know from past experience that Carra will drag us back towards our own goal just defending deeper and deeper. Chelsea players picking up on this and just running into the space between our midfield and defence. Nothing wrong with the system were playing but you can't play it with 8 men.
Carra, Wisdom and Enrique are offering nothing.
1-0 we need to see Coates,Suso and Assaidi
................................jones....................................
................Johnson....Coates.......Agger...........
.....................Gerrard........Allen.............................
.............Suso............................Sahin
.....Sterling............Suarez....................Assaidi........
kidmillions
11 Nov 2012 17:10:43
Gerrard is always woeful against Chelsea. Today, he kept true to form.
I am not a fan of Enrique, but honestly, he and Suarez are the only two players who are not afraid of Chelsea.
Cheers,
who do we play next? I pray it is Southampton.
11 Nov 2012 17:08:09
Brendans style at swansea was the same not much goals slow penetration it is total bull. Think we thought we were getting a young guardiola but we actually got a young roy hodgson!
11 Nov 2012 17:07:34
Half time verdict-everyone has been poor- I thought the idea of this kind of football was to make everyone comfortable on the ball- when we have had the ball we have not had any ideas at all- what is Allen even doing-he looks like a rabbit in the headlights at this level- Enrique does not have any options when he has the ball and his delivery when he has got round the back has been shocking. Wisdom looks like he is not ready for such a big game and Gerrard, well he hasn't turned up. We are lucky to be only one goal down.
11 Nov 2012 17:06:47
When will it ever turn? This is, even in transition, a sad reflection of what we've become.
11 Nov 2012 17:05:58
People think buying a striker is going to solve our problems, word of warning think again problems are far deeper...
11 Nov 2012 17:05:51
To all the people who want Brendan out when he's not had a real chance with his squad, who would you pick instead? Oh and how long would you give the next person on limited funds, too?
Keith
Rafael Benitez!
11 Nov 2012 17:04:07
Just an idea, I'd be interested for feedback.
How about playing Suarez in a sort of free CAM role, behind perhaps a front two or three, especially if Gerrard isn't playing. That way you can work in one or two real goalscorers while maintaining the constant threat and vision of Suarez. In that way, you could have Rodgers' style of play and have someone like Carroll in front. That way Carroll's technical shortcomings are made up for somewhat by his lack of burden.
He is our number 7 after all.
Yeah, I'd just be interested to hear people's thoughts.
ChrisMiz
It's a good idea although Suarez is quite a greedy player and Carroll isn't on the same page as Suarez he needs someone who actually has the ability to read his play
Brilliant. However, which 2 or 3 are you referring to up front? I believe Suarez is our ONLY front man. Hasn't he scored 99% of our goals?
BR can't adapt his style.
He doesn't manage resources he needs to find who fits his style. Not quite what I understood the concept of management to be but that's what we have to live with. It will be a long process that's for sure. jmac
I meant hypothetically in the future. Perhaps post-January. Could be any good frontman, eg Huntelaar with two wingers either side (Sterling and another) or two strikers.
Suarez has always struck me as a creator. In that position I think he'd be an assist machine.
ChrisMiz
I agree an disagree. Depends on what system they play. If they go 433 and the 3 up top play as 1 2 with Suarez being the 1 in the whole then yes could work. But then you lack width up top and relay on the 3 in midfield to provide that. Also playing 2 strikes up top usually ends up like a 1 1 very rarely do they play as a 2. So we would end up like a 43111 very narrow.
I recon a 4411 would be perfect saurez can play in the whole we would have a target man to play of and the wide players would play as high as possible.
To be honest I feel we lack pace and speed when attacking we seem to play at the same pace all the time.
What's your thoughts fans
11 Nov 2012 17:03:32
guys guys guys..
no-one is really playing badly....
we are just as glenn hoddle stats...
we are a nice footballing team who have come to pass it around....WITH NO PENETRATION WHATSOEVER..
so all lfc have to do..is drive forward...make things happen..not pass the ball at the back forever
if we lose...we lose............atleast try and have a go at the chelsea team..thats all the fans ask aye
pete
11 Nov 2012 16:51:49
Is Gerrard even playing??????
Nope. He wishes he joined Chelski with our old lad Fernando
Yeah he's the midfielder with the number 8 on his back
As in most games so far this season - HE HAS BEEN POOR!!!!
He is wearing the number 8 shirt - not doing much than that though is he???
Plonkers get off Stevie G back he is our captain who has carried the team for years
11 Nov 2012 16:51:41
Johnson has been so poor, no impact at all.
11 Nov 2012 16:51:37
We need Suso on to bolster the midfield, we've got to stop wave after wave of Chelsea attacks from midfield or else.
Wizard
Allen has no defensive capability to speak of. What is the point on a £17m sideways passer who poses no forward threat. His frailty exposes every other player behind him. Requiring SG to do more. And now SG crocked. Allen off please. Jmac
11 Nov 2012 20:43:10
Pulled your head out of your asse after your absolute blundering, woefull and totally wrong assessment of Sterling's contract negotiation's were going. Every single post you write shows your totally out of touch with what most Liverpool fans think. Negative every time even when out was a very good point.
JohnBoy
11 nov 2012 16:51:20
this is a joke!
11 Nov 2012 16:48:48
After we lose this game there will be a majority of posters saying it was Carra's fault, then a pile of people calling for BR's sacking, and the typical few faithful that say Carra played well and everyone else aren't true fans.
Truth is, for me anyway, the ranting has become more interesting than our play.
Tiger
11 Nov 2012 16:48:14
Enrique......... I'm sorry but I just don't get it..
Enrique is the weakest link, switch Wisdom to left back Get Enrique off and Suso on...
Curled1
Im sorry but wisdom is the weakest link. at least enrique looks threatening and can defend
He has been alot better today defensively and is all over the pitch. He is putting in a shift.
11 Nov 2012 16:44:28
Watching us is like watching paint dry!
11 Nov 2012 16:44:08
Good shot of Brendan doing go sudoku puzzle
11 Nov 2012 16:43:06
Fsg spend or go your polices are killing this great club the gulf in class is shocking and the fans who back fsg are u happy with bottom to mid table club because that what we are with fsg ownership {Ed002's Note - You can be sure that they have been getting the message.}
11 Nov 2012 17:27:54
Ed2 mate I never critcise owners or players but we are in shambles and owners need to act 2 wins in 11 games is not good for any club forget liverppol mate. Maybe for you footy is just entertainment but for us is much more han that.
KOPITE {Ed002's Note - So you want, what, Rodgers out?}
11 Nov 2012 16:42:46
we've become terrible at attacking corners... I wonder why?
What because we lost carroll? who didn't score a goal from a corner?. . .did you see our equalizer?
Adam
11 Nov 2012 16:42:10
For me it's not a case of give Brendon rogers time,I just do not like Watching the way Liverpool play! It bores me to death so slow I would rather watch corrie!
Kp
11 Nov 2012 16:40:58
Well at least the lads are trying to play football. It will take time but it will come. We can't realistically expect them all to become Xavies and Iniestas without going through a long period of playing creative possesion football. Just two complaints, why is Caraghar there and secondly why is Assaildi not being given a chance in the PL?
Paki-Red
Xavie iniesta r born super stars passing the ball an unstopible Jonson sahin jordon Henderson not super stars that's y we can't penetrate defences . Fazak L F C
We do not have any creativity out there today, same has been the case in a lot of games. possession is of no use if we can not create. I feel Suso is at present the best creative player in the team. Unleash him at Bridge BR.
Shail
We have won 2 games out of 10,and dont look like winning this 1 too,trying to play football when we need wins,is are problem!we need to get more direct and sod the pure football style. dare i say it man utd play it right.
Thanks i feel sick now!!"!
No Fazak xavi and iniesta were not born super stars they learnt how to play as they do under our reserve team manager Rudolpho and our young people are being schooled in the same way
11 Nov 2012 16:39:34
Lucas we need you. This formation is useless without a defensive midfielder.
Its not very good without a striker too!!
Is that not Allen?
11 Nov 2012 16:39:14
Note to Bren:
Barcelona are successful because they play tikki taka football in the opponents half.
LFC are unsuccessful this season because we play tippy tappy football in our own half.
Don't be surprised if we sack you Bren.
Barca play in spain and that style works,we play in england and it dos'nt!!
Celtic showed how to undo tiki tappy.
Asborb and punch.
BR doesn't have attack in his make up. He wants to PLAY football.
I want my team to score..its about results. Jmac
We have poor players, give him time to buy his own players to play his style of football. Would you play Downing or Henderson in this team.
I would not too.
11 Nov 2012 16:38:41
Chelsea are in a different league to us in terms of quality.
It's the same old story, lots of possession no ideas.
2 wins this season in total after 11 games is just not good enough. Like Brendan's ideas but we don't have the players which is FSG's fault.
Bottom half finish this season and we will lose Suarez, Reina, skirts and agger in the summer.
I agree. "Being Liverpool" next season will chronicle the fall of a once great club, ala Leeds.
11 Nov 2012 16:38:20
How many times have Allen already given the ball to chelsea players in dangerous areas I'm afraid we are going to be thumped
Not quite as many as Enrique
11 Nov 2012 16:36:47
so everyone jumping on the enrique bandwagon can be quiet now because hes our best full back going forward. Wisdom i a great prospect but he is without a doubt a CB and his confidence is becoming an issue because he give the ball away far to often. Joe Allen has had a run of bad games and it looks like that's going to continue, because hes been awful so far. No wonder he has the nickname Joe 'sideways' Allen because he doesn't seem to know how to pass forward. Can't see where the points are going to come from this season and I am normally very optimistic.
You must be joking hes constantly giving the ball away
Red1
Enrique gets man of the match and i must be joking...you should try and analyse matches better before you start typing nonsense
11 Nov 2012 16:36:27
Eds fellow reds . Hope now some of the BR fans will realise he is rubbish . Completely played of the park and once again Allen out of depth and percesion counts for nothing will go down under Rodgers
11 Nov 2012 16:36:12
I think BR is right.....we cannot compete with the big clubs
Well we need the tools to make it happen if fsg can't help they can follow the last pair of clowns
11 Nov 2012 16:35:23
Still don't see the point of Joe Allen. Gives the ball away, knocked off the ball to easy, can't tackle and has no clue what to do in the opposition half! Weak link!
And 22 years of age
11 Nov 2012 16:34:35
Will be 11 from 11 after today. Is this our worst start to a PL season? I think it is close
Canada Red
If we lose this will be our worst ever start in prem
11 Nov 2012 16:31:17
Carra starting?!?!? I am not sure if vomiting will help the nausea
11 Nov 2012 16:28:20
Carra is starting center back. Love him, but suspect a blowout is on the cards. Chelsea way too fast for Carra.
11 Nov 2012 16:28:08
Backwards sideways backwards give it keeper...
You forgot go up the left hand side then give it away
11 Nov 2012 16:23:00
Lol when you think Liverpool can't get any more unlucky the ref gets involved this time brilliant
11 Nov 2012 16:22:43
Howard webb screwing us over again i see Stemlocc1
11 Nov 2012 16:21:55
Called it.... The reff has done us in again
Try blaming the manager not the ref and yes I'm a liverpool fan we are going in the wrong direction
11 Nov 2012 16:17:12
ed 02 in the last 10 years epl teams won 3 euro cups.
spainish teams won 4 euro cups
italian teams 2 euro cups.
yes if looks better for the last ten years but not dominating by any means. not living in the past just replying to some posters stating epl teams dominating euro cup. just not true. not even more successful than spainish teams.
B O H {Ed002's Note - Porto is not a Spanish team, sorry. England has also had 50% of the runners up and 40% of the total semi final places in the past 10 years. They are by a long way the most successful nation.}
11 Nov 2012 16:11:32
Any reason Reina is still not back ?
CLX
11 Nov 2012 16:00:00
Waro you are the man !!!
Leam Red
11 Nov 2012 15:57:58
Jamie Carragher is definitely the weak link today. Think we will win though :)
11 Nov 2012 15:56:23
3.55
Carra.... Oops
We will be on our 6 yard box.
Hope I'm wrong....
Pistol Pete
11 Nov 2012 15:55:37
Why are liverpool fans worried about this game. Last time we played Chealse with the simpler formation with kenny as the gaffer we won. Chill out lads and enjoy the game
11 Nov 2012 15:54:42
2 liverpool - 1 chelsae
Suarez &sterling Mata
remember the name
Hazem
Remembered and forgot it.
11 Nov 2012 15:34:48
If we loose this Rodgers should just stay in London.
11 Nov 2012 15:33:18
Carragher is playing we have lost already.
11 Nov 2012 15:31:25
epl is a good league.
euro wins since being back in europe 4
spainish teams have 7 wins
italian teams have 6 wins
germa teams have 2 wins
sky bloat up th pl as the best league in the world for the last 20 years, euro cup wins show us as third best in europe.
in 70s and 80s three different english teams won 6 euro cups in a row, 7 euro cups in 8 seasons. we never saw that domination again, but then again managers like paisley and cloughie are rear breads. fergie is a top manager, 12 titles in 26 years is some record, though 2 european cup in that time not up there with the best.
B O H {Ed002's Note - In the past 10 years, EPL teams have been very considerably more successful than other European sides in teh Champions League. Perhaps you should not live quite so far back in the past.}
11 Nov 2012 15:49:00
Did anybody see adebayor dive i know its not relevant but if that was suarez it would be all over the back pages tmoz calling him a cheat an that lol make me laugh it really does seem the media and fa are anti liverpool (conspiracy) O YE 3-3 FOR TDAY LADS STEMLOCC1
11 Nov 2012 15:48:39
Carra starting......I feel sick...
11 Nov 2012 15:44:02
coonfused!
after watching liverpool anzhi on thursday night im shocked at how rogers thinks cole deserves a place on the bench! worst player in years at liverpool,done nothing since he come to collect his 100k a week
11 Nov 2012 15:28:42
chelsea fan here..so dont get your knickers in a twist..
5 men at the back!! r u sure lads!
well thanks for that and carragher too :)
3-0 to the blues today guys
no offence but you lot dont have the mustard upfront and your formation will just invite the best attacking force in the prem
cockney blue
2 1 to liverpool more like lad
Don't have the MUSTARD up front! What's that about!
Why not focus on your own mustard up front, Torres cant buy a goal at the moment, we rely on Suarez, you have relied on Mata in the last few weeks.
Dont be so confident, our formation is just as easily 3 at the back as it is 5.
Last point, United have the best attacking force in the prem, not you, they have scored the most goals so far this season.
Jay
Its 3-5-2 mate.
5 3 2 can always change to a 3 5 2 when attacking! Don't count your chicken's before they hatch cock! The only thing i'll agree with you is playing Carragher! Should of played Coates!
Its a 3-5-2 mate, I bet you anything that Enrique and Johnson are being used as Wing backs rather than Full backs.
Lee73
Oh we've heard this enough times, we did the double over you the last 2 seasons, a win is never guranteed, you COCKY twit.
It's so that the midfield can get in the box more which is what we're lacking at the moment so really in that sense great tactics
I will tell you this Cockney Blue. Ive just seen your back 4. Suarez and Sterling could have a field day.
The Irish Rover
11 Nov 2012 15:13:44
Well done Waro, top info
Yeah, great info Waro. I was hoping you were wrong. Im apprehensive about Carra and even Wisdom as Aggers partners. Yet you never know, football doesnt always go the way you think. Fingers crossed.
The Irish Rover
12 Nov 2012 13:10:15
Top man vote goes to Waro keep it up , I think we have a new hero in town
11 Nov 2012 15:13:27
Cole on the bench and 5 at the back.....Im not sure about this, I think playing Chelsea as the attacking side theyve been this year then your better off hitting fire with fire, were asking for trouble with 5 at the back....I dont like it,
Heres hoping for a good performance but im also hoping Mr Rodgers dosnt start with the same strange team selections that undid Rafa and Kenny......
Its a 3-5-2 mate, I bet you anything that Enrique and Johnson are being used as Wing backs rather than Full backs.
It doesn't matter where Johnson and Enrique play, Carragher will be a liability. I hope I'm wrong and will hold my hands up if he plays well - but he shouldn't be getting games now at this level.
redmersey
11 Nov 2012 15:10:32
dzecko on for city , will probably score its a shame we don't try to get him at least to unsettle him, he must want 1st team regularity surely also he is MUSTARD and exactly what lfc need, like a bierhoff in his pomp. Efforts should be made for walcott and a mid season loan for villa.
also lets have a solid splash out on cavani, i know cheski ed 2 still things they can buy who ever they want but lets do it lfc. if anything suarez will have the confidence he needs in a partner and may, MAY even square the odd ball for a tap in. These arn't impossible and if we put solid offers in instead of showing a weak negotiating hand and getting rinsed they are do able , lets take 18 or so months to get cl football then we can reap the rewards of having suso ,coady,morgan,shelv's etc etc and then get the tools out on the redevelopment. Speculate to accumilate solid cash for solid talent. lets do it .
always behind the team and never walk alone. and ed 002 i hope we do you's today i predict 3-1.
p.s i always predict 3-1 lol.
11 Nov 2012 14:54:50
A lot of rumours that although Sterling confirmed he would sign a new contract after his 18th birthday, he has now removed his tweet - anything on this? Perhaps his manger/agent getting greedy?
Redkieran414
Or the club don't want this type of info to get out?
11 Nov 2012 14:54:48
hi eds any chance we could go in for marin? Not started a prem game for chelsea and is supposedly wanting a move so he can kick-start his internstional career with Germany. {Ed002's Note - I think you have rather badly misinformed. He has been out injured until a couple of weeks ago.}
11 Nov 2012 14:25:57
re torres rumours, not sure i'd want him back ,but ask yourself a question who is better, available and willing to come to liverpool(lets be honest a fading club with little chance of european football) those fans who slag him off, should take a reality check about the state of the club at the time.
reading pepe reina book made me think about things differently ,players don't have the emotional attachment we have and reading what was going on at the time i'm surprised anybody stayed.
11 Nov 2012 14:22:56
Dortmund would knock all of them 3 teams at the top out of the Champions League.
kidmillions
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Kidmillions mate Dortmund play counter attacking footy compare to us they don't play with 70-80% possession they break quickly and surprise opposition which is their main strength thise is the same systeam Rafa used when we dominated europe again this is the same systeam Mourinho used when he was at Chelsea or Porto or Inter. I'm sure if Dortnund would be playing in Epl they wouldn't be successful as they are in Bundesliga coz there only threat is Bayern munich. Mate there is a reason why Epl is called one of the best/toughest league in the world. If you compare to others league. Eg. In spain only two teams are strong.Bundesliga again only two teams are stong where in EPL there are 4-5 teams who are very strong atleast domestically.
Only 2 good teams in Spain?? Did you not see the other european final then?
And in all honesty UTD are often outplayed but play counter attacking football.
11 Nov 2012 15:00:28
Did shalke not just do very well against arsenal. Bilboa destroyed united last year, Athletico Madrid destroyed Chelsea in the super cup. Deluded english media always claiming the epl is far superior to any other. This unfortunately is not true anymore. Its more competitive because most of our teams unfortunately havent progressed hugely in the last 2-3 seasons.
Think how good epl was when united had ronaldo, we had our team under rafa, Chelsea had the mourinho team and arsenal had cesc, van persie, nasri and the likes.
Like it or not the epl is not as strong as it used to be.
Jason
Agree with you regarding the german league mate only two hreat sides to be fair but la liga theres ath madrid, malaga, ath bilbao as well as barca and madrid... look at what ath madrid did to chelsea in super cup and bilbao to united in europa league! bloody good sides and fantastic to watch
ian the red
11 Nov 2012 15:50:49
Ian the red mate honestly do you think Dortmund would be successful in epl as they are in Bundesliga?
11 Nov 2012 14:03:11
If Torres has an absolute stormer of a game today then I think the rumours of an Anfield return could be true.
A few years ago whilst playing for Hodgson, Torres was struggling as was the whole team. Then along came Chavski, a team Torres wanted to join.
I remember he was world class, ripped the Chavski defence apart and scored whilst LFC claimed an unlikely win.
We all know Roman wants Falcao and that will leave Torres out of the team.
My own personal opinion is the players will swap teams plus a large fee, but todays game may tell a different story.
If Suarez scores 5 goals today, then rumours of him going to Chelsea in Jan for £50m will appear. That's how the game is, how the media is. The Torres of old has long gone, even if he scores today it just covers up the fact he will never be the same player he once was, sad. Suarez will go on to be our best No. 7 since Dalglish, forget Torres and enjoy the Suarez show. If we hold onto him for another 3 years or so I would be ecstatic. RC
11 Nov 2012 13:50:02
rogers will have about 10mill to spend in Jan so can we all stop dreaming about players who will demand either 100k a week or CL football. Brendan will sign someone we haven't been linked with and hopefully will make a difference.
If your quote is right then liverpool will be in a relegation battle ,because you will struggle to a top championship striker for that money
To the second poster it's about finding un hidden talents not just splashing 50 million on players
11 Nov 2012 13:02:41
All these rumours about Sterling. I hope they are not true. If he is really willing to quit the club for money then I wish him luck. The club showed faith in him, they gave him a chance for first team football and I think the club deserves some appreciation back. If he wants to earn the earth and he does not care about his pride and the club then he can go. There are other players out there that do care about things other than money
Alex
U answered your own question,rumours
11 Nov 2012 13:01:31
Just watched the rememberence coverage particularly around young men killed recently in the line of service. Whilst we hope for a great result today let's get everything in perspective and think of those who have fallen. We shall remember them.
11 Nov 2012 13:08:22
so last season in the top five leagues in Europe, only Barcelona spent more time in the attacking third of the field, while the Reds out-shot their opposition in all but five of their 38 league games, so who thought it would be a good idea to let Bellamy, Kuyt and Carrol go and just sign a young Borrini when we could not convert all those chances?
I'm sorry but that is serious mis managment. Lets hope it gets put right this window and we get some quality in, were not that far off been good.
Bellamy left for personal reasons and Kuyt left due to a clause in his contract, Carroll is rubbish from top-to-bottom, BR knew it, how many goals has he scored for West Ham? Brendan tried to keep; Maxi, Bellamy and Kuyt.
AsianRed
So we had all that time in the final third and out shot nearly everyone yet failed to score anywhere near the goals we should have, so you complain when we replace those mis firing strikers?
Some people just like to moan
MIKEY
You miss the point of the post completely, it is not about why they left or even how good they were, the point is with those options we couldnt score so how the hell where we expecting to with even less?
Try reading.
If you are going to get rid of your strikers it is generally a good idea to replace them.
11 Nov 2012 13:07:44
If I can get over 100 believable hits for this comment will the eds ban all El sulko (Torres) rumours till after jan transfer window . GR8 work keep it up
Not doing that good are you!
11 Nov 2012 13:06:36
We need to start playing the English way with full backs that can defend properly and kick the ball the length of the pitch, central defenders that can head it the length of the pitch. Midfielders playing pinpoint diagonals to pacy wingers who cross the ball to a big robust and bustling Centre forward aided by a tricky inside forward... ah!!!! football as it should be played.. Sorry that was last Season.......Had yer for a minute there :):):):):)
Rodgers is doing a great job, were playing better every week the correct results will follow." Pass and move is the only way to consistently challenge for honours.
I learnt that from listening to a certain Bill Shankly and watching his and then Bob Paisleys Liverpool teams many years ago.
Don't be too hasty posting the negatives if we happen to lose today? Try to look at the bigger picture.. We'll get there eventually. Shanks and Bob will be cheering us on from above I'm sure.... Pass and Move and 100% work ethic throughtout the Club is our route to success not money...
kidmillions
Haha, I was about to jump the gun and kick right off after that first paragraph! Lol. Good post mate.
davethebutcher
Thought it was a Moyes team talk when I started reading :-)
Red1
11 Nov 2012 13:08:22
so last season in the top five leagues in Europe, only Barcelona spent more time in the attacking third of the field, while the Reds out-shot their opposition in all but five of their 38 league games, so who thought it would be a good idea to let Bellamy, Kuyt and Carrol go and just sign a young Borrini when we could not convert all those chances?
I'm sorry but that is serious mis managment. Lets hope it gets put right this window and we get some quality in, were not that far off been good.
The same Bellamy, Kuyt, Carrol who had all those chances and didn't convert them you mean, Who would keep them ?
Mis-management NO !!
YOUR Mis-judgement YES !!
Bella above players and my Kuyt and Maxi decided they were leaving last season cos they were not in the first team and only played in the cup games, this was to justify the new signings from Kenny. This will also explain why we done well in the cups and were poor in the league. Hendo Downing Spearing Adam were all preferred by Kenny ahead of the above players + Carrol which also cost us in the 2 Cup finals when KK dropped the cup players for his league players. Luckily we beat Cardiff and Carroll nearly rescued us against Chelski.
Judge BR after he is allowed to buy a couple of forwards not before, Borini may still come good in a couple of years.
Red1
11 Nov 2012 13:07:44
If I can get over 100 believable hits for this comment will the eds ban all El sulko (Torres) rumours till after jan transfer window . GR8 work keep it up
They will just return again in the summer untill he goes somewhere else.
Red1
11 Nov 2012 13:06:36
We need to start playing the English way with full backs that can defend properly and kick the ball the length of the pitch, central defenders that can head it the length of the pitch. Midfielders playing pinpoint diagonals to pacy wingers who cross the ball to a big robust and bustling Centre forward aided by a tricky inside forward... ah!!!! football as it should be played.. Sorry that was last Season.......Had yer for a minute there :):):):):)
Rodgers is doing a great job, were playing better every week the correct results will follow." Pass and move is the only way to consistently challenge for honours.
I learnt that from listening to a certain Bill Shankly and watching his and then Bob Paisleys Liverpool teams many years ago.
Don't be too hasty posting the negatives if we happen to lose today? Try to look at the bigger picture.. We'll get there eventually. Shanks and Bob will be cheering us on from above I'm sure.... Pass and Move and 100% work ethic throughtout the Club is our route to success not money...
kidmillions
You got me for a minute! Well said.
DaveyBootle
Where as now we have full backs that cant defend and are leaking goals alarmingly compared to last season. Wingers which Man Utd have used succesfully for so many years, you know, Giggs, Valencia, Nani, Ronaldo before he played more centrally, and a bustling centre forward who spent more time on Liverpools bench than on the field. Not even taking in that i would be sure they scored more than 11 goals in their first 10 Pl games.
The Irish Rover
11 Nov 2012 12:36:27
My prediction today is:
Chelsea 2 Liverpool 1
Not putting money on it today though, I broke my golden rule of not betting on Liverpool the other day and it cost me.
Enjoy the game and good luck Liverpool.
Please feel free to post your predictions below.
MIKEY
11 Nov 2012 13:07:05
Mikey mate I go Chelsea 3-1 liverpool or 4-2 as chelsea will attack us with mata hazzard torres oscar at the same time will too attack them difference is they have got a lot of players who can score where we are heavily relient on Suarez. I think thise game will be more open will attack eachother
I think we'll shock a few people today!
I hope we win of course but am going to take my red tinted glasses off , am going 3-1 Chelsea although I obviously hope the lads prove me wrong.
Tom.
11 Nov 2012 13:07:05
Mikey mate I go Chelsea 3-1 liverpool or 4-2 as chelsea will attack us with mata hazzard torres oscar at the same time will too attack them difference is they have got a lot of players who can score where we are heavily relient on Suarez. I think thise game will be more open will attack eachother
Chelsea 2 Liverpool 2 for me Mikey. I feel we have a chance.
The real AG
Nice to see some loyal reds, ay? I'd hate to be down the trenches with some of you lot.
DaveyBootle
It's a prediction it's nothing to do with loyalty mate.
MIKEY
11 Nov 2012 12:32:44
Hope we can get all three points today, we seem to be able to play much better away at the moment and Chelsea's weakness apart from centre of defence is when they havn't got the ball. So if we dominate possesion we should be able to sneak it. We also need good results to our way in todays other games so my predictions are............
.....Chelsea 0...Liverpool 1........................................
..Newcastle 1...West ham 1......................................
...Man City 3....Spurs 1..........................................
3 X Doubles + Treble x 2 on results and Correct scores should pay nicely.
kidmillions
I've gone for Chelsea 3 - 1
I've gone for Chelsea 3 - 1 Liverpool
Newcastle 2 - 0 West Ham
Man City 2 - 1 Spurs
25p accumulator - £330 back. I would trade it for a Liverpool win though.
Ash
Do you not get 3 x singles also, providing all are correct, 1 treble, 3 doubles, 3 singles?
11 Nov 2012 12:17:26
There's a reason that a certain Spaniard currently down in west London has been very pro-Liverpool of late (on the topic of Stevie's 600 etc) I think. Watch this space...
Mite be just cos we're playin chelsea and he's pals with stevie, i don't read to much into it but just my opinion, simonpw
11 Nov 2012 12:13:14
keep up the great site eds,just love the site.come on LIVERPOOL,lets have the win today red men,best of luck boys,hoping for a great team performance today by are boys,an lets see super suarez bang in some goal's,lets win the game boys an bring home the 3pts.i cant wait its count down to kick off.roll on 4pm.jay essex red for life red till dead...walk on walk on,
11 Nov 2012 11:35:46
its no coincidence that the three teams at the top of the epl are the richest. one has got to hope that the rumours of fsg hitting bad times pushes them into selling us to a wealthy businessman as its are only hope of ever getting back to our rightful position at top of the pile. im afraid mediocrity beckons for the next generation as MONEY talks.
alan waddle
Well if it does I hope it says 'our' and not 'are'
Puzzled
Alan are Dortmund and Montpellier not good examples of how to build a club properly. I dont want us to have silly money. Also FSG have spent loads on players its just a shame Kenny screwed it
Mighty reds
Dortmund would knock all of them 3 teams at the top out of the Champions League.
kidmillions
A trophy is 10x as sweet when you earn it the right way mate.
MIKEY
Everton have done well with no money
I would rather we didn't become a sugar daddy team.
derryred
11 Nov 2012 11:35:20
I think us not buying a forward on deadline day was a blessing, hold on let me explain.
First im pretty sure BR knew what the situation was and he let Carrol go, that was a very bold statement he made, it showed very clearly that he was his own boss and he was going to use the players he feels are right.
Secondly, thinking about how long it was gonna take us to adapt to the style of play, it was not really the most ideal time for a very good forward to join us. Right now when u look at the way we play, u know exactly what type of striker we need, u can almost point it out where he will stand or make runs for goal.
To really understand this, think back to last season when KK arrived, we changed styles and made a huge by in Carrol who was scoring for fun, but the fact that we were transitioning , the whole squad was, it made things far worse for him, and each week the pressure pilled on him. Look at him now, hes not scoring but hes thriving at westham.
In January or the summer, we can buy and when we do. I promise u , it will be good days all over again. In my native language we say it gets very dark just before the sun comes out.
Look out people , the liverbird is rising from the ashes.
Ciah
11 Nov 2012 12:31:09
Isn't that a quote from The Dark Knight??
Scoring for fun. LOL. which andy carroll were u watching?
I remember us being in a fullback crisis. Step forward kelly, robinson and flanno now wisdom too. i hope something similar happens.
derryred
11 Nov 2012 11:23:58
Anzhi vs Liverpool.... me keyboards been broke but thought I'd give a better late than never summary of what I saw...
Jones - dealt with almost everything he faced well. If you were being super critical you could argue that he was a little too far off his line for the goal - personally I just think if was a quality finish which could not be blamed on the Goalkeeper.
Coates - I thought by an large he had a good game. Was solid and commanding but, unfortunately, was badly at fault for the Anzhi goal. Really lacks pace as well, playing him with Carragher is suicidal.
Carragher - Looks a shadow of his former self these days. Vert slow to react to dangers presented but fortunately has a footballing brain which managed to make him effective in this game. Think this should be his last season, hopefully will be offered a player/coach contract at the end of the season.
Wisdom - Thought he was probably the best out of the centre backs (I may be wrong but looked like we were playing with a back 3 for the majority of the game). Solid, good work rate and very apt at nipping attacks in the bud. Had one moment were he dawdled on the ball which lead to Anzhi counter attacking, he has been guilty of that a few times this season so something he needs to work on.
Flanagan - Full of energy and passion, got down the right a few times and did well attacking wise. Defensively seemed to get caught out of position quite a number of times and was guilty of diving in rashly. Decent back-up player but hard to seem Flanagan making it as a first teamer.
Downing - Was he playing as left back or left winger? I wasn't sure. Strangely did his defensive duty much better in this game than in previous ones. Broke up attacks down the left surprisingly well. In possession was his usual inconsistent self, it is so frustrating - one minute will put in a beautiful delivery, the next won't even clear the first defender. Based on pure talent he should be doing much better, his potential compared to his actual performances is what gets to me the most. Sooner he is sold the better.
Coady - Was a really difficult game to make your debut in. Was caught on the ball a few times and misplaced passes a number of times as well. I'll get slayed for criticising him but the amount of hype and fervour surrounding our young players at the moment is really disproportionate to how they arfe actually playing (which is not to say they are playing badly, more fans are over hyping them way too much. Coady worked tirelessly and I think we will see better performances from him in future.
Henderson - I've been a staunch supporter of Henderson and often said to people, "he'll be like lucas, he'll come good"... well I can only keep that mantra so long, this game was abysmal for him. Didn't seem to break up the play effectively, was like a headless chicken attacking wise. Remember him smashing a ball miles over the bar in the second half and in the first, when through on goal, opted to try and cut it back instead of shooting or going round the goalkeeper. Confidence looks shot, can't see him sticking around for very long.
Shelvey - Has had a run of poor games now and this continued his recent form. Makes decent inroads attacking wise but his end product is abysmal whether we are talking about a final ball or a shot. Free kick which he ushered Henderson off in the second half summed up his performance.
Cole - Had one or two neat flicks early in the first half, after about 20 minutes he did absolutely nothing to change the course of the game. Poor touches, poor passes, constant loss of possession and a real lack of desire. Needs moving on as soon as possible, has nothing to offer our club.
Morgan - Didn't get may chances and showed a little naivety during the game however I was very impressed with his running, not simply the work rate but the actual intelligence of his movement, looked like a proper striker. Hopefully can bulk up a little more and get a few more games under his belt, think he shows a lot of promise.
Suso - Did look good when he came on and seemed to give us a renewed thrust going forward. Had one good shot from distance and distribution on the whole was good. Still looks like an 18 year old at times though, if our squad wasn't so threadbare I'm sure he wouldn't be getting so many games just yet as he doesn't quite look ready at the moment.
Pacheco - Was disappointed with him. Has been quite a consistent performer in the Europa League so I thought this was going to be another chance for him to stake a claim for a more regular place. Instead gave the ball away with bad passing, didn't make any decent runs, was caught in possession and really made no impact at all from the bench. Disappointing.
Assaidi - Wasn't given much time to make an impression and subsequently made little contribution. Does always offer an outlet on the wing but doesn't always use the possession and time on the ball in the best way. Think it might be worth starting him over Suso against Chelsea though.
Conclusions:
First of all I think it is worth noting that this was a long way to travel, the team was very young and inexperienced, that Anzhi are a good team and that the pitch was appalling. The grass was very long and I think, even with more first teamers, that we would of struggled to pass the ball fluidly and speedily. I am sure this was a deliberate tactic of Anzhi's and, credit were it's due, it worked. Some players seem to disappoint week in week out, you'd think given that we are Liverpool, and that the manager seems very open with regards to his selection policy, that there would be more fight from certain individuals. Sadly there wasn't enough evidence of that. The youngsters seem to constantly outshine the more senior players and they are getting their rewards by being given chances. The future looks bright but the present looks decidedly murky. Having said that it took a moment of inspiration from Traore (which was a peach of a goal) to settle the game and I think, casting a positive eye on the game, that the youngsters show great promise and provide us with a platform to build upon.
This was a tough place to go, we dominated possession but created next to nothing. The rebuilding process is going to take a lot of time, I think results like this should be expected, we are not going to go on massive winnin streaks at this moment in time. The team needs time and patience given to it and Rodgers needs time to build a team in his own image - we can only hope the Americans give him the financial backing, as well as the time, to do so.
SMc
Ron Obvious
Spot on.
derryred
11 Nov 2012 10:51:42
morning fellow reds just to say cant wait for today and for chelsea fans singing #we know what we are champions of europe we wil sing #weve won it 5 times istanbul we have won it 5 times. hope suarez shuts up all them fans and hits that onion bag!
jimmy lfc
11 Nov 2012 08:59:08
Rodgers wants three attackers and possibly one defender in January. A striker, a winger that can play upfront, and an attacking midfielder. Henderson, Cole, Downing, Enrique, Jones, Pacheco are likely to leave but Doni may go instead of Jones if he hasn't returned to England by then.
Walcott is the only player I am sure we want to sign. Alex Pearce depends on whether his contract situation is resolved.
11 Nov 2012 08:06:45
How far off is Lucas from returning? {Ed002's Note - A few weeks. Around the end of the month.}
11 Nov 2012 05:21:26
I had the honour of meetin 1 of the ladies who is fighting for justice for the families of the 96 and wat a lovely lady jus made me relise how lucky I am to be part of the LFC family YNWA JON96 KEEP UP THE FANTASTIC WORK
11 Nov 2012 04:40:31
Damiao to Liverpool in Jan. Internacional were reluctant in summer due to their season still on going but will be more likely to accept a reasonable offer in Jan after their season has ended. This is the reason we did not sign anyone on transfer deadline day.
Jay
Naw i think he is for athletico when falcao leaves them.
derryred
11 Nov 2012 02:17:39
I'm not concerned about the match tomorrow, we always turn up against the teams currently doing well...i'd take Chelsea over Stoke or Swansea! Hope our lads give them an absolute hammering. Hopefully they have come up with some more original chants than 'Luis Suarez we know what you are', we know what Luis is too, the striker they wish they had.
Luis suarez we know youre a STAR, we know youre a STAR luis suarez we know youre a STAR.
11 Nov 2012 01:58:04
dissertation ..... {Ed002's Note - Sure and search on FFPR.}
11 Nov 2012 01:39:43
Our target in January is to get better quality around Suarez which we will do by bringing in an attacking mid and a winger and plus a striker.
Wesley Sneijder: AM - £14.8m (18.5m euros)
Dries Mertens: Winger - £9.5m (12m euros)
Lucas Barrios: Striker - £6.8m (8.5m euros)
£31.1m
downing £7m
henderson £8m
cole £1.5m
£16.5m
31.1 - 16.5 = £14.6m net spending
This post made me chuckle.....
Sneijder! Didn't know we had started paying £250,000 a week wages!
Could you do my Christmas shopping for me I thought Martin Lewis was good
Gee mab