Liverpool Banter Archive September 12 2015

 

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12 Sep 2015 21:29:29
Can't believe With all our signings and if hendo is still out, then the only chance to our midfield we can do is rossiter in.

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12 Sep 2015 22:01:32
Y do we need 10 midfielders. One reason we don't create anything apart from looking at Countinho.

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12 Sep 2015 21:00:33
Anybody else worried about Thursday's match, or do you think he'll play the fringe players who will actually give a damn?

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12 Sep 2015 21:05:58
Who are the fringe players? Our current midfield couldn't get past an old Carrick and old German. Academy players are miles better than what we had today on the pitch.

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12 Sep 2015 21:40:11
hmm

Englands first choice and world champions first choice in midfield. You are a bright boy lol.

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12 Sep 2015 21:32:52
Rubbish EG, there's no way that so many players don't perform for every game, this has to be down to the manager.
Academy players are just that, they would do worst trying to play BRs tactics so give it up on that front.
Our problem is Brendan Rogers, he bought the players, picks the team, sets out the tactics, supposed to man manage, supposed to instil confidence, should be able to read a game and be tactically astute and make changes.
5 games and just the same rubbish.
3 seasons and the same poor defending
300 million and all we hope for are wonder goals.

I'm sick of Brendan Rogers as boss of LFC, just sick of him.

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12 Sep 2015 21:55:39
Its not about giving a damn its about being given a clear strategy with which to play the game and having the correct personnel in the team to carry out that strategy.

What they don't need is a weeks worth of psychobabble and meaningless phrases with no clue as to what they actually should be doing.

I had high hopes after we made the necessary changes to the backroom team but i get the feeling they are just not trying for the bloke because they have realised what we all have known for a while now that he is way way out of his depth and needs to go.

I fear it will take another fan revolt for the owners to get the message becase the on field performances don't seem to register with them.

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12 Sep 2015 22:02:38
England's Second choice, German u21 first choice, Brazilian International here.

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12 Sep 2015 22:21:07
Mcgoveb

Milner had the captain's armband today and did nothing. Keep aside the manager for a sec, We were poor back in 2005 against Milan. You need quality in the middle to deliver so does every-time we look up at countinho to turn the things.

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12 Sep 2015 23:45:11
No we don't, EG! We need a manager who knows what he's doing and knows how to adapt to game situations. Why is it that Swansea, CP and even Leicester City play better than us? because their managers know what they're doing and have players that suit the system they wants. It's not about money or quality all the time. If you have quality players but play them in a stifling, pathetic system like BR's, they will still fail so stop rambling about issues we don't have and do so on the one issue we do have.

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13 Sep 2015 05:23:46
Redohio

You aren't getting the point. Let me break out for you.

1. Lucas - Can - Milner - Henderson. The above are a must week in week out ( They were promised roles and games )
So you would need to play others out of their positions.

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{Ed001's Note - so was Ilori, but he is now gone. Rodgers has never kept a promise in his life, he couldn't even keep his wedding vows. Milner needs to get out of the centre, he is clueless in there and the armband on his arm is a joke, he is the worst captain I can remember. His one attempt to be captain involving pointing at a guy two yards away from him looking for someone else to pick up someone he could have easily gone and dealt with himself. We are currently carrying him and we aren't good enough to do that. I can't believe people were suggesting he was better than Hendo! He is not fit to clean Hendo's boots.}

13 Sep 2015 05:53:28
Well I agreed with you through out the summer when we bought him. Posters were happy when we signed him.
BR has played him in all matches exactly what the posters wanted.
It's not about keeping / breaking promises. Milner is on a 4 year mega deal and our hands are pretty much tied to play him in the middle. I expect him to continue playing there with no output at all.
That's what happens when you ask a one dimensional non creative CM to dictate a game from the middle of the park.

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{Ed001's Note - our hands are not tied, he has no contractual obligation to play in the centre. If we had a manager worthy of the name he would be moved by now.}

12 Sep 2015 20:56:56
ED's please give us some good news. How long do we have to go with BR at the helm? poor performance after poor performance, Dare I say it, but it's becoming quite embarrassing now,
Record loss to Stoke, West hams biggest win at Anfield, In the last 2 games against the mancs they didn't have to break a sweat to win, When was the last good performance, half a match against Arsenal?even going back to last season.
If I am bad and my job I will be told I need to improve, If I don't or can't that's it I'm gone. Will the owners need to pay him off? Can they honestly just sit back do nothing?

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{Ed001's Note - I really don't expect them to act yet, though I have no idea why.}

12 Sep 2015 21:03:44
Rodgers should only be judged this season when he as all his players fit and his best team out.

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{Ed001's Note - seriously? So a manager is now not expected to manage the resources at his disposal? Ridiculous suggestion. He should be judged on his pitiful tactics regardless of the fact that despite spending nearly 300m he still can't put out a team that has a clue what they are meant to do.}

12 Sep 2015 21:04:02
Last good performance was vs. Man City on the 1st of March, imo.

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12 Sep 2015 21:07:34
Well ed1 as u say they never do what u want them to do so hopefully a bit of reverse pyschology there will make them act!

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12 Sep 2015 21:16:52
Mighty Reds, another in the line of BR apologists who make senseless comments to defend the indefensible. Your BFF is a failure and he's proving that every time. That's a fact that can be proven easily. On the other hand, your comments have no basis in fact nor reality.

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12 Sep 2015 21:18:39
Changing your manager is just trying a quick fix all the time that doesn't gurantee anything.

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{Ed001's Note - so stick with crap because it might not be better when you change it? Makes no sense. May as well have stuck with Hodgson or Souness if that is your (lack of) thinking.}

12 Sep 2015 21:18:52
I am not a big fan of BR. His tactics for the season is simple. Play through the middle so he bought tonz of CM and tonz of ACM.
Its not easy to penetrate through the middle. He would realize it soon and change it.

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12 Sep 2015 21:19:04
The end is approaching for the fraud masquerading as our manager. Top four squad, championship manager. Worst manager in my lifetime , including Souness , and even worse than Woy based on the money BR has squandered. Shameful.

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12 Sep 2015 21:51:42
However you blame BR, Our Midfield today was poor. Lucas-Can-Milner could never control a team nor dictate the tempo. I am sorry but a new manager would first shuffle the three. We were 5 in the middle and yet couldn't dominate against a 2 men UTD without Morgan.

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12 Sep 2015 21:42:34
There are rumurs FSG lost patience with our performances and results and are seriously considering having two reviews this summer or even take more extreme measures and extend BR's contract only for two years this time. They are waiting to hear from the third party they are getting advice from, aka Sir Alex Ferguson, before doing that though. They really respect his views about these matters. One thing is sure, there will not be a knee jerk reaction.

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12 Sep 2015 21:58:41
Are you for real mighty reds, 3 seasons and 300m and we shouldn't look for a quick fix. You must be a unt fan hoping we keep him so we continue to fail.

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12 Sep 2015 22:22:21
No I don't see the point of panic we are two points off fourth, I understand the anger today but any team without there captain, best player and one of the best strikers in the world would of struggled today, I am not a huge BR fan but he deserves more than 5 games this season,what I said was a change of manager guarantees nothing.

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12 Sep 2015 22:57:49
Mighty Reds. That is the worst post ever. It deserves the most disagrees this site can muster. Fsg, respect this club and free it from the arrogance of Rodgers.

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12 Sep 2015 23:16:54
No, but at least if there's a change then we might get to see encouraging signs like actually not playing our bad performers every week - Skrtel, Lovren, Mignolet (although I've no idea who replaces the GK).

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13 Sep 2015 00:01:45
@ Mighty - No Premier League team can excuse that poor a performance based on being missing Henderson and Sturridge. If that's our level without them, our level with them won't be anywhere near good enough.

Have you watched us play this season? We've been dreadful every game. We're only two points off fourth, how nice. But if we keep playing like we have so far, in a month we'll be at least five or six points off fourth, and another month after that probably ten. And at least fifteen off by Christmas.

Performances have to improve soon, or else BR needs to collect his p45.

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12 Sep 2015 23:35:45
Lads, go easy on Mighty Reds. You'll only hound him out and he'll just end up over on our page, spouting his keek.

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12 Sep 2015 23:49:34
Mighty reds:
After 5 matches we are two points behind fourth place. The way we play is only going to make the gap increase. Rodgers deserves more than 5 games you say but the problem is that adding on last season the total is now 43 (League). This might not be a problem but for the fact that there is nothing in the team to encourage the fans. We have now conceded SIX goals in two matches but we will have the same 'defenders' for the next match. What really annoys me is that the fans know that things are not right but the owners (the people who can do something) don't appear to notice. I don't know why they are involved with LFC but it is also time for them to consider whether they are suitable and what they intend to get out of the club.

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12 Sep 2015 23:51:35
Mighty Reds, you are parroting the same stuff the BR acolytes and "positive" fans said all last year until we went into free fall and got smashed by Stoke. BR deserves nothing and the owners stupidly keeping him changes nothing about it because for now, only they can tell you why they allowed this shambles to continue so stop spinning with the whole"let's stay positive" stuff. We are over it already. It's time for him to walk or we endure being the butt of all the jokes for another frustrating season. If you wanna stick with terrible perfs from a poor manager, have at it. But don't tell the rest of us not to disagree with you because based on what we are seeing, your argument has no leg to stand on as to why we should be patient with him

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13 Sep 2015 00:49:47
What I said was that a change of manager guarantees nothing Redohio. The only time for a managerial change is in the summer, but without Coutinho,Henderson and Sturridge today was always going to be tough. We was unlucky in the second half we created the better chances, poor ref decision for there first goal, people are going nuts when we should be more patient.

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13 Sep 2015 01:41:01
Mighty reds , a new manager does guarentee something a change from BR and his bad tactics what he does eason after season m he has had the money to buy the players for his system and he can't get it to work , that shows he does not have a clue , a new manager will change things for the better at 1st and then he will settle in , its a known fact when a new manager comes into a club the players all play better to impress the new man to keep their places , also a new manger will bring new ideads because the ideas of the manager we have now don't work , there is loads of things that will change with a new manage and that i guarentee

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13 Sep 2015 02:56:31
I ran out of patience around November last year, Mighty Red. I can appreciate you seem to think Rodgers is the way forward, but honestly I think you have to be trolling at this point.

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12 Sep 2015 23:29:02
Respected ED'01,

Hope you're in a good mood sir even after Ron and Mighty Red being a total pain in the backside.I just have a few question sir.Here it goes:-

1)How long will the owners put up with this dross??

2) You said that the site is monitored by LFC and many others of such kind,

Where do the information go sir??? To the owners or Ian or BR and his staff?

This is for Ron and Mighty Red,guys since we played them today,i'm going to enlighten you guys with something.

- (March 22nd 2015) LFC 1-2 UNITED

- ARSENAL 4-1 LFC

- BLACKBURN 0-1 LFC

- LFC 2-0 NEWCASTLE

- ASTON VILLA 2-1 LFC

- WEST BROM 0-0 LFC

- HULL 1-0 LFC

- LFC 2-1 QPR

- CHELSEA 1-1 LFC

- LFC 1-3 PALACE

- STOKE 6-1 LFC

- STOKE 0-1 LFC

- LFC 1-0 BOURNEMOUTH

- ARSENAL 0-0 LFC

- LFC 0-3 WEST HAM

- UNITED 3-1 LFC

W-5
D-3
L-8

*GOALS FOR -14 GOALS AGAINST - 26

* good OF -12

Now our wins came against a championship side(Blackburn),against a Newcastle team managed at that time by the self professed best manager in the PL John Carver,relegated QPR,fluke wins against Stoke and Bournemouth.

Two scoreless draws against West Brom and Arsenal.We didn't deserve both the results and especially should have lost to Arsenal.A 1-1 with Chelsea after they had already won the title.

Now to the losses,United outplayed us,Arsenal absolutely destroyed us at Emirates,embarrassed the club and it's fans against Villa,Palace and especially Stoke(worst loss in 50+years,in between we lost to relegated Hull City,coming to this season two embarrassing losses against West Ham(won after 52 years at Anfield) and United 3 times straight(conceded 8 and scored 1)

So in conclusion,I want both of you to reply to these facts and not my opinion.This continued for months now and will keep going until your hero BR is our manager.

I request to the ED to please post it if he can't reply as I have put lot of effort into this.Thanks for airing my frustration.

Cheers

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{Ed001's Note - there is nothing wrong with Ron, I disagree with him on a lot of issues but there is nothing wrong with that. I don't know Mighty Red to find him a pain.
1. They will give him until Christmas, in my opinion, though it is just one man in charge, so it is very difficult to be sure. Mike Gordon might lose patience at any time and just say enough is enough, but I think he has made the decision to give Rodgers every possible chance to recover.
2. FSG employ people to look at sites like this and report back to them.}

13 Sep 2015 03:53:25
Wrong again, Mighty! Your post makes no sense. You say getting a new manager guarantees nothing. YOU THINK? Of course it guarantees no success but it sure guarantees that things need to change and that the club is trying to fix the issues there. So a change should not be made because it guarantees nothing, right? If that was so, why do coaches get fired all the time for poor results? Nonsense! You may not know this or do know but are taking the Mickey out of everyone or trolling, managing is a results business where you are paid to win games. That is your objective. If you're not doing that, why should you still b in a job? because you dress well, have a tan and have whitened teeth? It was a dreadful mistake to keep him and nothing will change that. No club in the top 4 would have kept him after last season especially after that shalacking at Stoke. Only FSG would have kept him for the same rubbish we are still seeing. The owners are solely responsible and if they won't act, then the fans should rise and take our club back from owners who lack ambition and a manager who is out of his depth. Isn't that how Roy got the sack when fans were chanting for him to be sacked?

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12 Sep 2015 20:45:37
Did rodgers really say 3 - 1 is an improvement on 3 - 0?

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12 Sep 2015 20:50:26
If he did say that then we are officially toast

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12 Sep 2015 21:06:48
Well not to be a knob or anything but it would be true.

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12 Sep 2015 21:08:02
He also said the loss to them made us go on a great run.

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12 Sep 2015 21:12:12
I thought we were slightly better last year. Still awful, but it was a bit more end to end game last year with the final score owing much to the differences in the quality of the finishing and the keeper. For much of the game today we just couldn't keep any possesion and get two passes together especially in their half. Amasingly and quite luckily we still got few good chances today beyond the goal, but again poor finishing/De Gea saving two.

The sad think is if you are a United fan, you know you will have some dissapointments, some inconsistencies, some poor results against Chelsea or City etc but one thing you know is that if you play against Liverpool (without Suarez) your enjoyment is guarnteed. We are probably the best match up they have in the PL.

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12 Sep 2015 23:21:51
Did not hear that, but if that's a direct quote from Brendan, he should be sacked on the spot. I just hope Sean, Peps and Macca speak up going forward. No balance at the minute!

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13 Sep 2015 03:57:34
Prolly wanna read his comment on the club's website. Nothing has changed with this guy. Pascoe and Marsh were used as scapegoats so BR could still be in a job and the back room shake up is nothing but cosmetics being applied to cover cracks in the team. He won't change and not only will we win nothing with him, Utd will beat us regardless of where we play them because now they have found an LFC manager who will gift them the win without them breaking a sweat.

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12 Sep 2015 20:40:50
Eds I see that you know send some posts to 'our Liverpool-Banter site' what is is and how is it different from this site - is this something temporary? are we supposed to look for our post matches posts now in three places (here, other page and this new site?)

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{Ed001's Note - it is not a new site, we allow more license and freedom on there to moan properly.}

12 Sep 2015 20:48:34
So basically instaed of the other page for post matches

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{Ed001's Note - no, different level, other is just to put some moans, banter is if you really need to vent properly.}

12 Sep 2015 20:56:56
Honestly running out of things to moan about. At this point this is just becoming our new normal. I look forward to seeing a similarly uninspired performance against Bordeaux.

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12 Sep 2015 21:09:37
Where is this new site

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{Ed001's Note - http://www.liverpool-banter.co.uk

12 Sep 2015 21:21:40
RDL, we must not allow it to be the new normal. I can't go to games because I leave in the States but those who go to games at Anfield and who care about our club, need to get the owners' attention. I can't continue to support a team whose manager is destroying our team and the owners seem to just sit back and watch. I've been a fan way before BR, his pathetic training manuals and owners got here and will be a fan after their gone so why should we accept failure and incompetence as the new normal?

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12 Sep 2015 21:38:52
Thanks ed01

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13 Sep 2015 00:21:59
Not much we can do, redohio, but watch, wait, and see. He really should have been sacked in the summer, really surprised he wasn't to be honest.

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12 Sep 2015 17:27:38
Looks like a day for new heroes to be anointed, for both teams .

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12 Sep 2015 17:55:42
Well brendan rogers sure doesn't think so with his aweful tactics. Man u there for takin and he plays defensive counter attack crap

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12 Sep 2015 18:06:35
Bwetty

We ain't playing counter attacking, it's just we cannot keep the ball with ourself . UTD are pressing high and very high. Why blame BR ?

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12 Sep 2015 18:15:30
I'm pretty sure Brendan is the worst manager in liverpools history

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12 Sep 2015 18:28:54
Our passing has been downright dreadful. The passage of play between Emre Can and Skrtel just before half time was awful, why did Can treat that ball like it had a disease!?

The ball is in the middle of park crying out for a midfielder to take charge, lift his head up and find a pass, instead he kept passing it back to Skrtel until it ended up being a corner for them.

They are here for the taking, grow some balls and go for it, because it looks to me like a defeat for BR means trouble so its an avoid defeat at all costs exercise to me.

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12 Sep 2015 18:44:27
It's time for PSG to bite the bullet. I honestly don't see any point to keeping a manager whose philosophy goes against everything in the history of the club. They should make an immediate change while weare still in four competitions.

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12 Sep 2015 19:09:33
Because he picks the team harry,at some point you are going to have to accept that Rogers doesn't have a clue

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12 Sep 2015 19:21:30
Can-not good enough
Milner-spent force,3 years too late
If you rely on buying second tier players to coach to top notch then you need time and good fortune.some will work,some won't .time to realise where we are in the game

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12 Sep 2015 19:25:45
Don't forget Hogson but we get the sentiment. Awful result. Only single ray of light was THAT goal from Benteke.

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12 Sep 2015 19:30:34
Fsg u mean

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12 Sep 2015 19:31:04
well that was sad to watch. Not sure what more could go wrong lol. I agree you can't blame rodgers for everything but he and our team just look clueless

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12 Sep 2015 19:32:11
Harry aka brendan rodgers in disguise (saw you on that tablet in the dugout u sly dog) . Who picks the team and tactics it was clear he was playing defensive counter attacking football only problem is he/you got it wrong man u were there for the taking and he bottled it with his bloody i have no clue tactics he was useless did u honestly watch the same game can't wait to hear the press conference harry make us all laugh as this was a horror show

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12 Sep 2015 19:37:29
You play 2 p top Harry and a very narrow midfield, what did he think was going to happen when he cedes midfield control to United?

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12 Sep 2015 19:41:06
Bod
I think it's time to realize that the manager is the worst in the last 50 years of LFC. Worse than Hodgsom dare I say it. 300million spent and still we see that

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12 Sep 2015 19:50:26
We could actually be the worst team in the EPL. Brenda's got to go!

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12 Sep 2015 19:53:52
That was absolutely dire. Put aside the poor performances, miss placed passes, tactical/selection errors. The most distressing aspect for me was the complete lack of desire, lack of teamwork, lack of commitment. I'd say only the full backs put a shift in.
For me it looks like the players have no faith in the manager and he may have lost the dressing room. It has the smell of regime change in my opinion.

However, I will continue to back the manager and hope he turns it around. The return of Hendo, Sturridge and Coutinho will help. Stay positive, we're walking through a storm!

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12 Sep 2015 20:09:51
To be fair, that wasn't defensive/counter-attacking, it was just the defensive part. There were no counter attacks of any sort in the first half.

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12 Sep 2015 20:13:41
RB is worst than Roy, hands down. EG, you must be on some comedy lauging gas or something? Can't blame BR after that waste of time we just watched? Who picked the team, tactics and system that made a severely aweful Utd team look like top four contenders? Who continues to pick Skrtel who continues to escort strikers right on to Mingo's doorstep and is surprised they always score? Who took off Ings who was actually showing some promise instead of Can who tbh, had a poor game and I'm a fan of his? Who chose to stifle his own team by playing right into Utd's hands? Three straight games vs Utd now he's gifted them victory so again, who do you think is to blame for everything on the pitch? BR absolutely is to blame for everything based on what we saw on the pitch because that is his domain.

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12 Sep 2015 20:14:32
Common everyone including the ED01 wanted two up top and I was the only one personally against it as I stressed the importance of width and pace.
Firmino should have been played as the second striker.

Buy 35 million player and everyone wants DIAMOND FORMATION. THE FAMOUS DIAMOND FORMATION.

Our midfield has been poor and we never reinforced in the summer. We lost against 36 year old Carrick and 31 year old German With three players in the middle says a lot.

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{Ed001's Note - if you can't understand the tactical problems, then you never will. It was nothing to do with the formation.}

12 Sep 2015 20:38:43
We didn't play two up top! Ings was pretty much playing wing back!

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12 Sep 2015 20:41:59
I was predicting 8th to 10th at this rate we will be lucky to be mid table. Absolute shambles, this is what you get when the owners know zip about the sport.

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12 Sep 2015 20:43:33
Walking through a storm Ron?

He's bloody well spent over 300 million pound and were walking through a storm!

The only reason that there's storm clouds over us Ron is because of that buffoon that is our manager.

Think about this Ron, this man has spent over 300 million on players, plays a very poor Man u side and defends, poorly, albeit the full backs. Plays a midfield that doesn't want the ball, and one that can't support the forward line in any way shape or form. And then there's the goalkeeper that is just not good enough.

And make no mistake Ron this is HIS team. I for one have had enough of this buffoon. We are now a team with no identity and heaven help us.

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12 Sep 2015 20:44:05
Ed01, I am waiting to hear your Podcast

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12 Sep 2015 20:54:57
Seeing is finally believing, Ron. You're an hour lated and a dollar short. Anyway, better late than never. We have been saying what you are saying now for months now and if the owners won't step in and end this misery then maybe we as fans need to get their attention

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12 Sep 2015 20:57:25
Ed01 do you think the players just can't interpret brendans philosophy?

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{Ed001's Note - no, I think he is just Roy re-incarnated with a touch of orange. Looking to defend away and hoping to sneak a point.}

12 Sep 2015 21:07:45
Do the players have to take some responsibility too though ed, i mean take some pride as professional footballers and play their own game or should all the blame be laid squarely at brendans door.

Im trying to play devils advocate although my feelings are clear on what needs to be done and should have been done in the summer.

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{Ed001's Note - what are they meant to do? If they do what they want to do, then we lose, they will get crucified by everyone. Though it is getting to the point where there will be a full scale revolt, the players haven't a clue what they are meant to be doing or why. The coaching changes can only save Rodgers for so long.}

12 Sep 2015 21:11:06
Sorry, Ron. You and your "positive" fans are the only ones walking thru a storm. Many of us have been seeing clearly for over a year now. Btw, your post is contradictory. You say this smells like regime change may be eminent yet you say we should back him? I ask you, what has he done to earn our backing over the last season or so? The back room shake up has done nothing to alleviate the misery we are still seeing on the pitch. The fact that he's LFC manager will no longer cut it because Roy wasn't afforded that type of backing with chants from fans calling for him to be sacked. I'll wait for your answer.

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12 Sep 2015 21:11:31
You forgot about the bleached teeth and the young mistress ed 1

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12 Sep 2015 21:19:16
Dont worry ed i agree with you just fed up with moaning as it gets us nowhere. We did it for two months and the owners took no notice whatsoever as i'm sure they monitor these sites.

Like i have said MG needs to give his head a wobble and just bite the bullet with this guy. We are turning into another reading, but at least they made the right decision before the dry rot set in too bad.

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12 Sep 2015 21:23:57
Spot on, Ed! The only thing we are waiting for now is for the fans at Anfield to turn on him the way they did with Roy which helped lead him to the sack.

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12 Sep 2015 22:41:50
I've said it once if I have said it a hundred times, the bloke hasn't a clue! he is fixated with himself and truly believes he is indeed a person who can manage, the man couldn't manage to wash the kit correctly.

How many fullbacks has the bloke bought in his tenure? and still we are reduced to playing a player out of position at left back (and no, I'm not having a pop at young Gomez who I think has done an extremely good job).

The centre back position is problematical, Lovren is not up to it, yet it is apparent Rodgers doesn't feel Sakho is either, so a club of Liverpool's stature has arguably one first choice centre back - Skrtel, who, like so many looks so uncomfortable trying to play to Rodger's system . whatever that may be.

Midfield looks very weak with the absence of Henderson. Lucas is probably the best defensive midfielder we have at the club but in truth he really isn't up to the level that a club wanting to prove itself, and in turn gain (and sustain) a position at the top needs.

Can seems to run around like a headless chicken, seemingly oblivious to the position or manner he is expected and has told to play . Ings finally gets a game, but he may as well have been told to play in goal as to play in the position he played today. Again, in the main it isn't Lucas', Can nor Ings' fault, I'm sure they are trying, the fault lies with Rodgers and his inability to recruit players who can play in his fixated and inflexible system, and arguably, more important, devise a new system that suits those players once it's been established that they can't play in his system.

I felt so sorry for Benteke today, the man has class and ability but he may as well be sitting on the bench at least that way he will have a few players alongside him - so isolated!

The owners must surely have seen today what was apparent . he sent a team out at Old Trafford today for a draw (or as I would more precisely describe it, make sure you don't loose in order to "protect" my job), and when the team went behind he clearly had no idea how to alter things (and this was against a very, very average Utd team).

Forget the two front teeth all I want for Christmas is a P-45 with Rodgers' name emblazoned all over it!

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12 Sep 2015 22:44:52
Ron,we're walking through a bloody storm stark bollocking naked pulling a bus with Rogers in charge

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12 Sep 2015 23:22:29
GURU, you slate all the other players but exclude the keeper. He's awful if you ask me - every time he distributes the ball it goes back to the other team bringing pressure back on our defense. For me he's probably the weakest link in the team at the moment.

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13 Sep 2015 04:04:48
Ed, I think it's tactics AND formation. You can't play 4-3-3 when you don't have any bona-fide attacking flank players to start the game with, and when your only decent crosser of the ball is your chosen centre mid. If he wants to play 4-3-3, needs to play someone like Moreno out wide to use the width. You can't play 4-3-3 and aim for a tunnel ball game.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but you don't have to play a 4-3-3 with wingers. A 4-3-3 used to be 3 strikers and a very narrow formation, so why can't we play it that way? It was always about a big target man in the centre with two nippy forwards right up with him to feed off his knockdowns.}

13 Sep 2015 10:34:01
Yeah I agree in that sense, but BR is playing a formation which doesn't suit his players. Players like Firmino, Ings and Coutinho are not suited to being out wide.

Can you please make a podcast talking about where BR tactically got it wrong? Obviously the tactics where bad, but given how atrocious we were, it's hard to find where to begin.

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12 Sep 2015 16:55:01
Anyone else as worried about Felliaini up top than Rooney? Yeah he can't finish but he will dominate lovren for sure

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12 Sep 2015 17:11:02
Not really. He is poor in the grand scheme of things. I'd rather a lump cm play up front than a striker.

Have to say I'm very happy with the lineup but think it would have been better to play Moreno. Without wingers he is much more capable going forward than Gomez

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12 Sep 2015 17:18:24
What stunned me our bench. 2 CB plus one LB. if you ain't sure about your starting CB pairs, y play them?

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12 Sep 2015 17:18:46
Yes i am. Rooney would have ben easier

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12 Sep 2015 19:33:22
5 games in an already we look devoid of idea's. Different personnel same crap 1 common denominator? Brendan Rodgers!!! Start the ball rolling FSG. Last year we had midfielders playing up front this year striker playing midfield? Piss poor by anyone's standard let alone Liverpool! Gutted by the low standard that has now become the norm! Gutted

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12 Sep 2015 19:54:40
Who do you want as manager?
Whoever it has to be able to manage with one hand behind their back.
We buy young/ potential players,we develop them a top club comes calling.WE USED TO BE THAT TOP CLUB!!

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{Ed001's Note - one hand tied behind his back? Are you taking the mick? How many millions does the clueless one need to spend before this idiotic kind of talk stops??}

12 Sep 2015 20:18:27
Scouse, the owners have chosen to reward failure and Michael Gordon has made a dreadful decision by keeping BR. The back room shake up is nothing but putting lipstick on a pig because the pig is still a pig as in BR has learnt nothing and continues to humiliate and destroy our team made of players that can get us top four. If the owners like wasting money and keeping failures in charge, that's not my prob. But the club belongs to fans as well and if they won't change then may be we need to get their attention. This ain't American sports where the fans don't really care who's in charge provided there's a game to watch. This is LFC and maybe it's time for our voices to be heard

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12 Sep 2015 20:38:39
How many players has he developed? How many has he bought an washed his hands of by loaning them out? Bollocks mate he is terrible!

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12 Sep 2015 21:04:30
Bod, your post makes no sense. If there was ever a LFC manager with one hand tied behind his back, it defo ain't BR. He's spent hundreds of millions yet we are behind teams who've spent a small fraction of that. Who'll be the manager? You must be smoking that JWH thingy that the gunners are smoking at the Emirates. I can make a list of at least threenames who if given the same money BR was given, we would do MUCH better. Unai Emery, Jorge Jesus, Juergen Klopp come to mind. You can add Christophe Galtier to that list. Face it, BR is a failure and with him in charge, we will win nothing. In fact, we will never beat Utd with him in charge regardless of where we play them. Why? because he always chokes and hands them the game on a platter due to his pathetic tactics. "I think this was an improvement on the last time we were here". I am speechless

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{Ed023's Note - One man who comes to mind who managed Liverpool with one hand tied behind his back, Roy Evans}

12 Sep 2015 21:49:45
Ed023 I'm with you baby

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12 Sep 2015 15:44:52
All this talk of big matches got me onto thinking about derby matches ! I was trying to think of the premier leagues rivals in lower division s.help me put if you can so far I've got

Norwich vs ipswich
Chelsea vs fulham ??
West ham vs millwall?

Not sure if these are right feel free to add to the list just a bit of football knowledge fun

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12 Sep 2015 16:42:21
Southampton vs Portsmouth? Though i a not sure

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12 Sep 2015 16:58:09
Plymouth vs Exeter, same league!

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12 Sep 2015 16:58:29
Sunderland vs Newcastle

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12 Sep 2015 17:15:24
Saints vs Portsmouth gets very nasty off the pitch. I am fairly sure that their rivalry is similar to Liverpool and United in some way. Like us their rivalry which goes back hundreds of years.This was due to both Portsmouth and Southampton being port cities. There is a mutual dislike for each other, even outside of football and people from Portsmouth are referred to as "skates" by the Southampton locals(not all of them I might add).

I also believe they have a song about "shooting the pompey scum" which is to the tune of "Que Sera, Sera". And when they play each other, the Southampton fans replace the word "fat" with the word "skate" in the "you fat b*****d" chant.

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13 Sep 2015 01:37:35
I live in a town called fareham which is between saints and Pompy and I can safely say it's one of the fiercest rivalries. I'm a liverpool supporter and my 2 best mates are both utd. We made today look like a lesbians teen pillow fight compared some of their matches.

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{Ed007's Note - Sounds proppa nawtee! Did you all hold hands sharing half n half scarves and watching the Football Factory to get you fired up for the 'top bantz', a few beers with the troops followed by a cheeky Nandos with the bae after the match?
Have you bought any authentic SI gear in the past year?
HAVE YOU GOT A BEARD????????

12 Sep 2015 14:37:05
Ed 1 or ed 2 i know this is bout chelsea on the liverpool page but what thd hell
Is going on with them just now?? Mourinho is prob best manager there is but he's not getting results i know liverpool would have less points if it weren't for some shocking refereeing and i'm not havin a fig at chelsea just have not seen them play so bad in a long time

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{Ed002's Note - They will sort themselves out.}

12 Sep 2015 14:42:51
They have always been so good defensively it's such a shock to see them struggle this badly.

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12 Sep 2015 14:59:34
Meh, swings and roundabouts.
I remember a season when United really struggled at the start, think they won the league by 12 points that year.

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12 Sep 2015 15:18:50
They were not great defensively but Jose and his system made them solid. They need two new CB and a world class CM. I would have played Loftus cheek today instead of Mikel who does nothing IMO.

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12 Sep 2015 17:16:05
They will come good and still finish in the top 2.

Mourinho will go back to basics and get them winning games like he does best.

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12 Sep 2015 15:14:13
Thanks ed 2 i teally hope so as i want someone to challenge man city for the title or this seasons going to be really boring if the money machine city buy another title

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{Ed002's Note - To be honest I would not expect Chelsea to be challenging them.}

12 Sep 2015 17:22:28
Harry, Chelsea have had one of the best defenses in the league for several years. Jose didn't wave his magic wand and repair a broken defense, he just strengthened it.

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12 Sep 2015 18:05:24
I am sorry but where did he strengthened? Elaborate it mate. Their deep defensive system with flat back 4 and a top class DM helps them just like Rafa had Mascherano and Alonso ahead of Skrtel.

Chelsea cannot play high not press high as their defenders lack pace. And this is is coming from his own mouth.

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12 Sep 2015 19:12:05
I doubt Chelsea will finish in top 2 to be honest. Jose is a very good manager but its great for me to see him sturggle. I know many Portuguese people who also recognize that he is good but has often had a job most would kill for, and his title win for porto was also suspect according to some people. i;e corrupt. For me his best run was with INter

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12 Sep 2015 20:23:31
The diff is that last year, teams didn't go at them as much as they are doing now. The defence suddenly didn't get poor overnight or Mou didn't become aweful overnight. It's a case of teams have gotten better and will go at them knowing they have nothing to lose because losing to the champs is no big deal. Today's game was a case in point. Martinez had nothing to lose and went at them, attacking from all sides, something they are not used to and voila. They'll figure it out but they'd better hurry because you may not wing the PL in in Sept but you can defo lose it and they are losing it with every game they don't win or out rightly lose.

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12 Sep 2015 11:11:33
Can any of you realistically tell me that by keeping Stevie (our Captain) at the club and on the bench for half the season would have worked?

Regardless of opinion, I back Stevie and his pride. Lampard had the luxury of Terry; Stevie had no luxury after Carra left and the burden would have been too much.

Anyway, as a fan, it would have become more difficult to watch him fade away on the bench.

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12 Sep 2015 12:04:17
I loved his interview, clearly still loves the club and you can completely understand what he was saying about playing. He wanted to play every game but new he couldn't, and admitted it wasn't bets for the club. But a coaching role would have kept him interested enough to be only playing a few games. If he stayed Milner wouldn't have come in and been promised a central role, and we could play can hendo and Lucas more regularly.

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12 Sep 2015 15:50:25
But you can't pay someone 150k a week to play a few sub appearances whilst learning how to be a coach.

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{Ed001's Note - so give him a different contract. He is desperate to get into coaching.}

12 Sep 2015 11:03:46
Why is it that it only takes big games to make the atmosphere at Anfield electric?

Why is it that the European nights at Anfield just feel the norm?

The same applies At Chelsea, City and especially Utd.

The atmosphere is crap and stagnant.

Which got me thinking.

The game has become a global sport (which I struggle to adapt too) but this brings expectations. It takes a lot now for the old school fan at Anfield to become excited, and I suspect this is of a consequence of having football royalty from all countries gracing our pitch for decades, which is a little arrogant but true.

We need this European super league as I think a handful of teams have outgrown it.

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12 Sep 2015 11:41:39
Come on Davey, once teams head off to the Superleague, Liverpool will finally have a chance at winning their first PL title. We all know little old Liverpool won't be getting an invite to the big dance.

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12 Sep 2015 13:01:32
Well we have 10 odd years to change that then! If we still have these owners I can definitely see them pushing for us to be involved with there business background and that will become the be all and end all on the coming years in my opinion

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{Ed002's Note - Under the current regime Liverpool are not and will not be involved.}

12 Sep 2015 13:39:51
Presumably over the next 10 years if we were to improve mainly in European competition I assume we would have to be considered?? As surely that will be a cash cow for team's in the first couple years

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{Ed002's Note - That is not how it works.}

12 Sep 2015 16:10:05
Would you be able to go into details as to why under the current regime we wouldn't be invited Ed002?

I understand if you don't want too, given that it could possibly upset a few hardcore uber fans.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not going to get in to that. Right now Liverpool is not one of the clubs involved in the discussions and I don't expect that to change in the short term.}

12 Sep 2015 11:11:33
Can any of you realistically tell me that by keeping Stevie (our Captain) at the club and on the bench for half the season would have worked?

Regardless of opinion, I back Stevie and his pride. Lampard had the luxury of Terry; Stevie had no luxury after Carra left and the burden would have been too much.

Anyway, as a fan, it would have become more difficult to watch him fade away on the bench.

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12 Sep 2015 09:47:17
Despite what some say on here it's the clash of the 2 biggest clubs in the league today
It'll be a huge win if we can manage it

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{Ed002's Note - Is this "biggest" in historical terms Chris? Or is it measured some other way, Facebook friends perhaps?}

12 Sep 2015 10:17:08
Based on the fact that they are England's biggest clubs

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{Ed002's Note - Measured how Chris? They are not the two highest values. They are not the two with the highest turnover. They are not the two with the highest following on social media. Perhaps you are still considering how well Liverpool did 30 or 40 years ago? Bit like how successful Huddersfield Town were in the 1920s?}

12 Sep 2015 10:17:08
Based on the fact that they are England's biggest clubs

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{Ed002's Note - Measured how Chris? Obviously they are not the two clubs with the highest value. Neither are they the two clubs with the highest turnover. And of course they are not the two clubs with the largest fan base on social media either. Is this perhaps based on how well Liverpool did 30 or 40 years ago - much like Huddersfield Town did in the 1920s?}

12 Sep 2015 10:36:04
World wide viewing figures also. But ultimately we would all rather it a top of the table clash which it hasn't been

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{Ed002's Note - World wide viewing figures? You are making this up.}

12 Sep 2015 10:50:10
Don't bite folks

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12 Sep 2015 11:07:01
Geographically, the North West is still the footballing powerhouse of the world.

Think what we have within a thirty five mile radius?

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{Ed002's Note - As the orange sunshine kicks in. Are you donning your cloth cap, hobnailed boots and rattle and off for a pint of wallop with the lads before the game?

12 Sep 2015 11:58:04
In terms of number of trophies won!

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{Ed002's Note - So it is about history and what Liverpool were like 30 or 40 years ago? Nothing to do with the Premier League or number of "fans" on social media.}

12 Sep 2015 12:15:55
World wide viewing figures its the most watched game in the world . Rafa fact

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{Ed002's Note - That may have been true at one time and certainly Manchester United continue to attract large audiences, but it not the most watched game.}

12 Sep 2015 12:38:41
Ok Ed what criteria would you like to include to measure England's biggest clubs?

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{Ed002's Note - I wouldn't want any - "biggest" is a subjective term.}

12 Sep 2015 12:58:08
Ah come on ed it's the one day we've had some positivity don't knock us back too hardly! I still think a win in this game means more to fans than any other team winning any other game so that's my measurement for it being the biggest game!

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12 Sep 2015 15:34:35
So Celtic and Rangers are the same as Montrose and Arbroath and Real Madrid and Barca are the same as Magaluf and Espanyol
Oh and Chelsea are the same as Bournemouth

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12 Sep 2015 22:15:52
Ok ed I who is bigger than united in England? Do Chelsea and city make more money attract more fans het bigger gates? I'm confused 😖

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{Ed002's Note - Nobody is suggesting that Manchester United a not the major draw. You might want to think again about the other side of the equation.

Maybe you want to start looking at pictures of girls rther than getting your rocks off to Stevie G in his PJs.}

12 Sep 2015 09:00:02
Hey think this could be one for ed002 if you don't want to answer/get into it I completely understand and no need to post if you don't feel either!
Well with all the commercialism in football now and new tv deal etc I was wondering what the future holds and do you see in the future clubs essentially privatizing broadcasting of games? Especially if the European league breaks out or would this go against whatever regulations are in place? I know barca and Madrid are the famous examples of negotiating their own deal but could we see the day for example where lfc tv have the sole broadcasting rights to Liverpool games and a subscription/ pay per view model put in place?

Secondly if the above is not feasible as I feel it probably wouldn't be what would happen in terms of broadcasting were a European league to break out. Would all clubs negotiate privately ala Madrid and Barcelona or would their again be fixed broadcasting in place or is this a bridge that will be crossed closer to the time?
Finally is there a large disparity between deals barca and Madrid have in place and the new premier league tv deal or is this gap being closed?
Sorry again if you don't want to get into!
Regards, Shane

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{Ed002's Note - Here you go Shane. We will put it on the transfer page as the rest of the Liverpool posts will be likely going to the "Other" page again today.

(1) To some extent this would be dependent on when the pan-European League happens. At a recent meeting in Monaco a proposal by two clubs to begin in 2018 only received support from one other side – the others in general voted against it with either one or two abstaining. This though may simply have been posturing as they look to a more realistic date of 2022. Because of the World Cup and the general mess with high-end sponsors related to the WC and on-going issues at FIFA, the original pencilled in date of 2027 is back on the table. There will be a couple more meetings this season. A date has been set in April and I rather suspect that the clubs involved in these discussions will look for another meeting in mid-December. Do not under estimate the value of foreign television money to the European leagues.

(2) There is every likelihood that the big money from television, other media, sponsorship etc. would go with a breakaway league. It would completely rupture the operations of UEFA and I would expect it would require national associations like the FA to restructure their leagues. Nobody wants this but it is the eventual consequence I would expect. As a result there would certainly be a step change in the way clubs capture their media income. Two EPL clubs (Arsenal and Liverpool) have already investigated, and probably continue to investigate, the streaming type options for games. Whilst they cannot do it in real-time right now, in the future the chance may well be there to do that. Both clubs have media exploitation expertise within their existing senior management structures – but both will also be aware of the damage being done to the clubs by the illegal “free” internet providers. So in the longer term, I would think that there will be more options to watch games live – either through existing/revised media deals or through the clubs providing that service themselves. In all probability it would be far more cost effective and beneficial to do it through the likes of a television company, perhaps as a partner. Clubs on their own do not have the broadcast capabilities, nor equipment and facilities necessary to do this easily on their own and it would seem likely they would seek a media partner rather than go in to the broadcasting business.

(3) The television deals in Spain have been renegotiated and eventually if nothing changes then the gap between what Real Madrid and Barcelona have in income and the English sides will disappear. However, regardless of the new agreement kicking in during next season in Spain, there is a caveat that means all sides will earn at least what they did last season (it might be this season, I would need to check) for six more seasons – this was reluctantly accepted by the other clubs simply to push through the deal. However, the only clubs protected by it are the only two that would potentially lose money – Real Madrid and Barcelona.

(4) Meetings have been held including representatives of the French FFF and Spanish RFEF to discuss their concerns over the new EPL television deal and the deal Real Madrid and Barcelona has in Spain. They approached UEFA with a view to capping TV/media income in the same way as commercial sponsorship for the purposes of FFP. No resolution is in place. This upsets EPL clubs, Real Madrid and Barcelona. The others will get support from other nations such as Germany and the Netherlands should they ask for it – and even Italy which has the second highest income but a rupturing financial structure for all but 6 or 8 sides. The further complication relates to what happens when the breakaway clubs run for the pan-European league. The Spanish club know that opens up the Real Madrid and Barcelona second string sides to La Liga - so they want assurances that they can only use the extant stadia, and not the main stadia, and the television rights will then be shared equally - regardless (the agreed plan right now is not dissimilar to the English deal for their National income which are divided (1) 50% equally between clubs, (2) 25% for those clubs hosting live matches, (3) 25% based on performance (league position). The international broadcast monies are divided (3) 100% equally between the clubs.. This has been raised in a meeting of the breakaway sides in Monte Carlo last year with UEFA present and an unbiased journalist sat in to moderate - at the agreement of all parties. It remains partially resolved only.

From this you may just be able to figure out the names of the two clubs looking to accelerate the pan-European league breakaway.

I hope this helps.}

12 Sep 2015 10:39:51
I love you ed002. Genuine, you share all this information and for nothing. fantastic read! I have a question, if you don't mind. Is there a reason/ or your opinion, as to why in places like America/Dubai, people have a choice of every and any epl game to watch. Where as in England ( despite sky and bt paying all this money ) we only get 1 on a Saturday, 2 on a Sunday and 1 on mnf. Surely if they're paying billions of pounds it would make sense to give us the option to watch all the games? As that would increase subscribers. With all do respect, I'd imagine not many Norwich fans sign up to these providers as they're rarely on telly. Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - It is how the contracts are written as it has no impact on the attendances of games in England. Traditionally clubs relied on match day income more than anything else - that then dropped behind sponsorship and then both fell behind media income at the highest level. In the lower tiers of the game clubs still rely on the match day income. The agreements are made by the Premier League and not the individual clubs. Certainly the Liverpool owners clearly want to exploit as many avenues as possible for increasing revenue as they can - and whilst the whippet smoking brigade may object, changes will eventually arrive under the banner of "progress".}

12 Sep 2015 11:19:37
Shane, I have posted about a European league without reading your post.

Sorry mate.

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12 Sep 2015 11:39:30
Absolutely cracking mate and seriously appreciated!

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12 Sep 2015 06:47:02
Lots of speculation Rooney is out with a hamstring injury.

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12 Sep 2015 09:01:44
Time for 50 million martial to step up? Oh wait van gaal has just said he's not been bought to score. woops

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12 Sep 2015 11:18:11
Roy Hodgson strikes again

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12 Sep 2015 15:50:52
They always say this before a game against us. He's playing.

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12 Sep 2015 03:43:00
Nice to see Rodgers isn't putting a time frame on Sturridges return. I feel in the past we've rushed him back which hasn't helped club or player in the long term. I honestly feel studge could be the difference between us and united in the race for top four. Thoughts Eds and reds.

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12 Sep 2015 05:00:56
I think we have to treat sturridge's involvement as just a bonus; we aren't going to have him much, but when he's fit its huge.

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12 Sep 2015 09:13:29
I'm not too sure about that tbh? Obviously the health of the lad is paramount but, If he's deemed fit I think we should play him and play him hard. It's no good treating this with kid gloves. What do we have to lose? If we mollycoddle him and don't play him then it's pointless having him? His confidence is bound to be affected by the injuries but, as soon as he's playing and banging them in again I'm sure that will improve too. He's either fit or he isn't.

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12 Sep 2015 09:21:33
I don't think we rushed him back. He mainly got injured in training and not during games anyway. My view about him is the opposite. He is fit? play him now before he gets injured again.

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