Liverpool Banter Archive June 13 2013

13 Jun 2013 23:26:52
If Suarez does leave, I don't belive a replacement will be bought in the form of another striker. Sturridge will be the main man up top with borini as cover. Possibly a young striker will be bought, or maybe young adam morgan will be there for 3rd choice.
The main concern is obviously the 3 players that are going to be behind our striker. that's where the money we get from Suarez will be invested. We already have Coutinho, Gerrard and I cannot wait to see little Aspas! So once we buy one more brilliant playmaker I cannot wait to see the amount of chances that will fall to Sturridge.

If Yesil is over his injury, anyone know?
Then he would be ahead of Morgan IMO

We will buy 2. Alberto and Mk.

I agree that we won't be buying another striker it will be someone who can play wide. Sturridge looks great playing the striker role.
So the talk of Higuain in part for Suarez I doubt Brendan would want him.

We need a top proven goal scorer who defenders have respect for and fear facing him as they do suarez torres has things to prove and would still do it with the backing of stevie g and us.

And when the injury-prone Sturridge has time off?

13 Jun 2013 22:24:13
Evening. i'm a level 2 football coach and contemplating doing my uefa B license. anyway, I thought i'd try and find what I could of BRs 180 page dossier, and well, I wanted to get my own footballing ideas out of my head and down on to paper. eds, or posters, its a bit long winded, but if you could tell me if you understand what i'm getting at it would be great to get some ideas bouncing back! (plus it takes it away from suarez on this site!)
here goes.

The 100% Pass (OHPP)


The theory of the 100 percent pass is that, the chance of the ball, being passed to your team mate, without interception, is completely certain. It takes in to account, that said passer, is of able ability to send the ball correctly to the receiver, simply misplacing the pass, doesn't mean it wasn't a 100% pass.

The "ohpp" is near enough going to be the "simple ball" however there is no set distance that an ohpp can be applied. For instance, the space between a centre half and full back could be no more than 15 yards, yet from a full back to the opposite winger could be over 50 yards. It all comes down to judgment, the intelligence of a player is the first thing I look for when bringing them in. To know and read the game quickly and ably to judge the percentage of the pass they're about to play, Is a key asset and one normally under rated behind such things as speed or strength at this level.

In my team I strive to play football and keep the ball. The effects of keeping the ball not only tires the opposition physically, but mentally. To explain it.
Physical draining: when we have the ball, 3 players at all times will make an angle for the ohpp, the other 6 outfielders then relax and save energy, until it comes to their area of pitch EG: LB has the ball, CB, LCM and LW are all trying to receive the ohpp (this will be explained in chapter 2 "transitions of play" ) During the time we have the ball, the opposition harrow to get the ball back, or back track to positions, as they are generally on edge as this is the time we can score, (when in possession). Equalling them losing energy.
Mental draining: There is nothing more demoralising than chasing a ball down, only for them to pass it and make you have to turn around or change direction. Imagine this, their CB is about to receive the ball, you think you can get to him and maybe pinch it and you're in on goal, you bust a gut in a 10 metre sprint, then as soon as you get there, he's played the ball to full back or other centre half. Only a few in world football would then sprint again to where the ball has gone, your Kuyts, Defoes, Rooneys and such. However 99% of the time the man who just chased down the ball then thinks "**** that" and leaves it to get a breather. If you watch Barcelona, their midfield invites the tackler to them, let's them get so close, to where they could even be tackled by them, before releasing the ball. Doing this over and over drains the opposition physically, and mentally as they begin to take the foot off the gas to pressure you, giving you more time.

That is the reasoning why we keep the ball. Executing 100% passing when able is the best way to do this. I expect from my players to always be turning their heads, even when the ball is not anywhere near them, it enables them to paint a rough mental image of where everyone is on the pitch. It saves you vital seconds once receiving the ball. Once receiving the ball, he should already know where his pass is going, he should know who's surrounded, and who's open. The ball must be played to the next man, that it will 100% get to. Its then his job to do the same. If a team mate is surrounded by the opposition, he is not doing enough to be 100% available, and in turn, letting the ball carrier down and putting him under pressure. There should always be at least one 100% pass available at all times every where on the pitch. {Ed001's Note - it sounds exactly like one of our players once described to me as the reason why, at the time, we never put the ball into the box from a corner but played it short. Possession is all important, tire out the opposition, then hit them hard. Which is why we used to score so many late goals. It wasn't that our players were fitter, it was that our players were able to put in less effort over the course of a game.}

Good read Benny and thanks for sharing that. I personally believe that another trait that needs mention for the "OHPP" ideal is the player's movement and off the ball intelligence. A very important trait in this system granted is to have vision on the ball and also great anticipation when ball is being received. The flip side is the availability and options for that player in possession. Players need to be willing to make short bursts themselves to become an outlet and working off the ball in your proposed triangle. It also has a lot to do with players trust with one another on the pitch. That obviously comes with their time and experience together.

Pretty simple stuff Benny, known locally as football! Uglygeordiegenius

Benny, firstly if you put this much effort into understanding and completing the 'B' license log book you should go for it.

Best advice I can give is learn the 'key factors', buy a subitueo set for birds eye/pitchside view (helps a lot when planning) and fully believe in what you are doing come the assessments.

Regarding the OHPP your post is very good, but to improve it and create your own personal dossier I feel you need to be more critcal and by that I mean look at things like:

Would it work in all formations, if not which would it suit?

Which thirds of the pitch should it be used/ what if the opposition press high up the pitch? Does it give the opposition too much time to reorganise.

Are the players good enough to expect it from them, for instance your example of chasing the ball for the opposition, what if they nick it and score. How will that effect the CB /team, what happens if it happens more than once in a game? Will the team lose belief in that style and start hoofing it. How can you safeguard against it happening.

How can the team stop it becoming predictable, you may find players will quite often make the same pass over and again.

How will the team set up when not in possession of the ball, in terms of shape and how and where to press.

Once you have a plan you are happy with (you may well already) try and pretend that is the opposition, how would you approach trying to counter that system, you will find weaknesses which you can try to strengthen.

Hope that helps

K79

Ed001 that's a great and effective idea, the short corner. even if its just one man having to sprint out to you, its effective. also sends the defenders into a mini panic! thus a mental ware.
Red fish you're spot on mate. a lot of that is transitional play however, I almost believe you can set up "plays" like you have in NFL, or NBA from building from the back with the ball. Requirement for that, very talented CBs! ill explain the theories on that in my next chapter!
I just want to stress, if there's a chance of your pass not making the receiver, don't do it! Hendo plays the 100% pass every time. ( in and around the box, you would have to try a flick or tempting threw ball though, I understand that )

Lets just give the opposition that to read, that'll tire them out - i'm knackered reading it.

13 Jun 2013 22:40:19
Hi eds just would like to know. Who in your opinion will be are center half pairing next season? {Ed001's Note - depends on who we manage to sign.}

Papadopulos and Agger!

13 Jun 2013 22:35:07
Looking at what has been rumoured and which positions need strengthening. I have come up with a list of most likely signings. These are not my choices but players who have been linked the heaviest.

Reina and Jones are our two keepers along with Ward as third choice, and from what I can gather if Reina is to leave either Begovic or Mignolet will replace him.

Johnson and Kelly are our main Right Backs. With wisdom there too we can safely say we will not be strengthening this position in the summer.

At Left back, Enrique is the first choice with Robinson our only backup. However with Johnson being able to cover there too and our depth at right back we may not strengthen this area.

At Centre Back we currently have Agger, Skrtel, Toure and Coates.
With the uncertain future of Skrtel and Coates, we may look to add two more Centre backs. If Skrtel is to leave then I would expect a first team player to join. Papadopoulos is the biggest name rumoured to join at the moment. As for Coates I would expect someone who will not play many games in the first team such as Ilori.

Lucas is our only defensive midfielder at the moment. This area will probably be adressed this summer as Lucas is the only player in the squad who fits the bill.

Gerrard, Allen, Henderson, and Shelvey are players who can play in the other Centre Midfield position alongside Lucas. So I doubt Rodger's will be looking to increase the numbers in this department.

Liverpool will no doubt look to have three attacking forwards playing behind the striker as opposed to out and out wingers. With Coutinho, Aspas, Alberto, Sterling, Downing and Suso capable of playing there I think this will be all for these positions although Mkhitaryan is one player who has been strongly linked with us.

In the Striker position we have Suarez, Sturridge and Borini. With Suarez looking increasingly likely to depart we may see one more striker arrive (possibly Benteke). In the unlikely event that Suarez stays I do not see any new arrivals for this position.

I don't believe too much depth is needed at the moment as we are not in any european competitions and we already have quite a decent sized squad to cope with the league and domestic competitions.

In Summary here are the players looking likely to join. These are not necessarily my preferred signings but players who we have been linked with quite heavily.

Begovic or Mignolet if Reina departs.
Toure as Carragher's replacement
Papadopoulos if Skrtel departs
Ilori if Coates departs
Strength in midfield (defensively) who?
Mkhitaryan for attacking midfield
Aspas inside attacking forward
Alberto attacking forward
Benteke if Suarez departs

Red Lee

Bent eke has said he is happy at Villa rules him out

14 Jun 2013 07:25:34
Suarez said he was happy here, what difference did that make?

13 Jun 2013 22:18:46
Out:
Jones, Carragher, Skrtel, Coates, Downing, Carroll, Suarez.

Replaced by.

In:
Mignolet, Toure, Papadopoulos, Ilori, Aspas, Alberto, Mkhitaryan.

Is this what's likely to happen?

If Suarez goes then there will be another striker signed. We will need another number 7

Probably

baja

And a couple more!

That is7 out and 7 in. We needed more squad players than last year. So we need 4 more in than out.

Ynwa

Brad Jones has signed a long term contract. He is a reliable second choice keeper. He will not be leaving any time soon.

I'd be more than happy with that. If suarez does go would love a very dangerous striker that would bag 30 goals a season and have some magic when we need it but if we don't sign that superstar I'd be happy with your list anyway.

Can you say transition season.

I reckon Jones will stay.

We need a famous number 7 to play for us and get us the kudos he will bring

14 Jun 2013 10:46:22
Brad Jones is not a reliable nr. 2 in my opinion! And contracts doesn't mean much these days!
Both Suarez & Skrtel signed new deals and will both be sold so contracts are most of the time not worth the paper they are written on! A young nr. 2 who will push Reina

Malak

13 Jun 2013 19:26:15
Hi eds love the site. Was just wondering after seeing Valencia's Soldado come out and say he would love to play in the premier league or bundesliga is there any chance Liverpool could be interested? Would be the perfect replacement for suarez. Him and coutinho could be deadly upfront.
Cheers {Ed002's Note - I cannot reasonably answer questions with "any chance" in.}

Well is there a possibility Ed?

SR (StrabaneRed) {Ed001's Note - there is always a possibility, that is the problem with these kind of questions.}

13 Jun 2013 21:59:04
Wow rodgers is really on the ball this summer, nobody can accuse him of taking his time with transfers, 1 deal done and another about to be agreed before the window is open with big signings being planned, 1 less piece of evidence for Brendan Rodgers' haters.

13 Jun 2013 21:49:58
Who is this patpoon tool who claims he is a king but sound like a baby throwing toys out the pram, and as far as I remember has only been on the site for a day, we will not be relegated, our players are not s***, and we won't become s*** by signing aspas, who is actually a good little player, so can this pantpoo guy stop posting rat sh1t drivel that no-one wants to hear. Even my cat talks more sense than you.

You actually claim to be a Liverpool fan but chat sh1t about relegation before the season starts. Shut the f**k up and stop hating on everything Liverpool, if you are a genuine supporter. I would give facts to spport my statement but time dosen't need to be wasted on gilfnards like you. Get your head checked, you make waro look positive. I seriously hope its somebody trolling, or our club is in serious trouble with fans like this.

It's someone on a wind up softlad, and you and quite a few others have fallen for it, he's probably sitting in his house with his mates laughing his head off at you all, actually read some off the stuff in his posts it's pure baiting from a manc or a twisted, your all obsessed about things you don't want to hear about Liverpool and it's clouding your judgements, he's calling himself a king FFS.

Waro

Apparently patpoon's real name is Patrick Poontang.

Lil red that's the reaction there after, just don't bite.

Probably a Manc or a bitter r Lil

Alfie

13 Jun 2013 21:36:51
Eds, if Suarez leaves,
Is Muriel a serious option?
You mention work permit problems, how big a risk are these and how can LFC find out before moving for him if they will get one?
I would be happy if we got him as a replacement, younger and possibly better than Suarez {Ed030's Note - A WP would be highly unlikely. }

13 Jun 2013 21:20:21
Hi,

Hopefully if Suarez goes we may get a replacement as I'd like to think that Aspas is a replacement for Downing.

Hopefully, if we get Papa, Mkhitaryan, Alberto and maybe one more cb i'd be pretty happy, even if no replacement for Suarez is brought. Its adding quality in depth which will be great for us and there will be more goals spread around the team.

Sturridge scores, coutinho scores, gerrard scores, Mikhitaryan scores etc etc

transfer windows never play out like you expect though but fingers crossed this will be a good window for us.

JTR

13 Jun 2013 21:06:00
Haven't had chance to reply to a post from a few nights back, from a snivelling little runt K79, asking the Ed's to block my posts. In Liverpool we have a few words for snides like you but I'm sure this wouldn't be shown if I where to put them in this post.

Your a rat lad, and no self respecting Red would ever come out with bleating whining snitching posts such as yours about another Red, it's fans like you who make me embarrassed to be a Liverpool supporter.

Waro

p. s. Ed's would be grateful if you could post this, as asking you to block my post because I stand my ground is bang outta order and needed a reply

13 Jun 2013 21:14:17
I've always said this! 'Stop snitching granddad'
(Boondox reference)

Dont usually agree with anything you say tbh Waro and I keep out of the arguments but you're spot on here

Don't worry about it Waro, the eds responded well by telling them that it's all just banter. I might not agree with some of your views but I defend your right to voice your opinion.

Besides a poster called "patpoon" seems to be trying to wind everyone up now.

Waro you only come on here to try an wind people up to satisfy some sick need of yours, you are incapable of having a proper conversation or argument without throwing your toys out your pram if you don't get your own way.
Grow up lad it's getting pathetic.
Shame because some of your posts can be half decent when you put your mind to it, but you only seem to try and pick fights with people these days and it's boring.

MIKEY

Why don't you focus on posting about football? By sinking down to his level you're acting just as bad. And even the eds have agreed.

I don't agree with many things you say Waro and we've had 1 or 2 minor run ins of late but to have somebody say your posts should be blocked is totally stupid!

Quite frankly we need personalities like you on this site for good banter and whatever opinions you have your entitled to mate.

Sam Adzii JFT96 YNWA

Jeez even I agree with Waro here thought I'd never say that!

Mike S

Sam, Mcb, Alan. Nice one lads, been in work last few days and didn't want to respond until I had more time on the site, I'm off until Monday now so it was the right time to respond, because that had to be said, some people on here drive me crackers but they have there right to say what they want and I'd never act like a pussy and ask they be blocked.

Mikey I don't come on here to wind people up, what I post are my genuine views, if it's not gushing praise about Liverpool some on here want to have it with me, and if someone wants it with me I will respond, so if I have a failing it's that I can't walk away from an argument, I want what's best for my club, not to wind up a load of strangers.

Waro {Ed002's Note - I did not see the original post Waro but it should not have made it thru.}

I have to agree with waro this time, although I may disagree with him sometimes him playing the devil's advocate without going too far, ahem patpoon, makes the site more entertaining. He dosen't deserve to be blocked for any reason. Even if he is negative.

I agree with your point waro. Everyone has a right to an opinion. We may not all agree but then we don't have to, that's the beauty of opinion

Nevada {Ed030's Note - Exactly mate,This is what the site is about. }

Waro, I wouldn't worryabout it mate, I think the poster got a bit confused and thought you were a troll, not a fan.
Anyway how come your taking up so much of the page on the night we sign a new forward? your getting to famous mate.
RNred

No problem Ed002, thank you for the response. Might be best anyway to have a 2 week sabbatical or so from the site, if I'm winding a lot of people up then it must be a right pain in the arse for you guys, call it a holiday away from me Ha ha! See you in a few weeks boys and girls!

Waro {Ed002's Note - I have no problem with you winding folks up nor with your commited opinion in most cases.}

Ah poor Waro got a taste of his own medicine and did not like it!

Ahhhhhhhhhh

13 Jun 2013 20:44:06
LFCtv has confirmed that we have agreed to sign Aspas in principle! Cheers, Scouserseb

13 Jun 2013 20:35:44
As we no Suarez is off, the question is when and with his press interviews will we get a full fee for him as can see teams coming in at last minute to get a knock down price? Do u think this will mean when we come to replace him we will have to pay over the odds at last minute?sorry if u edds have gone over this before. Kinderfish

How do we know for sure that suarez is off.

If he doesn't want to stay he won't and he clearly doesn't want to stay

If they come in at the last moment we will just say no. He just signed a long term contract so a last minute offer is irrelevant this window as the "last minute" won't be for a couple more windows.

It would be relevant as we would not want a unhappy Suarez on the books and he will force the move, what I'm getting at is I can see us getting around 35-40 mill for him in the last few days and spending 20 -25 mill on a joe average player we would get for 12-15 now.

Clubs will only get a knock down price if FSG are in need of money, as it would be easy for them to just refuse the sale.

Knowing Suarez he will be in the papers next week saying he wants to stay!

However it could be another Carroll style sale just hope it's not Carroll no 2

13 Jun 2013 20:24:55
Aspas done

13 Jun 2013 20:17:46
Aspas announced! Exciting times!

You are silly, we are preparing for championship within 2 years. next will be suarez gone and konchesky in

patpoon

How!

Waro

Look poopants give it a rest!

Patpoon give the bloke a chance. Please let some frustration out tonight.

Patpoon, shouldn't you be in bed by now?

Helmet

And when all looked lost, and hope had faded, Waro and patpoon stepped forth to save the day with their everflowing positivity.

Look at it this way, had you heard of michu? Probably not, so give the guy a chance, prima facie he looks a good signing, pace skill and passion, almost like a Spanish Craig Bellamy!

Pantpoo is a wind up merchant folks. He is no LFC fan.

The real AG

13 Jun 2013 19:57:48
See a lot of posters giving out about the Iago Aspas transfer. I bet its because the people uploading youtube clips of him have done a terrible job.

I live in Spain and seen him in a few games this season and think this signing will suprise a few people. He is clearly not a Suarez but I think he will be our Pablo Hernandez. A Pablo Hernandez that can score.

He is the main man in a team that does not suit his style. Celta are not your typical slick Spanish outfit. They usually just long ball it to Alex Lopez or to the corners for Iago Aspas to chase. Despite playing in a poor side, he has scored goals and made many chances. He's generally involved in almost everything they do actually. Without him Celta would have been relegated. There is no doubt. Infact his assist for the goal that saved them was top drawer, rounding a player and picking out the perfect pass for Insa.

He's best attribute for me is his vision. He sees everything allowing him to be very creative.

He also has really quick feet. He won't round 4 or 5 players at once becuase he doesn't have the pace for it but he can easily beat one man if he needs to. PS. I'm not saying he's slow. He's got a burst like Suarez but not lightning.

He's tenacious. Firey little fella.

And a wicked left foot. Great cross and shot on him.

I think Rodgers has bought him for our right sided forward and I think he will be superb there.

The main question marks will be his ability to cope with the physicality of the premier league (I think he will) and how well he can defend. I say this becuase he could well have Johnson behind him and he will be required to help out defending when johnson decides he's too tired to bother getting back after one of his runs.

I am really looking forward to seeing him play in the Liverpool side. I think the style will suit him down to the ground and I think we will possibly see a great player emerge because given ball to his feet regulary and with options on the ball, I think this guy could be awesome.

Davey Sulls

Good read Davey Sulls, fair play. You raise a good point about Johnson which is something I've been thinking about too. A lot of people have voiced their opinions about Downing not being good enough, but the acquisition of Aspas (if it is to replace Downing) makes me wonder how we will fare on the right as I think it's underestimated how much tracking back and defending Downing does in order to help Johnson who, quite frankly, is a liability at the back. I hope the offensive game Aspas brings will outweigh the potential gaps it may open up at the back with Johnson not getting the help he has needed off Downing.

JFT 96

JP

Thanks for the update, it makes a change for someone to be positive. Too many persons out there

Cheers for the post Davey. Sounds like a good addition. Added to what I've seen of him think he looks good and may surprise a few people. I like his hunger and passion. He don't seem to go missing in a match.

As for Downing think we got to keep him, again not everyone's cup of tea like but he gets through a lot of work. Also don't get this left footer on the right set up. Maybe switch from the left when needed but not all the game. Whatever, you don't sell players like him.

And Jonno why no one has played him right wing I'll never know. Wisdom or Kelly behind sorted. Especially away from home when we have to be tight and counter. Still good posts lads.

Alfie

I'm glad you mentioned about downings defensive work, it gets overlooked alot.
derryred

13 Jun 2013 19:45:04
f. ck me we have hit rock bottom we are looking at a loan signing for a 19 year old chelsea reserve player to bulk up the squad. This should never be allowed to happen, we have declared ourselves as second rate also rans which hurts
those of you old enough will understand my aghast

Its all nonsense!

Of course mate

Its shocking

If it was Lukaku I could live with it but

Might be a silly question, but who are we talking about here? {Ed030's Note - Lukaku or Piazon I think pal. }

Piazon is only young could be class in the future what's the problem our little Brazil super star was a inter are January super striker was chelsea reserve come on guys relax

Thanks Ed030. Piazon I guess is the topic then? Decent young player honestly, but seem to recall Ed002 saying someone had made a loan inquiry and it wasn't us so not clear what the fuss is about. {Ed030's Note - No problem mate. }

Chelsea and City will blow loads of cash on loads of players. Which is great for us. They can only keep so many happy and there are quite a few that are never going to get a look in. Like Sturridge who played for both. We pick him up for 8mil. Happy days.

Bargains to be had.

Alfie

So now we're helping our big rivals improve their players? aren't we nice?!

So LFC are shopping in the bargain basement

13 Jun 2013 19:27:50
TRANSFER WINDOW SUMMARY (Only logical targets )

Simon Mignolet ---> Both Arsenal and Liverpool are interested. POSSIBLE TRANSFER

Henrik Mkhitaryan ---> Liverpool have repeatedly been linked with him and rumours that we sent a scout to watch him during the Denmark friendly is a viable notion. His quoted price of 20+ million could be a barrier, so it probably depends upon the conclusion of the Suarez saga. POSSIBLE TRANSFER

Christian Eriksen ---> A common name linked with us over the past few seasons. However an unlikely proposition as he would rather want to play in spain or italy with a champions league club.

Asmir Begovic ---> His quoted price is very high and could prevent any movement for the player.

Iago Aspas ---> Latest Lfc signing. Good acquisition. TRANSFER COMPLETE

Luis Alberto --->Barca have a few days to decide, however it is evident they do not have the funds to obtain him and he could very well be a lfc player come july 1st. POSSIBLE TRANSFER

Tiago Ilori ---> Sporting have overpriced him initially and rumours of us using assaidi floated around for a while. We should be able to meet at a common value though. POSSIBLE TRANSFER

Papadopoulos ---> Again, initial price is too high and risky due to his array of injuries. IF a a compromise is made on the value by one of the clubs then it could be possible. POSSIBLE TRANSFER

It must be noted that IF Suarez was to be sold then a striker would also be bought and possibly one more attacking player so as to make up for the loss of our 30 goal man. {Ed030's Note - Cheers mate. }

13 Jun 2013 19:18:38
I don't get Brendan Rodgers sometimes; yesterday he was speaking about the Champions League and how competitive Liverpool can be next season, and today he's emphasising the importance of squad depth.

Depth is good, it's important across a season, but depth isn't necessarily the same as improvement.

"You can flip it about, but we just need to build up the depth of the squad. I want people who might be disappointed because they're not on the bench.

At the minute we probably don't have that so it's competition we want to get.

I don't want a massive group. We want a tight group with a real core of 17 or 18 who feel they should always be playing and then supported be a few of our top young talents.

We haven't had that - we have had one or two on the sidelines but we need more. "

Without meaning to sound melodramatic, hearing that would concern me if I was a Liverpool fan.

Rodgers' side finished 7th last season, twelve points behind fourth-placed Arsenal. On the basis that every side in that top-four, and presumably Tottenham, will strengthen their starting eleven before next side, it's going to take a bit more than just extra competition for places on the bench to close that gap.

Rodgers has made Liverpool into a good side, but at that moment that's all they are, and despite the pockets of excellence in the team, the current first-eleven doesn't have the concentrated quality to qualify for the Champions League.

Daniel Sturridge was bought in January, and gave the side something which they didn't have, ditto Philippe Coutinho - they made Liverpool better, they weren't just an extension of what the side already had. That's the route to be taking: the addition of players who displace those in the first-team.

This is Liverpool, this is one of the signature clubs of the Premier League, since when is consolidating an also-ran finish good enough?

Come on, Brendan, a bit more ambition please.

My thoughts exactly!

BC

13 Jun 2013 20:01:37
The most we lacked in our games last year was consistency, that comes from having a bigger squad and 2 or 3 players fighting for that starting spot! To be a successful team you really need to have depth in the squad, and there is no problem at all in adding 3 or 4 squad players and 2 or 3 starters to achieve that balance. We have a small squad and if Downing, Henderson, Sterling, Alberto, Kelly, Suso, etc. are our bench options we really aren't doing that badly and shows we have a squad that is improving all the time.
Players like Kyriakos Papadopoulous and Henrikh Mkhitaryan are big players who are open to move here and the club is working on them! That shows ambition and that we will spend the Suarez money on Quality players who will go straight into the team and will make our bench even stronger!

Malak

MAybe you are expecting too much of Mr. Rodgers?

Spot on

Makes me laugh how fans slate BR for being too optimistic somedays and other times he is not ambitious enough?
If you support Liverpool, support the manager.

13 Jun 2013 19:15:57
we should sell coates, assaidi, pacheco, spearing and caroll for the simple reason they don't bring anything to the squad. 35 yr old carra took 28yr old skrtl place because br lost his trust in skrtl. for me we should sell skrtl if br had no trust in him last year at his age why would he have trust coming year. the more I think abt suarez the more I think its best for us to sell him. 7 players and carra retiring, we need to buy what we need and we don't need to replace them all. defence:johnson, agger, enrique, toure, wisdom, and kelly coming back he will need time. midfield:lucas, gerrard, hendersen, allen, coutinho, shelvey. attack/winger:downing, borini, sturridge, sterling. then we have suso, ibe ect coming up. we only need 2 defenders 1 midfielder and 2 attackers/wingers. through suarez and all the other sales money won't be the problem getting the right quality is. in winter sturridge/coutinho really made a impact if 4 out 5 players we bring in can do the same we will all be surprised next season. malta

I think assaidi and pacheco should be kept

13 Jun 2013 18:34:15
Hello eds, heard we were interested in signing Bruma from Sporting. Have you heard anything about it? did he play with Teixeira at Sporting? {Ed052's Note - I know of no interest from us}

13 Jun 2013 19:51:27
Cheesy Hot Rods
JohnBoy

13 Jun 2013 20:39:46
Silly Poopy heads? Is this the level?

13 Jun 2013 18:46:13
Ed. I wanna know about two players.
1. Luis Muriel
2. Marco Veratti?

excellent players. what's the situation with these two. any chance we could afford them? {Ed030's Note - Muriel would be very Unlikely due to Wp issues and I am sure Verrati has other options and the option to stay at Psg and challenge for the French league rather than challenge for top 4 at Liverpool. }

13 Jun 2013 18:40:44
Dear Ed (s) I'm wondering what you actually think about Erikson, considering that now it appears we've changed our target to Mickey. If he really is as good as everyone was making him out to be, and considering the relatively low asking price, surely their should be a whole load of top clubs fighting over him trying to get his signture sorted early, but apparently the only major clubs interested are Liverpool and Dortmund who both appear to be dragging their heels, can you help me out

The dat {Ed030's Note - I prefer Mkhitaryan. }

13 Jun 2013 18:29:03
Eds, I used the search function but was unable to find answers to the following questions. If JonJonJo, Pepe and both Dinsdale brothers move to new clubs, will Sparky spend more time behind the bar with Blair? Also, if Pepe and Sparky are in different countries, who will remind Pepe to put on trousers each morning? {Ed002's Note - There has been an issue with Blair and the services she offers.}

Will Sparky find new chums Ed002?

The real AG {Ed002's Note - We will see.}

13 Jun 2013 16:56:43
Hi eds
What the latest with stefan de vrij? I know we have been keeping an eye on him over the last year. Think him and Bruno martins indi are highly rated in Europe! {Ed030's Note - There is no latest mate. }

13 Jun 2013 15:10:38
Hi Eds. I've been a big follower for a long time and really enjoy the input you all have. This is actually not related to Liverpool, however I was reading one of the other pages an one of the Eds commented that PSG have an agreement with Laurent Blanc to take over when Carlo A. goes to Madrid. Could any of you help me out with this one please?

Many thanks,
REDMAT {Ed030's Note - I don't get your question mate. }

I think he may be asking for confirmation of the deal, ed. {Ed030's Note - It certainly looks likely mate. }

13 Jun 2013 13:13:44
Hi eds, are Liverpool still after Tom Ince? {Ed030's Note - Possibly. }

13 Jun 2013 17:26:49
Hi ed

The work you do is impressive, and you keep the majority happy I'm one of them ans appreciate our work. With all the names banded round and rumours that are coming out of people's mouths are annoying and people just think silly.

Please could you put a potential list together of ins and outs, would appreciate it.

Thank you Aaron {Ed030's Note - Type 'Transfer summary' Into the search function. }

Ed30 (I think) wrote an article about all this in the articles page {Ed030's Note - correct mate I did. }

13 Jun 2013 16:33:25
That's another great player gone!
Jores Okore - was immense against Chelsea and Juve - how we didn't lodge a bid is beyond me : ( probably end up paying over the odds for that donkey Illori now whose a liability
Prendergel {Ed030's Note - Who has he signed for mate?. }

Aston villa

This is proba one of those people who btchd and moaned about signing sissoko etc look where newcastle are now

Some fans drive me up the wall

Aston villa 4 year deal

Aaron

Villa.

Marc

Some people! Illori a donkey?! Have you actually seen him play properly? By all accounts he's very quick and comfortable on the ball, does that equal a donkey?!
And if our transfer policy is going to be sign every player that has one good game against a premier league team at home or in europe we're going to end up with about 400 players on our books and bankrupt!

dannyMAC

At DannyMac - yes mate I trade Portugese soccer for Bwin and watched him Reg, he's shocking and panics alot, his distrubution is awful and rarely makes a pass with full weight.
This is player could be worked mind but when you have someone like Okore who stood out amazingly well against Juve and Chelsea just sign for Villa 4million I must question why we stood still.
He has character and is desparate to make the grade which counts for a lot these days! Illori will end up costing us more than we are willing to pay and a lesser player in terms of ability. I mean German Pezeller is another one, the kid ozes class on the ball frigtening in the tackle commanding and a leader of the Argentian side at 20years.
As Ed stated - Liverpool will buy Illori as cover for Coates and he'll probably leave in 2 years stating not enough game time so tell me what you'd prefer?
Him or 2 defenders with massive potential for the same price?
Prendergel

13 Jun 2013 18:48:50
Liverpool had no interest what so ever in the Danish lad and don't take this the wrong way but I would trust Liverpools decisions rather than what u say any day of the year! after you saw a clip on YouTube your going to write off a 20 year old?
The 5 games I watched Sporting this season he looked nothing like you suggest! Very very fast, queit an elegant player, looks a little inexperienced that is all! He is much faster than okore and is taller and a better header of the ball!

13 Jun 2013 16:17:41
hey lfc fans. I know its only june.

but I hope we are looking at more than just the same names being linked like alberto, mignolet, greek defender and the ilori in portugal!

it seems all light weight to me. we need cover for lucas. to me its more important than the attackers. because without lucas we leak goals because no-one really does his job properly.

so i'm just saying these attackers linked with us. and the fact that brendan says we will need more goals. seems to me like they r missing the point of the premiership being physical too. and cup games

whats your thought guys. eds. haters.

rob {Ed030's Note - Of course there will be other player considered mate,Teams have alternatives and clubs take a look at loads of players not 5 or 6. }

I think we have to be realistic about what we can hope for in terms of players with the well documented lack of funds at the club now.

BR has said he needs numbers and he won't get many by spending all money on a single player.

As fans we should keep our feet firmly on the ground under FSG at this time

Mignolet is 6"3 alberto is tall aswell, and illori is 6"3/4 aswell

So don't know what your talking about. We don't want oafs like carroll thank you

Cheers for the replies guys.

i didn't mean big purchases. I just meant that I feel we lack a bit of physical presence. and I just thought that Liverpool would atleast get cover for lucas or a defensive midfielder
and there doesn't seem to be any links whatsoever

Lol someone just called Papadopulous light-weight, that's funny!

Papadapoulos a light weight?

That's like calling a Lion a veggie!

The real AG

13 Jun 2013 15:52:08
Hi eds,

Have checked recent posts and can't see an answer but can you shed some light on the current hold up with the aspas deal please?

Sorry if it has already been dealt with. {Ed030's Note - Bureaucratic reason apparently mate. }

So the transfer is still on right? {Ed030's Note - Yeah. }

13 Jun 2013 15:48:08
Another Pumpkin?
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Anyone familiar with old fairytales, or anyone with kids will probably be aware of the story of Cinderella. I'm not going to delve into the story but she has a pumpkin which when blessed by a fairy god mother turns into a lavish stage coach to take her to the ball, at midnight when the magic wears off it returns to being a pumpkin.

Why am I rambling about this? What is it a metaphor for? The metaphor is players, and clubs. In this case the pumpkin represents strikers that have walked down the anfield tunnel, and Liverpool football club is midnight.

Many strikers have come here over the years, some have been a bit rubbish. Others have been pretty great. A lot have been these metaphorical pumpkins, they come to our great club with little more a small reputation turn into quality strikers (the stagecoach in case you weren't following) and then once they leave Liverpool (the strike of midnight) they revert back to being pumpkins.

I think its quite an appropriate metaphor since pumpkins can be used for many things (mainly food and crafts) and have the potential to become something more interesting, and Liverpool really does seem like midnight for a lot of strikers. Some even provide evidence for this metaphor by coming back and turning into stagecoaches again (Fowler, Rush). When looking at the fortunes of the ones which left, it's hard to see anything other than a pumpkin (Owen, Torres, Cisse, Heskey).

The point of my post is this; clearly Liverpool does a lot to accomodate forwards and turn them into great players, of course you need the requisite potential in the first place but there's no denying we do create good forwards. Will Luis Suarez turn back into a pumpkin when he leaves Liverpool? And is it really inconceivable that the pumpkin we just bought (aspas) could become a stage coach? I'm not saying he could become as good as Suarez and I'm certainly not saying he could reach the dizzy heights of Rush and Fowler, but he could still be a stagecoach.


Thanks for reading. Comments appreciated and welcome as always.

Can I have what you are drinking or smoking? haha I see your point though! John Wigan

Rodgers as the fairy god mother! haha great imagery that. Hope he's working on his magic.

Like the metaphor man, perhaps some here might find it easier to relate to vegetables.

Sorry Nevada - mataphors not really working here

Puzzled (very)

Yeah I know it was a wacky metaphor, I just felt like adding a little colour to today's post. I have overloaded people with stats in the last couple of days.

Thanks for reading guys.

Nevada

Excellent post Nevada.

The real AG

Haha, well thought out post (as usual) Nevada but being objective I would say:

Cisse & Heskey - were never that great at Liverpool IMO.

Torres - was very good before he arrived and his form was poor a good few months before leaving LFC, or before midnight as you put it!

Owen - this is the best example IMO but then injuries played a huge part in his downfall and some would say this was at least partly down to LFC playing him too often at a young age.

Would be interested to know your thoughts,

HB

Cisse and heskey were both massively improved at Liverpool though and both went back to pumpkins after leaving.

Torres had never scored more than 16 or 17 goals in a season and although he was team captain he still wasn't the beast we made him. He did dip a lot in the 6 months running up to leaving though.

Thanks for all the comments.

Nevada

Fair comment on Cisse & Heskey I'd say mate. I do think Torres had become a pumpkin by the 2010 WC though, a good 6 months before leaving.

HB

13 Jun 2013 15:11:27
Hiya Eds. hope you are all well. Pretty excited about LFC Down Under and hopefully the Aussies becoming the 3rd team to qualify for WC 2014.

Any interest in these players?

Palacio (Inter) maybe 31 but since Mad Mario arrived hasn't been a regular starter and might want a new start.

And Bianchi has been a beast at a struggling Torino side for the past couple of years and maybe may want to stick it up City and have a second crack at the EPL (didnt get along with Sven I think).

If Pepe left what about Zieler? Has plenty of talent and would enhance his WC chances with some great performances should he join LFC. {Ed030's Note - Balotelli signed for Ac Milan mate not Inter. }

Eds. Who was the lad we were potentially interested in who plays in the Aussie league. Attacking midfielder I believe? Thanks. {Ed001's Note - that has got me! I can't think of his name, but I think it was simply a case of his agent trying to get him a move.}

13 Jun 2013 15:05:17
Apparently Assaidi being used in the Ilori deal?

What as bait? {Ed030's Note - Its not Fishing mate just kidding yeah if he was included I assume it would be him and cash maybe £1-2m . }

13 Jun 2013 15:00:49
Is there a reason why we are buying (interested in) so many midfielders? We have Gerrard, Lucas, Coutinho, Henderson, Shelvey, Suso, Allen and we are also linked with Mkhitaryan and Erikson. I think we have other positions we need to worry about more than midfield (I could be wrong).

Also with so many midfield coming in, I am afraid that it will get in the way of youngster breaking into first team?

And with so many talented players in midfield, do we have a possibility of playing a False No. 9 formation. (like Spain did in Euros?)

LFC seem to be obsessed with Midfield players although DM's are not high up the list and that's what we need

Suarez already played as a false 9 last year. And you have to remember some of those midfield players are comfortable playing as wing forwards as well; coutinho, Suso, Mkhitiryan, Sterling, Downing. So it makes our formation more fluid and positions more interchangeable.

13 Jun 2013 14:55:50
Theres lots of reports that we have a strong interest in henrik mkrtchyan and we are willing to offer £22million, just wondering if this is true? and if we have the money to do this? Think he would be a great addition!

13 Jun 2013 14:20:38
hey ed, s
Zidane Sr looks realy good as a holding midfielder. any chance we could nick him. {Ed030's Note - That would be child abduction mate. }

Spat my tea out when I read your reply ed! Pure quality

RR!

13 Jun 2013 13:50:29
hi eds. just want to ask your opinion on our left back position next season. how do you rate jack robinson?do you think he can challenge jose enrique for the left back spot?
thanks eds. appreciate your guys works {Ed030's Note - I think he will go out on loan this season. }

Will be hard to challenge Jose if Jack is out on loan! {Ed030's Note - I did not say he will challenge Enrique. }

13 Jun 2013 01:03:47
Ed001 or edd30 I have not. seen henrik mkrtchyan play. Do you rate him and what are his attributes. Thanks {Ed030's Note - Here is what I think of him mate http://www.player-profiles.co.uk/henrikh-mkhitaryan.php. }

13 Jun 2013 13:31:39
Delighted I got my tickets for Liverpool v Celtic at aviva stadium

Lucky U

13 Jun 2013 16:17:22
yyeah so did I hope we win as I am going down with a load of celtic fans they will be hard to listen to if they win. Tommy Irish Red

13 Jun 2013 16:41:11
Have a nice day out there mate:)

Malak

13 Jun 2013 19:06:26
cheers malack.

Lets hope both clubs put out strong sides on the day Tommy and don't just play the kids

13 Jun 2013 12:40:04
Honestly don't give a s#*t if Suarez goes he's a great player but a massive liability get him out the self centred muggings

If he'd saved it and he didn't get sent off or concede a penalty then yes it was cheating. It's no different from a defender taking someone out when they're the last man.
I love him. For better or worse he wants to win no matter the price.
It just manifests itself in bizarre ways

13 Jun 2013 12:27:05
I've heard some ridiculous rumours of late linking us with Nani and Rooney amongst others. NEVER going to HAPPEN!

a) It's almost half a century since Manchester United and Liverpool did transfer business together, when Phil Chisnall moved to Anfield for £25,000 in April 1964

b) WHY? Would any real Liverpool fan actually want any of these players? Nani is average at best and would play no more a part for us than he does at united. Rooney on his day is un-playable, but HATES Liverpool and that's nothing against him. i'd be amazed if he didn't hate us. he's a toffee who plays for United! Do the math!

Rooney is massively overhyped by the media and the English public have typically bought in to this rubbish. He is ordinary

£25,000 in 1964 would = £2,000,000 approx by today's inflation. is that the "math" you're referring to or am I missing somethin?
Do the math. lol

Rooney's hair-piece must of transferred as it's nowhere to be seen.

DaveyBootle

Are you having a laugh? Nani average at best and wouldn't play any more for us than he did at Utd?

He's a world beater in comparison to Downing. I don't know enough about Aspas but I'd be very surprised if he's as good as Nani.

Yes Nani is inconsistent but still would walk into our team. I can't see us being interested due to wages but I'd consider him different to Rooney, he isn't bleeding Manchester United blood or anything so wouldn't see a big loyalty problem for him. Anyway he's likely to have foreign CL clubs interested in him.

Rooney. never would happen, thankfully! Great player (even when he gets fat) but I'd hate to sign the prick.

13 Jun 2013 19:37:54
Nani world beater compared to downing?! Can not for the life of me stop laughing!
Wonder why downing has more goals and assists than ashley young, nani and valencia combined this season!
Sean you come off like a Manc! Booooooooo

Malak

Chris mate
We all hate Rooney, but he is a great player. From my memory you seem to think Defoe is a good striker. How can you not consider Rooney to be one?

13 Jun 2013 11:32:36
LFC have exactly one month before their first pre season friendly vs Preston: This will mean as Brendan put it 'finish early signings, before season start' so we will have done many of our transfers before that.

My thinking exactly

13 Jun 2013 09:22:56
Hello Ed001. Something I have been meaning to ask you for a while, if you don't mind.

Have you met any of the current LFC players or past players?

The real AG {Ed001's Note - yes.}

Which ones ed if you don't mind? I met Robbie and Jamie Redknapp years ago but that's it for me, in england. {Ed001's Note - it would be a long list mate, met both of those, Carra and Gerrard a lot, Berger, Kennedy, Nicol, Dalglish, Rush, Souness, both Inces, Roy Evans, the great Sir Bob Paisley once, Ronnie Moran, Mcmanaman, Craig Johnston and more. I have been very lucky in that respect.}

We use to get are match tickets in aldos bar off the man himself :) shanks

Very lucky indeed. I'd love to have met Roy, always seemed a great bloke and in my opinion one of the best coaches and managers we've ever had. Just unfortunate to have managed in an era where the players took the piss.

Who are you 001 lucky man

13 Jun 2013 19:23:07
They are the lucky ones to have met ed001 ;)

Malak

Malak you'll get cherry blossom poisoning if you're not careful

13 Jun 2013 21:05:21
Haha! No

Malak

Have you met any of the current players recently Ed001? How is the general feeling among them? Are they confident of a Champions League push next season?

The real AG {Ed001's Note - recently no, I haven't spoken to any current players in a while. It is not that easy to meet up with anyone at this time of year for me, the sites are just too busy.}

Eds who did you find nice people if you don't mind me asking? Would be interested too see what some of them are like!

London red {Ed001's Note - Carra is a good lad, Redknapp always seemed nice, I liked Danny Murphy, but I knew him from his Crewe days rather than with us. Roy Evans is the nicest by far though, though I have to say Grobs was great with me as a kid, though he wouldn't walk on his hands as he said he had change in his pocket!}

Ed. Would those players ever have information on transfers targets and what not? Obviously they would never share it though I am guessing ;) {Ed001's Note - sometimes they do, hence why we can sometimes give exact info on say the time of a player's medical, when every other site is saying nothing is being done that day....}

13 Jun 2013 10:32:59
The Suarez Quandry
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Over the last couple of weeks there has been a lot of debate about Suarez. Some posters are happy for him to leave, where as some (Harry Scousser, Waro and a few others) still want him to stay. There is some reason behind why they want him to stay, and though some people have expressed a disbelief and dissatisfaction with statistics, its in those numbers that their position can be defended.

Player--Games-Goals-Assists-Pass%-KPPG-LB-TB
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Suarez---33----23-----5------76. 6--2. 7--72--13
V. Persie--38----26-----8------80. 2--1. 8--43--3
Bale------33----24-----4------78. 5--2. 3--35--2
*KPPG = Key Passes Per Game
*LB = Accurate long balls
*TB = Accurate Through balls

Looking at the above he is the perfect combination of creativity and goal scoring. Having a higher Key Passes average than his competition, whilst also being far more accurate with his long passes and through balls and still retaining a comparable goals record. Looking at this its easy to see why so many fans are reticent to let him leave, even if he doesn't want to stay. Suarez also had 291 successful dribbles, which absolutely eclipsed Bales 154 (not even second place I might add). Should he stay? We would certainly miss the above if he left. Numbers are actually on Waro, Harry Scousser etc side.

The Intangibles
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Many people, even the ones who like my stat attack posts, have said that stats can't be trusted and that there are qualities which cannot be measured, such as work rate (it can be; look at distance covered), communication, commitment, team work and others. That's a fair point. I realised that it was these intangibles that support the cause of all the posters wanting Suarez out. Work rate cannot be questioned because (while I don't know the stats at present) I'd be willing to wager Suarez covers a lot of distance. Communication?

I think Suarez falls down there, he doesn't communicate with the club, whether he's in Liverpool or Uruguay and when he does communicate with his team mates it seems that he's not very truthful. Team work? Well to me, Team work is doing the best you can and supporting your team members, diving, suspensions, and undermining team morale with your public expressions of dissatisfaction aren't good indicators of team work.

However as above his chance creation shows that at least on the pitch he has team work, well unless you consider that by helping the team a player also helps himself. So it's really very difficult to determine if he does actually work for the team on the pitch, I'm not saying he doesn't I'm just saying you can't really tell.

As for commitment? I don't think it necessary to explore this point really since it's pretty obvious that Suarez is committed only to Suarez. Sometimes that's beneficial and not always a negative, for example; if a player works incredibly hard for themself the side effect is they perform really well and improve the fortunes of your team. It's only when they are self centred and lacking motivation that self centricity becomes an issue.

It was odd for me to write this post as I'm not used to looking at the intangibles as they are. well intangible and therefore it's hard to prove they exist at all and are not just the interpretive creation of my brain. According to cognitive psychology, the entire world is simply the interpretive creation of the brain, does that make it any less real?

Thanks for reading everyone, comments are welcome and appreciated as always.

Good post Nevada (I presume), and a fair assessment.
I have no problemo if the club sells Suarez. When the club deems it right to do so. And I'm talking hard nosed business and squad reasons here, not that "holier than thou" BS that the media pedals out and expects us to follow.
The names we're linked with this Summer give cause for optimism anyway. Let's see how things go. I still think that if Suarez were to go, he doesn't have to be demonised by Liverpool fans. Haha, had to get that last one in.
The Juicer

13 Jun 2013 11:23:24
The Anunaki mate. Enough said;)

Malak

13 Jun 2013 11:36:02
Makes me laugh when people say 'Yeah but he loves the club'.


Carragher loves the club. How many people has he bitten?

WelshBoyDave {Ed001's Note - the difference was, when he made the mistake of throwing a coin back into the crowd, after it was thrown at him, he learnt his lesson. Suarez has just degenerated, made more and more imbecilic decisions as he has gone along. It is an embarrassment that people are still defending him! No wonder players think they are untouchable with all these people defending them no matter what they do!}

Every player in the team has a job to do when they get out on the pitch.
First and foremost you play football for yourself and play to the best of your ability. When you can get all 11 players to do their jobs to the max, whether it's scoring or stopping goals:
Well then you have a good or even great football side as it's a game played by individuals within the framework of a team.
Luis Suarez does his job to perfection; that's what make's him a World Class player. {Ed001's Note - no he does not. Stop masturbating over him and look at it properly. He wastes so many chances he can not be classed as world class. Even if you forget that he spends a 3rd of the season banned each time, he is not world class. Brilliant? Yes. World class? No.}

Turn it in lad; the pretentious words aren't cuttin' it with me!

I see it as the club come out as winners either way. If he stays we have a world class player, if he goes, we get a good amount of cash and less trouble.

Suarez is a great player and is being hounded out of the EPL by a Man U biased media.
He is no angel, but the media frenzy is all because he is good and he plays for Liverpool.
A chance for the Man U media to spin, distort and whip up a frenzy until he goes.
Sickening

Yeah it was my post, I dunno why my name didn't come up I was logged in when it was posted. I agree with you that its a tad hypocritical that some people use his behaviour now since he's always been badly behaved. Some posters though (myself and ed001 are two the spring to mind) have been skeptical of his importance to the team for much longer than this though.

Had to look up the Annunaki there malak? It is a reference to pseudo alien mythology isn't it?

No ones bigger than the club, simple as

Good post Nevada. I agree with Ed001 about Suarez. He has not learnt a thing in how to avoid controversies and continues to do what he wishes, at whatever time he wishes, without any regard to his Club, Manager/s, fellow pros and of course the fans.

Despite all this, many here continues to back him up. "Oh it was not his fault" they say. Rubbish.

The sooner he goes, the faster we can get back to talking football, which hopefully will bring the supporters here together again.

The real AG

Ed001, At what point would you have moved Suarez on?
The Juicer {Ed001's Note - I would never have signed him, so it is difficult to say. It is a shame though, because he can be so good to watch at times.}

Only if he suddenly wake up and u-turn to give a big big public apologise to everyone, esp Liverpool, he can stay and become good again for us.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'turn it in, ' I'm not familiar with the phrase. Pretentious words? Which ones? I can try and make my language a bit simpler if you're struggling to understand it, but only if the majority of people don't understand it. Sorry if the language alienated you my friend, that's never my intention and you have my apologies.

Nevada

The other thing to note about Suarez potentially leaving is it opens up the rest of the team to play BR's system. Look at the last 4 games of the season. we looked more comfortable on the ball, passed much better and the team created more chances. and Suarez was banned and watching from the sidelines. IMO we looked more complete when Suarez wasn't in the team.
Time for a change me thinks and we should snatch the hands off anyone who bids more than £40m.

SHOTHORSE

I was just kidding with the 'world is only the creation of the interpretive brain' reference:)
And don't give a thought to the trolls mate.
Most of us really appreciate your posts.

Malak

I thought that was what you were alluding to malak. Had to look it up though ha ha. I don't have any problems with constructive criticism and if people are struggling to read then I'm happy to adapt to the audience.

Nevada

13 Jun 2013 10:25:24
If.
Suarez goes to Real
And.
Ronaldo goes to Utd
Could.
Rooney go to Liverpool?

Surely Gerrard can sort this out?

No chance Rooney wants to go to a team that competes for titles, also Utd and Liverpool don't do business.

You want Rooney to join us? Why? He's always been a highly overrated player and its pretty clear he's an absolute person as well.

Nevada

*sigh*

Nonsense!

Can no one understand that he hates Liverpool fc?

Yo LFC_Serbia where in serbia are you from.

I'm with Nevada on this one
Hop

Ronney to join us is the biggest joke here. The only thing he wants to do in Anfield is to pixx.

And the feeling is mutual. he's an overweight overhyped overpaid player.

13 Jun 2013 09:53:37
Liverpool are reportedly edging closer to completing a deal for Sunderland goalkeeper Simon Mignolet, as Barcelona continue their pursuit of Reds No 1 Pepe Reina. The Mail Online believes the Black Cats value their star at £10 while the Reds' initial bid was £7m. A compromise, possibly around the £8m mark, could be reached soon.

Ten quid sounds like a bargain but I reckon we could haggle them down to eight if we throw in a pack of monster munch

Ten quid? ill offer a fiver and ill drive him down!

I wouldn't say it is a bargain. Especially when Reina cost about £8.8 million total.

The real AG

Lfc value him at 7mill while sunderland only want a tenner. seems to me lfc paying over the odds again. lol

So Sunderland value him at a tenner and we offer £7m? Sounds about right!

13 Jun 2013 09:41:54
Hi Eds,

Was chatting to a young pro who plays for a team in the north east. He has advised me that his club have inquired about Carrol but West Ham seems to be the destination and also they are looking at taken Wisdom on loan next season. Random I know but this is the same pro who advised me of Enrique and carrol signings before they came out. he also said we were seen coming when we signed Hendo! haha

13 Jun 2013 08:12:34
Hi Ed's and fellow reds.

Just want to say I'm not arsed if Suarez stays or if he goes. All I'm arsed about is my team (our team) doing well next season. We need to stop moaning about BR (for those who love Rafa, let's move on) he's here to do a job, one of the toughest in football, for fans that was brought up on league titles year in year out, 23 years is 23 years to long. I for one believe, he will do a bloody good job too. Those of us lucky enough to get to anfield (myself included) need to find our voices for 90+ mins to be unable to talk, till at least the following Wednesday. We have to make it a fortress again, a cauldron, a place opposition players fear to come. To make it a place were OUR dreams come true. We need to support, and to believe in our team. I for one know that come next season and for many more seasons, that I will sing my heart out until I can't sing no more, I will cheer us on until my voice is no more, but I will NEVER stop believing in Liverpool FC.

YNWA

Well said mate

"I will NEVER stop believing in Liverpool FC".

Is right lad; THAT'S a true fan!
Hats off 2 u m8!

Spot on mate

Don't care about Suarez and his ambiitions to play elsewhwere.
Lfc's ambition is to get in the top4 next season.
So Club before player as always.
Make Suarez stay and get in the top4.
He'll still be worth just as much money and possibly more next summer.

This post agrees with all of my beliefs abut our great club. Great post.

13 Jun 2013 06:23:15
Just so you guys are aware, incase your not, the hold-up with Aspas is down to Celta Vigo withholding a payment due to his agent for this transfer.
Should be complete by the end of the week, so expect plenty of pictures of Dr Iqbal listening to his chest real soon!

Isnt the real hold up just that's its not July yet?

Ciario80

13 Jun 2013 03:50:45
might be nothing, but anybody else hear Marcotti on talks**e saying as far as he knows the deal for the Greek defender is almost done?
Just saying. dunno if it's true

13 Jun 2013 00:49:30
Dear eds are we really interested in lucas piazon of chelsea {Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach to the club by Liverpool although another EPL side have asked if he would be available to loan next season.}

Which side is that?

It's Crystal Palace mate

13 Jun 2013 08:23:44
i just don't understand the Liverpool transfer scene.
they want to buy a ilori and offload coates?
coates had a great world cup and suddenly he vanished?
like how much did he play for Liverpool?
also I don't understand what happens to our youth, we have like the next big things in our youth, they never get their chance and leave.
and why can't our academy produce a striker like a real poacher?
y are people like ince and kacacinilic (spelling) allowed to leave for nothing! and then we r left wid a paper thin squad.! we sure need to buy a few players. but selling is not a option for lfc this season. we need our bad players too. just to bolster that bench. which as of now dpesnt exist. I don't see a prob in downings and carolls being on bench for this season. if we get to somewhere this season they are good to go next season may be a million to two less. but we can't go in this season again wid a paper thin squad.
buy a couple of good players and a couple of free signings just to add in numbers.
surely 6 players leaving and 5 players coming ain't going to get us anywhere.

as for suarez if he leaves lfc should work out good contracts to keep coutinho and sturridge and sterlings at lfc. because as it seems if lfc continue sell and buy, we 'll still have a thin squad (no bench) and suffer a 6th or 7 th in table again.

not to mention a big squad gives u a good go in fa and carling cups. no matter hw small cups are cups.

i would like lfc to add one more player like henrikh or some striker and retain the current squad rather than playing a QPR.

Our academy has produced a lot of young players last year alone who have played for the first team. you need a balance of young and experienced players in the squad.

There is way too much wrong with your argument. You want us to incorporate youngsters and then have Carroll and Downing on the bench?We simply cannot afford to have players on 80k a week as bench players.

We have already given Sterling, Coutinho and Sturridge good contracts.

The real AG

Coates is good but too slow to react against quicker strikers. No pace and not very good on tactical positioning.

13 Jun 2013 18:35:20
Martin Kelly
Raheem Sterling
Jack Robinson
Conor Coady
Andre Wisdom
Suso Fernandez
Jordon Ibe
Samed Yesil
Marc Pelosi
Joao Teixeira
Ryan Mclaughlin
Lloyd Jones
Danny Ward
Brad Smith
Jerome Sinclair
Jack Dunn
Kristoffer Peterson
Yalany Baio


Our academy will in 3 years time make buying new players a forgotten term!

Malak

13 Jun 2013 00:38:51
What is going on? First Saurez and his issues! Now I hear Agger is on his way to Barcelona?! What's next Gerrard on his way to Monaco? I can't keep up with this crap. I need a strong drink and calm the F*** down sorry I have to vent

13 Jun 2013 08:47:50
Haha, agger is going no where! Relax fellah!

It will all be just fine! Try to stay positive lad!

Malak

Someone asked Agger if he was leaving LFC he said the ink on his knuckles is permanent.

Rumours of 13million for him ain't going to happy 4center half's one transfer window don't think so