Liverpool Banter Archive September 11 2015

 

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11 Sep 2015 16:15:04
Hey Ed's , pardon me if you have already answer this question before but can u tell me if Liverpool is looking for new manager?

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has a manager, so not at this time.}

12 Sep 2015 11:23:55
could Klinnsman and Laudraup be in contention to replace rodgers?

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12 Sep 2015 19:37:01
Anyone with experience, some idea about tactics and the ability to inspire some confidence would be welcome. And a mouth too small to get both feet in would be a bonus.

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11 Sep 2015 13:42:26
So Gerrard has come out and said that Rodgers should be the next England boss. Anyone still think Stevie needs a coaching role at Liverpool? I'm of the belief it's best legends stay away, look what happened to king Kenny.

It is a nice thought though, Brendan managing somewhere else. anywhere else. But, here's to hoping he gets it right vs the mancs this weekend!

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11 Sep 2015 14:20:26
I personally don't believe a word that comes out og SG's mouth, I know he's advertising his brand spanking reveal all book in the mail for the next few days.
He even admits in articles he contradicts himself,saying he'd love a lesser role at Liverpool,and going into coaching,then says,not being in the first 11 every week would be difficult for a person like him to accept.
I think he's probably angling for a move back to the UK already,he hasn't really endeared himself to the fans out there in the USA.

I would personally take everything any one says when releasing a book,and looking at future income revenues with a hefty pinch of salt.

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11 Sep 2015 14:33:45
I still for the life of me cannot understand why the club did not keep Gerrard on as a player/coach. I know he wanted more playing time but surely the club have persuaded him to stay. YNWA

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{Ed002's Note - His time had come. It should not be that difficult to understand.}

11 Sep 2015 14:47:07
His statement that Brendan Rodgers should be the next England manager proves what I've been saying for many years. Just because someone has played the game it doesn't mean they have the first clue about the game

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11 Sep 2015 15:56:47
I guess I still find it hard to accept but truely hope he will return one day in some capacity, as his knowledge of the club and his experience would be a major asset to LFC. Thanks Ed's YNWA

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11 Sep 2015 18:55:34
Gerrard can't even tactically understand the dm role for petes sake!

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11 Sep 2015 18:57:09
He was immense in his day but his time was up bigtime, and anyone who thinks the salesman is a genius is deluded
Hes trying to use a system that's sell by date has gone, fraud

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11 Sep 2015 20:43:52
Gerrard probably trying to wind up Stirling.

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11 Sep 2015 22:48:32
What would it look like to the other players if our glorious Captain signed a contract as a bit-part player?

It was never going to work!

Kenny was able to get through it by becoming a player manager, but the presence of Steven Gerrard sitting on the bench with a gob on just wasn't going to happen, hence the reason why the club COULDN'T keep him.

Good move for all.

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11 Sep 2015 23:52:51
Gerrard should have gone a season earlier. Nothing to do with the slip - just that his time was up at then.

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12 Sep 2015 01:22:36
Papetwee - hindsight is great, isn't it! He had a great season 2 years ago bar that slip so letting him go when he was still so influential would've been stupid. Please do think before you post trash

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12 Sep 2015 02:01:23
Gerrard also said he felt like Rodgers had given up on the Madrid game before it started and that he that the contract he was eventually offered was nothing like what he had discussed with Rodgers (which sounds like a pretty familiar story) so I'm not really sure what he thinks about him.

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12 Sep 2015 04:26:11
Gerrard was the reason we scored 101 goals two seasons ago. His passing range is the best in the world and on par with Pirlo and Alonso.
The club has struggled to find a player of his passing range since. The midfielders we gave bought or have wouldn't lace his boots.
Apart from passing sideways and to skrtel our midfielders are SCARED to pick a player ahead of them.
You need skill.

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12 Sep 2015 07:40:07
Maybe, just maybe Gerrard believes Rodgers is a great coach. And as for the "playing the game, knowing the game" stuff. I guess a bunch of guys sat around their phones/laptops are in a much better position to critique his coaching. We only see snapshots of his work, and yes on the face of it (match day, transfer and the treatment of youth) it isn't pleasant viewing. But that said, I do think there's definitely an element of mob culture against Rodgers on this board vs other forums I browse. I'm willing to bet his actual methods of coaching and general ability in that area are of the highest order (defending excluded) . Can't help but think he's been criticised for problems at the club, that stem back 25 years. No he hasn't won us a trophy, but God knows how many managers failed to win us the big one in that period.

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12 Sep 2015 09:51:59
rollanfield how do you know who everyone on this page is? Ed001 has made it clear that people who have worked in football in some capacity or another have been and possibly are on this page. Way to add validity to your argument by reducing everyone else to "a bunch of guys sat around their phones/laptops". Analysts are sat around their computers all day as far as I know. Also how do you know there are no women on this site?

On the differences between this forum vs the rest you're probably just unaccustomed to honesty, as what you get on most other forums is the club line. Quite a few are operated by people with a clear conflict of interest and you can tell because they censor anything they do not want discussed. Those go on to become taboo subjects and you end up with deluded fans and a feel good site. I assume that's why a lot of us initially came to this site.

I agree that Rodger's is being blamed for some reoccurring problems at the club, some of which do precede his time as our manager. It could be that they've just become evident to us and we reasonably expect that they would of also become evident to the club, which should of rushed to rectify them.

It's true that none of our managers has won us the PL but Rodgers has had more financial support than any of our previous managers and has absolutely nothing to show for it. Whereas even our latest interim manager allowed us to celebrate winning a cup.

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12 Sep 2015 19:39:56
I'd like him to be England manager as well. Maybe for the reason Stevie would ;-)

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11 Sep 2015 13:02:59
hi edds just read that ayew would of played for free for us to prove him self to play for the team he supports is this true? if so that's nice to see that everyone isn't in it for the money some still do it for the love of there team. and this isn't match of the day sindrome or we missed out on him but surley if someones says they will work for free to prove them selves then its a no brainer because u no your going to get a motivated player. cheers mike

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{Ed002's Note - No he would not have been playing for free.}

11 Sep 2015 13:43:25
A free transfer does not exist.

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11 Sep 2015 10:03:30
Loan update

Allan scored what I think was a debut goal as Seinajoen drew 1-1 with KUPs.

The point keeps Seinajoen top of the league at the half way stage of the season

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11 Sep 2015 11:43:14
Cheers Carra

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11 Sep 2015 22:19:45
Was a corker too.

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12 Sep 2015 04:07:59
Cracker. cheers Carra

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11 Sep 2015 09:46:43
Hi all. just a quick point. Wat has worried me for a long time was Wat would happen if br was to be sacked. ! We had pigeon holed ourselves into a play it out from the back side who only attacked down the middle with slide rule passes. with small technical players. this was plan A with no plan B. hence we could only go for another manager with this style. At least with the signing of beneteke we now have another option of a slightly different playing style and a larger scope when we eventually do need to look for a new manager. ? Any thoughts eds. ?

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{Ed002's Note - Done to death over the summer.}

11 Sep 2015 10:33:24
Not really, We do have some genuine players to play Plan B, Provided if you could ask them to play the way you want to.
If your plan B is using width and pace down the flanks, We have atleast two wide men who could do the job.
Milner and Ibe.

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12 Sep 2015 01:24:32
Miner providing pace down the wings? You sure about that one, Harry?

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12 Sep 2015 05:38:12
Mr Yoxall

That's the only place I have for Milner. Tested and verified at City.if you have two offensive full backs who would constantly overlap with you, Milner could do a job.
He is not in a million years a proper CM to me.

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12 Sep 2015 11:28:13
Miner could definitely do a job down the wings but he won't provide pace, just a hell of a lot of energy. Definitely worth trying, though

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11 Sep 2015 08:53:50
Ed001 if you're about do you think it would be conceivable in the future for the rivalry between United and Liverpool to fickle out? Not sure what it's like locally but I'm back in Ireland now and some people take it as a very big thing nearly wouldn't talk to a opposition fan while some really don't care and can give honest opinions both ways. I just don't see their being enough basis for the rivalry for it to last the ages. That being said as long as the media are involved in football it won't be allowed to die down!

Also only noticed the popular post option on the side! Is this new or am I slightly slow as it's revalutionary for me ha!

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{Ed001's Note - it is one of those things that could die out in time, if we weren't competing against each other for a while. Right now though, with us being rivals for the top four spot, I wouldn't expect it to lessen.

As for the popular posts tab, it has been there months mate. Over a year I am sure.}

11 Sep 2015 09:29:59
I think if either teams keeps playing the P!ss poor football they have been the rivalry will die down quicker than anticipated.

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11 Sep 2015 10:32:01
Okay so I'm obviously very slow! Actually just realized it doesn't come up on my phone only on my tablet so I'm letting myself off the hook a little bit ;) yeah I just don't see it lasting the years most people don't even seem to know why the rivalry exists apart from just being two top sides local enough.
On another note this game really could define a lot this season although I've thought that in nearly every game this season! Like it or not 10 points from our first five games and what would probably be a third place spot is a solid start given the fixtures regardless of how we've played as I still feel with the quality in depth we have performances can only improve!

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11 Sep 2015 11:22:02
obviously there is the football rivalry, in the past both cities had rivalry with regard to industry. can't really say much more but both with industrial powerhouses with work being moved between cities. think one if the oldest railway lines in the uk is between liverpool docks and manchester.

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11 Sep 2015 12:25:59
You get both sets of fans anywhere, some fans hate each other and some get along. I work in Manchester and there's a few of the mancs who won't say a good thing about Liverpool at all when we had Suarez some f the lads at work "didnt rate him he isn't that good".
Some of them can actually talk football though, doesn't mean they rivalry isn't there. I can look at United and no matter how much I dislike them I can see when they have a good player. If you can't see that how do you expect to prepare properly to play them?

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11 Sep 2015 12:36:10
There are various reasons for the rivalry.
For example, there has historically been a long standing difference in the local cultures. Liverpool was a boom town for a few centuries founded on shipping trade and slavery, with an extensive and pretty wild waterfront/docklands culture that only really came to an end in the 60s (and had all of the entertainment and service industries that go with such a culture), and there was a significant irish and welsh population influx, and significant outside cultural influences.
Manchester had the reputation of being a town of pragmatic northeners, working long hard hours in mills and other local heavy industries, and a reputation for being decent, sensible, down to earth working class folks.
When liverpool ruled the first division in the 70s and 80s I don't remember any particular rivalry with utd. Challengers came and went, but everton were an ever ptesent rival.
But it must have been pretty galling for utd supporters who lived not far away to see a local team dominate so much.
When fergie finally turned the tables in the early 90s, lfc fans were understandably going to be upset with the club that ended their long reign whoever that was.
The fact that it was a fairly local club whose fans were in regular contact through local work/family connections probably paved the way for a long standing and genuine local rivalry.
Liverpool and manchester residents have always teased each other about perceived differences in culture and values, but the fact that it was utd who took liverpools crown away- and kept it for so many years- seemed to give a more solid basis to the banter and the rivalries.
As Kevin Keegan so memorably put it a few years ago:
I would love it if we beat them. Love it.

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11 Sep 2015 22:56:58
Anonymush, decent post but you're wrong about the rivalry through the 70's and 80's as it was fierce and typically born out of jealousy.

Many members of my family have numerous stories of interest to tell, and my mates and myself were all brought up through the late seventies and eighties with anti Utd songs (many of them which disgust me).

It's all a little pathetic really, don't you think?

Thing is. it's instilled in me to dislike them so much and I'm very comfortable with it.

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11 Sep 2015 06:48:47
What's everyone's opinion of Steve McManaman as a player and person?

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11 Sep 2015 09:17:50
He seems pretty down to earth as a person when I've read interviews and talked to friends that have met him,they say he always had time for a 5 minute chat etc. Never really came across as one of the ''spice boys'' as in flashy and all about the look. Even though he sometimes gets slated for his punditry I think he's quite knowledgeable.

Watching him was always a pleasure,one of the best pick up and carries I've seen. He was a good winger but where he really excelled for me was playing centrally and free,to pick up the ball from deep and run at the midfield and defense of the opposition, Bale and Ronaldo remind me of him a lot in that role at Spurs and United respectively,players back off constantly till he simply glided past them. He had great ball control running at pace too,he could run at players keeping his eyes on what's happening in front of him rather than on the ball running at 20km/h(which is a very hard thing to do).
Another great quality he had was his give and go,he was constantly on the move and bursting up front to link up with Fowler giving 1,2's ont he edge of the area,it made him hard to man mark,coupled with a good shot and cross,offensively he was a great player for me,and one very underutilised by England.

I honestly never used to pay attention to his defensive work so won't comment there,but in the role he was given I'd say you wouldn't want to shackle a player like that defending corners in your box or holding a midfield line. that's just me though

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11 Sep 2015 12:15:29
Thanks Bob for the response

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11 Sep 2015 12:43:10
Hope others give theirs for you, that's just my personal take. :)

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11 Sep 2015 13:46:53
If you wanna know how good he was, watch Euro `96 and his career at Real. The RM fans still love him till this day. Very good player and seems like a good person.

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11 Sep 2015 16:23:33
Met him several times and he's really down to earth and funny.

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11 Sep 2015 17:02:46
Compared the other muppets on bt sport his punditry is amazing.

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11 Sep 2015 18:25:50
Thanks for the responses I am in my late 30s so saw him play lots. He just doesn't seem to be mentioned an awful lot compared to Fowler for instance. Did he run his contract down and leave to Real on a free I seem to recall? Didn't know if that affected his relationship with the fans?

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11 Sep 2015 19:21:55
IIRC, the club started negotiating a new contract when he still had 2 years left. After getting nowhere for a while (McManaman said he was just not in a hurry to sign and had plenty of time left to negotiate) the club accepted a bid from Barcelona which fell apart, and there was a sense that the club were touting him around Europe for a while to get money for him.

But then a later bid, I think from Inter was rejected and McManaman was made captain at the start of 98-99 - remember Ince was still in the first team at the time and was effectively demoted to make Macca captain, not something which happens to often - to try and placate him.

He did ultimately run down his contract and signed a pre-contract agreement with Real with 6 months to go. Whether it was down to money or down to the fact that we didn't look like winning anything in the late 90s, only he knows.

As a player he was excellent and gets overlooked when people talk about the best players of the Premier League era. He's definitely one of them.

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11 Sep 2015 19:26:41
Actually Ed001, if you're here on this subject. Did the club ever try to bring Macca back when Madrid were prepared to let him go after they signed Figo?

Or was Houllier too busy picking out players based on their physique?

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{Ed001's Note - I think it was more that his wages were too high and the club felt betrayed by the way he left in the first place.}

11 Sep 2015 02:03:54
Ed001 good podcast great finish. Is medicinal marijuana legal in the UK?

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{Ed001's Note - erm, I have no idea, why?}

11 Sep 2015 06:34:14
Last time I remember having a laughing fit like that I was in high school smoking a bit of the ole' devils lettuce myself. I understand if you have to take your mind down a notch to get on Benny's level!

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{Ed001's Note - ah ok, no mate, I just did what those in showbusiness call 'corpsing'. Just lost it over nothing. It is when you laugh at benny's jokes you know you have to be high.}

11 Sep 2015 15:07:09
Haha good stuff. Had to look up corpsing but in all serious great job on the podcasts to both of you they break up my work day nicely.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate glad you enjoy them.}

11 Sep 2015 02:56:40
Below is a video of Allan Rodrigues de Souza's debut goal for SJK. He scored the first goal.

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11 Sep 2015 07:26:52
Cracking finish. Left footer, let's hope he is the next Silva

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11 Sep 2015 10:34:04
Know nothing of him at all but quality finish! Thought he was a defensive minded midfielder? Could be very wrong looking at that!

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11 Sep 2015 13:48:10
Quality strike!

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11 Sep 2015 20:13:23
good finnish

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