Liverpool Banter Archive August 13 2015

13 Aug 2015 20:57:53
Hi guys, United fan here. I always go on other clubs sites and have a read about the goings on and opinions on it, regarding Rodgers if he was to achieve top 4 this season would you guys be happy for him to continue as manager then or would you want him replaced to kick on regardless?
Cheers guys.

13 Aug 2015 21:22:16
Some want him replaced even if he wins the league.

13 Aug 2015 21:38:34
I think top four is a must then if there is a coach/manager of a better calibre we need to get them in asap. For someone half decent I think we need top four . Least it will be good on brendans cv if and when we need to replace him.

13 Aug 2015 21:38:56
hard question! If we play good football and deserve to be in top four great! If we play poorly and somehow knick it off United, brilliant!

13 Aug 2015 21:56:05
Ron you're nearly as delusional as the man himself

13 Aug 2015 22:12:03
I think you've made some good signings and I feel us and you will be tight for 4th. Are you a supporter of Brendan then Ron? Seems like a split opinion on here, it's the same with LVG over on our page tbh. Who would you like in Walter?

13 Aug 2015 22:18:18
If we're there because we deserve to be thanks to playing well, then that's one scenario, if it's because we were the moderately best of a bad bunch and still got ejected from Europa and both cups early going, then that's a different one.

13 Aug 2015 23:44:38
It's a top four squad. Rodgers is not a top four manager. Even if he wins the league? And the odds on that?

14 Aug 2015 00:40:35
Romn, you're becoming boring to a fault.

14 Aug 2015 02:09:27
@Welsh Red Devil.


I'm a believer in Rodgers and my previous posts will show I always have been. He's made mistakes no doubt, I'm not one eyed and I accept he has his faults. He has a tendency to say stupid things and favour players and alienate others, however I do believe he is a very good coach and I believe he will learn from his mistakes. He's certainly young enough to learn and with the support of the fans and coaches, I'm hoping we stick by him.

What do you think of LVG?

14 Aug 2015 04:12:51
Smpl, he is not learning a thing and his disgraceful treatment of Lucas, Sahko, Ilori as well as his shambolic tactics vs Stoke which won't work vs better teams, prove that. I hope for all our sakes he does because this is his very last chance

14 Aug 2015 06:46:33
Welsh Red Devil: I'm a supporter of Liverpool football club which includes all it's employees. If Rodgers is the manager, he gets my support, just like the striker, the keeper etc etc.
Exceptions would be any discrimination (Suarez), illegal actions or anyone disrespecting the club or its fans (Mascherano, Sakho, Sterling are recent examples).
I'm in the old school of football support. I believe, as Shankly did, we all need to pull in the same direction to be successful from the star striker, to the youth team subs, to chief exec to the cleaners. Without unity you have nothing.

{Ed001's Note - did you continue to show support to Hodgson then? If the fans hadn't turned on him, he would have been there a lot longer.}

14 Aug 2015 07:01:19
Di-Matteo was sacked 6 months after winning the CL. I would never be a fan of BR simply he doesn't know the game. That line up against stoke city summed up, still trying to experiment.
He has very little knowledge in the game and past three years proves, he learned nothing.
With 300 mill, I wouldn't do any worse than BR.

14 Aug 2015 07:09:26
Another example scenario: let's say the temperature in hell reached -1 and Gary Neville took over as LFC manager. Would I like him? No. Would I support him as LFC manager? Absolutely 100% for the duration of his contract. The reason is you can't have a successful team without a successful manager so I will give them all the support and encouragement I can.

Many forget one of United's most famous and successful managers played for LFC. Matt Busby. It didn't stop United fans supporting him as their manager.

14 Aug 2015 07:21:17
Ed001: the moment Hodgson criticised the supporters publicly was the moment he lost my support. Think it was the Northampton game. You can't have a manager criticising the fans, simple as that.

{Ed001's Note - so you are saying it is ok to pick and choose now? Yet constantly you are on here harping about others who choose other reasons to lose faith in the manager. It's nice that you have faith, but it is wasted on a clueless cretin who is running our club into the ground. That doesn't mean I want us to lose, I want him to prove me wrong, but he won't as he was a huge mistake. Until he starts acting with the club's best interests at heart with his decisions, I will continue to criticise. Choosing the backroom team was a good thing, but choosing to stay himself was a bad thing.}

14 Aug 2015 08:00:23
I've already said that after the stoke 6-1 joke I lost all my remaining faith that rodgers could get this club back into the CL, and I hate watching us throw away another season when you could see from the first game that he is still addicted to his old philosophy and tactics.
If he got top four then yes, I would regain some faith in his abilities because it won't be an easy thing to do this year- last year was the easier year to make CL, with utd still in transition.
But he won't do it- he just wont.
He is so attached to his philosophy that asking him to open his mind is like asking a committed conservative voter to suddenly believe in labour values.
There is a very good coach in there, because you can see he has had a couple of really great runs, but I think like most fundamentalist believers in an idea, he has become emotionally attached to his theories to the point that he cannot see how poor the returns are for using those theories in practice.
It will take a major trauma to make him rethink his ideas from the ground up, and my worry is that hard learning process he needs will be at the expense of lfcs season.

14 Aug 2015 08:19:21
Ron I don't see how anyone can blindly follow someone so obviously out of his depth and bad for LFC, he is dragging the club down and an utter embarrassment. If you want Rodgers in you must either want Liverpool to fail or not be bothered either way. As for disrespecting the club Rodgers is disrespecting long serving players such as Lucas which is just as bad. I can't believe you have raised Sakho there, he gives everything on the pitch and supports charities off the pitch in his spare time. What does Rodgers do? Collects rent from his hundreds of properties when he should be concentrating on lfc and watching the academy teams.

14 Aug 2015 08:21:36
Ron, this "I support Liverpool, so I support the manager" is nonsense. I support Liverpool and have done for 42 years, but if the manager is picking the wrong team, playing the wrong system or buying the wrong players then you can't just close your eyes and say nothing just because he's "our manager." I'm not saying that's the case for this season as we're only one game into it, but last season was totally unacceptable, was it not?

If, like you say you are, that you are a supporter of Liverpool football club, then wanting what's best for your club regardless of who is in charge is the only priority. And if by some miracle, he does win us the league title, which after spending over 300 million pounds over three or four seasons, which might be expected by the powers that be, then I would be made up for "us" not him, but us as club.

I've been lucky enough to celebrate us winning leagues and European cups, FA cups, League cups, Super cups all the way since our last cup success in 2011. The pure ecstasy you feel when you win something is probably right up there with great sex, dare I say even better. From the first cup I've celebrated us winning to the last one, I can honestly say the feeling has never changed.

What I'm trying to say is that supporting your team is not about who is in the dug out, or who is on the pitch because they are just transient employees of the club. I don't love Liverpool football club any less because Shankly or Paisley are no longer our managers, that Dalglish, Rush, Fowler, Barnes, Beardsley, Souness, Hansen, Gerrard or Suarez no longer play for us. No matter who is at our great club I will always love Liverpool FC. For me supporting your team is wanting the best for it, the best managers, the best players and the best owners, oh and tea ladies too.

Ron, if we blindly just supported our club then Hicks and Gillette would still be the owners.

14 Aug 2015 08:21:39
support, and blind support is different.

i want the best for liverpool, even if that means going against the people in the club.

14 Aug 2015 09:43:10
To add my 10 cents I support Rodgers because I think he has the potential to be an excellent manager.

I disagree entirely that he's incompetent or out of his depth or that his good form is a product of luck or circumstance beyond his control.

I'm sceptical that he's behaved badly with players, it's not surprising that players he's decided don't meet his standards don't like him. Having said that there's no smoke without fire so the handling his fringe players is something he should improve on going forward.

I do agree that this is a defining season for him, he has to show that 14/15 was the exception and not 13/14. I'm cautious about demanding top 4 as there's no current top 4 team that on paper we should overtake but he certainly needs to be more competitive and to cut out the drops in form the team suffered at the beginning and end of last season. If we get 75 points and come 5th I'll still support him, if there's too big a gap between us and the top 4 then I'll concede it hasn't worked out.

{Ed001's Note - what about 12/13? We were dross then too....}

14 Aug 2015 10:18:47
get rid regardless

14 Aug 2015 10:25:32
Smplfc; the jury is still very much out on LVG over on our page and there is a few like Ron with BR who just want to get behind the manager because he is united manager, fair enough, my personal take on LVG is that he obviously has a good CV, he had to pick up after the disastrous moyes year and we have improved results wise but under LVG our football is pretty dull to watch and has a tendency to play players out of positin ie, mata, Memphis and our best player Herrera can't even seem to buy a game at times. So I like him in his personality but like you guys I don't want to just see us scraping for Europe I want us to compete for titles and I'm not sure with this brand of football we will, time will tell and I hope he proves me wrong, we've spent a lot of money with no obvious signs of improvement on the pitch so I think it's an important year for LVG in the eyes of us fans, if it's more of the same I guess his position will be called into question for sure.

14 Aug 2015 10:42:09
Ed 01, we were but 12/13 was a significant improvement on 11/12 and our form improved steadily over the course of the season which suggests 12/13 was a bedding in year and not representative of a normal Rodgers team.

{Ed001's Note - how was it a significant improvement? It was awful and most people wanted Rodgers gone at the end of that season, so not sure why you are suggesting it was some vast improvement. We were better under Dalglish until Lucas got injured, than we were in 12/13. I think you have rose tinted glasses on mate, because Rodgers in no way improved the performances in that particular season.}

14 Aug 2015 11:18:54
There are people on here with no qualifications in coaching and no experience of working in professional football who say Rodgers is "out of his depth", "picking the wrong team" and they have the temerity to call him "arrogant".

That is the epitome of hypocrisy.

{Ed001's Note - how so? Are you trying to suggest that only those with coaching badges can judge how well a coach is doing? That is just plain idiotic. The coaching badges were set up in England by people who never had any badges. The coaching courses were set up by people without any badges. In fact two of the main people involved were not even coaches. So why does it take a qualified coach to be able to judge a coach's ability? Does that mean only someone else with a website can criticise me on things I do on here? Of course not. Some of your attempts to excuse the bumbling one's inadequacies are just bizarre. Calling an arrogant man arrogant doesn't require arrogance to do so, Rodgers is clearly arrogant to have the self belief he has. The only issue is whether that arrogance and self belief is misplaced or not, not whether he has it or not.}

14 Aug 2015 11:34:27
52 points to 61, I'd call that an improvement. 25 points first half of the season to 36 second half, i'd call that an improvement.

I do have rose-tinted specs Ed1 but equally you're over-critical.

{Ed001's Note - yeah maybe, but I didn't see any cup finals under Rodgers in that season.}

14 Aug 2015 12:54:34
I regularly argue with a mate about rodgers on these very issues.
I wouldn't know a good coach from a bad coach, but the bottom line on that and all the other issues is what I can see and understand- and that is the results and the peformances on the pitch- and even that's difficult because its been a mixture of very good and utter garbage.
Rodgers had a great run last season after xmas, and the season before he had an even better run with the help of the two best strikers around, both being fit.
But those runs aside, the performances and results have been mostly very poor- in fact I think it was almost relegation form after the utd defeat last season that ended the good run.
I reckon my mate loves being devils advocate, and would argue a case for anything just for the sport of trying to win- which is a very annoying habit.
So he goes on about how we lost suarez, and what a great run we had until utd, etc etc. He even tried to defend the big spending on sakho then lovren for the same position, and ilori never even getting a league start.
There will be people like my mate who will always find a way of making a case to defend rodgers even if we finish 15th in the league, but for me- like with hodgson- there has to come a point when you call time regardless of excuses, because the bottom line results are just not coming.
For me personally, that turning point was the 6-1 stoke defeat. I can see how a team might lose 6-1 to barca or real, but 6-1 to an average stoke side will never be acceptable and it cannot be defended in any way- and the buck for that stops with br.

14 Aug 2015 13:34:57
I don't really see how anyone can blame Rodgers for running the club into the ground Ed. There was ample opportunity to get rid but the owners or whoever they employ to make these decisions chose not to. Not to mention employing him in the first place. Rodgers at the end of the day is there to do a job, badly, i agree but surely we should be looking further up the pecking order if we are looking to blame someone for the goings on at LFC.

14 Aug 2015 17:41:59
Gary neville? What planet are you on Ron?

14 Aug 2015 18:56:11
I am currently doing my coaching badges. I've met people from all walks of life doing them certainly you don't have to have badges though to be knowledgeable about the game,I've met some abolute dipsticks with the badges(including uefa),and some people just starting out,who clearly know more,they just never bothered making it their life getting the badges early. Especially some coaches of simple junior teams were much better at understanding methods,drills,necessity for warmups etc etc than a current coach learning it all at a decent club (his daddy got him into)

16 Aug 2015 14:17:21
Ron, you are indeed extraordinary in your way of defending BR with such contradictory, fundamentally dishonest and disingenuous posts. I don't know who you are but based on these your comments, I wouldn't trust you with anything because frankly, you are one "extraordinary" individual.

13 Aug 2015 19:11:21
"We need experience, not just youngsters. "

Dunga's response to coutinho being omitted from the Brazil squad. Guys I question our Liverpool managers abilities sometimes but thank god we don't have this buffoon managing us. Brazil was woeful in the copa as well. They added paulista and kaka instead. It's baffling really.

Though, Coutinho's absence only favors us. So I am not too bothered.

13 Aug 2015 20:13:11
Feel sorry for him tho, hope his head doesn't drop.

13 Aug 2015 20:46:16
He's 23 and has made 170 appearances for clubs in top European leagues (Inter, Espanyol & us). I think that's enough experience. And if we're talking about international experience, how else is he supposed to get it other than by being picked for international squads?

Dunga's not that stupid. It's almost certainly as Ed001 says above - external pressure to pick other players.

13 Aug 2015 21:15:08
Why worry?

International football isn't worth a balloon anyway.

At least he'll be home fit and ready for our team Ligerpool.

13 Aug 2015 21:53:47
I really think he's just stupid (@something red) Dunga has done this before and he failed miserably and will do the same again to prove god knows what. Squad selection seems hopeless in his hands.

14 Aug 2015 00:43:31
Dungs is a known failure so don't put much credit on whatever he says. Picked Hulk and a spent force like Kaka over Coutinho? My point is made for me.

14 Aug 2015 08:21:33
Everyone is saying that it's good for lfc. I'm not so sure, the little man obviously really wants to play for his country so I hope his morale and form doesn't drop as a result of this

14 Aug 2015 09:06:27
It is frustrating as the likely result is Cout's thinking in order to force his way into the squad he may need to play for current european super power. Plays in to Madrid or Barce's hands when they come calling.

14 Aug 2015 13:23:32
He'll win in the end. It will encourage him to get his head down and become so good that he will be undroppable.

13 Aug 2015 13:51:12
Hi eds, are we really interested in Motta?
Also Keita Diao?
Thanks
Hutch

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool need to sell before they can do anything - they cannot register the squad they have.}

13 Aug 2015 21:13:02
A year or two too late for Motta I think. Would have made a good signing if we didn't have Gerrard/Lucas over that period.

13 Aug 2015 15:24:17
Interesting interview from Moreno online. Says balotelli is a good lad, doesn't bother anyone. He (Moreno) Hopes to stay and fight for a place. Acknowledges that the defensive side of the game is where he needs to improve. Says Firmino is a beast.
Benteke is a beast.

I still think it is way too early to give up on him. He has loads of talent. And I remember this time last season he was one of very few bright spots after the first 3 games.

I do find the interview a bit strange though. It's not Sterling strange, but it is strange.

13 Aug 2015 16:47:30
He is an offensive full back bought by the manager who wishes his full backs press high up the pitch.
If you don't play with a CDM with this system, you fail miserably.

13 Aug 2015 18:26:06
He might be a good lad, but he's not good on the ball and he's not worth a penny wage that he earns.

I also know of two doormen who have thrown this weapon out of ale houses for being -a weapon!

13 Aug 2015 18:46:56
It's true, you need genuinely good DM to cover these positions as that allows two more players further up the pitch. But Lucas is being let go and even then he isn't consistently fit enough. Milner and Henderson are solid playing that box to box role but they miss key attributes and look better further up the pitch. The only way Moreno will be able to shine in our team is if Rogers somehow develops some defensive strategies whereby is turn can into a proper holding midfielder or teaches Moreno to be more defensive. Can Rogers do that, I'm not so sure.

I still think Moreno can succeed, but on his own account, not Rogers.

13 Aug 2015 18:53:57
Not good on the ball?

13 Aug 2015 18:58:16
Balotelli is a silly man.

13 Aug 2015 19:07:50
He just needs to show his man on the outside, it's beyond me why he doesn't because defenders are taught that as kids

13 Aug 2015 21:03:02
Poor positional play

13 Aug 2015 21:15:22
Kman

Well Moreno is just like Marcelo. Great going forward and not that good tracking back. If you play with a genuine CDM. Moreno will contribute immensely in the attack.

14 Aug 2015 00:49:59
EG is right. Go watch Southampton play and see how due to a true DM in Wanyama covering the gaps the fullbacks leave when they bomb forward, they can flourish as Clyne and Bertrand did. BR wants to play that way but doesn't fancy a DM to cover for them hence, cbs are exposed. Incompetence at its best or worst

13 Aug 2015 14:07:56
This is massively geeky but it's the way my brain works so I'm cool with it. I've attempted to map a Liverpool points progression towards certain targets (i.e. 90 points, 80 points etc.) based on game difficulty as opposed simple points per game. The reason I've done this is because we've got a lot of tough games early on and and I'd like Rodgers to have a fair trial rather than him be attacked for not winning away to Chelsea.

The result of this work is a a graph similar to a run chase graph in cricket (i.e. you can compare whether we're above or below a target line).

To give you an idea of what it tells me, after 13 games (the end of our difficult start) 28 points puts us on target for 90 points come the end of the season, 24 for 80, 21 for 70 and less than 20 suggests no improvement over last season.

Obviously this isn't science and it doesn't take into account form but it will become more accurate the more games we play and it pleases me. If anyone else cares and there's a way of doing it I can share the graph.

13 Aug 2015 14:45:06
I would be interested to hear your methodology, yes.
In all honesty, in my personal overview of performance I always stick to the 2 points per game rule as a requirement - in a perfect world, no matter the opposition our mighty Reds ought to be able to score two wins per three games, or close to that.
I also follow the alternative premier league table on the Red and White Cop forum, you might be interested to see it. It is also a fairly simple methodology, which gives a more accurate picture how clubs are doing compared to their targets and the toughness of their schedule.
Cheers, mate!

13 Aug 2015 14:37:19
If you've done it on excel, would be great to see the spreadsheet, especially seeing how you have ranked difficulty. No idea how/if it would work via this site, tho?

I too am a geek, and love all this stuff! Lies, damn lies & statistics, I say!

{Ed033's Note - we might be able to create some updating graph on a page on this site. if you wanted to, muscatred, you could input the new data each game into an online form (like a posting form), that would update the graph. If you're interested, please reply or use the contact form at the bottom of this page.

13 Aug 2015 15:46:49
Is this like a probability distribution curve or more of a simulation? For the graph I presume you will be taking alternate values . What will that be based on ? I think a good basis for that would ne points of the champions the top 4 teams and ours against the same teams.

would be very interested in this as I love statistics

13 Aug 2015 16:50:54
Here's one - 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot

13 Aug 2015 17:36:30
Yeah as an econometrics student I'd love to have a gander mate!

13 Aug 2015 15:47:59
Glad I'm not the only one :)

Drigan, I think it was Houllier who said he aimed to average 2 points a game, that figure always stuck with me. I had a look at the Alternative league table and my methodology was a bit different. Basically I ranked each game from 1 to 10 (1 being last years champions away, 10 being last years Championship Playoff winners at home). Add them all up I get a 'difficulty score' for the season, divide that by the number of points we want to achieve and we get a 'difficulty cost' for each league point. I map that cost to the difficulty of each game and that gives a figure of how many points we should expect from each game, simple!

Ed33, currently it's on a google doc, it needs to be cleaned up as it's a little 'mad scientist' at the moment, but could I share it with an admin e-mail address?

{Ed033's Note - admin email address = support@liverpool-rumours.co.uk

13 Aug 2015 18:41:38
I work off us winning ten away games and 15 home games, that gives you 75 points.
The other 13 games you should be able to pick up 10 points from.
With that sort of performance you are challenging.

13 Aug 2015 12:10:46
Read this today, can see why they want Balotelli gone:

Two stories reflect Balotelli’s listless attitude. During training Colin Pascoe, then Liverpool’s assistant manager, gathered the squad in a huddle close to Melwood’s perimeter wall. Thirty or 40 yards away, Jon Flanagan was hobbling by, an injured player facing almost a year on the sidelines. Balotelli started shouting towards him for no apparent reason, “Hey, hey…” interrupting Pascoe’s flow. For that, the Italian was threatened with banishment to the changing rooms.
Later in the afternoon, Balotelli scored a jaw-dropping goal from near the halfway line. Witnesses stood open-mouthed: first-team players shook their heads in disbelief, youngsters smirked nervously at the brilliance in front of them. One problem: the goal was at the wrong end.At 1-1 during a 10 on 10 match, with Balotelli on the weaker team made up of likely substitutes for the weekend’s game at Arsenal as well as teenagers from the academy, he deemed it appropriate to turn around and fire a shot towards Brad Jones. The goalkeeper was helpless. Balotelli thought it hilarious, laughing away by himself in the centre circle.

13 Aug 2015 12:51:34
But none of this is new, its not like he's become like this in the last 12 months.

What I still can't understand is why the 'powers that be' sanctioned his move to us 12 months ago.

13 Aug 2015 12:52:39
I'm not sure who's more idiotic, him or the club for buying him! He wasn't going to suddenly change because he's playing for Liverpool :/

13 Aug 2015 13:02:19
The one who bought him without any doubt. We just went and handed our head to him. simple.
But nothing to take away from the fact BR never played to his strength at all.

13 Aug 2015 13:16:50
The first thing I do Jay when I sit down to breakfast is type into google the word: Liverpool. I did this earlier and came up with the Irish Independents article - that you posted above.
Question: does anyone else open their day in the same manner?

13 Aug 2015 13:32:29
Mind you I think the second story is funny

13 Aug 2015 13:40:08
I was shocked just how many were excited by his arrival.

They have obviously never watched football to even judge him as a good player.

Disappointed by the Kop too for singing his name when many players struggle to even gain a pinch of that accolade.

13 Aug 2015 13:48:10
Somefella

I open my day by category coming on here. I remember coming over here i'm the morning and seeing the Firmino posts and being shocked as there had been no previous links

13 Aug 2015 13:53:52
somefella, that's exactly what i did this morning

13 Aug 2015 11:33:54
Hey ed01, a few questions for you, if you have the time!

1. Have you got any updates on Flannagan's condition for us? Do you think that he could return into contention during the first half of the season, and serve as a deputy for Clyne? This would make Wisdom's loan a little easier to swallow.
2. Same question for Sturridge - some rumours he might be back into play as early as september? How would you expect BR to shape the team to accomodate two top strikers? Or would it be more of a case of a very slow easing in of Sturridge?
3. If Lucas were to be forced out, as it would seem to be the case, is there a possibility that Liverpool would return to their pursuit of Kovacic?
4. A lot of rumours that Rossiter is very highly rated within the club, and might get chances as early as this season - but to your knowledge is he rated by the manager himself? Will BR give young Jordan a chance in the Cup and the Europa League, or would he opt for experience?
5. There have been a lot of discussions about the mishandling of players and the false promises made to them. I am not the biggest fan of Wisdom, I have to admit, and Lucas though I like, I think should play a rotational role and start about 1/2-2/3 of the games (this is only my personal opinion, I do not claim to be an expert). Back to the point, what I find horrible is the way they have been treated, beind promised first team football and then forced out. So, who does the lying within the club? Is it Brendan himself? Or are there other people that take up this task?

Sorry for the barage of questions, but I have been away from the internet for a while! Hope you are doing well, and looking forward to the Bournemouth game!

{Ed001's Note - 1. Flanno is unlikely to be back before Christmas, at best.
2. He should be back next month, just depends how careful we are as to when. I expect it to be a good month before Sturridge will be considered for a start.
3. The club are unlikely to make any more signings this window, regardless of Lucas going or staying.
4. He is very highly rated, but it is most likely he will only get a few cup games. Rodgers was being badgered to play him by the academy staff all last season and he didn't. I fail to see it changing this season, but I hope the new coaching staff will convince him to do so.
5. It is Brendan himself who has promised Lucas playing time and did so with Wisdom too. He also did the same with Ilori.}

13 Aug 2015 13:40:43
Let's hope he comes back the same player.

13 Aug 2015 14:48:44
Cheers for that, ed! Ok then, who does BR view as his cover for the LB and RB spots? Thus far we seem to have Clyne and Moreno as pure wing-backs, and Joe Gomez able to play in both spots - who else? Is ha planning to use Emre Can and Sakho out of their preferred positions? Or perhaps Tiago Illori? I am confused, and the Wisdom loan still baffles me.
Also, you mentioned that academy staff are pressing Rodgers to play Rossiter - are there any other players as well? And would the owners be willing to twist Roger's hand a little as they did with Jordon Ibe?

{Ed001's Note - Moreno is cover for the left back slot, not sure who is seen as the back up right back for now though. There are other players, Teixeira being one, that are being pushed forward. I doubt the owners will twist his arm like they did in January, as that was about buying players and he was told to make better use of what he had. This summer they decided to buy him lots of players instead.}

13 Aug 2015 08:52:34
Pace hurts . There's not a great deal . Ibe

13 Aug 2015 10:29:18
Our fastest players were sterling and sturridge. How far did that get us last season. Needed a change and I think we're better off for it.

Time will tell.

13 Aug 2015 11:22:54
^^^ ?!?!?

13 Aug 2015 13:26:22
im not sure what you're trying to say.

13 Aug 2015 04:29:45
Can anyone please type up the song sun for Coutinho? I heard parts but on TV in Australia I couldn't make it out.

13 Aug 2015 06:13:14
Oh way oh way. Oh way oh way. Coutinhio o o o! Coutinhio o o o! repeat

13 Aug 2015 07:04:41
What kinda song is this Phooey?

13 Aug 2015 12:31:34
Ha ha ha 😉 to many beers lol

13 Aug 2015 15:47:18
I think it's ole not oh way