Liverpool Banter Archive October 11 2015

 

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11 Oct 2015 22:47:56
hi eds will klopp bring that machine he had at dortmund to our club, i don't know what it is called but there's a player in a circle and is faced with 4 walls of squares which light up for the player to put the ball into, i don't know if you have been asked this already

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{Ed002's Note - See previous answer.}

11 Oct 2015 22:04:42
Just a few questions for ed001 if he is available.

Firstly as we all know Klopp likes to play with one striker so who do you see being the main striker?

Also can you see Origi and Ings getting chances upfront over Sturridge and Benteke?

Last question is more of a request. What do you think is our best starting 11 and formation is when everybody is fit.

Any reply would be appreciated.

PS- best of luck to your friend.

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{Ed001's Note - Sturridge.
I expect them to get a chance at least early on, as Klopp will want to assess them.
I did that on the teams page yesterday mate, I don't want to clog up this page when people start replying with formations, as they take over the page.

Thank you very much, I really appreciate everyone's best wishes.}

11 Oct 2015 22:49:53
Cheers mate!
Where would that leave Benteke though do you expect him to take a bench role?

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{Ed001's Note - sometimes, though Sturridge and him do tend to get injured a lot, so I am sure they can alternate.}

12 Oct 2015 09:23:15
Assuming Klopp gets the team playing like Dortmund a few seasons ago, wouldn't Benteke be the better choice? As I remember, Dortmund played very direct and that sometimes meant just lumping it to Lewa, with Lewa bringing the ball under control and playing in the attacking midfielders. Wouldn't that suit Benteke more than it would suit Sturridge? I guess you might argue that Klopp's teams are all about pace and 'gegenpressing', but despite his 'target-man' label, Benteke does possess decent pace, and to be entirely honest, Sturridge is no more hardworking at pressing than Benteke is. Don't get me wrong, Sturridge is one of my favourite players at Liverpool, but it just seems to me that Benteke seems more suited to Klopp's style. Any thoughts Ed001? Would much appreciate your input and tactical insight.

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12 Oct 2015 10:38:35
I agree with the zspecialone as Benteke is more similar to Lewandowski and Sturridge is more like Aubamayang and in the season that Klopp had both he played Lewandowski upfront with Aubamayang on the right. Personally I can see the same think happening with Benteke upfront and Sturridge cutting in from the right.

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12 Oct 2015 10:38:56
How to chose a striker. .

Do you want a striker who can hold the ball up and play others in but is wasteful in front of goal, or do you want a striker who converts the majority of chances?

I want a striker who will convert chances and Sturridge is streets ahead of Benteke in this regard. I think Ings is a better finisher than Benteke.

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11 Oct 2015 22:06:32
Mueller wants to.come to the PL because of the bumper wages and that "it's good soo much money is invested by the club (wages).
Has the prices for fans been reduced yet in the PL? A disgrace how the PL is run. It's no longer for the fans. It's how much clubs can get out of fans. Players wages is becoming absolutely comical and yet fans are struggling to afford tickets

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12 Oct 2015 00:04:35
I don't want to sound like a dick or anything. But here goes.

With FFP, surely ticket prices could mean the difference in between buying a muller, aguero or Suarez or buying a downing, Adam or Allen.

Guess I'm trying to say if the club reinvests the money it gets into providing top quality football and entertainment and we win trophies. I'm not complaining about ticket prices

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{Ed007's Note - Muller's at a team you can buy a ST to watch for 140 Euros. Aren't English teams getting enough from TV that they can finally stop squeezing supporters for every last penny?}

12 Oct 2015 00:04:55
Really surprising hearing that coming out of a player who has always come across as the pinnacle of efficiency, proffesionalism and being underrated yet humble.

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12 Oct 2015 01:23:55
Agreed 007. It took a lot of coin and luck to get to a game from Australia. Lol. But I managed.

Charging like a bull when you have to sit through the garbage we have been served up in the last 12 months is criminal. But I would have paid even more to watch a game during the Suarez era where we would score 3 goals in the first 20 mins. Anfield would have been electric

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{Ed007's Note - That's devotion mate and I tip my hat to you for making that trip. Ticket prices and the general treatment of supporters is something I could rant about for hours, I'm loving all the Twenty's Plenty stuff just now and I think the FSF are doing a good job in difficult circumstances to highlight these type of problems modern fans face.
The English game sold it's soul to Sky and if you do a deal with the devil there's always a price of some sort to pay, have you seen Rosemary's Baby?}

12 Oct 2015 01:28:57
AW, I am not surprised. He always came off as honest in interviews, so nothing new here. People need to understand that once you have more of something, you always want more. Most of the time.

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11 Oct 2015 21:56:05
Saw a post lower down on the page in which a rely mentioned how Spain and Germany are streets ahead of England in terms of coaching. Why stop there! France, Belgium and arguably Italy, too! On that point, what's everyone's verdict for the Euros next season? Personally can't look beyond France. Hosting the tournament, with pace and power like no other squad strength in depth, a spine of dreams- Lloris, Varane/Sakho/Laporte/Umtiti/Koscielny/Zouma (take your pick!), Matuidi, Kondogbia, Pogba/ Benzema, and 2 brilliant young players in Griezmann and Pogba who'll be looking to make a mark on the international stage.

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11 Oct 2015 22:09:39
I'd say the Germans will have something to say about that, considering they are deserved World Champions. And Spain will not go away quietly, either, considering they have the most wins (along with the Germans).

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11 Oct 2015 22:11:32
I agree with Todd and you missed other young quality players of that list like Lacazette, Fekir and dare I say Martial.

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11 Oct 2015 22:15:49
Agree with you there, spain are still a worthy candidate, but they won't win it. The netherlands aren't qualifying, italy are still in limbo, like england.

I think that france have a real good crop emrging right now after a few years of dissapointment, especially at the world cup in 2010.

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11 Oct 2015 22:30:48
Kloppo, didn't forget about them, just not part of the spine, although I probably should have mentioned them regardless! Fekir is out til March with an injury though, I believe, so who knows if he'll be playing like he was last year.
Germans will have a shout, but I'd fancy the French to outpower them really. Spain can't be as bad as they were at the World Cup but I still don't see them winning next year.
Italy are always dangerous in tournament football, Austria and Poland will both be tough seeing how they've qualified, and I wouldn't be surprised if Wales got further than England!
Just consider this potential French team though:
Lloris/ Debuchy, Varane, Sakho (or any of the others I mentioned!), Kurzawa/ Pogba, Matuidi/ Lacazette, Fekir, Griezmann/ Benzema
And they can play Schneiderlin and Kondogbia in central midfield when needed! Such a good squad!

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11 Oct 2015 21:46:06
lewandowski, after watching him for the first today, while he is a great striker and if Klopp wants him (doubtful) he is worse then Suarez for looking for penny's on the floor. He goes down easier then a 90 year old. No offence to 90 year olds.

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11 Oct 2015 22:11:00
Sour grapes i guess.

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11 Oct 2015 22:30:42
dublad so you are saying you would not want him if we went in for him ,never mind benteke and sturridge are so injury prone that they only have to look at the pitch and they start limping , lol

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11 Oct 2015 22:53:19
He doesn't need to drop to the floor as soon as he gets a touch. Granted I seen o'shea trying to be skittles and getting away with it.

How many people where embarrassed by Suarez, Ronaldo (when at Utd), and countless others who roll around with the slightest touch or drop to the floor with someone breathing on them??

Not sour grapes, we didn't even deserve 3rd.

If take anyone who'd win us the league, but rather one who scores goals and stays on his feet.

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11 Oct 2015 19:09:11
Leno could be a good option. Reportedly has a buy out of £13m.

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{Ed002's Note - It is of zero relevance - the club could charge Liverpool what they want. Firmino had a buyout clause of €20M but Liverpool paid €41M possibly rising to €50M.}

11 Oct 2015 20:38:01
Ok. Any idea what he'd go for?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea.}

11 Oct 2015 20:55:58
Don't mean to rehash things from the past, Ed, but the way money has been spent the past 3 years is mind-boggling at times.

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{Ed002's Note - And that is why the club is in so much debt and why Klipperty said what he did.}

11 Oct 2015 21:55:23
It can only be a positive if Jurgen Klopp sees who can come through from the underage teams; we have to start getting value from the Academy given the resources spent on it. Teixeria has def got the potential to come through; and potentially save us spending a fortune on a similar ability older player.

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11 Oct 2015 22:31:34
Istanbul - I hope you're right. But these managers have so much pressure put on them to win and to win right away, that I'm not sure Klopp feels he has the time to bring along youngsters and nurture them for a year or two. He could do it at Mainz and Dortmund because the expectations were nowhere as high as at LFC now. Klopp has been brought in to win, and that should be very clear, given the sudden and unceremonious bunking of the Rodgers regime. I don't believe the soundbytes given to the Press, for even one minute. Klopp has been told to win and he's going to do it the way he knows how, while keeping the media and fans happy by giving them what they want to hear (which he knows too well already). Just a few games into the season and barely 15 minutes after the Southampton match was over, a manager of Mourinho's stature and achievements, could not hide the pressure and proceeded to ramble on tv endlessly, falling just short of pleading to keep his job. That's the pressure.

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11 Oct 2015 18:49:12
Just wanted to say what a lift to our club this week gone has been .I have not been of this site and the Internet since rodgers was sacked thanks to the eds and macca for the truth . And everyone who contributes to the site bring on Tottenham sat win lose or draw we move forward United as one

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11 Oct 2015 14:06:44
Ed0001 and benny! when can we expect the next podcast, I think the klopp apointment deserves one prior to the game this weekend!! Thanks for all your efforts, the real reason behind the request is joke of the week tbh!!

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{Ed001's Note - hopefully get it recorded tonight.}

11 Oct 2015 11:40:07
Hi eds,
As klopp has been talking about the youth being given a chance, who do you see as our most likely to be given a chance?

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{Ed001's Note - I think Teixeira will be the most likely, he has stood out for years now.}

11 Oct 2015 14:09:08
Do you think i'm safe to buy a texiera shirt now or should i leave it as i jinxed suso and pacheco

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{Ed002's Note - Whatever you decide to do, I would take a grown up who can spell along with you.}

11 Oct 2015 14:11:12
Whilst I agree they should be given a chance I don't think we can expect to see to much of them this season. BR has bought a huge squad so he didn't have to use the youth so it's hard to see many getting a look in unless we have good runs in all 3 cups or are hit by injuries.

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11 Oct 2015 17:58:58
I won't have to the smweb site has drop down boxs

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{Ed002's Note - Drop down what?}

11 Oct 2015 18:59:03
Boxs they're my g3s version of boxes and smwebsite i have no idea what that is .i need a talk phone forum for the problems i'm having with this lgs keyboard and lag.dont get an lg g3 anyway

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11 Oct 2015 11:38:47
Another question for Ed 001 if I may,
Coutinhio and Firmino, both at their best judged by most would be CAM, even though Firmino hasn't been played there yet for Liverpool and Coutunhio has made the position his own, even though in my own opinion I believe Coutinhio is a better player on the left side cutting in and carrying the ball forward than everything that involves playing as a CAM which I think Firmino is an all round better player there, how do you see Klopp utilising both to their natural strengths the most? Considering how much money we spent on Firmino and Rodgers didn't have a clue how to use him properly, what would your opinion be to get the most out of Coutinhio and Firmino for the team?

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{Ed001's Note - I would agree with you, Couts on the left cutting in and swapping with Firmino, who starts central. The way Klopp likes to play should allow either to work across any of the 3 positions behind the striker anyway. I expect to see them only really take up a position, as such, when we lose the ball. When we have it they will be moving all over the pitch.}

11 Oct 2015 14:28:26
Edd001 who's the striker as klopp likes playing one striker?
Sturridge is head and shoulders above the rest

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{Ed001's Note - has to be Sturridge.}

11 Oct 2015 15:43:45
There's been a lot of debate between my friends about this,they've all gone for Benteke as the striker,But I can't look past studge,who plays much better off the shoulder of the last man. They want Sturridge out wide right cutting in,but that would be a massive waste of his talent for me.
The only way I can see both getting into the team is firmino right,couts left benteke central and sturridge striker,which gives us the out of the long ball,but I once again feel that's a waste of the number 10. I wonder where Ings fits in in all of this.

Ed,would you play milner out wide right? and lucas hendo can in the 2 ahead of he defense? I realise most of this will probably pop up in the podcast. This has all got me really intrigued atm.

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{Ed001's Note - the only way Milner should get near the team is if he is out wide, otherwise he should be on the bench. I am with you on Sturridge, Benteke should only play up top with a partner for me.}

11 Oct 2015 16:18:01
I like the idea of benteke through the middle with sturridge and firmino up and around him, with coutinho at a deeper no 10 role. Sturridge not exactly a right wing role but more like inner right, as he spends most of time out there anyway. Firmino works hard and can track runs, sturridge would be less accustomed to it, but I think coutinho needs to pick the ball up deeper in the game and get involved more, especially on the counter

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11 Oct 2015 16:23:30
Edd001 even out wide we have better options. He is a good player to have in a squad but he was never going to improve the first team

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11 Oct 2015 16:11:22
Then on right?. Will it be Ings or Ibe?.

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{Ed001's Note - Ibe surely?}

11 Oct 2015 17:11:25
Ibe really needs to improve his performance, he as been poor this season.

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11 Oct 2015 18:57:01
Ibe will come good, give him mpre chance. Ings should definitely not play out wide and man! Ed I agree with you on Milner. my head was in my hands when we signed him and he justifies my scepticism week in week out. he's no midfielder

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11 Oct 2015 19:05:13
Ibe's been isolated and targeted by 2 defenders all season,I agree he could have done better in possession,but he's clearly been double marked and not helped by the team with a lack of attempt to get up and support him. Maybe he will improve with more attacking minded play.
Fencey when you say'' like the idea of benteke through the middle with sturridge and firmino up and around him, with coutinho at a deeper no 10 role''is that some sort of 4-2-1-3 you're thinking of? I'm trying to picture it.
I feel a bit bad for Ings,I think his performances have been deserving of a starting sport more than Benteke personally,but Benteke is the multi million striker.
I feel really excited to see our first run out and formation under klopp though I;ve not been this excited about LFC for a couple of years.

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11 Oct 2015 19:10:27
I think we're going to see a lot of them moved on and Klopp is going to build a title challenging team. I'd be suprised if more than 4 kept their place. Sturridge Couts Hendo and Clyne. Klopp will find better players than the rest IMO and I'll stand by him. Starting for the first time in many many years to 'believe'

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11 Oct 2015 20:17:07
Just four out of our squad ???? I disagree. You mentioned Sturridge, Coutinho, Henderson and Clyne, but what about the below


Firmino.
Flanagan.
Sahko.
Moreno.
Markovic.
Lallana.
Benteke.
Ings
Can.
Ibe.
Gomez.

I even think there's a chance now Ilori will stay and play too

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11 Oct 2015 20:31:29
No way can we bench Ings right now.

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11 Oct 2015 20:48:31
Jones. Klopp will want to win the league. He's a winner. I know as Liverpool fans we hold some sort of emotional ties with players but this manager is an out and out Champion. And he'll build a team that will destroy everyone in it's way. Even Fergie knows this. Say goodbye to the majority of this team and hello to a proper Liverpool team

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11 Oct 2015 21:43:12
I'm with jones on this, the squad is good and with just a few minor adjustments could be challenging for the titles. Priority for me would be a keeper and sorting out CB issue ( be it selling lovren and skrtl or playing a system which gets the best out of them) half these players were well sort after by many teams prior to being 'brendaned'. It's not their fault he's pretty much played all of them out of their natural positions in a style of football which involves skrtl as the deep lying playmaker.

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11 Oct 2015 22:43:36
Mightyreds , how old is jordan ibe , ffs why don't you give the kid a break do you moanwhen sturridge has a bad game , if he read your post how do you think it would make him play better or worse , he is a young player and i'm glad we have him I've watched him for a long time now and when he has his cinfidence up he is a really good player , he had a bad game and everyone got on his back then he was played out of position he never sulked but tried his best and he still got more stick , he needs some confidence like a lot of the players in our squad after BR and once klopp puts that back into the players then you will see how good he really is , he is also really good at tracking back when we get caught on the break because of his speed but that never gets mentioned by fans on here , the lad is a very good player let him get game time under his belt and if he plays a whole season and plays bad in evry game then you can say you was right

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12 Oct 2015 00:16:23
Sterling went through poor form once, its young players for you. I really wouldn't worry about ibe. If he needs to be taken out of the team then klopp will do it.

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10 Oct 2015 22:39:50
Edds which Italian signing was the best for Liverpool? I don't know why but most Italian players flop at Liverpool, m still investigating this matter though, is it the physicality of the Epl?

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{Ed002's Note - None of Borini, Dossena, Balotelli, Aquilani or Padelli have made much of an impression at Liverpool.}

11 Oct 2015 14:25:57
i am struggling to think of any italian that has really cut it the prem,

zola prob the best
ravenelli done it for a season.
the new kid at man united does look a good player ,but on the whole i think the pace of the prem is too much for guys who play in a far more technical league.

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{Ed002's Note - Vialli, Silenza, Di Canio, Cudicini, Di Matteo and Carbone are some other examples. I would note that four Italians I can think of (Vialli, Di Matteo, Lombardo and Di Canio) have also managed premier league sides.}

11 Oct 2015 16:21:09
There aren't many though at all, no top players from Italy come to the prem anymore, only pelle and darmian is in the Italy squad I think from the prem

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11 Oct 2015 17:06:25
Zola.
Up there with the best players who've graced the EPL

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11 Oct 2015 22:44:41
remember ravenelli , sorry about the spelling ,

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11 Oct 2015 09:03:10
Hi eds, which gk would you like to see us bring in, because the thought of migs being a sweeper keeper is (comical) frightening

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{Ed023's Note - I would like us to go for Bernd Leno}

11 Oct 2015 13:42:18
Imo bernd leno is criminally underrated due to the sheer number of class goalkeepers germany have, would love us to go for him. Still pretty young and very much and achievable transfer.

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{Ed001's Note - good choice that one. Remember the days when English keepers were produced in the numbers Germany is now producing them?}

11 Oct 2015 13:54:46
Yann Sommer for me. Bundesliga is definitely the place to look.

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11 Oct 2015 13:58:23
Zieler or Leno for me. Patricio of Sporting Lisbon would not look out of place either. But we need a new GK for sure. Migs and Bogdan cannot play as sweeper keepers.

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11 Oct 2015 14:23:02
Leno looks good and seems to play with the passion klopp likes. Think we need personalities in the dressing room again and he certainly would be one.

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11 Oct 2015 14:30:04
Edd001 the whole coaching system in England is dire. England are miles away from Spain and Germany.

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{Ed001's Note - very true, sad state of affairs.}

11 Oct 2015 16:45:33
How about Gerónimo Rulli Ed001?

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{Ed001's Note - I know Moyes rates him very highly, but I have never seen him play to be honest.}

11 Oct 2015 16:56:21
I only saw him once, from that appearance he looked like a carbon copy of Peter Schmiechel. I know it's just one appearance but still, he looked really good.

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11 Oct 2015 17:08:13
has to be jan oblak for me cost a bomb tho

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11 Oct 2015 19:41:14
We should just go for Khune, his ball distribution is pin point.

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11 Oct 2015 21:40:15
So had some what of premature out burst of who we should bring in as our new keeper suggesting Reina / Valdes, so after doing some research and listening to recommendations although I like the look of Leno I think he struggles with crosses, but I have to agree with hsf I think Geronimo Rulli looks an absolute beast just not to sure if his ownership would cause issues.

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11 Oct 2015 13:20:14
Would he be attainable for Lfc?

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11 Oct 2015 12:00:53
Really hope it's true that were looking for a new keeper I think this is the most important position for us to get right a strong keeper will bring confidence for the defenders which we badly need I really think mignolet is the worst keeper in the prem distribution terrible decision making terrible positioning between the sticks terrible he's had his chance an he's been terrible people say he's a good shot stopper give me or anyone on this site 60-80 grand a week an you will see how willing we are too throw ourselves infront of the ball.on another note just wanna say never been so excited to have klopp at the helm time an patience is required of course but hoping he puts us back on top :-)

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11 Oct 2015 12:24:39
Wouldn't bother with any paper talk to be honest.

How do the media know who klopp wants already? We're going to be linked to all the Germany players, the Dortmund team or anyone klopp had interest in in the past.

Lets give him chance to start working with the players first.

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11 Oct 2015 12:39:45
To be fair the little dog down the road knows we need a better keeper.

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11 Oct 2015 13:53:07
I've heard it's the Mainz keeper and Leno been looked at . Makes sense . In both we need a keeper and they are 2 very good keepers . Very good distribution also . No paper talk

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11 Oct 2015 14:42:41
How is Wonderdog Sparky O G?

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11 Oct 2015 19:03:48
German players are what we should go for. Generally well disciplined and seldomly do they make bad signings. Sign em up!

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{Ed002's Note - Absolutely, Lewandowski, Hummels and Reus will be the three for January everyone seems to think.}

12 Oct 2015 05:07:10
Don't ever tell Lewa that he's German 😉

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11 Oct 2015 10:00:39
Hey ed01! A tactical question for you - in your opinion, how will Klopp solve our problems in defense? I was very glad to hear him say that this has to be the "first step". How do you see it happening in terms of personnel, and, most importantly - tactics? Will we finally see the end of the torrid idea that was Can-at-the-back? And even if better tactics are implemented, how will we stop the SILLY mistakes that always seem to plague us? Were they down to Rogers, or to the players themselves - Skrtel, Lovren, Moreno all seem quality defenders, but have been guilty for stupid blunders. Same goes for Sakho, even though I like him very much.

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{Ed001's Note - I would expect a back four that stands its ground, rather than runs away from attackers, holding a line, rather than just dropping off aimlessly, to allow for challenges to be made. The midfield and attack will be tasked with harrying opponents to stop them having time to pick a pass. The goalkeeper will be expected to sweep up and come off his line for the ball when he can, and command the box. Whether that can be done with the players we have is a different matter. The midfield and attack should have no issues, as should most of the defence, but Skrtel and Migs are not naturally suited, which could be a major problem.

As for the mistakes, which has been the major cause of our leaking goals, that just comes down to training. The players are not alert enough, due to the training methods used. Klopp always looks to use methods that improve reaction times and fitness, to ensure tiredness doesn't cause mistakes.

Tactically though, it will be mainly about frightening the opposition with our attack, to stop them being able to commit so many bodies to the attack for fear of leaving gaps in behind for our pace to break into.}

11 Oct 2015 10:51:47
Was Rodgers rather apathetic towards defence in training? A bit like how a teenager needs to study instead of perpetually procrastinate on the computer first?

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{Ed001's Note - apparently so yes, the defensive training was very weak, which shows in performances I guess.}

11 Oct 2015 11:28:51
You now make me feel guilty nick 😢

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11 Oct 2015 12:09:47
I'm kinda the same, Reet.

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11 Oct 2015 13:10:04
Frankly Ed, I think BR just couldn't be arsed about the defensive side of the game. There was a game where BR's Swansea team led Wolves by 4-1 in the second half and what was the final score? 4-4. Against CP, the same thing. The guy was just clueless at it and thank God, Klopp a former no nonsense CB, is now here to fix our issues.

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11 Oct 2015 22:50:21
If we didn't focus much on defence then how come our attack was so pathetic. ah well, onwards and upwards now

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11 Oct 2015 09:40:30
Amidst all the delirium over Klopp arriving, my daughter injured her knee for the second time in a year. After recovering from acl reconstruction and getting back playing it looks like she may have done it again. I'm gutted for her and at 17 it shows how cruel football can be at times. She was on the brink of a move to a women's super league team which has now been shelved. I think this last week could not have been a more stark example of the highs and lows of football. I wondered how yesil was doing as I imagine his situation is the closest to my daughters.

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - He has gotten a few games in Switzerland. I hope you daughter soon fully recovers.}

11 Oct 2015 12:05:01
Well that sucks. Hearing about all these injuries young players get makes me realise how much for granted I take my injury-free playing days. I've never once suffered a long-term injury in football. apart from a broken wrist, but that's a weird story. Hope she recovers soon!

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11 Oct 2015 13:11:41
Blew out my tendon in my left knee four years ago and it still hurts so I know how your daughter feels. She's still young and should make a full recovery. I'm praying for her.

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11 Oct 2015 13:15:01
Who did you play for nick. Semi pro?

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11 Oct 2015 13:30:47
Oh nothing serious man, but it's still easy to get injured when playing park football.

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12 Oct 2015 06:45:41
Tore my ACL at the age of 14, ended any hopes i had of playing because they wouldn't operate until i was old enough that they were confident they could drill through my growth plates without screwing up my development

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11 Oct 2015 07:30:38
Hey Ed 001, I was looking for your opinion on how Can will be played under Klopp, I hope he converts him to 1 of his favoured deep lying defensive midfielders, as he is obviously athletic enough for the position, do you think Klopp can drill into Can better positioning and passing as I think if Can applies himself enough he is a ready made player for this position?

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{Ed001's Note - I think he will end up being more of a box to box midfielder playing alongside a deep lying defensive midfielder personally. I do believe he could learn better positioning and passing, but I would rather work on his basic strengths, rather than trying to convert him completely. It tends to take longer to learn defending anyway, as experience should bring an insight, as you learn which runs to track and how to track them mainly by playing and watching. That is why you often see more attacking players drop deeper as their career moves on, they learn naturally over time how to defend better. Only Klopp can say whether he sees him playing deeper though. If it was me, I would like to see Chirivella given the chance instead, as that is his natural position.}

11 Oct 2015 07:13:50
Moving on after the 'country road' song for Klopp here's another:

To the tune of Torres's "animals went in 2 by 2":

He told us he's the Normal One
Jur-gen Jur-gen
He's going to make us number 1
Again, Jur-gen
He came across from Germany
He's going to help us win the league
Jurgen Klo-opp
Liverpools King of the Kop!

(BOUNCE!)

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11 Oct 2015 09:48:45
You need to lay off the red win Ron.

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11 Oct 2015 12:16:02
No We need more of the red win!

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11 Oct 2015 13:17:15
Why so many disagree. good effort ron!

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11 Oct 2015 06:24:05
Hi eds,

How do you rate the transfer dealings klopp did when he was at dortmund.

Thank you.

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{Ed001's Note - mostly good, some brilliant, but it got more difficult as time went on due to the success raising prices for them.}

11 Oct 2015 06:47:34
Okay cool.

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11 Oct 2015 13:14:15
He has an eye for talent as the players who became world class were not world class when he got them either from the academy or when he signed them for peanuts.

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11 Oct 2015 02:47:06
Lewandowski now linked? Oh puhlease!! I think everybody needs to take a step back for a moment, take a deep breath and to use a colloquialism, 'Cop On'.
The board have just appointed a new manager, and like so many other supporters, I have been enthralled, impressed and inspired by the words and actions of Jurgen Klopp.
But the man is not a hybrid of Shankly Paisley and Jesus.
In a footballing sense, he might even turn out to be, but let's all calm down for a minute.
Liverpool will not sign Lewandowski. Full stop
Give the man time, patience and support.
He might just turn things around. Give him time to try do it his way. Change cannot be implemented overnight. Do not expect instant miracles or miracle signings.
He may end up being the best thing to happen to Liverpool Football Club in a generation.

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11 Oct 2015 06:36:31
I think Klopp said it himself; we need to be talking about the players we have instead of transfers all the time.

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11 Oct 2015 13:14:39
Lazy journalism

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11 Oct 2015 13:28:49
Also the fact the.club has no money to spend

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11 Oct 2015 00:11:03
Ed002, you have spoken before about the disaster of an appointment that was Jen Chang and now Susan Black is seen as somewhat out of her depth. The club should be looking to rebuild their image and reputation, club is in my opinion a step in the right direction (I hope), however are there any plans to move things on? Additionally how do you see the reputation of the club moving forward? We seemed to get deals with fellow clubs concluded quickly over the summer with mostly minimal fuss which was in contrast to previous windows and instances were we offended other clubs.

Just a slightly different topic of conversation and one that interests me!

Thanks Ed.

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{Ed002's Note - A decent question and the club has been doping a real good job to keep the image clean. Gerrard as you know has been doing what he can, with tales of tapping up and deliberately going out to injure a player, to tarnish the club. It has, certainly the former issue, caused some consternation and has resulted in the refusal to respond to a series of (albeit loaded) questions from a particular newspaper. Right now I don't see any reputational issues, the club is doing fine in that respect.}

11 Oct 2015 02:31:56
Who was Jen Chang and what was she responsible for (and why did she fail)?

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{Ed001's Note - Jen Chang was male, he was director of communications or some similar title and made threats to someone that was believed to have leaked information from within the club onto the net.}

11 Oct 2015 06:41:40
Basically, this guy got information from club that he was using it on twitter I think, Chang wanted to meet him to have some sort of pleasant communication, or that was the premise under which he lured the guy to meet him, and then threatened him.

The dude made that public, Chang denied the allegations from the guy who was threatened and said he had never met him, but he was caught by CCTV in some bar meeting the same guy. Chang was fired.

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{Ed001's Note - the guy on twitter also claimed he never got the info from any inside source, but simply made it up.}

11 Oct 2015 09:48:31
Is this gerrard stuff in his book? Sorry if I am being ultra slow but saving reading until I go on holiday in 3 months. lol thanks

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{Ed002's Note - It is in the book and has had publicity in England when they published extracts in one of the papers. It led to another paper putting questions to the club (which remain unanswered) and, as a separate matter, a statement being written by the PFA - which sits on file and was not published. Something the club could do without.}

11 Oct 2015 10:21:25
Thank you very much mate

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11 Oct 2015 13:17:04
Is SG becoming a bitter old man?

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11 Oct 2015 19:13:22
If any of you haven't read Gerrards new book(and his first one actually) then do. In light of BRs recent departure it's quite telling.

That said, El Macca is the best LFC biography IMO

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10 Oct 2015 23:43:42
Question about the committee

From what I understand, BR had the power to veto on a player that the committee recommended as a signing.

If BR presented potential recruits to the committee that he found himself, did the committee equally have the power to veto on what BR wanted? E.g. Brendan says he wants Lallana, committee says, 'no, you can't have him'.

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{Ed002's Note - That isn't how it works - you make it sound like a bunch of bitter school kids.}

11 Oct 2015 02:33:05
I realise that, that's why I'm asking how it did actually work :D

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{Ed002's Note - The manager will have discussed the players he would like to bring in with the transfer committee throughout the season and scouts will bring other names to the table via Barry Hunter and Dave Fallows. These would all be looked at by Michael Edwards and his team and perhaps then a refined list could be considered. When it comes to the financial side and any approaches to other clubs it will be up to Mr Ayre to investigate the availability of players negotiate and subsequently agents and clubs. Mr Gordon will, overall, be responsible for providing input from the perspective of the owners and from an overall standpoint of the club.

Clubs will typically informally ask an agent (a) if the player is going to be available, and (b) would the player consider a move to the club. There may be some broad discussion on the sort of deal that would be offered. If the answer is yes, it is then necessary for the club to approach the player's club to ask if they would be willing to sell and if they would grant permission to speak to a player's agent and possibly even the player about actually making a move. This will typically involve either broadly (through an offer) or actually agreeing a fee and responsibility for any significant costs (agents fees etc.). Once this has happened the club will be able to speak to the player's agent and perhaps the player himself to look at the package that will be involved. Many players are looked at and discussed at a high-level with agents and clubs; a subset of those have an offer placed; a subset of those involve discussions with the player's club; a subset of those involve discussions over terms, and; a subset of those go ahead.}

11 Oct 2015 06:43:13
A bunch of bitter school kids is how I thought they worked Ed002? At least that was what it appeared like from Rodgers' interviews.

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11 Oct 2015 10:24:50
Thanks very much for the detailed reply.

I know my initial understanding painted a picture of school yard pettiness, but when you hear that Rodgers vetoed Remy at the last minute after never really wanting him, you can't help but think that it actually was/is like that.

So in this refined list, there are some players that Rodgers suggested, and some players that the committee suggested- players which ultimately got the approval from Rodgers? Because if so, I still wonder how the hell Rodgers vetoed on Remy at the last minute if he approved him with the committee.

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{Ed002's Note - I really have no interest in getting involved in that. It is simply tiresome.}

11 Oct 2015 11:29:11
all good

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11 Oct 2015 13:22:00
BR's has no credibility anymore on this issue so I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of his mouth when it comes to transfers under his tenure.

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11 Oct 2015 01:09:54
This is a question for the Merseyside locals. was the feeling towards Rodgers in merseyside a bit more patient and positive than the general fanbase world wide? Because nearly every scouser I hear talk on some kind of fan channel or podcast says they were a 'big fan of Rodgers'. Why?!

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11 Oct 2015 05:23:17
Any intelligent liverpool fan would tell you rodgers was out of his depth. The truth is I was losing hope every game that went by. I got to the point were i didn't care how liverpool were doing knowing as long as rodgers was manager, we were going nowhere fast. Now that we have klopp, the dark cloud has been lifted, and we can hope for the future again.

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{Ed001's Note - he was not out of his depth, he was just not working hard enough. He was too busy playing around and tanning to go to youth games and watch opponents. He was not willing to devote himself to the job, but was sure to take all the credit for everyone else's hard work for himself.}

11 Oct 2015 06:45:01
I think Macca said the same sometime ago, that the players were not happy he took all the credit when things were good, but blamed everything else when things were bad.

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11 Oct 2015 07:23:45
I guess you could say that ed. It doesn't surprise me that he didn't watch his opponents and do his homework as we never seemed to have a gameplan from what i'd seen. felt like he just picked a team and frown them on the pitch, and hoped for the best. like people have said, he is tactically inept and wouldn't have a clue anyway. i remember him playing suarez at wingback against arsenal at the emirates and we got tonked. just an example of things to come from a defensive minded team and playing players in the wrong positions we now know today.

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{Ed001's Note - if he had put as much effort into management as he did in his appearance, and still failed, then I would agree he was out of his depth. As it was, he was just not doing enough to be judged on his capabilities. That is why he fully deserved the sack. If you are not willing to give your all, then you don't deserve to be in football management.}

11 Oct 2015 07:54:31
you think he's lazy, i think he's crazy. :D I feel bad for the next club he manages. i don't think he'll ever be a great manager as he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes because he doesn't want to seem like a clueless mananger i think he is, constantly changing things which he did a lot at first at liverpool till he struck gold. I don't think rodgers will ever lose that stubbornous, now that he thinks he's a prima donna

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11 Oct 2015 13:32:41
BR was LFC manager in name only. The man was just interested in holding the position and not actually getting his hands dirty. Takes all the credit when the players play well and win and trashes them when we lose. Good luck to whoever has the misfortune to hire this impostor as a manager

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11 Oct 2015 13:32:52
I watch redmen tv and they say 'oh I'm a massive fan of Rodgers! Great manager!' Graeme Kelly is the same. Sometimes I thought Redmen tv would say that just so they could continue getting VIP media access to players and legends.

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11 Oct 2015 10:31:46
So, ed001, is this the only youth game that Rodgers attended? :D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2540252/Brendan-Rodgers-Kenny-Dalglish-watch-Liverpools-teenage-sensation-Harry-Wilson-inspire-Youth-Cup-win.html

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{Ed001's Note - must be, because there was a lot of unhappiness about his lack of presence at youth games.}

11 Oct 2015 13:39:52
I'm in complete agreement with ed001 here, his arrogance ruined him. Hence why we constantly improved for the first two years, then as soon as he tasted fame and success, it all went to his head - starting with the chelsea game.

Even last november, my barber said he was speaking to anton, his son, while getting his hair cut, and he said he had completely changed. The weight loss, the dieting, the tans, the teeth, the cheating on the club secretary, his property arrangements, constantly going out - it had clearly gone to his head. Tactics never changed, the team never changed, he situation never changed, and i knew it never would so long as he was in charge. He thought he was bigger than the club and that is the cardinal sin - can't really imagine a manager more deserving of the sack if i tried.

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{Ed001's Note - I agree completely on that, it did all go to his head and he became so full of himself, everything good was down to him, according to Brendan. If a player had a good game, he was always quick to take the credit. Shame, but some people just can't handle it.}

 
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