Liverpool Banter Archive February 13 2012
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13 Feb 2012 23:21:42
So here we are! Sell suarez blah blah blah! Fergie the media win again! Madrid or barca get a world class player and let me guess? Carlton Cole :'( let's stick together tell suarez knuckle down or ship out on our terms! Let's not let fergie the FA and the media win! With hope in our hearts!
Spot on mate totally agree
Invernesian
13 Feb 2012 23:01:10
I have read this site now for some time and I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the posts of some LFC fans in particular to their perceived lack of knowledge since Kenny's return. Yes I stand firmly in his corner and proud to do so!.
For example I see on numerous occasions on how we should be challenging for the title or at worse top four because, and I quote here, he has spent £100m on players who are "clearly rubbish" or so they think. Wrong, he has spent a Net total of £32.8 Million, I'll repeat, £32.8 milllion (Man City currently have a player on gardening leave who they spent more on!) Kenny has spent £111,700 million but brought in £78.8 million. There is a link at the end of this post to check.
Now given this is still his FIRST full season and that he inherited a poor squad he is still behind the main players (Newcastle aside but you always get one exception to the rule, and how many think they will finish above us. really?), i.e. Chelski (forget AVB first season and look at the squad), Whiskey Nose, Arsene, and 'arry.
We currently sit 4 points from fourth place with the Arse and Chelski to come to Anfield, generally our away form gives us hope that we will pick up plenty on the road. We play at Wembley in two weeks with a good chance of silverware for the first time in 6 years and have a good chance to progress in the FA cup also.
Agreed the team are not playing to standards set earlier in the season but if we win the Carling cup do you not believe confidence will return? and we can achieve a top four place.
Be honest with yourselves people, at no time has Kenny ever said anything but he and his players will do their best to achieve success for us, no mention of winning a league, or doubles or trebles. That folks comes down to your own PERCEPTIONS & EXPECTATIONS, not his. I firmly believe Kenny is building from the bottom up, which is the right way to go. I also believe given the right amount of backing and time he will get it right.
I know we all have the right to an opinion but to basically slag the man off and his players in my mind is not an opinion but just a cause to moan. I can recall many LFC players who had the managers at the time "listened to the fans" we would not have enjoyed, Terry Mac, Ray Kennedy, Whelan, Dudek, Lucas to name a few.........TMac
www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/24-1
Good man TMac !
Dara D
Include Rush in that list who we 'should have got rid of'.
Great post. Sense all the way through. I get frustrated after a bad result and have my half hour of ranting and raving how we should sell everyone, but then I calm down, and my brain engages again. I can't imagine many other managers could have done any better, and defo none that loves the club anymore.
There is only one king, and his name is Kenny!
Cheers
JJ
What is the matter with you people yes kenny got money for players but he did also spend money on players. If i sell an antique for $500 and then go and buy some more antiques for $300 i have still spend that 300 bucks !!
With you all the way boys!
billynwa
It may sound good about 'net spend' but please, please answer me this.
We spent £30+ mil net and got £70+ mil in sales. WHERE IS THAT £70+ mil?
Is it in LFCs bank?
Is it sitting in some Swiss bank account?
Is it hidden under King Kennys bed, making a large lump so he burns his bum on the lightbulb when he goes to bed of an evening?
Or could it be that it's all gone because we SPENT IT!!
All these people saying we haven't spent over £100mil I can't understand what they are trying to prove. All I can say is I hope they don't work in finance!
Maybe the sums involved are to big.
If I sell something for £7, use that £7 plus £3 to buy something else how much of my money have I spent? That's right £10!
I may have got £7 from somewhere else but it was MINE. That money is now GONE, NEVER TO RETURN.
Hope this helps...
LJ {Ed001's Note - you don't receive the full amount of a transfer fee, there are 'loyalty payments' to the players, agent fees, solicitor fees etc to come out of those. Then you have completely forgotten to include the pay offs we had to give our surplus players and the contributions to their wages we are still paying now, for some of them anyway. So get that 70m nonsense out of your head, we got nothing like that coming in.}
Great post TMac.
I am glad we have responsible owners who are content to build a dynasty instead of buying one, andsacking anyone along the way who hinders it slightly.
Keep fighting Kenny's good fight TMac!
LIVERPRES
Then I guess the question becomes: having spent 32.8 million, are we a better footballing team than Norwich, who spent 6.8 million in the summer, and lie 4 pts behind? And what happens if Norwich finish ahead of us? Will we wait another season?
Ed001. Don't be so naive and argumentative. What it boils down to is no matter where the money went from sales be it agents fees, etc. It has been spent. We no longer have it. It is gone.
Or to put it another way, have LFC spent over 100+ mil on buying players? (even if some of these payments are staggered over a number of years). Yes or no. {Ed001's Note - now who is argumentative? I pointed out you are wrong and now you are completely changing your point to an irrelevant one that makes no sense. But to answer your inane response, no Liverpool have not spent that on new players, far too much money has gone on paying off dross that Rafa and Roy left us. So to whine about how much has been spent, like you are, is just pathetic and pointless, unless you want to direct it at previous regimes that have left us in such a poor state that we can't even give away the players we had at the club. We had to pay people to take them off our hands, that is how bad a state the playing side was left in.}
TMac. I think you are missing the point. Net spend matters not, except in terms of the finances of the club. Kenny has spent 100m on players. That is a fact. The question usually being discussed here is whether that 100m has been well spent by Kenny. It matters not who went out and how much we got for them, the players brought in should be valued on their own merit.
neekcub
Ed001. Cheer up. Did Cupid show up empty handed today? Don't worry I still love you, even though YOU'RE wrong.
Downing 20M
Carroll 35M
Suarez 23M
Henderson 16M
Adam 7M
Enrique 7M
Coates 7M
That adds up to over 100mil. I guess we bought these players and they're not on tick. And where was I whineing that we'd spent 100mil? All I was saying is that people should accept that this is the amount that has been spent, pure and simple. Whether it is money well spent only time will tell.
If I can help you with any more economics, let me know.
P.s. Cupid will be back next year so chin up!
LJ {Ed001's Note - what are you talking about? Are you a bit simple? Perhaps you should stop trying to act clever, when clearly it has escaped your attention that I have been talking about how little money we have got back and that the figures are incorrect for the incomings. How you think (or clearly fail to think as is shown by your poor attempts at humour) that showing the prices we paid for players has any bearing on the fact that we never recouped all the money from the outgoings, I really don't know. But in future I would hold off being a smart arse until you actually are smart.}
Ed001. Smart arse? Get real. My point was and still is that we spent £100+mil. There is no denying this it is FACT. Whether we recouped £70mil or 70p does not change the amount we spent. And if you look back to the top of these posts the amount spent is what's being argued.
And why do you have to get all defensive and resort to childish put downs when anyone questions you? I know you do a hard job editing these forums and they are excellent but we all have and are entitled to our opinions. Or is that not allowed?
LJ
{Ed001's Note - grow up, you were the one making pathetic little jibes because you were wrong and I pointed it out. I pointed out your error and now you are being a little whining girl about it and talking about something completely different which has no relevance to the point I made. I really don't care what the discussion was about, you got something wrong and I pointed out for you to explain why your figures were incorrect. If you can't take that, then please don't waste my time coming on here.}
Ed001. You are completely missing the point the poster was making in the first place. The exact figures are irrelevant. We spend what we spend. Incomings do not come into the equation, when gauging whether the money was well spent.
neekcub {Ed001's Note - and what is your point? I was only pointing out that his figures were nonsense. If people are going to quote utter tosh, I think it should be pointed out they are doing so. But it does show his judgement is a little suspect when he doesn't even know what he is talking about.}
13 Feb 2012 22:38:25
i paid £390 for my wembley carling cup tickets to see liverpool football club play in the final, in the hope that i'd get to see kenny dalglish a true icon in the clubs history lead his strongest team with luis suarez playing upfront. i paid this before saturday's events and i tell you this....i'd pay it again today despite the events and antics our club has gone through.
why? because i support the club, the manager and suarez regardless.
what will some of you (who do nothing but complain) say or do if suarez scores the winner? hyprocritical to want him out the club and celebrate his contribution if we win a cup final, and the same is said to those that desire kenny's sacking and then choose to celebrate a victory.
s.p
To answer your question: criticizing a player for his behavior, and then cheering when he scores, does not make someone a hypocrite.
Why? Because, first, many of us support the club, more than individual players or managers. I will continue to support the individuals have left the club. And I will criticize when an individual is deemed to harm the club.
And second, if Suarez scores, it is because his teammates have set him up. Or will Suarez be taking the field by himself?
How many of those calling for Kenny's head were crying out for us to get AVB while Hodgson was manager? Bullet well and truly dodged imo.
Long live KK
cozinoz
I wont change my opinion about suarez. He's lost the faith of kenny and thats not acceptable. If suarez scores i will because LIVERPOOL scored. The same way that i dont cheer for carroll or gerrard if they score i cheer for the pool.
KiwiRed
13 Feb 2012 22:25:59
I keep reading these articles in 'news'papers criticising Liverpool and I ask myself "who are these people' putting (you can't call it real writing) these words on paper? They are just members of an industry that has really disgraced itself throughout the world and become a laughing stock - "The British Press". The majority of them will be forgotten next year. I've forgotten their names already - not really - they're not important enough to forget.
Dutchmal
13 Feb 2012 22:23:04
Just on a lighter note, I'm sat here in my white lfc shirt, which I like by the way.
I know there was a big reaction when it first came out but I was wondering what the general concensus is on it now. Agree for like, disagree for dislike...... You know how it works.
Craig
If the blue was red i would of loved but still think it is ok
Valley Red {Ed001's Note - the problem is that the blue stands out and becomes the first thing you see. We have had other shirts with blue on them, but they were gold, for instance, with a blue bit hidden away on the side. It is actually a nice looking top, but that blue is a little, well it still makes me uncomfortable when I wear it.}
To be honest craig i really dont mind the kit, yer it mite have blue on it but it also has a liverpool fc badge on which is more important than any colour, ive gotta say the only problem for me is i cant bloody wear mine anymore, why? because its got DOWNING 19 on the bloody back, an every time i go to watch the game in the pub, downing seems to have an awfull game (as usuall) an i get looked at funny for having his name on the back. just my luck, i did the same with aquilani last season haha, maybe ill just give up with shirt names from now on
scouse simon
Scouse simon , You can get the number 19 steamed off your shirt and put "A PINT" there instead. Then when you go the pub to watch the match. Your shirt will say DOWNING A PINT. ;)
kidmillions
13 Feb 2012 22:17:09
I'll try to talk about something other than you know what...
I'm not going to get into who we should buy etc... however I have a few questions..
I keep seeing Johnson is likely to go in the Summer; is he of the same opinion, I mean if we know does he?
I hear Flanagan has been tried out as a central midfielder due to a "pace" issue; is this correct?
If Johnson was to leave I'm assuming we would be looking at a replacement (Isla would obviously be a good choice (could cover at LB as well if needed)?
If Auerillo leaves in the summer (unless someone gives him a new 2 year deal - not his fault and feel sorry for the guy but business is business) is Robinson thought of highly enough to be Enriques cover for the whole season?
Spearing to me is only ever going to be a squad player but (apart from the 2nd goal at the weekend) he has look quite assured - is he seen as having a future at the club?
I've not seen much of the reserves or U18's this year are there any stand out performers (obviously Sterling was last year) and more importantly anyone closer to the 1st team?
Thanks.
Hoola
Having watched Flanno play a few first team games last season and this pre-season. I watched him at Hull i was in the first row on Flanno's flank, the boy is quick and does'nt shy away from a tackle. The lads got a bright future at RB, DM, CM or what ever.
KNEE JERK
Hey ed, im of the opinion that spearing will be moved on when coady is ready for the first team. U agree?
Indian Buzzer {Ed002's Note - I have no idea.}
13 Feb 2012 22:14:38
I can't believe the ego of these players. You should do as your gaffer and employer tell you. That's it.
The Real KB
I couldn't agree more with all Real KB has said.
At the end of the day the fact is Suarez agreed
to shake hands and told Kenny he would. Like
a little sniveling brat he then proceeded to embarass
Liverpool FC, Kenny and the staff and all fans associted
with the club, in front of the world. I've been following for 35 years and this is the first time i really cannot support a guy who is wearing the shirt. Why ? the reasons given above are enough and i hope he is made to realise that our great club is BIGGER and BETTER than a lying toerag.
Rant over i'm sure i'll be accussed of not being a real fan etc, etc by some who can't see beyond their own noses. Well the club comes first and foremost before any player as far as i'm concerned and he has brought absolute shame to it.
MickQ
No one is denying the lad is an ass. But on the eve that Citeh confirmed Tevez is on his way back to being a city player (after everything that went on there!) which will now make them even stronger. Why the hell should LFC consider becoming weaker by letting our player go!?
dd
Yep for me he has lost all the faith of Kenny, he stabbed him in the back and decided to do it his way. As soon as you cant be sure that a player will at least try to do what you want as a manager, their position is untenable. That is why i believe that Suarez must leave liverpool
KiwiRed
KiwiRed
If we took out all the players that peeed off their managers, neither Chelsea, Man u or 'Citeh' would be in the top 4 on a regular basis - In fact, Norwich would probably be champions.
dd
13 Feb 2012 22:05:15
Suarez made a mistake just like every person in life will.
But i wud rather have sumone who kicks the ball away in fustration and gets stuck in and doesnt want to b on the losing team than players who look like they dont wana b there and look forward to only the paycheck.
Time for every lfc fan to get there scarfs out and sing our hearts out for those in red!
Long live the king!
13 Feb 2012 21:29:09
Please Please Please support your club, owners, manager, player.
As Supporters we are entitled to our opinions but should still support especially through troubled times - if you are not sure then look at the letters YNWA
This incident is just slap in the face to wake everyone up on how deal with the media
Will this have a lasting effect on the club ? Answer : No
In a few weeks time there will be another crisis to worry about eg Rangers etc and this whole saga forgotten about
Should we get rid people over this ? No way unless lessons have not been learnt and people carry on the same way - give the people involved a chance to put thing right - judge them on their reaction to adversity and how they deal with it - if they come back stronger then we have all gained - to lynch them too soon
Leam Red
Hmm i understand where your coming from but theres also the famous liverpool motto no one is bigger than the club. Also when standard chartered are weighing in on the debate i think that suarez could be in trouble personally. Because as soon as the sponsors threaten to leave Suarez has to go.
KiwiRed
13 Feb 2012 21:15:09
Fk when will they let it lie? read paper-Oliver Holt again outve order.Watched News-Still banging on.Then we hear Standard Charter aint happy,never mind owners.And those who say dont apologise,you can bet Standard Charter withdrawing sponsership would affect us!Beginning to think next Season,Fenway will sweep a huge new broom through club,that will shock us all.And as long as not too much too soon,just maybe we need it.I totally backed Suarez,till he MISLEAD all at LFC.Made us look idiots,and Saturdays caused all this.Still think Kenny shouldntve played him also.Just because lad was like a timebomb.Look at ball he lashed outve play
13 Feb 2012 21:12:45
i think its time now for us to all move on from the suarez debate... at the end of the day the lad is just a kid and like all of us on this planet we all make mistakes and none of us are perfect ...the key is to learn from them and i am sure he will because hes such a talented footballer who wears his heart on his sleeve and is a born winner ...so let us real liverpool fans get behind him and the rest of the lads....and go and win the 2 cups and get 4th spot ....we cant be divided anymore the team need us supporting them 100%.....ynwa .....jf96.....
*redsheep*
Thank god for some sense, post of the day!
I have to disagree *redsheep* mate. I am perfect and I don't make mistakes ;)
Sean.
13 Feb 2012 21:02:16
Pleading ignorance of the culture in a different country is no excuse.
Luis Suarez has been in England for over 12 months now. That's more than enough time to realise that Ferguson controls the press, the FA and the referees.
If you take him on you've as much chance of winning the fight as Alan Carr against both Klitchko brothers at the same time.
redmersey
Never learn do u ? Paranoia abounds, inspired by your clueless PR inept manager - still blaming everyone but yourselves for the mess you've created
To the little lost Manc spam, get back to your page where they allow to talk senseless dribble about other teams that actually base themselves on pride and do not stoop to you levels. Talking about our manager not handling the press, yours blanked them for 15 years so you can think about that next time you comment. Kenny is showing the same respect that the media is showing Liverpool, he sees them as what they are; a pack a vultures circling for the slightest tibet of information regarding a player. We are better off without them and whilst Luis does not help the situation, we should not allow the media to make money off our backs when they portray us in such a negative fashion. As for people calling for Suarez to leave, I wouldn't be so hasty, he disrespected the king and he will pay. But that does not mean he has to leave, if he earns us some points that get us fourth I'll be delighted. If he sweats blood for us in every game and shows his commitment then he can stay, but he is walking the tightrope right now. He is a fantastic player, but everyone has a weakness. Lets see if he can hold it in as he may not be a saint, but there are far worse demons out there.
Unnamed poster again spouting off about paranoia, does he now what it means, Posters have a right to opinions, most opinions are formed by what a person sees or hears. The unnamed poster probably has no opinions but his head is full of carp that he has read in the newspapers.......Bobbinred
Funny u mentioned the Klitchkos. Didnt David Haye not shake Wladimirs hand and abuse him,he talks like Borat, I wll handicap him, fruad,He sucks, he's crap,run like a b****, I'm going to smash his head in and he will be bleeding on the floor." And still refused handshake countless times. If your english your ok.
13 Feb 2012 20:57:30
Jonson
Come Saturday, I'll be at Anfield shouting the boys and Kenny on.
Then at Wembley the week after (hopefully - still waiting for my ticket to arrive).
That is what it is all about mate.
I might have a moan or a criticism on here, but I'll be 100% behind the Redmen when they take to the pitch.
I bet that Kenny will get a rousing reception as well.
The Real KB
We're not playin till sunday KB!
Just seen your reply to that earlier post KB. Hope you have a great day at wembley mate but it hasn't exactly been handled great from the start. Why their on his case over a handshake when we've backed him all the way is a joke in my opinion. He didn't shake Evra's hand,that is it. Watch it and ask yourself who's hand moves off its original line and it ain't Suarez's. I can't believe the hysteria that's gone with it.I said it before,not shakin someone's hand really doesn't offen me as much as quite a few on here. And I won't have backed Suarez till now then withdraw my support for the none shakin of a hand. It seems a pretty lame thing to do. That aside KB have a good day out,hope your tickets come on time mate.
Jonson
Do none of u pay attention ? He's apologised for NOT taking Evras hand - for once he's admitting wrong doing and yet u lot seem intent on ignoring it - last time I seen blinkers that effective A P was giving it Dixie
Lol, is it Sunday ? You know what I meant.
Jonson, i have watched the video off the This is Anfield website. I was raging on Saturday. Losing the game, Evra, Ferguson, it's all a red rag. I nearly posted in, was gonna have a go at ed002 as well to be honest, and would have got myself banned. I was gonna go to OT but would have probably ended up arrested. That was part of my earlier point. It's bad enough reacting in the heat of the moment but especially so with them lot. But, after a few days calming down, Suarez got it wrong mate. It was a symbolic thing to do, and he should have swallowed his personal pride and do what he was told.
Mind you, to be fair to him, he did well to hold his temper at the end cos I would have kicked off there.
The Real KB
Has anyone came up with the reason why the handshake protocol was changed for this game?
The Irish Rover
The handshake protocol was changed by the referee. looks like dowd is taking webbs job, he wont be too happy.
13 Feb 2012 20:45:10
Who do Man Utd get in the next round of the FA Cup? Anybody?
The Irish Rover
Scumthorpe United?
They get a handshake from Suarez
13 Feb 2012 20:44:45
luis should of shook his hand wearing gloves as it was cold . he could of then threw the gloves away after the match. just heard suarez has threw his HAND IN ??? ba bum
alan waddle
13 Feb 2012 20:40:09
I know it's a long way off but I'm somewhat intrigued to see who we're linked with for the summer, I'm pretty sure whoever has a good season for the lower teams we'll end up buying, I.e downing, henderson, Adam, Carroll
But I think Adam has been a good buy, Henderson could be useful and I think carroll is finally coming into his stride, his performance against tottenham in particular was very good. But downing, he is no where near good enough in my opinion.
Jose Enrique for me has been our stand out player this season, if not him then agger, it's brilliant to have him fit again (touch wood).
I also think Suarez will leave, I really dont want him too but that's just my opinion
The players I'd like us to go for, realistically are such as Eriksen, Adam Johnson, Darren bent etc as I really don't think we'll come in the top 4 but you never know, I would also have a stab at fletcher from wolves.
Thanks
Jord
13 Feb 2012 20:35:29
any reason my posts dont get posted eds?,i see a lot of similiar posts, great job by the way this site is addictive {Ed002's Note - I have no idea - do you sign them?}
Ye ed im having the same problem ive sent numerous post an none of them are on IM NOT BANNED AM I?LOL
ACHILLES. {Ed002's Note - I have not been around, so someone else has cut them.}
13 Feb 2012 20:32:59
why is it that ?
downing has not preform'd aswell as last year
carroll preform'd aswell as last year
if henderson was bench'd you have
reina
kelly
agger
skertl
enruqie
johnston
gerrard
adam
downing
suarez
carroll/bellers/kuyt/henderson?
dannybhoy
13 Feb 2012 20:30:18
Looking forward to brighton at the weekend, then im off to wembly.
Come on reds lets get behind the team and club, and lets bring home the silver.
13 Feb 2012 20:17:36
Hazard joining spurs next year,when you think about it this is our best chance to get in the champ league if we don't it could be many years before we ever will,man city an man u will always be there Chelsea always spend the cash and arsenal can only get better.spurs might be the club that get mourinio an wether you like him or not he brings success were ever he goes.
Kp
13 Feb 2012 20:14:41
If for whatever reason dalglish isnt the manager next season id love to see roy evans given another go DORSET RED
Oh my god
DORSET RED, jesus mate, are you having a laugh? Roy Evan's is a lovely man and a bootroom legend, but as a manger?! He might as well have been representing Suarez in front of the FA because as nice as he was, he had real trouble organising a decent defence too!
Sean
I was having a laugh cus I know king kenny is going to be there next season. DORSET RED
13 Feb 2012 20:13:49
video clip that's doing the rounds amongst the club's office staff. It's a 9 minute excerpt from The Boys From The Black Stuff when the looney ex-bouncer goes round forcing people to shake hands. (shake hands - get it?)
Funny as hell (although I think the pub landlord is the funniest character in this clip)
tinyurl.com/7o8ubnl
13 Feb 2012 20:08:23
luis suares is going nowhere unless somebody comes in with a stupid offer which at the moment is highly unlikely.
what he needs to do is get his head down stop the play acting on the pitch and start converting the numerous chances he creates into goals.he is a fantastic talent and the reason old whisky nose would like to see the back of him is because he realises that once he starts finding the back of the net then liverpool wont be far off challenging again.
what needs to change at the club is the directors and chief executive who are running the club while the owners are overseas.
ian ayre has handled the whole evra incident appalinglily right from the start, and because kenny wears his heart on his sleeve he has come across as arrogant and irritable when being interrogated by an almost poisoness media .
they have been spiteful on purpose knowing that they are guarenteed a reaction from kenny and it makes wonderful tv for them.
the club has been made to look unprofessional and amatuerish in its handling of the whole situation and if it made a statement right a the beginning saying suares used the word he said because of a failiure to understand the meaning of the word in english and that he apologises for any offence caused but that it is commonly used in uruguay and does not mean anything racist then at most he would have had a 3 game ban,it would of been treated as a misunderstanding and the whole incident would have been long forgotten.
instead because or our poor handling of the situation
luis,kenny and the club is being crucified every day in the papers and it is 2 months since the whole sorry episode occured
13 Feb 2012 19:50:46
for me suarez needs to stop looking like he has been stabbed everytime he goes to ground he is not doing himself any favours the best thing he can do from now until the end of the season is just get his head down and play football cut the moaning out a bit it and take the spotlight off himself for a while.
JJ blackpool
13 Feb 2012 19:48:28
Their's no doubt in my mind that Liverpool's apology's,well Suarez's and K.K's were because they were told to by the hierarchy. They back and back Suarez and then for a s**tty handshake,he's supposedly let everyone down. Well who else can they bland but Suarez because its pass the buck. Ian Ayre suddenly decides to make a statement now,over a handshake when he's had nothing to say on the whole incident previous. Clearly he's been told by the owners. Suarez will get my support regardless of what the club say,I reckon by the way the handshakes were conducted,the way Evra clearly lowered his hand,he's been stitched up. And because of the negative media coverage,the owners want to draw a line under it and move on. If anyone should leave Liverpool it should start with the top man over here,who's silence before Sunday was deafening,is Ian Ayre. He's showed zilch leadership on this matter,maybe if he had of shown a bit more we wouldn't be here now on about of all things a none handshake,how petty are some people.
Jonson
Spot on Jonson.
Ozone
Jonson
I usually watch out for your posts and agree with most of them. But you're talking out of your hole here mate. Suarez was wrong, Kenny misguided. So the owners have had to step in to end it. And I truly hope that is it now.
If Suarez wants to cry about it, he can do it somewhere else.
If he wants to stay, fine. But the handshake was hugely symbolic, with the whole football world watching. And if he'd told Kenny he was gonna do, well he should have made sure he did that.
I can't believe the ego of these players. You should do as your gaffer and employer tell you. That's it.
The Real KB
13 Feb 2012 19:47:56
Glad we didn't get Tevez! What a Tosspot!! rather have Luis than him any day off the wk!!
Imagine we got Evra - an even bigger head
13 Feb 2012 20:07:54
why if we are all fans are we split on here.wot has happened has happened, so wot! suarez never shock hands theres no law so lets drop all this crap and move on. its hardley going to make any1 hate us is it.
on football terms lets get behind our great club, and support them thts if theres many on here tht actually goes to the games. i for 1 wen i enter tht great ground will support and back them to the hilt.from kenny to every1.
we are in a final next sunday and we dnt need this rubbish reaped time and time agen.lets go win the league cup hopfully get close or win the fa cup,and see where we are by the time end of season
arrives. then the doubters and wot ever, you can have ur say. now i for 1 will be behind our team, mangement and players, if you just want to complain i doubt tht you have ever been to our home [anfield]. i'm liverpool till i die liverpool till i die i now i am.......
lets reunited and full support for rest of season atleast com'on
YNWA IN KENNY WE YRUST
chris
13 Feb 2012 20:00:12
France Football have come out and said hazard has agreed to join tottenham!
If this is true and happens we had as much chance to sign him as anyone else but we obviously didn't put effort into making it happen.
His choice has supposedly come down to the club that will most likely give him game time.
Very disappointed if this is true and it happens.
Sounds like one of Del Boys deals.
Or maybe even Aurthur Daily.
If this is true it's all down to the fact that Spurs are going to be in the CL next season.
Who says being in the CL doesn't attract the best potential talent.
WE HAVE TO GET 4th PLACE.
LJ
13 Feb 2012 19:52:45
Remember 'Shake Hands' from Bleasdale's Boys from the Blackstuff?
Topical on many levels.
13 Feb 2012 19:36:49
Onwards and upwards anyway, and let's leave all the garbage behind now.
I'm looking forward to the match at the weekend. I'd love to see Maxi getting a start beside the big man and Luis, Coates, Carra and Kelly getting a run out, and Bellamy getting a rest so he's fit and fired up for the Cup Final. Gerrard needs the game to improve his sharpness, because I think he's still missing something since his extended lay off, so let's get him fully fit for the run in. They're a pretty decent side Brighton, and we'll need to keep their two Scousers quiet, Navarro and Noone who were very good in the Carling Cup match. With them playing at Anfield, expecially Noone, they'll be extra fired up, so I expect them to play their hearts out. I still fancy that we'll give them a good beating though. Come on Redmen, do your talking on the pitch!
Sean
13 Feb 2012 19:35:31
if fsg made liverpool and luis apologise , then im afraid for our great club , we are getting hammerd and fsg wont back us , the hand shake should have been made by evra 1st , but if we keep on bowing down to anyone that attacks our great club the i'd rather fsg was not our owners , we all know fergie and his antics , we also know he has backed his players to the hilt and if the media does not like it or says something against them he bans them , thats what kenny should do , i think kenny is running scared of fergie , otherwis he would have appealed suarez 8 game ban , and fought for him like fergie has done for his players , if suarez goe it will be bcause the club let him down and let him be branded a racist
13 Feb 2012 19:33:41
I'm losing the will to live.
Why is it that anybody who dares to criticise LFC is then labelled as a Utd or Everton fan (or whoever). Are you dimwits so myopic as to never question anything somebody tells you?
LFC is our club and it needs to be aware that their public display on this pitiful topic has developed into a slow motion car-crash and total humiliation - as well as giving Utd (of all people) the chance to hold the moral high ground.
LFC has wallowed in this sewer of indignation and whataboutery. They have monumentally f***ed up the reputation of the club and its fans. They have handled this like a bunch of schoolkids.
Be prepared to criticise as much as applaud. LFC are damaged - and its self-inflicted.
And I wish you lot would quit with these FA/Utd conspiracy theories - its embarrassing and downright dumb. I suppose the FA faked the moon landing too.
All of this could have been handled swiftly at the start if Suarez and Liverpool had done the decent thing. Instead its dragged on to be the defining story of our season and one that will possibly derail us as we try and achieve a top four spot. Top four was there for the taking - not now, I fear.
Apologies for repetition but I feel stunned by the hordes of blinkered 'fans' whose idea of support is to blindly defend the club even when it needs criticising.
I hear a lot of talk about the Liverpool Way. Currently, this doesn't exist. Show some decorum and bring that ethos back please.
King Tubby.
Amen to that King Tubby.
JRG
You say 4th place isn't there for the taking now. Look at the table, then look at our fixtures.It's very much still on,you can have your opinion mate,but you need to be a bit more optimistic and less critical if you want to be taken seriously as a supporter of LFC. We might not get 4th,but my throat will be sore after our home games against Arsenal and Chelsea.
Jiminy Cricket
Jesus mate, have a look at things from our point of view. You can not tell me for 1 second that Evra did not pull his hand away as Suarez walked up. He drew Suarez into this. I do believe Suarez made the wrong decision, but Evra is as wrong in my eyes. Then to do what he did at the end of the game, it's a wonder Suarez didn't pull his F**king head off, cos I would have. And you sit here spouting about LFC have done so wrong, do me a favour. You've got old whiskey nose spouting about who Liverpool should and shouldn't play. Concentrate on ur own team idiot. The Liverpool way will always exist. I think Suarez is naive about the English game, and if we have to blame LFC for anything, then it is the fact that they haven't educated him quick enough (though they probably weren't to know anything like this was going to happen). And I would be devastated if we didn't stick by our own player, especially against a dirty scum player!
Another Manc post,
can smell them a mile off.
Your damn right mate, Suarez isn't the innocent party and should show some reporse, humility and possibly shame. For not just the handshake, but also the original incident. Despite what some of you may feel, he must be guilty in some form whether it be out of stupidity rather than malicious. Evra isn't a saint and I've got no time for him, Fergie or anyone else that stirs things up then completely blames others.
We need to try and properly move on from this, Suarez needs to do his talking on the pitch and not back chatting, moaning ad bitching. He needs to play the way he can and that goes for others too. Carroll is much improved but needs to stop blaming others when the ball isn't perfect, Downing needs a rocket lit under his ass, he can play and has all the ability to be a quality player. The rest are performing quite well and if we get into the quarters of the fa and a cup in two weeks then hopefully a strong run in the league may help us forget all about this.
Papa G
I don't think the Fa faked the Moon Landing?
Why would I? Everyone knows that never really happened it was all staged for the benefit of the Russians. :)
kidmillions
As soon as Suarez admitted that he'd used that word when talking to Evra, then Ian Ayre, Dalglish, or whoever, should've come out with Luis, pleaded cultural ignorance rather then racism as a motive, APOLOGISED, took their medicine (probably about three games) and all this would never have happened.
We know that there is a terrible bias against us from some of the media and press, but we have alienated almost everyone with the stance we took, including any relatively fair minded commentators. The whole situation was ill thought out and badly handled, which has therefore given our many haters an almighty stick with which to beat us.
David
Good post and good reply David. Makes me feel better to know that not all Liverpool supporters are prepared to defend the indefensible.
Truely hard to believe that people are still Evra pulled his hand away! No I'm not a MANC. Just a Liverpool fan with 20/20
vision and My head not buried in the sand!
Makes us Look better as Fans if we can be objective but Loyal!
13 Feb 2012 19:16:57
For next match, i would love to see adam and gerrard in mid, kuyt and bellars on wing and suarez behind carroll..that is if kenny plays suarez. Thoughts?
Piccolo
Didn't you see the Bolton game pal, with Gerrard and Adam in the middle? it was a disater, with neither of them either willing or able to track their runners.
Lol i actually didnt..thanks for pointing out...then spearo with gerrard and adam replacing hendo, suarez taking kuyt's position, carroll upfront, replace downing with bellars..that would be my team..
Piccolo
13 Feb 2012 19:16:15
The good thing about Saturday was that at least we had one winner on the pitch. Stewart Downing won the Hide And Seek Tournament. To be fair though, the other 21 players on the pitch didn't know it was being played. Apparently Kenny only subbed him off so that he could remember what he looked like.
Sean.
Well said re downing
13 Feb 2012 19:08:15
firstly because of where i live i cant get to many games i just hope at the next home game there is a big banner in support of kk and suarez.
we are liverpool we back our players and managers.
i believe kk and suarez were made to appologise so im not reading any guilt there(i read that kk is a true red and backs his players even when there wrong)
yes its 50/50 suarez and evra, evras hand backs away so suarez dont bother with him , where as i would do the same we have to remember modern footballers are paid a fortune so even though evra has wronged him he maybe should of made an effort to wait for his hand.
Now i would like a man u fan to answer me when fergy sorry whisky and evra will appologise for the after match celebrations and saying liverpool should never play suarez again.
Fact we appologised for ouir incident when did man u or cantona appologise for trying to kick a supporters head off.
When will keane appologise for ending a career.
When will man u fans admit for once they dont smell of roses.
I feel our owners are letting us down, yes i know they have to be seen to do something so as not to tarnish our name but the original evidence against suarez is not overly compelling, and john barnes used to get bananas thrown at him di he go wingingto the fa NO.
And on a final note well done to mr barnes the only person to talk sence through this whole matter.
remember liverpool back there players and managers so all you people saying kk out need to grow up, but your probabily to young to remember hillsborough and the 96 and the reason why we hate the sun and mirror.
Dazza (flame if you like but your not a true red your a red from a few miles down the road go change your gerradr shirt for a rooney one and do us all a favour).
Well played whiskey nose you turned reds against reds but remember what goes around comes around.
Here Here mate. Well said bud
Coily
13 Feb 2012 18:53:02
What a disgrace this club has become across the globe due to 1 player.
We are making the blues look good,
I think he will leave in the summer and we will be left with that donkey we wasted £35 million on, then the manager will probably walk {Ed009's Note - You must have had a great day!}
If in doubt! Blame Andy Carroll!!
Hardly original.
Cheer up mate :)
cozinoz
13 Feb 2012 18:39:40
Personally, i believe both Dalglish and Suarez should go at the end of the season.
Suarez has lowered the image of one of the greatest football clubs in the world. He hasnt scored that many goals really, and does something more or less every game he could get done for.
Dalglish is a legen and an icon but his tactics wnd substitutions are at times baffling, to the players as much as the fans, and he joined Suarez in his dimishishing of our clubs image with his incessent raging defence of Suarez. If you look at the first 30 games in charge, Woy had a better record than Dalglish!! Im not saying bring back Woy but I would prefer a better tactical manager. I know ill get slated for what iv said, but they are all facts.
I would love a manger in th mould of Benitez with Dalglish number 2, Tactics matched with Passion.
Any thoughts.eds?
Anfield Andy
A surprising paucity of facts among your list of facts there Andy. Opinions are not in fact facts, and that's a fact. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that you're factually incorrect. But that's not a fact. As a matter of fact, it's a veritable fact free diet. But the glaring problem, again an opinion and not a fact, is that your opinion's are sh1t.
Sean
I've got a thought, but you probably don't wanna hear it.
I'll let you have a think what it is.....
Coily
Wow
k-h
Of course you'll get slated and rightly so
Personally, I think you're a numpty
You, Sir
Are a complete knob
J-Red
What do you mean rightly so?
We had a better record under Roy Hodgson yet because Dalglish is a Liverpool icon he doesnt get the same amount of flak as Hodgson did.
Suarez, a man who is constently causing a negative image for the club, when we were buying him for biting a player and for a hand ball in the world cup, when we bought him he behaved for the first few months, now he is regularly getting involved in bad situations. I dont care if he was guilty or innocent, he has admitted saying something to Evra, regardless of whether he did not know it was not acceptable in this country, ignorance is not innocence, he then gets an 8 game ban, with an extra game for a different matter, then on his first appearance he is almost banned again for a violent outburst a scott parker, then causes a whole world of trouble because he put his principles before that of the club he plays for.
Id rather have a striker who plays all season, not just for the 30 games he isnt banned for, and one who we dont have to worry about defacing the image of our club.
The only reason anyone is moaning about what I said is because Kenny is a Liverpool Legend, and rightly so, but that does not make him immune to criticism after a string of bad performances in the league.
Im saying what most people are just too ignorant to think.
Anfield Andy
13 Feb 2012 18:32:16
I've been one of those fans saying kennys tactics have been rubbish lately and suggested he's going in the summer but I've been watching LFC TV and caught shanks quote about us fans as being united and loyal and I've not been either so I'm big enough to admit it cheers Pk
Managers are mainly judged on results in the league and dalglish is useless then they are judged on players signed and he is useless at that to. The Carling cup might save his job this season but next season if we aint in the top 4 then the king will get thrown of his throne
13 Feb 2012 18:25:28
Jesus can we all just get over all this crap big deal what's done is done, all the fans who keep going on about this is as bad as fergie,evra and the FA move on for Christ sake it's pathetic I'd say the mancs are laughing there heads off at some of you everyone is just repeating everything:evra pulled his hand back,fergie this fergie that,cop yourselfs on it's the fans who are making the club look bad on this site, matt
13 Feb 2012 18:18:50
downing been the worst signing.iv yet to see him play well for us.luis should stay.we need to buy 2 wingers as ours are poor.we also need a striker BIG TIME
13 Feb 2012 18:09:25
Daily mail stating that Standard Chartered stepped in and brought pressure on Suarez to make his apology.
Think he is a great player and we must support him for the rest of the season.
He has made a mistake,just like Cantona did,who was accepted again by Man Utd
If his future is out of Liverpool then so be it
So some shi*te bank who've paid a paltry 20m are now telling the club who & who should not be playing for LFC. Lets all give up & go home.
dd
13 Feb 2012 17:56:47
I am wandering why the handshake protocol was changed on Saturday normally the home side go along and shake the away team. So who decided this as the fa had not changed this?
I believe that there has been an hidden agenda against suarez and liverpool and united seem to get away with anything by the fa.
I do believe that our apologies was pressure put on by the sponsors lets hope they was not sincere. Suarez had already served his ban so to make him look this bad again is a complete media conspiracy against him. I believe it is because he is a foreigner who people are jealous of because he is so good.
Mighty reds
This was dealt with on Talk sh*te today during their Suarezathon. The word is that it was prearranged by PL and Phil Dowd. As you know the captains stand either side of the officials. If United had gone down the Liverpool line, Evra would've been last to go and Luis was at the end of the line next to Pepe. Should anything have happened, the ref would've been too far down the line to intervene. As it was Luis had to pass Evra in the presence of the ref which in hindsight was just as well. This procedure happened once before when Wayne Bridge had to pass John Terry. Hope that explains it.
Red Heart
I doon't like using the word conspiricy but I do believe Surez was set up. Firstly the handshake protocol was reversed allowing Surez having to walk towards Evra. Secondly Evra momentarily lowers his hand thirdly when Surez approaches Ferdinand Ferdinand was standing almost sideways and Surez even lowers his hand to try to shake Ferdinands hand. With the reversal of the protocol Evra was facing the camera and the camera could not get a clear veiw of what Surez was doing but picked up quite clearly Evra's over the top reaction. I also think pressure was brought by the FA and the FPA to apologise or be charged.....Bobbinred
Bobbinred, do you believe lizards secrectly run the world? or that the twin towers were an inside job? seriously mate, do you think you might be slightly paraniod???
Poster who don't leave his name.
I,m not paranoid just forming an honest opinion, I still think Surez was set up end of.....Bobbinred
13 Feb 2012 17:50:06
PLEASE LETS TALK ABOUT THE UPCOMING MATCH AND SEASON AND NOT ABOUT PAST HISTORY
PLEEEEEEEASE LEAVE IT GO
Evered
PS Ive got tickets for the final cant wait
I agree, to a point.
Take it on the chin and bite our lips that these lists have won but.....
Revenge is best served cold, they will not get away with this.
Let's start thinking of ways we can get man u discredited. But then again will the media report it?
We will have to wait until the prince of darkness, Fergie retires.
13 Feb 2012 17:49:52
Get Kenny Out Get Suarez Out...Oh my God are some LFC and UTD fans that stupid you have to follow the words of Old Whiskey Nose...If Rooney was Caught banging another Granny behind a chippy would we go on and on about it No we'd take the pi** for a few days then let it go So Suarez got screwed by UTD it will pass just ignore the media if people have not realized the media suckle on the tit of Fergie and make out that him and Utd are amazing then its down to them for being mindless fools...Just dont join them
MJ
Spot on. I actually found Rooneys granny goings on quite funny.
Rooney was in bed with Granny and she's says to him " I'm not too old for you, am I Wayne?" to which Wayne replies " No I like older women," and promptly dives under the bedclothes; couple of minutes later Wayne's head pops out and he says " That was bad about the Titanic" Granny says " What made you suddenly say that Wayne?" " I've just read it on a piece of paper stuck to yer bum!" says Wayne Ho,Ho!
kidmillions
13 Feb 2012 17:48:00
after the game suarez said we didnt know the full story , now with who went 1st in the hand shakes shows us what he is on about , man utd say they did ot know the rules , but were the 1st team at old tafford to sake the hands 1st , and we were the only ones in the country to do it at an away ground , so i think we were made to go 1st to stop evra having to shake hands 1st , because suarez got found guilty he had to make the gesture , why oh why does kenny and the club not back suarez over this , and stand up to the mancs , this is why suarez never shook hands with nevra ,
I know what you mean, but the way you typed the post looks like you've had a few bevies.
Could u be any more of a t*t ?
Let' move on lads,as we are never going to win this argument.We can all have our opinions ,but it' time to draw a line under it, and now look forward to at least one wembley appearance,and we are also not a million miles away from 4th.Lets start talking about the footie again.Ynwa
Jiminy Cricket
13 Feb 2012 17:35:38
Is Christian Poulsen on loan in France or was he sold for free to the French club?
Year loan i think mate
MJ
On loan, with a view to never stepping foot in Anfield ever again please.
KNEE JERK
Do'es it really matter? he's crap and he no longer play's for us! if we did get any money for him it would be a very big bonus!
KNEE JERK, if Poulsen did try to step into Anfield, he'd probably trip himself up. Anyway, how long do you think it would take him to get back from France considering it took him a good ten minutes to get the 100 yards from Anny Road to The Kop during a match?
Sean
13 Feb 2012 17:24:40
Come on then Macca lad are we going to be getting shut of Luis in the summer as the old alky down the road told us to or have FSG actually got a set of b****cks?
ITs not a qustion of stones it a question of doing the right thing for the club?
13 Feb 2012 17:21:16
ive been told the reason man utd accepted the apologys was weve agreed to let fergy have the say on any body we want to buy in the summer the fa and talk crap sky have agreed to this
this is fact
soul man
Who cares if they except it or not Utd already have what they wanted Fergie has disliked Suarez after he tore their defence a new @ss hole
MJ
As we all know, United either accept the apology or the FA would have seen to it that Evra and United and Fergie were fully investigated for the antics both during and after the game. As usual old red nose was completely out of order but gets his way....personally I think he is a devious chap and he has deliberately created this whole situation by dragging Evra to the ref at the start........I know the eds may not agree with me but thats how I feel
tel 1949
13 Feb 2012 17:17:26
I wouldn't lose too much sleep over Standard Chartered publicly expressing their dismay over the incident. For them it is an opportunity to get their name in the public domain and to be able to say how they condone racism etc.
All of our sponsors are sponsoring us for one reason, we are a global club and their brand will get a lot of exposure from us. They probably know that by sonsoring us they will lose a few Manc and Everton customers (I personally have always boycotted any products from Man U shirt sponsors). They probably hope that the balance will be met by getting some custom from our fans (I did used to favour Hitachi, although have never used Crown paints, Candy, Carlsberg (as a bitter drinker I think it tastes like piss) or Standard Chartered). What our sponsors probably do realise is that if they dropped us in response to this incident they would probably gain little but suffer a widespread long term boycott from many thousands of Liverpool fans around the world. They only need to hear how the S*n boycot has been stuck to [Oh and before anyone jums down my throat, I am not likening dropping us over Suarez to what the S*n did after Hillsborough].
However I can understand FSG being concerned as although it is unlikely they will lose existing sponsors, any potential sponsors (eg new ground) will at the very least use this fiasco as a bargaining chip to argue the term of the sponshorship deal in their favour.
For similar reasons I think there is no chance of FSG trying to sell us now. Currently our brand is tarnished and our valuation would suffer as a consequence. They are wise enough to know that in a year or so almost everyone outside our club and the Mancs will have forgotten all about the incident and that our reputation will recover accordingly.
Bob
Umm.. how they condone racism ?
Yes I bet Standard Chartered really wan't to be linked to racist stories. I can just see there adverts.... Want a bank loan ? then come to the bank thats all white.
AS Simon Cowell says.....all publicity is good publicity, no matter what its for....Standard Chatered are a decent firm and appreciate what LFC are trying to do, they will stick by us Im sure
Tel 1949
If you trow enough mud it sticks and no company at the end of the day wants Sh**te associated with them.
Multi nationals are conservative creatures on the outside even if their underbelly is rotten.
Why would you think that FSG would sell us? after goin through all that crap i.e court case gettin us?
After the credit crunches and recessions of the last three years, I think I can safely say that bankers aren't going to be at the front of the queue to dish out lessons in morality. They'd be a good few places behind the Presidents of Syria and Iran.
Sean.
We should be concerned because sponsors are well within their rights to withdraw any funding and sponsorship deals if its damaging to their image, with no compensation being paid to the sponsored party.
Do you really want to lose 20m a year in sponsorship money? Its happened plenty of times, Kate Moss, Britney to name two.
Nevada
Nevada, I'm not sure we make that much dough from selling women's L4 perfume anyway, so I wouldn't worry too much mate ;)
Sean
Kate and Britney are still going strong - perhaps even stronger!
Dutchmal
13 Feb 2012 16:40:02
Having watched the non handshake, evras celebrations etc. There area few points i would like to make. Firstly if you watch the handshake, evras has his hand up continuously to shake the next persons hand. When Luis approaches him, he withdraws his hand momentarily. Luis spots this and continues on to de gea. Evra then stares into the camera and points at Luis. Although i know this wasn't staged,the media failed to pick up on this. Also,i believe evras celebrations after the match were extremely inappropriate and could have caused violence amongst supporters, yet i do not hear many condemning his actions or demanding bans or apologies. I agree that Luis was wrong but so was evra. As supporters, we should be backing each of our players,not slating them every time they have a bad game. I just hope all this aggro will not lead to Luis leaving as he is one of a very few stars in our team. So support him, all of the team, kenny and the club..if you can't, then perhaps you should be backing a different club as this is the Liverpool way
Ballina Red
Tried to post soemthing similar this morning but it got "lost". I agree, Evra held his hand back and then made a fuss of it. I believe that luis intended to shake his hand but moved on when Evra held it back......pots and kettles in my view.
Iggypop
I totally agree with what you said about Evra's hand it was a bit higher than his hip so suarez would of had to move 90% to Evra's 10% for a shake to happen. But we can go on about this till we are all blue in the face and it wont change a thing Fergie has started the ball rolling again with the "Luis should never play for LFC again" speech (tw@t) and the media will follow...Funny how he is so biased when he continuely bigged up Cantona after nearly dislocating a fans face but anyway let LFC deal with the Suarez situation and stop all this apology crap...After all the rubbish who out of us would of shook Evra's hand I would if i Spat a huge flemmy Grock in my hand...Also what is it with Downing Kenny issue's a warning to players after the Bolton game and they seem to be a better team who have hit form Downings words "I have hit form now" and he played like he literally could not be bothered If any player is to go in the summer it will be Downing... Suarez,Carrol,Henderson and Adam have scored goals downing struggles to run on the pitch
Long Live Kenny and LFC Y.N.W.A
MJ
So, none of you believe the club or Kenny, when they said Luis 'misled' us?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Denial
I believe them mate i stated earlier this morning that if Luis said he was going to shake his hand he should of but watching the hand shake replay (sad i know) you can see that Evra hesitates and when Suarez moves on he grabs Luis arm...Planned
MJ
Blair the club needed to save face! it really is not rocket science!
13 Feb 2012 16:36:52
Is it me or is kidmillions deluded.I think he is probably kennys love child. Anything that he dont agree with its a manc post well mate its getting boring now come back with somthing new apart from another manc post. And get a job because you seem to spend a lot of time talking rubbish on this site so i guess your on JSA
Why is he deluded because he speaks his mind and backs liverpool ? Aren't you speaking your mind by questioning him ? This is a banter site pal so live and let live and either read or dont read his posts because thats your choice !
He's passionate about the club and he's one of us so I've got to stick up for him. Even if I also had a few clips around the ears from him. His heart's there mate.
I think it aint his posts as much as some of his replies they are boring and always end in manc supporter
I'm losing the will to live.
Why is it that anybody who dares to criticise LFC is then labelled as a Utd or Everton fan (or whoever). Are you dimwits so myopic as to never question anything somebody tells you?
LFC is our club and it needs to be aware that their public display on this pitiful topic has developed into a slow motion car-crash and total humiliation - as well as giving Utd (of all people) the chance to hold the moral high ground.
LFC has wallowed in this sewer of indignation and whataboutery. They have monumentally f***ed up the reputation of the club and its fans. They have handled this like a bunch of schoolkids.
Be prepared to criticise as much as applaud. LFC are damaged - and its self-inflicted.
And I wish you lot would quit with these FA/Utd conspiracy theories - its embarrassing and downright dumb. I suppose the FA faked the moon landing too.
All of this could have been handled swiftly at the start if Suarez and Liverpool had done the decent thing. Instead its dragged on to be the defining story of our season and one that will possibly derail us as we try and achieve a top four spot. Top four was there for the taking - not now, I fear.
Apologies for repetition but I feel stunned by the hordes of blinkered 'fans' whose idea of support is to blindly defend the club even when it needs criticising.
I hear a lot of talk about the Liverpool Way. Currently, this doesn't exist. Show some decorum and bring that ethos back please.
King Tubby.
My my,we really have got some wet and limp wristed supporters that have jumped out of the righteous shop to preach to everybody who's got their own mind,and don't see that a none handshake is hardly genocide. If Evra really wanted to shake his hand and keep his so called dignity (bit hard when he's none left to lose) he wouldn't of cleary move his hand when he realised Suarez was next in line. In my opinion Suarez would've shaken his hand if Evra hadn't started to play his games. Know that's just my opinion,I think people should make their own minds up,but I think Suarez deserves our backing. I ain't gonna back him since all this began,then withdraw my support over a feckin hand shake.
I will say that if people did support Suarez and now have washed their hands of him are somewhat hypocritical.
Jonson
To unsigned poster.. I am deluded to think that mancs would think I was anything other than deluded and if being deluded is supporting your local boyhood team throughout your life ( I was born in Anfield less than 1/2 mile from the ground) then so be it! I am a real supporter and proud of it! nothing plastic about me!
From a Deluded kidmillions
Orwellian Double-Speak right there.
Well said jonson, Wouldn't like to be stuck in the trenches with half these quitters on here
kidmillions
I just find it difficult to believe that after the unequivocal support Suarez received from nigh on everyone kidmillions. Some sense have taken such offence at something as week and meaningless as a handshake. I firmly believe he would've shaken Evra's hand,had Evra not decided to of shifted his hand. No way does he deserve for everyone to turn on him for something so lame mate.
Jonson
Kid Millions - you are a lost cause.
13 Feb 2012 16:30:10
How about we all stop posting stuff about Suarez and kenny we are just adding fuel to the fire and all the other fans are reading this stuff and are bound to be having a laugh at us, let's just as Liverpool fans just ban the hand shake talk and move on cheers DES
From an arsenal fan, i can confirm we are laughing at you.
AG
Well we were laughing at Arsenal for most of the season how you backed your manager when going through a bad patch you see AG thats why we have a song named you will never walk a lone and stick to the words
Well we were laughing at Arsenal for most of the season how you backed your manager when going through a bad patch you see AG thats why we have a song named you will never walk a lone and stick to the words
AG the arsenal fan i can confirm i saw 70,000 fans laughing at wenger at old trafford do you remember that
13 Feb 2012 16:25:32
I personally think Suarez has till the end of the season to prove his worth and critics wrong then Liverpool will decide on what to do with him plus play Adam every game he seems to better going forward than any other midfielder in our squad IMO
Agree Adam was much more effective as an attacking midfielder for Blackpool.
kidmillions
Yes have to admit adam has been our best midfielder this season including gerrard, without his passing we have nothing going forward.. and he should have started against man scum.. imo and its only an opinion gerrard has been poor this season yes he has scored some goals mostly pens but he has been culpable in us conceeding a few aswell cus he dont track back s he used to
13 Feb 2012 16:20:40
when kk came back he played youngsters and we all thought great the money invested in youth is coming through, now he picks spearing who is "swear word" fabio injured all time, wheres sterling,coady etc? need to be given chance.
even putting them on the bench would help, also why bring shelvey back and not play him?.
he would of benefitted from full season at blackpool.
hate to say it no chance of top 4 this season, we are falling behind all the time. the ship needs to be steadied, but its the same carp every year.
Have you phoned the samaritans yet lad
Oh god not another gimp spouting carp, if your not happy support another team, we don't need idiots like you slamming our manager and players, they need our full support right now and beyond no matter what happens on or off the field, Fergie would welcome you no doubt because it's that type of rubbish that would come from his mouth too.
Wilf
Don't rock the good ship Liverpool
Those of us in denial don't want to know you to**er. Everything in Hunky Dory in la la land.
The original poster state's some valid point's! why slate him?
13 Feb 2012 16:15:09
I would rather have Suarez in my team than many of the passengers who were wearing a LFC shirt on saturday.
Yes, he is a 'hot head', impulsive, but he shows passion and determination, the same can not be said about many of his team mates.
Suarez and Bellamy are firey competitors, and that is what we need a lot more of.
So what if he didn't want to shake evra's hand, would you, if you had been accused of that.
Agree with every word.
If he goes in the summer I think it'll be a big loss to us.
Adam
I know it's getting boring but the point isn't that he chose not to shake Evra's hand - the point is he said he would.
It will be a terrible loss to the club. Suarez has been the best thing that has happened for our club in a long long time.
Indian Buzzer
So what's the point
13 Feb 2012 16:15:00
I'm a little disappointed in soom of the so called LFC fans with regards our player additions from the summer.
Henderson is a youngster & to me looks like he has a bright future, he captains young England & is still learning his trade, he is definately going to get better, he is starting to settle to the Liverpool playing style & will learn from Stevie G.
Enrique had a poor game this weekend but has been an excellent addition, he gets down the flank & will help Carrol out with cosses into the box.
I do hope the Suarez / Evra spat is now done & dusted & we can get back to real Football matters.
I have learnt from working overseas about cultural differences, with some there pride does get in the way & its not easy for them to yield.
Lets look forward to the rest of the season & keep supporting our great club, Liverpool.
Micky Dover YNWA
You forgot to mention Downing's contributation to the game on saturday! or lack of it!
I think that was his point mate.
Muzmacol
Where in his post Muzmacol do'es Mickey Dover mention Downing? or anythin to do with Downing? as i've read the post a few time's and i cant see anythin to do with Stewart Downing!
13 Feb 2012 16:13:19
just went for a job interview didnt go too well I explained nicely that I was a liverpool fan and i just don't shake hands
I hope you didn't take a can of beer with you to the interview. King Willie
13 Feb 2012 15:53:36
Regarding the handshake issue, am I the ONLY one who noticed on saturday that this was a stitch up why you ask,well when the 2 teams line up BEFORE the hand shake process takes place it is the HOME side that is meant to break first,so shaking the hands of the opposing team before running to their favourite end,had this of happened then as it should have then it would have been EVRA to approach Suarez with his hand and NOT the other way round.
I am right about this as just been announced on sky and it WAS PHIL DOWD who made the decision, why? and why the F--K did Liverpool agree to this?
Also Sky MOVED the timing of the adverts right before the game so the HANDSHAKE/NON HANDSHAKE COULD BE SEEN.
Alan50
Wouldnt suprise me. Personally I have always disliked Evra for how he acts and I am sure it would have irked me to shake his hand. BUT, Suarez isnt a supporter he is a paid professional and should have shaken his hand and let his football do the talking. Whatever the line up it shouldnt have mattered. He should have been briefed, Sky were always going to make a meal out of the whole episode. He's made KD and all of us who defended him look ridiculous. he should go.
I'm getting really bored of this s**t now... Its over, move on, 2 massive cup games coming up, lets concentrate on the important things
The FA's protocol on pre-match handshakes states:
The Home team, led by their captain, then walks to shake hands with the match officials, and then the away team's players. Once each Home team player has finished shaking hands with the last away team player they disperse to their favoured end to kick-in.
why was protocol changed for what they the FA have clearly believed to be such a significant moment.
Interesting point - would put the emphasis on the visiting team to welcome the home team to their ground which is a bit weird. Wonder when that change was considered, nice spot Alan50, intriguing... Don't think it would have made too much difference in the scheme of things though,
Suffolkn'Red
To back this theory you only need to follow phil dowd's eyes in the video clip - as soon as he has shaken hands with Suarez his eyes just follow him
Something was said in the tunnel before the game along with Evra pulling back his hand and then only raising it once Suarez had passed him
Having said that we cannot hide from the fact that this incident has been used by the media to their advantage to the detriment of LFC's image
Leam Red
Would just like to acknowledge the Rooney interviews where he tells Geoff shreeves that the handshake matter was between 2 individuals and had no bearing in the game and Rooney had just played 90mins in the same game
For Geoff shreeves to push Kenny and imply the handshake incident had influenced the game was totally inappriopiate especially after what Rooney had just said
He probably did it so he was near the captain, EVRA, if there was any trouble. Suarez should not have agreed to shake his hand and let LFC get the handshake called off or start him as sub, or he should have done what he said he was going to to and shook Evras hand.
It's all done and dusted now, cant change anything. Time to move the f*** on and start doing what he's paid to do bloody do, score and set up goals.
If LFC put as much effort in on the pitch as they do in playing the put upon victim we'd be in a CL position now easily.
Let's start making our football the reason why we're making the big headlines in the news. The rest of this carp needs to stop.
LJ
Not wanting to drudge this all back into the spotlight (too late?) but have to admit to this being somewhat of a valid point. I'd be curious as to why it was done that way. My suspicion would be so that Evra (e.g. 'the aggrieved') didn't have to be the pro-active party in the shaking. Don't necessarily think it was intended to be malicious, but more around 'concern' for Evra's comfort. Anyone closer to the clubs have any insight? Either way it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway and is so much spilt milk now.
13 Feb 2012 15:47:04
No further action to be taken against suarez not shaking hands with evra
Wat are you talking about! Why would they take action, they can't force them to shake hands. It is up to the players.
Gaz b
13 Feb 2012 15:42:17
Standard Chartered have contacted the club to raise their concerns regarding the incidents on Saturday and the whole controversy in general. For all of the fans who have blindly accepted Suarez's versions of events and Kenny Dalglish's handling of the situation, they would do well to realise that the consequences of this whole episode could be far reaching. We can't compete with the gate recipts of Arsenal or the Mancs nor we can't compete with the endlessly deep pockets of City or Chelsea so Ian Ayre (in particular) has done remarkable to get deals from Arrow, Standard Chartered, Jack Wolfskin, etc which has given us some chance of competing for big signings. Most fans believe that the only thing that stops big signings coming to Anfield is the lack of CL football. If we don't clean up our act, sponsorship money will start to flow away as well and you're looking at another Blackburn. Dalglish has been very out of touch in this whole regard and when you throw the performance of his signings into the mix, his position as club manager has to be in question. The loyalty he shows to his players is admirable but good management involves good decision making and this has been lacking. Right now, I'd take Rafa Benitez back in a heart beat and give him some money to spend.
Well said M8. Even though you might get sticks from some wools pretending to be big LFC fans
What gets me is the fact that liverpool fc , kd and ls have all apologised for what happened on saturday, i agree that suarez not shaking hands was a mistake but i think he was being niaeve rather than vindictive, man u have since accepted lfc apology and thanked them for it so why cant we as a fan base and a club allow suarez to let his football do the talking till the end of the season and represent lfc in the way all our players do, by playing with pride, passion and determination. if suarez scores the winning goal at wembley next week he will be a hero, he will be in the press for the right reasons, if he helps us secure fourth spot and all the trappings of champions league football he will be a hero, if he helps us progress in the FA cup he will be a hero so what im getting at is, lets just let him get on with his football and put the last few months behind him , man u have accepted his apology, i as a supporter of lfc have accepted that he made a mistake so if the press will stop hounding him and our great club then we may finally be able to move on and get back to football.
YNWA
TOMMY C.
Handling of the Suarez afair aside, and allowing for the fact some of the 'EPL proven' signings haven't worked out (stand up Mr Downing in particular) I think this season is going pretty well for Kenny! I know 7th isn't where we want to be and shots on target % is shocking, but I honestly think we're doing OK - or am I just easily satisfied with a cup final appearance?
Liverpool FC is a global brand .We really stand to lose put on support in Africa and elsewhere. we should go on a Pr drive to counter this immeditley
Rafa spent alot of money.
If you'd really take Rafa back then you really are a clown
Chris in Tamworth
As i've pointed out before Rafa was playin politic's with Itch and Titch and exposed them for what they really were! i dont think there's a manager tactically better than Rafa! his only downfall is his man-managment! so give it a rest Chris!
One of the posters said "We really stand to loose put on support in Africa..." Maybe so, but then solution is to get some good quality player(s) from Africa and win African hearts. King Willie
Oh I'm so sorry mr anonymous, I will give it a rest, I didn't realise you were all knowing (thought that was only me!). I couldn't give a stuff what you've said before about Rafa, the bloke was the architect of the decline which KK is trying to halt. We went a season too long with the bloke as it was because idiots like you couldn't see the wood for the trees.
"in Rafa we trust"? It's like a broken record so why don't you give it a rest
Chris in Tamworth
To the above poster - can you give me an example of these great tactics that Rafa used. The only two trophies he won at Liverpool were down to Gerrard either dragging the team from 3-0 down or scoring last minute belters. Or were they part of his tactics?
JRG
Where did it say that MU had 'accepted' our apology?
I know everything aswell Chris.
KNEE JERK
Rafa was a decent tactician, in regards to substitutes anyway. His last season in charge was appalling and his brand of football (except the runner up season) was horribly boring. That said he has taken us closer to the premiership title than any other manager won us our 5th champs league trophy, in addition to this he got the best out of Gerrard and Torres.
Lets not be too harsh on him, I dont think he should come back to liverpool but lets try to remember the good stuff he contributed to our club and that he has genuine affection for the city and the club. Rafa is a decent tactician and for the most part, a decent guy.
Nevada
Chris i never said in Rafa we trust! and he was the architect of our decline? So Moore's and Parry should'nt take that accolade for selling us to Itch and Titch? i was sayin give a rest for more or less slaggin Rafa!the man took us to 2 CL final's in 3 year's winning 1 an FA cup win in between and CL qualification all but one year his last! and the run in of the 08 09 season was the best football i've seen played by LFC since 87 88! the man is a legend to true Red's! and to the poster under Chris! who changed the side at halftime and gave the player's belief to win in 05? who took us to 2nd in 09 when we should of won the league? who outed H&G for what they were? i was'nt advocating for Rafa to be re-instated i was just stickin up for him! in Kenny we trust?
13 Feb 2012 15:29:18
When some of you LFC fans refuse to see the bigger picture and simply allege and cringe on to media and FA victimization, that only goes to portray a very myopic mindset.
Apparently, the management headed by Kenny didn't realize the damage he was doing to the club's image when he let this incident go on and on without trying to douse it. Our great club has sponsors who are investing their hard earned money and you think they are happy with what is happening at LFC this moment?
Dalglish, with a chip on his shoulder almost the size of a rock has brought disrepute to LFC and needs to go. I sensed this some months ago from his endless media conferences. The man is just arrogant and lacking in logic. His tactics both on and off the pitch are just plain awful and I'm fed up with him. He let go of good players and recruited mediocres for reasons best known to him. Let him go now while there is still some decency left.
Home truth
I believe that when you give somebody enough rope they will hang themselves. The owners and board have let KD handle the whole affair. Method in madness?
Which players that he 'let go' are you refering to?
Home truth.... how dare you speak about Dalglish as arrogant? The man lives to serve our football club, the things he has been through whilst our manager you could only wish to understand. You should read his biography maybe you will learn a few home truths....
Tactically... no doubt there have been mistakes, but what about Chelsea, Man City away victories... was he naive then? 3-4 games aside our football is enjoyable to watch but the cutting edge is clearly a work in progress. Which good players did he let go that didn't want to?
Aqua? Cole? Poulson? Konehead? Do me a favour... his signings I'll give time, just as I gave the signings before, before I make a judgement...
Richards
Are you sure you support our Great Club. ( Mancs No)
Rely to richards post you are spot on great post. to many people open there mouths to complain about everything without looking at what kenny has done for liverpool. ok 5 or 6 games we haven't got the results we would have liked but i have enjoyed all the other games this season. thats a big improvement from last season.
buddy's reds
13 Feb 2012 15:26:11
If Suarez leaves, then Fergie has won. How many of you true LFC fans want this to happen?
King Wille
I agree. He is privately loving every single minute of this..
Now that all this has happened with Saurez I hope that every single abusive word is reported (racist or otherwise) and punished by the authorities. The press have a lot to answer for IMO
If I was Kenny I would instruct my players to instantly flag any abusive comment aimed at them throughout the remaining matches.
Saurez was in the wrong but he has been made an example of by the premier league. This tough standpoint has to be upheld in all future premier league matches.
Gazman
I would say this kind of view point is EXACTLY why Liverpool have been stuck in the doldrums for years now. Some of you seem more interested in proving SAF wrong than protecting the image and reputation of one of football's historic institutions. Until Liverpool forget about Manchester United and SAF and start concentrating on yourselves (I understand this isnt the case for all of you) then you'll never return to your former glories. Though Im happy for that to be the case ;)
TK-Red
13 Feb 2012 15:26:09
cant wait for the game against brighton...
remember... football? this media circus sucks, if its not carrols form, its unwanted attention on certain matters.
the only way it will go away is for the media to not fuel the fire. its a shame some peoples jobs are to instigate complete rubbish to sell a piece of readable paper that will end up in the bin.
aussiepool tristan
Totally agree mate, I bought a paper for the first time in years and they used the whole handshake thing in stories unrelated to the match itself - paper went in the bin and I won't be buying another.
KernowRed
13 Feb 2012 15:23:24
Rudi,
Suarez said he was going to shake Evra's hand but never, he let himself, the club and the fans down.
The singing was good as there was alot less Munich/Hillsborough related chants than last year.
Evra's reaction at the end was, at first pretty funny tbh and i acepted it as he had personally just won his own mini 'battle'. It was when he started to milk it when he purposely ran past us thumping his badge whilst looking directly at us. This in turn made quite alot of people sing about Munich for really the first time throughout.
What the cameras didn't see, having watched the game back is Evra stopped celebrating but then he seen Suarez walking off and made a b-line in his direction.
Both of the players i cannot stand to watch, although i will alwyas cheer Suarez as he plays for Liverpool.
KT!
13 Feb 2012 15:21:34
Cant believe media are acting over how all Suarez had to do was shake Evra's hand to end the saga when not too long ago they all condemned Sepp Blatter for making such a suggestion.
13 Feb 2012 15:05:15
As an LFC fan, I feel very sorry for all you Kenny's lovers and worshipers. The truth is the man has completely lost touch with the modern game and even his defensive mindset and approach now reflects on the team's performance. 11 draws at home for your information is the same as 6 losses at home. Now tell me, would you rather not win 5 and lose six home matches than draw all 11? All these happened because the manager is just too conservative in my opinion.
Again, his poor signings are there for you all to see. Some of you guys have expressed discomfort with the idea of the English FA preferring an English man to manage the National team. Perhaps your red tinted glasses didn't let you see anything wrong in the nationality affirmation policy that recruited the likes of Downing, Henderson, Carrol et al to the detriment of quality and class. I remember Dalglish was even willing to pay 20 odd millions for Phil Jones who is unproven just because he is English. Now that my friend is mediocrity in action. His signings have backfired and we are currently languishing in 7th position. Say what you like. But these are facts. Dalglish needs to go for the good of LFC.
In summary his sins are:
1. poor signings and waste of money
2. Bad tactics
3. Too defensive both in mindset and team's performance.
4. Cannot handle the press and is portraying LFC in bad light
5. Has lost the plot.
Home truth
{Ed001's Note - you are clearly an idiot, what national bias to signings are you referring to? The one that saw Liverpool sign Adam (Scottish), Suarez and Coates (Uruguayan), Bellamy (Welsh) and Enrique (Spanish) perhaps? Come back when you have a clue please.}
It's clear that the poster beleives everything the media say and doesn't have opinions of his/her own.
KT!
Haha well said ed
"Fans" like you need to go "For the good of LFC..."
Matt S - YNWA
'11 draws at home for your information is the same as 6 losses at home. Now tell me, would you rather not win 5 and lose six home matches than draw all 11? All these happened because the manager is just too conservative in my opinion' C'mon Ed001 - if you going to bother to criticise idiotic opinion at least comment on his inability to add up the points too!
Hes a manc lover imo
ED001, I think this idea of recruiting fans to show blind loyalty to LFC and lashing out at those who have the balls to criticize the club is not doing us any good.
Before Enrique was signed, we approached Everton for Leighton Baines but did not succeed. The same goes for Coates who was signed after we failed to get Jones. So, clearly, there was a preference for "young and British" as was even reported in some club statements. Suarez had more or less signed before Dalglish took full charge if you remember.
Go ahead and call me an idiot. At least I've said what I feel. Why don't you also say what you feel and let's hear it loud and clear. And for your info (on a side note), Isla is now injured and would likely be out for the rest of the season. At least we can now be free of this incessant campaign for him to replace Glen Johnson. {Ed001's Note - you say you are not an idiot, then you say that Isla being out injured for the season will stop him being suggested as a replacement for Johnson for next season! Ok mate, that is an intelligent statement isn't it? We did not go for Baines, no one has made any serious enquiries for Baines, no one would be welcomed if they did, as is well known. So I have no idea where you got that from.}
13 Feb 2012 15:02:30
Ed,
If Standard Chartered decided to pull the shirt sponsor, how much would they need to pay roughly, to do it.
KT!
P.s. I know it's not likely to happen {Ed001's Note - I have no idea but the penalty clauses are extremely stiff, that is why it happens so rarely unless one side can prove breach of contract.}
Cheers Ed.
KT!
It can be done if it can be established that the sponsored party knowingly engaged in action which they knew would be damaging to the Sponsor. Obviously not all sponsorship contracts are the same but most sponsorships have this ideal inserted to some effect in the contract.
I think it would be fairly easy to draw that conclusion in the current circumstance given that as ed002 pointed the whole thing could and should have been avoided with the simple withdrawal of Suarez from the matchday squad.
Nevada
13 Feb 2012 14:20:01
Hi Ed,
interested to hear your comments on Henderson. You think he's had a pretty useful season, albeit unspectacular? Not sure i agree really as i struggle to see what he's added to he team. He doesn't influence games as you would hope from a £20M player and he adds nothing in terms of goals and very few "assists". Ok he's been asked to fill in for Lucas, who we've clearly missed, but he was getting games when Lucas was fit and playing. I just don't see how Henderson gives us an added edge, especially at Anfield. I've watched him in games recently and he's been a padestrian, with games passing him by. I'd like to see KK offload him as one of the those who "aren't up to the grade" and bring in someone else. Mark Noble of West Ham plays a similar role and influences games much more, in my opinion. What do you think Ed? Chesh1969 {Ed001's Note - I think you are being a little unfair myself, he is not getting assists because there is little movement in front of him, leaving him very few options to pick a pass. The rare times he does get a player to pass to in a dangerous position, the shots have been missed or the keeper has saved it. More of an issue is the rest of our team, Gerrard is rusty after a long lay off, Kuyt is a work horse but has not played well all season, Suarez can't hit the side of a barn at the moment, Carroll is still finding his feet and form, Spearing offers nothing in the attacking third, Johnson has been poor, Downing has offered little (and that's being kind). Henderson needs better players around him before he can be judged a failure.}
Again, i can't agree with you. I'm not just commenting on Henderson's current form, but of his contribution throught the season to date. Saying he needs "better players" around him is missing the point as, in my opinion, he's been poor value for the money we paid and i'd hope for a more influential presence for a £20M player. It's hard to compare his impact to others but, Van de Vaart and Phil Jones were two players Liverpool were linked to on previous occasions and both have made much more positive contributions to the clubs they joined. I don't expect a world-beater but I'd hope for someone who can change a game every now and again. Chesh1969
Henderson is being overplayed by Kenny, he should share his playing with Shelvey and the reserves
I am sure he will improve in the future but at the moment he has developed this canny knack of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and he is forever chasing shadows all over the pitch and charging in on players who are too quick and smart for him that is just down him being too eager
Note : he is not been asked to fill in for Lucas
Leam Red
He didn't cost £20MIL but don't let the facts get in the way...Not a game changer yet, but he'll improve. Hope Spearing does too - in the last couple of games he's made a number of overly ambitious passes that have put us on the back foot after just regaining possession:I wish he'd keep it simple and leave 50 yard crossfield passes to Gerrard and Adam( if we have to make those riskier passes at all.) Where is the pass an move we're famed for?
13 Feb 2012 15:10:58
For a few years now I have watched what our captain does when there is an incident on the field. Zilch! John Terry Ferdinand Evra Kean and other captains are always there first suporting their team mates whether they are right or wrong, discussing or having a go at the ref or lines men or just trying to diffuse the situation. Our captain is no where to be seen, Alonso and Mach used to do it but you would think Gerrard would be the first one. No, he seems to want to keep clear and not get invloved. Perhaps if he had acted like a captain on the field we wouldnt be where we are now. And knowing that the handshakes might be an issue he should have made sure that he was next to Saurez to help out, was left to Reina and others. One of the greatest players in the red shirt but please Gerrard stamp your authority on the pitch both on the playing side and man management side.
You honestly believe that Terry, Ferdinand, Evra and Keane are good examples of how a captain should behave..........................damn.
JRG
That is true but before that was left to Carra
Now we see agger or skirtel having to step in while Gerrard keeps his distance
I wud personally relieve gerrard of his captaincy duties so that he concentrates more on his football. Its high time a younger candidate is blooded while stevie n carra r still around to give him tips. Agger n lucas wud be my favorites.
Indian Buzzer
Absolute rubbish. So you expect our captain to go charging round like a loon, chasing the ref over every decision. Grow up idiots. When things need calming down or he needs to speak to the ref he does. It's called being disciplined! Let the scum and the chavs be the ones known for hassling refs.
The poor man can't do right for doing wrong. If he'd gone to chavski who would you be blaming now.
LJ
JRG
On the pitch? Yes. There is a line of behaviour that, of course, shouldnt be crossed but players such as Keane, Terry, Evra, Gary Neville etc are just the kind of players that become cult heroes. They may upset opposition fans but they show an unwavering loyalty and leadership to their clubs and their teammates. I understand your point, I think, that you are trying to make with regards to role models but while Keane, Ferdinand and Evra have been captaining Manchester United they have been consumate professionals FOR Manchester United. What they do on international duty is different altogether. Feel free to string up John Terry though.
TK-Red
TK-Red
There is a line that shouldn't be crossed and I'm afraid the likes of Keane, Terry, Neville etc often crossed it. We all remember the pictures of these players snarling and mouthing obscenities at the referee. This is just one way of captaining a team and just because it was successful for these players doesn't mean it is the right way to captain.
I can list players like Hansen, Moore, Zidane, Puyol etc etc have had great success without needing to push, shove, hit or show over aggression on the pitch.
JRG
13 Feb 2012 14:48:36
Has anyone considered that Suarez may have just done a Tevez - engineering an exit by deliberately letting down the club, manager and fans? If he does want to leave he just found a way to make it happen.
Hope not, but it's one conspiracy theory I could believe in!
Tevez has not got move he will e playing for city very soon so no conspiracy there fella
We don't have the money that city does, so can't afford to keep him on principle. Tevez plan didn't work. Same doesn't apply to suarez.
13 Feb 2012 14:39:29
United fan and a massive football fan!
I am not going to type i come in peace or whatever coz i don't think you can when it comes to discussing this whole saga as no one set of fans are going to bucker down!
Suarez was found guilty of racially abusing evra and i can understand him being pissed off about the ensuing ban..any player in his position would. i would have liked to see the matter sorted out between the two clubs but evra complained and the FA got involved.. and i cant even fault evra for doing that..and lets face it no club is happy with all the rules of the FA specially when it comes to these situations of reviewing a certain episode during a match..in terms of onfield incidents or red card dismissals..
This matter could still have been resolved had suarez and the club let it rest by accepting the ban (which they did) but ensuring no comments or negative press could be directed at the player during and after the process of the FA trial by either barring him from making public statements and/or generating positive PR for him..neither of which happened..
the response from LFC regarding the shirts sounds good on paper and does represent taking a stand for the player but was always a disaster waiting to happen..and as a result a lot of flak followed..and the opposition fans would never have let this opportunity of ridiculing their rival go away so easily..you would have done the same as well..and also the media..
As for the handshake scene¦unlike the QPR match where there were reports of the entire team or atleast more than one player apart from Anton Ferdinand planning to snub john terry, both clubs then wanted to get rid of the handshake and the FA agreed.. I am somewhat confident the FA must have contacted both Liverpool and united to confirm if the players have any problem and must have given the go ahead based on that (eds can you confirm about this?). As much as he hates evra, he told the club he would do it and he should have stuck by his word..and as we all know that suarez believes he is innocent then why refuse. Just shake the hand and prove your point on the pitch with a good performance..
Like ed002 said, maybe he shouldn't have played..similar to how united benched rooney after the red card wile playing for England..shielded a lot of abuse and flak..and everyone soon moved on..
To add to this..during the match I enjoyed evras reaction..but watching it again I now know he wasn't right..whatever higher standing he achieved by the refusal was lost in that excess celebration..and as much as you hate it..most of the united fans will call it good ol banter as it added to the victory..because thats how all football fans are!
I understand the frustrations when the clubs image is tarnished..you can blame SAF or call it uniteds game plan but it is still your reputation at stake. And your PR messed up by not playing smart. Yes my club might have had players who were part of not so memorable incidents..but the handling of these matters were done to such an extent that it never affected either the clubs image or that of the players..they were shielded well till it all died out..and now not many remembers those things about them¦except ofcourse the hardcore haters..and if it is spoken about their on field behaviour and performances overshadow them..
To end as much as I feel for a football player and your manager (after his interview) I also cannot help but feel that most of this was your own doing!
Rudi .. Please add your thoughts ed!
United fan and massive football fan,
Surely a contradiction in terms.
I have some thoughts and they go something like this:
LFC, Dalglish and Suarez have said sorry.
Man. Utd have accepted this apology.
Time to skip to the next bit of "controversy" so we can all get a bit of a rest from this as it is now very boring.
Tristan
A message to you rudi, get stuffed
Mo
Mo if you were referencing the Specials that was kind of funny....
Richards
So did ferdinand say he woud shake Suarez's hand to the FA then if you say it was agreed so why have you not taken the time to explain or defend Ferdinands refusal or ferguson's disgraceful comments about another clubs player and what they should do or not do with their player the hypercrite
Yes he was- and the LFC replies to his very reasonable post are pithy and rude and yet again make us all out to be antagonistic and narrow-minded.
This is not a simple black/ white issue (unfortunate cliche but, hey) and there are two sides to it. It's fair to say that it's easier arguing for the non- Liverpool side of the debate but, at the end of the day, unless someone can come up with something more concrete than" it was a Utd set-up from start to finish", it has to be put behind us. i love a conspiracy theory but even they usually have something you can cling on to. This struggles.
13 Feb 2012 14:32:15
I'll be honest, I really believe that KK and Suarez will be gone by the end of the season. I get the feeling that the owners will have been seriously put out by the fact they have had to step in. If we make champions league (and I don't think we will) they will "have" to keep Kenny, despite the fact our league position is unacceptable (currently I'll add) Kenny seems to be very poor at handling the media and they will now be gunning for him. Also, someone as proud as Kenny will not have been happy at being told to apologise by his boss. All in all, rightly or wrongly, I don't think he will be here next season along with Suarez who a) won't want to be at a club without champions league, b) will feel victimised by the media, the F.A. and now let down by the club, and c) will easily be offered the chance to play for Madrid, who are light years ahead of us currently. Time to put the Suarez shirt in the loft, along with the Torres and Gerrard canvas.
Ash
The owners are Yonks who are supposed to have Balls and do not bow to outside pressure. We'll see?
kidmillions
Ash, you are a beacon of positivity in this negative world.
KT!
Or a realist KT? We'll see at the end of the season won't we?
Ash
We are in the process of finding a sponsor , for a new stadium kidmillions mate. The trouble this negative sh!t is causing us, could scare potential suitors away. Luis Suarez or new Stadium? I know what one i would choose, if I were FSG.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
If Suarez hadn't acted like a petulant kid then the owners wouldn't have needed to have got involved and Kenny wouldn't have needed to apologise, Suarez has made Kenny look a complete fool.
Kenny backed Suarez 100% during his case with Evra as all good managers do when their players are in trouble. Kenny said in his press conference before the game that Suarez would shake Evra's hand but Suarez betrays him and drags the name of the club through the mud again. One simple gesture to prove he is the bigger man and he failed. If Suarez had said to Kenny that he wasn't prepared to shake Evra's hand then Kenny could have left him out and this whole episode could have been avoided.
Personally - I couldn't care less if Suarez played for Liverpool again. Just because he is arguably the best player at the club doesn't make him bigger then the club.
And if he thinks playing for a team without Champions League football is beneath him then good riddance. Perhaps if he hadn't missed 7 or 8 games through suspension we would have been in a much healthier position.
JRG
Depends Ash mate.
A) How much credibility the club can regain back, from the damage that's been done, in recent months.
B) If we get 4th spot.
C) If we finish outside the top 4 but win 2 trophies.
Then I think Kenny will stay. But I still think that Luis could be on his way, no matter what happens. If I were Kenny and Luis let me down and lied, like he did. I would drop him for the upcoming Brighton game.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Ash,
Good post. I think you may be right about Suarez, he could be toast in summer.
Kenny, I'm not sure. If we win the Carling, the owners will be in a difficult situation.
But, regardless, he won't get sacked. If they have very serious misgivings, Kenny will resign mate, for the good of the greater good.
I hope it doesn't come to that. But where I think Kenny is guilty is that he has played the man, not the ball.
By which, I mean if this was any other club and manager bar Man Utd & Ferguson, I don't think any of this would have come so far.
For instance, the eds were posting before the game their misgivings in Suarez playing on Saturday. I knew that Kenny would take him though (thought he might have been sub mind), just to give the message to Utd and Ferguson. It is in both men's DNA. Ferguson has not been innocent in all this. But the initial problem, and its perception, has always been at Liverpool's door. And Kenny has got too wrapped up in the Utd rivalry to see it clearly, IMO.
The Real KB
'The Real KB'
I totally understood the Ed's feelings that Suarez should not have been included against United as it was only going to inflame the situation.
However, I think Kenny was right to pick him (although not up-front on his own). He had just served a 9-match ban so dropping him for this match would have effectively made it a 10-match ban. If Suarez had told Kenny he was going to shake Evra's hand as Kenny told the media then he had every right to play him.
If Suarez had done what was asked of him he would have been booed during the game and it would have been the end of the matter but Suarez let his manager down big-time with his actions.
JRG
JRG
What you say is true mate yes.
I think Kenny's instincts are always to protect his players. But I do think he may have taken it too far cos it was Ferguson and United. We should have just apologised at the very start of all this. Done and dusted there and then.
That's my point mate. The Utd rivalry has coloured everyone's reactions.
I have deliberately not posted myself over the last few days, cos I'd have said something I'd have later regretted. I had a chance to get a ticket for the match but it would have had to be in with the Utd. I'm glad I never mate, cos I'd have been lifted.
The Real KB
"We should have just apologised at the very start of all this. Done and dusted there and then"
Absolutely spot-on. This should have been done straight after the game at Anfield and you're probably right the opposition did, subconsciously, come into consideration.
I have watched Liverpool in the home stands of some grounds when I was younger and I have always found it difficult. I am normally sat next to some big, fat hairy monster covered in tattoo's and hates Liverpool. When the home team have scored you have to pretend to enjoy the goal.
Think I would definitely have given Old Trafford a miss lol.
JRG
Cheers for the input Blair, KB and JRG.
I with JRG that Suarez acting like a petulant child was the main problem on Saturday. That said, Kenny's hatred of the media is so obvious (and at times completely unnecessary in his post-match interviews) that he sometimes comes across in denial. He clearly tried to "scare" Jeff Shreeves off with his attitude and Jeff just wouldn't let him off. I also don't believe for a minute that he thought Suarez had shaken Evra's hand.
The other major problem has been not so much his signings (Enrique, Bellamy, Coates, Suarez - focusing on the on-the-pitch side) have all been fantastic signings. It's been that most of the money has been spent unwisely. Downing for £20m has been shocking, £35m for Carroll has been shocking (imagine the field day we would be having had Utd signed him,) Adam has been ok, Henderson is one for the future but we really needed someone for the here and now. Thats a lot of money that could have been spent far more wisely. And then there's our league position. 3 points behind Newcastle and only 4 ahead of Norwich is not acceptable - whichever way you look at it. Cup runs are great, but the league is your bread and butter.
All in all, I hate to say it, but it doesn't look too good unless we really up our game from here on out.
Ash
The next two games are the perfect opportunities to get things back to the footy. Still looking forward to Wembley.
Let's see Suarez repay everybody and fire in a few goals.
The Real KB
13 Feb 2012 14:31:03
i think the only time the press are going to be happy is if luis suarez is lynched in public .....this has to stop now ...poor lad ...he was walking alone after the final whistle at mold trafford and it was sad to see such a talent being reduced to this by alex "the ruler of the epl" ferguson ....
He was not walking alone...Reina, Skrtel and others were with him.
Deluded again, get over it and move on.
13 Feb 2012 14:29:05
Alright lads,
What do you think is our performance of the year so far? In my opinion it was the Aston Villa game where we dominated for 90 minutes.
Also, who do you think should get more playing time and who should get less?
I want your opinion!
BthekingB
For me, I just feel like we've gotten our tactics/formation wrong for much of the season. Would live to see us pushing forward more aggressively with both Carroll and Suarez up top and Gerrard close behind. We just seem overly defensive, but perhaps that's intentional. Personally, I'd like to see more of Shelvey, who has flaws but certainly isn't afraid of taking a shot. Also like to see Suarez and Carroll play together (and Bellamy) rather than this line striker stuff. More Kelly at RB as well, think he's quite good. What I'd like to see less of us Spearing- love his spirit, but his passing is just too poor. Maybe Agger instead as a CDM, if we even really need such a thing. Downing has been so bad as well that until he gets whatever his problem is sorted he should probably sit out a few.
13 Feb 2012 14:13:45
It is good to see that paranoia is alive and well among the Liverpool fans. Always remember, a "cultural" mistake can always be countered by an apology, not a "I/he did nothing wrong because it is ok in my culture. If KK or Saurez had issued an apology straight away the whole incident might not have been blown up into the incident it became. Even on the eve of the match KK still thought it was just a cultural difference, ffs, get a grip. Referring to someone by their colour is not acceptable, after 4 years in Europe Saurez should have been aware of ths.
Thanks for your oh! so intelligent insight!
Take a good look at yourself in the Mirror and ask yourself are you the type of person to pour oil on troubled waters? Self righteousness coming from a supporter of Man Utd is in itself an insult.
But you don't get that do you? Think you'll find that's underlying problem for most Liverpool supporters.
kidmillions
13 Feb 2012 14:10:35
I am fed up with the LFC fans on here having a pop at Kenny over his dealings with the media and continually stating he is still in the 80's.............for f***s sake don't any of you remember exactly what caused Kenny's mistrust of the media and in particualr the press!
I am sure I don't need to remind anyone on here! But given everything our club has gone through with the media (TV & Press) over the years and also the "loaded questions" they throw in every interview or the un-balanced reporting they do on events, unnamed source at the club anyone? I ask would you not be wary on dealing with them? Take that sunday supplement show yesterda, Suarez was panned for his actions, yet when Evra's reaction at the end was raised they had a wry smile and said they could understand why he did - s**te! he incited a crowd disciplinary action should have followed.
Fair enough sometimes Kenny is a tad to sarcastic with them, but then I guess if your facing some of these idiots everyday you would face a point were sarcasim is the only reply they understand.
Now I know some of you will jump up and down and say the games moved on we have to be more media friendly, but answer this, does whiskey nose, does AW, NO they don't! Get off the mans back and start supporting him! - TMac
My friend, there is nothing like unbalanced reporting. If anything, it is Dalglish's defensive mindset and approach that has probably conscripted you all into into this tribal affinity with LFC and you simply refuse to see the truth. The press gives you everything you want to read and hear just the same way it gives to fans of other clubs. stop crying wolf where there is none.
1. Fergie and Wenger have won multiple EPL titles. They will be accorded respect that a manager who has won none will not.
2. Standard Chartered and Warrior will not be paying us tens of millions a year to engage in wars with the "idiots" in the media. They are paying us to get positive media exposure. Why is this hard to understand? {Ed001's Note - Kenny has won the Prem and the league before it became the Prem. Perhaps you should actually try and understand what you are talking about before making nonsense statements.}
Look at the table mate he spent how much and where are we in the table he should be sacked
If the media have a strong view and everybody in the country agrees apart from your team, don't you think it may be them that are correct?
13 Feb 2012 14:09:58
one of my favourite pasttimes is watching a manc bite a bit like they did when suarez dangled the carrot the weekend.
Mighty reds
Bit 2 goals, it was great!
13 Feb 2012 14:08:12
Is this another forum that is selective in what it shows because it isn't linked into demonising Liverpool F.C.? just like most media outlets.
Waro {Ed002's Note - Your message did not get posted for the reasons of it referring to a message on Twitter that does not exist and it being potentially libelous. This is not the forum for such issues.}
13 Feb 2012 14:06:24
I was at the game on Saturday and what the media have conveniently edited is the extent of Evras hysteria after the final whistle. The pr**k came bouncing past our end in a frenzy. Why didn't he go to the north stand and then along the full width of the stretford end? His antics triggered munich chants and consequential arguments between our own fans. Nobody at the game knew of the dodged handshake, it was pr**k Evras antics at the end that could have triggered a riot, so red nose, taggart wants to take a closer look at the facts before committing himself to his nonsense statements.
Moreover, this will be the demise of Suarez at Anfield. If I were him I wouldn't have shook the pr**ks hand, it should've been left until the end of the game and if the mutual respect between the two had been earnt during the game then the shake may have took place. However given pr**k Evras behaviour, I know what I would have done if I were Suarez.
Ozone
Deluded. Hilarious. Idiot. Three words that spring to mind.
13 Feb 2012 14:19:20
I have to agree with the guy that said Kennys in trouble with the signings made.The ed said Hendo has been good but i think we could have signed a player a lot better for a lot cheaper for that role.
Downing was voted the worst signing of the season taking in to account the price tag on a certain website 0 GOALS 0 ASSISTS 20 MILLION 80 GRAND A WEEK LAUGHABLE. Suarez has just been a pain in the bottom and big andy is a usefull as a blind policeman. Kenny has not improved this club but helped to destroy a footballing institution with rubbish signings,media outbursts,the t shirts, and results in the league,questionable tactics im used to but kenny takes it to a next level. Having spent 90 million the best signing has been a free transfer my 2 year old girl could spot a better player. And all he seems to do is blame everyone but himself.Even after the bolton game he blamed the players but not himself he is a rubbish manager with rubbish signings and deserves the boot.You guys on this website think kenny can do no wrong wearing your rose tinted glasses still living in the 80s. If it was any other manager and you looked at our position in the table you would be calling for their head.
The fact that no funds were made available in January suggests someone in Boston is having the same thoughts you are having.
Thinly disguised unsigned uneducated manc post
kidmillions
I hope kenny leaves in the summer. he is never gonna get it right. cant handle the media, too soft with players, poor tactics etc. A younger manager like juergen Klopp or even guardiola is what we need. Imo even FSG have made up their minds, kenny is manager coz of the fans, not bcoz FSG want him to be. Sooner or later, kenny will be replaced. Just hoping suarez doesnt follow kenny through the exit door.
Indian Buzzer
13 Feb 2012 13:56:55
Ed002, apologies if you've mentioned this elsewhere, just finishing my lunch break at work and haven't checked the posts for today. I noticed once or twice that you mentioned you think Suarez will be sold and other decisions will be made at the end of the season. Are you referring to the way Kenny has handled the whole situation? Whether we feel Suarez was in the wrong or not (I have to agree with you, he shouldn't have played, and since he did, just shake the guys hand and get it over with), do you think Kenny's future at the club has been put in jeapordy by the media frenzy surrounding the situation? The board must be a little peeved that the whole situation has now dragged on for months and has, whether we bury our head in the sand or not, damaged the clubs reputation, at least in the UK.
Rugby Parker {Ed002's Note - It is a pretty much fair comment. I am certain that the owners and the manager will have much to discuss at the end of the season. I understand that the owners had an approach from a Uruguyan radio station raising a very difficult issue on Tuesday - and that they were seriously miffed about that. The subsequent weekend publicity that has now put them on the back foot again, and the latest statement - from the major sponsor - is going to do nothing but add to their problems.}
13 Feb 2012 13:56:21
Sponsors getting involved now great. {Ed002's Note - Statements from sponsors - this is exactly what the owners wanted to avoid. FSG went to great lengths after the findings were released to visit all sponsors and make sure that any concerns they had were addressed. I certainly think it was not necessary for Standard Chartered to make any comment on the latest issues.}
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I bet Chelsea & John Terry are very grateful for diverting the spotlight away from them eh ed002 ?
The Real KB
{Ed002's Note - I rather suspect that has its time to come still.}
Well I just wanted to try and divert the spotlight away from Liverpool. Lol.
I agree with most of your comments over the past couple of days ed002. You do bring a much-needed objectivity to our pages.
It has been very uncomfortable to witness, view and read about for Liverpool fans. I very much look forward to hearing your objective views on JT, AVB & Chelsea's sponsors etc in the coming months !
May the weeks pass quickly for us LFC fans. Here's to the circus that will move on to West London.
The Real KB
13 Feb 2012 13:47:35
I think that several things should happen -
1) Liverpool should sit down with Suarez and advise him that if his behaviour does not improve and he does not act as a player and ambassador for the club he will be immediately dropped and sold as the first opportunity.
2) There have to be discussions between Liverpool and Manchester United to resolve the situation. I am still of the opinion that all could have been sorted out between the two clubs within a week of it happening. Unfortunately Alex Ferguson thought it too good a chance to embarrass Liverpool. It could have otherwise been dealt with behind closed doors.
3) Suarez says that he is not a racist, Evra says that Suarez is not a racist so let the two of them get together to create some sort of anti-racist charity.
4) Everybody (including the press and Graham Taylor) should accept that BOTH players acted badly
and that BOTH need to improve their attitudes.
Dutchmal
Damn sensible post Dutchmal - particularly point 3. It has to be said that no party has come out of this well, least of all us!!
I think that there has to be a reconciliation that is driven by the government review in racism in football which ensures that all teams recognise their responsibilities to goodwill and respect. Sporting competition is one thing, but the cynicism surrounding this from the press and supporters from whichever camp is unhealthy for everyone. It needs to be turned around and that may be possible with some cross party Culture and Sport leadership, if you're going to set an example to FIFA get on and do it with everyone involved.
Suffolkn'Red
13 Feb 2012 13:41:11
Let's hope we can start to move on from this whole situation, whilst restoring the reputation of our fine club.
Mistakes have been made throughout, and what the club must do now is learn and put in place the processes to ensure that whenever a situation like this occurs in the future, it will be dealt with in a much better way.
Luis must now repay the huge amount of support he has received from KK, and the players with goals, he has a lot of making up to do. His actions have dragged us through the s*** and the only way many will forgive him is by scoring the goals to get us a Cup win and a European place (hopefully CL). If he doesn't the owners may take the position that he is more trouble than he is worth and move him on, I hope it doesn't come to this but it might.
Kenny also needs help! Whilst he can often have the media in the palm of his hand with his witty banter and general demeanour, he has lost a lot of respect in the media. Whilst he won't care about that, Liverpool are a business, and the media's perception of us has an impact off the field. Other than Wenger and Ferguson, who have 1 man beside them in Rice and Phelan. Other managers have 2 major support staff that can help deal with many issues. Mancini has Platt and Kidd - Redknapp has Jordan and Bond, maybe KK needs another body to help. Steve Clarke's impact on the team has been vast and he seems to be KK sounding board, maybe another body could help.
I read somewhere that Brian Barwick is being used to look at how the club is ran, which is a good idea in my view. People with his experience in football and his obvious love for the club, the more people like this in the club the better.
I just hope the statements yesterday bring an end to the whole situation, but with the British media as it is, I doubt it will
RedSG
We've also got Kevin Keane.
Ozone
13 Feb 2012 13:34:31
If suarez was to be sold what do you think we could get for him eds cheers
Kp {Ed002's Note - I really don't know but the club would be looking to get back what they paid I would have thought.}
13 Feb 2012 13:29:34
Hi Eds,
Do you think our first signing should be a PR team ?
It would be the best £20m we have spent for a long time
Leam Red
13 Feb 2012 13:26:23
Can't wait to see the end of our Adidas shirt deal. That white and blue kit is awful. I don't particularly enjoy seeing Carroll's moobs bouncing up and down. Just too tight.
13 Feb 2012 13:17:32
Thank god common sense has prevailed and some of the moral high ground has now been taken back by LFC. Its seems pretty obvious that the owners blew a fuse when the saw that story in in the NY Times and demanded instant action. Money talks in America and any bad publicity that could spill over to their US opperation was never going to be tollerated. Its begs the questions; why have they been so hands off all along and why did they let things snowball they way they did? The whole thing is odd. As regards Suarez, I agree with the poster who said the best thing he can do now is show his telent on the pitch and get everybody purring instead of hissing. Personally, when I look at Suarez's lack of contrition after the world cup semi shenanigans and the way he handled the Evra situation, I dont think being forced to issue a curt apology is going to sit well with him. I think there will be a parting of ways in the summer and maybe thats best for all concerned. lets hope between now and then he does the business and helps us bag that 4th spot, we need his cutting edge desperately. Best..of a worst case scenario, we get 4th spot and he commands a large fee when he goes.
13 Feb 2012 13:10:54
LFC sponsor Standard Chartered on Suarez: "We were very disappointed by Saturday's incident and have discussed our concerns with the club."
Sponsors getting involved now great. {Ed002's Note - Statements from sponsors - this is exactly what the owners wanted to avoid. FSG went to great lengths after the findings were released to visit all sponsors and make sure that any concerns they had were addressed. I certainly think it was not necessary for Standard Chartered to make any comment on the latest issues.}
Let's face it Ed002 - Standard's PR people have certainly overshadowed Liverpool's. Coming out with this sickening garbage makes good publicity for them. Uggh!
Dutchmal {Ed002's Note - I am astonished Standard Chartered has said anything at all. I was aware that the owners went to the Far East to smooth things over previously and I imagine they are not relishing doing it again. This ceretainly won't help matters.}
Luckily the Standard Chartered logo was covered up during the handshaking ceremony !!!
13 Feb 2012 13:01:30
Sky are now saying that our shirt sponsers are disappointed in what went on at OT. When will they be told to stop. I bet Standard Chartered won't be disappointed if we win a cup or two.
KernowRed
13 Feb 2012 12:50:43
Hi,
Firstly, I am a muslim coloured man who lives in South Africa.
Racism is a form of discrimination based on the skin colour or ethnic group of another human being.
I saw some highlights now the other day, John Terry ambracing Michael Essien, kissing him on the forehead. If he was a racist no freaking way this would happen. The EPL players, playing in England must grow a set of balls,they are a bunch of cry babies in my opinion.Evra, for example he was so gutted, but the way he carried on after the game was an abolutele disgrace. You would have sworn he won the world cup. He is one of those players who likes to dish them out but finds it hard to be on the receiving end of things.
If any, the African brothers in EPL should be complaining about racism in the game but strangely you don't find this, am I missing something?
Liverpool brand is not been tarnished it is the FA's rep which comes into question. It is shameful the way things are been administered (looks as if there are a few fat cats lining there pockets).
So please don't accuse Saurez of tarnishing the brand, absolute bulls**t
AWS {Ed002's Note - You have little or no grasp of the situation if you don't think Suarez has tarnished the Liverpool brand. And which "fat cats" are "lining there pockets" (sic)?}
13 Feb 2012 12:47:55
Relax everyone - sky are now attacking the Man City / Tevez saga, another enemy of Man Utd and hopefully they will leave us alone now.
KernowRed
13 Feb 2012 12:36:12
I hope we can all start to move on from the Suarez / Evra incident and get back to football. However over the past seven days a glaringly racist comment has been made in the football world that seems completely cntrary to the "Kick It Out" campaign and this has gone completely uncommented on by the media. I am referring to FA chairman David Bernstein's widely reported statement about the next England manager on national radio that "Clearly there is a preference for an Englishman or a British person but in the end we want the best person. I am certainly not prepared to rule out anything but an Englishman or British person would have a good start.".
Racist comments are bad in their own right, but what is even worse is racial discrimination, i.e. treating someone in a worse way because of their race. Such discrimination is exactly what David Bernstein is advocating. If he had said a preference for an English manager it could be justified as it is a national football team. However extending his preference to a British manager over any other race just smack of xenophbia (no doubt to appease readers of the S*n and Daily Mail). Given the intense rivally between England and the other home nations there is a good argument that a Scot or a Welshman would be less likely to be devoted to the English cause than a swede or an Italian. Just imagine the situation where we are looking for a new manager and the board say "we have a preference for an ex Liverpool player or an Evertonian/Manc".
I do not seriously think that Bernstein should receive a heavy penalty and have his reputation ruined for his statement. However I do think the FA need to be careful to avoid double standards and need to think carefully when handing out heavy penalties and damaging reputations when punishing marginally proven or marginally offensive cases against players.
Bob
Amen Bob!
Are you Bob the Red?
What a load of eye wash bob. It's this sort of 'splitting hairs' clap trap that's causing the problem. The world went mad when rowntrees had to take a symbol off the jam jar. Have a read of the South Africans post earlier and listen to some of the comments Johnny Barnes has said recently to get the correct angle on racism.
Ozone
In response to the first comment - I just post on here as Bob - have done for a couple of years now. I am a red but not "Bob the Red".
In response to Ozone. I think you will find many black British people do find the gollywog symbol offensive and Robinsons (not Rowntrees) were quite right to discontinue its use even though I am sure they never meant any offence. I agree that a sense of perspective is needed and that is why I said I didn't think that Bernstein should get a punishment. I just think the FA need to look at themselves as if you as an organization propogate a media fuelled witchhunt then it is not clever for your chairman to adocate preferencing one race over others for a very important and high profile job.
Bob
Can Women apply for the England job if there English.
kidmillions {Ed002's Note - Anyone can apply for the job.}
13 Feb 2012 12:34:22
Let's get this business in perspective here and, look at it from Suarez point of view. He referred to Evra in a descriptive term as Negro. Which is the Spanish word for Black. If he was French it would have been Noire. I think because we see it as Negro in the English sense we presume It as racist!
Evra should have seen it with a more open mind but instead spoke to Canal+ and made this a media frenzy.
Suarez is guilty of using a word to describe Evra in his native language that us ENGLISH have decided is totally different from the way it was meant. He is guilty of being Spanish speaking!
He also spoke to the FA and openly admitted using this phrase ONCE! So for that he had broken rule 3 by referring to someone by their race. This was a genuine mistake that is worthy of a 4 match ban. They are the rules. If it was left there then LFC and Suarez would have taken it on the chin. The FA decide that he said it 7 times based on probability?!*
This changes the whole situation. Once is a mistake, 7 times is malicious.
The FA are at fault here!! They have hung him out to dry.
So let's look at it another way.
If you got drunk and got into a fight and was subsequently arrested and you admitted the charge. The police then say there have been loads of fights in town lately and based on PROBABILITY we are charging you with 6 other assaults. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?
At the same time even though the FA said the believe him NOT to be racist we all know that he is now branded.
So Luis because he is Spanish speaking has his integrity destroyed by Evra and the FA is forced to shake this guys hand?
How would you feel?
At the same time the FA allow JT to NOT shake hands and criticise Suarez for refusing? JT is seen saying a racist thing on camera by MILLIONS (allegedly) and then denies it.
So we go one about what message OT sends out.... Well its simple.
If you honest like Suarez then you will get hung. If you deny (lie) you get away with it....
I am embarrassed by this country. We should hang our heads in shame!
I agree with a lot of what you said although the interpretation of the balance of probability stuff is a little simplistic. However what Luis did wrong is NOT refusing to shake Evra's hand. It is very understandable that he feels Evra was the guilty party in the October exchanges and that Suarez has been scapegoated. I would never criticize anyone for refusing to shake Evra's hand - I would not shake his or Ferguson's hand if the situation ever arose. What Luis did wrong is tell Kenny and LFC that he would shake Evra's and and then not do it. He put his personal feelings abve that of the team. Had the club known Luis would refuse to shake hands they could have scrapped the handshake as they did for QPR v Chelsea. As I said in a previous post I think the prematch handshake is a farce and should be scrapped anyway.
It seems plausible that Luis had intended to shake Evra's hand but when faced with him just could not bring himself to do it. If that is the case that should remain inside the club but I am sure would be looked upon sympathetically by the LFC hierarchy.
I don't for one minute think that Suarez is sorry for not shaking hands with Evra but I think he knows he has damaged the club and is sorry for doing that.
Bob
Very good post.
Sam armchair
SPOT ON POST
Waro
Good post BOB. I agree 100% with what you said. Luis has let the whole of LFC down by going back on his word. But its nice to see you have at least looked at from his perspective. This is exactly what I was saying in my post.
Whether we like it or not. Everyone outside of LFC will think Suarez is racist spam. My post above explains why the FA have hung him on this. But as long as WE the fans and the club UNDERSTAND his take on it and NOT let the media twist it. Then this will go away... In time.
It's our relationship with Suarez that will dictate his future. Not the media or anyone else.
I believe he wants to.play for this club but I fear the media will drive him out.
Simulcra
13 Feb 2012 12:24:45
John W Henry looking at selling club to Chinese consortium, Guardian online is stating
Where? Making things up? FSG are here for a long time.
Must be true if the guardian said it. I'm guessing he's selling because of the issue over the weekend and can't bare to look at the club anymore and any one associated. They are in this for the long game when will people get it, I'm pretty sure that they are more concerned with repairing the reputation of the club than selling it. This issue is a bump in the road (a rather large one admittedly but a bump all the same). the club have apologised, utd have accepted, the fa are trying to draw a line under it all that is left is for the media to try and get a bit more mileage out of the issue.
KopIdol YNWA
Kenny Huang must have finally found the money down the back of the sofa ......
Richards
Brilliant Chinese are loaded and don't give a flying fook about what the rest of the world think. I Want Cavani and Suarez with plenty of Goals please.
kidmillions
Post a link if it's true.
It's not on their website and it wasn't in today's paper
13 Feb 2012 12:17:41
Liverpool have apologised, Man Utd have accepted it the FA say there will be no more punishments handed out and all three say draw a line under it and move on BUT why is sky still going on about it and asking opinions from others around the world FHS? They should be made to stop highlighting anything to do with this also.
KernowRed
No they should be asking for UTD to apologise for Evra's actions, for what he did at half time and at the end of the game! Good grief, even for Slur Alex's comments regarding a player from another club, as that just makes the situation as worse as what Suarez had done!
Keith
Keith I agree that there should be an apology but I wouldn't hold your breath, Ferguson is the last person who should be allowed to talk about disgraceful players, cantona, keane, schmeichel all selected and made captain at some point after various incidents, time to move on and focus on doing it on the pitch.
KopIdol YNWA
13 Feb 2012 12:08:17
At the end of the day Suarez has made a mockery of the club! It had been talked about shaking evra's hand but he never! However Suarez feels like he has done nothing wrong and is now upset at the thought of every football fan branding him a racist. I can't see us getting rid of Suarez unless he does something outrageously stupid. Suarez won't leave because of the support he has been shown by us. But if we continue to play like we did against utd and a lot of other teams this season then we won't be able to attract any decent players as we will be a mid table team. Time to get rid of a lot of players and give the youth their chance. Also well done to big andy carroll, starting to prove his worth with some excellent games of late
13 Feb 2012 12:03:52
Speaking as a man of color before a certain Frenchmen accuses me of racism, can we all just agree that Evra is a scumbag a**hole and move on?
Capetownred
Well said mate.
13 Feb 2012 12:02:40
Luis Suarez has been punished by the F.A for his comments towards Patrice Evra and yesterday LFC, Kenny & Suarez have all issued apologies for the fiasco that was the handshake on Saturday and Man Utd have accepted that apology. As a Liverpool supporter I think we should all draw a line under this matter and move on. Let's forget about hidden agenda's from Fergie, media witch-hunts etc, etc.
There is plenty more football to be played this season and a trip to Wembley to look forward to. Debating whether Suarez will be here next season is pointless, and so is calling for Dalglish's head at this important time of the season. Mistakes have been made, hopefully the club will learn from this and come back stronger.
As supporters of the club we need to get behind the team, give Kenny our full support and hopefully win a trophy or two between now & May, then see what happens in the summer regarding Luis & Kenny.
YNWA
13 Feb 2012 12:00:49
the F.A have reported no action to be taken against luis suarez, it is not an offence to not shake hands.
the F.A have reported no action to be taken against patrice evra for celebrations at the end of the game.
the F.A have reported no action is to be taken in regards to the scuffle in the tunnel during half time.
so no action from the F.A yet many fans calling for suarez's and kenny's heads?
bring back hodgson and the search for carlton cole yeah? short memories some fans
Hang em high for what they have done to our great club, disgrace to the shirt
13 Feb 2012 11:16:55
The reputation of liverpool has been dragged thro the mud yes the media can be anti liverpool but we need to be clever not give the opps like saturday for that reason ls and kk should hang ther heads in shame. This year is so crucial to tbe club on and off the pitch people will now think twice about tjings such as naming rights wen they sud be fallong over each other. Ther can be only one outcome if liverpool do not move on from.this with results and more media friendly stories both Loui and Kenny will need to go.one positive thing for kenny wat happened over shadowered a poor display by kennys signings..is he really the man to.take the clib forward in this day and age?
13 Feb 2012 11:05:40
Alot of folk ,esp after Slur Alex quote, now think L/pool should sell Suarez...why play into his hand?Did he sell Cantona, Ferdinand or even Rooney?Its not up to him to tell us how to conduct our business, he needs to look at his own concience first before he plays judge and jury!
JayB
Your totally right I dont think we should sell Suarez, if I was in his shoes I would not of shook evras hand either, but if suarez Did tell Lfc he was going to shake his hand maybe he should of
MJ
13 Feb 2012 11:00:05
Just wanted to congratulate Zambia.
Well done
Marc
13 Feb 2012 10:50:04
I just wanna say how proud I am with John Barnes for saying what he has over the weekend. Here is a man who has suffered blatent racism! No independent enquiry or anything, just blatent bananna throwing and monkey chanting directed at him! But yet, the media are trying to make him look like he doesn't know what he is talking about. Just like Stan collymore (to a lesser extent) and just like Kenny. They are going for people within our club, associated with our club, ex players. The list goes on!
I say the best way to send a big f*uck you to everyone would be to win both the league and fa cups....and finish 4th in the league!
They want our downfall but we must stand firm and tall! I believe we will get there in the end!
Ps, sorry for the rant.....just getting fustrated with the attack on our great club!
Y.N.W.A
K.Bennett
Are you Gordon's brother?
13 Feb 2012 10:46:49
Maybe the owners should take some responsibility if we don't finish 4th they showed a lack of ambition in the last transfer window but they spent 100 million dollars to a baseball player for a new contract. Sometimes i wish we had a different manager one who is media friendly and new owners who dont buy people because of stats.
Who have the Red Sox spent 100 million on? As far as I can see they have just been picking up cheap journeymen during the off season, or perhaps I've missed something.
-SH-
David ortiz's son record contract offer worth 100 miillion dollars and we buy no one in jan. {Ed002's Note - You appear to be implying the owners spend $100M in January - no where close to the truth?}
David Ortiz's son is 7 years old! I think it will take quite a few years before that sort of money is actually paid out. I stick to my original point, that fact is that the Red Sox have only brought in a few veterans and promising youngish players this winter. They have spent a lot more on their football team than on their baseball team in the past year and we should be grateful for that. -SH-
13 Feb 2012 10:42:05
Hi everyone, just aside.from the main talking points, can anybody share some memories of what it was like to visit Anfield or Wembley during the 70's and 80's?. I was born in 86 so I grew on watching Fowler, McManaman, Razor Ruddock, Paddy Berger etc. I love watching the old matches on LFCTV, when the men were men and the tackles were tough. I watched the 83 league cup final yesterday and was just after some insight to what the atmosphere was like to be there in the good old days. Cheers, Roblfc86
13 Feb 2012 10:37:12
At last someone talking sense i.e. John Barnes talking about the pre-match handshakes
totally agree
I think Chris Coleman was right too
13 Feb 2012 10:19:54
On reflection I think our biggest mistake on Saturday was playing Suarez from the start. Kenny was naive and is probably kicking himself now. " Know your enemy and what they are capable of!" springs to mind.
Kenny should of sat down last Friday and went through all the different scenario's in his head and I'm sure he would of not played Suarez from the start. No good saying hindsight is a wonderful thing. We all know the enemy and what there capable of and so should Kenny but he got it wrong! as nice people often do when dealing with these sort of situations. So all you Reds out there support Kenny and Suarez and most of all Liverpool FC.
kidmillions
Kid millions the biggest mistake was Suarez himself he should know better he should be sold as soon as possible. Liverpool have damaged their reputation worldwide Kenny is shocking as our manager he fights all forms of media, and is always on the attack because he cant win games in the league and it will cost him the managers job.
The ammount of money spent was huge and he has not improved us Henry has said if we dont get top 4 he will look at the managers position but i dont think we could get top 6
Manutd, Arsenal, Chelsea have all damaged or tarnished their image through various episodes with players the list is as long as your arm, Keane,Cantona,Schmeical,Ferdinand,
Rooney,Terry,Cole,Drogba,Viera all of the above were backed by there clubs and not sold. So just calm down! and see it for what it is! Things blow over with time!
Otherwise we would still be at War with the Germans.
kidmillions
We'll you started it!
No we didn't,
Yes you did,
you invaded Poland.
Don't mention the bloody war Kidmillions!
13 Feb 2012 10:19:43
If KK, LFC and the majority of our fans didn't see that having Saurez at our great club was going to be a liabilty, then we are in a sorry state.
A great player no doubt but he is the player who punched the ball off the line deliberately in front of the world got sent off and celibrated the resulting penalty miss down the tunnel.(happy cheating in front of the world for his team to win.)(i would have done the same). Also the same player who tried to bite another in the dutch league.
so the history was there for all to see and i am surprised at the backlash towards Saurez.
Personally i think he should see out his career at anfield cause i cant remember the last time i saw whiskey nose so wound up
13 Feb 2012 09:58:58
Will everyone settle down and lets forget this handshake thing...its over.....done with....finished...nothing we can do about it now...lets stop moaning or talking and hopefully people will forget about it and talk about him creating and scoring goals and hopefully helping us win a trophy or two....
Support the team or go support some1 else
Speedy
Well said speedy. lets just move on
THE BIRD
13 Feb 2012 09:25:09
hi guys great website. i was watching match of the day 2 yesterday, and i was absolutely shocked with what the three guys said about Suarez and liverpool. those anti liverpool guys in the studio (one of them was phil neville) were talking such nonsense and giving us stick. the guy with the glasses was an person and said stupid things. who on earth hired those fools to be on match of the day?. the situation was over but yet still, they were still talking about it and said such crap about us. i hope they get fired. i was so mad when i was hearing what those fools said. its was disgraceful. evra and man utd should apologies for acting like spoiled brats.
You should have seen Ray Stubbs on ESPN.... at least Barnes put him in his place, he was just trying to stir things up.
Oh and Dwight Yorke... watch his comments at the Villa game, wrongly associating the handshake with racism.... how ill informed the so called experts are is astonishing.
Regards
Paul
Colin Murray, the one with the glasses is a LFC fan!
dmedly
Stubbs always been a t at.Proports to support Tranmere,always thought closet Manc
I posted the first comment. i know that colin supports Liverpool but yesterday, the way him and the others were talking about suarez and liverpool was disrespectful. they should have never talked about the situation in the first place. also i agree that stubbs is an idiot. espn has anti liverpool written all over it, aswell as bbc and sky. i can't stand chris waddle with his pathetic commentry.
Who takes any notice of Colin Murray?
DM
13 Feb 2012 09:00:59
I was speaking to a very well respected italian ex professional recently regarding the Suarez thing. I asked him how he would have felt about all this if he was in Suarez position to which he replied
"I have been in similar positions during my career and each time I tried my best to let it go. Sadly the managers and clubs very often dont let you. With Lippi the damage was done and there was no hope, no matter how hard you play sometimes the best is to move on. If I were suarez I would believe that perhaps being forced to apologise for something which I clearly felt was unfair and to then have the club publicly tell everyone it was my fault. I would not stay."
I may have paraphrased a little in places as my italian is good but my memory isnt. Cant say that I disagreed in any way, I was disappointed at Ian Ayre declaring that in public, if Suarez had done something similar he would have been punished by the club for discussing private matters in public, as such I think that rule should apply to anyone.
Nevada
13 Feb 2012 08:52:36
All this prematch handshake malarkey really should be scrapped for next season. Much as Sky love to appear to criticize players who behave like Suarez and/or Evra (depending on your viewpoint) did on Saturday Sky really love it because of the attention it brings to their coverage and no doubt the royalties it brings in everytime another channel uses their coverage on the news.
I watch a lot of nonleague football (conference premier mostly) as I can't get to Anfield often and I think the honesty of the game is a refreshing change from the charade that the EPL/ECL has become. Despite having seen about 20 Conference matches per season over the past few years I honestly couldn't tell you whether there is a handshake at the start of Conference matches. Real football fans (the one that pay their money at the turnstiles) couldn't give a tinker's cuss about the handshake an do not notice it going on.
It is clear from recent weeks that the prematch handshake is bringing the game into disrepute but at the same time boosting Sky's profits. Similar incidents hapen every season. Will the FA be brave enough to admit it is bad for the image of the game and scrap it?
Bob
Personally I think that both clubs shouldve done what happened at Chelsea and QPR and agreed not to do any handshake.
If Luis had shaken Evras hand it wouldve given the impression that he was accepting that he had done something wrong and given that the club took such a public stance on the matter it wouldve made us look as silly as Suarez. Had both teams agreed to no handshake it would have been neutral.
Nevada
13 Feb 2012 08:43:21
Daglish really showed himself up on Saturday, he was an embarrassment to himself and Liverpool Football Club. As for Suarez - well………
No one cares about your post. Get back to work...
It's embarrassing that this Country see's fit to make the like ferguson a Knight of the Realm. "Now That's What I call Embarrassing"
kidmillions
He wont be old enough to work he's got a week off school
Ferguson is a manipulator
HK
Dalglish is pathetic - the man claimed he had no knowledge of the refused handshake - pull the other one Kenny, it was the most talked about incident of the weekend, do you honestly expect us to believe that not even one of your subs mentioned it you before kickoff!? It was clear something had gone down.
Your club is brilliant boys, the worst PR team in existence - what logic was behind that mess?
Finally, it isnt buried yet, as there's now claims that one of your despicable lot spat at De Gea in the tunnel. Prepare for another public storm, !
LFC - the most repugnant team in the world, 2012. Good luck attracting new signings with this hanging over your club.
RED_SKY
BUFFOON!!!!!!!
I have not heard or read anywhere about ferdinand not shaking suarez's hand. how has everyone missed that?
Redsky youve long been most detested club in Uk.Bias media,refs decisions.Your own arrogant song depicts your attitude.Cantona,Bust up with Chavski Stewards
Cheers redsky you admitted our club is ' brilliant ' Your own words by the way TIT
Shaggin' your brother's bird is pretty low RedSky. Do we have to make a table of man united disgraces vs Liverpool's or do you want to just f**koff back to your own page now.
13 Feb 2012 08:41:19
Why would we want to sell Suarez? If we did wisky nose would be grinning from ear to ear, he would do anything to undermine our club so just remember that. Did he sell cantona, no because he'd rather win than bow to pressure. We need to look after Liverpool fc and luis gives us more chance of success. We just need to start attacking again like the start of the season, results will come and we can move on. Luis can shut them up with goals and become a legend. He is such a good player because of his attitude, yes he is stubborn but we love his never give up attitude when it works for us so stop all this rubbish and get behind him because I for one would love another 10 players with his fighting spirit!
Gally
I agree with you 100% mate. why on earth should we sell suarez?. just because he didn't shake hands?. its the stupid media and anti liverpool fans that are talking crap about us. its evra and the whole man utd team causing trouble again. also we would be going backwards if we sell suarez (who is one of our best players). no one can replace him. it was suarez that took us to the carling cup final and helped us win important matches. i would be embarrassed if we sell suarez and still kept the flops such as downing, spearing, shelvey etc. {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with shaking hands or not - it is to do with dragging the good name of the club through the gutter again. If Dalglish had not played Suarez none of this would be going on now.}
Cantona played in a different era. The press and Sky in particular were not as prominent as they are now. If the same incident had happened now Cantona wouldve been sold. Case in point - Roy Keane, he sold his club captain and legend at united because he said the current crop of players were not good enough. Much less harsh.
Nevada
Ed002, but surely not playing Suarez would have prolonged the issue, and Dalglish had thought a handshake was agreed? If that had happened none of this would have happened. I understand you stated that Suarez should have been left out beforehand, and in all honesty it was probably the most sensible option BUT there was a football match to be won and Kenny thought he would give us the best opportunity to do that... and ideally draw a line under the matter. If fit and available I would have played Suarez too...
Richards {Ed002's Note - Not playing Suarez would have stopped the issues we have had for the past two days - not prolonged it. It is now higher profile than ever as the owners try and recover the situation again. I don't think it is much of a defence of Dalglish to say that he thought Suarez could be a potential match winner and that was the reason he played him. I said before that playing Suarez would be real dumb and end in tears - and that is where we are. The clubs name being dragged through thye gutter, the owners trying to limit the damage done, the apologies. For me, the efforts should have bneen made to make this whole matter as low key as possible. But there we are.}
Nevada think about what your saying and remind yourself who your talking about, Its all about fergie at the end of the day and he gets rid of players when it suits him ie keane was old but as for cantona there was no way he'd have sold him in any era and it was so much so he went over to france to convince cantona to stay . Fergie is the cause for so much that happens and he wants to be go down as the ultimate manager and also dictator of football law !
I think you give Fergie far too much credit. He is not some Machiavellian super genius.
Nevada
I dont see either suarez or kenny at liverpool next season. Suarez will be missed badly, kenny not much. The owners will probably bring in their man at the helm.
Indian Buzzer
Fergie ships out a player the moment he becomes a distraction or challenges him. Doesn't matter if his name is Beckham, Keane, Van Nistelroy, or Tom Sawyer.
Fergie would get rid of Suarez so fast, Suarez' head would spin.
The question is: are LFC ruthless enough to do the same? Or will we remain the soft touch, constantly shooting ourselves in the foot?
How many goals, exactly, has Suarez scored? How many assists does he have? What is our league position? Is he worth it? Those are the questions.
Nevada wrong again pal i give fergie no credit at all i just simply say fergie operates his own way and does as he feels which by the way is NOT always the right way just his way. The man is actually a nasty sly person and i have never liked him !
It wasnt supposed to be imflammatory, sory about that. Your comment about Fergie always getting his way does imply that you think he controls everything when most of the time he cannot even control his own players while they are on the pitch or off it.
Many LFc fans seem to be under the impression fergie is more important and powerful than he actually is. I am not, he is a decent tactician at times and that is all.
Nevada
13 Feb 2012 08:34:20
Oh no suarez didnt shake evras hand the world is falling apart. I wonder if suarez will get an apology from rio or fergie for branding a diver earlier in the season and a disgrace.
If the media are so worried about a handshake then they must have nothing to do. As i say sky are complete biased joke. I thought kennys interview after the game was brilliant and no need to apologise.
Lets look after ourselves and forget the rest. I know every other team is jealous of us and the way kenny is managing our team, so lets have a pop at Liverpool.
Lets look forward to a massive fifth round game against Brighton (a competition i believe we knocked the mancs out).
Mighty reds
It is exactly this kind of attitude that has got us into the mire Fact suarez was bannede for eight matches for racially abusing Evra .Fact Suarez had given everyone at Liverpool assurance that he would shake hands and didnt Fact kennt dalglish behaved like very poorly in his press conference Fact Suarez brought shame on the club Fact suarez Kenny and Ian Ayres have appologised Fact Manchester united have accepted the appology .This sahould now be the end of the matter but for goodness sake will you all stop burying your head in the sand we as a club have handle the whole thing poorly let us now move on and concentrate on football
There is no sand in manchester! Where as here on Merseyside we have loads of lovely beaches and if we want to bury our heads in the sand we can and we will
kidmillions
"I know every other team is jealous of us and the way kenny is managing our team . . ."
Are you for real? You realize we are becoming a laughing stock?
13 Feb 2012 08:32:52
sorry guys but the debate is exactly were the opposition wants you - defending everything they can trow at us - we should be attacking in the opposition penalty area - firing facts at them from the "unfit for purpose" FA report everyone wants to forget {Ed002's Note - There was no FA report so that approach would likely be laughed at. Is there a reason you cannot move on and you just want to drag this out and keep the profile high?}
OK semantic aside the title is
THE FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION
and
LUIS SUAREZ
REASONS OF THE REGULATORY COMMISSION
and it's full holes - have you actually read it? {Ed002's Note - I have read it and it is not a Football Association report any more than it is a Luis Suarez report. Semantics don't come in to it.}
Well it's the document that condemned Suarez. {Ed002's Note - It was a report prepared by an independent panel after considering the issues in hand. I thought we were done discussing that.}
However, you choose dress it up - the document remains a long way short of Justice. {Ed002's Note - Fine.}
13 Feb 2012 08:26:20
What a shameful position that we have right now. Even Arsenal whose two most important players left(Fab & nasri) is in top 4. And we who spend too much are...
I am starting to have doubt not on kenny but on commoli.
Superfan
Superfan
Have faith, there is still time! And we have to play Arsenal still aswell
K.Bennett
13 Feb 2012 08:11:40
Alright ed and readers I've read this site for a while now but this is the first post I've ever done
I can't believe people who call themselves liverpool fans reading the tabloids and like the tabloids are taking fergusons word for the truth and are saying suarez not shaking evras hand is a disgrace to the club and to daglish if u were wrongly accused of something by someone and had morales u wouldn't shake that persons hand ! Evra showed a lot less respect by looking straight into the camera when suarez didn't shake his hand , trying to follow suarez into the changing room and celebrating in front of suarez at the end of the match
Don't forget evras tried to accuse people of racism twice before and nothin happened this. Suarez was banned because of only evras word on one else backed up evra so if suarez feels he's innocent why should he shake evras hand
JRG
Thanks for posting JRG - but please note this sign-off is already being used by me.
JRG
Both of use thanks for posting - but please note this sign-off is already being used by me
JRG
i really think this site could use a login system ay?
JRG lol
I disagree
JRG
Who are these imposters?
JRG
13 Feb 2012 06:13:47
I'm just going to say that I couldn't give a rat's ar$e what the media think of us. So I wasn't bothered about all the rhetoric and rubbish they served up in the last 36 hours. I've read lots about how all the apologies we've issued will make us look bad and weak in the eyes of the media. Well guess what? I wasn't worried about what they thought of us last week, so I'm not going to be worried what they think of us next week. The British media on the whole (with the exception of the odd jourbalist) are nothing more than a steroetypical pitchfork waving and torch holding mob who can't wait to chase their next bandwagon out of town. We're this years gypsies / immigrants / asylum seekers / underage mums / (insert whichever group is the hate flavour of the month in the Daily Mail) As soon as people get bored of reading their tripe, they'll move on.
Bollo*ks to them all.
The only thing I care about is the club - not what anyone else thinks of us. Do the same, and I promise you'll feel more relaxed about what you might read. Better still, don't read the garbage at all.
Sean
Top post Sean!
dd
Nice one! Love it!
13 Feb 2012 06:07:58
Hi Eds
For Liverpools and Suarez sake I think its best for Suarez to move on. For such a good player he's become uncontrollable Liverpool does not need this bad image. Also if we do not make CL next season its to assemble a decent squad to take the premier league running first and that is the only way to get into CL by winning the PL. There are better players to replace Suarez ie Cavani or Soldado
Thanks Eds
Zorro
Shut up...
Myk
Yeah there are better players, do you think they will join a club who cant make champs league, never challenge for the title, get poor results against easy teams at home and who publicly criticise their players? No. I said last year under hodgeson that we were a tough sell.
This year we are even more difficult to sell to prospective players.
13 Feb 2012 04:08:55
So what if Suarez did not shake Evra's hand..I couldnt care less. The media are still going to attack us no matter what we do.. Suarez got the solitary goal in what was a pathetic performance. We would be very stupid to sell Suarez because of all this pressure they are trying to put on us. I am pretty sure we will not qualify for CL..so will we get another striker better than Suarez willing to come to us ?
13 Feb 2012 03:55:03
I've been through it every which way and I have to say I'm apalled that BSKYB have been able to have such a huge influence on our club.
Funny how ferguson was all for burying the hatchet when they had to come to us...get that one out the way and guess what? That's right, he's back to his usual self when it suits his side.
Well, I have had enough. I've cancelled my sky subscription. That's the last time they ever get any money out of me.
Len
I'm sure your business will be missed
You'll get a bollocking when the other half as to watch Corrie without HD!!
13 Feb 2012 03:40:49
Hi Eds and fellow Reds.
Was thinking, has GJ even been considered as a 'sweeper', sort of attacking defender in front of the back four, with freedom to roam and of course defend. Any thoughts.
Food for thought.
13 Feb 2012 02:56:34
Now that all the off the field stuff seems to be out of the way for the moment, does anyone understand why we always seem to be playing so defensively this season? Gerrard was practically a third CB for much of the game on Saturday and outside of corner kicks we rarely, if ever, seem to have more than 1 man in the box when attacking. No one cuts in, no one moves about, almost no threat whatsoever, but one winger on each side of it and a couple of MF standing around the top. I just don't get it? Would love to see us play more of an attacking game with Suarez and Carroll up top, Gerrard behind them, Bellamy on the left, and anyone who could put in a cross on the right. Or some variant thereof...
We were so slow on Saturday and nobody ran with the ball at pace, unlike United. I think we'll beat Cardiff, so Europe should be secured. Time for KK to bed this team in and play in a style with flair and purpose. Accept fourth ain't gonna happen and build the team ready for ext season. You never know, if we play with freedom, we might get fourth!
13 Feb 2012 02:39:45
@ Achilles,
Xavi, Iniesta, Kaka just to name a few, I'm not saying Henderson is at that level because his way off but these three above can't tackle. Sometimes fans jump on young players back e.g. Lucas look how good he has become. Give Henderson a chance he was brought here for the future it's not his fault Gerrard has been out injured a lot this season.
I just wished our great fans would give young players a chance (a few seasons) to show what they can do. Don't complain when young player don't want to sign for us because they know how we get on their backs after just 3/4 games
TheBA300
Wasn't the biggest thing with Meireles that he couldn't tackle and wan't brave?
Ash
13 Feb 2012 02:22:00
I personally don't believe suarez will leave and I'm glad give him another chance...someone needs to tell him to play football and talk less...
KingMiz
13 Feb 2012 01:07:00
hi eds and fans , as much as I don't believe I am saying this, but to be very accurate and fair to LFC ,in our best interests it would be to sell Suarez.
First, we backed him and KK and I for one, but to go against what was agreed upon with the KK and the club and act on his own mind is wrong.
Second , whenever and wherever we play we will be followed by this little drama that has spelled out.
We are a club that has an image, sponsors, it is a business at the end of the day, and selling Suarez really is the only solution unfortunately. Yes we are fans and get emotional but we should hinder LFC's progression, and look at hte bigger picture, regardless of Suarez being wrong or not. As long as he is at LFC we will always get the media chipping in at us, and we don't need that.
Eds what are your opinions on this?
hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - I have always said I thought he was too much of a risk to sign, so I would prefer not to comment on this one. Feels too much like saying 'I told you so' if I say he should go, and too much like a hypocrite if I say he should stay.}
Get rid!
This whole saga has gone on for far too long now and will now keep this club in the media for another week or so due to his embarrassing stupidity.
If he didn't want to shake Evra's hand he should have said so and then they would have cancelled the whole handshake malarkey just like at QPR v Chelsea.
He may have been hard done by, and if what people say is true I probably wouldn't have shaken Evra's hand either, but what he did was wrong and selfish!
dmedly
13 Feb 2012 01:02:41
Lets Covertly hire(Max Clifford)Yes a total mercenary t at(alledgedly lol)But we desperately need to raise LFC profile.Regardless of recent rights or wrongs>And guy is good at what he does.Those at club seem incapable of Raising it.Or hire Martin Broughton full time.FFS we need to fight back against cockney/manc media onslaught
Alastair campbell would be perfect! whether we like it or not the modern game goes hand in hand with a more political agenda these days...
a man like campbell would of put this to bed on day one!
peter
Or Peter Mandelson he would be absolutely perfect
13 Feb 2012 00:43:30
I don't care one bit that Suarez didnt shake hands - he obviously had personal reasons for not doing so. That is the problem however - his personal feelings should not be brought in to the professional arena. The man said he would shake hands, he should be professional enough to do it. If I brought my personal crap to work, I would be reprimanded big time. He was very unprofessional on the weekend, and that reflects on the club and that's what annoys me the most. I love the club far more than any player who plays for it. I don't care if Suarez stays or goes in the summer - I just hope LFC dont suffer any from the fallout.
LIVERPRES
13 Feb 2012 00:08:54
did the owners make suarez and the king to apologise?
The owners would have little control over Kenny's actions. I think Kenny told him to. It also looked at the start of the game Gerrard had a word with him so who knows?
Of course they did.
I think its obvious once the story hit the NY Times FSG had to do damage control... does anyone seriously think Dalgleish decided off his own back to make Suarez apologise after he has denied the whole thing ever happened from the very first agro
The story made the New York and Boston papers. The owners told Kenny and Suarez to apologize.
The real fallout will be once the season ends. Just watch.
13 Feb 2012 00:06:05
in hindsight Kennys reaction was wierd,Obvious now he definately didnt know about Suarez's stance.Forget the rights or wrongs(and i had thought Suarez s it on,still do in some part.Almost been made a patsy,for media agenda)But hes made Kenny and LFC look daft.Hes said,or gave impression he was towing the enforced line.Kenny couldve named him sub(bet with hindsight.....)I think hes a gona in summer.Shame that our iconic,genuinely 2 last world class players have both in own way used and hurt us(Torres and Suarez)if he does go,lets not waste all fee on one player,no matter how good.We have a genuine need for more REAL TOP level playeS in side
13 Feb 2012 00:03:18
Just listened to John Barnes on Radio 5. This man needs to be given an ambassadorial role at LFC. NOW.
Well done Digger. You make so much sense.
LJ
Is there a link for the interview or transcription of what was said anywhere?
He should coach our wingers....when we get any!
Iggypop
12 Feb 2012 23:36:01
Hi Ed001, it's all speculation but IF Suarez were to be sold and we got around 35m, who would you replace him with? {Ed001's Note - I wouldn't replace him directly, I would give Bellers a run up front and buy someone like De Jong and Isla with the money.}
Well im glad ur not the manager then!