Liverpool Banter Archive October 13 2016

 

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13 Oct 2016 22:36:40
Wijnaldum has a hip injury and not hamstring. He's not ruled out of Man Utd game.

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13 Oct 2016 13:38:33
Honestly mate, I wouldn't bother if I we're you. Trying to get tickets for essentially the biggest game if the season 4 days before kick off? You will pay through the nose for them!

Hope you get lucky buddy, but don't let yourself get ripped off!


13 Oct 2016 15:57:33
Yeah I'd forget that one mate unfortunately.


13 Oct 2016 17:33:51
What's that quote from the 51st state about mother in law's?


14 Oct 2016 14:50:19
I was offered a ticket for the next home game for 240 pounds just yesterday - it's probably even more expensive today.


13 Oct 2016 12:41:01
Hi Ed,
Just been reading an article by Ian Ayre about the cost of further developing the stadium, estimating a cost of £60m to £70m and it taking 15years to break even on the outlay and therefore does not make sence. Does appear as if were not going to expand further given the owners comments the other week. What I would like to ask is what is the current situation with sponsors for the stand/ stands, are we close to a deal or is it more prudent to wait untill the end of the season and hopefully CL which could mean a better deal?
I get the point that such things would be added into a current deal anyway but actually been in there would surely attract more interested parties.
This does open up another viewpoint on the Coutinhio debate however, unlike Arsnal, City and UTD we are playing catchup with the stadium and infrastucture which has to be financed somehow.

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{Ed002's Note - From day one I have tried to explain that expanding the stadium is a costly thing to do and that "Phase 2" was always likely to be at risk. Folks really don't seem to grasp how little additional income comes from adding the additional 8k seats - and it will take many, many years to pay off what has just been completed. The Phase 2 makes no real sense financially amd won't be eased by having the name of a Chinese insurance company or whatever on the roof. The way sponsorships are contracted for the more major clubs is on an assumption of Champions League and a reduction if there is not any.}

13 Oct 2016 13:41:18
Bigger stadiums tend to have less atmosphere in general.
Don't see the need for further expansion.


13 Oct 2016 14:53:54
I would think ultimately the best would be to wait till we have the infostructure in place to increase the top above 60k and make a mirror imagine stand opposite the new main as the 1st one seems to have gone down a treat.


13 Oct 2016 13:33:05
Hi Ed
I fully understand that the bums on seats does not make the huge financial difference, although I am surprised that sponsorship is not a big money maker towards the outlay. But that all aside the possitive press coverage we have received from the stand has not only lifted the fans and given an image that we are beginning to compete off the pitch, so back to what I was trying to find out, why has a sponsor not been found? Taking advantage of the opening must surely have been the logical buisness route? They have had years to find a sponsor, so success on the pitch was the only thought I had as to why they were waiting. Hoping you have news on who it is likely to be and when it will be anounced that’s all.


{Ed002's Note - Sponsoring a stand does not give the sponsor much return. I also think you might be over-valuing the amount of money it would bring in. There would be more for a sponsor of the stadium - and of course naming rights.}

13 Oct 2016 13:52:51
Ed002, could it not be argued that there are a few immeasurable financial gains that could potentially be made?

For example 8000 extra seats is 8000 additional people potentially using the club shop. That is a indirect financial boost as a result of the seats.

Additionally and at the extreme end of this point, having more fans in the ground improves the atmosphere (in theory) and makes it more intimidating for the opposition. If it contributed to an increase of just 1 league position each year then the additional prize money is another financial boost.

I know normal businessmen don't look at things in this way. They want cold hard statistics and guaranteed return. Not theories and potential. It does seem a little narrow minded though in an industry so full of immeasurability. Increasing the stadium capacity would at the very least increase the clubs value for when it is sold.

To me it seems like an attempt to butter the fanatics up before another ticket price rise. I'm not a regular match goer so ticket increases don't impact me massively. Thus, I am not one who is strictly against a ticket increase personally, but it does come across as a pro-active excuse!


{Ed002's Note - You think that everyone who attends the game every week goes in to the club shop/ How much do they each spend? Merchandising will bring a tiny amount, it is trivial in the big scheme of things. The "atmosphere" is certainly not a consideration. The ticket prices at Liverpool are low - adding to the reason why adding more seats is not viable.}

13 Oct 2016 15:57:05
All the more credit to the owners for giving something the fans wanted and deserved for too long but not neccasarily the club as a whole needed.


13 Oct 2016 15:58:15
It's not needed.


13 Oct 2016 21:00:14
Bigger stadiums don't have less atmosphere look at Celtic park

Shocking team but the crowd makes then good enough to draw with city see what happens away from home.


13 Oct 2016 22:09:36
Further expansion would be great to allow more fans to get hold of tickets.


14 Oct 2016 02:04:05
I know the club has to be run as a viable business but IF the demand is there it should be the clubs duty to try and give 8000 reds a chance to see their heroes in the flesh.

Surely nothing beats that experience in a young lads eyes.


{Ed001's Note - the 8th most profitable stadium in England should be able to generate enough money without needing a ticket price rise, even if they didn't take the TV money into the equation.}

14 Oct 2016 04:05:51
FSG should diversify from the Anfield stadium. My idea is try building Anfield Auditoriums that beam the match live in different countries. You can have tie up with cinemas that reserve 1 cinema auditorium during match time and call it Anfield Fan Theatre Munich or Anfield Fan Theatre Shanghai. And get these so called ambassadors to watch the live matches with the fans weekly. I believe the world wide fan base will pay to get a pseudo feel of Anfield and maybe a few cheap door gifts.


14 Oct 2016 07:58:26
Might as well watch in my local bar with mates.


14 Oct 2016 19:40:28
Actually, that's not a bad shout Leek. A big cinema screen gives a different experience than a bar. Plus might go down well in some cultures where beer and football don't go hand in hand like they doing the UK.


14 Oct 2016 23:49:31
BT Sport had the Chelsea Arsenal game in VR that wold be a really strange experience. Soon enough people will technically not have to go to the stadium for the stadium experience.


13 Oct 2016 11:57:46
Sorry if this has been mentioned already, had a search but couldn't see it. With the whole academy revamp, apparently Liverpool (with Spus and Southampton) have introduced a £40k a year cap on academy players, as well as vringing back Steve Heighway and Dave Shannon to the fold. Klopp has also noted that the first team training area and academy should be in the same place as it would be better for development. Liverpool have also gone against the FA and actively encourage their academy players to play grassroots football i. e local teams, schools etc.
Whilst this may not have an immediate impact, it is nice to see Klopp and the club taking steps to try and improve things with the academy and hopefully, several years down the line, we will start to see some of the benefits of this. Story was in the Telegraph I believe if anyone wants to read up.

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13 Oct 2016 14:15:03
Im stoked Steve Heighway is back.


13 Oct 2016 11:51:13
Ed001

Have you heard of any updates in regards to the injuries sustained to Wijnaldum and Lallana?

Has Wijnaldum had his scans yet?

Thanks in advance.

Believable0 Unbelievable2

{Ed001's Note - no mate, not heard yet.}

13 Oct 2016 12:06:09
Theyve both been in good form but now is a time to flex our muscles with squad depth and bring in some players who need game time, whether it be sturridge, can, or grujic.


13 Oct 2016 12:35:22
Yeah woolback I agree with that mate.


13 Oct 2016 22:12:52
Lallana has been excellent but could be a blessing in diguise as I love seeing coutinho deeper where he can have a greater influence and perhaps start to dictate games.


13 Oct 2016 11:23:30
Inching towards the most important game of the season. I can't wait us to smash them off the park. Liverpool will need to beat UTD and beat them by a good clear margin.

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13 Oct 2016 11:45:25
I sincerely think we will, but the closer it's ggetting the more nevous i'm getting about it. but with these type of games I suppose we're all going to be nervous about it, anything can happen, fingers crossed it goes our way. if it doesnt, it doesnt, we move on and focus on the next game. But again I've said it before and got a lot of disagrees for it but I think we'll ruin them.


13 Oct 2016 11:49:21
I keep saying this to a lot of utd fans and getting jip for it. so we better do haha!


13 Oct 2016 14:17:38
Nerves are part of the game and part of life especially in anticipation of an event that will be an emotional rollercoaster. What we and the players. What we must not do is allow the occasion to overwhelm us or we will definitely lose the game.


13 Oct 2016 14:21:56
Everyone is far to confident imo. Saying we will smash them. Its our biggest game of season and will not be easy.


13 Oct 2016 16:37:12
The next game is always the biggest game of the season.

I think we will beat them comfortably 2-0 or 3-1, something like that. The reason for my confidence is simple. LFC are
a much better team than Man Utd this season. Both teams are vulnerable to conceding, LFC having the better defenders but Man Utd having far better keeper.
Our midfield is much more dynamic, mobile and competitive than theirs but it's in attack that we are much more dangerous. Not many teams will be able to cope with Firmino, Mane and either Coutinho or Sturridge.

If both teams play to their ability LFC win easily, hence my confidence.


13 Oct 2016 19:58:32
We keep a clean sheet, we win the game. That I am sure of.


13 Oct 2016 22:20:19
Isn't fantastic thing to have nerves before a Liverpool v man United game again, it just feels like one of those classic matches to come, both teams have very good squads but I think we look really dangerous and fit. couple days away from this site because of work so hope u all enjoy the match I know it's early but I am up for it already.


13 Oct 2016 11:04:33
I can't remember last week let alone when we got rid of Suso, but eds what was the reason we got rid? He was one of them lads I really thought would've made it with us. Do you think it'd of been a different story if Klopp was the manager at his time with us?

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{Ed001's Note - because he never got enough game time to progress properly so he wanted to leave. He did have a few disciplinary issues while with us, but he could have been dealt with much better and he was badly handled by the club. I have no idea if things would have been different with Klopp, we still have too many fringe players to allow youngsters enough football.}

13 Oct 2016 11:10:24
Interesting, thanks for the quick reply ed1. That's one thing what at the moment worries me as well, we have some good young talent, who I fear might not get their chances.


{Ed001's Note - I am expecting Klopp to reduce the squad size over time, he prefers to work with a smaller squad usually.}

13 Oct 2016 12:36:33
Thanks for the info ed1 mate.


 
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