Liverpool Banter Archive October 11 2010
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11 Oct 2010 23:43:25
Like how the cockney c##ps come on here. That's ok boys, can't find a page for your clubs? As for the Spurs fan stating they have bigger support. . . Behave! Liverpool may be going through turmoil at the moment, but a jolly up in Champions League one season doesn't make you world beaters. T#IT! !
Gav the Red
11 Oct 2010 23:25:14
Db9, illiterate us? MABEE lol you t* t
11 Oct 2010 23:22:59
I tell you something, I can't wait to see the movie of all this. It will win more oscars than Ben Hur.
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No. It will be s* t and annoying. Just like the real thing.
brf
11 Oct 2010 23:05:25
KUALA LUMPUR: Peter Lim Eng Hock, aged 57, popularly known as the former king of remisiers, made his fortune as a successful stockbroker in Singapore in the 1980s.
His fortunes received a big boost in the last decade from his 5% stake in palm oil giant Wilmar International, the world's largest palm-oil firm that was founded by his former client Kuok Khoon Hong.
So this guy is actually personally responsible for the desecration of the rainforest and the destruction of countless species and areas of rare habitat in the name of profiteering. Any one of which could provide the cure for cancer. Seriously look it up, palm oil is probably one of the gravest threats to the environment we're facing. That and the fish stocks. And if you don't care about having clean air to breath, and trees and fields then you're a wellend and you don't deserve an opinion. Fair enough he seems nice though. Maybe he'll consider other factors in a business other than profit. Oh no wait. . .
Duckula
11 Oct 2010 23:04:27
''Peter Lim has been set up by Tom Hicks to say that he will bid for the club at a higher price than NESV so that Hicks can say that the club is worth more than 300m.''
If, the above is true, and that the club must be sold at a reasonable offer, then its only 1/ 2 bids and Lim surley won't bid significantly enough to make NESV's offer an Un-reasonable one.
I would be gutted if i lost the 'potential' that LFC is, financially and as a Football club, but H&G must know its of mostly their own making!
Im hoping the sale will be the big shift in positivity our club needs to succeed, can't believe how many Mancs are on some 'relegation LFC bandwaggon' atm! they've allways feard us and this just goes to show cuz they know we have some quality players and that spirit is more embedded in the turfs at Anfield!
YNWA ~ Drezperado
11 Oct 2010 23:00:03
How can the club debts be 240m when they bought the club 3years ago for 180m they also say they have lent one of the parent companies 140 m which they stand to lose how can the club be in this much debt when they have invested zero money in 3 years and have give no money for players in 2 years. how much cash have they already taken out of the club
11 Oct 2010 22:58:06
This new Lim story surfacing stinks to high heaven! !
He comes out and says he was told he was the preffered bidder, and was in pole position ect ect ect blah blah blah
Liverpool Fc went official and public early last week that they was gonna go with NESV, if this guy is so suprised his offer was knocked back then why wait till now to pipe up and start chirping?? when he had the rest of the week and the weekend to say something.
Dont you think he would have said something days ago after Liverpool and Mr B's statement! !? ?
Funny how its hours before the case is heard in court, this is a pathetic and quite frankly sad and embarrassing cheap shot buy the parasites to stir the s* t one last time as they walk to the guillotine!
I hope Hicks gets handed the s* t from his office and rubber plant in a cardboard box just like in the movies and kicked out the front door and pointed to the nearest bus stop outside Anfield! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
11 Oct 2010 22:57:03
In Reply to 11 Oct 2010 21:20:22
Oh dear oh dear even if he (vdv) wanted to join arsenal (last year) and bayern one thing he didn't do was join lfc and one thing he did do was to join spurs no matter how or why and as for fan base abroad that was done last week but for you one last time, thfc have fan clubs in 8 u.s coty's inc 3 in nyc, they have clubs in south america, australia, south africa, asia, norway, sweden and denmark, eastern and central europe also the geek islands and in cyprus, spain and oh canada now imagine that my little scouse buddy
Shame eh 1 season in the champions league and you think your big. Let's face facts you only just scrapped in because we had a howler of a season. Nevermind though enjoy your 1 season - oh and i come from a family of yods and they all agree.
11 Oct 2010 22:56:55
Let me tell you NESV will be our new owners as soon as the court cases are finished. .
I think this will be good for the club.
Macca
11 Oct 2010 22:52:26
Is it true that H&G lost all power when RBS gave them a 6 months extension and H&G said they wanted this to sell the club.
So in theory if H&G can't get the money to pay off RBS by Friday they (H&G) would just hand back the keys and walk away, they wouldn't haven't any other choice. So all this court nonsense is irrelevant really.
RBS will call in the loan on Friday and probably informed H&G that this was going to happen. If there is a selling then I would assume that RBS and the club board are working to get NESV deal squared off so they (RBS) can get their money back. To allow a 9 point reduction isn't in RBS's interest (as mentioned in an earlier post).
So this should be all kicked out of the High Court tomorrow and the deal will then be sealed.
Is that right?
Also, to the spurs fan(s) who keep quoting on here. Come back when you're seriously challenging for something other than the league cup. Yes you're entitled to your opinion but your voice has no authority.
JTF96 YNWA Goalsharker
{Editor's Note: It is not correct. There is much more information further down thye page.}
11 Oct 2010 22:49:25
Ed dis is ma first post. iv been checking this site for a year now .keep up with the good job. saying hi to all the pool fans.keep calm
11 Oct 2010 22:49:07
Don't you just find it hilarious when the Manc scum take the piss out of our clubs financial problems! One flick of the switch and their whole empire comes crashing down spectacularly. Clearly a huge dose of jealousy over the fact that by the end of the week, we'll be debt free completely and the media will then start turning its attention to them. Because RBS would not be going to court if they weren't certain of the validity of the undertakings they received from Hicks and Gillette.
11 Oct 2010 22:45:14
11 Oct 2010 20:44:07
Do nesv have to borrow to buy liverpool?
Dan
No Dan, from what we're told the club won't be saddled with any debt from the sale or very little(maybe 37m) but that figure is some peoples guesswork I think. I have read articles where they say that if a new stadium is built the club will carry that debt but that's the same with arsenal and the emirates.
Adam red sox
11 Oct 2010 22:43:21
What about Woody Allen as Gillett
Schwarzenegger as Lord Grabiner
11 Oct 2010 22:42:36
Rafa is after lucas again
my dad knows jay spearing's dad and jay says lucas is a world beater in training. Maybe rafa can see that and that's why he is after him
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Ye, that's because he is when compared to Spearing!
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Only one way to find out just how good he is, stop playing with a defensive midfielder & play him (Lucas) in the role he played so well in Brazil (Attacking Midfield).
But he'll need ten games minimum there before being judged. Same with Babel as a striker but he's had his chances for me now, whereas Lucas has NEVER played AM for us bar vs Everton at Badisson S*it - hole when he won a last min penalty winner & played quite well! We could have what the Yanks call a sleeper in our squad but he's never had a proper go where he's comfortable. I call on Roy to give him a chance in Attacking Midfield along side Gerrard. Can you imagine if we sell Lucas in Jan / Summer then he plays awesome for another team as an AM?! I for one would be well pis*ed off with Rafa & Roy for not trying him there for a bit.
Surely Roy will drop Poulsen now regardless so Lucas will get in the next match. Hopefully in a more attacking capacity.
I'd rather Lucas vs the bitters than Meireles as he has previous experience of the white hot atmosphere.
Any opinion yourself Ed?
Irish Kev.
11 Oct 2010 22:40:56
Ed do u think we will b taken over by the end of this month
{Editor's Note: IT is hard to say when it will be complete - but it is imminent.}
11 Oct 2010 22:37:37
"Broughton has sold Liverpool down the river. Its all going to end in tears."
It's an opinion and I respect your right to it but I couldn't disagree more. I think MB has stitched that fat headed Texan up good and proper.
You've got to recognize that MB is at the top of the tree professionally and the yonks are failed cretins.
MB has my total respect.
Frenchy.
11 Oct 2010 22:35:43
""11 Oct 2010 14:48:18
Can i just say i don't like them but G&H have a case, in any type of business if you pumped in 144 million into it and the revenue increased then you would have the ability to show the increase in profits from various sources then their company kop holdings shows they improved the financial standing of the business and they will not accept to take that big a loss so a block of the sale is possible until a new buyer willing to pay more arrives or mill financial giving them their loan repayment until the sale happens is an alternative""
They have not "pumped" even a fraction of that money in, all of the money has been borrwed, hence the 300m debt on the club.
Over the 4 years theyve been here, we have had a *net* spend of around £12 million, or £3 million per year, No club can seriously compete at the top without investing money into the squad, and H&G have prevented us from doing that.
11 Oct 2010 22:33:36
"I tell you something, I can't wait to see the movie of all this. It will win more oscars than Ben Hur."
I like this. The only thing is though it won't be made in Hollywood coz, remember, the yanks always win and they are always the good guys. .
Frenchy.
11 Oct 2010 22:32:11
The fact is we will never know which is the better bid, We will only find out how good the owners will be when we are taken over. . . The thing about NESV is, they know how to run a sports team. They will be looking for massive long term returns and understand that it will only be achieved through on-field success. I think this is the reason their bid was accepted and Mr Lim's was declined.
StevieW
11 Oct 2010 22:29:09
I posted this on 10/ 10/ 10. .
The injunction was the first step on the way.
I know that a lot of poster's on here are concerned if Broughton & RBS win, will H&G appeal and what are their rights to appeal.
Although yes they have a right to appeal, the Judge may decide that the appeal is frivolous and turn it down, I believe that this will be the case as it would clearly be a case of wasting the courts time.
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Obviously next week is a huge week for the club with the case being held at the High Court.
IF Broughton, Purslow & Ayres have done their homework properly then its an open an shut case for the court.
Now Hicks has demonstrated that he doesn't want to let go without a fight(I think someone compared it to the end scene in trading places!).
If he wishes to appeal against the decision of the court, he neednt necessarily have recourse to do it if it could be felt that his appeal is a frivilous one as it would have no justification in fact.
Unlike US law UK courts will not accept frivilous litigation if it holds up natural justice.
The facts in hand are.
(1) He and Gillette cannot get re-financing and need funds by 15th October in order to continue ownership. In the current climate the chances of re-financing are unlikely at the most.
(2) They had given several undertakings for which they have re-neged on, therefor not coming in with "clean hands", which is a basic principle in English Common law and Equity. This being born out by the undertakings that they made to shareholders when they purchased that they would not leverage debt against the club to purchase it, Purslow being a former minority shareholder apparently has this in his possession and is submitting it as part of the case. Secondly they gave undertakings to RBS as part of the debt restructure that they sell to a reasonable offer and would allow Broughton autonomy to (i) Sell the club for a reasonable price (ii) Allow all decisions relating to board membership to Broughton.
Hicks has acted in an underhand way throughout this process and he has acted in breach of UK company law.
I honestly cannot see a court handing any other decision that the board decision to accept the offer as reasonable and dismissing Hick's claim.
I believe that by the end of Tuesday Hick's will be going back to Texas with his tail between his legs."
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11 Oct 2010 22:28:37
". .I would also not be surprised if H&G lost then immediately lodged an Appeal (as is their right). . "
That's not quite how English law works my friend. Your suggestion appears to imply that they can appeal a decision simply because they do not like it.
It has to be based on more substantial legal reasoning than that.
Frenchy.
11 Oct 2010 22:28:05
Tell you something, I can't wait to see the movie of all this. It will win more oscars than Ben Hur.
it would be like a mix of my cousin vinny and dream team lol"
What would be the cast, any ideas?
What about
Ken Dodd (he's good with money) as Martin Broughton
Stan Bordmen as Christian Purslow
Stephen Fry as Ian Ayre
Russ Abbott as Kenny Dalglish
Eddie Izard as Rafa
Stadler & Waldorf from the muppets would be H&G
Jackie Chan as Lim
11 Oct 2010 22:25:30
{Editor's Note: Subject to the debt not being paid off or refinanced.}
Its too late for that, ie even if Hicks get the money tomorrow,
If RBS can prove that the board can only be changed by Broughton, then case is closed, a majority vote by the board was to sell the club to NESV, a liverpool board cannot change that now without paying massive compensation to NESV.
Roy
{Editor's Note: Only if he were to use the club as collateral. If he has the money to pay off the debt he can do so when it falls due.}
11 Oct 2010 22:20:56
11 Oct 2010 22:08:06
In the past few days we have been singing Broughton's praise's. Now this guy Lim resurface's his head and i'm now reading that Broughton is in cohorst with his pals at Barcley's. LOL
IF Broughton and RBS win the court case then NESV will be our new owners. I've just read on ESPN that NESV have a water tight agreement (preferred bidder status) with RBS/ LFC board that IF we win then they will be owners.
SIMPLES!
Blair Mayne YNWA
{Editor's Note: Subject to the debt not being paid off or refinanced.}
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FS ed don't put the blinkers on mate we can see the finish line.
Keep the faith!
Blair Mayne YNWA
{Editor's Note: We are pretty close.}
11 Oct 2010 22:18:37
11 Oct 2010 21:20:22
Oh dear oh dear even if he (vdv) wanted to join arsenal (last year) and bayern one thing he didn't do was join lfc and one thing he did do was to join spurs no matter how or why and as for fan base abroad that was done last week but for you one last time, thfc have fan clubs in 8 u.s coty's inc 3 in nyc, they have clubs in south america, australia, south africa, asia, norway, sweden and denmark, eastern and central europe also the geek islands and in cyprus, spain and oh canada now imagine that my little scouse buddy. . . . . . . .
AND YET still, liverpool fc will always be a bigger, better club than spurs. .
we didn't want van der vaart either, ever. . so i don't know why you said that. . .
mabee you should go back to your own page now, or mabee to one of the 8 us COTYS you spoke of, or else mabee on a holiday to the GEEK islands. . illiterate spud's make me laugh. ha ha
db9
11 Oct 2010 22:14:48
To respond to the post below. . .
"tell you something, I can't wait to see the movie of all this. It will win more oscars than Ben Hur.
it would be like a mix of my cousin vinny and dream team lol"
What would be the cast, any ideas?
What about
Robert De Niro as Martin Broughton
Rob Lowe as Christian Purslow
Daniel Craig as Ian Ayre
Robbie Coltrane as Tom Hicks
11 Oct 2010 22:12:16
Rafa is after lucas again
my dad knows jay spearing's dad and jay says lucas is a world beater in training. Maybe rafa can see that and that's why he is after him
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Ye, that's because he is when compared to Spearing!
11 Oct 2010 22:08:06
In the past few days we have been singing Broughton's praise's. Now this guy Lim resurface's his head and i'm now reading that Broughton is in cohorst with his pals at Barcley's. LOL
IF Broughton and RBS win the court case then NESV will be our new owners. I've just read on ESPN that NESV have a water tight agreement (preferred bidder status) with RBS/ LFC board that IF we win then they will be owners.
SIMPLES!
Blair Mayne YNWA
{Editor's Note: Subject to the debt not being paid off or refinanced.}
11 Oct 2010 22:06:19
Broughton has sold Liverpool down the river. Its all going to end in tears.
11 Oct 2010 21:58:35
I don't write a whole lot on here bit i love coming on and reading some of the banter. But why the hook are arsenal fans and spurs (one season wonders. Harry be in jail soon) fans spouting carp on the liverpool site. Before they come saying just don't read it. I have wade through this s* te to get to the people that matter. . . Liverpool fans. So that said keep your s* te players and get te fook. Yanks out. yanks in.
11 Oct 2010 21:58:15
Man. . i wouldn't like to be broughton, purslow, ayres at the moment, my head is caining waiting to see whats gonna happen to our club.
i don't want us to be like city, they'll be up there, but ultimatley are a toy for the sheik and will not be up at the top in 10years time. i want someone to save our club! make it stable no debt and a little money to spend, if other clubs knew we were cash rich they'd hike up the price of their players and prices would be mental like city / chelsea have had to sucomb to in the past. plus with the new rule is it the 2012 rule about spending in line with what you earn, we need to be sensible. stablity is the way forward, get some owners in whoever it may be, sounds like this NESV is the better option in this case. lets go and get 3/ 4 quality players in and 2 good squad additions,
id realistically say: ArdaTuran (looks exciting) / Kevin Doyle (think he would be one of those 2 season wonders who could flurish at a bigger club)/ Affilay (if he didn't move anywhere in summer) and some unkown hyypia style defender, one who can defend and read the game and is a goal threat from set pieces, we miss big sami!
squad extras: chris brunt (cracking left peg) / royston drenthe (young and versatile)
our squad is still good, they are just seriously under performing and i only hope that between the clubs ownership and stability becoming clearer and actually beating the blue noses on sunday with a good gritty attacking performance will be the corner we need to turn. im all for trying the reserves out, pacheco / mavinga / amoo / kelly needs to play more too, his game needs polishing up and that will come with experience, but hes done well when thrown in the mix. after 12months in charge and seeing what stadium developments have happened and providing we make top 4 lets see then about bidding for top household names.
for reference id have to sell the greek (not good enough of defender), aurellio (sicknote), lucas cash in whilst rafa n some spanish teams still have a boner for him - 8mil?), poulsen (too slow)
im not buyin into this media circus about relegation, 3 or 4 wins and things will look really different, even though performances have been shockin of late, i am a liverpool fan no matter! YNWA
i know i'll prob get slated for some of the above, especially kevin doyle but would like to know peoples thoughts and ed? also ed, dya think broughton and co seriously have the clubs best interests in heart, stability has to be more important than some playboy with millions who would then bail on us after not producing a title after a few years?
cheers for reading, sorry i went on abit
cmon redmen!
{Editor's Note: I am sure the Board are doing what is best for the club - well at least three of them.}
11 Oct 2010 21:54:55
The bid has been accepted. and that's that.
11 Oct 2010 21:52:03
"also the geek islands and in cyprus, spain and oh canada now imagine that my little scouse buddy"
Yes, I imagine that they would be very popular in the "geek islands". Don't think we Reds have a fan club there so one up to you Spurs boys!
11 Oct 2010 21:51:21
Oh dear oh dear even if he (vdv) wanted to join arsenal (last year) and bayern one thing he didn't do was join lfc and one thing he did do was to join spurs no matter how or why and as for fan base abroad that was done last week but for you one last time, thfc have fan clubs in 8 u.s coty's inc 3 in nyc, they have clubs in south america, australia, south africa, asia, norway, sweden and denmark, eastern and central europe also the geek islands and in cyprus, spain and oh canada now imagine that my little scouse buddy
They must have phone boxes in those countries, and even at that they would be lucky to fill them.
11 Oct 2010 21:37:00
Hi ed why are we saying that Mr lim is not good for the club, that NESV would do better, remember what happend with DIC.
{Editor's Note: If DIC had of taken control the club would now have been sold on. Lim's interest is in brand exploitation and he is a Manchester United fan. NESV have experience in sports club ownership - and they have been both responsible and successful. It seems the obvious choice.}
11 Oct 2010 21:30:23
Spirit of shankly advising fans not to travel tomorrow as case will be adjourned after a few minutes, until a later date. :(
{Editor's Note: At least they won't do any more harm to the reputation then.}
11 Oct 2010 21:28:13
As I stated earlier in the week, this latest news is further proof that it is more than financial clout that has been taken into account. In my view, there is a clear racist undertone to the decision making. First we did not want the Arabs, now we don't want the Chinese, despite their massive wealth. What are we afraid of?
Come on Ed, surely you can see through this.
{Editor's Note: There is nothing racist in any of this.}
11 Oct 2010 21:24:20
The biggest day in our history. i hope hicks & gillet get there reputations destroyed in court tomorrow. they have done NOTHING for our club, but tell complete lies from start to finish (hope that 12-10-10! ) whatever happens we need stability in the entire club. no debt. the fans must have a voice on the new board. so this never happens again. YNWA. KEEP THE FAITH! :)
11 Oct 2010 20:58:05
"11 Oct 2010 16:54:22
Honda looks like he's on his way to arsenal! another player to turn you down!"
1) Your source?
2) You seem to have trouble grasping the theory that a club cannot be turned down unless they actually bid for a player. Liverpool didn't do so for VDV and to my knowledge we haven't for Honda either. I may as well say Titus Bramble turned you down because you haven't signed him, it really is meaningless
no, what is true is that arsenal are very interested and will make an offer for honda come jan! now the problem we have here is a liverpool rumour and banter page where 80% of the rumours do come out with a hell of an amount of carp! and some even put honda in their so called lists of "liverpool's jan/ summer signings" and my little scouse buddy if its meaningless why bother getting upset about it and replying? and as for vdv you are way way off on that one as well! chin chin"
Who's getting upset? I thought my reply was perfectly valid yet you have avoided the question and proved that your initial assertion that Liverpool had somehow been turned down by a player, for whom no bid has been made, was false by not offering any evidence to the contrary. As for being off the mark with VDV, well given even the player himself seems to admit he'd have jumped at Arsenal (a genuinely big club in North London) or Bayern, i think we both know the choice he made to join Spurs could be referred to as Hobson's. Btw i'm not scouse, Liverpool are one those big clubs that have fanbases that spread across the globe (imagine that). ;)
11 Oct 2010 20:48:38
Man i really want us to pull off the miracle of a lifetime and sign Marko Marin the young kid is phenominal. He creates as many goals as he scores which is a fair few and he is only young. Him and Turan for the wings maybe seeing how the valencia wingers appear to have rejected us. However it might lack pace what do you think Ed ? {ed's note - I am not particularly bothered by either to be honest. I don't really see the need for young wingers, I think we need experienced ones to help bring the youngsters at the club through. Someone like Joaquin on the right, who is very much a Premier League type of player, I think would be better for the club.}
11 Oct 2010 20:33:36
Just read the BBC piece on the Lim bid.
Reads like a PR piece for Lim, not a news story, and the so called executives close to Mr Lim saying the Broughton told Lim during the bidding process that he was the preferred bidder. . .please BBC have some respect, from all we've seen of Broughton he wouldn't do that.
Looks like another guy trying to play out an unsuccessful move for the club in public and trying to use the media to his advantage. No thanks.
11 Oct 2010 20:31:13
A man utd fan owning lfc? Some kind of sick joke? I don't care what this guy is promising. Id rather die. NESV it is then. .
Red bl00ded!
11 Oct 2010 20:23:17
I am so pissed off that these 2 a* holes have left us in this situation. The danger they are putting this club into for a few sordid dollars, it just beggars belief how badly they have behaved
11 Oct 2010 20:12:29
Are we sure we will get enough money to buy 4 players that can straight into the first 11?. .If that's the case I would prefer if the same money was spent on a quality striker and a right-back! Quality not quantity.
Reds scout Friis-Hansen admits the North West outfit, who are currently in the relegation zone of the League table, are working hard to attract a number of players for the first team.
"The results are now important in Liverpool, it is first priority to get four prominent players in the next window for the first team. Players who can go into the starting line-up, " said Friis-Hansen.
"Roy [Hodgson] will hopefully get some money to work with. I will work in Italy, Germany, France, Belgium and Holland and will this year also be going to Spain for Liverpool and it is solely for the first team.
"It is a shame for Roy to get such a start, for there is no doubt that he is a really good coach. But it has been a tough start, because you did not know and still do not know what will happen with the club financially.
"I can hopefully go out and look at players in the highest price category at a time. But we will see."
REDALLOVER
11 Oct 2010 19:59:40
Peter Lim is a millionare, and it is quoted on BBC that he is ready to offer tens of millions of pounds to Hodgson, is it really that hard Broughton, plus he is not american.
11 Oct 2010 19:57:52
Mr Lim has an estimated net worth of $1.6bn (£1bn), according to Forbes Magazine.
He made his fortune in fashion, logistics and agri-business.
His interest in English football stems from his ownership of several Manchester United themed bars in Asia - which have persuaded him that there is huge global potential for making money from top-flight English football.
Meanwhile, Royal Bank of Scotland announced on Monday afternoon that it had obtained an injuction to prevent Liverpool owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett from sacking Martin Broughton or any other of the club's board members ahead of Tuesday's court case.
First Laurel & Hardy and now LIM?
If he thinks there's money to be made in the EPL then let him go and put his money into the Mancs they need it more than us. . it may well be true that his bid is higher, but can you imagine Broughton, Purslow & Ayre winning the fans over on this one? They'd be run out of town faster the L&H.
I Think Broughton & RBS have got this one sussed, hence the 'second option' statement.
11 Oct 2010 19:56:27
"11 Oct 2010 19:25:33
Why are we gonna sell are club to more yanks who have to borrow the money to buy us?? "
Who said they're borrowing money?
11 Oct 2010 19:25:33
Why are we gonna sell are club to more yanks who have to borrow the money to buy us?? ??
11 Oct 2010 19:21:20
Forgetting the takeover for a minute, Anybody worried about the players Roy Hodgson is linked with, They scream of mediocrity, Everyone knows we need decent wingers, Were linked with Juan Mata surely not he plays a position similar to Joe Cole, Anyone see Payet (French International), Class act - pace and skill, Check out France vs Romania in particular the second goal. He is what we need - Remember players like Tarmac (John Barnes), Ah the good old days.
11 Oct 2010 19:11:59
11 Oct 2010 19:01:47
Mark Saggers is on Talksport tonight slagging Liverpool again saying we should be put into Administration. No favours to big clubs etc. . But he keeps quoting and talking complete untruths about the Liverpool situation as usual with anti Liverpool Talksport.
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Oh god all we need now is for Tony Evans to be on.
11 Oct 2010 19:11:41
Make or Break week for liverpool, i reckon a new lb, cm, lw and ST can see us rightfully take our place at the top of the footballing world. Personally i would take . . Cissokho, Hazard, Turan and Higuain or bryan ruiz. Suggestions?
11 Oct 2010 19:08:28
11 Oct 2010 19:01:47
Mark Saggers is on Talksport tonight slagging Liverpool again saying we should be put into Administration. No favours to big clubs etc. . But he keeps quoting and talking complete untruths about the Liverpool situation as usual with anti Liverpool Talksport.
{Editor's Note: It begs the question why do you bother listening?}
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Just background noise whilst using this fantastic site.
11 Oct 2010 19:05:10
Lim to take over debts gone new stadium plus cash to spend round 40 mill
mustifer
11 Oct 2010 19:03:32
11 Oct 2010 18:56:30
Liverpool to beat Everton 1-0 on Sunday with a late long range deflected shot (off Fallanis perm) from Jamie Carragher (88th minute).
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THIS IS THE KIND OF LUCK WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR SEASON. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY LUCK SO FAR THIS SEASON.
11 Oct 2010 19:01:47
Mark Saggers is on Talksport tonight slagging Liverpool again saying we should be put into Administration. No favours to big clubs etc. . But he keeps quoting and talking complete untruths about the Liverpool situation as usual with anti Liverpool Talksport.
{Editor's Note: It begs the question why do you bother listening?}
11 Oct 2010 18:54:55
Ed whot do think? is the end hear 4 us now could it be all over in the morn whot say u on that ed.I THINK HICKS WILL GET MORE MONEY OUT OF THIS .i like the way now there is the rumours of bigger offers coming in. its making a joke out of are loved lfc now ripped apart from the core, now being pulled apart gutting an sad 2 see this NOT THE LIVERPOOL WAY ed. i would love 2 see this over an I HOPE it all goes are way.AFTER THIS STORM IS OVER I HOPE WE GO BACK 2 THE LFC WAY BEHIND CLOSED DOORS STILE THAT WOULD BE THE ICEING ON THE CAKE 4 ME ED SAFE AN SOUND. WITH HOPE IN ARE HARTS WE WILL NEVER WALK ALONE WALK ON GOOD LUCK IN THE MORN THE POOL, JAY ESSEX RED 4 LIFE
{Editor's Note: You are worrying too much - just let the situation ride its way gently through the rest of the weeke and I am sure everything will become clearer.}
11 Oct 2010 18:53:15
11 Oct 2010 18:22:42
11 Oct 2010 17:59:36
Not one to blow my own trumpet
but I told you so last week once the bid was setteld around £300 new bids would be coming in.the bid will stay around £300 to £320 but the fact thay will defo build a new 70000 ground and give the manager mega funds. All sounds good for Liverpool fans, but why does hicks want this deal?simples hicks does not his nose rubbed in it by his fellow yanks NESV by be forced into a cheap sale. Also hicks has an agrement with the new birders to sell his stadium plans and have a hand in building it.
As i said Not one to blow my trumpet I just want hicks out of Liverpool asap.
It would be nice if he did go with his tail between his legs tho
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YES YOU COULD HAVE A POINT ABOUT HICKS NOT WANTING TO LOSE THE CLUB TO ANOTHER AMERICAN BID. BUT NESV WILL BE THE NEW OWNERS/ CUSTODIANS OF LIVERPOOL
I dint say that the bid from Singapore will win just that thay would be more twist to this shambles . Like you I hope NESV win as thay seem to be straight laced and put us in a good footing for years to come
PS please for give spellings as I'm doing this on my iPod and I suffer from fatfingers and can only see 3 lines of text
REDMAN
11 Oct 2010 18:51:02
11 Oct 2010 17:15:13
Ed have u seen WHOT RBS have said JUST BEEN ALL OVER SKY SPORTS NEWS ED, , , , , , , THEY DO SIDE WITH BROUGHTON RBS ON ARE SIDE, , , , , THEY RBS WILL GIVE THIS TIME, , , , HICKS COULD NOT (FIRE) OR . .IN. .TAR. .FEAR, , , , , , , , , (IN THE SALE OF LFC)ITS IN BLACK AN WHITE, , , , , BROUGHTON IS TELLING IT HOW IT IS, , , GREAT NEWS GET READY LFC FANS ARE DAY HAS COME TO RID OURSELFS OF HICKS AN CO, , , , , , , , PS HICKS U WILL NOT NEED 2 DEAL WITH THIS (NOISE) IF U KNOW WHOT I MEAN JOKER, , TO RBS I THANK U, , , , COME ON THE POOL THIS IS THE BIGGEST GAME WE HAVE EVER BEEN IN WE NEED THIS ONE 2 GO ARE WAY BIG TIME, , , THE NEW OWNERS COULD NEVER BE AS BAD AS THIS CLOWN AN MUPPET WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, , , , , , ANFELD, LIVERPOOL, LFC, (ARE) CLUB SOON TO BE FLYING UP THE TABLE 4 SURE WITH NO MORE WORRYS. . . . ED ANY NEWS MATE, , , JAY ESSEX RED 4 LIFE RED TILL DEAD, , WALK ON FOREVER POOL. .
i could barely even read that ha ha ha
11 Oct 2010 18:39:50
Hi ed, what does this bid mean for lfc is this a good thing or a bad thing, I can only think that someone is playing games its a bit funny he's putting a bid in now a day before the court date when he's had all week! Kingplfc
{Editor's Note: It is possible that nobody will care and he is just being difficult. If he can get to Hicks & Gillett there may still be a twist where he could provide short term financing so they can pay off the debt and then he could get the club afterwards - cutting the board and NESV out of the deal.}
11 Oct 2010 18:39:42
11 Oct 2010 17:49:41
I tell you something, I can't wait to see the movie of all this. It will win more oscars than Ben Hur.
it would be like a mix of my cousin vinny and dream team lol
db9
11 Oct 2010 18:37:14
ED i said here last week to expect a bid at the last minute.i think this would be a better bid for us to take, as this man is willing to clear the debts with his own money and fund us heavily in the transfer market.what do you think? ?people on this site don't seem to like him because of his man utd connections but people must realise buisness is buisness.
{Editor's Note: I think NESV are a better option.}
11 Oct 2010 18:36:08
JANUARY WINDOW
INS:
mata 12m + babel
ziegler 5m
suarez 22m
Total - 39m
OUTS:
babel / pe
lucas 6m
aurelio 3m
dead wood 4m
Total - 13m
Reina
Kelly Carragher Agger Ziegler
Cole Gerrard Meireles Mata
Torres Suarez
Subs - Johnson, Skrtel, Maxi, Poulsen, Jovanovic, Kuyt, Ngog
January will be the start!
e.h lfc
11 Oct 2010 18:26:57
Its now official from bbc and wikipedia that mr lim has now approached liverpool
{Editor's Note: Gotta be true then.}
11 Oct 2010 18:24:27
11 Oct 2010 17:49:41
I tell you something, I can't wait to see the movie of all this. It will win more oscars than Ben Hur.
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SOMETHING LIKE 'THE DAMNED UNITED'.
11 Oct 2010 18:22:42
11 Oct 2010 17:59:36
Not one to blow my own trumpet
but I told you so last week once the bid was setteld around £300 new bids would be coming in.the bid will stay around £300 to £320 but the fact thay will defo build a new 70000 ground and give the manager mega funds. All sounds good for Liverpool fans, but why does hicks want this deal?simples hicks does not his nose rubbed in it by his fellow yanks NESV by be forced into a cheap sale. Also hicks has an agrement with the new birders to sell his stadium plans and have a hand in building it.
As i said Not one to blow my trumpet I just want hicks out of Liverpool asap.
It would be nice if he did go with his tail between his legs tho
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YES YOU COULD HAVE A POINT ABOUT HICKS NOT WANTING TO LOSE THE CLUB TO ANOTHER AMERICAN BID. BUT NESV WILL BE THE NEW OWNERS/ CUSTODIANS OF LIVERPOOL.
11 Oct 2010 18:22:11
Dont agree whith the not going to anfield part of the petition, no matter what the team should always be supported and alot of people have been boycotting the club shops for a long time
11 Oct 2010 18:18:58
11 Oct 2010 17:49:41
I tell you something, I can't wait to see the movie of all this. It will win more oscars than Ben Hur.
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Why not just go to Amazon and buy all the Dallas DVDs.
11 Oct 2010 18:16:41
We are 18th in the table. People need to forget about Kaka, aguero, villa etc. They don't want to play at rubbish old liverpool. I'm not saying this is going to happen but anyway. .
I don't think we can keep torres in january and maybe not even gerrard
In Out
Taiwo -6m Aquaman - 12m
L. Diarra -8m Babel + 10m - mata
mata- 10m + babel Johnson - arbeloa +5m
Hazard - 15m Lucas- 6m
Arbeloa- 5m + johnson Soto-3m
Class striker x2 - 35m Poulson- 4m
class centre back-10m torres - 50m
maybe gerrard- 40m
11 Oct 2010 18:13:39
The end is in sight people, Sky sports is reporting that The RBS has won an injunction preventing mickey and minnie mouse from sacking any board members.
Cant really see a different outcome tomorrow can you.
Now go away y* nks and leave us alone!
What do you think ED?
{Editor's Note: I am sure it will not end in tears, but I think it may well be a traumatic few days. I am torn between wanting American owners again or a Manchester United supporter?}
11 Oct 2010 18:12:13
The way it is lined up currently is:
1. Tomorrow, RBS will seek a judgement ruling that the conditions signed by TH and "Others" prevent them from changing the board without the Chairman's approval. If this is passed by the judge it means the sale is legimate based on the fact that Ian and Christian were in situ. While an appeal is likely to be launched it is only postponing the inevitable. .
2. Martin Broughton has a seperate case ready to take to court on behalf of Liverpool FC to get a declaration made in their favour along similar lines. This is a coordinated and delibarate two pronged attack on TH and GG - one from RBS and one from Martin Broughton on behalf of LFC.
3. RBS have not posted their intent yet to pursue the Americans regarding the monies due, expect them to show their hand within minutes of the judgement tomorrow.
TH and GG have very little hope of success of getting anything out of this exercise and to be honest, I don't think their nerve will hold. so I standby my earlier posting suggesting that the conclusion of new owners is only a few days away but I respect the editor's opinion to call me on it.
Michael.
{Editor's Note: I am sure there will be a twist or two yet.}
Going out on a Lim there Ed?
11 Oct 2010 18:02:45
Is Mr Lims offer the one Kieth Harris was representing? Think it's too far down the line with NESV bid now & personally I'd prefer NESV.
Gav the Red
11 Oct 2010 18:02:14
Re new bid from Singapore
I have heard that this is a ploy by hicks and the Singapore millionaire etc to prove to the court that bigger offers would be made for the club.
Hicks etc are just pond scum.
11 Oct 2010 17:59:36
Not one to blow my own trumpet
but I told you so last week once the bid was setteld around £300 new bids would be coming in.the bid will stay around £300 to £320 but the fact thay will defo build a new 70000 ground and give the manager mega funds. All sounds good for Liverpool fans, but why does hicks want this deal?simples hicks does not his nose rubbed in it by his fellow yanks NESV by be forced into a cheap sale. Also hicks has an agrement with the new birders to sell his stadium plans and have a hand in building it.
As i said Not one to blow my trumpet I just want hicks out of Liverpool asap.
It would be nice if he did go with his tail between his legs tho
11 Oct 2010 17:41:20
The crux of the H&G's case is that Broughton and the directors, when they were put in place were there to work in the best interests of both club and owners. H&G argue that the Red Sox consort's, bid is not in the interests of them, as the owners and the board was charged in looking after both sides; not just one. It's clear that Broughton was only acting for the club. If this is proven H&G will win the case and block the takeover.
11 Oct 2010 17:37:08
The way it is lined up currently is:
1. Tomorrow, RBS will seek a judgement ruling that the conditions signed by TH and "Others" prevent them from changing the board without the Chairman's approval. If this is passed by the judge it means the sale is legimate based on the fact that Ian and Christian were in situ. While an appeal is likely to be launched it is only postponing the inevitable. .
2. Martin Broughton has a seperate case ready to take to court on behalf of Liverpool FC to get a declaration made in their favour along similar lines. This is a coordinated and delibarate two pronged attack on TH and GG - one from RBS and one from Martin Broughton on behalf of LFC.
3. RBS have not posted their intent yet to pursue the Americans regarding the monies due, expect them to show their hand within minutes of the judgement tomorrow.
TH and GG have very little hope of success of getting anything out of this exercise and to be honest, I don't think their nerve will hold. so I standby my earlier posting suggesting that the conclusion of new owners is only a few days away but I respect the editor's opinion to call me on it.
Michael.
{Editor's Note: I am sure there will be a twist or two yet.}
11 Oct 2010 17:35:14
11 Oct 2010 17:17:05
New last minute bid from Singapore Billionaire Peter Lim. Just announced on BBc website.
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I still want to know which bid was been represented by takeover guru Keith Harris.
In August he suggested he was representing an interested party who would complete due dilligence by October. He suggested the 'quietest bid' would be the winning bid, obviously criticisising the then more vocal interest from Yaya Kirdi and Kenny Huang. Could he have a role with Mr Lim or NESV?
11 Oct 2010 17:32:08
Its called banter m8 and the world wide web so they is no chance of doing that
11 Oct 2010 17:31:05
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . reina. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .johnson. . . .hangeland. . . . . agger. . . .cissoko. .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . defour. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . gerrard. . . . . . . . . . . . . .j.cole. . . . . . .
. .sanchez. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .mata. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .torres. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
pace, width, creativity, trickery, strength what more could you want?
11 Oct 2010 17:26:57
11 Oct 2010 17:04:03
Is there any way to stop infiltration of this site by Everton, Chelsea, Utd fans etc? {ed's note - why would you want to stop that? Surely getting to read other people's point of views, even when they are wrong, is a good thing?}
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Suppose so.
11 Oct 2010 17:21:37
Tell ya what liverpool fans i hate you you hate us meaning the mancs i shouldnt be on here but i thought i would say my hands clap your lot having the balls the to do what you all done in getting rid of this shower of s* te i just hope that if it happends to us we do the same but deep down not as better than you lot respect prob get told to f off but anyway thanks
11 Oct 2010 17:19:28
11 Oct 2010 17:07:11
In response to:
"Can i just say i don't like them but G&H have a case, in any type of business if you pumped in 144 million into it and the revenue increased then you would have the ability to show the increase in profits from various sources then their company kop holdings shows they improved the financial standing of the business and they will not accept to take that big a loss so a block of the sale is possible until a new buyer willing to pay more arrives or mill financial giving them their loan repayment until the sale happens is an alternative"
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ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. AS FAR AS I AM AWARE BOTH HICKS AND GILLETT HAVE ONLY PUT AROUND £7M EACH OF THEIR OWN MONEY.
THE LIKES OF TORRES FOR EXAMPLE COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN AFFORDED UNDER THE MOORES REGIME, SO WE NEED NOT THANK EITHER OF THEM FOR BUYING TORRES, SOMETHING OFTEN SITED IN THE MEDIA AND PRESS (I.E H.REDKNAPP ARTICLE LAST WEEK).
IF H&G REALLY WANTED CONTROL OF THIS CLUB THEY COULD USE THEIR PERSONAL FORTUNES (WHICH STILL EXIST) RUNNING INTO MANY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PAY OFF THE DEBTS. THEY ARE CLEARLY JUST GRANDSTANDING IN ORDER TO GET MORE FROM THE SALE.
11 Oct 2010 17:18:21
I'll tip my hat to the new corparation
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my Scarlf and pray
Just like yesterday
And I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
The Who
Listen. . . . . We don't get fooled again!
11 Oct 2010 17:15:13
Ed have u seen WHOT RBS have said JUST BEEN ALL OVER SKY SPORTS NEWS ED, , , , , , , THEY DO SIDE WITH BROUGHTON RBS ON ARE SIDE, , , , , THEY RBS WILL GIVE THIS TIME, , , , HICKS COULD NOT (FIRE) OR . .IN. .TAR. .FEAR, , , , , , , , , (IN THE SALE OF LFC)ITS IN BLACK AN WHITE, , , , , BROUGHTON IS TELLING IT HOW IT IS, , , GREAT NEWS GET READY LFC FANS ARE DAY HAS COME TO RID OURSELFS OF HICKS AN CO, , , , , , , , PS HICKS U WILL NOT NEED 2 DEAL WITH THIS (NOISE) IF U KNOW WHOT I MEAN JOKER, , TO RBS I THANK U, , , , COME ON THE POOL THIS IS THE BIGGEST GAME WE HAVE EVER BEEN IN WE NEED THIS ONE 2 GO ARE WAY BIG TIME, , , THE NEW OWNERS COULD NEVER BE AS BAD AS THIS CLOWN AN MUPPET WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, , , , , , ANFELD, LIVERPOOL, LFC, (ARE) CLUB SOON TO BE FLYING UP THE TABLE 4 SURE WITH NO MORE WORRYS. . . . ED ANY NEWS MATE, , , JAY ESSEX RED 4 LIFE RED TILL DEAD, , WALK ON FOREVER POOL. .
{Editor's Note: The injunction lasts until tomorrow where another will be sought. It means that they cannot refinance using the club as collateral and it is most unlikely that they could otherwise refinance. As such, it looks like everything is drawing to a close. Is there something wrong with your keyboard.}
11 Oct 2010 17:05:44
Am a season ticket holder like many tens of thousand of people and am just a bit angry with this whole thing its pissed me off to be honest with you. why the hell didn't the board have the balls to do this in sep and gave more time to try get this sorted asap instead of waiting till the last week, and before any body comes on saying the bid was only put in thurs or fri well i thimk people aint daft they [the board ] must have knew something was in the pipe line i mean we could be looking at LFC yes LFC going bankrupt i just can't beleive all this has happend i agree with king kenny that they should appoint fan spirit of shankly } on the board thanks for listening just had to get that off my chest pissed off with this all
11 Oct 2010 17:04:03
Is there any way to stop infiltration of this site by Everton, Chelsea, Utd fans etc? {ed's note - why would you want to stop that? Surely getting to read other people's point of views, even when they are wrong, is a good thing?}
11 Oct 2010 16:47:50
Never posted before, but just got this sent to me by email.
RBS STATEMENT
RBS in its capacity as lender to the Kop group of companies received the benefit of various contractual undertakings from Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett in relation to the corporate governance arrangements that Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett agreed would apply to the Kop group of companies with effect from April 2010.
Those undertakings provided for the appointment of Mr Broughton as chairman of the board and the appointment of the chief executive and commercial director of LFC to the Kop boards.
As is well known, Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett purported to make changes to those corporate governance arrangements on 4 October. This was in breach of those contractual undertakings.
In light of that purported breach of contract RBS sought and obtained on Friday 8 October 2010 an interim injunction against Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett until a further hearing scheduled for tomorrow.
Among other things, that interim injunction prevents Mr. Hicks or Mr. Gillett taking any steps to remove or replace Mr. Broughton from his position as chairman of the board of the Kop companies or from taking any other steps to appoint or remove any directors from the board of the Kop companies.
The proceedings tomorrow represent the continuation of Friday's proceedings and relates to breach of contract only. These proceedings do not represent steps by RBS to enforce its security or to appoint an administrator.
We are unable to provide any visibility on timing for resolution of these proceedings at this stage
{Editor's Note The key words are: "interim injunction against Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett until a further hearing scheduled for tomorrow."}
11 Oct 2010 16:45:47
Breaking news on Ssn rbs wins injunction to prevent owners firing board! Great news sale should go ahead now
Paul ynwa
11 Oct 2010 16:42:24
Bloomberg reporting Liverpool already in default of loans to RBS and Wachova (or whatever it is ) and this is why they are named in the court papers .
Checked it on Bloomberg site .
{Editor's News: I believe that they are not yet in default on RBS but may well be today with Wachovia (Wells Fargo) - but don't read too much in to it.}
11 Oct 2010 16:40:54
Just heard RBS have took out an injuction on hicks and gillette from sacking the board and were succsessful so that 1 thing less to worry about fellow red men thumbs up alround
{Editor's News: No - read the press release by RBS - it is an interim injunction pending everything else being resolved.}
11 Oct 2010 16:39:12
STATEMENT ISSUED BY ROYAL BANK OF SCOTLAND IN RELATION TO LIVERPOOL FC OWNERS
RBS in its capacity as lender to the Kop group of companies received the benefit of various contractual undertakings from Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett in relation to the corporate governance arrangements that Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett agreed would apply to the Kop group of companies with effect from April 2010.
Those undertakings provided for the appointment of Mr Broughton as chairman of the board and the appointment of the chief executive and commercial director of LFC to the Kop boards. As is well known, Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett purported to make changes to those corporate governance arrangements on 4 October. This was in breach of those contractual undertakings.
In light of that purported breach of contract RBS sought and obtained on Friday 8 October 2010 an interim injunction against Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett until a further hearing scheduled for tomorrow.
Among other things, that interim injunction prevents Mr. Hicks or Mr. Gillett taking any steps to remove or replace Mr. Broughton from his position as chairman of the board of the Kop companies or from taking any other steps to appoint or remove any directors from the board of the Kop companies.
The proceedings tomorrow represent the continuation of Friday's proceedings and relates to breach of contract only. These proceedings do not represent steps by RBS to enforce its security or to appoint an administrator.
We are unable to provide any visibility on timing for resolution of these proceedings at this stage.
11 Oct 2010 16:38:26
* * * * IMPORTANT STATEMENT FOLLOWS
RBS bank has just released the following statement in relation to the situation at Liverpool and the bank's High Court action tomorrow against Tom Hicks "and others". It reveals there is already an interim injunction in place against Hicks and George Gillett, preventing them removing Martin Broughton or other directors from the board.
RBS STATEMENT
RBS in its capacity as lender to the Kop group of companies received the benefit of various contractual undertakings from Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett in relation to the corporate governance arrangements that Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett agreed would apply to the Kop group of companies with effect from April 2010.
Those undertakings provided for the appointment of Mr Broughton as chairman of the board and the appointment of the chief executive and commercial director of LFC to the Kop boards.
As is well known, Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett purported to make changes to those corporate governance arrangements on 4 October. This was in breach of those contractual undertakings.
In light of that purported breach of contract RBS sought and obtained on Friday 8 October 2010 an interim injunction against Mr. Hicks and Mr. Gillett until a further hearing scheduled for tomorrow.
Among other things, that interim injunction prevents Mr. Hicks or Mr. Gillett taking any steps to remove or replace Mr. Broughton from his position as chairman of the board of the Kop companies or from taking any other steps to appoint or remove any directors from the board of the Kop companies.
The proceedings tomorrow represent the continuation of Friday's proceedings and relates to breach of contract only. These proceedings do not represent steps by RBS to enforce its security or to appoint an administrator.
We are unable to provide any visibility on timing for resolution of these proceedings at this stage.
STATEMENT ENDS
Therefore. . RBS are found to have acted within their rights, sale is marked as legitimate, Broughton seeks declaration and signs the sale off, new owners move in ASAP! !
Michael Easterbrook. .
{Editor's News: I disagree with your conclusion - this is as I said previously, no more that putting everything on hold until the case can be considered fully.}
11 Oct 2010 16:36:53
Good news red fans rbs obtains a injunction to stop hicks and gilliet firing any member of the liverpool board!
Is this the news we wanted ed ?
{Editor's News: I doubt it - all it is probably doing is putting everything on hold until the case can be considered.}
11 Oct 2010 16:32:41
Sky Sports News has just reported that RBS have won an injunction to prevent the yanks firing the board members. Anyone know what effect this will have on tomorrows hearing?
stevieslaces
{Editor's Note: We do not know what tomorrow's hearing is about. The report from Sky is misleading - what is more likely is that an injunction has been made to put matters on hold until the courts consider other matters that are in hand.}
11 Oct 2010 16:31:50
RBS TAKE OUT INJUCTION STOPPING HICKS AND GILLETT SACKING THE BOARD
{Editor's Note: If H&G are legally able to sack the board an injunction cannot be granted.}
11 Oct 2010 16:29:17
The club emblem is displayed on a wall at Anfield, Liverpool Football Club's stadium. Photographer: Frantzesco Kangaris/ Bloomberg
Liverpool's holding company is in default over 280 million pounds ($446 million) owed to Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc and Wells Fargo & Co., and the banks may put the soccer club into bankruptcy protection, three people familiar with the situation said today.
While U.K. newspapers including the Daily Telegraph have reported that co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett's debt matures on Oct. 15, the loan is already in default, say the people, who declined to be identified because of pending lawsuits. The U.S. pair is trying to block a sale to New England Sports Ventures LLC because they say the price is too low. A court action begins tomorrow.
Although the banks prefer not to put the team into administration, a form of bankruptcy, they may if the NESV transaction is challenged in court or indefinitely delayed, the people said. Liverpool Chairman Martin Broughton, who approved the sale, said the owners may lose about 140 million pounds if the deal goes through.
Administration would bring a nine-point penalty from the Premier League. Liverpool is in 18th place in the 20-team league, and would be relegated to the second-tier Championship if the season ended now. That would cost millions, and the team is already struggling with the loss of income from the Champions League, which can bring in as much as 30 million pounds.
Deal's Validity
NESV, which is controlled by Boston Red Sox owners John W. Henry and Tom Werner, has made a 300 million-pound bid for the 18-time English champion. Liverpool's board, which has approved the sale, is seeking court confirmation of the deal's validity.
Kop Football (Holdings) Ltd. must repay a 237 million-pound loan, and costs associated with an April 30 refinancing that has seen the debt balloon by 40 million pounds.
Nicola Howson, a U.K.-based spokeswoman for Gillett and Hicks, didn't respond to a voicemail seeking comment. RBS, NESV and Liverpool declined to comment.
Liverpool's board last week agreed to sell to NESV over the objections of Hicks and Gillett. The bidder will walk away from the deal if the team enters administration and is docked nine points, one of the people said.
Gillett and Hicks say the sale isn't legal because they fired two of the board members that approved it. Broughton says the deal is valid because only he has the power to change the structure of the board.
RBS, which required the changes to the board as part of its latest refinancing agreement, is the applicant in a suit listed against Hicks and others at the High Court in London.
"In a situation of Liverpool's, where we are in default, then your primary obligation is to the creditor not the shareholder, " Broughton said in an interview last week. "That was our primary obligation."
(they have already defaulted, this is the only reason i think rbs are there.what do you think ed)
{Editor's Note: You are reading too much in to this. It is poorly written and things may be taken out of context.}
11 Oct 2010 16:25:43
I read on a website that when liverpool go to court, RBS will file a case against the americans
IN YONKS WE TRUSTED AND NOW WE ARE BUSTED!
11 Oct 2010 16:19:29
If I was Liverpool Owner, this is what i'd do the team,
Manager:Kenny Dalglish / Guus Hiddink
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JOHNSON- - HANGELAAND-AGGER- -F.CONTRAO
JOAQUIN- - - GERRARD- -INLER- - - MATA- - -
- - - - - - - - - - - TORRES- GOMEZ
11 Oct 2010 16:12:03
Re: I also phoned Chris Tarrent which he said was like a weird de ja vous. .I didn't understand him as i don't speak french.
If ou are going to spell déjà vu the way you did it is completely unnecessary to tell us you don't speak French.
Bob
11 Oct 2010 15:40:31
* *We all getting hopes up this delt with by tomorow's court case. . it will be ajorned till next week, after the deadline with bank, hicks will dig heals in and end up being a nightmare for the reds fans sitting and waiting for all to sort its self out. look at portsmout cardiff leeds all hadcases ajorned, and with the deadline being on friday it will be brave judge to go against a multi million pound company wen they still have a cpl ov days to raise money once the deadline has gone its a lot easier to sort out. points deduction is a worry but for the sake of footballs's business how can you put a company into admin who is making record profits and bring multi millions in each year. portsmouth couldnt bring money in to pay taxs / players wages / money to make the club. liverpool can do all this. its just 2 stuben fools that's making bad business that's all wrong. its just down to judge to say them 2 carnt run a business properly and demand sale to go ahead. after they have failed to pay. its like you owe £300 overdraft and the bank coming in a week early and saying your going to court 3 days early cos you havnt paid it yet. you have to wait untill the date money is due has gone by.lets just hope its all down to broughtons legal loophole that he is saying is legal to sell club without the 2 fools having a say. as stupid as the yonks are i carnt see them making such a mistake as big as that when deals where sighned* * *
WTF? ?. .I know things are bad, but can't we have a whip-round and send this poster a few bob so that he can get some English lessons? Why do people post in text-speak?
On a more important tack, let's hope that Messrs Broughton and Purslow have done their homework and that there argument is watertight. . G Spot
11 Oct 2010 15:37:45
Ed. .any remote chance that the ownership saga will be settled prior to the proceedings tomorrow? Or do you think Hicks is that much of a t*at to take it the whole way?
LFC412
{Editor's Note: Tomorrow is nothing to do with Hicks - it is being driven by RBS.}
11 Oct 2010 15:15:00
Royal Bank of Scotland PLC v Hicks & ors , tomorrow 10.30,
surley the bank is more powerful, than these 2 tossers.
fingers crossed.We will rise again y.n.w.a. .
11 Oct 2010 15:06:59
Mickey, we generated in 2009 £42m from the turnstiles. If we have a 60,000 seater stadium (personally I would like to see any new stadium have the ability to go eventual beyond 60,000) the extra revenue is likely to be significantly more than the £15m you mention. Corporate hospitality whether we like it or not generates huge sums. At the Emirates for example a box cost in the region of £150k a season plus extra if you want catering. Now I am not saying we can charge the same, but if you work out how many additional boxes can be accommodated in a new stadium, and how much extra room can be made available for corporate hospitality (posh pre-match meals (like at club Wembley)) you can see that we are talking big numbers. Function rooms in a new stadium can also be hired out on non match days (incorporating a hotel and possibly a casino within the new stadium complex if allowed could also yield significant returns). The likelihood is that a new 600, 00, seater stadium will generate more like £20-£25m minimum extra in revenue a year. Naming rights should generate at least the same as Arsenal i.e. about £100m. Even if we needed to borrow £250m on top of the £100m from naming rights so as to spend £350m on a new stadium, a loan of £250m over 25 years at today's interest rates (which by the way may well be nearer to 5.5% than the 6.5% you mention) could comfortably be serviced by the extra revenue generated from a new stadium. If the NEVS as promised make us debt free we would still have available for transfers the £40m profit per annum currently being siphoned off by Hicks and Gillette to pay interest to RBS. Reality Red
I meant if they revamped Anfield, not a brand new stadium, a new stadium is not going to happen my friend, they never gave the Red Sox a new stadium so Liverpool have no chance. They will revamp Anfield into a 60 seater and you will make around 15m on top of your current turnstiles revenue. By doing this they will put minimal money into the stadium but will be taking out more. Remember they are businessmen not sugar daddies.
Also when i was talking about them trying to get out a 250m loan at a 6.5% yield, this wasn't for a new stadium, this is to buy the club. They are borrowing 250m of the 300m to buy Liverpool. Trust me when i tell you mate, they do not have 300m cash between them lying around, its being borrowed.
Micky
11 Oct 2010 15:03:35
How much of this supposed £144m did LFC see.
I know according to the accounts that Kop Holdings leant LFC the money and were charging LFC interest on the amount, but not collecting, so increasing the debt each time.
Also in response to someone else's post about H&G arguing they have increased the revenue streams and income, but the counter-arguement is that it was the current board that got this extra income/ sponsorship etc.
Ok. . . .it was on H&G's watch, but as we were so far behing in this area, it could have been increased at anytime and with anyone in charge.
It could be argued that the current board are responsible for this increase and so strengthens the case AGAINST H&G.
{Editor's Note: None of this is relevant to whatever court procedings there will be.}
11 Oct 2010 14:56:47
The hearing at the Royal Courts of Justice tomorrow at 10.30 is before Mr Justice Floyd and is an application ostensibly by LFC against Hicks. I have spoken to the court who has confirmed this but wouldn't tell me what the precise nature of the application is. The listing officer said that the court is being deluged with telephone calls 99% of whcihb are about LFC.
Im waiting for the clerk to Mr Justice Floyd to call me back.
The fact that the Claimant in the Application is entitled Royal Bank of Scotland leads me to believe that RBS are pursuing the declaration against Hicks/ Gillette probably under an agreement to allow them to do so on behalf of the club. Usually the Claimant is the party seeking the assistance of the court in enforcing a legal right so RBS must be acting by way of some sort of subrogation.
11 Oct 2010 14:29:06
COURT 18
Before MR JUSTICE FLOYD
Tuesday, 12 October 2010
At half past 10
Skeleton arguments and bundles for any listed application must be delivered by 10 a.m. on the day before the hearing of the application: see paragraph 7.22 of the Chancery Guide (December 2009). The Chancery Listing Office will accept them if delivered to Room WG4 in time. The papers for any urgent unlisted application (and any skeleton argument or bundle sought to be delivered out of time) must be delivered directly to the Judge's Clerk.
Further directions and information about interim applications, and the skeleton arguments and bundles to be prepared for them, will be found in chapters 5 and 7 of the Chancery Guide.
Attention is drawn in particular to paragraphs 7.31 and 32 of the Chancery Guide, which warn of the consequences, including costs sanctions, which may follow from the failure to lodge skeleton arguments and bundles on time.
APPLICATIONS
Exception VAR Ltd v Goff
Drummond v Drummond
Superyachts.com Ltd v Bodington
Wilkinson v North
Lloyds TSB v Williams Gee Yeung Law
Slutsker v Haron Investments
Royal Bank of Scotland PLC v Hicks & ors
If the above is true. Then its sweeky bum time tomorrow
RedDan
"Editor's Note: The above is true but it may not be directly related to the matter in hand.}
11 Oct 2010 14:24:33
Just a thought.But could this not be RBS showing the truth behind what Broughton said in regards to the undertakings ?
11 Oct 2010 14:01:39
Fellow reds you might find info on the hearing on the Royal courts of justice web? Copied/ pasted below:
The Royal Courts of Justice
www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk
May be able to find case and court number?
Lee
11 Oct 2010 13:44:48
Whats everyone's problem with glen johnson? he's a brilliant player. Top quality delivery, fast, can run with the ball, gets up an down, scores goals and more importantly, is a decent bloke with an honourable winning mentality. You're not gonna see him crumble under pressure or moan in the press like a little french mincer. It's MUCH harder to teach someone to attack than to defend, and to be honest johnson's a really good defender as well he just gets caught out every so often when he pushes forward. THATS WHAT HAPPENS! He's english, young and clearly got room for improvement. And you want us to sell him to someone else? ARE YOU MENTAL? Leave him alone ur supposed to b supporters and ur on about carving off our best english players and replacing them with cheap foreigners? Right back is not our problem. Striker is. Johnson will be the best right back in the world in a years time, have u forgotten the impact he had when he joined? FROM RIGHT BACK. Who else could we get that would do that? Duckula
11 Oct 2010 13:35:28
ED wouldn't rbs be very silly to leave the club go into administration? surely it would lower the value of the club thus making it immpossible for them to get back all the money in the 1st place.!
{Editor's Note: I don't think they will force the club in to Administration.}
11 Oct 2010 13:31:43
We all getting hopes up this delt with by tomorow's court case. . it will be ajorned till next week, after the deadline with bank, hicks will dig heals in and end up being a nightmare for the reds fans sitting and waiting for all to sort its self out. look at portsmout cardiff leeds all hadcases ajorned, and with the deadline being on friday it will be brave judge to go against a multi million pound company wen they still have a cpl ov days to raise money once the deadline has gone its a lot easier to sort out. points deduction is a worry but for the sake of footballs's business how can you put a company into admin who is making record profits and bring multi millions in each year. portsmouth couldnt bring money in to pay taxs / players wages / money to make the club. liverpool can do all this. its just 2 stuben fools that's making bad business that's all wrong. its just down to judge to say them 2 carnt run a business properly and demand sale to go ahead. after they have failed to pay. its like you owe £300 overdraft and the bank coming in a week early and saying your going to court 3 days early cos you havnt paid it yet. you have to wait untill the date money is due has gone by.lets just hope its all down to broughtons legal loophole that he is saying is legal to sell club without the 2 fools having a say. as stupid as the yonks are i carnt see them making such a mistake as big as that when deals where sighned
11 Oct 2010 13:31:04
10 Oct 2010 23:50:37
Liverpool fans need not worry. We will not be entering administration or lose the court case. Its just the media trying to cause us heart ache. I studied the media for 2 years and learnt that all they do is create fear because people react to fear. There trying to scare us until we win and everything is rosey. By Thursday we will be a new club!
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A LOT OF TRUTH IN THIS. JUST TRY TALKSPORT AND THEN YOU WILL SEE THIS IN PRACTICE.
11 Oct 2010 13:30:43
Liverpool will be given £20m to spend in Jan if NESV takeover goes through. This will have the rest of the PL quaking in their boots.
11 Oct 2010 13:23:23
RE
If the above conditions are not met then Hicks may well win as he is the owner of the club and as the old saying goes "ownership is nine tenths of the law". The board would not then be allowed to sell something that it didn't own against the wish of the owners unless their permission to do so was clearly set out.
The old saying is that POSESSION is nine tenths of the law. The board of directors have the real power, they make all the decisions. They have a responsibility in law to act in the best interests of the directors, They (ie the board), can reasonably say that the best interests are being served as the alternative is for the value of the club to plummet if the 9 points are deducted. Something that will never happen - does anyone reasonably expect RBS to cause a massive devaluation of their asset?
No, whatever is going to happen I suspect that plan B is that the Bank will call the debt, and it will immediately be paid by the new owners - how then can the EPL deduct the points because we were insolvent for two minutes. Of course not! This is a snmokescreen
{Editor's Note: This is not a smokescreen - and we do not become insolvent or enter Administration if the bank call in the debt.}
11 Oct 2010 13:23:16
Just got off the phone with Tony and he said the following.
ring, ring.
Tony:"yeah?"
Me: Can you sort out fiick and frack?
Tony: Yeah, these people are an frickin embarrassment to all Americans. I'll take care of it.
Me: When?
Tony: this week
Me: Can I tell all Kopites this
Tony:Yeah, but don't mention my name.
Me: Thanks Mr Soprano
11 Oct 2010 13:16:24
A friend of mine says the way H&G are trying to keep control, is by stating that its just one loan being replaced by another loan, and that that is what they term unreasonable sale, so its down to the new owners to prove that's not the case, and the board to prove its a better long term deal for LFC, if the court stalls on making a decission, then RBStake LFC in admininstation, and the prem will have to deduct 9 points.
This opens an interesting issue; If the RBS loan is not re-paid by Friday, technically RBS would then own the club or at least the outstanding amount plus interest. It would then be up to them to decide how much the club is worth and what the asking/ sale price should be. They also would wish to make as much money from the deal as possible and this would scupper the Red Sox deal completley. The other possibilty is that Broughton folds the club and they start again, simular to what Middlesbrough did in 1986.
{Editor's Note: They will not "technically" own the club.}
11 Oct 2010 13:10:10
Mickey, we generated in 2009 £42m from the turnstiles. If we have a 60,000 seater stadium (personally I would like to see any new stadium have the ability to go eventual beyond 60,000) the extra revenue is likely to be significantly more than the £15m you mention. Corporate hospitality whether we like it or not generates huge sums. At the Emirates for example a box cost in the region of £150k a season plus extra if you want catering. Now I am not saying we can charge the same, but if you work out how many additional boxes can be accommodated in a new stadium, and how much extra room can be made available for corporate hospitality (posh pre-match meals (like at club Wembley)) you can see that we are talking big numbers. Function rooms in a new stadium can also be hired out on non match days (incorporating a hotel and possibly a casino within the new stadium complex if allowed could also yield significant returns). The likelihood is that a new 600, 00, seater stadium will generate more like £20-£25m minimum extra in revenue a year. Naming rights should generate at least the same as Arsenal i.e. about £100m. Even if we needed to borrow £250m on top of the £100m from naming rights so as to spend £350m on a new stadium, a loan of £250m over 25 years at today's interest rates (which by the way may well be nearer to 5.5% than the 6.5% you mention) could comfortably be serviced by the extra revenue generated from a new stadium. If the NEVS as promised make us debt free we would still have available for transfers the £40m profit per annum currently being siphoned off by Hicks and Gillette to pay interest to RBS. Reality Red
Great post reality. Just a little addition. Emirates generated 102 mil from home game revenue last year and Old Toilet 109 million. That is the sort of revenue we're talking about. it works out to an extra 2 million a game. A stadium puts us in as a major player when it comes to revenue and competing in the transfer market. YNYA. Paul
11 Oct 2010 12:55:42
I totally agree good luck Tom & Geogre, there nice people realy, just miss understood, I bet you like them realy.
11 Oct 2010 12:54:47
If the above conditions are not met then Hicks may well win as he is the owner of the club and as the old saying goes "ownership is nine tenths of the law". The board would not then be allowed to sell something that it didn't own against the wish of the owners unless their permission to do so was clearly set out.
It's " possesion is nine tenths of the law" & I think Broughton, Purslow & Ayre are in possesion of the club right now & not Tom & Jerry! Here's hoping anyway!
11 Oct 2010 12:46:25
Being told that the Lfc boards powers had a date of 26 september, after that H&G RE GAINED POWER TO BLOCK SALE OF CLUB AND CHANGE THE BOARD, this Hicks says he done before the sale of the club, this comes from inside RBS.
11 Oct 2010 12:41:45
Just a thought but can you all remember an article in the New York post by i think Mike Jefferies saying amongst other things "we gave you the beatles and you gave us Tom Hicks"? Would there have been an alternative motive as NESV owns the paper? Or am getting it all wrong KEEP BELIEVING FELLOW REDS. Niko.
{Editor's Note: You are getting something wrong. The New York Post is ownerd by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation - certainly not NESV.}
11 Oct 2010 12:41:32
It is amazing that so many people know so many legal experts. One thing that no one has touched on at the moment is that Corp law is very complex and can be an absolute minefield. It is very unlikely that this will be settled in one court appearance. It is likely that it would drag on for sometime, way beyond Friday's RBS deadline.
If this is the case then Liverpool, will go into administration. Sad Days these. . .
{Editor's Note: I imagine that the banks will not be looking to put the club in to Administration unless all other options have been exhausted. I am pretty sure that they would not do it with legal proceedings pending.}
11 Oct 2010 12:37:54
Hey There,
Joe Biden here emailing from Washington would you ever Fxxk OFF with these emails you dumb ass ball bags!
We couldnt give 2 s* ts if your club disappears off the face of the world we invade countries so ur way down the list not even on it.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Ps good luck Tom and George
11 Oct 2010 12:37:20
I woult not get concerned by the reports that NEVS may walk away if the club is docked 9 points. NEVS are singing from the same hymn sheet as Broughton. It serves the club well for NEVSs to say this as this is likley to be another reason to support a judge finding in favour of Broughton. Reality Red
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I agree.
There is an article on director.co.uk titled 'A Fair Kop'. Have a read of it.
It discusses Section 172 of the Companies Act 2006 and how a directors are to act "in the way he considers, in good faith, would be most likely to promote the success of the company for the benefit of its members as a whole".
The article then proceeds to with a list of 6 further criteria including
1) The likely consequences of any decision in the long term
2) The interests of employees
3) The need to foster good relationships with suppliers and customers
4) The impact of the company's operations on the community and the environment
5) The desirability of the company maintaining a reputation for high standards of business conduct and
6) The need to act fairly as between members of the company.
The 1st one is very important here and I bet Broughton will have made sure that NESV have made the threat to withdraw. He can then paint a very bad picture of the consequences of the court blocking the takeover. RBS > Administration > Deduction of Points > Relegation > loss of revenue > loss of value of club > Disaster! !
If the takeover proceeds, club immediately free of debt.
The consequences each judgement is a no brainer!
{Editor's Note: Someone pointed this out to me earlier, so I asked for advice over this and the response is as follows: "As the article notes, Section 172 of the Companies Act has never been tested in the courts and I would be most surprised if it were to be as part of this case. If it is, a precedent will need be set and that gives the immediate option to request the Law Lords to provide either a clarification or agreement as it will have become a point in Law. The Barristers working on behalf of the football club will not want to be setting any precedents."}
11 Oct 2010 12:35:49
NOT ABIG CLUB NOW ARE YOU. JUST A LAUGHING STOCK HA HA HA
11 Oct 2010 12:29:09
Please please don't get sidetracked by this media frency do you think the red sox consortium brougthon etc . . . . . would of went public wit out checking every angle up an down first trust it will be ok. fact. . . an the players all of them hav got us in2 tis mess football trouble. . no hiding stand up earn your wages or get out. fact ur wearing that historic shirt wears the pride the fight come on. . . . . ,
11 Oct 2010 12:24:22
Our proud club is being dragged into a legal soap opera. The press is now focusing on which side has got the most impressive legal team – who'll end up paying for all this?
What's happened to going to the match for a laugh with your mats – by the end of this week I'll know more about corporate law than I know about the soddn offside rule. We want our club back (and Woy out)
11 Oct 2010 12:21:15
>>I don't expect an answer from him but I have
>>emailed Senator Joe Biden, Vice President of the
>>United States of America and pointed out to him
>>the possible harm being done to American
>>business and trade interests abroad by H & G. If
>>their methods of working and behaviour towards
>> millions of supporters of one to the most
>>prestigious Sports Clubs in the world are to be
>>the benchmark expected from American owners
>>his Nation is being sold short. I have politely
>>asked him to remind these two that it's
>>sometimes better to withdraw gracefully and
>>retain some dignity and National pride. In the
>>unlikely event of me receiving an answer from him
>>I will post it.
You are just making the Liverpool fans even more of a lughing stock.
11 Oct 2010 12:21:04
To the guy who emailed Joe Biden.
Great work! I emailed the Pope and asked if he would put a good word in with God to try and oust the Yanks. I have also emailed Oprah and X Factor winner Leona Lewis.
I also phoned President Hugo Chavez but was put on hold. I have also been camping in Stevie Gs garden for a month but as yet he has not come out to speak to me however Alex has been very friendly when he has been away on international duty. I have 3 signatures on a petition to force the UN to let Rush and Aldo address the general assembly.
I think we should vent fury anger and threats at the prospective owners as well as they have not promised Messi Ronaldo and Kaka.
I am much to busy moaning and fighting about ownership to continue supporting the club.
11 Oct 2010 12:17:53
We didn't get VDV cos he we didn't have enough money. simple. harry got him at the last "second" for a cut price so well done harry.
even if hicks loses the court case, he will appeal so there won't be a desicion until well after oct 15th. the important questions are:
1. Will the Premier league dock 9 points? (probably)
2. Will RBS grant an extension to the loan due on Oct 15th until court case is resolved? - (hopefully, as it is in their best interests that NESV don't walk away)
{Editor's Note: The Premier League will not deduct points until the club enter Administration. RBS and Wachovia (Wells Fargo) are unlikely to do anything to compromise any sale pending the conclusion of the court case and any sale process that is in hand.}
11 Oct 2010 11:53:30
Administration is the only way Liverpool will get 9 points all season, even if it means points deducted, its still the biggest amount of points you will get.Come on you blues.
11 Oct 2010 11:38:32
Players to sell over nxt 2 tranfer windows.
maxi 2m (useless winger)
lucas 5m (useless all 2gether)
babel 7m (not up to it imo)
ngog 5m (will never be up)
spearing 3m (can bring in better)
kuyt 10m (no qulity, time to cash in 30 plus)
poulsen 3m ( cr*p)
jovanovic 7m ( just not liverpool standard imo)
kyriakos 1.5m ( cash in before he retires)
aquilani 12m ( shame, but doubt he will be back)
konchesky 2m (not liverpool standard)
auralio 1.5m (always injured)
total 57m
bring in over nxt 2 transfer windows
hangeland 10m ( partner agger long term)
turan 10m (quaility lerf winger)
honda 10m ( has quality in several positions)
sanchez 15m (quality right winge
banega 12m (playmaker and ball winner)
tawio (pre contract) ( good left back )
aguero 35m ( marqee signing )
total in 92m
from player sales and a small investment of 35m from the new owners, it cud and proberly wud put us back in2 a position to compete at the top end of the table. bring in maybe 2 or 3 in january and the rest at the beginning of the summer window, to give the team a pre season together. the squad wud then have enough youth and experience to drive forward for years to come. the squad wud be in place, and a total rebuild each summer wud not be needed allowing the 20-30m each year to be spent on 1 maybe 2 world class additions to further deepen the quaility of depth. the above mentioned to the likes of gerrard, torres, cole, merieles, agger, johnson reina, even the ageing jamie carragher would give us an amazing first eleven, with youth such as kelly, pacheco, shelvey, even the young lad raheem sterling wud give the the future of lfc a very bright out look.
before people bang on about the wage bill being 2 high, aguero is the only one who wud command a huge wage. whereas kuyt and aquilani have a big wage at presant. also more players are being sold than brought in. but average players are bein replaced with quailty
11 Oct 2010 10:57:57
CAN I JUST SAY THAT ROY HOGSON IS A WORSE MANAGER THEN BENITEZ HE SAID NO TO VAN DER VART BIG MISTAKE HE USED NEGATIVE TACTICS WITH 2 HOLDING MIDFILDERS HE NEVER GOT A STRIKER BIG MISTAKE LIVERPOOL NEED ATLEAST 1 MORE STRIKER HE GOT POULSEN BIG MISTAKE, HE GOT KONCHESKY INSTEAD OF SALCIDO WHO IS BETTER SAMMY LEE NEEDS TO GO BRING BACK PACO EVEN BENITEZ WONT HAVE LOST TO BLACKPOOL HE TRIED TO LOWER FANS EXPECTATIONS WHEN HE SHOULD NOT HE NEVER BACKED TORRES WHEN ALEX FERGUSON CALLED HIM A CHEAT HIS NEVER GONNA WIN US ANYTHING WE LOST TO NORTHAMTON IN THE ONLY TROPHY WE COULD HAVE WON SACK HIM NOW BEFORE HE WASTES MORE MONEY AND GETS US INTO A RELEGATION BATTLE REN
11 Oct 2010 10:48:49
Ed, do you think Shelvey deserves a chance at top flight, at this stage. He seems to be a good answer to Wilshere. Keeping in mind that Wilshere is still the better one? What about case, when is the hearing. I have heard that it'll be tomorrow. . thanks {ed's note - Wilshere is a few years older than Shelvey and a totally different type of player. Wilshere is a typical Arsene player, small, lightweight, prone to feigning injury, great ability on the ball. Shelvey should be an all-round central midfielder for the future, he really needs regular football in the first team though.}
Wilshere is 18 years old, as is Shelvey! {ed's note - I thought Wilshere was 19 or 20?}
Wilshere was born 01/ 01/ 92
Shelvey was born 27/ 02/ 92
But you are right ed, Shelvey is a different type of player, its a bit like Pogba at Manchester United, Shelvey & Pogba rely on power rather than referees blowing up for minimal barges. Usually players like this develop at around 20-21. Although both are capable of playing in the United & Liverpool side against weaker opposition right now, what do you think ed? {ed's note - I never realised Wilshere was that age, still doesn't excuse him being such a cheating little cry baby rolling around the floor at every opportunity. What ever happened to not showing the opposition they had hurt you? All that ability and still he feels the need to cheat, it is a sad world we live in these days. I would play Shelvey now, I think he is already a better player than Poulsen and Lucas and deserves his chances.}
11 Oct 2010 10:24:46
Ed, do you think Shelvey deserves a chance at top flight, at this stage. He seems to be a good answer to Wilshere. Keeping in mind that Wilshere is still the better one? What about case, when is the hearing. I have heard that it'll be tomorrow. . thanks {ed's note - Wilshere is a few years older than Shelvey and a totally different type of player. Wilshere is a typical Arsene player, small, lightweight, prone to feigning injury, great ability on the ball. Shelvey should be an all-round central midfielder for the future, he really needs regular football in the first team though.}
Wilshere is 18 years old, as is Shelvey! {ed's note - I thought Wilshere was 19 or 20?}
11 Oct 2010 09:52:50
Just when we thought we couldn't get worse than lucas we sign Poulsen, for this Lfc need a new DCM/ holding mid.
ladders
11 Oct 2010 09:45:07
With the way things are at the moment the everton game is just what we need, players raise there game for these fixtures. its playing the so called lesser teams that can prove to be the dreaded banana skins.
11 Oct 2010 09:44:36
Why would hicks want to go to court?
1 if he wins he has 3 days to find £300m or lose the club to the banks
2 if he has already got the cash he would pay the bank and sack the board
3 he will not risk £300m of his own money to buy the club
4 even the team sales would not cover the debt of £300m
{Editor's Note: He is trying to buy more time to raise the funds to pay off RBS and Wachovia - either through re-financing or through a buyer that will pay mre for the club (his ultimate aim in any case).}
11 Oct 2010 09:23:10
Lose at the weekend and your season is officially over, a draw is not good enough, its time for your players to fight back, prove themselves, then wait to be sold, but who will buy them, most of them you could not give away.
11 Oct 2010 08:53:09
Ed, do you think Shelvey deserves a chance at top flight, at this stage. He seems to be a good answer to Wilshere. Keeping in mind that Wilshere is still the better one? What about case, when is the hearing. I have heard that it'll be tomorrow. . thanks {ed's note - Wilshere is a few years older than Shelvey and a totally different type of player. Wilshere is a typical Arsene player, small, lightweight, prone to feigning injury, great ability on the ball. Shelvey should be an all-round central midfielder for the future, he really needs regular football in the first team though.}
11 Oct 2010 08:44:27
Re:
ive talked with my brother, who is a solicitor and he has told me that the courts decision will be based on whats better for the future of the club
If your brother is a solicitor he would have told you the court's decision would be what is correct according to UK and European law. It is quite simple, if (as he has pretty much stated) Broughton has a signed written undertaking by the owners that:
i, only he can change the membership of the board ii, the owners cannot obsturct a reasonable sale of the club
iii, There are no additional relevant clauses that allow i and ii to be overridden
Then the sale to NESV will go through as that would be correct in the eyes of the law.
If the above conditions are not met then Hicks may well win as he is the owner of the club and as the old saying goes "ownership is nine tenths of the law". The board would not then be allowed to sell something that it didn't own against the wish of the owners unless their permission to do so was clearly set out.
Personally, Broughton is one of the few Chelsea fans I'd trust and I doubt very much he would have gone down the current route if conditions i, ii and iii above were not met.
Bob
11 Oct 2010 08:40:20
If the take over does go through this week (I'm still not convinced but anything's got to be better than H&G) then people are going to have to remain focused regarding players coming in in January.
I doubt we are going to have £100m to spend on players and what money we do have is going to be hard to spend as January is notoriously difficult to buy class players. To get other clubs that are still in Europe to sell their players is going to be difficult as well as convincing a player to come to us if we're still doing babaly in the league.
We don't want to be spending £8m on Spurs squad players who can't get in their own team, cost £2m 18months ago and has no pace - we have enother of those players already!
So don't be surprised if we only manage to sign a couple of players that strengthen our team (i.e. classed as starters not squad players).
Here's hoping we get some positive news in the next few days and cement that with a win on Saturday (if he starts I wonder what the odds for Poulsen getting sent off are!).
Hoola
11 Oct 2010 07:02:31
"to this plunker who wrote this have ypu been paying atension for the last 3.5 yrs when them 2 fat p* * s toke over (ED please post this )
IIRIIS_RED"
So even the second place achieved should be credited to them i suppose!
11 Oct 2010 06:33:38
Hopefully we'll c the end of h&g, torres'll start bangin the goals in and we'll kickstart r season with a win over the blues* * on sunday.quick note to h&g lfc is a worldwide footballing family not a moneymaking machine for you 2 pair of b* * * s ynwa! !
11 Oct 2010 06:02:16
I hope this will be the team to face everton
reina
kelly skrtel agger konch
gerrard meireles
kuyt cole pacheco
torres
but knowing roy, it'll probably be
torres
kuyt cole gerrard pacheco
skrtel konch
meireles agger kelly
reina
11 Oct 2010 05:48:22
I heard that Pepe Reina, as expressed a wish to join Real Madrid. What a sad day that would be if he left.The only Player I would really miss out of our current squad and that's a fact.
Go to Real and stay behind Iker Casillas in the pecking order? That's a really smart move.
singapore red
{Editor's Note: It was an old article and not what he said.}
11 Oct 2010 05:00:43
Dear ED and All REDMEN,
This is ref: the take over saga.
Speaking to a friend who is a Spurs fan (so glotting as he says this) that all the talk of there being 3/ 2 on the board in favour of selling the club is niether here nor there come Tuesday.
As the company the own L.F.C. Kop Holding/ Kop Football LTD have a board of directors I.E. H&G and not Broughton/ Purslow/ Ayre, so if they do not want to sell, they don't have to.
Ok my fiend is no legal eagle but he knows more about business law/ etiquette than I.
I was just wondering if anyone could throw any more light on this, as if it is true bar H&G refinancing Kop Holding it's Admin and -6 points come Friday.
Cheers for the post.
Markolfc Y.N.W.A. {ed's note - so you think Martin Broughton and a team of lawyers with full access to all relevant documentation know less than a gloating Spurs fan?}
Mate your friend is a dumbarse
11 Oct 2010 04:52:31
Hodgson, this is not rocket science. get your act together or get fired. Johnson is not good in defending, but Kelly is. start him instead. Give Pacheco a chance. What, are you scared he might do bad? How else is he going to learn? Gerrard and Meireles is the best midfield pairing we can have. Poulsen should be in the bench and Lucas should galaxies away from liverpool. We should play 4-2-1-3. People say we have a winger problem. how about not playing with wingers? people say torres needs a strike partner. give him 2. the central role is cole's best position.
This should be our best lineup.
Reina
Kelly Carragher Agger Konchesky
Gerrard Meireles
Cole
Kuyt Torres Jovanovic
I doubt Torres will play against Everton. This is my lineup for sunday. Let Pacheco start.
Reina
Kelly Carragher Agger Konchesky
Gerrard Meireles
Cole
Pacheco Kuyt Jovanovic
11 Oct 2010 04:20:27
# 520. Sign the petition please
11 Oct 2010 03:58:58
I'd just like to say re. the takeover and the doubters;
This is the UK.
The banks always get what they want (or do you have a really short memory?)
On this occasion, the banks want a sale.QED.
BRF
11 Oct 2010 02:46:14
If the court rules in hicks favour would they be putting us in a state of forced insolvency/ administration endangering the clubs future and reputation because of the ruling ; especially if the other party involved have the ability to clear the debt in full and hicks does not have the means. also, does anyone know is there going to be a jury involved?
any idea ed?
redsincebirth
Y.N.W.A. . AND FOR GODS SAKE H&G JUST LEAVE OUR CLUB ALONE!
11 Oct 2010 01:11:17
"Don't blame the owners for Liverpool's plight, it's the players fault
So True
SinghKing
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to this plunker who wrote this have ypu been paying atension for the last 3.5 yrs when them 2 fat p* * s toke over (ED please post this )
IIRIIS_RED"
Our players have been affected by bad ownership issues - that's natural, and, subconsciously, protested against the owners by being less motivated. Even though they are professionals, they are still human. Looks like all eggs are in one busket: NESV might walk away if we are dedacted points and I wouldn't mind if the team went on strike just to put more pressure on the PIG HEADED AND NARROW MINDED JERKS who are H&G.
RHI (at the end of my wits here, worried and angry)
P.S.
Ed or ed, what's going to happen with that petition at the top of the page. I signed it. Where will it go?
And also which court house on Tuesday? I'd like to join a peaceful demo.
Thanks.
RHI
{Editor's Note: I don't know about the petition but the case will likely be held in London - I don't know where yet.}
11 Oct 2010 01:03:06
'Don't blame the owners for Liverpool's plight, it's the players fault'
To the person who wrote this above comment
You are probably a bitter or a Manc, stay with your own forums instead of coming to ours we understand it's jealously but get a life.
11 Oct 2010 00:51:33
Hi Ed,
I hope this gets posted because I am a little confused!
Was there not a clause put in place by RBS that Boughton and his team had final say in the sale of LFC and that h&g would not be able to block or have a say in the potential new owners and sale of the club as a result of them not paying the loan? I am sure that I read this, so how have tmNaged to take it to court? Ed can you shine any light?
{Editor's Note: We don't know the exact provisions and that may be the issue.}
11 Oct 2010 00:34:32
Oh my god! Someone is actually blaming sammy lee for outmr poor fortunes!?!? Bet you wrmerent saying that when he helped rafa and us get to 2nd in prem and last 8 of champions league! What he has done for our club sice he came back has been immence! Memorial paintongs of the past to show the foreigners where they are and to give them pride. Anyone ever bad mouths sammy again ill personally find you and show you why he is amazing
11 Oct 2010 00:27:11
I h*cking hate SSN not once today did they mention the Purslow interview. In which he says "we are not even comtemplating administration and nobody should be" But still SSN are running with the points deduction story.
SSN came on today and said they had breaking news and had Brian Swanson on the fone and he said that "NESV wiil pull out of the deal IF there is a 9 point deduction"
This is how bad SSN have got they said it was breaking news about 11.30-1pm and we all knew from yesterday on site's and today on sh*tty tabloids that was the rumour doing the rounds.
The question is do we believe Christian Purslow or SSN who have never broken any news about our possible takeover never. And also had "massive" news about Yahya Kirdi and how he was hoping to tie the deal up with H&G within a few days remember?
Blair Mayne YNWA
11 Oct 2010 00:10:18
Why on earth would liverpool want to buy kevin davis i no he is good enough for bolton but not for us , i would go for honda, mata, cahill and llorente, simple as that as llorente is younger and better than davis the only downside to llorente is he would take time to settle where davis won't but we do need significant investment in the team and i don't believe woy is the man to sort it out hes ok if you want murphy, davis, poulsson, koncheski, but id rather have pelligrini/ hiddink cause they will attract he players like honda, llorente, mata
OUTS
kuyt-10m
babel-8m
aquallani-15m
lucas-7m
poulsson-4m
johnson-16m
jovanovic-7m
skrtel-7m
deadwood-15m
TOTAL-89MILL
INS
mata-15m
gibbs-10m
sanchez-15m
elija-8m
benega-12m
cahill-15m
llorente-13m
azpilicueta-8m(spelling)
TOTAL-86MILL
my starting team would be
. . . . . . . . . . .REINA. . . . . . . . .
azpilicueta. .cahill. . agger. . gibbs
sanchez. . . gerrard. .benega. . mata.
. . . . . .torres. . . . . llorente
SUBS- kelly, wilson, meireles, cole, pacheco, elija, jones
so how do you like my team ed would it do well in prem
10 Oct 2010 23:58:11
One thing that's been bothering me for days is why would Hicks push this to court if he had no plan should he win. We must surely assume that he has some way of re-financing the debt. I can see no point in winning in court, only for RBS to push LFC into administration, which could lead to the club being sold for less than market value, and Hicks still ending up with nothing. I am worried that too many people are getting carried away by assuming this is cut and dry, and are in danger of underestimating Hicks. I hope it's just my reluctance to get my hopes up, but I am a little worried there may be a nasty surprise in store. On the other hand, Broughton clearly knows what he's doing, so let's just hope.
DA
10 Oct 2010 23:52:57
Why do some o called fans on here keep linking us with players from Wigan, West Ham , and Stoke, we are Liverpool fc, one of the best clubs in the world, we should not be bying ordinary, run of the mile players, we should be chasing quality.
If there good enough for these teams they are probably not good enough for Liverpool.
As for Poulson, and the ex-fulham left back, any chance we can get a refund, and some say Lucas is not good enough, have you watched Poulson??
rasone
10 Oct 2010 23:50:37
Liverpool fans need not worry. We will not be entering administration or lose the court case. Its just the media trying to cause us heart ache. I studied the media for 2 years and learnt that all they do is create fear because people react to fear. There trying to scare us until we win and everything is rosey. By Thursday we will be a new club!
10 Oct 2010 23:41:55
2 THINGS FOR SURE HICKS CANT FIND ANY BACKERS AND HE WILL NOT RISK £300M OF HIS OWN CASH.HE WILL TAKE THE DEAL ON THE TABLE AS HE HAS RAN OUT OF TIME