Liverpool Banter Archive December 14 2016

 

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14 Dec 2016 23:20:56
Got to give a mention to the liverpool fans tonight as well was at the opposite side of the ground and my word they where loud. so if you where there thank you for making the atmosphere for me wish I could have been in the away end because it was rocking from kick off until the 90 where up. got to say I was really impressed with liverpool tonight after the last two games I was abit nervous about going to boro and watching them but the way they played the second half was brilliant. the pace they played and the press was was fantastic I don't get to go to many games living up north and to watch that kind of football I am kind of envious of the lads who go to watch week in week out at home.

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15 Dec 2016 06:42:15
Hey Jamsey, How did it go yesterday. A nice 10 mile walk then lol ๐Ÿ˜‚.


14 Dec 2016 22:38:13
We have a st who can score goals and can be a very key player for us . He's can do everything score hold it up run behind. Well played Origi tonight. The boys got a bright future.

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14 Dec 2016 23:12:56
Not as bright as the kit mind. It hurt my eyes under the spot lights tonight but I love it!


14 Dec 2016 23:33:33
Ya I like the kit it makes the players can see eachother.


14 Dec 2016 22:04:29
Well done to migs klaven very good. Love a fit stuge but if we got a decent offer in January I would sell.

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14 Dec 2016 22:38:24
Just got back from the game. Migs did well with little he had to deal with. Defence looked solid. Lallana was full of running.

Baz.


14 Dec 2016 21:57:46
Well done reds brilliant victory and much needed before the derby. I must say at the start of the reason I wasn't too sure why we keep hold of lallana and he's made me eat my words we really do struggle without him now and he looks on another level. Shout out to my love origi aswell what a man.

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14 Dec 2016 22:47:05
I've been saying for 2 years that Lallana is technically brilliant and could be a huge player for us if used correctly. Is so good to be right for once.


15 Dec 2016 01:36:51
Lallana has shown what he is capable of by adding goals and assists to his game, which were the only things missing from his repetoire as he has all the other tools needed to be a top player and credit to Klopp for making him what he is now and at 28, that is a player`s prime to make the next jump to world class. This the time to do it.


14 Dec 2016 21:46:17
Someone needs to tell lallana he's English and supposed to be over rated not actually perform that well mate lol.

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14 Dec 2016 21:53:08
Lallana is atrocious

Don't know what he adds to the team

Cant pick a pass, too many touches on the ball and doesn't score enough.


14 Dec 2016 22:30:34
Lol nice one agger, how shocking was migs today though? he let's in the first shot on target, makes basic saves and belongs in the championship, it was a mistake dropping Karius.


14 Dec 2016 22:59:20
Are we all getting sarcasm posts now!? We've had a breakthrough! ๐Ÿ˜‰.


14 Dec 2016 23:12:21
I'm one of the people who used to say that Lallana has too many touches, can't pick a pass and doesn't score enough, and boy oh boy I'm loving how he's proving me wrong this season.


14 Dec 2016 23:19:07
Mignolet is still shite.

How do people forget what he has been like since he joined us.

Big mistake dropping karius today.

Stuck now, karius comes back in and everyone will be on mignolets side, pressure will be on, and he will be trying so hard to not make a mistake that he will probably make loads.

Or why drop mignolet, even thought he is certaintly not the long term answer after 3 years. People forget karius was bought to replace him because he was so crap. But can't get rid if he's not doing anything wrong, even without doing much right.

And finally didn't send a good messgae to all the youngsters that when (and we all know how inconsistent they can be) they are inconsistent there going to be dropped. Karous needed supporting through this period (he wasnt getting it off the blood thirsty "best fans in the world") but needed it from his manager, not in the press and then dropping. just shut up and keep playing him. Take a stand, he's your number1.


14 Dec 2016 23:28:34
Karius will stay out of the team until mignolet goes through a sticky patch, it's why you have more than one gk. I think klopp did the right thing for the record, he needs to be out of the spotlight for a little while.


14 Dec 2016 23:30:11
Supermane I've been saying since mignolet was dropped that I don't remember him being that bad. Sure he wasn't the best under a high ball and his kicking wasn't like reina. but he is a top class shot stopper. The most important part of a keepers game. Saving bloody shots. Karius was under far too much pressure and really under the spot light. He needed to be taken out.


14 Dec 2016 23:50:26
Its what a squad is for.
For the past few seasons Migs wasn't performing but was under no pressure of losing his place.
Klopp dropped him preseason and gave Karius A chance.
That has hopefully given Migs the kick inthe arse he needs to wake up and realise that he Iis only as good as his last save.
Karius will know that when he gets another chance he will have to step up.

Thanks to Klopp complacency seems to be on the way out.

The same applies to Sturridge with Origi, etc.


14 Dec 2016 23:57:01
No ones forgotten how bad mignolet has been the past 3 seasons but some of us aren't going to give Karius the double standard treatment. I'm not saying mignolet is the solution to our problems at the back but he is an option, an option that some have merely dismissed as if he's the worst second choice keeper we have ever had. If Karius was our second choice goalkeeper in previous seasons where mignolet has made consistent mistakes then no one would have any qualms about dropping him for Karius even in his first season. And so far, saying Karius is better than mignolet is a myth and has no substance, SO FAR. Would I personally have dropped Karius, yes, I believe his confidence was effecting his performance and it was costing us points. Moreno, mignolet, Milner, Henderson etc have all been lambasted and have been told to get out of the club when they have made mistakes or costed us games yet the same people say we should support and back Karius. I agree that we should support and back Karius but the double standards is embarrassing, he deserved the criticism he received but he doesn't deserve to get slated the way he did, neither do any of the players listed above. I think this will take him out of the limelight and help him concentrate on improving his game rather than trying not to make a mistake. He put himself out there by making certain comments so I do not understand this whole stance against Carragher saying he's sold his soul just because he's doing his job and criticised a player who has been shaky ever since preseason, no one said a word when he went in on Moreno or mignolet. Most people would drop Karius in this circumstance, it's just the way it is, and it had more pros than cons for me. Mignolet isn't the answer and I'm sure he will have a bad game but migs does the basics better at this very point in time. He may not be good with his feet but he can actually make good saves regardless of what some would lead you to believe. We can all agree we need to give it time and definitely reassess in the summer if it continues this way, but don't make Karius undroppable because we will suffer with that mentality.


14 Dec 2016 23:58:50
If you are inconsistent you should be dropped to work on your inconsistencies . that's not a negative message to the youngsters, its an incentive to perform to your best every single game.


15 Dec 2016 00:22:37
No no no. Seriously am I reading this, literally guys when you think you have seen it all.

1st point. If mignolet was such a top class shot stopper then why would he have been replaced. Forget any other trait, if he stop shots aswel as you all think then he would be the undisputed number one. He is a terrible shot stopper. Like 90 first appearances 112 goals conceded. 50 in one season aswel. 50 Goals. And before anyone blames the defence. We should be allowed a rubbish defence with such a great shot stopper, like those lads over at united. What is it we say you without de gea you would be terrible. De gea saved use today. You only made top 4 because of de gea. Tell me when one you have heard or said without mignolet today we would of got smashed. Never not once.

2 d point. Ed001 where are ya lad. You can't be reading this and not having your fingers itching to make a response. Come on explain to these fools just how bad mignolet is.

3rd point. So you make a mistake and should be dropped. Ok. That doesn't work with a goal keeper. Have you ever dome the same task with and without pressure. Maybe threw something like a bit of popcorn and had it land somewhere incredible and then tried to do it again now your trying and failed or tried not to laugh when your told don't laugh even if something not funny just because the pressure is on. Karius knows because were so tough that he has been bad and dropped for it and now if he gets back in, he will try that much harder to not make a mistake to make sure he doesn't get dropped again (like he should for being bad because that's what we DO) that more mistakes will come, the crowd will be hunting for them r the bellends they have been and ****ing carra will be there with his big sly gob banging on about it and having the chukkle brothers joining him. Terrible.

Bravoo been dropped? HM. No. faith? Trust? Another chance.

We have a kid in goal who through years of knowledge is at least 8/ 10 years from his prime as a gk. In a new league. Away from family. A team going for the league In one of the most competitive ever. And a group of fans gunning for him like they do when they laughed when Brendan said origi could be world class, or hendo was rubbish and the many more there been.

He needed klopps support because right not that's all he has. He can hear the fans moaning, the pundits criticising him (as proved by his reaction interview) probably no mum or dad with him / friends. Unfamilar surroudings.

Oh well. Stuck with migs, dint come crying when he needs dropping.


{Ed001's Note - I have given up on the goldfish with short term memory problems. Mignolet was awful and we had ALL accepted he needed to be replaced if we are ever to win the title. Bringing him back is not the answer.}

15 Dec 2016 05:14:00
@Kman - sorry but talk of a double-standard is complete and utter drivel. Karius hasn't even been at the club 6 months and hasn't even been available for all of them due to breaking his hand. Mignolet has had years to cement the goalkeeping position and has failed spectacularly. Klopp stuck by him a lot but never saw improvement - Karius was brought to replace him and needs the backing of both manager and, more importantly, the fans. He isn't getting it and his confidence will be worse as a result.

There is a double-standard - Mignolet has had dreadful games consistently before yet still maintained his place: Karious has 2 bad games and it's to the bench with him - that is a double-standard. Those using last nights game as some sort of vindication for dropping Karius need their head testing - Mignolet had literally nothing of note to do, nothing. He kept a clean sheet yes but do you honestly think if Karius was in his position he wouldn't? Karius needs support above all else - if only so we can see whether or not he is a viable long-term solution - dropping him at the first sight of pressure will not tell us anything and will do the player more harm than good.


15 Dec 2016 00:22:37
No no no. Seriously am I reading this, literally guys when you think you have seen it all.

1st point. If mignolet was such a top class shot stopper then why would he have been replaced. Forget any other trait, if he stop shots aswel as you all think then he would be the undisputed number one. He is a terrible shot stopper. Like 90 first appearances 112 goals conceded. 50 in one season aswel. 50 Goals. And before anyone blames the defence. We should be allowed a rubbish defence with such a great shot stopper, like those lads over at united. What is it we say you without de gea you would be terrible. De gea saved use today. You only made top 4 because of de gea. Tell me when one you have heard or said without mignolet today we would of got smashed. Never not once.

2 d point. Ed001 where are ya lad. You can't be reading this and not having your fingers itching to make a response. Come on explain to these fools just how bad mignolet is.

3rd point. So you make a mistake and should be dropped. Ok. That doesn't work with a goal keeper. Have you ever dome the same task with and without pressure. Maybe threw something like a bit of popcorn and had it land somewhere incredible and then tried to do it again now your trying and failed or tried not to laugh when your told don't laugh even if something not funny just because the pressure is on. Karius knows because were so tough that he has been bad and dropped for it and now if he gets back in, he will try that much harder to not make a mistake to make sure he doesn't get dropped again (like he should for being bad because that's what we DO) that more mistakes will come, the crowd will be hunting for them r the bellends they have been and ****ing carra will be there with his big sly gob banging on about it and having the chukkle brothers joining him. Terrible.

Bravoo been dropped? HM. No. faith? Trust? Another chance.

We have a kid in goal who through years of knowledge is at least 8/ 10 years from his prime as a gk. In a new league. Away from family. A team going for the league In one of the most competitive ever. And a group of fans gunning for him like they do when they laughed when Brendan said origi could be world class, or hendo was rubbish and the many more there been.

He needed klopps support because right not that's all he has. He can hear the fans moaning, the pundits criticising him (as proved by his reaction interview) probably no mum or dad with him / friends. Unfamilar surroudings.

Oh well. Stuck with migs, dint come crying when he needs dropping.


{Ed001's Note - I have given up on the goldfish with short term memory problems. Mignolet was awful and we had ALL accepted he needed to be replaced if we are ever to win the title. Bringing him back is not the answer.}

15 Dec 2016 05:14:00
@Kman - sorry but talk of a double-standard is complete and utter drivel. Karius hasn't even been at the club 6 months and hasn't even been available for all of them due to breaking his hand. Mignolet has had years to cement the goalkeeping position and has failed spectacularly. Klopp stuck by him a lot but never saw improvement - Karius was brought to replace him and needs the backing of both manager and, more importantly, the fans. He isn't getting it and his confidence will be worse as a result.

There is a double-standard - Mignolet has had dreadful games consistently before yet still maintained his place: Karious has 2 bad games and it's to the bench with him - that is a double-standard. Those using last nights game as some sort of vindication for dropping Karius need their head testing - Mignolet had literally nothing of note to do, nothing. He kept a clean sheet yes but do you honestly think if Karius was in his position he wouldn't? Karius needs support above all else - if only so we can see whether or not he is a viable long-term solution - dropping him at the first sight of pressure will not tell us anything and will do the player more harm than good.


15 Dec 2016 08:30:50
Its debatable whether it was good or bad for Karius's confidence to play last night. He is looking wobbly, the fans and pundits are criticising him and he has a silly habit of airing his views on social media.
Mignolet is not the answer long-term but right now its maybe best to give him a couple of games. He had a good 90 mins and its healthy competition for No.1.
I appreciate goalkeeper is a confidence position but Karius will appreciate he has a bit of work to do. If a few games on the bench shatters his self-belief then maybe he doesn't have the fortitude to play in the highest-pressured league in the world.
How he addresses this minor setback will show what he is made of.


{Ed002's Note - It is the so called "fans" that battered his confidence - as they have done to so many Liverpool players before him.}

15 Dec 2016 10:53:19
Honestly, some of you do not read posts properly or do not put things into logical perspective, it just seems like bitter stubbornness to me. You made a decision that mignolet was not good enough and now he should be never used again even if our first choice keeper is as shaky as my banana flavoured milkshake. That's not logical thinking that's unnecessarily dismissive. If you guys could properly digest a post, you would have realised that I said mignolet isn't the long term answer, nothing to do with 'gold fish memory' I remember exactly how bad mignolet was and I wanted him replaced by a keeper that had years of top flight experience, was already playing at a top class level etc instead we went for a gamble in a position we have been dire in for years. Nonetheless I wanted mignolet replaced after his second season possibly even before that, but the right decisions where never made. And I can't say we have made a right decision yet in regards to keepers until yesterday. You guys completely dismiss the need for healthy competition between the two of them which is the reason we wanted two decent keepers in the first place, so if Karius who has not just made a mistake in the last game like you guys with 'gold fish memory' like to ascertain, he has made mistakes since preseason. The difference is, when you win, mistakes get swept under the carpet, but when the luck runs out, the cracks appear and they did with regards to Karius. You say mignolet had nothing to do yesterday, how do you think Karius got his clean sheets? He had tons of saves to make in those games didn't he, cough cough. At the end of the day it was best for Karius to be dropped, I and many others have this opinion, you have yours. Don't ask ed01 to come help you all the time, like you can't make an opinion for yourself.

I will support and back Karius when he comes back into the team, I believe there's a good keeper in there, I am just yet to see it. What I will not do, is not criticise him because of BS excuses. If a player does something wrong continuously do not expect people to be like you and just put on red tinted glasses.


15 Dec 2016 10:55:29
Agree Ed002 but that is what the modern player needs to find a way to deal with. If you are a sensitive soul you are not going to make it being in the public eye these days. Anyone who throws their opinions into the public domain of social media should expect all sorts of criticism, even more so if you are famous.
If i was Klopp i'd tell the whole team to stop face-twitting and focus on their well-paid jobs.


{Ed002's Note - It is far, far worse at Liverpool than any opther club. The fans have attempted to destroy the owners, the players, the managers and anyone else associated with the club by spewing their constant stream of abuse and hate at everyone and everything. The moronic Manchester United supporters started acting the same way and performances suffered as they did at Liverpool. Maybe they will enter the year-after-year of transition like Liverpool?}

15 Dec 2016 14:24:41
Kman, your hypocrisy is embarrassing. You are the one using double standards to make it look like Migs is somehow a good GK. He is not. Remember BR benched him for BRAD JONES two seasons ago and the only reason he got his spot back was because Jones got injured. He was atrocious at the time but the old excuse always came up, "he`s a good shot stopper". Utter dross. He`s a good shot stopper. When? Utter trash. If he was that good at shot stopping, why did he lead the PL in goals conceded at the first shot on target last season? Why was he beaten at his near post by Fernandinho at the League Cup final? Why did he cost us double digit points last season alone? Why was he benched for Jones? These are facts I am present here to support my argument.

Also, your facts are screwed. You say Karius made mistakes in throughout preseason. Would that be the preseason of which he broke his hand and missed it`s majority? Again, your double standard is embarrassing. You may not like Karius, I get it and you wanted a top class GK. Guess what, genius? They are all taken hence, you create your own and Migs failed at it for three years yet you are hear rewriting history. We all remember Mingo for his atrocities and the general feeling was that he should be binned and the media and the fans are out to get Karius now because he`s the easier target whereas when we were winning, even the things he did right were never highlighted. I wonder why? Also, the fact that we have fans (not you) rooting for our own player to fail is sickening in itself as at no point in time did I ever want Migs to cost us a game so I could gloat but sadly we are seeing this.

Why is Karius being targeted for us not winning whereas there is so much blame to go around, some of which klopp admitted to? because with him in goal, we conceded 5 in 7 games? Did you give him any credit for that? But when he`s making mistakes which even established GK`s make, they are out in force trying to paint Migs as being hard done by by Klopp whereas it was Migs` failures that brought Karius here. Again, the hypocrisy is deafening and Ed02 is right, some of our fans are THE WORST.


15 Dec 2016 23:37:45
I don't think that anyone believes Migs will be the answer long term, but that isn't a reason to persist with a keeper that was clearly struggling. What's more damaging to his confidence, taking him out of the team or leaving him in to make more mistakes? If any other player on the team was making mistakes as regularly as him we would all expect that player to be dropped. Keeper should be the same in my opinion.

Byrne way, Migs did alright yesterday, saved a shot at the near post that I'm not sure Karius would have done on recent evidence. I hope Karius comes good but I don't think he's good enough yet.


16 Dec 2016 15:34:32
LiverDucks, Nowhere did I mention that did not make his mistakes because if you read my post, I pointed that out. my main gripe was the fact that the media, "pundits" and many of our fans were rooting for the boy to fail or were scapegoating him for our troubles that went way beyond Karius` miscues. GK`s make mistakes regardless of their level as DDG and Courtois made mistakes last season. How many points has Migs cost us since he`s been here? A lot. Not once did I hear people in the media or here scapegoat him for the fact that our defence was a sieve BUT all I heard was that he was a great shot stopper, a notion that has no basis in reality. Saying that his mistakes alone cost us the games we didn`t win is nonsense as Klopp has already debunked that. Now after 9 games, he should be binned. Where people shouting for Migs to be binned in the season he conceded 50 gaols? Whatever happened to giving a new player time to adapt and endure with him through his troubles? Al I ask is fairness when judging both of them at the same periods in their LFC careers and in fact, Migs was already playing in the PL before he came to us and he`s was still awful so I`d give the new guy the benefit of the doubt. Also, the save Migs made was the same one Karius made vs Antonio in the WH game. Just stating the facts, mate.


14 Dec 2016 21:43:50
Well done Red's. Excellent performance and a excellent win.

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14 Dec 2016 21:33:12
well ill eat my hat now when did lallana become a goal scorer took him 3 seasons and 2 manages 1million cruyff turns but am happy he is now contributing consistently.

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14 Dec 2016 21:18:42
No sulking no feeling sorry for themselves. brilliant attitude. lallana pure gold.

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14 Dec 2016 21:39:15
Thoroughly professional performance tonight. Dominated Middlesbrough completely. We looked confident and composed, and scored three excellent goals. could've been more.
Can't ask for more than that, Well done lads ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ.


14 Dec 2016 23:01:16
I thought tonight our middle 3 were dominant and were key to the win.


14 Dec 2016 20:55:26
Trying to walk it in.

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14 Dec 2016 19:23:16
Incredibly disappointed that Klopp has decided to drop Karius. The club's motto is 'You'll Never Walk Alone' and it has been absolutely embarrassing with the way the fans have slagged Karius off till the point that Klopp needed to take him out of the lineup. I don't feel Mignolet is good enough, but hopefully he plays a blinder tonight on his return to the first XI.

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{Ed025's Note - karius is walking alone now zpecialone...probably to accrington or somewhere which befits his ability.. :)

14 Dec 2016 22:31:22
Grow up. Players get dropped if they under-perform, simple as that. There weren't too many sobs when Moreno was dropped. It has nothing to do with the club motto.


14 Dec 2016 22:52:46
Klopp took him out of the limelight, he can now play the cup games and get his confidence back up. And honestly klopp will chose who he feels will guarantee him a win. He doesn't base his selection so that he can get one over the so called pundits. We have two keepers good enough for the first team. Something we haven't had before.


{Ed025's Note - thats a very positive spin on things SS, some might say there is not a good keeper between them..but yours is better..

14 Dec 2016 23:04:30
More taken out of the firing line than dropped I fancy. The story was becoming too much about him.


{Ed025's Note - no andy he was dropped mate..

14 Dec 2016 23:07:15
Fantastic decision by Klopp to take the pressure off the lad, whilst having a Mignolet hungry to prove himself again. Mignolet did well. I wonder what the LFC staff make of Karius in training. Is he up to the task or did they make a mistake in buying him?


14 Dec 2016 23:07:27
There is an old saying in football that you are only as good as your last game. If that is the case, then Karius had to be dropped.


14 Dec 2016 23:13:51
I trust the manager.
Great win tonight, let's not make it about Karius again.
Let the story die down then Karius will be back.
By all accounts Migs deserved his start so let's see what he can do.


14 Dec 2016 23:35:39
He was dropped because we have a better keeper on the bench. Migs has his weaknesses but he makes big saves. he has done it in the past including pens. At the moment I could not see Karius making anything other than the basic save. and he has even struggled at that. He can't complain, Migs deserves to be in front of him right now.


15 Dec 2016 00:14:16
Migs is in no way a better GK than Karius. We have had three years of failure from him to make that conclusion. Except 10 games is the new standard for judging new players these days, the jury is still out on Karius. Don`t care really who plays, as long as we win.


15 Dec 2016 01:38:38
Ed025, i see where you coming from, and given past games one might doubt migs, but his shot stopping is there with the best and karius was only second to neuer in the bundesliga last season. I remeber de gea struggling a lot in is first season. Loris did to and courtois wasnt so great last season when he played. Anyway we have young keepers doing well on loans too. I beleive this keeper situation is being blown out of proportions and it certainly doesn't help the team. For now migs is good enough until a younger keeper can displace him, so if he wants to keep his place he knows he will have to fight for it. And he has the calibre to do so. I have supported pool since I was for last 15 years or so and I have never seen so many supporters have a go at all our keepers and asking for a new one after every match. I remember people sticking up for reina, when he was being awful. So it kinda frustrates me when we are having a great season and our fans just won't stop being negative. It certainly doesn't help the team.


{Ed001's Note - Mignolet's shot stopping is down there with the worst! He has never been a good shot stopper!}

15 Dec 2016 01:38:38
Ed025, i see where you coming from, and given past games one might doubt migs, but his shot stopping is there with the best and karius was only second to neuer in the bundesliga last season. I remeber de gea struggling a lot in is first season. Loris did to and courtois wasnt so great last season when he played. Anyway we have young keepers doing well on loans too. I beleive this keeper situation is being blown out of proportions and it certainly doesn't help the team. For now migs is good enough until a younger keeper can displace him, so if he wants to keep his place he knows he will have to fight for it. And he has the calibre to do so. I have supported pool since I was for last 15 years or so and I have never seen so many supporters have a go at all our keepers and asking for a new one after every match. I remember people sticking up for reina, when he was being awful. So it kinda frustrates me when we are having a great season and our fans just won't stop being negative. It certainly doesn't help the team.


{Ed001's Note - Mignolet's shot stopping is down there with the worst! He has never been a good shot stopper!}

15 Dec 2016 14:39:18
A good shot stopper should NEVER lead the PL in goals conceded on the first shot on target, something Migs managed to achieve. Him being a great shot stopper is a myth that has no basis in fact nor reality.


14 Dec 2016 19:11:21
I have one of these firesticks, anyone know what channel the match is on.

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14 Dec 2016 18:26:48
Just trying to be a voice of reason here, I personally would not drop Karius, BUT, do we not have two keepers for competition and to push each other? Is it not right that when one is in the wrong the other should then step in and hopefully step up? Yeah yeah its Migs but what message does it send to players when they have bad games and still play?
Like i said i'd keep Karius in at least for now as the other option is certainly no upgrade, but I do see the other side of the argument here.
Me personally I don't agree on buying cheap on the keeper front, i know there are no guarantees at any cost but i'd go for proven experience all day at the back.
Heres hoping we get back on track! YNWA.

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14 Dec 2016 18:34:31
That's true, we can be very quick to say how bad Mignolet is but he is there for competition and if Karius is underperforming then I suppose Mignolet deserves his chance at redemption (providing he's been good enough in training) . Hopefully if Karius is dropped, it will be for the best and it will bring the best out of him.


14 Dec 2016 18:43:47
It's a daft decision. Goalkeepers are unique in their position and need a certain amount of faith and belief shown from the manager. Mignolet had it for seasons and never improved - Karius has not had it yet and has already been dropped. If his confidence was bad before what will it be like now? Crazy decision.


14 Dec 2016 18:55:43
Reading comments on this and other sites regarding Karius, even talking to lads who have been to games lately saying there were mutterings in the crowd, what a shameful following this club has gathered. They will go to the game and hold up their scarves and sing out loud a song that, it seems for most, means nothing but a good tune.
This is the new world of football fans where pundits tell them what to think just like Simon Cowell tells young girls what music to buy.
I think the desire to win that title is destroying the soul of the club. Poison.
I remember when YNWA actually meant something.


14 Dec 2016 19:00:01
Get what you're saying Ritchie and I agree in principle but not after 2 games. If he's had a mate 4-5 games then fair enough.


14 Dec 2016 19:00:08
I think it's the word "dropped". Rotated would be a better word to use and make it sound less dramatic.


14 Dec 2016 19:00:37
What was the point of putting Neville back in his box just to vindicate him anyway?


14 Dec 2016 19:00:51
think its the right move, Karius needs to be rested, and he will come back stronger, for me, he is very young to be in goal for us, we should have bought a more mature goalie in the summer, but I do believe in time he will turn out to be a top class goalie.


15 Dec 2016 14:41:30
Many in the fan base are out to get him and are quick to pin any poor results on him. Had Fergie and Utd fans done this at this scale to DDG, would they have the world class GK they have now?


14 Dec 2016 18:06:10
I will be absolutely gutted if karius is dropped tonight. The best way to build his confidence up is for the fans to chant his name throughout the gamentire when he next plays. Anyway i'm going for a 5 nil tonight to the redmen.

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14 Dec 2016 18:48:12
5-0. Migs must be having a good game then ๐Ÿ˜„.


14 Dec 2016 19:03:33
no-one has mentioned that Matip is not playing, that's two changes to the defence, can't believe people think we will win 5 0, both teams to score, and we win by one goal .


14 Dec 2016
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14 Dec 2016 17:49:07
Eds if Mignolet is starting well why the hell did Klopp go out of his way to defend him. I really will be losing faith in Klopp if this is the case. I really thought he would not bow to a load of idiots and that includes the one's on this site. If Mignolet makes a mistake i hope you remember who they are. Hamilton red, Sweet chin music etc etc.

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{Ed002's Note - If he is to be dropped it will be because of confidence more than anything else. It will be embarrassing for Klopp but little more.}

14 Dec 2016 18:12:41
I can't recall Hamilton or Chin trashing Karius or called for Migs, but I do sometimes miss posts.
Klopp won't make his decisions based on anything anyone says. He is the manager and his job is to pick and prepare a team to win the next game. If he drops Karius, you can be sure he has done it for the right reasons and not because of fans or the media.


14 Dec 2016 18:25:46
Take it from me and repeatedly over the months Karius on his worst day is better than Migs. This page unanimously agreed we need a new GK in the summer and we bought it.


14 Dec 2016 18:33:48
For Mignolets sake i hope it works out because if not he is going to get slaughtered.


14 Dec 2016 22:34:40
Good solid performance by Mignolet. he's keeping Karius out of the first 11 right now.


{Ed025's Note - sherlock holmes lives!!!.. :)

14 Dec 2016 23:54:49
Probably won't get posted but i will keep trying. Klopp has to take the boys state of mind into consideration more than anything else and try and protect him. I would personally play him again but obviously klopp has had a word and feels this is the best course of action.

I hope it does not affect him too much and he comes back fighting for his place, and heres to hoping for an error free evening from mignolet who bizarrely some are wishing to fail to prove some point.


15 Dec 2016 14:46:39
I would not have dropped him, period. The GK position is like that of the Quarterback in the NFL. If you pick a starter, you ride with him knowing he will make mistakes. To mitigate against the mistakes, you put him in a system where he will be protected (good defence, great running game and offensive line) until he becomes more comfortable in the position. Klopp had done that fairly well with karius as we conceded 5 in 7 games with him in goal. That protection failed vs Bournmouth and he was hung out to dry by his teammates. To me, that was a learning curve and tho he messed up vs WH, there is a lot of blame to go around as the team as a whole. Klopp may have done the right thing but we will see if Karius reacts to it positively or negatively.


14 Dec 2016 17:39:08
Be interesting to hear the Eds thoughts on the number of relatively young players being linked with moves to China - Oscar being the latest. Sounds like a waste of talent in many cases, all for the lure of the bigger pay packet, as if they don't get paid enough.

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{Ed002's Note - Since China opened up it has thrown a massive potential market in to the mix for professional sports (not just football, but there are other growth sports as well) and a number of Chinese companies see the potential for significant income form the game. Chinese money is already flooding through football with ownership and/or investment in clubs as diverse as Inter Milan, Espanyol, Den Haag, Milan, Sochaux, Aston Villa, Milan, Atletico Madrid, Slavia Prague and significantly, City Football Group. City of course owns Manchester City, New York City, Yokohama F Marino and Melbourne City - and are looking to expand in to China and South America. For years the professional game in China was under a cloud of corruption (including match-fixing) and the Chinese, and to be fair FIFA, have worked very hard to resolve the issues. The game is on the up there and they have the money to pretty much do what they want, and this involves taking a mix of players to play in China - there are high profile players at high-profile English sides that are being offered significant financial rewards for moving to China. There is now a shift coming in Europe and I would expect to see further investment in European sides - there is one organization looking hard at Germany and another already successful in buying in to Italy. They of course have to work within certain legal ownership frameworks and that will restrict investment in certain countries. Do not be surprised to see another English side be taken over by Chinese owners in the not too distant future (let me suggest Lander might look to Southampton as a viable option since their preferred choice is gone). Meanwhile, the profile of the game at home is increasing and the market to be tapped significant. I spent several months in Hong Kong working in both 1988 and again in 1990 and it was clear then that the mainland needed a step change and it could get leverage over so much - since then that has happened. Six months working out of Beijing in 2005 (until they pretty much forced me out) showed that changes were happening - since then I understand from colleagues who do visit that it has moved on a lot.

In terms of my personal view:

The Chinese are intent on cleaning up their act and want to promote sport within a nation that has only recently fully opened their doors to the outside world. There is a significant shift in wealth to the Far East and in particular China. They will invest and build in their own leagues and they will go to other parts of the world to learn. Chelsea has lost one player to China and has had an approach about a second. Other players from the EPL will follow with at least one Manchester City and at least one Liverpool player having opportunities in China for this season that they did not take up - but in the longer term the Chinese will cherry pick and then look to grow. This then leads to potential movement of players within the consortia (as Udinese has done with Watford) and that is something we will see more of but there are pleanty of walls in the way based on (a) convenience, and (b) potential abuse of national or international FFP rules. They will learn from the mistakes of others and they will soon be looking to add coaching capabilities by recruiting from other leagues. It is progress - like it or not.}

The coming years will see lots of changes. You know about the pan-European breakaway proposals, well there is going to be a counter-proposal backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin which is soon to be tabled (at the end of August to the "elite" clubs and in December to everyone else). There will be more global City Football Group style collectives appearing. There will be growth in China. And so it goes.}

14 Dec 2016 18:14:45
Good work ed.
Thanks for your knowledge ๐Ÿ˜˜.


14 Dec 2016 20:46:14
Cheers Ed002, interesting read. Sounds like we might be seeingg a lot more talented players ending up in China in the next few years - perhaps UEFA could invite some Chinese clubs into the CL so that we still get to see the best players play ;-)


14 Dec 2016 15:33:59
Hi eds the Chinese takeover rumour is doing the rounds on talksport (I know I know) with sources saying a deal could be done before Xmas? Any truth in it do you know?

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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine or read the posts.}

14 Dec 2016 17:18:00
Any truth EDDS in the rumour KARIUS has been dropped.


{Ed002's Note - I don't know what the team to play tonight is going to be but it would hardly be a suprise given the fans have turned on Karius (as they have done on numerous players and managers) and trashed him on social media, sites such as this etc. as is their want. He will be aware of this and it will certainly hit his confidence so I would think there will be every chance that the fans will get their way to have him out and Simon Mignolet back in goal. The fans should be able to sustain the abuse and eventually force him out of the club - perhaps then Alex Manninger will get his chance.}

14 Dec 2016 17:30:53
He can consider himself settled in now he's been trashed ๐Ÿ˜Ž.


14 Dec 2016 17:51:49
I know ed mignolet made a lot of errors the past 3 seasons and people are now celebrate him being back in the team . On Twitter there's people tweeting #blockkurius. We are Liverpool football club and ynwa did stand for something. People are sheeps and follow the media to much.


{Ed001's Note - sad state of affairs, the lunatics are truly running the asylum!}

14 Dec 2016 18:10:14
Absolutely, Ed. Don`t know if he`s been dropped so I guess we`ll find out tonight.


14 Dec 2016 15:49:47
As I've always maintained klopp really rates Gomez if we buy another CB I think they'll be behind Matip and Joe in the pecking order.

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14 Dec 2016 17:53:06
I love Gomez to be giving a go but like karius people we just have a go if he makes a error.


14 Dec 2016 18:43:11
Sadly the majority of football fanbase is poor and not supportive at all, joe has made plenty of mistakes and will make More but every player deserves a chance to show their worth, Manchester United fans booing Fellaini the other day when he was warming up was appalling, I know he can be a liability but that's to far.


14 Dec 2016 13:39:48
Hopefully we can get 3pts tonight, it will be tough and our record at Boro is not great. We need to get our season back on track and win would do wonders going into the Merseyside derby. On another note i see the monthly takeover rumours are doing the rounds.

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14 Dec 2016 14:45:27
Mother in law's a massive boro fan and guess who has managed to snag the father in law's season ticket for tonight because he works away. Win or lose I'm walking home no way I'm getting in the car with her if we get beat she be smug as hell and I don't think she will let me near the car if we win I will happily walk 10 mile for three points tonight especially with Everton taking all three last night. here is to hopingthe other north east side can take three points though!


14 Dec 2016 16:25:35
Ha ha ha. Fantastic Jamsey ๐Ÿ˜‚.


14 Dec 2016 17:28:05
Sweet chin I'm not even lieing this game could ruin Christmas haha someone going to be eating some humble pie just wish the little magician was fit loved to have watched him live.


14 Dec 2016 10:14:39
Hi eds, you mentioned before that you don't think Gueye is good enough on the ball for our system but I must say in the matches I've watched him and in particular against Arsenal he looked very good indeed. He has been a rock in midfield for Everton and allows freedom to the other players.
If he continues his current form I would like to think we would make an audacious swoop at the end of the season perhaps.

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14 Dec 2016 14:26:30
He was outstanding last night in my opinion.


14 Dec 2016 14:40:10
I think Welsh Dave promised me he would sell his house if anyone on the site agree with me over Gueye. There you go mate 2 people likes the player ๐Ÿ˜Ž.


14 Dec 2016 14:47:50
The names keep coming:

Yann M'Villa, Shane Long, Saido Berahino and now Gueye.

Always entertaining on this site ๐Ÿ˜‚.


14 Dec 2016 17:00:41
Gueye is a decent player but not good enough for us. We have too much of the ball we need someone much better on the ball than him in that position. He's much better being with a smaller mid table team, like he is now ;)


14 Dec 2016 18:13:53
Gueye is not good enough for the system we play, which requires a LOT more than just running around and making tackles, all that look good on MOTD highlights. Playing in our system requires a lot more than many people think and he does not fit the bill.


14 Dec 2016 18:31:45
Hamilton
A big LOL on that point. Gueye is a good player and very young who will only improve his game. His tackling and interception at his age is brilliant compared to others. Stop picking Ed's points and try watching the player at least once. I would have Gueye over Wijnaldum any day of the week. lol the reality is we have no players who could tackle. Stop being a Gardiola.


14 Dec 2016 19:03:46
Sigh, no Harry, that's not what I said.


14 Dec 2016 11:24:35
Said this other day and as usual received wholesale abuse from people. Ed025 rates him very high. I have been very much impressed by him.


{Ed025's Note - your right harry, take no notice of the likes of pip and hamilton they are very bitter people who dont have a scooby at times, they think jordan henderson is a footballer mate and were probably calling joe allen the welsh xavi...let me tell you this guy is the business and if you had him he would win you the title hes that good, i just know he would not dowgrade to liverpool though..

14 Dec 2016 03:01:31
I don't care how we do it, we need 3pts tonight, c'mon you reds, we still have plenty to play for, we must not let this season fizzle out, there are plenty of points still to play for, tonight I will take points over performances, especially considering our recent record on teeside.

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14 Dec 2016 06:28:59
+4 good and 3 points will take us to second place. I hope we do it tonight.


14 Dec 2016 06:48:56
I wish Klopp can give Karius a rest today, so that he can recover and re-think about last two game mistake.
Let start Mig today to see what he has learned.


14 Dec 2016 07:16:59
I agree Kenny. A 1-0 win and a good defensive display would be a great result all round. Fingers crossed.


14 Dec 2016 07:35:21
It will be a tough game. We will need to keep our composure.


14 Dec 2016 07:36:52
A win and a clean sheet (only to improve the goal difference), and we'll be right back on track.


14 Dec 2016 08:57:07
Id be happy scraping a 1-0 win with Karius pulling off a string of world class saves to give us the 3 pointss.


14 Dec 2016 14:27:37
Both teams to score tonight.


14 Dec 2016 17:36:26
I fancy us tonight 2-0. I have a sneaky feeling Sunderland will get something from Chelsea tonight they've been riding their luck for a month now.


14 Dec 2016 23:23:53
We have a point to prove. We must win, no if's, but's or maybe's. I have trust in Karius, clean sheet ahead!


14 Dec 2016 23:55:03
That would be excellent indeed Annie, i think we will see a well organised defensive display from Middlesbrough and will try and emulate Bournemouth by targeting karius. I just hope he can settle early and the back line gove him some proper protection. Hopeful of a good win tonight.


 
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