Liverpool Banter Archive February 13 2016

13 Feb 2016 22:04:46
how about this for a question lfc fans, has there ever been a better trio of players bought at the same time than Beardsley, barnes and Aldridge? . also just consider how cheap all 3 of those players were and what they contributed to lfc.

13 Feb 2016 23:33:43
Beardo was a British record transfer fee at the time overtaken by Tony Cottee I believe 😄.

Those 3 transfers were incredible. A magician (Digger), a maverick (Beardo) and a lethal poacher (Aldo) .

13 Feb 2016 23:58:12
Lets split this out - 3 players bought at the same time - completely agree.

Cheap - at the time Beardsley was a record fee - so hard to say whether they were cheap (yes in today's market) .

Impact to the team - amazing - if only we could do the same this summer - not sure they would pass the pre season though ;o)

13 Feb 2016 23:58:37
Beardsley was a UK record transfer so hardly cheap by 1987 standards.

14 Feb 2016 00:16:50
Part of Kenny's Magic Red Army.

Sublime. Probably the most complete squad we ever asesmbled. Not the most successful, but by far and away the most skillful - a joy to watch.

14 Feb 2016 00:49:41
thanks for the responces. I meant cheap by todays standards, I think its fair to say it was money well spent. Red Lenin I know what you mean, that 5-0 win over Nottingham forest takes some beating. remember that Aldridge volley? pure class.

14 Feb 2016 01:06:43
I agree RED LENIN. The most exciting Liverpool team i have ever watched. They played for fun.

13 Feb 2016 20:40:06
Looks like Chelsea soon ahead of us in the table. Really hope return of Sturridge and Coutinho can have a positive effect. Something to be excited about.

13 Feb 2016 21:22:50
Doubter.

13 Feb 2016 23:36:25
Who cares, coop? Where just as inconsistent as we are and they'll win nothing this season. Can't say the same for us.

14 Feb 2016 00:18:53
big game for them on Tuesday. they have been the worst team to defend the title in recent memory coop. they have risen to a lofty 12th place. let's concentrate on lfc and beating aston villa.

13 Feb 2016 19:03:03
I know the eds get annoyed with the random list of players named and I understand that people hope for players like karius or other young players with high potentials. What gets me is when people name players who have proven they are average and probably won't improve. We already have a large squad, if we are going to add, they need to be at a certain level, or have the capability of bettering our starting 11. We're not gunna sign rues hummels and gundogan and I know that, but players like Camacho, and I must say I've never seen him play, but he's 25, and from people have said, injury prone and has a bad disciplinary record. Rather keep Lucas, and give more time to can, and grujic when he comes.

13 Feb 2016 19:11:27
He's a better player than Lucas when on form but his injuries make him too much of a risk. However, I'm no doctor 😄.

13 Feb 2016 21:42:20
If he has put his injuries behind him and stayed fit he would improve our starting 11.

13 Feb 2016 21:53:28
Yeah maybe, but a big improvement, I don't know?

13 Feb 2016 22:11:26
Ahem. Kev Stewart is the best anchorman since Ron Burgandy.

13 Feb 2016 14:54:27
Eds/ Reds a general question out of curiosity.

Using any player past or present, If you was building a team from scratch what type of player would you start with to build around (this is not a best ever player question) its more a squad building question.

For me I love all action aggressive mids who can do abit of everything, I know people say build from the back but i'm more of a midfield battle winner sort of guy.

I was trying to decide who my perfect mid would be between Gerrard, Keane, Viera but I went with my 4th option. So my first pick would be Souness.

Id also guess that ed001 is a build from the back kind of guy and would prob pick Hansen or McGrath.

Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - keeper is the most important for me. Souness was great, but if your keeper is Mignolet, there is nothing Souness can do to win trophies. The goalkeeper is vital.}

13 Feb 2016 15:34:35
Alonso, it all fell apart the second he left!

13 Feb 2016 15:59:44
Look at all the successful teams/ managers in this country, they all had great keepers.

13 Feb 2016 16:31:00
Totally agree about Alonso.
My 2nd fav Liverpool player (my generation) behind Robbie Fowler.
Of strikers, who would you partner with Rush? Early 90's to present day.

13 Feb 2016 16:56:05
Robbie fowler and ian rush, beat that for a front 2. also gazza just imagine how many goals they would both score that went like an arrow in both corners. the accuracy of both players was unbelievable, 2 of my favourite Liverpool strikers. aided by Alonso and his killer passing range awesome. as your a big fan of Alonso, check out jan molby. the vision of that man was unreal, he also took deadly penalties.

13 Feb 2016 17:28:02
Love the names that roll off from our history

11 Feb 2016 15:06:14
I know summer is a long way off, but I was wondering if the eds had any idea of potential targets, or players we are looking at moving on. Do the eds see wholesale changes or tinkering? Tbh feel the team is a long way short of what klopp expects.

{Ed002's Note - I don't see wholesale changes but there will certainly be some changes. Klopp has to adjust his expectations to work within certain constraints - he cannot change all of the players, the transfer committee, the funding, how his system works in the Premier League etc..}

13 Feb 2016 13:40:05
Spot on, Ed. He needs to fine tune his approach or he will struggle.

13 Feb 2016 12:12:36
Any idea on what might happen with joao teixeira? Will he move on in the summer for more regular football or will klopp give him more and more opportunities in the future? Personally think he could be a good player for us.

Thanks.

13 Feb 2016 12:32:56
I like him also is link up play wow even the other night him and coutinho didn't even need to look where the other was they just knew I haven't seen that since Messi and iniesta to bad they both aren't Messi and iniesta haha but the play they can bring i would try them with firmino studge I think that would be so dangerous in attack plus joao for me is one of are best passers to.

13 Feb 2016 15:13:24
he is 23 needs to play every week, I expect he will leave. the best example I have of Rodgers stupidity, he comes on vs Fulham in a pressure cooker situation, handles himself well, helps create the winning goal and what does br do? he packs him of on loan to brighton, the poor lad breaks his leg whilst on loan there. Rodgers then decides to buy lallana for £25million, you know the rest.

13 Feb 2016 15:56:36
No use talking about BR and his pathetic mistakes. You'll have two migraines just thinking about it.

11 Feb 2016 23:14:20
Ed002, if you're around bud I have a question which I'd appreciate your thoughts on.

Where, if there were a ranking of size, would you place Liverpool by modern day standards amongst English clubs.

I'm proud of the clubs history, we'd have to rank in the top 3 with our list of trophies.

But today? I'm talking as a club overall. Facilities, stadium, academy, global marketing etc.

I'm looking to compare how we fair against how other clubs are working. The kind of deals and stadium Man City, Man Utd have, or the way City have the premium education for their youth, the partnership or feeder clubs they have. West Ham and Spurs, even Chelsea will have brand new modern arenas while we upgrade ours, is that enough? The loan system Chelsea have (similar to other top European clubs like Juve with a vast amount of players always on loan more for profit making)

Are we approaching the modern way, are we already there, are we actually leading the way etc?

Wouldn't mind your analysis whenever you get a chance. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - (a) Size in what respect? Fanbase (will be number one amongst all football fans in England but much lower world wide); size of stadium (top half dozen in England); success (top half dozen in England); income (top half dozen in England); profitability (mid table in England). (2) Quite rightly so, but the concern is that the period of sustained success was 30 to 40 years ago - when many users of this site were not born. Huddersfield Town dominated the 1920s. (3) Facilities are top half dozen or so in England but well behind some other sides. Stadium is a bit of a money pit. It is difficult to rate academies but Liverpool has made a concerned effort to improve it over the last couple of years. Global marketing is of no relevance - Liverpool market the club in specific areas. They will focus on those countries where they have the highest number of supporters in comparison to other sides (Liverpool has the highest number of supporters of any club in the UK, the Republic of Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and is doing well in some parts of Asia). (4) You cannot make comparisons in all of those areas - the stadium is an old one being expanded - not a new one. The loan system is non-existent and light years from a structured system that other clubs use. There is no working "partnership" type agreement. The club has made a lot of changes to improve matters ove rthe past 18 months but many supporters don't see that at all and demand an instant return - when they don't get it they continue to trash everyone associated with the club.}

11 Feb 2016 12:19:07
Hi Ed02

With the owners backtracking on ticket pricing, what other ammo do SOS have to force out or have a go at the owners?

I don't have a problem with the owners. We finally have the stadium getting redeveloped, a top rated manager in Klopp and money has been spent on the first team squad. Probably not spent wisely enough.

{Ed002's Note - They will continue to make it as hard as possible and the recent direct attacks on sponsors has caused a great deal of concern for the club.}

13 Feb 2016 11:58:52
what I can't understand ed 2 is unless they can afford to viably buy lfc outright, what is the point of it all? I agree with the points made by sukhyrai btw. I don't want to discuss money as there are still people out there who believe a "free transfer" is free. so what is the agenda really all about?

{Ed002's Note - It is not simply a case of getting the money to buy the club it is then having the money available to sustain the club - month-on-month costs player wages, staff wages, insurances, maintenance costs, match day costs and policing, electricity costs, insurance costs, pension costs ....}

13 Feb 2016 13:26:34
I know that ed 2 as you have stated on numerous occasions which is why we don't discuss money I just can't see the point of wanting rid of the current owners. somebody has to own the club. do they really think us fans can own it? we can't even agree on which players to keep, nevermind making the really important decisions. thanks for your input on this mate. they could do with seeing some monthly bills eh ed?

13 Feb 2016 09:41:35
I've seen lots of posts recently regarding our goalkeeping situation. For me the first thing we need to do is get rid of Achterberg and bring in a new coach. Reina was arguably the second best keeper in the league, then in comes Achterberg and his form is horrendous for 2 seasons. Mignolet is by no means a grwat keeper but surely he should have shown some improvement, he is making the same mistake everyone, which to me shows that the coaches are not actually improving the mental side if his game. So step one has to be change of coach.
If we decide to by in the summer I would look to the Bundesliga. (Watch it a bit on BT) I know there's talk in the press of Ter Stegen, but for me 20mil is a risk there are keepers with just as much potential but who would cost a lot less. Personally I'm pleased we are linked with Karius, it might just be the Klopp-Mainz link but if it is genuine interest then I'd be happy as he has impressed this season. I would also look at Horn as a potential signing. Then there's keepers like Zeiler, Baumann and Leno (but apparently Real are interested in him) . Any of these would be a vast improvement on what we have.

13 Feb 2016 11:17:49
Totally agree popa, both karius and horn would cost at least half of ter stegen pethaps a little more.

13 Feb 2016 12:32:06
Does anyone know who is regarded as a top keeping coach that could be available?

13 Feb 2016 12:40:10
Love these posts not just ed who we getting ed what's gods name eds eds eds it's actually a good call claiming a new coach. Not a fan of mig but yeah he should have improved just never did so totally agree.

13 Feb 2016 14:51:33
I have to agree- there's no point buying a new young keeper if the gk coach is not going to improve him- and achterberg hasn't improved any of the keepers at lpool.
Interesting that ward hit good form after going out on loan- ie away from achterberg.
To us amateurs it appears obvious that the gk coach is not producing results, but is actually making the keepers worse- so why don't the club see things the same way?

13 Feb 2016 15:23:09
perhaps we could make a banner! anonymush, joking aside you're spot on mate, we need a proper shake up in the goalkeeping department, achterberg was an average keeper himself so he has not got the credentials required to be coaching Liverpool fc goalkeepers. the results speak for themselves.

13 Feb 2016 15:23:06
Hi Ed001

As a fan in his twenties with admittedly no in depth knowledge on goalkeepers of a previous era other than YouTube and old videos when I was younger I still have to question why you reckon goalies and defenders are much worse these days? I mean if you look back at the results of fixtures in the 70s you see games that are won 7-2 and 8-4 and all of these ridiculous scorelines. Surely that indicates that they couldn't of been that much better defensively? Or was it due to lack of tactics etc.? I mean I see clips of people like Barnes and all these great dribbles of the ball and take nothing away from them cause they were amazing but in a lot of clips you barely see a defender even throw in a tackle they just let them glide by like nothing. I don't know it's hard to doubt the level of quality was different between now and then without being around but I guess what I'm mostly interested in is what in your opinion what was it that caused such huge scorelines which we don't see as often today?

Thanks for the thread. Really interesting read.

{Ed001's Note - tactics is the main thing, players are not given the freedom they were, they are held in rigid systems. When you see big scores there is always a breakdown in the system that results in it. Plus it helps playing on better pitches, so many goals were the result of bobbly pitches that you can probably rule out a large proportion because of that. Mainly though it is a more defensive system mindset. Teams play with more defensive players than in the past. Even now they have gone more attacking with the fullbacks, everyone puts a defensive midfielder in to cover any gaps. There is also the problem of the modern defender having to cope with rule changes making it much more difficult to use physical tactics to defend. You used to be able to kick an attacker until he could barely run.}

13 Feb 2016 23:37:20
Errm Barcelona/ RM cricket scores lately in Spain . BM in Germany .
The gulf in class between top and bottom in the prem has obviously closed, in Spain, France and Germany it persists.
It's not a isolated season it's going to get messy -stoke, WH, Leicester and others are shaking up the mighty Quo
Big 4 is now about 8 strong.

12 Feb 2016 21:18:31
Hi eds just looking for some information on a player his name Adryan Tavarez I think that's how you spell it. He seemed like a good prospect a couple of years ago I haven't heard nothing on him since thanks guys.

{Ed001's Note - you might want to try the Leeds site and asking their fans, as he was on loan there recently.}

13 Feb 2016 09:55:04
I live in Leeds so know a bit about the lad. He was apparently super skillful where was a couple of vids knocking about what he was doing in the reserves. Think he couldn't handle the physicality or something. Didn't get much of a look in 1st team wise and all my friends was crying out for him to play more than we are for ward to play!
(Google is dive against Derby, really embarrassing for the lad is that one)

13 Feb 2016 11:49:29
Thanks Yorkshire appreciate that mate and you ed as always nice one la.

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate, sorry I can't help more, all I know is that he was with them.}

13 Feb 2016 16:04:33
Ye he was I've just watched the video on him diving absolutely dreadful. One of the most over reactions ever. You should watch it ed001 it's queit comical.