Liverpool Banter Archive November 12 2010

 

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12 Nov 2010 23:55:02
Roy Hodgson is happy for mediocrity to get results .

LFC supporters desrve :

Pass and Move - the Liverpool Groove .

That has to be the aim for an LFC manager , and it starts with attacking players , throughout the team .

1977

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:52:20

I knw wat ur sayin regardin pacheco in the reserves he ws a prolific goal scorer.y change tht ?if it ent broke dnt fix it, nurture wats already there.dnt try un replace a role wiv sum 1 who dnt naturally play there

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:51:21

Yes IF we get beat 2 or more times ROY should go as he would of had the time to prove he can not manage a big club
but still the fact is 6 after the takeover we are going in the right direction

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:42:59

It seem's so many fan's have already given up on ROY and no matter what he does thay will just list the cons and brush the pros under the carpet, the truth of the matter is we are a long way away from the team of yesteryear 20years will do that to you.Teams in the EPL no longer lay down when the bigboys come to town.This club may well be to big for ROY but look at the tools he has to work with ie
YANK OWNERS PLAYERS UNREST LITTLE CASH SMALL SQUAD AND SOME FANS WHO STILL THINK THAT THIS TEAM CAN WALK ON WATER WHEN IN FACT WE HAVE BEEN HELD TOGETHER BY 1 MAN FOR MANY YEARS
All our managers should be given a chance

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:40:59

Everyone has their own opinion. however it isn't a corner we are turning its more like a u bend

chris 1

==Ha ha . .liking that.

Frenchy.

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:40:13
What are the chances Roy Hodgson plays this team ?

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . Kelly. .Kyrgiakos. .Skrtel. .Carragher. . . .

. . . . . . . Gerrard. . .Poulsen. . . . Lucas. . . . .
. Meireles. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kuyt.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Against Stoke City's 4-4-2


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Begovic. . . . . . . . . . . . .

. .Huth. .Diagne-Faye. .Higginbotham. .Collins. .

Pennant. . . . Delap. . .Whitehead. .Etherington

. . . . . . . . . . Jones. . . . . . Fuller. . . . . . . . .


A traditional 4-4-2 . Pretty clear who has he most attacking intent and will to win the match .

What will it take to see a bold and cultured LFC team again .

1977

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:34:27

12 Nov 2010 23:20:39

IF ROYS LIVERPOOL BEAT
STOKE WEST HAM NEWCAS FULHAM WOVES
DRAW WITH SPURS VILLA
FINISH TOP OF EUROPA
WILL YOU STILL BE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD IN JAN?
AND LETS NOT FORGET THAT ROY TOOK OVER A MID TABLE TEAM THIS YEAR
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A "Draw with Spurs and Villa" we are Liverpool mate. Should we not be expecting to beat Spurs and Villa?

Yet again proof if proof were needed the mindset LFC fans are in under Roy Hodgson.

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:31:51
12 Nov 2010 23:20:39

IF ROYS LIVERPOOL BEAT
STOKE WEST HAM NEWCAS FULHAM WOVES
DRAW WITH SPURS VILLA
FINISH TOP OF EUROPA
WILL YOU STILL BE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD IN JAN?
AND LETS NOT FORGET THAT ROY TOOK OVER A MID TABLE TEAM THIS YEAR

"IF" is a very small word which can mean so much
"IF we DONT win all those games and lose two will you be calling for Roys head?

Take your head from out of the clouds! !

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:30:30

"IF ROYS LIVERPOOL BEAT
STOKE WEST HAM NEWCAS FULHAM WOVES
DRAW WITH SPURS VILLA
FINISH TOP OF EUROPA
WILL YOU STILL BE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD IN JAN?
AND LETS NOT FORGET THAT ROY TOOK OVER A MID TABLE TEAM THIS YEAR"

1- I will say because of his boring football.
2- Finishing 7th is not mid table its a european place and if Roy achieve this , I 'll eat my humble pie and apologise.
3- I do nt think he'll get the results you stated, I can see us dropping points against Stoke , newcastle and fulham, I cannot see us getting a point against spurs Roys defensive tactics plays into their hands .

Let me ask you, if come Jan we were below 10th in the table, would you still have this faith in him?

Roy

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:20:39

IF ROYS LIVERPOOL BEAT
STOKE WEST HAM NEWCAS FULHAM WOVES
DRAW WITH SPURS VILLA
FINISH TOP OF EUROPA
WILL YOU STILL BE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD IN JAN?
AND LETS NOT FORGET THAT ROY TOOK OVER A MID TABLE TEAM THIS YEAR

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:20:19
LFC need to start identifying the best players .

For too long LFC have been satified buying players that can make do in the Premier League .

The following players :-

Jermaine Pennant
Paul Konchesky
Sotirios Kyrgiakos
Christian Poulsen
Fabio Aurelio
Milan Jovanovic
Maxi Rodriguez
Philipp Degen
Jan Kromkamp
Josemi
Andrea Dossena
Albert Riera
Andriy Voronin
Robbie Keane
Sebastian Leto
Gabriel Paletta
Mark Gonzalez
Charles Itandje
Boudewijn Zenden
Antonio Nunez
Mauricio Pellegrino
Emiliano Insua

Signed since 2004 (during the last 6 years only) would never have had a Liverpool career under Management such as Shankly , Paisley , Fagan and Dalglish .

We need to make sure all of our signings from now on are 'Real' LFC quality first team players - if anything relegating many of the present first team players to back up roles within the squad .

Half of the LFC first team would be better used on the substitues bench .

I think we all must wait with interest as to just who Damien Comolli brings into the club , we need ruthless measures now .

1977

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:18:00
12 Nov 2010 23:10:29

To everyone saying give Roy a chance

Roy said himself "To judge him after 10 games" It's now been 12 games so what do you think so far?

Please give your reasons why he should get more time if he himself said "10 games"

Don't just say we have to stick by our manager etc. How do you think Roy will judge himself? My guess is he's thinking he's doing an ok job and can see nothing wrong with his tactics, comments, signings etc.

An "ok" job would be fine at Blackburn, Fulham, Villa, Everton etc. But not at LFC we are 9th, playing the worse football i've ever seen. Surely not good enough for LFC?

I'd like to know what people honestly think the result ill be tomorrow? I hope i'm wrong but i can't see past a 1-1 draw.

Blair Mayne YNWA

At last a fellow red who talks sense, totally and utterly agreed
spot on Blair!

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:10:29

To everyone saying give Roy a chance

Roy said himself "To judge him after 10 games" It's now been 12 games so what do you think so far?

Please give your reasons why he should get more time if he himself said "10 games"

Don't just say we have to stick by our manager etc. How do you think Roy will judge himself? My guess is he's thinking he's doing an ok job and can see nothing wrong with his tactics, comments, signings etc.

An "ok" job would be fine at Blackburn, Fulham, Villa, Everton etc. But not at LFC we are 9th, playing the worse football i've ever seen. Surely not good enough for LFC?

I'd like to know what people honestly think the result ill be tomorrow? I hope i'm wrong but i can't see past a 1-1 draw.

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:03:46

"INTER HAD ROY AND AFTER LAST SEASON HE WAS MANAGER OF THE YEAR AND SHOWED HUGE RESEPCT TO LIVERPOOL AND IT'S FANS BY COMING TO US IN OUR TIME OF NEED
ALL I SAY IS WE DO THE SAME FOR THE TIME BEING"

When Inter hired Roy they were 13th, a below mid table team, yes he guided them to 7th which is what he is good at, similar to what he did with Fulham. Its also worth noting he was there less than 2 seasons , he was sacked half way through his second seasons after 13 draws . but probably what got him sacked is him saying Paul Ince was Inters best player.
Yes he took fulham to the finals of the Europa and deserved his manager of the year, but where did fulham finish last year, and how many points they dropped on the road.
I really do understand the sentiment that we should stand by our manager, but I am afraid with Roy we will be lucky to finish in the top half, and if we do not get a European place, then at least 9 of our senior players will leave, what will happen to us then? It will take us another few years to build again.NESV won't spend money like city and chelsea and buy 4th place in a couple of years, instead I can see us like Villa just hovering between 7th and 9th.
Roy

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:01:51
Actually, there was money left to buy a better DM - 10m to be exact from the Mascherano deal (a 10m which most likely went toward the debt H&G).
Sorry to burst your bubble but Pacheco will be off if Roy hasn't packed his bags by January. Pacheco is one of the brightest talents in the world - nicknamed El Assassino at Barca because of his ability to score from any position - was the highest scorer at the U-19 championships and player of the tournament in said championships, yet Roy the clown wastes bench-space with Poulsen and leaves him back at Melwood.
If Roy stays after January I guarantee we'll be mid-table and half of Anfield will be biting their arms off in boredom while watching Good Ol' Roy sit like a statue in the dugout while his team is playing so bad it should be a criminal offence.

Just think - has ANY team, ever, gotten into the Top Four by playing the way Roy does. Did Real Madrid race for Hodson's signature - yes, Real the team we beat 4-0 - after they sacked Pellegrini. Did you hear a collective groan arround Old Trafford as they found out their first-choice successor to Whiskey Nose had been snapped up?


No doubt i defo agree with you, i just mean throwing the kids in with the shower that we have at the min we wouldn't see the full potential of our youth, and by the way pacheco is my fave youth player he will be a spain international within 3 years i rate him highly. But i just mean would you like to see him receiving a pass from poulsen, soto or konchesky, no to bring out his talent wait till jan when fingers crossed we could have the likes of defour, banega, hazard and co (and this is a big fingers crossed) and aguero to play off.
We have amazing youth but don't discredit them and play them with the sh*t we got as their game will not show.
If we but 3-5 players jan, then have faith in our youth imagine:
Reina
Kelly, Agger, Mavinga, Coentrao
Hazard, Gerrard, Defour, Meireles, Mata
Torres

I know the players brought in are wishful thinking but imagine playing them with our youth

Reina
Kelly, Agger, Mavinga, Coentrao
Hazard, Gerrard, Shelvey, Pacheco, Mata
Torres

Different picture and then our youth could excel to there potential, do you think a young fabregas could of shone playing in say barnet? ?

 

 

12 Nov 2010 23:01:24
12 Nov 2010 21:57:13
First off i'd like to say that i'm proper mad at some of my fellow fans, for one give the man a chance i mean yes benitez had some success but honestly hand on heart what did he leave behind and what money did our manager Roy have to spend!
He brought in Raul who in my opinion is a quality purchase, and yes Poulsen is a shower but did we have the extra 10M to geta better option NO! !
At least give OUR manager a fighting chance and get behind him, he has given Shelvey a chance (who is gonna be a world beater) and also Kelly. Yes Pacheco should be but look at the squad and think we needed to get us in a decent situation before giving all the youngsters a chance so go with experiance until Jan then purchase some quality so we can then blood our youngsters (Sterling, Pacheco, Suso) with better players benifiting them more. No point putting them in now when we ain't good enough to create chances from back and midfield it would absolutly dimorolise our younger players. .

You are obviously a supporter of Roys side and that is entirely your choice, however I am not the kind of fan to argue with a fellow red but facts are facts Roy has had money to spend and with an abundance of midfielders already at the club chose to add a further 3 midfielders and loan out Aqualani "madness"

Pacheco top player should be by now in the starting 11, a striker should have been number one priority in the summer before any other deal was sanctioned "not done"

Who's fault was that then it wasn't Raffas?

Hang your head in shame Roy!

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 22:16:24

12 Nov 2010 21:57:13
First off i'd like to say that i'm proper mad at some of my fellow fans, for one give the man a chance i mean yes benitez had some success but honestly hand on heart what did he leave behind and what money did our manager Roy have to spend!
He brought in Raul who in my opinion is a quality purchase, and yes Poulsen is a shower but did we have the extra 10M to geta better option NO! !
At least give OUR manager a fighting chance and get behind him, he has given Shelvey a chance (who is gonna be a world beater) and also Kelly. Yes Pacheco should be but look at the squad and think we needed to get us in a decent situation before giving all the youngsters a chance so go with experiance until Jan then purchase some quality so we can then blood our youngsters (Sterling, Pacheco, Suso) with better players benifiting them more. No point putting them in now when we ain't good enough to create chances from back and midfield it would absolutly dimorolise our younger players. .

Wait my friend good time ahead

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Actually, there was money left to buy a better DM - 10m to be exact from the Mascherano deal (a 10m which most likely went toward the debt H&G).
Sorry to burst your bubble but Pacheco will be off if Roy hasn't packed his bags by January. Pacheco is one of the brightest talents in the world - nicknamed El Assassino at Barca because of his ability to score from any position - was the highest scorer at the U-19 championships and player of the tournament in said championships, yet Roy the clown wastes bench-space with Poulsen and leaves him back at Melwood.
If Roy stays after January I guarantee we'll be mid-table and half of Anfield will be biting their arms off in boredom while watching Good Ol' Roy sit like a statue in the dugout while his team is playing so bad it should be a criminal offence.

Just think - has ANY team, ever, gotten into the Top Four by playing the way Roy does. Did Real Madrid race for Hodson's signature - yes, Real the team we beat 4-0 - after they sacked Pellegrini. Did you hear a collective groan arround Old Trafford as they found out their first-choice successor to Whiskey Nose had been snapped up?

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 22:07:37
Hey ed why do you think we will not sign turan and what wingers do you think we should sign.just think he is ideal for us, great football brain and is capable of unlocking defences.also think we need to buy a centre half, gary cahill would be my choice and also a left back, contrao.do you agree with this ed.also my forecast for stoke game 2/ 0 torres and the legend s.gee.stan the red ynwa {ed's note - it just seems like we haven't been looking at him, but Comolli is the only one who knows for sure. I don't see the need to buy Cahill, who is a hoofer anyway, when we have an excellent young centre back in Ayala on loan at Hull, we should just recall him if we can. I see Comolli was watching him tonight, he had another good game, I wonder if his notes expressed amazement at him being allowed to go out on loan? We definitely need a left back, it is clear Roy is not going to give Mavinga a chance and Konchesky is not good enough.}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 21:57:13
First off i'd like to say that i'm proper mad at some of my fellow fans, for one give the man a chance i mean yes benitez had some success but honestly hand on heart what did he leave behind and what money did our manager Roy have to spend! !
He brought in Raul who in my opinion is a quality purchase, and yes Poulsen is a shower but did we have the extra 10M to geta better option NO! !
At least give OUR manager a fighting chance and get behind him, he has given Shelvey a chance (who is gonna be a world beater) and also Kelly. Yes Pacheco should be but look at the squad and think we needed to get us in a decent situation before giving all the youngsters a chance so go with experiance until Jan then purchase some quality so we can then blood our youngsters (Sterling, Pacheco, Suso) with better players benifiting them more. No point putting them in now when we ain't good enough to create chances from back and midfield it would absolutly dimorolise our younger players. .

Wait my friend good time ahead

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 21:44:45

TRASH TALKING

INTER HAD ROY AND AFTER LAST SEASON HE WAS MANAGER OF THE YEAR AND SHOWED HUGE RESEPCT TO LIVERPOOL AND IT'S FANS BY COMING TO US IN OUR TIME OF NEED

ALL I SAY IS WE DO THE SAME FOR THE TIME BEING

 

 

12 Nov 2010 21:41:55

The trouble with picking your fantasy football manager players is most havnt got premiership experience.
Players who stand out for me are
G Cahill
W Bridge
N'Zogbia
A Carroll.
Doubt we'd get any to be honest

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 21:38:31
If and a big if we lose tomorrow, this page will be inundated with people calling for Roys head myself included, but knowing what has so far happened nothing will be done.

This is where I cannot understand the logic of the new owners to raise the profile of the club, the absolute MUST to finish in the top 4, to attract the cream of the crop of the worlds young talent we are constantly linked with in January we simply cannot carry on with a manager who after 12 premiership games has split the fans in two for support of him.

I have followed the reds for almost 40yrs and have seen some fantastic teams grace the hallowed turf of Anfield, but the likes of Poulson, Johnson, Ngog, Babel to name but a few are turning our club into a laughing stock of the league. This season is the worst I have experianced as a fan and is the first time I can remember ever of imagining the thought of going to places like Stoke West ham and losing without even kicking a ball, "that's not Liverpool"

Mr.Henry and his consortium are business men at the end of the day, how long are they prepared to put up with what's happening to our club, things have to change and Mr.Henry has to be ruthless and for the sake of all Liverpool fans worldwide "Sack Roy" if Henry allows Roy to carry on till Xmas it will be then too late we will be another Aston Villa and dare I say it Everton as an almost ran club.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 21:33:37

I'm getting sick of reading the hodgson bashing stories which people post. These are ridiculous liverpool are slowly turning the corner and hodgson hasn't had much squad depth to work with. Lucas is playing the best since he's been at liverpool its like having a new player. Would you rather have mancini who spent nearly a quarter of a billion in summer and would be happy with 4th in the league? I bet by christmas we will be very close the champions league positions and I have a good feeling we may nip past city and spurs as they implode for different reasons.

Don't think you have watched a single game. I believe your a man united fan.
Only thing I agreed with you is about Lucus, other than that my ribs actually hurt with laughter over your lack of knowledge.
Go back to United's forum soft lad

 

 

12 Nov 2010 21:33:23

To the bloke who said we could well sell reina as the owners tend to sell people when in there prime don't think so mate they buy plays coming up to there prime and sell them after there prime for good money it is all about getting good money back at the right time ie look at wenger with Henry had the best years and got good money for him fergy with ince, kanckeski, Hughes, it aint about loyalty to players football is a business. As for Hogdson what chance as he had we played the top 4 in the first 10 games worst run of fixtures out of them all it will take time and when you look at our squad im not supprised we are where we are liverpool used to have the best centre midfield int he world at one point alonso, masch, gerrard, name a better one when hodgson started he ended up with lucas, aqua, gerrard, apart from gerrard what one of the other 2 would get into any top 4 team?

 

 

12 Nov 2010 21:32:15

Judging Roy is irrelevant, we all know he is not good enough. As hard as it is patience and beer are the only solution!

Calired

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 21:31:18

Come on guys pull together backing torres to score tmrw 2-1 Liverpool comE on you reds :)

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 21:26:51

OK alot of fans want ROY out asap but lets just take a step back, try to remember the problems we had at the start of the season and look at the facts.We had no manager , owners hell bent on screwing us over, players wanting out and upsetting others in the camp, and fans for the first time in my life not willing to go to euro games, plus fans protests.In fact it was a mess, the kind of mess that would take time and a lot of cash to sort.None of we have had yet.Step 1 ROY came in on a 2 year contract knowing he would only play a small part in the rebuilding of this club.The players he signed were players he trusted to fight for him and also ones he could aford.STEP 2sell the bad appels and resure the players that things will get better, and that's what he did (masch out SG & FT staying).Step 3 get the yanks out, they draged us through the courts on both sides of the pond for weeks, with a possible out come of admin 9pts.The gunners game showed that we have a good stating 11 but no one on the bench(RAFA'S legacy) MAN CITY game was a wake up call that we need to spend big.ROY has had no money so far.fast forward to manc & blues* te games a run of poor games but takeover done, the fact here these games came to soon and again we were out played.After that game we have played 6 games winnig 4 and picking up 2pts away from home from the other 2.A run that any manager would be happy with, ok the football we play ant great but play bad and win that's what great teams do.Idont think ROY is the future but maybe we should get of his back and only judge him from 18 OCT to the end of the season.

Would Man U, Barca, Real m, Arsenal or Chelsea have Roy?
Ofcourse not.
Your talking utter trash lad

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 21:15:41

OK alot of fans want ROY out asap but lets just take a step back, try to remember the problems we had at the start of the season and look at the facts.We had no manager , owners hell bent on screwing us over, players wanting out and upsetting others in the camp, and fans for the first time in my life not willing to go to euro games, plus fans protests.In fact it was a mess, the kind of mess that would take time and a lot of cash to sort.None of we have had yet.Step 1 ROY came in on a 2 year contract knowing he would only play a small part in the rebuilding of this club.The players he signed were players he trusted to fight for him and also ones he could aford.STEP 2sell the bad appels and resure the players that things will get better, and that's what he did (masch out SG & FT staying).Step 3 get the yanks out, they draged us through the courts on both sides of the pond for weeks, with a possible out come of admin 9pts.The gunners game showed that we have a good stating 11 but no one on the bench(RAFA'S legacy) MAN CITY game was a wake up call that we need to spend big.ROY has had no money so far.fast forward to manc & blues* te games a run of poor games but takeover done, the fact here these games came to soon and again we were out played.After that game we have played 6 games winnig 4 and picking up 2pts away from home from the other 2.A run that any manager would be happy with, ok the football we play ant great but play bad and win that's what great teams do.Idont think ROY is the future but maybe we should get of his back and only judge him from 18 OCT to the end of the season.


ED pp dun my eyes in on my pod

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 21:12:45

No jokes I think I'd do a better job than Roy I'd just come on this site and do what people asked for ha no I'd just play Johnson onthe wing when fit I'd rotate the team more. And lastly I'd give the youngsters a chance! Eugghh kellys been amazing where is mavinga! God Roy just at least mix it up for your sake as much as the fans sake.
Win lose or draw Red in my heart! YNWA

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 20:58:44

Here is how this season is going to play out:

I believe that after the last couple of results the "buzz" of the takeover will begin to receed, which we showed against Wigan. Reality will kick back in and we will again see a run of poorer results(inconsistant, draws, loses and irregular wins ). When we are 15th-16th position in mid January NESV will make a change that is one for the future - a long term coach that will keep the players happy with a positive vision for the future of the team. I am not going to throw any candidates out there cause i would have no idea. I am not happy with Roy but I am not going to bang on about it. I would rather we take our time for our next move and get it right than jump into another wrong decision.

Calired

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 20:55:33

It always concerns me when I read Roy Hodgson is looking to sign a target man .

LFC , last had a successful target man when John Toshack played for the club .

It is difficult to imagine how Roy Hodgson would make it appealing to LFC supporters .

1977

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 20:46:14

Always a red {ed's note - he does have the knack of saying the wrong thing, he talks like we are a team that should just be glad not to get relegated.}

he is one of the most depressing talkers i have ever heard. i would love to ask young dani pacheco if he thinks roy is a nice man, he didn't even get a mention. if he doesn't get a game what chance does suso get (altough it maybe abit early for him).

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 20:29:15

Copy and pasted from sky sports news.

"We've got senior players like Johnson, Cole and Daniel Agger who are not fit to take part in the game, and then it's young players like Jonjo Shelvey, Jay Spearing and Danny Wilson.

"There isn't an enormous luxury to make wholesale changes."

for me this sums up roy perfectly, i mean for god sake would it have killed him to show alittle bit of faith in the young lads.
ed is it that i have never given roy a chance, i mean i never got the idea of appointing him, or is he just always saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.

always a red {ed's note - he does have the knack of saying the wrong thing, he talks like we are a team that should just be glad not to get relegated.}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 20:26:34
I'm getting sick of reading the hodgson bashing stories which people post. These are ridiculous liverpool are slowly turning the corner and hodgson hasn't had much squad depth to work with. Lucas is playing the best since he's been at liverpool its like having a new player. Would you rather have mancini who spent nearly a quarter of a billion in summer and would be happy with 4th in the league? I bet by christmas we will be very close the champions league positions and I have a good feeling we may nip past city and spurs as they implode for different reasons.

Chappers_lfc

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Everyone has their own opinion. however it isn't a corner we are turning its more like a u bend

chris 1

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 20:20:50

I'm getting sick of reading the hodgson bashing stories which people post. These are ridiculous liverpool are slowly turning the corner and hodgson hasn't had much squad depth to work with. Lucas is playing the best since he's been at liverpool its like having a new player. Would you rather have mancini who spent nearly a quarter of a billion in summer and would be happy with 4th in the league? I bet by christmas we will be very close the champions league positions and I have a good feeling we may nip past city and spurs as they implode for different reasons.

Chappers_lfc

 

 

12 Nov 2010 20:18:45

Hodgson in the Liverpool Echo talking about Poulsen against Wigan- –

"His introduction secured the point at least because he was very good when he came on, " Hodgson said. "He didn't miss a pass and won several challenges.

"That's what he was on there to do and he will get better. Without his introduction, with a very tired Maxi Rodriguez and Dirk Kuyt, who knows we could even have lost the game."

Is Hodgson so deluded that he thinks that it was Poulsen who saved the game?

What about Hodgson's tactics that nearly lost us the game?

Every time he opens his mouth more bilge water falls out of it.

Frenchy.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 20:15:45
To Roy

If you get stuck in the press conference after stoke, please feel free to use any of the following. Practise them them roy. its whats liverpool is all about mate


A lot of football success is in the mind. You must believe you are the best and then make sure that you are."

When I've got nothing better to do, I look down the league table to see how Everton are getting along."

Aim for the sky and you'll reach the ceiling. Aim for the ceiling and you'll stay on the floor."

Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple."

If you're not sure what to do with the ball, just pop it in the net and we'll discuss your options afterwards."

If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing."

Above all, I would like to be remembered as a man who was selfless, who strove and worried so that others could share the glory, and who built up a family of people who could hold their heads up high and say, 'We're Liverpool'."

If Everton were playing down the bottom of my garden, I'd draw the curtains."

"We murdered them 0-0."

The great, the only. Bill Shankly,

chris 1

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 20:00:05
I think Roy Hodgson should be forced to employ younger , more dynamic staff around him . For example : Sami Hyppia , Didi Hamann , Gary Ablett and Ronnie Whelan . Roy Hodgson is far too old to have an ageing team staff around him .

Though forcing such a change onto the Manager could set a precedent , I think Roy Hodgson's role now ought to be under the most scrutiny , and a young staff will help the players relate to what is expected of them .

1977

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 19:49:03

Ed is pacheco out of roys plans hes not even making the squad and seems to be stuck in reserves.surely he deserves a chance i would love to see him get a start with stevie and nando to see how he gets on.i fear if he doesn't get some playing time he could be of back to spain, there are alot of clubs ther keepin an eye on him and when we buy in jan and the summer were will that leave him.roy give the boy a chance.ed what you think.

{EDITOR'S NOTE: I hope he gets more games to get his max potential mate}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 19:48:20

Pls ed, which website can i download fm2011 from and hw many hour would it take to download it.

 

 

12 Nov 2010 19:48:15

Go on. Read it again. Apologise when you're ready.

Enjoy your evening.

Frenchy.

Sorry Mate, it's hard to tell you read such bo* ocks on here, the shop reopens at 8, i'll pop along see if they've any offers on.

Enjoy yours aswell

YNWA

== Fair one mate, thanks.

Frenchy.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 19:25:08

What do top worlds class players look for when joining a new team? Teams in the top 2 positions in the country league, CL and the group of players they are going to join. LFC has lost out on these players because we can't attract the top players anymore. What is the solution going forward? ED your comments. {ed's note - a lot of players want to play for big clubs regardless of where they currently are in the league. Especially if they can see that the club has potential.}

You'd be suprised at the amount of players that would love to play with Gerrard. We've got quite a high profile number 9 as well. . .
We'll always be a 'big' team; you don't just lose decades of success overnight. Ed, you agree? {ed's note - so long as we don't drop out of the EPL we will be.}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 19:18:27

Go on. Read it again. Apologise when you're ready.

Enjoy your evening.

Frenchy.

Sorry Mate, it's hard to tell you read such bo* ocks on here, the shop reopens at 8, i'll pop along see if they've any offers on.

Enjoy yours aswell

YNWA

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 18:56:41

Ed,
why do we always buy s* t, average, over age and payed players. ie now kerchakov claims we have made an offer for him?

harry5:) {ed's note - because our managers always rate them highly.}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 18:14:22

What do top worlds class players look for when joining a new team? Teams in the top 2 positions in the country league, CL and the group of players they are going to join. LFC has lost out on these players because we can't attract the top players anymore. What is the solution going forward? ED your comments. {ed's note - a lot of players want to play for big clubs regardless of where they currently are in the league. Especially if they can see that the club has potential.}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 18:10:17

== My name is Frenchy. Pleased to meet you. Even though you clearly are not a 'true' supporter ==

You would stand by a manager no matter what, what if after three years we win nothing are close to religation, play dreadful football and most of our top players have either left or want to leave? And you acuse someone of not being a 'true' supporter? Jesus mate have a look in the mirror and go and support Everton, those fans stick by Moyes no matter what and look at what they achieve? They celebrate 6th 7th place! Well it might be good enough for them and for you but you won't find many 'true' Liverpool fans that agree.

YNWA
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Dear Mr YNWA.

My friend, you must have found the shop was shut when you went to buy yourself a sense of humour. Did you seriously not grasp that my response to Chris1 is 100% sarcasm??

Go on. Read it again. Apologise when you're ready.

Enjoy your evening.

Frenchy.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 18:09:41

It is Roy Hodgson who gives these stories about Reina any credance because he is too honest in press conferences and gives answers to journalists who are only talking about made up stories in the morning papers. He makes things worse than they actually are. He should do a Fergie and have these idiots removed from the press conference and have their accreditation suspended.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 18:07:17

PLAYER OT THE MONTH
i see the big greek has got what he deserved an award, i hope lucas has a proper go at stoke(without a redcard) and gets next months award, every liverpool player should be really proud to be awarded this award it should be a players target as soon as they get into the team, kyrgiakos has proved if you really show commitment and determination the liverpool fans do appreciate the effort, if they all give 100% effort in every game a few poor results is acceptable, but the lack of movement/ effort by 3 or 4 players is not and can not ever be good enough for us, step in mr motivator roy get it done lad, bob paisleys skids

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 18:04:02

Ive seen alot of LFC fans post that they would like Rijkaard to take over at the club. As an outsider I think that move would only cause tension within the club. I could see a similar situation occuring to the Gullit/ Newcastle one but to a lesser extreme. I can see him and Gerrard having a clash of egos. Would you guys really want him in charge of your club?

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 17:59:52

12 Nov 2010 17:51:56

I would liked to have the german manger at the club

and he might attract some young german players
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ALL TOGETHER NOW - AWAY IN A MANGER - LITTLE LORD JESUS ETC ETC. . A GERMAN MANGER AT THAT! ! !

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 17:59:29

Why do players sign buy out clauses that can't be met? Ageuro has a 40 million buy out clause that's why lfc never even tried looking at him? Are these legal? what about thier signed contracts that players never want to honour eg mascherano did?
I think a contract should tie the player down to the club for the duration it lasts unless both parties want to part? Its a joke that a players has a contract yet he can decide to leave when ever he chooses to. Ed your comments? {ed's note - the buyout clause is specifically designed to tie a player down unless someone meets it, which is meant to be a ridiculous sum to put people off.}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 17:51:56

I would liked to have the german manger at the club

and he might attract some young german players

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 17:44:16

I hope Pacheco gets a chance, sooner. . He should be used more frequently than the others. . Ur thoughts on him, ed! {ed's note - I like Pacheco, he may be a bit small but that never bothered Zola and it doesn't seem to affect Pedro or Messi either. I just think he needs games under the right manager, one who will look to play with more attacking intent and allow forwards more freedom.}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 17:37:09

Wow were still getting the Roy needs to be giving a chance brigade, banging his drum, because that's what true fans would do bo* ocks.I am a lfc supporter have been for 35yrs.for the last eleven yrs I have sat in my seat on the Kop and witnessed, safety first football.This season is the worst football I have seen us play.We beat chelsea because of Torres class finishing on the day.We hung on for the whole of the 2nd half.I went to the away games City, Birmingham, Everton, We got 1 pt more than our performances deserved.You can say all you like about getting behind the manager and Roy can only work with what Rafa left him carp.We are playing too deep, with three centre backs who can't pass the ball out of the defence.The midfield are barked at if they go more than 10 yards away from the defence line.This is why I would be happy for Roy to move on. This site gives me the chance to voice my opinion. Thanks Ed.I never wanted Roy because I knew the type of football he likes to serve up.stand up for the manager, if you want to, but don't call insult fans, who are not happy with watching lfc play this way.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 17:21:24

Ok Harry, just say for a laugh, you get your wish and we sack Hodgson. What if they bring in a manager you don't want? What if new manager starts worse than Hodgson? Sack him after 12 games too? Get another man in and give him 12 games too? We could end up with 4 managers in a season, we're bound to win then, as long as we get one that is young with no premiership experience of course. Think before you act!

Obviously the next manager has to be someone that plays attractive football, Hodgson plays to not lose, we are not Fulham, when we need to win he protects the draw? I beleive he was brought in to steady the ship, the ship is now steady so now it's time to go! How anybody enjoys watching a football match knowing that their team only wants to not lose is beyond me!

 

 

12 Nov 2010 17:11:41

If NESV really want to show that they are serious to the fans and the footballing community, then they need to look at these players;

Taye Taiwo- £7m- reminds me a bit like Riise, who we have never really replaced.

David Luiz- £20m- absolute quality. Young, quick, good on the ball and solid in defense. Would settle in quicker because of national team-mate Lucas.

Juan Mata- £18m- A cliche I know, but he is so needed. Quick, creative and Spanish, which we love at Liverpool.

Luis Suarez- £20m- Goal machine, young, wants to play in the Prem and Ajax needs the cash.

A lot of money, but needed. It would also be funded by the sales of Aquilani and Agger, plus a few other players that are not needed.

Team after transfer window;

Reina

Kelly Skrtel Luiz Taiwo

Johnson Lucas Gerrard Mata

Suarez Torres

If Roy approach does not change, I would like Rjikard as manager, as he is young, a CL winner, respected in world football, and likes his team to play good football.

 

 

12 Nov 2010 17:10:02

== My name is Frenchy. Pleased to meet you. Even though you clearly are not a 'true' supporter ==

You would stand by a manager no matter what, what if after three years we win nothing are close to religation, play dreadful football and most of our top players have either left or want to leave? And you acuse someone of not being a 'true' supporter? Jesus mate have a look in the mirror and go and support Everton, those fans stick by Moyes no matter what and look at what they achieve? They celebrate 6th 7th place! Well it might be good enough for them and for you but you won't find many 'true' Liverpool fans that agree.

YNWA

 

 

12 Nov 2010 17:09:02

Barca were in a similar state 7-8 years ago? how did they come out of it? They had a fantastic set of players at the academy that have transformed their fortunes in recent times.

Have we got what it takes to go through some thing similar or are we going to free fall?

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 17:03:39

In fairness to Roy, I don't think the Poulsen sub for Kuyt was quite as ridiculously negative as it seemed. Wigan were getting a lot of pressure through the middle as well as the flanks, and Poulsen stopped some of that, and in fact Gerrard seemed to get a bit more of the ball after that too.
So maybe he did that sub so as to allow the forward players more freedom by closing the midfield threats down better, I don't know.
But the real point is why do LFC need to strengthen their midfield at such a late stage in the game? If we were playing the way we can, Wigan should never have gotten a look-in through the midfield. So whatever his reasons, the substitution was only really to compensate for crappy defensive play in the first place, as well being way too late.
Which reminds me- why does he wait so long to make subs?

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 16:32:57

12 Nov 2010 15:03:24

Ok Harry, just say for a laugh, you get your wish and we sack Hodgson. What if they bring in a manager you don't want? What if new manager starts worse than Hodgson? Sack him after 12 games too? Get another man in and give him 12 games too? We could end up with 4 managers in a season, we're bound to win then, as long as we get one that is young with no premiership experience of course. Think before you act!
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Oh look we have another Hodgson lover. Lol. So you want a manager who brings on a CDM for a Striker when were drawing away to wigan.
I can't stand another game with those tactics.
We need a manager who has an atack minded philosophy. Someone who sets out his team to win. Especially wigan. that's exactly what chelsea done and they beat them 6.0.

If a new manager comes in what makes u think he will lose or start worse. Redknapp didn't, Ancelotti, Owen Coyle etc etc
Also mourinho had no EPL experience. But look at him now. He's probably one of or even the best manager in the world.
Ancelotti had no EPL experience but he won the double in his first season! (not bad eh)

I have faith in NESV to find the right manager for us.
NESV said they want to win; Roy does not fit in that category.
NESV don't want a manager who is happy with a draw against wigan.
NESV want a winner and that is who they will find.

Harry5:)

 

 

12 Nov 2010 16:25:50

Champions league next year?
What LFC have to do to is be better than City and Spurs, and that has to be do-able, surely?
I mean look at them, they are both vulnerable on a poor day, especially Spurs.
Personally I think City are going to be the ones around 4th spot by the end of the season- they are our benchmark for now. They are the standard that we have to reach and to beat.
Sadly for us, they will probably get better with more games as the new players bed in, so we might see a strong finish from them.
The expectations at LFC have gone right down, because of all the ownership problems etc.
But forget all that now. Its time to set the sights where they should be- and they have to be on a CL place. If you don't have a clear target in mind, how will you ever reach it?
There is NO more room for excuses. Forget that we only have one premiership class striker, and no real wingers, and all the rest of it. On paper the LFC squad doesn't have the strength or depth of City's, but they have shown in patches that they can play to top 4 standard.
So come Roy and the squad- just stop it with the excuses, the lot of you. We're not asking you to win the prem (yet)- just get your arses into gear and get above City, before its too late!

 

 

12 Nov 2010 16:21:36

What's with people going on about us signing Hulk?! I'm sure Iron Man is better than Hulk. Plus, he is on free transfer. Am I right, Ed?

 

 

12 Nov 2010 16:17:02
Isnt anyone who reads this website a reporter who gets to interview roy time and again?

If so can i please ask them to bring up the question of why we're not using dani pachecho when we need strikers and he some one who was man of the tournament in the u21 world cup. Cause its really silly not to use him

True Red

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 16:11:37
To frenchy

Great response mate.!

chris 1

 

 

12 Nov 2010 16:08:04

I always believed Riena didn't want to leave its just the press running out of bad things to talk about liverpool so make something up.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 16:05:16
For an insight into roys deeply held beliefs regarding attacking football see comments made by jovanovic on how he wants to stay and fight for his place rather than go to anderlecht

"'Since I moved to England I've done everything regarding my job the way the coach wants from me, ' he told Blic.

'I was really focused on not making many tactical mistakes. I've not done things my way. I didn't do things my way, I didn't take risks with my moves and actions."

The whole point of this is the phrase i didn't take risks with my moves and actions, so an attacking player is being told not to take risks. which manual is that out of then?

What will it take for people to see roy for what he is. a defensive minded manager/ coach. who even if he had the resources would still tell his players to play the same way.

I accept that its highly unlikely that roy is going to go anytime soon. . but when we get to the end of the season and have played defensive boring football for most of it and don't get a top 4 finish will all the people who laud him please come back and apologise.

I certainly will if proved wrong

Chris 1

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 15:55:56

If anyone wants to debate and defend roy , then out of curiosity (i really want to know) please answer the following

1; What will it take for you to lose faith in Roy?

== As a 'true' supporter I will never lose faith in Roy because he is our manager and therefore can do no wrong ==

2; How long do you want to give him?

== As long as he wants. He's the manager and as a 'true' supporter I am happy to give him my unconditional support no matter what he does ==

3; Do you like the football we are utilising at present?

== Oh yes. As a 'true' supporter I will fully support whatever tactics and players that our manager utilises. If he says that a draw against any particular lowly team is a really good result then I agree with him. And if he only wants to utilise our half of the pitch to play in then I'm all for it coz I'm a 'true' supporter ==

4; If it was ok to complain about H+G, Rafa's transfer dealings, etc then why can't we about roy?

== Hmmm. .you've got me there to be honest. As a 'true' supporter I'm starting to look a bit fcuked here ==

If possible a name would be nice. but that's optional.

== My name is Frenchy. Pleased to meet you. Even though you clearly are not a 'true' supporter ==

chris 1

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 15:19:06
Jo jo shelvey looks just like bod! woy hodgson looks just like aunt flo! ! de de de de de der de der de de der de de de de de de YNWA the futures bright. .the futures biege.

 

 

12 Nov 2010 15:18:14

A few points. Get Honda at any cost, he will transform the look & effectiveness of the team. A decent wide player very important but Honda the must have purchase as he will make both Gerrard & Torres even more effective. Also over the next season we must bring into the team Pacheco but more importantly Suso who has the ability to be a top world player. The rest of the squad will do to supplement these top players. Last point we need an enlightened positive manager who will play simple attacking flowing football. This is not Roy's type of team or football so he has to move on. My choice would be the Germany coach as he plays with pace & a very creative pattern of football & plays young players if good enough, In short we have the backbone of a great side but need Honda at all costs & to bring through the world class possibilities in our reserves.

 

 

12 Nov 2010 15:12:53

I think its a bit too early to talk about new managers yet. Liverpool have got 10 points out of the last 12, and the players are even saying we're improving and turning a corner. Hodgson is getting to play his favourd 4-4-2 formation now (which he is good at) so lets just see how things are at Christmas.

 

 

12 Nov 2010 15:03:47

GET BEHIND THE MANAGER FOR GOODNESS SAKE!

at Liverpool we have a proud history of backing whoever is in charge to the hilt - Woy has 34 years expirience as manager - i think people should be showing him more respect and getting behind him more - ateotd we are all in it together - i for one back the manager whole heartedly until he is sacked or moves on - just the way i have always rolled and always will roll

 

 

12 Nov 2010 15:03:24

Ok Harry, just say for a laugh, you get your wish and we sack Hodgson. What if they bring in a manager you don't want? What if new manager starts worse than Hodgson? Sack him after 12 games too? Get another man in and give him 12 games too? We could end up with 4 managers in a season, we're bound to win then, as long as we get one that is young with no premiership experience of course. Think before you act!

 

 

12 Nov 2010 15:03:09
12 Nov 2010 13:18:55
If anyone wants to debate and defend roy , then out of curiosity (i really want to know) please answer the following

1; What will it take for you to lose faith in Roy?

2; How long do you want to give him?

3; Do you like the football we are utilising at present?

4; If it was ok to complain about H+G, Rafa's transfer dealings, etc then why can't we about roy?

If possible a name would be nice. but that's optional.

chris 1

I am certainly not defending Roy, he's a decent enough bloke, his tactics are antiquated, they may still work with a lesser team but do we want to become a lesser team.He must go now! we need to be pressing teams with speed and strength not sitting off in two banks of four, we have the players to play this way, maybe one or to in additions.
As for a name I would go for someone who knows British football, Coyle, Martinez, Di Matteo or Odriscoll, all footballing managers, however they would need Kenny to help attract bigger names.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 14:58:06

"We've got senior players like Johnson, Cole and Agger who are not fit to take part in the game, and then it's young players: the Shelveys, the Spearings, the Kellys and the Wilsons. There isn't an enormous luxury to make wholesale changes.

he doesn't even mention jovanovic and pechechos old news now. . he should play jovanovic for sure hes a senior players and hes fresh merelis and maxi are tired but instead of using the proper winger we have he'll use shelvey on the right side of midfield

True red

 

 

12 Nov 2010 14:52:32

Afternoon all
as i have said before i live and work in scumchester.
All day long i have heard nothing but "reina going youve had it now hes your best player and he wants out ha ha ha""he s coming to us and he was promoted to the best goalie in the world when they thought he was coming to old toilet- now he doesn't even make the top 5"
talk about the dai;y manc they all read the dross in it and believe it

Reina is an honorary(spelling) scouser , he has shown that with his love for the club, the city and the people.
if he did ever leave it would not be to scum that's for sure

Bigg2966

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 14:48:18

Stability leads to consistency. Instability leads to inconsistency. Back the team and make your assessments in May, because that's what NESV will be doing. Take down the mindless facebook and twitter campaigns and support your team. ACT IN HASTE AND YOU'LL REPENT AT LEISURE. Stop the Roy hate campaigns and act like lfc fans.
RED HERRING

 

 

12 Nov 2010 14:48:13
This team will beat Stoke comfortably. .

Reina

Kelly. . . . . . Kyrgiakos. . . .Skrtel. . . .Kchesky


Johnson. . . . Gerrard. . . . Meireles. . . Jovanovic

Torres. . . . .Kuyt
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Yes they most probably would. .however roy will no doubt have different ideas.
Why can't we give jovanovic a go as a forward. this is supposed to be his position after all.
Doubt roy will play johnson there he probably replace kelly
Meireles probably still ill. so why did we play him! so lucas there,

chris 1

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 14:29:43

Pepe reina, legend, i love you
ynwa
KOPFINED 1978

 

 

12 Nov 2010 14:29:07

This team will beat Stoke comfortably. .

Reina

Kelly. . . . . . Kyrgiakos. . . .Skrtel. . . .Kchesky


Johnson. . . . Gerrard. . . . Meireles. . . Jovanovic

Torres. . . . .Kuyt

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 14:14:42

So most people on here want Hodgson to go. But I'd be interested to know if those same people wanted Benitez to stay.

NO! ! ! ! ! !

I was time to move on, and now is the time to move on again, you could see with Benitez that he is a very good manager but just did not cut it in the EPL for some reason, but Hodgson you can see there is no future, he is very good at making teams difficult to beat, so is great for the smaller clubs, but just won't cut it for teams at the top that need to win!

YNWA

 

 

12 Nov 2010 14:12:12

I believe that there are a lot of people on this site who have it in their heads that Roy must leave no matter what happens with the team. Never mind that the results are getting better, the man needs to go. But, don't you think that a transitional period under new manangement would bring a series of disappointing results? I think that NESV's approach is the one that makes the most sense right now. Bring in a guy who will overlook all transfer dealings, buy a quality player or two under his recommendation and see what happens until the end of the season. If Roy is to be let go it will happen at the end of the season. If the players, and I really doubt this, are that unhappy about things they will have to carry on until the end of the season. If the fans are unhappy, guess what, wait until the end of the season. Replacing a manager at this time of the year makes absolutely no sense unless the ship is sinking and clearly it is not. So, stop over-analysing every grimace from players and every article from tabloid papers. The sad part is that the league is there to be taken, but because of the errors of the past Liverpool are in no position to contend. Still, we are not that far away from contention, 2 or 3 sensible signings might do wonders. In short, we need players wo can and WILL score goals and take pressure of Gerrard and Torres. My choices are LLorente and Honda (or Hulk)
30 million gets you both of them. If you sell a body or two (Babel, Aquilani, Poulsen, Jovanovic and everyone else who's not being used) there is no reason for this to be an impossibility. Liverpool need to go big without going broke. What do you think Mr Ed? {ed's note - I can see what you are saying, I just think that there is little point sticking with a manager for the rest of the season when you know he is not going to be there next season. It will affect our chances of doing the best we can and we do have the ability in the team to be top four and we should be looking to do so by going out and attacking teams like Wigan. I do agree though, two signings would be enough to transform the team.}
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what you say is totaly right. but when you know the manager isn't going to be a sucess and never has been (unless he in 40s with time on his side)and the players are not happy. then you have to act on it otherwise we will just be sitting here again in 12 months waiting for the new man to settle the play and staff. roy will never be the right man wether it be when he was 40 50 or 60 70. his tactics are not good his training is not good. you only have to look at players and ther tired going into second half. these are men who train day in day out and sholuld be fit for 2 games a week. danny murphy said about his training. get a manager that fans have faith in and i for one will stand by him even if we getting beat for showing some good football and a will to win, apart from chelsea napoli second half and arsenal game i have not seen that from roys teams

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 14:04:10

I think Reina staying is the best news since the loss to Wigan. Tomorrow is another game another day. another loss or draw. and we will be linked with many players leaving. .just the business of being of a football fan. .

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 13:58:32

12 Nov 2010 13:45:52

So most people on here want Hodgson to go. But I'd be interested to know if those same people wanted Benitez to stay.

Both play negative football, both have made some abysmal signings, Hodgson's results this season are comparable to Rafa's last.

I'm not saying Hodgson is doing a great job and he does play down too much but at least he has dignity (which Benitez absolutely didn't), he is articulate, he doesn't constantly patronise and bumlick the fans like Benitez did (the interview he gave after last season's Reading defeat made me almost physically sick it was so disgraceful), and he plays Gerrard CM which, unless you are a complete idiot manipulated by imbeciles like Jamie Redknapp, is quite obviously his best position, not "second striker" where he has his back to goal 50% of the time.

I think Hodgson deserves a season, and hopefully if we have improved on last year we keep him. If not, fair enough, we get someone else in.

And, yada yada, Benitez won the CL in his first season. . luckily Houllier left him a team which had qualified, and he won it with nine of Houllier's players. . or Milan lost it, which is the way you have to see it if you're a realist. {ed's note - I can't speak for the others who think Roy is not the right man for the job, but I personally thought Rafa had to go.}
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I love Rafa but i think his time was up. Believe it or not i liked the appointment of Roy but since round about the Everton game my support has dwindled.

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 13:51:53

Best 11 against Stoke

……. . . . Torres. .Ngog

Aurelio. Gerrard. .Lucas. .Kuyt

Konch. . Soto. Carra. . Johnson

. . . . . . . . .Reina

Ngog must be fresh and raring to go. Good goal ratio, will want chance to prove himself and the team retains possession more and higher up the pitch when he plays.

Aurelio (when fit) has the best technique in team, can cross, dead ball specialist Hopefully Roy has watched DVDs of him playing in this position for Rafa in 2008/ 2009.

Kuyt is only player that wins headers from goal kicks, links up well from the wing joins attack unmarked and protects Johnson

Johnson must be fresh and raring to go. Despite defensive frailties, he will want to prove he is as good as Kelly defending and show he is better going forward. Can see him having a good game.

Good choice?

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 13:45:52

So most people on here want Hodgson to go. But I'd be interested to know if those same people wanted Benitez to stay.

Both play negative football, both have made some abysmal signings, Hodgson's results this season are comparable to Rafa's last.

I'm not saying Hodgson is doing a great job and he does play down too much but at least he has dignity (which Benitez absolutely didn't), he is articulate, he doesn't constantly patronise and bumlick the fans like Benitez did (the interview he gave after last season's Reading defeat made me almost physically sick it was so disgraceful), and he plays Gerrard CM which, unless you are a complete idiot manipulated by imbeciles like Jamie Redknapp, is quite obviously his best position, not "second striker" where he has his back to goal 50% of the time.

I think Hodgson deserves a season, and hopefully if we have improved on last year we keep him. If not, fair enough, we get someone else in.

And, yada yada, Benitez won the CL in his first season. . luckily Houllier left him a team which had qualified, and he won it with nine of Houllier's players. . or Milan lost it, which is the way you have to see it if you're a realist. {ed's note - I can't speak for the others who think Roy is not the right man for the job, but I personally thought Rafa had to go.}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 13:26:23

Hi everybody, roy must go ASAP coz of his tactics and his comments the players are loosing their confidence in him, i don't presonally think reina will go, he's just pushing NESV to make changes around the team, and in my opinion i don't think they will do that at least till the end of the season. And in players transfers i believe that we don't need a striker what we need is LB, RM, LM, CM and if any cash left we can go for striker. I say this coz i remember the time of alonso where the team did so great (we had 86 points behind man utd)with torres upfront and goals coming from every position. we need players that can possess the ball as well as scores from every position and above all we need a manager.

Superfan from Ethiopia

 

 

12 Nov 2010 13:24:30

Can we line up names of the would be managers to take over from HG? Its clear that this man can;t take us any further.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 13:18:55
If anyone wants to debate and defend roy , then out of curiosity (i really want to know) please answer the following

1; What will it take for you to lose faith in Roy?

2; How long do you want to give him?

3; Do you like the football we are utilising at present?

4; If it was ok to complain about H+G, Rafa's transfer dealings, etc then why can't we about roy?

If possible a name would be nice. but that's optional.

chris 1

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 13:11:08
God, look at spains team:

quad: Iker Casillas (Real Madrid), Victor Valdes (Barcelona), Jose Reina (Liverpool); Raul Albiol (Real Madrid), Alvaro Arbeloa (Real Madrid), Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid), Carles Puyol (Barcelona), Gerard Pique (Barcelona), Carlos Marchena (Villarreal), Joan Capdevila (Villarreal); Xabi Alonso (Real Madrid), Sergi Busquets (Barcelona), Santi Cazorla (Villarreal), Andres Iniesta (Barcelona), Xavi (Barcelona), Javi Martinez (Athletic Bilbao), Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal); Pedro (Barcelona), David Villa (Barcelona), David Silva (Manchester City), Fernando Llorente (Athletic Bilbao), Fernando Torres (Liverpool), Juan Manuel Mata (Valencia).

not bad eh!

harry5:)

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 13:07:45
12 Nov 2010 12:32:59

I was going to ask what the capacity of the Britannia Stadium is but I think we all know!

Let's hope we don't have to ask their fans for an opinion!
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are you refering to that benitez intertiew. lol
if no one else has seen it, look on youtube

harry5:)

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 12:57:43

.renia
m.kelly j.carragher d.wilson p.koncheskey
g.johnson s.gerrard lucas m.jarvis
k.honda f.torres

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
TO THE POSTER - THE ONLY CHANGE ID MAKE WUD BE MEIRELES INSTEAD OF LUCAS, BUT IM GLAD TO SEE SUM 1 AGREE WITH ME ON KELLY AT RB N JOHNSON RW, THOSE 2 NEW ADDITONS ARE REALISTIC AND FIT IN WIT HENRYS PLANS AND ALSO THERE WUD BE 7 HOMEGROWN PLAYERS. GUD TEAM

 

 

12 Nov 2010 12:50:01

Just looked at today's training photo's from the LFC website, the players don't look unhappy or bored!

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 12:32:59

I was going to ask what the capacity of the Britannia Stadium is but I think we all know!

Let's hope we don't have to ask their fans for an opinion!

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 11:47:14

Why the hell would reina be given a 20 mill get out clause in contract if a get clause is given i was under the impression it was big amounts to get out earlier than what they have signed for unless relegated then its a lower price. he is world class so what the hell is going on. . . plus id like to know what the hell is going on with all the 20 mill deals that going on at liverpool the last few years, many being way under valued like keano then 6 months later big lose, Alonso big understatement in his value mascherano big under value. and if riena is to go big under value. who the hell is putting the values on sales at liverpool fc. and the buys as well johnson 18 mill? no were near a 18 mill player and how much did we get from arbalowa. are football business well and truly f*cked up

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 11:39:55

If results go our way by the end of the month we could be 4th. .

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 11:32:32

With all the rumours flying around about our top players wanting to leave, I think the club need to sort it out. The takeover might have brought financial security but at the same time the unrest within the squad seems to be getting worse. I know a lot of it's just anti-Liverpool tabloid talk, but with the Reina story I think there could be something in it. NESV have to take decisive action and sack Hodgson ASAP, persisting with him is only damaging the club, the fans don't want him and the players don't want him. I'm fed up hearing from the old fool about how great his record is and what a great result a draw is against weaker side. I hope he can add to his, record the worst Liverpool manager ever.

He's lucky I don't own the club or i'd of sacked him on the spot for putting Poulson on for Kuyt against Wigan

PAND

 

 

12 Nov 2010 11:31:32

On the Roy Hodgson debate, I would add this:

Everyone will agree that the most important thing is to get the most positive overall future for LFC.
All we disagree about is what is the best way to get that, so let's remember our overall aim is the same here, and we are on the same side.

With that in mind, I would say that you need to look at the overall picture, and try to predict what is going to cause the greatest damage to LFC's future- whether RH stays, or goes?

Now some of this is rumour, I admit, but its all we have, and the risk of damage if those rumours are true is too great to just ignore them. So you have to think about those rumours, and also you have to accept that Ed has some good sources and is an honorable man.

So, what is the damage if he stays?
1. Rumour has it that we will lose Reina for sure, plus Agger, pacheco and a few others. Lets remember the value of Reina is not just as a world class keeper, because you can buy replacements, but his value is also as a very positive team-oriented character, who is good for morale and who has shown great loyalty to LFC also.
2. There is also unrest about Roys methods among other players, but they are pros, and they cannnot risk going public, and LFC having a public face showing internal divisions and strife.
3. The next damage prediction is just my own opinion, but if RH stays, we will not make top 4 this season- I believe it is simply impossible using his methods. Look at the first half against Chelsea again- we were bright at times, but we did not dominate, and we owe the win more to Torres' genius than our skill in defending.
In other words, in my own view things are not getting better quickly enough to make us top 4 contenders this season- which is a shame because I think we could have been- and may still be with a different manager.

4. Long-term damage: Not getting a CL spot has all sorts of financial costs, and will limit club profits, and probably funding next season; maybe the stadium plans will be affected, etc. Its hard to say, but its a BIG loss of revenue and will have a major impact on available funds next season.

5. Two successive seasons out of CL will make LFC look much less attractive. Top players will really question the club's long term future, and the real winners- the ones we want- will be less likely to want to join the club. And its not just that new top players won't join- most of the ones we have will leave for sure. Who could blame SG if he decided to play his last few top seasons in Spain perhaps, just to have a chance at a league title to tell his kids and grandkids about?

6. The cost to LFCs global revenues could be high too, if we don't get back into the CL. Despite a decade of underperforming compared to Chelsea, LFCs global brand and image is still bigger than Chelsea's, but that will not last forever- new fans need to be brought in as older ones are lost, and without CL footie, and big names like Torres, we will gradually fade away from the world scene.

Its not just the image and financial damage we risk by keeping Roy, its the loss of the players who disagree with his methods, and the time taken to rebuild all of that.

And to be honest, there are so many long-term costs involved in not getting a top 4 spot this year that I don't know if anyone really knows them.
But certainly the club will be set back several seasons, while it rebuilds from scratch. We'll have a lot of money from the sale of Torres and Gerrard, and others too, but to rebuild a whole squad takes a long time (which is incidentally why City could still slip and let us into 4th place this season).

We don't have a crystal ball and we don't know whether Roy's methods are going to suddenly come good and produce a top 4 performing side. All we can do is judge on what we've seen so far, and how fast things are improving.
Success would change a lot of it (apart from the loss of those players like Reina who disagree with him professionally).
But here is the big question- based on everything you've seen of the team so far, and how fast they are improving (if at all), are they going to get better quickly enough to get into a top 4 spot this season? And if we changed managers, would that give us a better chance of getting there, and cause less damage to the club long term?
Personally, I think we played just as well against Arsenal as in any game since, so I don't see any improvements at all really, and even if they are coming, I don't think they are fast enough to get us a top 4 spot. I think the ' team improvements' are mostly just Torres finding form.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 11:08:21
Ed off topic but who do you think will win the Europa League this season? {ed's note - I wish I could say us, but I just can't see it, the likelihood is that one of the teams that drops out of the Champions League group stages will win.}

 

 

12 Nov 2010 10:39:25
Ladies and gentlemen, i would like to appeal to your better nature an ask to be afforded some extra time. I did initially ask for ten games but did not forsee the huge task of returning lfc to their former grandeur.Pepe needs to leave, he's always in a hurry to bowl the ball out, we need a much older keeper, experienced maybe Schmiecal, young Danni needs bulking up for his new career as a waiter. Danny Wilson, now that's a story, we're struggling to find an interpreter who doesn't drink buckfast.Dirk's had a very busy halloween period that's really taken its toll. there are some green shoots however, Ryan was all set to grab his chance against Stoke but he's got a gig Saturday night.Stevie's just starting to live up to his potential(note:must try harder) and we're working on bringing Danny Murphy back home in time for his 40th. I have appointed Christian as club captain and with the aid of our social secretary Philly Carragher they have arranged for a bonding session in the Lisbon on saturday night.
Onwards and upwards. Royston Hodgeson.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 10:18:33
To quote rafa. ."fact"
pepe reina is one of the best buys liverpool have had in the last 20 years.
his all-round consistency, enthusiasm and love for the club are so evident its makes me feel good to know that we've got someone everybody else would die for.

then we start hearing all these rumours he wants to leave. now some of it could be scare-mongering by the pro london/ manc media, but it could also be 'leaks' from the reina camp.

allegedley its all to do with the training methods and team set-up adopted by roy since he took over. and to be honest i have to agree 100% on the team set-up bit as we've playing crap (ex the chelsea and odd euro game)

now as a manager myself i wouldn't normally bow to the pressure of one individual but for pepe reina to speak up in the way he has and even roy responding the other day, it must be bad as this guy is 'mr liverpool' after carra and stevie.

as well as this others too have been mumbling about roy too and yeah there might be a sense of 'missing rafa' in there. but that just proves the point. .his methods are waaaay below rafa's, and the players who've been there 4-5 years can see it which is transpiring itself in performances.

some would say they're professional and need to get on with it but when you are used to one way for so long it will take time for them to adopt a new man's methods - even if they are wrong and crap.

to put it simply, no player is irreplaceable and there are some really good goalies out there (neuer, stekelenberg), but it's blindingly obvious what needs to happen) and it doesn't involve pepe leaving.

if Mr Henry is watching/ reading, he too will know that Roy Hodgson is not the man to lead us forward.
and if he needs any more confirmation he can do one of two things. .come on here and read the posts or even better ask king kenny cause he will speak for us

sinner786

 

 

12 Nov 2010 10:07:23

NESV seriously need to sack roy hodgson asap before the likes of torres and reina leave, reina has already stated he wants to leave and im sure nando will follow suit very shortly.All these fans backing roy hodgson sayin give him a chance. .its not the liverpool way and bla bla bla get this into your heads, We will never win anythin with roy, he plays boring defensive football, plays meireles on the right maxi on the left, makes the worst substitutions, bought konchesky and poulsen, makes stupid comments in his press conferences has a small minded attitude like he is still managing fulham.The man has never won anything as a manager he is useless and things will only get worse.He played 5 centre mids against napoli and bought on a 6th.The man needs the sack now before its too late please please please sack him NOW

 

 

12 Nov 2010 10:07:10

To the person who said this "the futures bright, the futures Hodgson" do you honestly believe that this man can steer our club back to greatness? and at the cost of most of our best players by most accounts.The man is an oaf, how people can defend him is ludicrous, we have a straight choice, keep Hodgson and lose Reina, Torres, Agger, Pacheco etc.If this is what the "in roy we trust" brigade want then fair enough you are entitled to your opinions but this man will lead us to nothing but mediocrity, we will not qualify for the champions league, we will not be able to attract big name players.I for one do not feel sorry for the man, he is a bumbling baffoon, out of his depth, losing his dressing room and losing the fans.

 

 

12 Nov 2010 09:57:48
I'm happy for Roy to play a type of football that gets us results. Playing open sexy footie isn't important at the moment. Getting further up the league into a top 4 spot is important for the future of the club & some of our better players. I also beleive we don't have the players to play an attractive type of football or the defenders to deal with a more offensive formation. I want Liverpool to win at any cost, because only by that way do you gain more confidence in the players & every one around the club. I for one didn't fancy Roy as a manager ( still don't), but I think he will be around for a while, so I guess all the negativity can't be good for anyone. Just don't let him in charge of the transfer money in January!

Ps When was the last time a player actually playing for Liverpool had to beat the boo boys? El Hadj Diouf who was a poor excuse for a human being didn't get the stick Poulsen is getting at the moment. Don't get me wrong, he is a truely awful player, but then Liverpool have had a knack over the years of picking some real stinkers over the years. He's not the first & won't be the last. Just cut him a bit of slack & don't ruin whatever confidence/ ability that he has.

The Irish Rover

 

 

12 Nov 2010 09:45:46

Hodgson asked for us to judge him after 10 games, it's now been 12 and we're looking like a mid-table team, in my opinion, he was good with a group of average players, but put him with some top-class ones, he can't handle it, so he has to go.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 09:33:06

All we need is jst a 3 world class players player and a new manager dats all

 

 

12 Nov 2010 09:16:35

When Roy first came in part of me was very very happy. I was a huge fan of Sir Bobby Robson. I sat there and thought well we are getting our own Old Statesman, someone respected by most of his peers. Yes there were more glamourous targets out there but we were going English, and man who knew what it meant to challenge for the League. Forget Europe, get us back to our rightful place.

However, Roy clearly isn't cut out for the job is he. Blood the kids, take the game by the throat and put the opposition under the cosh. His lack of support for players in certain interviews is shocking, could you imagine Jose taking the Torres diving comments from Fergie. When other managers are publicing talking about signing our players he should be saying no for sale, however we are interested in their best player.

Its dismal football we are playing, lets get back to the days of people coming to Anfield 1-0 down before they kick the ball. Get a coach who is prepared to go full out for a win, if we lose 4-3 so be it, but at least we have a go.

ChrisE

 

 

12 Nov 2010 09:00:08
I am reading an awful lot of big star names on our wishlist of players to bring in, and it would be great if we got even one of them. Let's face it, top players want to play for top teams who are competing for and winning trophies.

The current crop of top players will have seen the like of Chelsea, United and, to some extent, Arsenal always there or thereabouts year after year.

OK, Liverpool managed a very creditable 2nd place a couple of seasons ago, but apart from that even though in the top 4 we were miles away from the others.

As supporters, and I speak from my own feelings too, we think our team is a lot better than it actually is.

We must remember that it is now 20 years since we won a title, and we all know in our hearts it is not going to happen again any time soon.

We also know deep down that we are not confident we will beat any team we play. How many of us think we will beat Stoke for heaven's sake.There are no quick fixes, it will be very difficult to attract the cream of the players to LFC, so it is back to basics and try to build for the long term. Why else do you think we got RH in? Do you think any other top, top manager would want to come, when it is all about instant success. They know it won't happen like that, and they also know the mega bucks won't be there for transfers, which some managers can't do without (the special one etc., ).

In my own mind I think we are probably looking at a 4-5 year turnaround before real progress is seen.

KBL

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 08:48:46
If arsenal sign pepe the new owners will never be forgiven if man u sign him the owners need to go back to boston for their own saftey

 

 

12 Nov 2010 08:47:14
Is pepe really leaving i love pepe if he leaves hogson should go with him

 

 

12 Nov 2010 08:40:25

All you people, cut the crap with the likes of Aguero etc. We're not getting none of these players whilst this tactical illiterate moron is in charge. Reina, Agger and I believe Torres will all leave because of it. God even Raul Meireles and Joe Cole have looked unhappy as theyve both been played out of position.
GET ROY OUT NOW because he is causing massive unrest. All the heart rules head Liverpool fans who say 'hes a nice guy' and 'he deserves time, its not the Liverpool way'. Rubbish Its the Liverpool way to be challenging for trophies and play nice football and this idiotic won't produce it. ROY OUT or mid table mediocrity here we come.

CARLITO

 

 

12 Nov 2010 08:39:58

Every time I read an article in the media it refers to Liverpool striker Milan Jovanovic , has he actually played in that position this season? And Dirk Kuyt was top scorer 20+ goals a season in holland? before we splash the cash on a striker who is unproven? why don't we give them ago, you cannot say that these type of players lack desire and commitment, personally I think we need another left back before a striker.

 

 

12 Nov 2010 08:22:49

Can someone please tell me why has Danni Pancheo
got a squad number of 12 when he doesnteven get a game?
They keep talking about bringing youth in. Well we had him at youth and havent used it A great talent going to waste
Would blame hime if he decide`s to leave and play footbal else where
Problem is he will come back to haunt us.
For god sake use the kid up front with Torres
let him show how good he is

 

 

12 Nov 2010 07:44:24

12 Nov 2010 02:41:06

This is the first time i have ever disliked some LFC fans.
I cannot believe what a bunch of turn coats most of our fans are.
How can you all be saying hodgson out when he has only been in the job a couple of months?
Hodgson has inherited the squad from Rafa, and we can all see that Rafa stitched us up big time in the end.
The players Hodgson brought during the summer was with a limited budget, so we cannot complain when he doesn't sign world class players.
I am a strong believer of Roy.
You guys need to bide time and wait for 1/ 2 seasons time.
We are heading in the right direction, we will make some very good signings during January and next summer.
As he has stated, Hodgson knows that alot of current squad members are not good enough, so expect to see the following leave in either january or the summer: -
Itandje
Insua
Degen
Jovanovic
Aquilani
Babel
El Zhar
We will then see some world class players arrive, such as: -
LB - Coentrao / Tawio
LW - Mata / Arda Turan
ST - Hulk / Llorente
These players will turn us into title contenders.
We will also see a large amount of english youth join our club.
The futures bright. . the futures hodgson

TOTALLY AGREE! ! ! !
But january buys will be restricted and i think that's why Comolli has come in is to help persuade teams and players to move in january and the right players.
I think it is likely to see Matuidi and Payet come in and then maybe Honda, Hulk Afellay or Emmanuelson.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 07:33:10
TO ALL THESE GET RID OF ROY FANS.

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYONE IS GETTING SO PISSED AT ROY, HE HAS MADE A FEW MISTAKES BUT JEESE, I DONT THINK THERE IS A MANAGER IN THE LAND THAT CAN COME IN AND PLEASE YOU GUYS. LETS LOOK AT IT, WE SACK ROY, NEW MANAGER COMES IN AN THE TEAM PLAY BADLY DUE TO THE CHANGE AND DONT WIN FOR THE FIRST 5 GAMES? ?/ WHAT HAPPENS THEN, YOU ALL WILL WANT HIM OUT AGAIN (PLUS WERE BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE AGAIN). . . THERE ISNT A MANAGER IN THE LAND THAT CAN COME IN AND WIN EVERY GAME AND WIN EVERY CUP AND PLAY GREAT FLOWING FOOTBALL AND BUY ALL THE BEST PLAYERS. I CAN SEE THAT WE ARE NOT PLAYIN GREAT FOOTBALL BUT AT THE MO ISNT IT ALL ABOUT RESULTS, OK THERE NOT GREAT BUT THEY AINT THAT BAD EITHER. SURELY WE HAVE TO AGREE THAT ITS SLOWLY GETTING BETTER? ? I KNOW ALL THE WE ARE LIVERPOOL WE SHOULD BE THIS WE SHOULD BE THAT BUT NO TEAM HAS A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO BE THE BEST THEY HAVE TO EARN IT AND AT THE MIN WE HAVENT. IM PRETTY SURE THAT IF WE KEEP WITH ROY IT WILL COME GOOD, A FEW NEW PLAYERS COULD MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE AN JAN. PLUS WE CAN ALL MOAN AND GROAN BUT IF ROY IS THE MAN IN THE HOT SEAT THEN SURELY AS LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS WE SHOULD SUPPORT THE TEAM AND MANAGER? ?? PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME YOU AGREE? ? ?

 

 

12 Nov 2010 06:49:54
Ray Wilkins been let go at chelsea,

One teams lost, could be another teams gain. Liverpool should pick him up

 

 

12 Nov 2010 06:28:13

# 87' N'Zogbia manages to uncork a shot after dancing past Poulsen, but Carragher stays up before the Wigan man smashes a shot well wide of the goal.
# 86' N'Zogbia continues his outstanding work for the evening by unloading a shot that flies just wide of the goal. Great movement.
# 85' Rodallega is going to depart here with Franco Di Santo the man brought on. The former Chelsea striker could be the hero. N'Zogbia's cross is headed out by Gerrard.

# 83' Wigan with 55% of the ball compared to 45% from Liverpool. Has been an admirable response. Moses and N'Zogbia combine but his ball across goal is wasted with nobody there. Great move.

# 69' Konchesky making a timely tackle on N'Zogbia. Had to make that tackle as Cleverly took up a clever position in the middle.

# 53' Gerrard makes a superb tackle to deny N'Zogbia a shooting chance before Caldwell gets his body in the way to block a shot by Torres at the other end.

# 51' Shelvey gives the ball away, but Rodallega overhits the pass and Reina is out to clasp the ball under pressure from N'Zogbia. Fortunate there.
# 50' Foul by Konchesky on Cleverley and Wigan have a free-kick at a corner flag. N'Zogbia's delivery is headed out by Kuyt.

# 32' N'Zogbia and Carragher collide. Wigan have a corner. The visiting defender thought he was pushed, but referee says that is a corner.
# 31' N'Zogbia has the ball in the net from Rodallega's return pass, but is deemed to be offside. That was a real let-off for Liverpool. Almost the leveller.

# 28' N'Zogbia again taking the game to the visiting defence, but Rodallega is on his heels and can't latch onto the ball. Wigan suddenly right back in this match.

# 24' N'Zogbia looking dangerous. Picks out Diame, but his shot was blocked inside the box. Claims for a handball, but nothing doing. Corner to Liverpool.

# 20' N'Zogbia picks out Gomez, but his cross is too long and that ball flies over the bar. In fact, wide of the goal. Goalkick to Liverpool.


N'Zogbia really played his socks off, he is really trying to het a move to liverpool

 

 

12 Nov 2010 06:15:31

Everyone please lets get some perspective here.

The issue isn't about giving Roy time. The issue is beautiful football. Roy doesn't know what that is.

Yes he's only been in for a few games but look at it in a different way. .what has he tried to achieve in these games?

The issue is that we fans do not want to see liverpool play like this. You can give time to Roy, but for what? Do you really think he's going to change his philosophy of 30 years and suddenly become a Guardiola?

Roy is very much a defensive coach who believes in grinding 1-0s and 1-1s. . I don't care if we don't qualify for Europe. .i care that my club plays football which is a joy for me to watch every weekend. I don't wait every day of the week to watch boring football that puts people to sleep. .

so sorry, Roy, in my opinion, was the wrong option to begin with and letting him stay on will be another wrong. .two wrongs don't make a right.

Plus Roy's team setups, defensive substitutions when we need goals and his constant shouts from the touchline telling his team to 'get back!' (and let us not forget Poulsen). .Its all very wrong. Its not Liverpool.

And the Pundits say the same

I think Roy's position as manager is indefensible.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 03:38:44

What with Torres and Reina soon to be leaving and Mascherano gone, it looks like Raffa's built team is crumbling and were left with the likes of poulson. Aaaggghh, WTF has happened? We are a mid table team at best and I'm flipping peeee'd

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 03:07:33
I cannot believe that Roy Hodgson sent Aquilani to Juventus and took Poulsen for £4.5 million . Big managerial mistake , Juventus must be laughing all the way to the bank this season .

Aquilani , last season in 18 Premier League games created 6 assists and 1 goal , only Gerrard created more goals (7 assists in 33 appearances) Benayoun was next with 5 assists . Funny how Aquilani and Benayoun were under used last season .

Incidently last season , Insua assisted more goals than Lucas & Mascherano put together (Insua assisted 5 goals) and Aurelio assisted the same amount of goals as Lucas and Mascherano put together (Aurelio assisted 3 goals) .

Aquilani is a talent - Meireles is a Talent . We need this quality of player in our midfield to succeed .

1977

{Editor's Note: Aquilani does not want to play for Liverpool - iy is nothing to do with RH.}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 02:40:14
The performance has to be about Attacking . The match has to be about LFC Attacking intent .

We can only look forward to Attacking play .

All too much attention is being placed upon strategically negative open play , or a disciplined game situation , that is the stuff that should only go on behind the scenes .

We need to support a very real Attacking Team .

1977

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 02:25:51

Ed, i think its the last day in the clause of roys contract tommorow to allow him to leave at a cut price.
please god can he leave. i pray. but don't see it happening!

harry5:) {ed's note - I don't either, I don't see a natural replacement, a new man to come in, available, other than Dalglish and I am sure NESV won't want to appoint him.}

 

 

12 Nov 2010 02:23:03

All you 'so called' Liverpool fans wanting Roy Hodgson out already should be ashamed. We are only 12 games into the season with a new manager and new owners, and all this after a terrible last campaign and everybody seems to be expecting over night success?!
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I don't think everyone wants overnight success but Roy has shown his tactical philosophy and the fans are not happy. He's had a few results go his way, especially recently, but has also shown:

- he has a defensive mentality
- would rather settle for draws than take a risk for a win
- does not know how to change the match with positive subs (except the obvious SG sub vs Napoli)
- is poor with buying players
- and, most of all, does not encourage the team to play attractive, exciting football.

If I'm wrong on the above, tell me. If you want LFC to grind out 1-1 draws against the likes of Wigan in the hope that enough of them will get us into the Top 4, then Roy's the man. Most people, I believe, would like to see us playing an attacking brand of football with tactical awareness governed by a man who can spot weaknesses mid-game and make inspired adjustments.
Nice bloke. .just in the wrong job. And after 4 months of showing us what he can do. . . . HE HAS TO GO! !

Cozinoz

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 02:19:15
If Reina wants to leave let it be. No players bigger than club.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 01:57:40

My dream liverpool team:
reina
ramos
pique
chiellieni
lahm
robben
gerrard
schweinsteiger
ribery
torres
higuain

subs:
lloris, mata, banega, lukaku, aguero, hazard, honda, affelay, hulk, turan(thats right no sub defenders)
total spent probly 200-400m.reina torres n gerrard probly only ones id keep sell the rest.thats the quality liverpool need to win everything DORSET RED

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 01:54:54
Stoke will probably Etherington and either Pennant / Tuncay or Walters on the wing - playing 4-4-2 .

If Roy Hodgson lines the team up in anything less than 4-4-2 with pace and 2 quality midfielders he is not trying hard enough .

There will be absolutely no need whatsoever for a defensive midfielder .

Both teams playing 4-4-2 , the class and extra quality of LFC has to tell .

1977

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 01:46:21
All this talk about LFC players being exhausted . The club has a sophisticated sports science team employed to monitor such things , therefore the team picked for a game ought to be a team of fresh players .

1977

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 01:43:58
Team for Stoke - Let's go for it .


. . . . . . . . . . . . . .Reina. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. . . . Johnson. . Kelly. . Skrtel. . Mavinga. . . .

. . . . . . . . Gerrard. . . . .Meireles. . . . . . . . .
. Babel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jovanovic.

. . . . . . . . . . . Kuyt. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Torres. . . . . . . . . . .


Let Stoke worry about the pace and goal threat of our wide players , the creativity in midfield and the partnership of 2 strikers .

Stoke will probably play 4-4-2 using 2 wingers supplying 2 target men .

We can be bold against them .

1977

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 01:36:44

Regards the debate on if its right or wrong to want Woy out, let me present a very basic logic to base opinion on. . . .

Our club is at one of the most crucial points in its history where it desperately needs new direction and dynamism to move forward. The opportunity is there, as Chelsea are getting old, Man U are skint and Wenger is still at Arsenal.

Nice guy he may be and I do feel for him, but Woy gets paid masses of money and would get the kind of payout which most of us fans would have to work decades to make.

So what would we rather. Big decisions taken NOW for the benefit of our club, or half hearted steps taken so now to be unfair to a Manager who had zero history with LFC until 4 months ago?

Come on doubters. Its a no brainer surely!

Ed, Blair, Red Lenin. Do I speak speak sense?!?!

Red Gart {ed's note - well I think you do, but not everyone sees it the same way, but then it would be a bit boring if we did all see everything the same way!}
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I obviously agree Red Gart but i've been reading all the posts today. The ones for Roy and the ones against and as usual makes for fantastic reading. So if we all agreed that Roy should go then what are we going to talk about mate the X-Factor?

We can't talk about how well certain players are playing and how well the gaffer's doing. Because it's just not happening at the momment for whatever reason (the manager).

Roy asked all LFC fans to "judge him after 10 games". It's been 12 games we are 9th, playing the worse football i've ever seen, players are looking out etc.

So this is just my own opinion after 12 games never mind 10 (as Roy wanted).

F*ck off Roy!

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

12 Nov 2010 01:36:30

To the guy who wants to take his brother to the kop for a match.

There is plenty of chance mate check the web site for the games. Midweek matches are a good chance to go due to people working and not being able to make the game. Apply got a fan card p well from the website, it dosent cost much and the the tickets go on sale to fan card holders day earlier than general sale. You can get tickets from special ticket companies although they may cost a fair bit more than they should.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 01:31:39

Ed, Blair, Red Lenin. Do I speak sense?!?!

Red Gart {ed's note - well I think you do, but not everyone sees it the same way, but then it would be a bit boring if we did all see everything the same way!}

Thanks Ed. The Mrs is in full snorring mode (and shes american) so I felt like getting up and ranting. Glad someone is out there for some solidarity! {ed's note - lucky woman! I would love to be snoring right now.}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 01:15:13

Regards the debate on if its right or wrong to want Woy out, let me present a very basic logic to base opinion on. . . .

Our club is at one of the most crucial points in its history where it desperately needs new direction and dynamism to move forward. The opportunity is there, as Chelsea are getting old, Man U are skint and Wenger is still at Arsenal.

Nice guy he may be and I do feel for him, but Woy gets paid masses of money and would get the kind of payout which most of us fans would have to work decades to make.

So what would we rather. Big decisions taken NOW for the benefit of our club, or half hearted steps taken so now to be unfair to a Manager who had zero history with LFC until 4 months ago?

Come on doubters. Its a no brainer surely!

Ed, Blair, Red Lenin. Do I speak speak sense?!?!

Red Gart {ed's note - well I think you do, but not everyone sees it the same way, but then it would be a bit boring if we did all see everything the same way!}

 

 

12 Nov 2010 01:14:23
I still believe in Ryan Babel .

1977

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 00:59:52
LFC have scored 9 goals in 6 Premier League home games this season .

2 against Chelsea
2 against Blackburn

and 2 in the other 4 Anfield matches .

They really have to so something about the teams attacking intent .

1977

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 00:58:24

Im hearing to sides to this rh debate and people are saying turn coats and all the rest of it but yous are saying have faith how can you have faith in some one who has already bought koncheski and poulsan and wanted carlton cole and shaun wright phillips is now linked along with every other player who scores our is nearly out of contract in my eyes he is geting lots wrong im not saying i know more our i would do a better job but meireles gets played out of centre midfield were he is best and is a great player and will get better even joe cole is no good wide but to be fair gerrard is back to his best position and he is giving the kids a go shelvey and kelly they he is playing shelvey out of position as well i know it is good to be able to play in different positions but lets get confidence going fist in the position he feels best in i know we should be supporting roy but he does things that puzzle me like benitez did and i carnt be going through the same thing i went through near the end with benitez even though he gave me the best night of my life he gave me some bad days aswell a good few so for me he is not the man for lfc andnever will be wat u think ed {ed's note - that is how I see it too, I think he is just not the right man to take the club forward for the future. I want to enjoy watching us play once more, I haven't done that since the Roy Evans' days!}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 00:49:58

Leave roy hodgson alone, give him time, every body in the world make mistakes, nd we learn from our mistakes, if liverpool should continue like this we are gone be great, by next season we r gone be wonderwullllll liverpool I love you

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 00:26:25
When replays of the Bootroom's European Cup Final goals are shown on te television , it appears to be the product of a good attacking move , however the team are playing like that from the first minute to the last - always attacking , always working as a team looking for the right pass and appreciating the ball with players overlaping oneanother from full back through midfield beyond the strikers .

Very impressive .

1977

 

 

12 Nov 2010 00:26:22

All you 'so called' Liverpool fans wanting Roy Hodgson out already should be ashamed. We are only 12 games into the season with a new manager and new owners, and all this after a terrible last campaign and everybody seems to be expecting over night success?!

- - - -> i always have given the managers backing and would do the same to roy normally. however, the simple fact that he is making the players that we need to become successful again unhappy means that he has to go. if we support roy all season, ok we might just about qualify for europa league but then torres and reina will be gone and sub standard replacements acquired. we need a manager who keeps the players happy and plays attractive football which is how our support should be rewarded. ynwa.

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 00:12:15

A guy earlier saying he was ashamed of some fans due to the way they are treating hodgson. I feel both sides have a fair point here. Roy is negative, especially away from home but i do remember a certain rafa capitulating when we were only one down and taking off torres. I personally will support roy while he is in charge but i agree with the majority in that he is not the right man for the job and we should find someone else. On to poulson though can anybody think of a player that came straight from the italian league and had a good season in the epl. I cant. Aqua was starting to show signs. A quick qiestion before i sign off would you rather a decent tactician ie. Mourino. Or a manager who will play football. Ie hiddink. Me personally would love to see hiddink in charge. Ed. Cheers for the reply about Carroll on last post but i still think there is no place in football for knobs like barton. In any other profession where kids and comunity look up to you for examples on how to behave he would have been booted never to serve again. Wouldn't be upset of something horrible happened to him. {ed's note - I completely agree on Barton, him and his family would be no loss to the world if they never existed!}

 

 

 

 

12 Nov 2010 00:09:05

Roy needs more time for things to settle and for some money in jan. so he he address the striker position , a winger and maybe a decent centre or a decent defensive rb . johnsons good going forward .
anyway Rafa Benitez had a lot of poor results in the first half of his first season. we finished fifth . we won the champions league and this glossed over all of Rafa, s poor league runs. we always struggled to get 4t under rafa . as it stands were no further of fourth spot this year than last year . actually we look more likely to challenge for 4th at the moment than we ever did last year . some new faces in january . plenty of good support at the games. and things will be good, . .theres problems in store for all the teams this year . everyone is going to lose and draw games this year . liverpool had a tuff fixture list to start with . liverpool will get 4th as long as the current squad keeps focued and works on having a good team spirit till xmas. then bring in 3 or 4 top quality players. and we will be on fire after january . give roy some time. he, s English. .foreign managers just fill the youth system with foreign players. its english players we need. we need to start getting the best of the english players again. british isles players who understand the game.