Liverpool Banter Archive March 13 2013

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13 Mar 2013 23:09:13
IMO I see BR getting in two defenders as carras leaving and skrtl looks like going. GK, we know that mignolet is first choice and maybe a winger/attacker. I hope we do not follow up our interest in tom ince. No doubht the lads a good player but we have younger players such as sterling who are better. As I always say, if any club biys it should he to better in that position not equal. Personally I would love honda but I think that ships well sailed'

Agree with what you said especially about ince, I think Jordan Ibe is better than ince and will be better than sterling so would only restrict his progress, I would love us to get Honda but I reckon he's of to Italy.

13 Mar 2013 23:02:49
The torres posts just make me genually laugh, keep posting#
Edd002 wheres blair. these centuries? excuse of the wife and kids is somwhat lacking, when I have five of my own children, we manage somehow' {Ed002's Note - Blair has had children and has been working at the Lamb and Vulture.}

13 Mar 2013 22:32:56
Who do you think are our most realistic targets in the summer? Top 3 names?

De vrij / eriksen / alonso

We won't sign erikson and alonso I see Liverpool makin a very small offer for alonso but its gunna be rejected

De Vrij, Mignolet and Gameiro

Williams, Iturra, Ince

13 Mar 2013 22:31:45
What do you think of us moving in for Torres?
He needs Liverpool right now and I'm sure we'd get him at a cut price. Our fans are easily the most passionate and would welcome him back, everyone makes mistakes. Would love to see Torres back where he belongs. {Ed002's Note - No problem. I can give you an address to send the Paypal payment to.}

He certainly doesn't belong at Anfield. If he had never played for us, we would be a laughing stock for buying him from Chelsea. He's average and on current form not worth more than about 5m.

Interesting reply - How much do you think Andy Carroll is worth?

35 million obviously lol

Torres would not be welcomed back with open arms

14 Mar 2013 09:09:23
andy caroll is worse than torres.
no matter he is young or having 10 years ahead of him. he is still worse than torres by mile.
atleast torres getting another proper club atheltico to go.
we are struggling to sell caroll

Torres will look back in years to come and reflect that the best move of his career was to Liverpool and the worst was to move to Chelsea.
We definately had the best of Torres while he was with us.

Liverno1

13 Mar 2013 21:26:26
Cannot believe some of these posts - kdimillions made a pun (a good one at that) and the criticism is ridiculous, seriously - it was a joke lol

Secondly, the pun was in relation to Dracula2000 saying Carroll was basically fantastic etc etc - are you serious? Whilst I agree he looked like he was starting to play well at the end of last season (the 2 games against Chelsea) its not that BR didn't give him a chance - he turned up drunk for training, what do people expect a manger to do? Put their arm round him and give him a cuddle! I personally would have loved him to succeed but his attitude wasn't there, if we can't sell him and he does come back he will certainly have a hard task silencing his critics but staying sober and scoring goals would accomplish that lol

Thirdly (and lastly!) we are playing some of the best football I have ever seen us play and I think BR is really starting to get the best out of the players so his way is working! Sorry for the rant folks but was bewildered reading the abuse kidmillions was getting - I for one loved your pun mate!

Where the Count Kidmillions Today?

Unamed poster, Now that's abusive.
You have no sense of humour.

13 Mar 2013 21:16:42
Its the same rubbish as under hicks and gillette. FSG will give rodgers maybe £30m to spend on players. The rest must come from playersales. What kind of players are we linked with? Second rubbish like Eriksen, Ben Arfa etc. I want us to have an owner/owners who will give us money to get 2 or 3 worldclass players of £25m-£40m. In just want that FSG sell the club to the Royal family of Qatar for £300m-£400m. They will get the football people in we need to regain topspot in the Premiership and Europe. We all can say what we want about Manchester City, Chelsea but look what it can get you besides that what we already have!

You absolute T##T! PJRED

Yes, I'm sure they will and then break the financial fair play rules for Europe. I'd uefa are going to do this properly, yen city and Chelsea and believe it or not, us, will need to be careful!

I think spending wisely is the way forward.

Eriksen and ben arfa are top class players you are off your nut if u wouldn't have them currently

Its a shame all our fans aren't like you - let's not support LFC anymore because our owners won't waste hundreds of millions on our team - boo hoo

Errrrrrr. Where to start.

Rubbish like Eriksen and Ben Arfa?
300 to 400 mill for present day Liverpool FC?

Have I missed your sarcasm or do you just not have a clue?

Davey Sulls

One of the worst posts in the history of this page!

mikehoopersgloves

Every opinion counts, but if one were not to count, that would be it.

Daveevad

Obviously cost = ability?

Stupid argument. If you want owners who will pay 25-40 million on 2 players what about Suarez (26) and Carroll (35)?

I think he was trying to be funny and sarcastic.

13 Mar 2013 22:52:47
Owners were never going to spend after the way their money was wasted, Rodgers have longway to go before owners start trusting him with big spending, now don't get me wrong he has bought some exception at the sametime has bought some very, very mediocore players.

Sahin 1 year loan then terminated wasted something like 6-7M there

Allen ok player but cost us 18M ask yourself his he worth 18M considering the likes of honda etc, and still we are looking for another playmaker as his not the answer.

Assaidi bought for 3M never gets chance and won't be far before his shifted as we are looking for another winger

Borini mediocore player who cost us 12M whenever played did nothing and his always injured if we bring another striker then his the one to be replaced

Sturridge bought for 15-16M doing fantastic no question there

Coutinho again looks good no question there.

From now their will be no easy money from owners and Rodgers need to sell some players who he thinks are not good enough or don't suit to his style in order to generate money to buy the player he wants.

Next year top4 will be must if we want to move foward.

Hello people, just to react to the beautifull responds I got on my statement. I want you to tell you something else. And no I don't have sarcasm, I am from the Netherlands and I can assure you that Eriksen is not topclass. He hasn't made progress the last 2 years. Every football analist in Holland says it. I see him every week play so don't judge me on that. I know more about him than you do! If Ben Arfa is that class than why is he still playing at Newcastle? Have you thought about that? Liverpool is waiting 22 years for the premiershiptitle. How long must we wait more? Don't get me wrong but I'm a Liverpool fan since I am a child but I just don't see them make progress since the day they won the last leaguetitle. How long must we wait for the redevelopmend of the stadium. How long has it already been ongoing? As long as that is not finished there won't be more money than now for Rodgers he has to spend on players and that's 30 milion + playersales. Rodgers needs REAL money for topclass players. Players that have the class like Gerrard and Suarez. You see what an impact Suarez has on the team. He is worth the 23 million they paid for him. We have enough average players like Downing, Henderson etc. We must be in a position that we can buy atleast 2 topclass players every year if needed. The debt on the club has grown from 45 million to 90 million pound. Ian Ayres can say that it is not that bad but unfortunately it is THE REALITY! The debt is there no matter how you see and describe it!! And that debt infects the transferbudget no matter how you see it. Mr Henry and Co just don't have the money for Liverpool FC to get the club forward as it should be. Okay maybe but I don't want to wait another 20 years when we finally maybe can compete for the title. Besides that, do you realy think that the UEFA will ban clubs like Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man Utd, Liverpool, Manchester City, Chelsea, AC Milan because of their debts? If they do than the sponsors of the UEFA will pull out and not many people will look anymore to he Champions League etc et c. You know what happens then. The UEFA needs clubs like them to generate money. The clubs have so much power that the UEFA cannot without them!

Question what do you want:

A) to have an owner/owners who give Rodgers every year atleast 60/70 million to spend on topplayers so that we can compete again for the trophy's and the leageutitle year in and year out. Owners which have enough money to pay the debt of the club if the UEFA rings a bell or

B) to have an owner/owners who give the manager 30 million + player sales to spend on players so that we can compete for 4th spot and maybe a trophy once in a while because that 's the reality we are living in the last few years!!!!

I hear from you!

No name, all yur numbers are rubbish
we paid 12M for sturridge
15M for allen but only because swanswea wouldn't do busniess and 15M is his termination clause!
3M total for sahin
so please stop pulling numbers out of your bum, you made him spend 10M more than he did in 2 sec

Truly beggars belief this kind of 'fan', it's certainly a modern problem where everyone wants instant success and things like computer games where people can buy the likes of messi and falcao without any understanding on how the football business works.

For years Liverpool have lost their way, not having the style and flair, no signature style most importantly. Now at the start of this season many people had doubts we could adapt to an actual system/ideology. but as we've seen probably since december, many players have proven we can change and everyone working together brings results.

That's not papering over the obvious flaws this year, and there are many, but we're now in a place where fellow professionals are commending us on our style and play. and it's positive!

This approach isn't going to happen overnight and will take 1-2 seasons to reap the benefits. it's important we aren't impatient like the original poster and get behind the team.

People who have this I want results right now mentality need to get back to fifa or champ manager or whatever it is.

misterdrumz

Ok ridiculousness is compounded in two simple sentences. You claim to know Erikson better than us because you are in the Netherlands. And yet you question the majority of us who are in England when we tell you HBA is quality. You're a joke

Mate you are a Joke yourself. You live in a world where you think that Hatem Ben Arfa is topclass. It just says enough about your football knowledge.

13 Mar 2013 20:44:52
Fellows Ed (s) and reds.
I know its too early and this is just me thinking but realistic targets in mind, I think the following would be great for us.
De Vrij - £10 million
Iturre - Free
Honda - £6 million
Menez - £12 million
With Skrtel, Spearing and Carroll definate exits, they would most certainly pay for the purchases. If Reina were to leave, we would be able to buy a quality keeper for him too.

13 Mar 2013 20:35:58
firstly I love luis suarez and pray he doesn't leave I believe with him next season and a couple of good additions we would really push top four maybe more. my question is tho. if we were to receive say 40m for suarez would you seriously consider it? say 40m?

40m I personally think could buy 2 top top strikers. for instance two of these. damiao/higuain/benzema/lewandoski i'm sure you can think of others.

if we keep suarez I can't see the manager going all out to sign another striker. but if he was to go and all the money was used to replace him we would have enough money to like I said get two top quality editions giving us a front line option of sturridge coutinho sterling suso assaidi (if he stays) downing (if he stays) plus two top quality strikers.

I am only wondering what peoples opinions are. I hand on heart pray suarez stays and leads our challenge next season

discuss.

Calum Red

13 Mar 2013 21:07:01
y should europe's elite striker come to us?
are we in CL?

Would not sell him for even 40 million. I think it's disgusting people moan about loyalty of our players yet the fans will be happy to sell our players.

You could get someone with as much skill as suarez but what I've seen as heard him say the guy loves our club. That opinion may change if he leaves but at the moment as long he loves and keeps his determination to play for us I would 100% not sell him.

Can't buy class

London red

13 Mar 2013 21:48:51
to london red I was never once saying I want to get rid, like I said I pray he stays he's a one in a million player, I was just hypothetically asking for other fans opinions if the worst was to happen.

Calum Red

Ronaldo went for £80M
Torres went for £50M
Hulk went for £40M
Carroll went for £35M

So based on those sales i'd say Suarez to be worth in the region of £60M - £70M as he is currently the best player in the EPL and should get the PFA award, Scores goals for club & country and is one of the best players in the world.

But either way I would not sell him unless he has asked to leave which he hasn't as he has said numerous times he is very happy to be playing for Liverpool and is living the dream.

13 Mar 2013 21:38:01
we weren't in champions league when we signed suarez? i'm not saying it would be easy but if we had 40m to spend guranteed we could entise a player to come.

One problem with fans is that they tar all players with the same brush. some players are money oritentated, some arent. I truely believe that there a great players out there who will see the Liverpool challenge as a great goal to achieve in football. the team that finally wins the league again will go down as legends.

Oh and also we are Liverpool football club, a team kids over the world grow up dreaming to play for. a kid doesn't dream of being a millionaire, a kid dreams of scoring the winner against man united to win the league with the last kick of the game.

Liverpool isn't a club, its a family. and i'm sure we could find a few players who want to become family

Ooh right yeah sorry I get it. Yeah wouldn't be happy with 40 million at all lol

Londonred

I agree with londonred, a truly great player joins a club and gets them to where they should be as a challenge. Not for example join barca and win everything with 10 other great players. I think to really be one of the greats u need to be the player that takes the team on his back and guides them to greatness like maradona with Napoli or even gerrard to certain extent.
Uruseb

Look, you support your team and pay money to do so, but if you was a professional footballer, surely you would wish to play at the highest level. Yes we know Suarez signed for us when we weren't in the champions league. but I would not burn my sons shirt if he decided to jump ship for a side in europe who were challenging for the champions league. I just don't understand fans that believe he should play for us till he retires as long as he's playing well. I want him to stay but I wish him well whatever he decides to do

13 Mar 2013 19:53:10
Good luck to arsenal, Chelsea and spurs this week.
The way I see it the longer they stay in Europe the better chance they have of picking up injuries and dropping point giving us more chance of reaching 4th

13 Mar 2013 21:45:05
bet you wouldn't have included united if they were still in champs league

13 Mar 2013 22:16:58
Of course not, the teams mentioned aren't going to catch up with our CL record anytime soon. Plus there isn't much chance we will catch up with united anyway!

13 Mar 2013 20:12:28
Theres a slideshow on bleacher report naming the top 40 football scandals of all time. The mancs are featured in 9 out of 40 of them through current players, ex players, ex managers etc.
Whiskey nose has got a cheek, calling everyone else all the time.
It doesn't even mention cantona, and all the crap fergie gets away with.

13 Mar 2013 20:05:41
Ed who do you think will win the PFA Player of the Year award? Suarez, RVP or Bale?
Cheers mate,
-Beany. {Ed002's Note - Guesswork Bale - if I were to vote I would give my vote to Suarez.}

At least he'll have Arsenals vote. They won't be too keen on Bale or Van Persie picking up an award

Suarez has upset just about every player this season and last. He will not be picking up too many votes, unfortunately.
I don't think he will be too bothered to be honest though. He will know he is the best and I think a large part of his game is winding everyone up and trying to get them to make mistakes.

MIKEY

I think David Moyes (if he can vote) will give his to Suarez, so would Evra
If its on footballing reasons alone Suarez should win hands down, but as MIKEY posted, there are n't many players in the PL that Suarez have n't frustrated or annoyed.

Roy

It's player of the yr not personality of the yr. Van Persie started the season on fire, Bale has been in top form since Boxing Day, were as Suarez has consistently performed at a high level all season. I am with Ed02 on this, I think Bale will get it, but the real player of the season is Suarez.

We have waited a long time to get a player that annoys everyone on the pitch. Never change Luis, "I love you just the way you are" YNWA

13 Mar 2013 20:01:45
Ed when are the PFA player of the year awards being given out?
Thanks. {Ed002's Note - Mid to late April at a dinner based ceremony in London - but they are announced a week earlier. There is sometimes a struggle to get seats filled for such events. I remember an old buddy who had a programme on TalkSport getting pretty wasted with a QPR player (who had a broken leg) at one of the dinners a number of years back.}

13 Mar 2013 19:10:46
basically if we keep suarez we stay in top 6 next season, if we don't we will not replace him with anyone half as good so I see us falling to about 10th, next season depends on him, he's the only reason we are doing ok atm, nothing to do with rodgers. If suarez had got injured this season rodgers would have been sacked by now, believe that

Nonsense to say it has nothing to do with Rodgers and the rest of the coaching staff and players. The team has evolved in terms of its attacking play since last season and the balance with defending is much improving although there is some way to go there.

Every team has their stars and without them the team is not as good.

I think and hope Suarez will stay but he may indeed leave. He may well be replaced with more than one player if he will.

Davey Sulls.

Ain't you a pessimist. So where would Man U be with out van Persie? Tottenham without bale arsenal without Walcott Everton without Fellini Swansea with out michu. You could say the exact same about every club because top teams have there star. Your forgetting if suarez was sold we would also have a replacement so stop talking out your arse

Londonred

13 Mar 2013 20:27:01
110%. correct.
no tactics. its all suarez.

I thought the same when Fowler Owen Torres left. There will probably always be a world class striker at Liverpool. But I think Suarez has to stay if THIS team is to achieve anything

13 Mar 2013 17:55:52
In an earlier post about the best team of the last 10 years someone replied with this:

You obviously never seen

Andy Carroll
Patrick Berger
Didi Hamann

Andy Carroll???
Embarrassing

13 Mar 2013 18:25:36
I'd rather have Carroll then Darren Bent Chris, who you've advocated on numerous occasions.

I wouldn't.
And that's not really relevant to my point either.
I'd be happy to debate either subject with you if you'd like to. Just let me know which discussion you want to have and we'll take it from there

13 Mar 2013 21:20:52
Ahoy - Carroll every time over Darren Bent.

At least when AC gets drunk he falls over or fights, Darren Bent just puts his moves on team mates wives.

13 Mar 2013 17:34:19
Well done Sterling for winning young premie league player of the year award ahead of oscar, etc

That's what I thought aswell. he actually hasn't won it it was just a survey asking the managers who they would vote for. Here's hoping though!

GuvTOB

Shaw or oxlaid-chamberlin,

The Ox has done nothing this season.

Benteke would get my vote.

Lukaku will win it hands down 15 goals for wbrom this year. only 19

Is Benteke too old? If not he's my pick, then Sterling, then shaw. Jenkinson has been pretty decent as well, Wisdom capping off my top 5

13 Mar 2013 16:22:03
Does anyone know anything about Manual Iturra?
What kind of player is he, how good is he etc?

We're being linked with him- he'll be out of contract in the summer so no transfer fee, but he'll still want a decent contract, and at 28 he's at the upper end of the age range for new recruits.

Also, I thought BR had more urgent priorities than getting another DM, eg CB and LW?

For me he will be the experienced squad player, who will cover for lucas and Gerrard when they are rested. He's good at retaining the ball and not scared to put his foot in.

He might have more urgent priorities but if this guy is a free then we still have to go for him early

Wiki has told me he's a 28 year old Chilean midfielder playing for Malaga and wears the number 16 shirt. If I find anymore info out I'll pass it on

Red Raw

13 Mar 2013 16:12:09
reading br comments that he wants 4 quality players in summer. its obvious he needs to replace carra and proberly quates. I think he would want to bring in another midfielder and attacker/winger. fsg will have funds availible but I guess they want 4 players of the wagebill for the new players. quates carra assaidi and maybe skrtl. what will happen too shelvey aand henderson if he brings in another midfielder? it would not surprise me if he ends up selling henderson to have some extra funds, I like henderson but I always think that br does not that type off player. quates/skrtl/assaidi/carrol/spearing would get us around 35mil we should be able to buy 2/3 quality players with that money, that leaves fsg with 2 players too fund. money won't be the problem this summer the quality will be, I still have some hope for cl football we need to win the next 4 games then we have 5 matches left and if we are close the players will believe its possible. it all depends on the next 4 matches you can play 5 finals not 9. MALTA

Reina
Johnson Agger Sami Riise
Gerrard Alonso Mascherano
Suarez Torres Kuyt

13 Mar 2013 15:54:10
For those that do not no much about young jordan rossiter. I mentioned to eddoo1 a long time ago to keep an eye on this kid and consequently the lad was already on his radar to which we both agree and quote, the lad can reach the stars if he wishes too. I have seen him play since he was 11 and IMO could become the greatest player we have ever sprouted through Lfc. Be patientland hopefully the lad will become the player all the coaches' are fying for'

I agree, have seen him a few times and at 15 he could well be the real deal

13 Mar 2013 15:42:20
I apologize to the minority of posters who choose to defend foul language, maybe yous are just thick? -If you can relate to that wording;)
Most posters and long seving posters choose to discuss players and football through effective communication not by using foul language when they disagree about a player.
Petulance that some posters show through their posts is what separates the men from the hormonal adolescents.
To the majority of supporters and intelligent posters on this site chose to support their players and team through intellectual knowledge and that is why we LFC are the greatest club in the world becuaee we have. smart incredible fans'

It's hardly a den of iniquity in here.

I accept your apology even though I think you'll find your in the minority and I'm with the majority.

Mate are you still going on about kid millions joke? Jeeeez get over it! Eds block any swear words so you blatently are still ranting about it so start talking about football rather then a witty joke which was actually quite good

London red

I dnt know what was said but you do seem a little uptight mate its a banter site what do u expect

Let us protect Football banter from the depravities of barbarians!

Liverpool fans are renowned for their sense of humour, something which seems to have by passed you.
I can relate to "maybe yous are just thick" as that's the way that Jamie Carragher and Steven Gerrard talk and so do I being a born and bread scouser.
So what's your point?
You need to have a look at the responses to your post criticisng me and you will plainly see that it is You! that is in the minority.
Grow up and stop wasting your time posting nonsense BIG AL.

Listen, lad, I suggest you stick to the football then.

Let the editors sort all that out.

It's called a 'banter' forum.

What has always offended me personally is the patronising way certain posters like yourself deem yourself superior in that you feel you can criticise 'posters' on spelling and grammar etc.

That's far more offensive in my opinion.

P. s Never trust anyone who calls themselves 'big'.

DaveyBootle

Hmmm maybe it's you who is thick if you didn't get the joke.
Or maybe your just dead inside.
Kidmillions keep it up lad.

MIKEY

13 Mar 2013 15:11:39
Just reading Enrique comments about Sunday it was interesting how he said he didn't think they would win when we were losing 2-1 which makes me think that confidence does really affect our results.

What he was thinking was let's admit everyone was thinking when they were 2-1 up because off all the times we lose games like that we just expect now whereas man united have that believe they can always win which is obv down on experience where they have came back so much.

I think that game was really vital purely because of confidence as well as the obvious 3 points I think hopefully now if we can just get that run where we do start coming back from games our winning record will go right up! We did get a bit lucky they screwed up (what we normally do) but we deserved that luck so I'm hoping that gives us good results now. Maybe a bit too late for top 4 but a good finish will persuade players too stay (luis!) and maybe quality players to come to us.

Sorry really bored and on the bus lol

Londonred

I hate to say it but that's why Manchester United are so good, even when they lose a game they still have the confidence to keep grinding out results and keep going until the final whistle after fergie time! But for some reason we can't do it, we seem to lose it and the players look depressed and they don't believe they can turn things around at all

Totally agree I watched the Madrid game and they were still going for it at 2-1 with a man down! I mean that's how you win games and get results sometimes despite playing poor! Hope BR gets this programmed into our players

Londonred

Thinking about our comeback against Spurs and Zenit I really can't recollect the last time in the past couple of seasons where-in we produced a fantasic comeback like that! We would just wilt on conceding and would no more look an attacing threat once the opposition snuck a goal in.

For me that is where players like Suarez, Torres (the one who played for LFC) and Gerrard come into play. I still remember games where it looked like we'd lose after a lack-luster game and then suddenly Captain Fantastic would just snipe one in from 35-odd yards and suddenly it'd be game on again!

But you look at the kind of players we've had for the last 3-4 seasons. Poulsen, Joe Cole, Konchesky, Carroll, El Zhar, Babel, Aquilani and the list could go on, they're not players who'd grab the game with the scruff of it's neck and have a real go at the opposition.

We need players like Suarez, Kuyt, Mascherano who'd work even harder if we went behind. And though we no longer have the latter two I can see the kind of work ethic being drilled into the players under BR. Especially Downing, Hendo, Enrique and maybe Coutinho to some extent. And though they're far from inspirational/talismanic like El Pistolero, atleast they're willing to still have a go at the opposition on going behinf. And with wins like the one over Spurs, that will only increase confidence and lead to a hopefully more robust mental and physical effort in tough games.

As always, a big thanks to Ed001 and Ed002 for their effort.

YNWA

13 Mar 2013 14:39:42
Ed's, I know its merely a proposal and still miles off and all that, but about this Qatari tournament. Would Liverpool be considered for it/ would the board like us to be considered? I apologise for my lack of knowledge on this subject!

El Pi**edolero {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers please.}

13 Mar 2013 14:31:55
Maybe I'm just thick, but I don't know why Fergie keeps getting so upset about getting knocked out of the Champions League. Liverpool is only 30 miles from Manchester and if Fergie likes that cup so much, can't he just drive over and have a look at the one permanently based in Liverpool?

13 Mar 2013 14:16:27
Huge props to Brendan Rodgers on Sunday vs Spurs, the team was 1 - 2 down and had not really got going in the second half, conceding 2 goals close to either side of half time.

BR subbed the exhausted Coutinho and brought on Joe Allen, switching Suarez from the number 10 position to the 11 position, whilst playing a more orthodox midfield 3.

The team then came back to win 3 - 2 and take a huge 3 points. I just loved the fact that BR made significant changes (which is his charge) and the team grabbed the spoils as a result.

Really hoping for a strong finish to the campaign and watching more of Coutinho, Sturridge and Suarez. Bring on Southampton et al.

13 Mar 2013 14:38:24
should have been better. if suarez was played up all alone. and allen in the midfield. of three.

Bigger problem. sturridge have become a fan favourite. can't be dropped.

I still believe. suarez up front. is deadly. with hendo/allen. countinho and downing behind him. team looks solid. absolute rock.
zenith. wigan, etc.

harry scousser
ynwa

Sturridge can't not be dropped because he's a 'fan favourite', he can't be dropped because he is the only natural striker who in the squad and he scores most of the games he's played. didn't have a blinder against Spurs but we've looked more dangerous with him than without him for certain, and it's no coincidence that our best results of the season have all had him on the field.

13 Mar 2013 16:38:56
Wow, Sturridge don't bag after being out injured and its thanks for coming. Suarez is capable on his own yes, but it's fans like you who were constantly saying Suarez needed help, then when we get it it's still not good enough.

13 Mar 2013 18:08:54
john boy.

suarez needs help. not from another striker or goal keeper.
suarez needs skillfull players. who can do 1-2 or. that killer passes.
he can shoot. score. and hit back of the net.
he don't need another person to share his chance.
he is capable enough for it. {Ed001's Note - you need more than one player to be able to put the ball in the back of the net. The greatest strength of Liverpool of old was that any player could score a goal.}

13 Mar 2013 18:32:42
Like out or not if wet have notions of once again being a top side we need more then one striker. Suarez for me is world class but there general consensus was that he could do with a bit of help which he's now got. He didn't bag in the City away game, luckily for us Sturridge did.

13 Mar 2013 20:28:32
if suarez is played all alone up front with.
3 good skillfull dribblers behind him
he will hit 50 goals. per seaosn.
simple as that.

If we want to at least try and challenge again we need 4 good forwards. At the moment we have 2 in Suarez and Sturridge. We also have Borini who is yet to prove his worth. I think we need one more and a firing Borini. Goals win games.

The Irish Rover

13 Mar 2013 13:41:40
Eds, what are the chances of LFC signing 1st team player (s) that you were not aware the club had interest in - until a day or so before the player has gone for his medical?

Cheers
JK {Ed002's Note - 12.2%}

Come on Ed. Can't you be more precise? haha

13 Mar 2013 13:04:15
Kidmillions
Watch your language and your impetulance. The man was giving his opinion on Carroll which he is entitled to and your reply was distasteful. there's kids on these sites and youve probably just cemented your identity in your own name on this site 'kidmillions'

I thought kidmillions' response was quite clever - a pun worthy of Shakespeare.

13 Mar 2013 14:00:58
The guys name was Dracula. And Kidmillions called him a Count. Also said Carroll plays like the undead. and support the players in the blood red shirt.

You sir, need to learn a thing or two about comedy. Why so serious?

YNWA! (Adam)

Actually assuming there was no particular venom in it, I thought the 'count' comment was quite funny. Also the guys views were ridiculous - he had 5 good games two and a half years ago, and about 20 good minutes last year, therefore is quality and our current strikers are not because they have never 'been unplayable' - whatever that means

Also, kidmillions is a Grandad, not an *actual* kid. :-)

I wonder if impetulance is the word you were looking for, or if it is a word anyone looks for, ever.

Big Al: Dear oh Dear! Your far too sensitive and should try to develop a sense of humour?
My reply was just a humourous play on words to a typically ridiculous post by Dracula2000 and in no way distasteful.
You've let yourself get carried away with your self righteousness.

Kidmillions i'm sure was only referring to Dracula's noble heritage. either that, or his inability to count how many goals AC has scored since signing for Liverpool.

Carry on kidmillions - most people appreciate your humour and contributions

13 Mar 2013 13:08:24
On a footballing note. Martin kelly when he was bang on form two seasons ago was by a mile our best RB and that was the reason GJ was allocated to left back. When kellys on top form he is the best right back in the country over the current best in our own glen johnson.
Kelly I don't see as our long term CB but he will be given a chance there and will be a superb squad player, in that he can cover IMO any position in the back line.

13 Mar 2013 12:49:40
I know Stevie G is still world class in the midfield, but it could be a thought that he could move back and be a modern day ball playing centre half? He can head, pass tackle has abit of pace read a game. Stevie could save the club money and also keep playing for 6-7more years. thoughts?

You'd have 100 problems.

Melbourne CFC

Maybe someone should tell Rodgers that. Also maybe we should start playing carra as a CB and pepe In goal.

To be fair I think he would still be better than some of the numpties that we have signed over the past few years.

After reading this I was supprised noone had ever thought about it before?!?! Could save the club so much money. So I gave BR a quick text and we are going to save the club millions next season and just use some bums from manchester they won't need wages just a bag of chips to share per day. BR and IA are activly lloking for you so they can thankyou for you effort in spotting this opening in the market.

Pepe is good with his feet. He could be our new number 10. Suarez showed in the World Cup he's good between the sticks. How about a rush goalie. Spearing is kind of small so he could be a mascot.

13 Mar 2013 12:24:51
has Downing got more goals this season than Ashley young?

13 Mar 2013 12:42:05
More Goals and assists than Ashley Uoung and Valencia combined. Not bad for 'deadwood'. just goes to show what support, and playing in your correct position can do for you!

YNWA! (Adam)

Don't think Young has scored any this season so I'd say so!

HB

Have to give it the lad him and hendo have turned it around and I will put my faith in allen too.
just shows that players sometimes need time everyone can't be a Suarez.

Kristian Walsh wrote a pretty good article for espn and the anfield wrap about Downing along those lines - basically that we can't all be Bale but that doesn't mean that players aren't doing a good, valuable job

13 Mar 2013 12:23:49
I've heard of a swap deal in the summer with Newcastle. Carroll for Ben Arfa, anyone heard this? Sources are usually v. reliable.

M.

13 Mar 2013 12:46:41
Sounds like a rumour a web site or Liverpool Kop would make up. Lazy journalism. We need a winger, Carroll wants a return, to Newcastle. 2+2=5.

Can you even remember the last time there was a proper swap deal? I can't. there's too much that can break down when you have so many people involved in a transfer. Even if clubs do 'swap' players, they conduct the deals seperately.

YNWA! (Adam)

HBA to Liverpool. 10 mil plus Caroll seems about right.

Ben Arfa scores spectacular goals but Downings overall contribution to the team is superior. HBA is a good player but with his injury record and unpredictability he's no way worth 22m. Luxury player for me.

13 Mar 2013 11:55:24
I do worry Agger is going to be hugely targeted this summer by other clubs. The way things are shaping up, he will be in the PL Team Of The Season alongside Vertonghen. No other CB's have impressed this season as much as those two, and he will be noticed by everyone.

I am sure he will stay as he loves the club, his commitment is unreal and I believe he will become a club legend if he makes it to 10 seasons with us. But the money in the game is scary. Who would be surprised if Barcelona would bid for him? If there is £25m or £30m on the table, money talks and that would be so difficult to turn down. Could even go up to £35m, this is the times we live in. Everyone sees their defence is the worst they've had in years, and they will replace Puyol this summer. That's the only club I'm concerned about, he will refuse other English sides like last summer he's that dedicated to us.

If we had solid foundations in the CB position I would be sad, but not devastated if he left, as I've learnt over the years to not get too attached to players as a supporter cannot dwell on the past too much. But with Carra retiring, Coates certain to leave, and Skrtel possibly moving, Agger CANNOT leave, as that is way too much change and uncertainty for a team to replace their entire CB's in one summer window. If we do, then it will be one more 'transitional season', as no team can just suddenly click with entire new CB pairings.

And I hope FSG realise this if and when huge offers come in for him. Agger and Suarez are indispensable this summer and should be our two official vice-captains next season after Stevie.
RC {Ed002's Note - There is no way at all that Barcelona would offer anything like £35M for Agger.

35m getting carried away their ladio

35 mil?? I love Agger but for 35 mil I would chain him to my ball sack and drag him to spain to hand him over!

Puyol just signed a new contract till 2016.

There is a point to it though. Agger largely is relied upon to lead out back line. He is a huge presence and one of the few long standing members of our team that needs stability after years of flux. Replacing him won't be a case of finding another good CB, it's about a lot more than that and we will need to be compensated not just for losing our best CB, but for the huge asset that he is specifically to us. Add a new contract to that and we've got to be talking £25ish at least before we even are willing to discuss it

Puyol eats too much Paella

Agger is a quality CB but does not lead the line as stated above.
Due to injury and the lack of a leader at the back, Carra has been reinstated to the line up.
No-one is irreplaceable.

13 Mar 2013 15:24:46
thats a quality post one100 made me lol. Tommy Irish Red

For the last 2 years Agger has lead the line with Carragher demoted to 2nd choice. He's having a bit of a resurgance now, but retiring in the summer at which point Agger will be expected to take over again. And I never said any player is irreplaceable, just that the transfer budget boost from his sale will need to represent more than just a technically gifted CB

13 Mar 2013 11:49:03
Skrtel 13m
Carroll 12m
Coates 6m
Assaidi 4m
Borini 7m
Spearing 2m
Ngoo 1.5m
pacheco 500k
£46m

Guillermo Ochoa - GK - free agent
Stefan de Vrij - CB - £8m
Carlos Zambrano - CB/RB - £5m
Cheikh M'Bengue - LB/CB - £5.5m
Manuel Iturra - DM/CM - free agent
Sofiane Feghouli - WF/AM - £13.5m
Hatem Ben Arfa - WF/AM - £18m
Kevin Gameiro - ST/SS - £6m
£56m

13 Mar 2013 19:08:46
so that's a total spend of 10M!. what about the astronomical increae in wages, your selling par a cuple players on very low wages and buying 4 or 5 players who would demand what our top earners get? wages are a bigger issue to our owners than bulk spending on a player.

Some triple word scores among that list of ins. Are some of those names made up? We'd need a translation team too if that lot landed at Melwood.

13 Mar 2013 11:45:39
Martin Kelly and Daniel Agger as a centre back pairing looks on paper to have the potential to be the best in the Premier.
I know that how it looks on paper and how it actually is in reality are two different things.
But really Kelly has good experience behind him for such a young player and just like Agger if he can put his injuries behind him?
I've never spoken to anyone that didn't think Martin had the ability to be top Class.
He is a supremely talented player that is cool under pressure, really good in the air and not afraid to carry or pass the ball out of defence.
Would love to see that pairing flourish next season.
I know we would still have to sign another cb to provide competition and cover for places along with Wisdom.

You certainly are kiddingmillions with that post!

13 Mar 2013 12:15:28
i am actually a big fan of martin kelly too he along side agger will be a great partership. I would also like wisdom to be used as CB next season with ryan mclaughlin as cover for glen johnson.

"Martin Kelly and Daniel Agger as a centre back pairing looks on paper to have the potential to be the best in the Premier. "

Please explain this statement as I am intrigued! Lol. Martin Kelly + 'best in the premier' in one sentence, I think your jumping the gun ever so slightly :)

HB

You know HB, you spend a lot of time on a Liverpool forum for someone who doesn't support Liverpool. Boring life much? And Kelly is the best U23 defender in the league, and the most versatile except for maybe Jones

HB You can be intrigued all you like and I don't need to debate, it's my opinion and it's not up for debate, you quite entitled to disagree but you won't sway me from my opinion.

13 Mar 2013 09:53:15
Guys have you heard the stories about the qatari summer league for top clubs. paying 175 mill to the likes of man u, barcelona, madrid etc etc. if this goes ahead and we are not invited, I think that would ruin us and the other teams would just get further and further ahead.

Killerpool {Ed002's Note - The whole thing has been on the cards for a while but is fraught with issues.}

So do you see it happening then eds? Also what are the issues? {Ed002's Note - The primary issues are that the players would be playing year round every year and the damage that can be done from playing in the high summer temperatures in the Middle East. The Qatari's wish to talk with a number of clubs who have been involved in the pan European league discussions to see if there is something that could be done there. In the short-term I don't see anything significant happening with this. In the longer term the entire structure of the game will be changing and there will be options to work together with these potentially significant commercial revenue streams, but as I have explained before, it will completely change the orgainizational aspects of the game world-wide.}

Do you see this happening without FIFA / UEFA's cooperation ed002? {Ed002's Note - Which bit? In the longer term I expect UEFA to be disbanded.}

UEFA disbanded?
In favour of what?
And FIFA?
UEFA has the foremost club football tournament and brand in the CL, which is one of the top 5 sports events on the planet. History, prestige, wealth.
I can't see that readily being replaced.
I personally think there is not a public collective world interest to rival that. Sure, there is a vested interest of some clubs, and a portion of their supporters, to have a rival european league or another 'champions' tournament. But there is nothing like the European Cup. A rival to that would wither on the vine, over time. Football and its traditions are too ingrained in people right across Europe.

{Ed002's Note - The proposal from Qatar is not to rival the Champions League. I don't want to go in to too much detail but they want to be better placed in world football long before the 2022 World Cup. There are people looking at investment from the grassroots up to high profile clubs, and this proposal really comes on the back of the pan European discussions that would, if implemented, result in the most significant restructuring of the game since the 1950s.}

Qatar FA have released a statement to the effect of 'it's all rubbish, we aren't planning to give foreign teams ridiculous money to form a superleague'. Doesn't mean much with a country like Qatar but sounds like after the initial idea, the logistics were just too ridiculous to be bothered with

13 Mar 2013 09:29:19
Hey eds, any chance of creating a roundtable section in the site? I mean a field where all the eds give their opinion on some basic banter questions.
For instance, now I would like to ask ed01 what he expects for the Soton match on saturday, but it would be nice to hear ed02 and ed052 too.

Cheers,
Drigan {Ed002's Note - It is not really viable Drigan. However, Liverpool will win 2-1 at Southampton giving away a goal following an absolutely farcical mistake in the 38th minute. There will be a little light rain in the morning, clearing to be a nice although somewhat chilly afternoon. JonJonJo will suffer a small paper cut from the comic WonderDogSparky gives him for the journey.}

My god and they call me Sour Puss

Dracula2000

Thanks ed! Hope Jonjonjo gets better soon!

Drigan {Ed002's Note - It'll be nothing - he won't even cry.}

13 Mar 2013 09:15:44
We shaould sign

Al-Habsi - 3M (if wigan go down, he will be No 2 to Reina)

Sakho (PSG)- 8M
Amerobiatta - 3m (Sign on fee)
L. Shaw (SouthHamton) - 10M

M. Diamme + 14M = A. Carroll (West Ham)
Honda = 7M
Ittura = 2M (Sign On fee)

Gariemo- 8M

Total : 50 M odd.

14m. Plus a striker. For Diame.

7m for a player out of contract in 6 months.

10m for a promising but still not proven LB after one decent season

Yeah 10m for an outstanding LB prospect is ludicrous. Afterall its not like your lads on here valued Sterling at 20m for the first 3 months of the season. It's one thing for Liverpool and something different for everyone else. Typical.

Melbourne CFC

What you on about melbourne?

Oh wait I get it. we over priced one player you lot bought from us :)

You also overpriced the player you spent the money on. We won the CL with Torres, Caroll won the Mickey mouse then went on loan to West Ham.

Melbourne CFC

13 Mar 2013 08:48:46
Just like to say I eat my hat in regards to Stevie g this season as first few months he looked like he had lost his swagger a bit and was struggling to adapt to new style costing us goals with his sloppiness and not scoring etc thought maybe injuries had taken there toll on him. but got to say last 5 months he has been outstanding and it's no suprise now his form is good the team has improved dramatically and he deserves a mention as he hasn't really got that enough for his recent performance so well done Stevie keep it going

IT was the Guru confusing the hell out of Stevie

Now most have chosen to ignore the Guru an play football

13 Mar 2013 00:47:38
I saw Tom Ince playing at Watford on Saturday and he was awful wouldn't like him in a LFC shirt

Sees one match. Judges entire players ability and potential for the future

We do not need mediocre players like Ince-

As in the young player we didn't want to give away in the first place, star of the current u21 campaign, one of the top scorers in the Championship and the highest one that isn't an out and out striker despite being in a relegation threatened club with a revolving door of managers? You've literally just gone championship = mediocre.

13 Mar 2013 00:47:06
This is what I'd love to happen in summer

Out:
Carroll 18mil
Spearing 3mil
Skrtel 15mil
Coates 8mil
Carragher retired
(Possibly downing and a few loans)
= 44 mil

IN:
Sakho 10mil
Ogbonna 10mil
Dede 10mil
Honda 5mil
(Possibly winger depending on departures)

Deed can be defensive mid cover also and Honda can play central or out wide giving us plenty of options, also wouldn't mind a keeper

I have said it before on here, we will not get 18mil for a striker that simply can't score. We will be lucky to get 10 - 12mil for him.

7 -10 mil plus andy carrol will get you HBA

We need Pulis to keep his job. Sell Crouch, Jones and Jerome for decent money and then for Peter Coates to lose his marbles one day and agree with Tony that handing us 12m for Carroll is a good idea. For gods sake don't mention Charlie Adam just in case they've forgotten we've already sold them a sick pup.