Liverpool Banter Archive October 12 2014

12 Oct 2014 19:26:24
Eds reds, even though I, like others on here, have criticised the transfer policy, it looks to me br is building a team after this one already. The number of 19 or 20 yr olds already bought, comeing through and out on loan is considrable. The future, if all or most, work out could be great. However, the present couldve been dealt with far better.

12 Oct 2014 19:38:58
According to most all of em are getting brendaned ;-)

I think you are spot on. The future looks very, very promising, but the present could have been better prepared for.

Red Rum

Our team in a few years could already be brilliant if certain players reach the potential they have

Mignolet/ Flanagan, ilori, Sakho, Moreno/ henderson, Lallana, can/ Sterling/ Origi, Sturridge

And the likes of coutinho will be even better too!

Trust me mate, if the club's present does not yield satisfactory results, there will be no young superstars like Sterling and Origi to rely on in future because they will leave for greener pastures. All footballers go where the success is, do u really expect some of the finest young players in the world to just hang around for the team to mature as a whole when they could just go to Real, Barca, Bayern and win more trophies?

13 Oct 2014 05:20:45
Toby

I am sorry, But you have no clue of what u are saying mate.
80% of the names you mentioned has every chance to move out the club.

So Migs need another 2 years to improve?

God save us.

13 Oct 2014 06:34:51
Harry
80% of 11 = 8.8
Rounded off to 9
Now which of those 9 players will be moving? Enlighten us

13 Oct 2014 07:03:42
Reet

How many would stay with no CL next season

How many would need to be sold to balance the book

I could guess a name not in the list by sheer logic.

Brendan Rodgers. No CL means serious consequences

13 Oct 2014 07:23:08
Even if we take those variables into account I can see only
Sakho ilori Sterling and perhaps moreno at a stretch

13 Oct 2014 07:50:18
Reet

All those names would defo increase the debts or loss from X to X+10.

Be Happy.

12 Oct 2014 16:30:18
Harry

your reply regarding the isl came over to the rumors page. Better of we take that discussion to the isl page

12 Oct 2014 16:13:40
Thought I'd post a small piece on one of my favourite players and one of the men I modelled my own playing style off Xabi Alonso
So here goes
First off I'd like to say i think resigning Xabi especially at that price would have been well worth it. there are just so many positives to signing him
Cheap tranfer fee, knows the club and culture fron his time here, brings a wealth of experience and knows how to win, would have been great for young lads like Rossiter and Can and maybe even the senior lads like Allen and Hendo cold have picked up a thing or two.
As always though there would have been negatives
First off i imagine he's on quite a substantial wage packet but the important part is we'd find the same problem we are having with Gerrard as the anchor man: mobility. I think most people noticed his lack of it starting to show for real last season and even Pep employs Alaba and Lahm with him in the midfield who are two supreme athletes to do most of the leg work for him. I do belive he would suit the role better than Stevie though as his reading of the game for that position is miles better.
So all in all i thin we should have signed him but he wouldn't be the saviour to all our DM issues like some are makin out

Didnt alonso just break the bundlesliga record for most distance covered in a match?

12 Oct 2014 19:17:03
Fency

Yes. He did, Along with another 2. Most successful tackles and successful passes.

The last time I checked, the Bundesliga is a pretty slow league in terms of pace of play. Even the Ed01 said so. Hence, I would take the so-called ground covered w/ a pinch of salt. Love him as a player, regardless.

13 Oct 2014 05:51:01
Redohio

Bundles league isn't slow, infact it's the best league around the world.

I know where you are coming from. Alonso was a player worthy of a bid at this age.

13 Oct 2014 13:54:19
Hang on, what difference does the speed on the league make when talking distance covered? It's not like he had 180 minutes,
Fair play to Xabi, would have loved him here but well done to the lad for extending his career at the highest level.
Not many players leave liverpool for bigger and better things! He got it!

Did I miss somewhere where the assumption has come from that Alonso would ever have turned down Pep and Bayern to move back to LFC? A big romantic assumption that I'm glad wasn't put to the test.

Yes, the speed of the league DES matter which is THE reason why IMO, Morientes (great player but lackd the burst of pace to make it in the PL) didn`t make it at LFC while on the other hand, he was beast at Monaco (led them to the CL final in 2004) in a french league that is much slower than the PL. That`s why some players from slower leagues make it in the PL (Torres, for example b4 he lost his pace) due to their ability to adapt while others simply can`t cut it due to their lack of pace or inability to adapt (see Morientes) Also, ED01 agrees w/ me that the Bundesliga is slower and that`s why Huntelaar IMO, wouldn`t mak it wat lfc or the PL especially at his age.

Also, Alonso has clearly moved on w/his career and from u hence like mature people, we need to move on as well.

Sorry, I meant "us" and not u or you.

12 Oct 2014 16:02:09
Well done Liverpool Ladies.

{Ed002's Note - Try not to be rube about the other posters.}

12 Oct 2014 17:40:19
Well done ladies especially Amanda dacosta babe.

12 Oct 2014 14:25:56
When it comes 2 our transfer policy i'm very lost. We would not pay 12mil for Salah who is a wonderful young player yet we over spend paying 20mil for Markovic?? We bought a problem hazard in Balotelli for 16mil yet turned down Remy and Bony who'd be better additions and were very much available?? I could go on but it won't get better just more depressing.

12 Oct 2014 14:43:57
What has exactly salah done? If we had not signed markovic you'd be saying how cheap the owners are and how we missed out on a top young player

12 Oct 2014 14:45:50
Just what has salah accomplished in the league that would make him a much better signing than markovic. And remy and bony weren't nearly as good of value as balotelli. Remy was much cheaper sure, but he has injury concerns and really isn't that good.

Get off balotellis back; I've been satisfied, not overly pleased, but satisfied with his performances, and his work rate has been good. Give Markovic and the new signings a chance before you go mad.

Reet, I doubt there is a single supporter on this site or indeed anywhere who would jab complained if we hadn't signed Mark vic. Because nobody knew him . No disrepexct to the player at all and I'm sure all fans hope he becomes a class act for us but that was a daft point.

Actually I think it's worth discussing the point rather than criticising the poster for a valid point. Ok William wanted more money and I guess Sarah wanted CL and London and money but there are some weird transfers that have been done and others that didn't happen. Let's discuss

12 Oct 2014 15:55:28
Mcgoveb
Let me jog your memory to Konoplyanka. 90% people had not seen him but were furious when we failed to sign him in January

12 Oct 2014 16:08:02
Reet

I have seen him play, He is a matured and experienced winger, Very Direct and has a good record.

Reet, Kono was playing a lot more football and at international level where he was considered the best attacking player, Mark was a Chelsea project considered too far off premier level by the club who are dominating the league this year.

Salah was bought by Mourinho because of how good he is and this anti footballing tactic to buy a player that you don't need as long as a strong opposing team doesn't have him makes sense to Chelsea.

Y2k3, you must have taken a knock on the head during a recent Judo session.

12 Oct 2014 18:29:31
Think it's a bit harsh to say no one had seen kono play, especially considering i'd imagine a lot of LFC fans are England fans and saw him cause problems in both games against them (scoring an amazing goal as well). Have seen him play a few times and believe he'd have been a great signing.

As for Salah dunno what happened with our attempt for him. But a bit harsh to criticise him for chelsea as firstly different styles suit different players (eg mata) And he does ace to compete for places against hazard, Oscar, schurle, and Willian.

12 Oct 2014 18:41:44
Y2k3
Paranoid about Chelsea and mourinho are u? Wonder what Ed002 thinks of your reply?

{Ed002's Note - I have answered that Chelsea did not buy Salah to stop Liverpool buying Salah. I have explained the reason why Salah did not move to Liverpool before and have no interest in causing further embarrassment to the club and Mr Rodgers at this time.}

This is what annoys me with certain posters and their "opinions". We should have signed A over B because A would have been better. HOW THE F DO YOU KNOW THAT? You only say that because you can see that B is struggling hence, AUTOMATICALLY player A would have been better, right? WRONG! Also, what if A was signed over B like some wanted from the start and he starts struggling, the very same people would likely be saying that B should have been signed hence in the end, such people are never wrong. Those aren`t opinions, that`s utter nonsense with no logic behind it.There is no science to transfers and how they work because in the end, any transfer is a roll of the dice and hope it pans out REGADLESS of the scouting report. We sign who we sign and we move on and hope he pans out. PERIOD! All thes could/should crap is pointless and if that`s how people think then they should NEVER get close to becoming player scouts.

12 Oct 2014 19:20:37
Y2K3

Sorry mate, That's a poor reply, Chelsea bought him at the very last moment After selling Mata. We had close to 4 months to get the deal done and We blew it.

He is a very good player and would have been an excellent addition in Jan ( Provided No pressure, As Suarez and Sturridge were on fire and would have settled into the team very well)

Reet

BR found Salah not up-to the mark for the 11 mill and shelled out 20 mill for Markovic??

12 Oct 2014 19:37:35
Maybe the transfer committee took the decision on salah. Br just spoke unnecessary stuff in the press.
Bottom line is both of us don't know and we are just guessing

{Ed002's Note - No - and done to death.}

12 Oct 2014 19:29:03
Redohio

Quiet agree with your post, But there are plenty before choosing a player. Scouts and Scouting teams are paid for it.
Transfer could always be a hit or miss. But an Experienced Manager and proper committee would get at-least 60% transfer right.
We have been below 10% mate. and that's the fuss.

12 Oct 2014 20:44:14
I'm only questioning why we spent over £50m on young talent despite having a group of young talent available from our academy instead of spending less on a few experienced/mature players to bridge the gap and let the youngsters have a chance to prove themselves?

Yeah yeah, excuse me for being silly but chelsea could afford any other player to put on the bench but chose our main target. Tottenham does the same not so long ago buying dempsey then benching him when we were interested.

{Ed002's Note - Don't be ridiculous, other clubs care not for what Liverpool do. If Salah was the main target why did the club offer only a derisory (laughable) amount and why did Rodgers make one of his most significant and ignorant gaps?}

If you want the player, offer a decent amount for him and negotiate a fee in-between. Offering laughable offers for players who don`t want to play for you to begin with, is down right stupid and amateur. BR dealing w/ the press on the Salah issue? No comment!

13 Oct 2014 05:53:43
Ed002
In agreement with you here. It's embarrassing to read some of these conspiracy posts and "mourinho bought salah to blah blah " posts.

13 Oct 2014 07:55:11
Reet

Shows how much Frustuated people are with our transfer policy.

12 Oct 2014 11:29:18
Eds reds, most of us have been critical of the cbs performances. If you had the chance which cbs would you pick, recall off loan or sign? Realistically!

{Ed001's Note - Ilori back.}

12 Oct 2014 13:01:06
Bang on Ed01. But would have defo bring a DM to protect the CB

12 Oct 2014 13:29:16
Ilori

Iiori is a class act, i hope he doesn't get the idea in his head that we don't really want him.

12 Oct 2014 13:53:52
Ed01, reet, boom, completly agree with, although I was guilty during the window, of trying to think of a fast footballing cb and we had him already!!, another from boom, dcm, alonso I think we've all agreed on, a massive miss!, cheers redmen.

I think young Jones needs more first team time as well, he looks very good.

@Boom, I think our defenders need to be taught how to defend at set pieces then maybe we will concede less goals.

Agree with Ed001 that someone like Ilori would suit the high defensive line perfectly as he has loads of pace. Skrtel may well be gone at the end of the season as I think his contract is up in 2016 and doubt Skrtel will be interested in a short term agreement as FSG will not be offering him a long term contract.

I believe our CB pair right now should be Lovren and Sakho. Hopefully Ilori is with us next season. Luckily he is getting valuable 1st team experience.

Harry got it spot on. Instead of investing in more CBs, BR should have used Ilori and Sakho as first choice with Skrtel for competition, and signed a world class CDM to provide cover to them. All of them are very good players, but made to look bad bcoz the current coaching setup in terms of defense is a joke.

Ed do you see illori being given a chance at Liverpool ? He has impressed during his 2 loan spells and surely deserves an opportunity in our team . His pace would allow us to hold a higher line . I just think he suits our system to a tee

{Ed001's Note - I would hope so, but there has been no sign of him getting anywhere near the first team yet.}

So to all you guys, I haven't seen a lot of Ilori so am wondering where you guys have seen him to be so enamoured with his quality that he would be so much better and more comfortable than our current playing CB (You too Eds)?

If he is so good why hasn't BR kept him and given him a chance. This is the same manager who so many rave about as a master coach and great at bringing the best out of young players so if that is the case what's the story with Ilori.
Again I haven't seen him so can't vouch for his speed, reading of the game, defensive skills etc etc so please tell me why so many cry our for him to play CB for us.
Thanks for your help.

{Ed002's Note - I see him extraditing himself from the massive error of moving to Liverpool and kicking his career off again elsewhere.}

12 Oct 2014 15:59:55
Max1981

Fair reply mate, Yes our CB needs to learn dealing with Corners and Set pieces, But don't you agree, Its also a GK responsibility to command his line very well.

Have you ever seen Migs coming out for a long ball?. Never I have seen that.

12 Oct 2014 16:56:07
Have to agree with Ed002 there. I'd be amazed if Ilori is still here next season.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if any of our signings from last summer will be here after next summer.

12 Oct 2014 16:54:55
Ed002, as a club have we gone as far as we can with BR, just your opinion?

{Ed002's Note - Not at all. I think he needs some help. In my view the club needs to (a) step back from making what appear to be a large number of changes for the sake if it. (b) They need to decide how to work with the players they have. (c) They need to do a check on the players out on loan to see if they want to be, or want to be considered as part of the club. (d) They need to get assistance in to help do any minor re-shaping of the squad that they will use going forward. (e) That assistance needs to work with a coaching team going forward - it may mean replacing one or two of them. It should, at the highest level, be a professional at working in such a role - it may not be anyone that you have heard of and certainly should not be any "Liverpool" legends. If they want jobs for "Liverpool legends" I recommend match day hosts and, particularly liaison for players who are on loan from the club. Ex-players do well with younger players (say U15)in my experience. (f) Very carefully pick one ex-player who can act as liaison to the players who are trying to settle at the club. I am aware of two who are struggling and have mentioned this to friends who are players at previous clubs. I know this is important to other clubs and an area Liverpool could improve. (g) Get BR some communication skills coaching.}

12 Oct 2014 19:26:33
I think the player liaison thing the club really needs to try out. I think Chelsea do it. Never hear about any of their loan players unhappy

Ed the two players you mentioned who are struggling to settle in are they Canos and Pedro chirivella by any chance?

{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}

Seems to me that no matter what combination we use at CB, it's never right, in both present and previous partnerships over the last three years or so.

We've bought some good individuals who have come with either reputations or shown they can excel in the premier league already, yet as soon as they start out for us, they seem to struggle.

So apart from the raised expectation, what other common denominators? For me it's tactics and coaching

BR needs to suck it up and get some experienced coaching staff who can resolve this problem.

13 Oct 2014 05:29:19
Marshy

IMO, we need a world class GK. Terry is 36 and Cahill is a decent player. But two players make them the best pair.
Czech and Matic.

13 Oct 2014 07:27:31
Terry is 33

13 Oct 2014 05:52:51
Bravo Ed002, Good analyis!

13 Oct 2014 05:53:04
Nice symbols there Ed002 :)

{Ed002's Note - It seems I have been using the kiddie version of the site again today.}

12 Oct 2014 05:23:39
Ed002, I notice you keep making sarcastic references towards Origi. I understand Ted tends to over egg the pudding with cliches and for bulling players up but what's your angle with the sarcasm?

Is it merely a tongue in cheek 'running with Teds proverbs' or is it that you see him as the usual Alberto, Aspas, Borini type waste of money?

{Ed002's Note - I have made no sarcastic comments towards Origi at all. Give me an example.}

12 Oct 2014 09:45:31
only time will tell if he's a waste or not, i'm not overly convinced of BR`s perception of whos a good player or bad as it goes.
Hes bought lots of players but delivered very little in quality terms.
Answer me this, if you owned a Porsche garage would you loan out your cars to everyone else who agrees to put the petrol in.
That's what we seem to do, no wonder we will never be in profit with very very poor decisions being allowed.
And the porshe guy would be skint too lol.

12 Oct 2014 09:55:30
Origi is just 19, Long way to be a finished article IMO.

Boom he would still add a lot to our current squad . Would certainly offer more than balotelli is at the minute . This lad is a brilliant striker of the ball, strong and quick . Has all the attributes needed to succeed at the highest level . Let's hope we can develop and hone his obvious talent

12 Oct 2014 13:08:56
Ozone I have to advocate foe Ed002 here. He has never taken a swipe at Origi. Ed002's justifiable annoyance in this situation is at Brenda who is touting him as 'world class' even before Origi has had a chance to establish himself in the Liverpool team. Am I correct in saying Foot in mouth again Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - I really see it that way TBA. It is OK to say that a player "looks a really good prospect and we will be working with him" but to come out and tell journalists that the club see him as potential "world class" when they know near nothing about a kid is plain stupid to me.}

Brendan's Advocate; hence the question for Ed 'are you being sarcastic or just running with a bit of tongue in cheek Ted humour?'

{Ed002's Note - I have done no more than reflect the opinion of the coaching staff at Liverpool. The kid is a 19 year old who came good at the world cup and edged out Lukaku - the player Liverpool supporters have been drooling over the past three years. He is a young kid who needs experience (this loan will help) and then a pre-season with Liverpool. Maybe the manager at the time could take a view?}

BR does seem to be running his mouth a lot. He has put Origi under a lot of pressure even before he has kicked a ball for us. The kid is 19 for heaven's sake, give him time to develop as a player. Just another stupid remark by BR to deflect attention from his under performing summer recruits, i really do not see him as the LFC manager come the start of next season.

I'm not having a go here by the way Ed, I respect your opinions and views. I've taken your comments as just Ted getting some tongue in cheek but then again I did wonder whether you knew a bit about him and had an opinion, maybe seeing him as consistent with the usual Rodgers transfer standards.

{Ed002's Note - See above Ozone.}

Do I spot an inference in your reply that Brendan may not be around to see Origi's supposed fruition bear fruit Eds 002?

{Ed002's Note - Probably just a slip of the finger.}

Manager at the time Ed 😉

'Bookies slash odds on The Owl being next Liverpool manager after Ed'002's slip of finger on Liverpool Rumours website' I can see the headlines now folks. Only Saladin can help us now. lol

12 Oct 2014 18:36:51
{Ed002's Note - I understand that such an offer for Higuain was speculated about in the summer as you suggest JGS92, but since then Liverpool moved for Balotelli and have the apparently effervescing Origi yet to arrive - with no shortage of forwards at the club. To be honest, I would think there is little or no chance of Higuain arriving at Anfield in January.}

Just a flavour of some of your recent comments Ed002, there have been others. Is there any need to use certain adjectives before his name. If there wasn't an angle on it Ed, wouldn't the name Origi suffice. Brendan's advocate, get your head out the proverbial lad.

{Ed002's Note - Your issue is what. Origi has been doing very well and scoring goals at club level. The Liverpool fans are fickle and simply want change. As far as I can tell there is a move by many fans to break away in to factions: (a) Those obsessed where players stand at kick off 4-3-1-2, 4-4-2, etc.. (b) Those obsessed by changing as much of the squad as they can each window as they believe this is the way forward. Six months transition not a whole year - they have the answer all have been seeking. (c) Finally there are the small remainder who are interested in the football. Right now it is you and Waro in this category of weirdness.}

No issue you Ed, just seeking clarity on the matter. Given Rodgers track record I'm a bit dubious of incoming transfers. I spoke first hand with a fella in Portugal whilst on holiday, Portp season ticket holder, he gave me the run down on Markovic, I noted your comments on the said player in terms of Chelsea's view. Married the two opinions together and hey presto the outcome was spot on. Consequently I was just seeking a bit of clarity as to whether you were in the know or had an opinion on Origi or indeed quoting Ted.

{Ed002's Note - I appreciate it O.}

Ozone If you don't agree with my stance/opinion can you not articulate it in a more dignified way. I own my opinions and don't need to kiss anyone's 'preverbial' as my first ever post will decree.

13 Oct 2014 05:53:24
Ed002, you are in midseason form already with your comments. Spot on!

12 Oct 2014 05:22:04
Whilst its quiet, can anyone what Emre Can is like? What are his strength and weaknesses etc. a lot of people on here have been championing him for Gerrards spot, so i'm interested to hear the assessments of those that have seen him play(not me).

Also, for those that watch the younger teams, who do you see as our brightest prospects? Other than Rossiter who is clearly well thought of and ojo who Ed002 has declared a prospect!

I've been impressed with Adam Phillips every time I've seen him. McLaughlin before he went on loan looked interesting going forward although I've never seen anyone really have a go at him at the other end.

12 Oct 2014 08:26:11
He is a good little very young player now injured, who has been put under enormous pressure by the fans to rescue our midfield problems

Harry, i really would not describe Can as 'little.' The guy has the physique of a brute.

12 Oct 2014 12:40:01
Indian

Little was in the context of Experience.

Can is a very good young player who w/ the right people around him, will b a beast BUT like someone said, some of our fans have put so much pressure on the poor boy that they might give him the business if he doesn`t come good IMMEDIATELY.