Liverpool Banter Archive September 11 2016

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11 Sep 2016 22:27:45
Eds or anyone know why there are no red nets anymore?

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12 Sep 2016 00:09:45
Think it's something to do with the new stand. New start and all that.

12 Sep 2016 00:41:07
Read somewhere the players liked white better as it was easier to see with the red blending into the crowd a bit. No idea if that's true though.

12 Sep 2016 00:54:59
How could someone disagree that question 😂.

12 Sep 2016 03:24:03
Apparently when you live under a bridge only the dislike button is available.

12 Sep 2016 06:46:38
Both very plausible explanations Mikey and RDL.

11 Sep 2016 21:40:58
Opinions. Does anyone else think, Sturridge, Firmino, Mane, Coutinho and lallana will get into double figures this season, Also origi if he plays enough. That's six genuine goal threats we have, Plus hopefully matip and karius can severely reduce the number that go against us, I think if we can be within five points of the top spot by January and buy a good left back also having no European football we could have another very exciting season only this time no naivety from Rodgers or an aspas corner to cost us the chance.

Eds/ Reds opinions?

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11 Sep 2016 22:52:45
Why not? Couts, Lallana, Mane and Firmino have scored two each in four games. And with Studge's and Firmino's ability to finish and assist along with Origi's pace and power to come, we have that ability.

11 Sep 2016 23:34:12
Some of are players are underrated by other teams are squad is not bad as people make out to be . With the attacking options I can see us being up there . Bck to the post ahead Klopp has fixes that we now don't relay on Sturridge for goals.

12 Sep 2016 06:32:13
Mané Sturridge and Firmino will get 20 each, Origi Coutinho and Wijnaldum will all get double figures.

12 Sep 2016 07:00:44
lallana should be aiming for double figures as well imo, ron.

11 Sep 2016 21:28:26
Some Italian guy tearing it up in ligue 1. Should sign him up.

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11 Sep 2016 22:57:02
Already saw that movie. Not interested in seeing the sequel, thank you.

12 Sep 2016 02:08:11
Playing fast and loose with the phrase 'tearing it up'

12 Sep 2016 06:37:05
Liverpool will buy him back for 30 mil. Its the in thing now to release players on cheap and buy them back later at ridiculous high price to show off the club belong to elite spenders.

12 Sep 2016 07:17:34
Erm, Leek I'm just looking through our squad and I don't see any ex players we've bought back for £30m.

12 Sep 2016 07:29:28
Lil magician. . its sarcasm. . jeez! Think Pogba and you may get it! Lol.

13 Sep 2016 20:12:07
By the looks of it no-one got it.

11 Sep 2016 20:02:23
Eds reds lots of conxern about the defence- left side in particular. Throw something out there- van dyke- yes ibknow saints player but its one of the clubs he's been at so what- lots of people saying he's class I agree- views?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't agree, he is quick and strong and has plenty of ability but he is lazy and goes walkabout on a regular basis. He made one forward run against Arsenal that took him 20 minutes to get back from. If he would keep his brain switched on he could be good, but he spends half the match asleep and constantly has to make unnecessary challenges to make up for his doziness.}

11 Sep 2016 22:54:03
Ok ed thanks.

11 Sep 2016 22:58:34
Ouch!

11 Sep 2016 19:49:58
Am feeling that belief in Klopp's approach is justified today. I feel Chelski will offer a stern test though. Bring it on!
Pleased to see Lallana and Milner do well yesterday, paying back the trust Klopp has shown in them.

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11 Sep 2016 22:58:16
I agree Chelsea will prove to be a real test not only because they're well organised with some real quality going forward but because of the antics they employ. Watched the game today and the way they deliberately wind players up and go down far too easily is frustrating. Just hope the lads don't allow themselves to loose concentration or get angry cause any sort of descent could result in a sending off. That Costa could be the key to winning or loosing cause he will either get someone sent off or get sent off himself. Hendo and Lucas will have to be mindful that even the slightest contact will result in them hitting the deck and rolling round like they've been hit with a brick.

11 Sep 2016 19:02:27
Top bloke is adam llalana, for wishing Leicester well in their champions league campaign.

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11 Sep 2016 17:53:54
Looking forward to the Chelsea game even though i don't agree with friday night football. I hope Lovern is playing because him and Matip won't take any of Costa's nonsense. Just watching Swansea v Chelsea he is an absolute disgrace and the funny thing is refs let him away with it.

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11 Sep 2016 18:56:42
The referees in this league are inconsistent and far too many are just simply poor. How are Maddley, Mason, Pawson still referring in this league?

11 Sep 2016 19:23:17
I agree AG, just a long list of poor refs over many years. i'm surprised there isn't some sort of recruitment of retired footballers, especially from lower leagues.

11 Sep 2016 23:02:01
I don't blame Costa for him continuing his disgraceful conduct. I blame the refs who aren't man enough to do their jobs and take action against him on the pitch. He will try his cowardly antics especially at home against us. It is up to our CB's to stay calm, remain composed and professional through out and allow our strikers to hit him where it hurts as in, on the score board.

11 Sep 2016 23:50:41
Hi.
Im in favour of Friday night football.

Id prefer if all our games were evening games.

Under the lights at Anfield.

Doesn't come much better.

11 Sep 2016 17:12:42
Thought we were excellent yesterday - still some issues for us and I think Leicester are also a much weaker team this season which helps (no Kante seems a huge void for them to fill) but you cannot complain with a comprehensive 4-1 win.

Mignolet - 4/ 10 - a very poor performance were his distribution once again came under fire. Haphazard in possession, dallies with the ball and critically puts his teammates under pressure. Lucas's mistake was awful but, as alluded to by other posters, was created by a brainless decision from Mignolet.

Milner - 7/ 10 - well fair enough I criticised his inclusion as a left-back a lot, and he still looks positionally vulnerable at times, but he was so much better than Moreno would have been yesterday and certainly adds more solidity. Think he benefited from playing next to Lucas who, despite his mistake, was excellent.

Clyne - 6/ 10 - defensively he seemed to cope with what was thrown at him. Offensively he just gives the ball away far too much - good positions are thrown away either through poor passing, poor positional sense or poor technique. Still unconvincing at right-back for me.

Lucas - 7/ 10 - glaring error for their goal that, on a different day, could have proven significant. As it was it mattered little as we played very well - he reads the game exceptionally well, wins a surprising amount of aerial duels given his stature and, all in all, thought he marshalled the defence well.

Matip - 8/ 10 - very impressive. Cool, calm, composed and gave Leicester little with which to work with. He certainly looks to have improved the first team and hopefully he continues his excellent start to his career with us.

Henderson - 7/ 10 - understated but quietly efficient and really ran the entire midfield. As usual he was everywhere but he seemed to appear a bit more advanced in this game and it benefited both his play and the teams. He's a huge player for us with so much quality, I hope he isn't hamstrung by being played as a DM, he has so much more to offer.

Wijnaldum - 5/ 10 - Not very convincing for me. Every game he's played for us this season see's him on the periphery. He seems to do little of significance in either attack or defence and that is a concern when we have others players who could contribute more. Early days yet but, as when we first signed him, I fear he is not good enough,

Lallana - 7/ 10 - I thought the directness of his passing and in particular the speed of it was noticeable today. Far more one-touch passing, far more direct, give-and-go style football and far less slowed down, mazy dribbles. He still did it but it was less frequent and pronounced. Fair play for his goal as well - it was a beaut.

Firmino - 9/ 10 - Superb. He was a nightmare for their defence - constant movement, constant passing and moving and giving and going, and a goal threat. He was excellent and linked our attack well - I really like him working on the left-hand side he seems to link up better and isn't as burdened by being the focal point of attack - definitely see him at his best in this position.

Mane - 8/ 10 - He's been excellent. Full of energy, full of running, direct and scares defenders to death. He worried Leicester yesterday and his threatening pace opened them up on more than one occasion. He faded in the 2nd half and was eventually substituted but he has bags of talent and provides something our attack had been lacking. He feels like we have finally replaced that directness and pace which we lost when Sterling was sold.

Sturridge - 8/ 10 - he didn't get a goal, and he probably should have had at least 2, but he was excellent. Linked up well with both Mane and Firmino, provides so much more in terms of attacking intent in the centre and his movement is 1st class. That pass for Mane's goal was also very silky and I think we see the best of him up front - I hope Klopp keeps Firmino and Sturridge in the positions he used in this game, it is very, very effective.

Subs:

Coutinho - 6/ 10 - had some lively touches and movements but did not really contribute a ton to the game.

Stewart - 6/ 10 - came on and looked solid, linked up nicely and didn't do much wrong. A strong squad member I'd like to see starting in the DM role much more.

Can't remember if there was another sub.

Overall: Very pleasing. We were unplayable at times and, with an attacking trio of Mane, Sturridge and Firmino there are many goals in this team. There are some worries with defence and midfield though. The sooner Karius is starting games I think the better for everyone. Milner is doing well but of course, this early into his new position, the jury is still out. Wijnaldum still hasn't convinced in any way and looks a weak spot in that midfield. He contributed more yesterday than in previous games but, for me, its still hard to shake that feeling that we have other personnel who'd simply provide more. Overall though delighted, was a good match to watch and pleasing to see us play such attractive football - let's hope all the games are like this at the revamped Anfield.

p. s. The new camera angle, due to the new stand, was a little weird to get used to at first. As the game went on I enjoyed it more and more - really gives a more complete picture of the action on and off the ball - Lallana's goal also looked especially nice when it sailed in.

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11 Sep 2016 19:00:40
Perhaps harsh on Mignolet, forgetting the crucial stop he made on Vardy to prevent 3-2 and a very nervy final 30 minutes. Yes a mistake, but it technically shouldn't have stood as a goal, and was more than compounded by Lucas, who recovered with an excellent game.

Wijnaldum provided an assist for the important 3rd goal which i would call an attacking contribution.

I also thought Lallana was excellent and if it wasn't for the final goal that gave Firmino a brace and Mane an assist to add to his finish, Lallana would comfortably have been MOTM for me.

11 Sep 2016 19:00:54
I disagree with you on Mignolet, where you clearly show your dislike for him IMO. It was Lucas' mistake and you cannot blame Mignolet for it. Lucas took 3 touches and Okazaki was outside the box when Mignolet passed it to him. I am not a big fan of Mignolet, but honestly, this nit-picking of all his mistakes and the turning of blind eye towards the fan favorites' mistakes are petty and disappointing.

11 Sep 2016 19:14:09
I can't believe some of the negativity towards mignolet sometimes. he had a good game yesterday. Sure he's not the best in the world but at least stop giving him horrible ratings every game when he's not horrible every game.

11 Sep 2016 19:24:01
Here here AG.

11 Sep 2016 20:06:55
Wijnaldum is a passenger. I'm still not sure what his role is
I deteste "assist " debates. A decent pass into lallana.

11 Sep 2016 20:07:05
Mings had nothing to with Lucas mistake. When he gave him the ball Lucas had no opposition player near him and he could give the ball to Milner behind him. Not everything is Mings fault.

11 Sep 2016 21:05:37
During the match Howard Webb mentioned the exact opposite in that the goal should have been disallowed because of the fact that Okazaki actually was already in the box. Fair enough it wasn't Mignolet's worst match, but his decision making was still erratic and imho stating otherwise is just trying to make a son's ear out of a purse.

11 Sep 2016 22:09:57
Have to agree no mention of the great save migs made from vardy or the 3 great clearing punches he made I'm not his biggest fan but credit were it's due still a few dodgy passes out that were misplaced but overall I'd give 6/ 10 no way a 4.

{Ed001's Note - great clearing punches? Not one was great or good as all 3 should have been catches! When did people accept punches as a good thing, when they are ridiculous?}

11 Sep 2016 22:56:12
Well said AG, Lucas made the mistake not Migs.

11 Sep 2016 23:29:31
Agree with your review in the main but wijnaldum was very significant in defence and attack yesterday. I think before yesterday's game he did look like a bit of a passenger but the lad made a few important contributions and will hopefully push on from here. Good interesting read though.

11 Sep 2016 23:13:37
He was erratic and indecisive as usual. The save he made vs Vardy was one where he as a GK, should bail us out as that is his job. The bar is not very high for Mingo hence, the most basic things are graded higher than for other gk's. I hope the same standards will be used to judge Karius.

12 Sep 2016 04:27:32
Mignolet dithered on the ball a number of times yesterday and put him teammates under the gun a number of times with his bizarre decision making. Lucas was at fault for their goal but Mignolet was also complicit. He simply does not know when to pass it and when to hoof it and it makes life difficult for the defence. This is one of many consistent faults in his game that shows no signs of improvement. He did not play very well and was, in my opinion, our worst player on the pitch yesterday for the 90 minutes - tell me who played worse if you disagree so much.

12 Sep 2016 05:22:33
Agree with Ed when it first started happening my dad would laugh at people punching crosses now no one bats an eye. Also are people talking about that Vardy breakaway that was right at Mignolet being the good save? I didn't see the replay but my initial reaction was standard save.

12 Sep 2016 06:35:49
Too harsh on Migs and Wijnaldum but, I guess, as nominated scape goats they will never score more than 5/ 10. 🙄.

12 Sep 2016 06:48:50
What did Mignolet do to deserve a score of more than 5/ 10 Ron? And Wijnaldum, except for assisting Lallana, what else did he actually contribute to the game? Or should we just pretend everyone was amazing? Tell me Ron who was worse than either Mignolet or Wijnaldum yesterday?

12 Sep 2016 11:45:34
Disagree with most of that post to be honest. I think because we watch and support a team we can be so hypercrytical of every performance at times. Let's be happy that we spanked the current champions 4-1 (and could've been more) and take that into the next game. If we had the same interest in City, Chelsea, Utd etc. we could all pick holes in their players performances too. A great result, great performance and all bodes well for the future.

11 Sep 2016 17:07:08
I can see everyone singing Lallanas praises.
Can someone explain to me what was so good about his performance? I'm not having a go but I was watching him quite carefully most of the match as I wanted to see how he's adapting and I didn't see anything too special to be honest, he seemed to lose possession a lot and slow down play taking too many touches.
His goal was really good I noticed that bit like but what else did he do that was so special?

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11 Sep 2016 19:13:19
Hi Mikey,
I thought he won the ball repeatedly in all areas of the pitch,
kept it well in some tight spots,
always showed for the ball, passed it on quickly and usually very neatly,
never stopped running, scored a belter,
what more are you looking for?

Yes all our forwards were excellent yesterday but i don't think the game would have been the same without him on the pitch.

11 Sep 2016 19:15:34
Made a lot of gut busting runs, both into our box and leicesters. Covered a lot of ground. Didn't dwell on the ball too long (couple exceptions still) . Clever link up play. And hit a hell of a goal.

11 Sep 2016 19:22:07
Apart from the goal I meant.
Everytime I saw him he was dithering.
I still think he has it in him to be a top player, just needs to keep it up with goals and be quicker with the ball.

11 Sep 2016 20:07:45
Lallana had a decent game. Played and passed a lot quicker than his normal self which was an improvement and scored a great goal .

11 Sep 2016 23:16:15
It was a slight improvement on his usual insipid performances. However, more consistent performances are needed before we can all say that he's turned a corner. Yesterday was a decent start on that path, IMO.

11 Sep 2016 23:41:04
Im not Llalanas biggest fan but that was definitely one of his better performances. Another player who looks to be steadily improving under Klopp and co.

12 Sep 2016 04:29:12
His passing was much slicker yesterday and there was a lot more one-touch passing from Lallana too. It was just, in general, much quicker and incisive and it made a difference to both Lallana's game and our teams game as a whole. He did linger on the ball too long at times as well but to a far lesser degree than he had been.

12 Sep 2016 11:47:43
Got to call you out on that one Mikey I'm afraid. Lallana was excellent yesterday, gave them absolute hell all game.

11 Sep 2016 16:54:17
Is Karius set to be the No1 does anyone know? When he was bought i thought he was "competition" for migs, i can't say i know much about him but i reckon my 11yr old keeper would instill more confidence in the back 4 than migs does.

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11 Sep 2016 19:01:48
Karius should take over from Mignolet once he is fit. Perhaps the game against Derby is where he will start.

11 Sep 2016 23:17:33
I think so, too AG. Mingo has shown on a very consistent basis that he's not good enough and quit frankly, a very poor GK.

11 Sep 2016 16:40:16
Chelsea will be hard to beat. One signing and what a difference it has made to Theo team. Kante will block everything thrown at him. Absolutely beast. Reminds me of Souness except goals.

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11 Sep 2016 18:42:35
Very strange to compare Kante to Souness for me.

11 Sep 2016 19:02:37
He is a very good player but he is not a messiah. Chelsea has a team of strong players and we certainly should not be concentrating just on Kante.

11 Sep 2016 19:45:48
Couldn't stop a pretty average Swansea side though could he.

11 Sep 2016 21:01:35
I'd compare Kante to a prime Mascherano.

11 Sep 2016 21:27:32
Regardless of the result today, IMO, Chelsea will be our toughest test yet.

11 Sep 2016 22:02:00
lets not worry about Chelsea, let them worry about us.

11 Sep 2016 23:18:34
Kante is way better than Mascherano.

12 Sep 2016 06:40:43
Reminds me of Souness without the goals, the dribbling, the unerring passes, the forward runs, the net busting shots and the leadership on the pitch.
Other than that, a carbon copy 😄.

{Ed001's Note - by the sounds of it, all he needs is the tash to be him then.....}

11 Sep 2016 16:03:12
Edd001 do you see karius playing against Chelsea and back into the starting 11 mate?

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{Ed001's Note - I would think the knock is the perfect excuse, but it is a big game to throw him in.}

11 Sep 2016 16:34:00
Personally i don't Mingolet will be dropped any time soon. We shall see i guess.

11 Sep 2016 23:19:41
Yes, he wil be dropped, Rover. Only a matter of time, prolly for the Derby game.

11 Sep 2016 15:47:29
Surely for the Chelsea game we can't drop any of the front three so either Coutinho remains on the bench or he replaces Wijinaldum in the midfield role. Personally I would do the latter. Thoughts?

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11 Sep 2016 15:50:33
Sturridge will get dropped probably.

11 Sep 2016 15:52:38
Wijnaldum does a lot of unselfish self and the way we press I can see the same time again. Coutinho one of are best player on his day but I think players like can coutinho needs to earn there spot in the team.

11 Sep 2016 15:57:38
can or lucas comes in for Wijnaldum to partner henderson, coutinho in for lallana possibly but lallana did have a good game and klopp clearly likes the lad. But I would want lucas or can in to help henderson.

11 Sep 2016 16:53:51
Dont change the winning team.

11 Sep 2016 17:18:47
Just run rings around the champions and you want to break up the team / momentum? Wtf.

11 Sep 2016 19:04:32
Coutinho and Lallana ahead of Henderson? That would give even more control to Chelsea in the midfield. I suspect Sturridge will be dropped as Klopp likes Firmino up top against top teams and in away matches.

If Lovren is fit, I would drop Wijnaldum and bring him into the team and start Coutinho from the bench personally.

11 Sep 2016 20:09:24
The real ag. Lucas in to play alongside henderson, coutinho just ahead then mane, sturridge and firminho. Can't see it though. Wijnaldum and lallana will likely play.

11 Sep 2016 21:31:03
For once I'm with you L8.

11 Sep 2016 23:20:26
The same team will start, IMO.

11 Sep 2016 14:34:29
Do managers tell youth team managers to get the young lads to play the way the manager wants or do the youth team managers choose the style?

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11 Sep 2016 15:08:52
Wasn't that the way the club always did it? The reserve's played the same way as the 1st team so if there was a injury whoever was called up knew the system.

11 Sep 2016 15:32:53
I understand most clubs will have the same system from first team down.

11 Sep 2016 19:16:59
Rozz, i think I remember reading recently that the u23s and the next level down use a similar system and training style to the first team, but below that the kids are not required to follow that format as they are still learning the basics.

11 Sep 2016 14:22:31
Ed, my favourite football book is Brilliant Orange about Dutch football. What would you recommend as I'm looking for something new to read.

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{Ed001's Note - I will have to recommend Steven Gerrard, Michael Owen and .... Me as I know the author. He is still involved at Liverpool and it is an interesting insight into the academy days for a player that doesn't make it. Also the Geoff Twentyman book, scouting diaries or something like that, is well worth a read for any Liverpool fan.

If you want a book away from football, I recommend 'A Mirror Caught The Sun' by John Martin, not just because he is my uncle, but also because it was partially the basis for the new film 'Anthropoid' (which he was historical advisor to and had a small part in).}

11 Sep 2016 15:56:46
Calcio A history of Italian football was a good read mate. Bit long winded in some parts but I found it really interesting.

11 Sep 2016 18:13:27
Among the Thugs is amazing. Great account of hooliganism in the 80s.

11 Sep 2016 19:21:48
My Father And Other Working Class Football Heroes. by Gary Imlach. gives you a sense of perspective.

11 Sep 2016 23:24:29
One of Pele's books is one that focuses on not just his football career, but how the game itself transformed his country, his life and its impact on world society, social and economic justice. His personal stories and anecdotes are quite emotional.

11 Sep 2016 13:54:02
Question for ED01 if he is about, or others to comment on. I remember when Dalglish was managing the team (late 80s), he would quite often deploy full backs in midfield roles. For example there might be a back 4 of Hansen, Hysen, Burrows and Staunton, yet Nicol would be in midfield. Other games might see Burrows in midfield. With there being a lot of comments over square pegs in round holes during recent seasons (ie Can and Milner), I was wondering if similar concerns were raised back then? From memory I always recalled Nicol and particularly Burrows as full backs. Did we actively recruit players who were 'utility men', or was it a tactical ploy to ensure suitable defence coverage was available with, say, Nicol able to cover if Venison or whoever was caught out of position? Funny how back then it was full backs pushed into midfield where today's trend seems to be to push midfielders into defensive roles. Just thought it was an interesting comparison, although appreciate you might all think I am talking tosh. Love to you all.

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{Ed001's Note - Nicol played midfield a lot, but there were a lot of concerns over Dalglish's management towards the end of his tenure. That was because people could see the strain of Hillsborough had affected him. We were winning, no one really thought about the rest. I seem to remember him wanting more defensive cover, to free up the likes of Peter Beardsley and John Barnes.}

11 Sep 2016 18:16:49
Steve Nicol was not a square peg in round hole wherever he played, could play anywhere.

11 Sep 2016 19:26:49
I agree, Nicol was very versatile and if it had been him alone there would be no question. But when other full backs were also deployed in midfield roles, despite winning, I was wondering if folk at the time had the similar thoughts that are evident today. I personally always wanted to see Barnes, Beardsley and Houghton line up along with McMahon and Whelan so was always slightly disappointed personally when we would line up with 6 defenders on the pitch. Seems like today we go in with 6 or 7 midfielders.

11 Sep 2016 12:35:00
Big Well Done to Mauricio Pellegrini ex Liverpool player who not only got Alaves promotion last year to La Liga but also beat Barcelona last night 2-1 at the Nou Camp .

Well Done.

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11 Sep 2016 16:07:18
Congrats indeed, but he didn't actually manage them in the second division, having been appointed on 26 June 2016.

11 Sep 2016 11:27:21
I have to say for me Sturridge played well yesterday. He linked up well and even made an important defensive interception in midfield. He looks a bit of the pace but he will get there. He should of scored but he will soon be scoring for fun.

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11 Sep 2016 12:27:05
Sturridges movement yesterday was top class. Sturridge mane and firminho were magnificent.

11 Sep 2016 13:06:23
Great team performance yesterday and well deserved victory. Everyone played well. Even Danny Sturridge put a good shift in and is looking stronger.
But when our lads on the pitch are giving their all and thrilling us with some great football. it's really annoying when a few fans start up the ridiculous Steve Gerrard song! It's cringeworthy and embarrassing.
Much better to shout for the lads on the pitch, and our current Captain, who played really well yesterday.
I for one would much rather hear . Hendo, Hendo being shouted out than have to cringe at the other one.

11 Sep 2016 13:18:36
Henderson had a good game but his composure in front of goal is terrible.

11 Sep 2016 13:33:10
Liver-la

How many of our boys have songs though? I was at a Watford game the other day and every player had a song even the new boys

I don't understand the mentality that you have to earn a song at Liverpool.

Maybe fans wouldn't have to sing the Gerrard song or cheer on Klopp if we had songs to sing

Funnily enough my son suggested we loan all our players to Warford so we can get a song for our players.

11 Sep 2016 13:48:08
It's a fallicy that you have to earn songs at Liverpool. We just have enough songs that unless it's easy to make a song out of someones name we just tend not to bother unless they are mega-stars that demand it. Sturridge? Not easy to fit that into a song!

11 Sep 2016 14:00:01
g1dgo

You're right about not having songs for most of the players, but nothing stopping the fans just chanting their names now and again.
I'm sure it gives the players a real lift just to hear their names being called out by the fans.

11 Sep 2016 21:12:34
Shako! Shako!

11 Sep 2016 10:53:27
All this talk about the goal conceded, but not one word or positive comment regarding Milners performance yesterday. A lot of people have been putting him down since he joined the club but the guy didn't put a foot wrong yesterday and hopefully that continues, as for the goal,
I 100% agree with with Ed001 it was Ming's cock up but in fairness to Ming's he wasn't too bad either, my only personal disappointment was sturridge and his finishing he seems a half yard still off the pace of the game he's passing and movement was good but still lacking, not sure what's wrong with him to be honest. Anyway good performance yesterday overall just wish sturridge would pick it up another gear and Lallana to take one less touch on the ball as he was caught a few times yesterday and lost possession in good areas .

More work to be done but a good result and hopefully these results keep coming over the season home and away.

YNWA.

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11 Sep 2016 11:18:39
There where a few comments about milners good performance on here yesterday.
I thought Sturidge had a great game myself, could/ should have got a goal yeah but they where good saves as well, I just thought his movement and passing allowed Firmino and Mane to be as effective as they where resulting in the win.

11 Sep 2016 12:01:52
I don't necessarily agree it was Mingolet's fault. If your centre back is sitting that far back, nearly square with the goal posts then you must be expecting the ball and it must be something they have been told to do, to play it out from the back. It is also something that opposing teams will catch onto easily enough and press high to stop the players doing it. What didn't help Lucas is the 8 yards that Mahrez encroached into the box and putting Lucas under more pressure than he should have been. If a player was 8 yards offside and scored we would be up in arms, Leicesters goal was no different imo.

11 Sep 2016 12:48:46
Fully agree with you Rover. There was a later goal kick and again the two defenders were in exactly the same position either side of the goal almost on the goal line. Mignolet was obviously doing what his trainers have told him to do so i can't blame him for the goal. Mahrez's encroachment and Lucas's unfortunate control were the reason they scored.

{Ed001's Note - go and watch it again, the defenders split on every goal kick before that, then, as Leicester were setting up to press them, Migs waited until they ran forward. What is with everyone defending him? Yes Lucas messed up, but the initial error was Mignolet's.}

11 Sep 2016 12:55:31
Mignolet's pass was incredibly weak. By the time it got out of the box for Lucas to touch it, Okazaki was charging him down. Lucas has just tried to drag it to the left to go past him but the ball has hit his toe and gone the wrong way.

Both Mignolet and Lucas are as much at fault. Mignolet should not have played such a shocking pass, but Lucas should have reacted to it and just booted it as far as he could and then given Mignolet an ear full. I would also say that when Mignolet saw Lucas was in trouble he should have reacted better to Lucas prodding the ball back in his direction. But he looked shocked it had happened. I mean honestly, how bad do you have to be at reading a situation to not even anticipate Lucas's tackle coming back into the box?

At the end of the day, we are discussing one of only two bad moments in the game (the other being Mignolet getting caught in no mans land for Huth to hit the bar) . Aside from that, the whole team was brilliant. Mignolet kind of made up for his part in their goal when he stopped Vardy at point blank range WITH HIS FEET! I almost passed out at that point.

The movement of Sturridge, Mane and Firmino was just incredible though. I actually don't see how Coutinho gets back in to that front 3 for the next game. Perhaps he drops into midfield, but even Lallana and Wijnaldum had great games yesterday.

I think yesterday was the day that Klopps new system came together. We did not just beat cannon fodder. We beat the current Champions. In fact we embarrassed them. It cannot be overstated how impressive it is to be the first team to thrash Leicester in nearly a year.

11 Sep 2016 13:54:19
it was commented on during the half time discussion on TV that the Leicester goal shouldn't have stood because of the Law 16 rule regarding encroachment into the box (the ball only being in play when it leaves the box) - in reality, are these interpretations ever picked up by the officials?

11 Sep 2016 13:54:53
Just watched it again. Mahrez was 5 yards outside the box and only moved when Migs kicked it to Lucas. Ample time for Leiva to control and dispose it. I appreciate its getting petty to pick apart this incident but I still don't see it being Migs fault. Its well documented that you don't rate him Ed and plenty of posters blame him for all the teams' woes but i think he is just an easy target these days and there's nothing in the replay that convinces me he did anything wrong. Either way probably time to move on.

{Ed001's Note - I am not digging at Migs, it is not about rating him, it was a mistake, no matter where Mahrez was, the simple fact was no one else was expecting the quick pass out. It doesn't matter about anything else, we had control and it was time to take it easy, like he had at every other goal kick. If you don't see an error by the keeper then it is a waste of time talking to you, as it was an error by him.}

11 Sep 2016 16:46:26
Migs intial pass was poor but for anyone to think it was anyone's fault but Lucas is silly. Rule number one as a defender, you don't pass back to the goalie if an opposing player is in or near the box. Lucas should have just put the ball out with no outlet pass available. Then set up for defense. The player himself acknowledged the mistake and actually was able to make light of the situation by pointing out it was his first assist in years.

Not slighting Lucas, because I thought he played well, but it was the type of mistake that continues to haunt Liverpool and will keep them from being serious title contenders until they stop allowing teams back in the game with costly errors.

{Ed001's Note - hmmm the fault was both of theirs as they both got it wrong. To say otherwise is ridiculous. Rule number one as a keeper is to not play your defenders into trouble on the edge of the box. The reason we make these errors is because we have too many players lacking the intelligence needed to see out a game. Not just Migs, though in this case it was him who rushed a goal kick towards the end of the first half when we were dominating. An intelligent player would have known there was no rush and the best thing to do was take your time, as he had done all the previous times he had the ball. To absolve him of blame is ludicrous. He made a major error.

Lucas then made a couple of errors to make things worse, errors that were even worse, but this is compounding the initial error rather than being the only error. You have to fix problems at source if you want to win things. First thing is you need to take your time if you want to control a game while on top. We keep rushing simple things, when there is no rush. I know Migs is trying his best to impress with Karius there, but he is not helping his cause by making basic errors, such as not taking time when he should, playing a weak pass to a player on the edge of the box and flapping at crosses.

Mignolet needs to stop and think. Take a deep breath and look at what happened and improve on it. Oh and learn to bloody catch while he is about it. First off though, he could save us a lot of problems by being calmer and not rushing when we are on top and dominating.}

11 Sep 2016 18:25:26
100% agree on your assement of Migs. I guess my point was knowing how poor Migs is on the ball, Lucas should have just played the safe ball and kicked it out. It's that type of decision making that allows teams to get back in the game when we have been in dominant form. As a team we play that risky ball too often and need to be smarter in our own end. The play had the double effect of allowing the back in the gain and hurting our confidence which on its best day is pretty fragile.

11 Sep 2016 23:31:46
Agree with your assessment as well, Ed. A goalie should be a symbol of calm and composure but that can only happen if he has supreme confidence in his own ability. Mingo has no confidence in his ability which is why he looks and plays scared. He's a complete bag of nerves and that trickles down to the rest of the team.

11 Sep 2016 10:45:43
This what Lucas tweeted yesterday after the game on he's Twitter page

"That's my first assist in ten years! "

Fair play to him.

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11 Sep 2016 12:04:05
Love Lucas. Every time you think he is out the door he keeps coming back and getting back into the team. Top player, top bloke.

11 Sep 2016 13:58:46
That is class!

11 Sep 2016 23:34:07
Not surprised, really. He's a stand up guy and stand up guys take responsibility for things they know they are directly or indirectly at fault for. #Stayclassy, bro!

11 Sep 2016 10:29:31
Am feeling that belief in Klopp's approach is justified today. I feel Chelski will offer a stern test though. Bring it on!
Pleased to see Lallana and Milnervous do well yesterday, paying back the trust Klopp has shown in them.

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11 Sep 2016 13:40:26
Milnervous - quite apt!

11 Sep 2016 10:20:27
LUCAS. Just to reiterate, Lucas didn't make a mistake yesterday . The referee did. Lucas was put under pressure sonner than he should have been causing him to make a (mistake) that probably wouldn't and shouldn't have happened due to the player making an infringement in the box while a goal kick was being taken .
Therefor it was not his fault and other than that he was class.
Admittedly I didn't notice straight away and I was shocked at what I saw but as Rafa ones said facts are facts.

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11 Sep 2016 11:21:56
Still made a mistake himself though, you can't really blame the ref for that, he had enough time, big mistake by migs and Lucas.

11 Sep 2016 11:37:45
It was his mistake no matter how you cake it up. The players didn't know that, and a yard wouldn't have made that much of a difference. I understand you're sticking up for Lucas, but he made the error after mignolet put him in that situation. If the players protested then you could say it wasn't really his fault because they put the rules forward but they didn't and he made the mistake. It doesn't matter anymore, not sure why you and others keep mentioning it, we won the bloody match, move on!

11 Sep 2016 11:41:42
He made one mistake and dozens of excellent contributions to a great team performance.

11 Sep 2016 12:58:25
I am fairly sure the rule is that you cannot touch the ball until it has left the box. There are no rules against running through the box to get to the ball as far as I am aware. You just have to wait until it crosses that line to touch it.

11 Sep 2016 13:49:54
I think the rule is that you can not enter the box until the ball has cleared the line. It's all irrelevant now anyway, and will be one of a thousand taljed about incidents that officials have missed or got wrong etc. We had two very poor offside calls made against us also. Unfortunately, these things happen. Just glad it didn't cost us the game.

11 Sep 2016 13:50:14
Lucas made a mistake. I love him but he made an error that we did well to not let affect us too much. Other people might have as well but Lucas made an error. Deal with it.

11 Sep 2016 13:57:35
Law 16
Procedure

The ball must be stationary and is kicked from any point within the goal area by a player of the defending team
The ball is in play when it leaves the penalty area
Opponents must be outside the penalty area until the ball is in play.

11 Sep 2016 09:14:39
Would like to highlight hendo's performance yesterday. Others will grab the headlines, quite rightly, but Hendo was brilliantly efficient infront of our defense and stopped a huge amount of pressure reaching the defenders with clever screening runs blocking. He may not get stats for it (tackles, blocking etc) as it's unselfish work but he made sure Leicester had no options going forward that undid them many times.

And even better, the 2nd and 4th goals were both directly made by his brilliant balls from deep, reading players runs and putting it right to their feet. He won't get any assists for them but he was definitely the one responsible for making them both.

Well done Captain Jordan, a great performance at home in front of the new stand to answer your harsher critics. Still skied a good chance and needs to work on that but he definitely showed he's a quality player last night.

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11 Sep 2016 10:15:35
one of his best displays so far, nice to see him being vocal as well, just needs to be calmer in front of goal, he did the armband proud.

11 Sep 2016 11:39:55
He was putting performances like that on the regular before his injury so it's no suprise. Hendo feeds off confidence so he just needs to keep playing well and he will just keep getting better.

11 Sep 2016 12:24:46
We have missed those long range cross field balls from hendo. And firmino's first touch was class yesterday.

11 Sep 2016 22:30:49
I thought Henderson was pretty awful in the deeper role and was frustrated as hell watching him. He seems utterly unable to receive the ball and turn in one movement. This was a key cause of our inability to play the ball out from the back. He picks up poor positions to receive the ball and this puts pressure on all our defensive players. Lovely pass from deep for the first goal, but for sure it's the simple defensive things that he's bad at.

He has poor positional sense there and poor anticipation. No idea when to sit or press, or what positions to take up. Leaves us wide open at times. He is our weakest link in that role. Disrupts the flow. The game was 'touch and go' with him there. Panicked and manic.

This is like Gerrard all over again. He plays a nice pass for the first goal and seemingly he was great.

I used to say about Gerrard that if Rodgers kept playing him in DM, we would be a disaster. When Suarez left and we couldn't score 3-4 goals a game, that became obvious. That wasn't a popular opinion, but it turned out to be very true. And for all the same reasons. I'll say the same about Hendo, they share the same deficiencies in DM.

I don't think Hendo is a bad player though. Not at all. Just playing out of position. When Stewart came on to play DM, Hendo was much better. Looked better in those 15-20 mins than in the rest of the game. More influential and positive with his passing and advancing with the ball - making good runs (shame about the finish) and having freedom to press the opposition in higher areas, where he doesn't get exposed as easily with someone covering for him. Nice pass again for the fourth goal too.

That's the real Henderson imo. No surprise we were much better after the tactical switch. He had a 7/ 10 day for me. But largely because of what he did when playing further forward, where he looks a quality footballer. 6/ 10 max for what he did at DM.

I don't doubt he can play quality passes, but that's part of the reason why he's wasted at DM. Compared to great players that play the position, he's pretty terrible. We're starved for options there however, so fair play to him for giving it his best shot.

Hendo should be competing with Wijnaldum for the LCM position. It's where he has always played his best football, like the season we came 2nd - He was brilliant there. I hope the penny drops with Klopp regarding this. Perhaps it already has?

Stewart was very good in his cameo, which is encouraging.

11 Sep 2016 08:56:27
Well happy with the display yesterday! Didn't even know Lucas and Vardy were friends. Gino a player for me!
Finally looks like we may have replaced Suarez.
Mane is only about 3 pages away 😊 Klopp training the fans also.

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10 Sep 2016 18:08:44
Wow. Lucas. Wow.

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11 Sep 2016 09:23:17
Just a very unlucky break for Lucas. Doesn't effect how good I thought the rest of the match was for him - got no problems with him in that role but needs the big fella next to him to win balls in the air. Great performance yesterday other than the 'own goal' slip.

11 Sep 2016 09:32:18
Wow what a great loyal player we've had. Couldn't agree more.

11 Sep 2016 10:32:27
Wow, Lucas indeed. Produced a top performance for 98% of the game after a long spell out of the first team. Actually looks a proper centreback.

11 Sep 2016 10:37:51
Save for a moment of madness thought Lucas did well. Won a fair few headers and made some timely interventions. Saw Sky gave him 4/ 10 which I think was hugely unfair considering the other 94 mins of his performance! Also thought it was great that the fans sang his song straight after their goal!

On another note my son finally saw goals at Anfield at the 5th attempt . Thanks Jurgen!

Cracking performance!

11 Sep 2016 22:41:16
Agree totally ND that Lucas was quality (mistake aside, obviously) . I love the guy.

But I just have to say that Lucas is excellent in the air, and he was excellent in the air yesterday - he won everything. He even beat the giant Huth to headers (even when Huth was elbowing him in the head) . He is a warrior.

Watch the match again and see how many times Lucas won aerial duels and headed the ball clear. Its not as if the BT commentators were bright enough to notice this though, if his name was John Terry they'd be fawning all over him. He is always commanding in the air. I guarantee you'll notice it more from now on.

His only weakness at CD is a lack of pace, but his positioning kept Vardy under wraps. Vardy was really frustrated when he finally got a run at Lucas and the mighty Brazilian shepherded the ball to safety winning a throw in in the process. I enjoyed that. Great stuff.

Glad to see the Lucas love.

10 Sep 2016 18:05:59
I must say, the new stand looks awesome. Even better with a 2 - nil lead!

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11 Sep 2016 05:18:10
The best part of having Klopp as a manager, is if we down before half time, I feel confident that after half time, we will get back into the game (Arsenal, Dortmund, and Leicester yesterday (although we were not down in goals, we needed an up lift) .
It shows how he can motivate the players.

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11 Sep 2016 08:14:33
Completely agree, Andy. I don't remember that kind of mentality in the Hodgson/ Rogers years. Weve been missing a bit of grit and spirit in the side for a while and Klopp seems to be instilling that belief and determination.

11 Sep 2016 08:27:12
I loved how matip showed real leadership after the mistake, love thatin a player u concede a goal get your head up because we all make mistakes . great game reds we move on to the next.

11 Sep 2016 04:41:12
Good thing Kante wasn't around today. But we'll need an answer to his question come Friday.

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11 Sep 2016 09:57:35
It will be him that needs to answer our questions mate.

11 Sep 2016 02:38:30
In regards to the Jurgen Klopp thing, yes it might be considered a strange thing that he doesn't want the crowd to sing his name during games but it could also be considered humble, he wants the praise to go to his players. Another way of looking at it is what good will it do the team to have Klopp's name sung? Perhaps he feel the extra motivation would do more good to the players as it would help them raise their game. We were 4-1 up but Klopp always demands more from his players.

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11 Sep 2016 07:23:44
It's not what he said. He simply believes that it is currently bad luck because every time the supporters start to sing his name the other team (his opinionnot mine) go up the other end and score.

11 Sep 2016 07:39:23
Of course you could also be right because what you suggest can be construed from what he said:
"I have to say, because I don't know how else I can say this, please don't sing my name before the game is decided! Immediately when the Kop started signing 'Jurgen Klopp la la la' they were clear on Simon Mignolet. It's like celebrating a penalty before you have scored! I don't play! It's nice, I like all the players, but please don't sing my name before the game is decided. It was the same against Arsenal. It's nice, but it's not necessary. It would be really nice if you could stop please! I wanted to say this, because (at the time) nobody could understand me. I know it doesn't sound too smart, but sorry. That's me. It's very nice, thank you very much. But I've heard it often now! "

11 Sep 2016 02:30:49
Coutinho needs to be played in attacking midfield or central midfield in this side so he can open up defences with his brilliance. If he is to continue to play on the left wing then he will have to come off the bench as we are a better side without Coutinho on the left wing. When he plays there he takes a number of inaccurate long shots until one eventually goes in, this indirectly gifts possession back to the opposition as the majority of his shots go over the bar. The harsh truth is that in our best side, from left to right the front 3 should be Firmino, Sturridge/ Origi and Mane, Coutinho should occupy one of the centre midfield slots or come off the bench.

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11 Sep 2016 02:22:11
Match day goers, what's the verdict? New stand and 8000 odd extra people make an impact on the atmosphere!? Seemed louder but maybe minus the "electricity" lol you know what I mean! Anywho, interested to hear.

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11 Sep 2016 07:22:27
Yes it was louder mate and at times the atmosphere was cracking. Remember though, a large proportion of those seats went to hospitality not that I'm insinuating or anything. .

11 Sep 2016 02:21:35
Milner was excellent today and completely nullified Mahrez. He stuck to his defensive duties, made some important tackles and interceptions and only went forward when we had good possession. When he got forward he even managed to make a few incisive passes inwards including the assist for Firmino's goal - which he took brilliantly. If this is a sign of things to come then Milner at left back could work out very well.

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11 Sep 2016
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Lovren black eye

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11 Sep 2016 01:02:48
One thing I didn't notice today was. Mahrez?

I saw him on the pitch at the start but don't recall a touch of the ball. For the league's 'best player' last season, this is unusual. Do we credit Milner? If so, he is amazing LB.

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11 Sep 2016 01:20:38
Only time I noticed him was the nice little ball cutting in from our left to play Vardy in and Migs saving. Our left side did a decent job of keeping him quiet.

11 Sep 2016 00:45:04
I've seen a few posts saying that we are a better side without Coutinho in the team. I would have to agree with that sentiment. In terms of ability Coutinho is wonderful player and has won many a match for us with pieces of individual brilliance. However his current style of using his excellent dribbling ability, to take a large number of long shots, most of which are inaccurate, is very ineffective. Coutinho is at his best in attacking midfield or in our system in one of the 2 central midfield roles, where he can use his brilliant vision, passing ability and technique to split open defences with eye of the needle passes.

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11 Sep 2016 01:45:06
Yeah i think he sometimes gets caught up in the idea of getting the glory, so tries far too hard to do it by himself. Like you say i feel in midfield he would be perfect as he's far enough from goal not to shoot every half sighting he gets and his close control and dribbling ability can help link midfield and attack. One element of his game which we have seen reduced significantly since playing at LW is his lethal through balls, another side of his game which i can see returning if played a little deeper.

My only concern is who do you swap? The assumption would be one of Lallana or Wijnaldum but with Can to return i think Wijnaldum's place is already under threat despite a much improved performance, the same also said for Lallana. Lots of healthy competition but i just hope it doesn't lead to Sturridge being benched as he really showed his importance to the team today.

11 Sep 2016 02:14:55
End of the post should read Coutinho should be played in one of the two centre mid spots or come off the bench if he is to be considered a winger.

11 Sep 2016 02:15:58
Lets give it a few games aye? We have quite a few options and the first few games we've been figuring outselves out. The last 3 outings since the burnley defeat, we've shown the type of cutting edge and creativity that coutinho would thrive off. I scratxh my head a lot at coutinho settling for the long range shot, but it's often on the back of not a lot else going on around him. He needs players in motion, looking for 1-2s etc he woild have thrived out there today.