Liverpool Banter Archive November 11 2016

11 Nov 2016 21:13:36
Gary Mcallister said Jamie Carragher shouted to him before he took the last minute free kick against Evertom "don't you h
**kin dare"! Glad he didn't listen! What a goal.

11 Nov 2016 19:28:34
If titles are the only thing that will keep Courinho at LFC, why don't we all start calling him SIR COUTINHO? lol.

11 Nov 2016 21:22:01
WHy not Prince Phil?

12 Nov 2016 09:06:10
Why not both?

11 Nov 2016 16:33:48
Coutinho is playing so well because of the system we're playing.
Everyone is playing well!
I'd argue that Firmino is playing better than Coutinho.
Most of his work is done off the ball and goes unseen.
He just doesn't stop.
Whether Coutinho stays or goes I don't mind.
We no longer rely on one person.
We're a team!

11 Nov 2016 16:51:35
Coutinho is playing outstanding at the moment though. If we want to build something special then we have to find a way to keep our best players.

11 Nov 2016 17:53:09
Absolutely, boys. in fact, Tite the Brazilian coach said that he is building the team around couts which is why Willian can`t get a game as he is not Cout` equal. Klopp I think, is/ will do the same here provided we have CL every season and win some Cups. As for Firmino, the guy is just brilliant on and off the ball. I`m not sure he even knows how good he is or can be everything he does looks so effortless and it looks like he`s not even breaking a sweat.

11 Nov 2016 23:35:21
He's playing well because the team is performing well.
The team is set up for him, llana and Firnho to provide the finish but don't underestimate the team ethic at Liverpool FC.
Its what's missing at Utd. Thank God, and long may the special one continue to single out and publicly criticise his players.

11 Nov 2016 14:45:42
I love all these transfer rumours. On Football Whispers 3 out of the top 6 "Top Whispers" are moving to Liverpool.

Kondogbia
Azmoun
Pavon

Just below that on Sky Sports we are preparing a bid for Herrera!

What do the Ed's know ey! Obviously going to be a VERY busy Jan.

11 Nov 2016 15:23:58
Miguel? Hector? Ander? Which Herrera are they on about? Tell me, I must have clarity on the nonsense!

11 Nov 2016 15:36:54
It's going to be that busy we'll probably end up with all.
I mean after all, Klopp can't be happy with his current squad. Can he!?

11 Nov 2016 17:54:48
Helenio Herrera.

11 Nov 2016 11:31:36
To the Eds, firstly apologize if this is not the appropriate page to ask this, and if it is not, it's ok if you guys decided not to post this.

I wanted to ask for the Eds and fellow Reds' opinions about this poppies issue.

Somehow, I kinda agree with Mills saying instead of "commercializing" the issue, the FAs can just donate all the costs it might incurred if this resulted to fines etc. It would be more beneficial for the cause.

But I'm not British, and I might not understand entirely the significance and the importance of wearing these poppies, and I'm sorry for that. So guys, care to share your guys' opinions and thoughts about this?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I am OK with you posting it and given there has ben some reasonable off subject discussions in recent days, there are no games to moan about and everyone is behaving well, we will see how it goes Haizan.}

11 Nov 2016 13:25:22
I think it's absolutely disgusting personally.

11 Nov 2016 13:41:20
I think if players/ people want to wear the Poppy well good for them, BUT, I think the Poppy has been taken over by the PC brigade and it is not an option not to wear the Poppy regardless of nationality. There are people who will be standing at the front of these commemorations who afterwords will not give two hoots about those serving their country.

11 Nov 2016 12:56:01
It's about rememberence. It's not political or commercial.
Remembering those who have offered and paid the ultimate sacrifice.
It's a personal choice, though why anyone would not want to remember is beyond me. If players want to wear one, they should wear one and the FA should back them up all the way. Players/ clubs may wish to donate to the charity too which would be a very appropriate thing to do IMO.

11 Nov 2016 14:01:47
Agree with you Haizan the whole thing has gone overboard. Why risk a fine or point deduction when perhaps something can be done before the game to commemorate the occasion. Instead getting a fine defeats the purpose when that money could have gone towards the charity itself.

11 Nov 2016 14:50:19
I'd rather the team wear it and get deducted points because they'll do bugger all anyway. it's an absolute disgrace been on such a position. Disgusting is an understatement.

11 Nov 2016 15:21:22
I think we should be proud of what previous generations have gone thru and sacrificed for the rest of us to live as we do today. I think it is only right that we respect the armed forces that have lost their lives in countries all over the world while we get on with our daily lives. It's a British tradition that we buy and wear poppies with pride. A small thankyou for everything that they do and have done in the past. I would stick 2 fingers up to Fifa and take the fine. Same goes for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

11 Nov 2016 15:38:16
I think the decision taken has been disgraceful as it is not a political symbol, it is a symbol of remembrance. It is a memorial for all soldiers who have died and a reminder of the cost of all wars in the hope that there will be no more names to add to the list next year or any year after. This makes it nothing more than a 'local' version of other global organisations with the same message e. g. Peace One Day/ World Peace Day, which FIFA were more than happy to endorse.

Equally, it is also the symbol for the charity Royal British Legion and when Barcelona have UNICEF on their shirts for years, Aston Villa have the Acorns Childrens Hospice often and Liverpool have Seeing is Believing (I'm sure there are loads of other examples I just don't Know them) and no-one cares, I'm not entirely sure how they can justify deciding that this legal charities' symbol isn't allowed but others are.

That being said, the mere fact that the question was asked should be enough - the importance of the day has been remembered. Whatever costs it would incure to show our support is irrelevant and as someone pointed out, a donation of the potential fine amount to the right causes would be far more useful than a fine to show support into the pockets of FIFA. As fun as sticking two fingers up at FIFA is, let's be smart here guys - helping is much more important than being seen to help. Thanks to the FA for trying, it didn't work, FIFA makes bad choices (whats new? ), let's move on.

11 Nov 2016 17:31:12
Who politicised the poppy? The media has done this not the RBL or the military. Our military are non political. They take the oath of allegiance to the ruling monarch. They serve their country for the greater good. They are then sent off to do the politicians bidding. The same politicians the majority of the population vote in.

11 Nov 2016 18:14:53
If all players at the clubs were British than i'd say yeah, but some people don't remember what other people remember. As an Irishman I wouldn't want to wear a poppy to remember people who killed Irish people during the troubles (poppy to my knowledge is to remember all fallen soldiers from all wars if I'm corriect) . I know the Irish were just as bad during the troubles and I don't have any grudge to hold against any country for somethings that happened too long ago, let's face it i speak English I support English football teams I have many English friends, colleagues etc. Further to that I know many Irish people fought with Britain in the war and fair play to them for doing their thing but for some it's not them they remember.

James McClane is a perfect example he won't wear a poppy because direct relatives of his were killed by British soldiers and I completely understand his stance yet every year he is berated for not wearing the poppy.

I hope I don't come across in anyway disrespectful on the issue but i do feel it should be celebrated differently. I feel the British should feel proud to honour fallen brothers, sisters, mothers fathers etc. who lost their lives during war. In relation to the upcoming international there should be no reason why the event cannot be celebrated.

11 Nov 2016 22:42:07
James McClane has more faces than a 50 pence piece. he'all not wear a poppy because of the troubles in NI. however he's happy enough to wear an Easter Lilly which is a symbol of republicanism and killing of innocent people. so whatever James does, I wouldn't hold it up as a sign of what to do!

11 Nov 2016 23:47:01
How would we feel if the fa or uefa stopped us having the badge for our 96
fallen fans.
Enough said.
Fifa is a joke.
They have so much other fu?, ;"ng bigger problems than bitching abouf people remembering their dead.
If you want to wear a poppy or a lilly wear one just respect the feelings of others.

11 Nov 2016 11:08:39
Got to say Coutinho is a very, very special player. In years to come we will be saying how lucky we were to have such a phenomenal talent. Not only a magician on the field but impeccable off it, I'd have to say he's our most talented player at the club but I'd say our most important player right now is Firmino who else would agree?

{Ed002's Note - So who would you replace them with next summer if you had, say, £100M to spend?}

11 Nov 2016 11:36:59
Coric seems to have a big future Ed and is certainly attracting a lot of interest from various clubs and while I agree that Coutinho is very special I think we would find it harder to like-for-like replace Firmino just because of the rare combination of attributes that he has.

11 Nov 2016 11:39:46
I would try using the 100M to entice them into staying, but hey let's just see what happens, and enjoy his skills while we have them at our club.

11 Nov 2016 11:46:43
Depay or Max Mayer?

Baz.

11 Nov 2016 11:28:43
Out of curiosity Ed, how would you spend that £100 million? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - A nice house in Sausalito.}

11 Nov 2016 11:36:59
Coric seems to have a big future Ed and is certainly attracting a lot of interest from various clubs and while I agree that Coutinho is very special I think we would find it harder to like-for-like replace Firmino just because of the rare combination of attributes that he has.

11 Nov 2016 11:39:46
I would try using the 100M to entice them into staying, but hey let's just see what happens, and enjoy his skills while we have them at our club.

{Ed002's Note - Actually, you would not have the £100M if they were staying.}

11 Nov 2016 11:46:43
Depay or Max Mayer?

Baz.

11 Nov 2016 12:24:46
Suarez back as part of the transfer, or no deal
😜😜.

11 Nov 2016 12:38:06
What a horrible thought, I'd like to think we wouldn't lose both of them in one window. Replacing the goals and guile would be difficult to say the least.

11 Nov 2016 11:58:30
No way ed, keep our best players and build around them, there is no guarantee that the replacement (s) will be able to bring to the table what Coutinho brings, I would much rather have a quality player than a large sum of money in the bank.

11 Nov 2016 11:59:23
NO ED02. Money will take back inot yet another transition without a doubt. We are notoriously famous for transition. No doubt we will buy some but it's the same cycle that keeps repeating. 3 years down the line the next one goes.
Let's keep him and land the league.
Top of the league after 13 games. Let's go for the big one.

{Ed002's Note - No other club goes in to transition when a player leaves except Liverpool.}

11 Nov 2016 12:41:25
Ok ed002. I guess we'd take a griezzman straight swap. Otherwise I'd spend all the 100m on You.

11 Nov 2016 13:13:42
Seriously Baz? Memphis Depay?

11 Nov 2016 13:30:27
Ed002

Hi ed. Well, scary thought them two leaving but nevertheless interesting question.

Think we could relatively cope with the loss of one. Both leaving would be a massive void and could set us back seasons.


Given our recent and not so recent history of big money spends, I'd be less than optimistic that we'd spend that sort of money (£100m) as well as we should.
Klopp though has and could prove to be better.



What about you ed002, what do you think would be the best way for Liverpool to replace those two players in the possible event that they depart next summer. taking into account what is realistic for us.

I understand that a lot may hinge on where we finish come May.


Would appreciate your thoughts on this one.

{Ed002's Note - It is a case of finding others who fit the system and brining them in. Players are transient and come and go all of the time. Whilst both players are very good there are plenty out there to look at.}

11 Nov 2016 12:54:28
I'm getting paranoid about firmino now, not heard of any interest and I'm sure the club wouldn't let our two best players go in one window, would they?

11 Nov 2016 14:08:45
I'd probably just play Origi through the middle and sign Carrasco for the left wing.

Carrasco, Origi and Mane sounds good to me! Don't forget we still have Ings, Sturridge and all the lads from the academy as well.

11 Nov 2016 14:22:19
Suarez aside we do tend to view our players with rose tinted glasses and make our players better than they are. Coutinho is a very good player but he is not irreplaceable, a hazard, sanchez et al would be as good or better and i am sure there are options out there that none of us have heard or think of. For instance who heard about or considered firmino or mane before they joined.

I am in no way suggesting we cash in but i will not be castigating him or the club if we do and will wait with good anticipation for whomever Klopp decides to replace him with. That may include utilising one of our excellent youth players like ojo or kent or spending 80m on the new messi which i don't think we will do btw.

11 Nov 2016 14:23:58
Personally I would get one of Draxler/ Meyer/ Brandt to replace Coutinho if it were to happen. I don't think any of them are better than Coutinho at the moment but they are all young and they could each become special players.

I'd also get Kasper Dolberg with the money. Another very special talent who could offer a different element to our attack to help make up for the loss. He scores and assists so I think he would fit in well.

11 Nov 2016 13:01:03
Haha fair enough Ed i walked into that! what about all that imaginary money we always talk about us spending every transfer window ;)

{Ed002's Note - I am cool with you spending all of the imaginary money you want.}

11 Nov 2016 13:03:47
Ed002,

Its not about signign th most expensive player in my opinion its about signing the right player be it £3m or £30m. Klopp has a knack of unearthing gems instead of going out and buying the ready made thing so that in mind i'd probably have to say (my personal choice) Malli, Brandt or Patrick Hermmann. I'd be slightly wary of Herrmann's previous injury troubles, but the medical side of things is something I know little to nothing about so I can form a strong opinion on that.

The Bundesliga strikes me as a division with copious amounts of attacking talent and is also a league Klopp knows much abut. Who would you go for Ed?

{Ed002's Note - I am going to keep thinking about taht.}

11 Nov 2016 14:41:01
TJ

That was lol. Y would you spend £100 mill on ED02 ha ha 😂.

11 Nov 2016 14:43:15
If we lost Coutinho I would try to bring in Mahrez for the left and/ or spend the lot on Aubameyang. Klopp, however, would probably spend it better than me on three or four players I've never heard of (that ultimately win us the league! )

11 Nov 2016 14:55:59
I'd be gutted if Coutinho left. But I am confident that in Klopp we have a manager who would be able to identify the right replacement. With any luck Coutinho can realise his ambitions with us now that we have a top class manager and a team that is clearly going in the right direction and playing really good attacking football.

11 Nov 2016 14:58:05
Depay? Please.

11 Nov 2016 16:07:58
Pulisic and Griezmann. I watch the Bundesliga and IMO, Pulisic is going to be a special player. Griezmann is probably my 2nd favorite attacker behind Muller.

11 Nov 2016 19:21:38
If Coutinho were to go, I would look at Luan, the kid from the Brazil Olympic team. He looked like another Firmino to me. I would also look at Julian Draxler, Alen Halilovic and James Rodriguez. And even Delle Alli, why not? Paulo Dybala would be a dream, a very expensive one.

12 Nov 2016 23:52:59
100, million to spend?
You could buy 100 Pogbas for that.

11 Nov 2016 09:58:18
Hey fans!

I'm over in Oz, anyone have a decent stream website for an iPad? Need to try and watch the England game and the other games for next 2 weeks!

Thanksssss.

11 Nov 2016 10:40:07
I've always had good results with Universal TV HD - iPad and iPhone apps. A shed load of ads before the stream starts, but once its connected, its good.

11 Nov 2016 10:53:03
Try watching paint dry. it might entertain you a bit more then the England game mate. better yet, watch grass grow.

11 Nov 2016 11:44:54
Search Reddit Soccer Streams, its a user based website where users post threads for each game a couple of hours before they are on and then provide numerous links of various qualitys (SD and HD) and state the ones which are accessible by Ipads, phones and laptops.

11 Nov 2016 11:44:54
Search Reddit Soccer Streams, its a user based website where users post threads for each game a couple of hours before they are on and then provide numerous links of various qualitys (SD and HD) and state the ones which are accessible by Ipads, phones and laptops.

11 Nov 2016 08:13:20
Morning Eds and fellow reds.

I'm looking for an opinion of any of the Eds regarding Sakho. Do you think he is to blame for his own predicament or is the club also responsible for the way in which it has been handled?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - He is responsible for digging the hole. The club have not been good in giving support particularly given how others who have erred have been fully supported by the club. He is on his way out Nick.}

11 Nov 2016 08:41:04
Thanks you for the reply ed2.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Nick. I understand that the club are fighting hard to avoid either a January loan or him staying to the summer. The major issue is his wages.}

11 Nov 2016 08:59:03
That's pretty sad, sahko was a cult favourite and would have got it right in the end. Very good option to have regardless but I guess klopp sees him as some sort of bad influence. I hope he gets a move outside of the prem and goes on to better his career because he has the talent.

11 Nov 2016 09:45:35
Kman i think its a bit of a lingering issue with him, i remember one of the eds said that he was allowed to leave PSG for similar problems (correct me if i'm wrong)

{Ed001's Note - you are correct, this is something that has been going on with him since before he arrived. There have been a long running series of attitude problems displayed by him, sadly. He was a problem under Rodgers and has not improved under Klopp. He only has himself to blame.}

11 Nov 2016 10:03:39
He's been nothing but hassle, more so since Klopp came in, I'll be glad when he's gone, we're paying him wages for nothing. There's no doubt he's a good player but we can't have another player disrupting the side we've got now. Past few years just to mention a few, Suarez, Balotelli and Sakho, brought nothing but trouble. Once Sakho is gone we have what looks like a hassle free team.

11 Nov 2016 09:15:32
I understand every case will be different but in Sakhos case are you happy that the club is moving him on for his poor behaviour or would you like them to give him another chance?

11 Nov 2016 14:34:44
yeah i was a big supporter of his before the us trip and wrongly believed he was being treated unfairly. But since his behaviour getting sent home and twitter rant i think he has used up any grace he had left. Time for an amicable parting of ways and hopefully gives space in the squad for gomez to cease his chance to shine.