Liverpool Banter Archive July 14 2016

 

Use our rumours form to send us liverpool transfer rumours.

14 Jul 2016 23:36:43
Joe Gomez has injured his Achilles, Echo are reporting that in light of this Liverpool will sign a centre back as Gomez and Sakho are injured. Ilori might not be at the club and will miss the start of the season anyway because of the Olympics.

Shame, depending on who we might bring in it looks like it might be even harder for Gomez to break through under Klopp.

Believable4 Unbelievable4

14 Jul 2016 23:29:52
Poor Joe Gomez looks to have picked up an achilles injury. Ed01 if you're around, or wise reds, do you think we have cover in the youth ranks? With Matip, Lovren, Sakho when fit and Gomez, surely it would be a knee jerk to buy another central defender?

Believable1 Unbelievable0

15 Jul 2016 13:15:22
I don't think we have cover. Not yet anyway. I think best option is some sort of loan deal until January unless we can get a bargain.


15 Jul 2016 13:16:53
My question would be what if matip or lovren got injured. Then we're in trouble.


15 Jul 2016 14:33:39
And what if they don`t? You can`t keep buying players for fun just to cover injuries, especially to replace those who wouldn`t be playing that much anyway. That is not a good strategy as you will end up with a bloated squad, something BR used to do. At some point, you have to go with what you have by preparing the best way you can to handle things. Enuff with the panic/ impulse buys!


15 Jul 2016 14:33:39
And what if they don`t? You can`t keep buying players for fun just to cover injuries, especially to replace those who wouldn`t be playing that much anyway. That is not a good strategy as you will end up with a bloated squad, something BR used to do. At some point, you have to go with what you have by preparing the best way you can to handle things. Enuff with the panic/ impulse buys!


14 Jul 2016 23:14:29
Gomez and Sakho both injured for beginning of the season.

That means Lovren and Matip 1st choice. So guessing with no new signings as I think we have enough cbs that Lucas will cover!

Believable3 Unbelievable0

14 Jul 2016 23:05:55
Awful news coming out that Joe Gomez has suffered a new injury, achilles tendon. Absolutely gutted for the lad and can only wish him a speedy recovery. YNWA Joe!

Believable6 Unbelievable0

14 Jul 2016 22:46:49
Gomez injured, might make Klopp go in for a centre back.

Believable0 Unbelievable1

14 Jul 2016 22:39:42
Sad news regarding the setback for Joe Gomez, Hopefully it isn't too long term!

Any news Tomato?

Believable4 Unbelievable0

14 Jul 2016 22:37:41
Joe Gomez out with an Achilles tendon injury now. Tough luck for the kid. Maybe Square Tomato can give us an update on this.

Believable1 Unbelievable0

14 Jul 2016 21:30:57
Apart from forcing a movr through to city, if skrtel was so comitted, surely he would of put some effort into improving his unbelievably blantant and terrible defensive style during his 8 and a half years here?

Players may give it all on the pitch but training and self improvement is where it counts. Humility is priceless.

Believable4 Unbelievable12

14 Jul 2016 22:22:58
Sorry but I don't see how being disrespectful to players who have given us 8 yrs service helps. Yes he may have been limited but he did a job for us and for that I for one a grateful and wish him well. Slating a player as he leaves says more about the fan than the player in my opinion.


14 Jul 2016 22:44:01
If Skrtel should have been putting some effort into improving his performances, do you not think you should put some effort into improving your written English?
Just saying likes.


{Ed041's Note - shouldn't you be putting more effort into be more polite to people you speak too? Maybe English is not his first language?

14 Jul 2016 23:21:50
What a daft statement Woolback. Surely it was up to the numerous managers to not play him if he wasnt good enough. Obviously 320 plus matches in 8 and a bit seasons say he put effort in. Why didn't any of these managers get rid of him and buy someone else? If you are looking for someone to blame now you know where to look.


14 Jul 2016 23:22:15
I agree poolie. Great servant for the club. I'm not a fan of bashing ex players either, it was never the Liverpool way.


14 Jul 2016 23:36:05
Our coaches coached him and managers picked him and didn't sell him. He was offered new contracts. People with better football brains than most on here made these calls.


14 Jul 2016 23:39:03
@poolie, couldn't agree more. Let's no bash players as they leave, there's really no need at all.


14 Jul 2016 23:57:36
It says more about many fans who slag him off every week but kiss his backside as soon as he leaves.

His 8 and a half years would have been much shorter if he had his way and forced his way out, but we didn't let him (for some reason) .

I don't wish the man any harm, good luck to him, but any player who plays for 8 and a half years and remains so oblivious to the damage and irritation he causes to fans and his colleagues with his constant mistakes cannot be considered a legend in my eyes.


15 Jul 2016 07:04:05
WoolBack it's only natural that fans judge players when they play. I'm not and never have been his biggest fan but that does not mean I don't appreciate the eight years he gave to the red shirt of lfc mate. There's a difference between opinion on a player and disrespect.


15 Jul 2016 07:58:30
Ed041 : Considering some of the replies I've seen from some of you Eds in the last week, effing and blinding at people then I think my post is rather restrained. Also looking at his username, and his second post I strongly suspect that he is in fact English. Take into account that he's slating a player who gave us 100% commitment despite his varying performance levels and I'd say I'm not too far out of line.


{Ed001's Note - he made a couple of typos and you jumped on it like a saddo. For all you know he might have dyslexia. Disagree with his point all you like, but don't have the cheek to bring what we say into it, when you do not have to deal with what we have to each day on here. You are responsible for your own actions.}

15 Jul 2016 08:16:32
His/ her couple of mistakes were simple typos by pressing the letter beside the one he meant 2 press. Anyway we all knew exactly what he was trying 2 say. Btw this is s rumours and banter site, not a forum 4 perfect grammar.


15 Jul 2016 08:45:38
I'm getting a bit sick of reading some of the things on this site. We are not doing ourselves proud lads/ lasses.

If the media spent some time to read this site, I think our label of "greatest fans" may be rethought. We are lucky that this is based on the famous Anfield atmosphere and not some of the whinging and backstabbing that appears from a minority of keyboard warriors about current and former players and infighting with ourselves.

Let's stick together, support the club and look forward to a new season ahead.

This site is amazing for its insights and gauging others points of view, be it supportive or with constructive criticism. We will all have different opinions, it would be a very boring world if so, but let's do it in a respectful manner.

Sorry for the rant (I've turned into one of those warriors) .


15 Jul 2016 19:20:26
Darn. I've got to recheck my schedule. Late for English today as well.

- Krishna.


14 Jul 2016 21:25:11
Good luck to Skrtel and Ibe at their new clubs.

Believable14 Unbelievable0

14 Jul 2016 21:12:22
The problem of English footballers is after one good game the media make them one of the good player replacement. sterling 49m. Carroll 35m. ibe 15m etc. the at least 50 defenders who are better than stones. but stone value over 50m. in euro England playing Rooney in midfield like he is a messiah. alli has a good season but that does mean he needs to play every match benching Henderson or milner where they have good experience. hendo and milner are not as good as alli. but new born midfielder Rooney and inexperienced alli and dier have no combination to win the match. combination is a factor in football. england players are vastly overrated. vardy and sturidge are more team player strikers but Kane and sterling are trying to make there own impression. after failing g in long range short Kane become frustaed but almost 60 min to finish the game. now they have new coach. what a man he is.

Believable6 Unbelievable3

14 Jul 2016 22:08:57
What on earth are you on about?


14 Jul 2016 22:12:53
That's what I was going to say.


14 Jul 2016 22:45:27
Interpreter please.


14 Jul 2016 22:48:39
Smoke weed everyday.


14 Jul 2016 23:08:36
That's an amazing post.


15 Jul 2016 00:10:11
Someone has had a Thursday night pound a pint evening out and must have really took advantage of the fact the beer was only 1 pound lol.


15 Jul 2016 05:29:36
Perhaps google translate.


15 Jul 2016 07:07:17
Perhaps the poster isn't English. You all understood the point of the post so why not give your opinion rather than slag off the poster?


14 Jul 2016 20:39:52
Liverpool had two choices, dele alli, marko gruijic, both similar players. physically and playing style. we went for gruijic, hope he comes good.

Believable5 Unbelievable10

14 Jul 2016 23:40:20
Surely the two are completely unrelated? Transferred in under different management eras at the club.


14 Jul 2016 19:30:18
HI Eds

This is site is worse than crack. So so addictive, when I don't come here I get a itch. Hahahahahahhhaahha. Can the Eds please give us a short transfer round up of what's currently going on in the club.
Thanks much appreciated.

Believable4 Unbelievable1

{Ed001's Note - short? Ok, some players are moving out and some are coming in.....;-)

14 Jul 2016 19:54:15
You've Got it spot on again ed1.


{Ed001's Note - I know, I amaze myself some times.}

14 Jul 2016 20:37:08
Some players are staying too allegedly.


14 Jul 2016 20:58:56
Jordan ibe is pretty short, Rooney pretty round and grujic is up.


14 Jul 2016 23:26:25
There is cream you can get for that itch, before your bird finds out.


14 Jul 2016 18:47:22
Apologies for the "random-name-ness" of this question, but any chance we go for Deandre Yedlin if Clyne leaves? Spurs have at least Walker and Trippier ahead of him. And I know we've looked at him in the past.

Cheers.

Believable2 Unbelievable5

{Ed041's Note - Doesn't that say everything, that those 2 are in front of him?

14 Jul 2016 20:03:11
You want us to go for a player who is third in the pecking order behind two awful players? Still giving my head a wobble on that on, Spartan.


{Ed041's Note - exactly

14 Jul 2016 20:45:19
Yedlin is fast, and that's where the positives end. I'm an American and I like him, but he isn't even close to Liverpool quality.


14 Jul 2016 20:58:36
True but sure players shine in different teams hard to judge you need to look at players in a different approach I mean look who won the league.


{Ed041's Note - hes not an upgrade on Clyne for me. Liverpool should be looking to improving the first 11 not over bloating the squad with more players of equal or less quality.

14 Jul 2016 21:05:32
Good point Ed 41. Thought process is just that he has speed to burn and a lot of potential (imo) . Could be an interesting speedy back up to flanno. Just my 2 cents.


{Ed041's Note - that's fair enough, for me hes just really quick, like Clyne.

14 Jul 2016 22:24:36
This isn't fifa, pace is not everything.


15 Jul 2016 01:21:41
Moreno is really quick. Yedlin could be out rightsided Moreno if pace is all a defender needs.


14 Jul 2016 18:41:19
Best wishes Martin skrtel, I know he has been slated on here and he probably should have been moved on last year but he has been a good player in the past.

If every player we sign gives as much effort, loyalty and commitment as he has fans can't ask for more.

Believable7 Unbelievable1

{Ed041's Note - You lost me when you said Loyalty and commitment. Didn't he try and force through a move to City?

14 Jul 2016 19:21:34
Granted, but I was referring to his time on the pitch, can never accuse him of not giving 100%.


14 Jul 2016 19:29:07
Watch it Ed041, Ed001 and Ed002 tell us off for slating ex players! Lol.


14 Jul 2016 19:36:47
He spent circa 8 seasons here. Well done Martin, thankyou.


14 Jul 2016 19:41:44
When was that Ed? It's not something that rings a bell in my memory. Any more information.


{Ed041's Note - I believe it was around the time City first got there money. Ed01 will be the one to give you more detail though.

14 Jul 2016 20:04:42
It was after they got their money, end of Dalglish's first season back, I believe.


14 Jul 2016 20:06:41
It was in 2012 when BR took over. The link was all over the sports pages then. He used that as leverage to get a better deal from us when we wouldn`t budge. Unlike Skrtel, Agger had Barcelona kissing his feet n all he had to do was say yes and he was off BUT he told them no and stayed here.


14 Jul 2016 20:09:41
He gave his all on the pitch, whether good or bad. Has received unfair comments far too often imo.


14 Jul 2016 21:00:28
In fairness, he did have a habit of scoring against city and Arsenal! Although note players has scored more against Liverpool than skrtel in the past 7 seasons!


14 Jul 2016 21:03:37
Amazes me that people can doubt his commitment.


15 Jul 2016 00:24:16
I don't think people doubt his commitment, but like so many defenders these days, his ability to mark an opponent out of a game in inconsistent at best. Defending is more about positioning and concentration that any physical attributes. Shame because at his best he was very good but the standard of defending in general, especially in England has dropped massivley in recent years.


15 Jul 2016 04:15:04
he was better when he had a carragher type alongside him, when he had to do the organising himself that's when the problems started, however he did play for us for 8 seasons and scored 18 goals for us, I wish him well in turkey and thank him for his time and efforts I have to say though for a guy who looked as scary as he did, physically he was like a pussycat who got bullied by some very average forwards, its obvious that 45mins cameo against our sister club, sealed his fate, goodbye and good luck martin skrtel.


15 Jul 2016 05:25:57
Sister Club. that was a good one! Took me a moment to figure it out . lol.


14 Jul 2016 17:41:31
Eds, why are people obsessed with bringing people in when we have to off load at least 3 before we create a hole, no? With that said, do you think we can ditch Bogan, Benteke, J Allen, Markovic and maybe others before this window or may it take 2 Windows?

Believable2 Unbelievable2

{Ed041's Note - Much would depend on buying clubs matching the valuations Liverpool have set. The prices being reported for Benteke are far to high imo.
So it may take 2 windows.

14 Jul 2016 20:09:24
Personally, I don`t know why we are messing about with this. He doesn`t wanna be here (fighting for his place is code for picking his nose on the bench and getting a nice check every week) . We should not be too greedy nor cocky, IMO. We get 25m to 28m for him, we should sell get his wages off the books and move on.


14 Jul 2016 21:01:27
I agree, if we lose the deal because of 32.5 not 30, won't we lose than it wages by the time we sell him anyway?


{Ed041's Note - if Liverpool sell don't they have to pay up his contract and/or bonuses?

14 Jul 2016 21:43:52
Yep! Don't worry about 2 windows and just show him the door! Rather get 20m for him and Nick Jermaine Defoe for 5m or go all out for Higuain, either option beats a poor mans Heskey.


15 Jul 2016 00:30:37
Defo agree. I'd get rid at 25mil straight away. Potential theoretical loss of 7.5 mil and Think he scored 10 goals last season? 7.5mil for a 10 goal a season striker isn't bad in today's market so just take the hit say thanks but didn't work out and move on. Shame really, if he just worked a little harder on his movement and ran the flanks he could so easily be our Drogba. Sigh.


15 Jul 2016 04:22:29
If crystal palace want him then they know what the price is, just like we know what the price is for chilwell and zilenski, let's not be two faced about things just because we want a player gone, I personally still think west ham will get involved before the window closes, its in the players best interests to leave the club as he knows he has no future under klopp.


14 Jul 2016 17:32:46
Thanks for the memories Martin Skrtel and best of luck.

Believable7 Unbelievable0

14 Jul 2016 17:14:58
Martin Skrtel, you've made 320 appearances for Liverpool in 8 and a half years. You may not have been the best defender I've seen in a Liverpool shirt but you were never anything less than 100% committed and for that you have my respect. Furthermore the memory of your 10 minute double against Arsenal will always bring me joy. I wish you all the best at your new club.

Believable9 Unbelievable0

{Ed041's Note - Committed? Didn't he try and force through a move to City?

14 Jul 2016 19:25:30
Ed41 you are spot on mate, people was blinded because his positional play was so poor that he would always dive in and make silly tackles and try and look a hero. His best period in my eyes was until he got injured away at City, i think it was knee ligaments.


14 Jul 2016 20:12:08
There is an article on the This Is Anfield site that assesses Skrtel`s stay here perfectly. Good read, IMO.


14 Jul 2016 15:46:26
Sincerely hope we do not buy another midfielder when allen leaves, would much rather see the likes of brannagan and grujic get a go. Do think we should keep lucas if possible, having someone who can cover both centre back and midfield if neccasary and provide that experience is invaluable.

Believable9 Unbelievable1

14 Jul 2016 16:32:09
Is Allen leaving?


14 Jul 2016 17:35:09
I've said this for a while, with no Europe, hendo can and grujic First choice, Lucas covering both cm and cb, with the youngsters coming in if needed.


15 Jul 2016 04:29:40
Kopdogs I think allen will be leaving Liverpool in the coming weeks, his profile has risen well for him during the euros, I simply cannot see where he would get a game, especially as klopp promised grujic regular playing time in order to get him his permit.


14 Jul 2016 15:38:09
Conte vs klopp is what I most looking forward to next season. There the last two people you want opposite each other. Massive passion the pair of them.

Klopp, mourinjo, guad, Conte. The premier league is back baby.

Believable7 Unbelievable5

15 Jul 2016 04:37:10
there is going to be so many egos and personality's in the premier league next season, its going to be exciting, there will be more action in the dug out than on the pitch! also what with all the investment being made by the so called big teams, there will be disappointment as there are 8 teams chasing 4 places, looking forward to seeing how conte and koeman get on this year and also of course pep at man city.


14 Jul 2016 15:31:46
ED002 I have a question, if you wouldn't mind, and it is something I have been deliberating on for a while.

It also took me a lil while to word this question appropriately, so forgive me if it seems like an odd, odd question.

I have one question. and that question is. When is Timo Baumgartl's Medical?

:P :P :P :P.

Believable3 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - He has no need for a medical, he has perfect teeth.}

14 Jul 2016 15:41:32
Oh, I see. So Klopp's new defensive plan is to blind the opposition by allowing Timo to reveal his teeth every time our opponents come close to our goal. Hmm, interesting. A new, innovative and, some might say, bold approach to defensive strategy. I would say our defensive frailties have finally been sorted.

:D :D :D.


14 Jul 2016 15:09:22
Grujic could be really special. Very tall 6,3, strong, technically very good and only 19/ 20. Also read Edd002 saying he was promised to be played regularly by klopp because of his work permit. excited to see how he progresses this season.

Believable10 Unbelievable0

15 Jul 2016 04:42:56
I never realised how tall he is, what I like about him is how calm he is when a goalscoring chance presents itself, we could do with a goalscoring midfielder, I liked what I saw and yes it was only Fleetwood but you have to start somewhere.


14 Jul 2016 14:44:30
Sounds like were struggling to sell Benteke on eds because of the fee we are demanding. Do you still expect him to leave?

Believable0 Unbelievable1

{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed.}

14 Jul 2016 14:37:19
guys markos performance was great and all. but aspas also had played very well in preseasonšŸ˜…i would love it if this guy is a hit but still. guess should wait till the end of the season to see that.

Believable5 Unbelievable2

14 Jul 2016 15:43:51
Aspas-Grujic no brainer
Rodgers-Klopp no brainer.


14 Jul 2016 19:00:40
Tbf marko looked good when he played for fenerbarche. Well the times I got to see him anyway. I'd really give marko a shot, but if he demands regular first team football then maybe it's best to recoup what we can from him. There are 3 forward positions behind the striker in a 4-2-3-1 and ideally you would want 6 options for those positions. We have firmino, coutinho and mane as the starters. Lallana and Milner would be utilised in one way shape or form unless one is moved on which I can't see at the moment. And then there's ojo and markovic. So one of them will most likely have to go out on loan or move on (in marko case) . Personally I'd want ojo to go out on loan to a PL club and get more regular game time whilst giving marko a shot with us next season. If it can't work out like that then just get a decent fee for marko.

Comparing marko to aspas is pointless because you can use these stupid examples a hundred times, like saying we can win the league because Leicester did.


15 Jul 2016 04:50:46
I think he was referring to marko grujic kman92 not lazar markovic, who I still expect to be sold btw, if ibe cannot escape klopps ruthlessness than markovic has got no chance, not with mane being signed and ojo's emergence. We will have to take a loss on this one but that what happens when you blindly spend Ā£20m even though we were warned against it.


14 Jul 2016 13:16:43
For a bit of banter fodder, wondering about the tone of how LFC supporters feel the summer is going. ESPN FC's David Usher had this to say:

"LIVERPOOL: "Underwhelming" best describes Liverpool's summer so far. Sadio Mane has arrived for big money but his circa Ā£32m arrival will be offset by the sale of Benteke. That looks to be a significant upgrade at least, but Liverpool still have glaring needs in midfield and at left-back. The emphasis seems to be on signing young players for Jurgen Klopp to develop as he did at Borussia Dortmund, so how successful this window is will only become clear in a year or two.
Rating: 5/ 10 -- Dave Usher"

I was a bit surprised with the pessimism. I think Mane is a significant improvement on Benteke in terms of the manner in which Klopp wishes to play, Matip went unmentioned but seems a clear upgrade, Karius provides at least depth if not obvious improvement in a key position, and Grujic appears a talent for the future who was allegedly impressive yesterday evening, albeit against Fleetwood Town.

Overall, the summation of 'Mane for Benteke, it's a wash, not much else' doesn't appear to hold water in my eyes, and while there hasn't been a "marquee" signing for which supporters (of all clubs) often clamour, there has been some shaping of the squad. Besides, "marquee" signings so very often fail to live up to expectations anyhow, and are hardly a guarantee of success.

The "glaring needs in midfield" suggestion of Usher I am of two minds about. I do rate both Henderson and Can, am curious about Grujic, and believe Allen and Lucas, while limited in their own ways, are both capable of making contributions.

That said, is it Gerrard/ Mascherano/ Alonso? Certainly not. But it's not dysfunctional (unless Milner is playing there) . There's room for improvement though I'm not certain parachuting a single player in will solve that.

Curious to hear everyone's thoughts.

Believable8 Unbelievable4

14 Jul 2016 13:23:40
He must support Everton.


14 Jul 2016 13:24:33
Just his opinion and nothing more.


14 Jul 2016 13:44:16
I wouldn't ever dismiss neutral points of view, every fan is biased towards their club and sometimes an outside perspective is more balanced.

Having said that, assuming we bring in a left back, Klopp would have addressed our squad's weaknesses so I see it as a positive, if unspectacular, window. I'd give it a solid 7 out of 10.


14 Jul 2016 13:47:16
Marquee signings are pathetic attempts to appease fans.

Look at United the other season.

Di Maria for Ā£60m, Shaw for Ā£30m, Rojo for Ā£25m, Schneiderlin for Ā£25m. That is just a handful of the signings they made that summer, and it has thus far proven to be Ā£140m wasted. Shaw may yet come good, but it's been 2 seasons now and they have nothing to show for a Ā£30m investment. As Flanagan has found out, young players struggle to come back from extended periods out of the game. You miss critical development stages.

Then you have our marquee signings, which despite being littered across multiple summers, are still a poor showing.

Benteke at Ā£32m, Carroll at Ā£35m, Downing at Ā£20m, Markovic at Ā£20m. All of these players have spectacularly failed and only Markovic has a (ridiculously slim) chance of coming good.

A lot of money does not equate to a lot of quality. Why is this summer underwhelming? It's 2 weeks into the window and we have signed 4 players, 2 of which filled a couple of the most glaring gaps in our squad. We primarily lacked a good keeper (Karius), a proper wide man (Mane) and a solid left back. With another month plus of transfer window to go, we are a left back away from a successful summer.

Sod what the reporters say. They are just trying to sell a story and controversy gets people talking.


14 Jul 2016 13:52:24
I think we're on the same page there, MK - I certainly wasn't advocating "marquee signings, " but implying those are the things that lead to these sorts of articles declaring things a genuine success. I've heard/ read a lot of United fans/ articles gushing about Ibrahimovic, but frankly, I think his odds of living up to such hype are minimal.

I agree, the left back is a genuine soft spot and has as yet been unresolved, but it's pretty clear LFC are looking to address it.

Overall, a bit of trimming of the squad and I'm actually quite content. I think bringing in too many now would be more disruptive than constructive.


14 Jul 2016 14:02:51
I think it is a fair rating.

Looks like they are comparing our signings to other clubs where they are buying not potential but proven players.

All signings both potential and prove are subject to risk as it can go anyway.

From that angle it is par for the course.

The problem area as you all know for us are
1. Midfield 2. Left back, Keeper, 3. Defending

We fans are hyping up Can a lot and he still needs to prove a lot.
Henderson not being 100% fit is also an issue.
Lallana and Milner are both grafters and lack guile, creativity.
Coutinho and for some extent Firminio have the class but go often missing or don't play together well.

We have one proven striker - Sturridge who's not 100% fit 80% of the time. Again Origi is potential and Ings has to prove himself.

Considering all these points we will have to play exceedingly well to get back into top 4 or others above us should play dross for us to have any chance to make it.

But we will be in the vicinity of 4 to 8th place and this season will go as another period of transition.

Cheers.


14 Jul 2016 14:15:48
a) he's ignored Matip and Karius, two of best rated in Bundesleague, and presumably just because we didn't pay a fortune for them
b) he's assuming we don't get a decent LB in before the window closes
c) his assumption about our midfield is up for debate but I'm personally comfortable with Hendo and Can as first team picks, with Lucas, Grujic, Stewart and Brannagan backing them up

Given Klopp has fixed three major problems in GK, CB, Wide forward with top class players, has Grujic in at CM which may well be our wildcard, and will probably fix LB before end of he window, and probably have achieved this while making a profit (in stark contrast to previous years) then I'd call this one of our most strategic and sensible windows ever.


14 Jul 2016 14:29:09
All players play to a potential . They Potentially play well or badly, Just because a players has a few years on him and has played well, and is well known on the world stage, doesn't mean he is going to carry on that same form in a new club he has moved to. Slating our new signing just because they are young is a laugh to anyone who suggests so.

Lets point to Delle Alli who had a great season but i'm guessing some of our fans would of had a go if we had taken him because he only had potential, we all know how that worked out for spurs. Grujic as an example has the same potential to play as well as any new signing for any club and vise versa.


14 Jul 2016 15:09:02
Origi for benteke.

Mane for ibe.

Grujic for allen

Matip for skrtle

Karius for mignolet

Regardless of how good they all become, they for us are all upgrades as simple as rhat.

They all together add 10 points to us next season.

Mane won the game against us 3-2 so there's 3 points. Mig cost u atleast 5 points, certain karius will fix that.

And then just havint a but more overall quality will easily add 2 points.

Is that not top 4?


14 Jul 2016 15:11:15
Its awful when the first two weeks of the transfer season are underwhelming.


14 Jul 2016 15:45:16
Samikewell, I have to disagree on the midfield.

We have Hendo, Can, Lucas, Stewart, Brannagan, Chirivella + Milner and now Grujic who can play there if necessary. Not to mention Allen is yet to leave. If Klopp sticks to his 4-2-3-1 then we are more than solid enough there. If he wants to implement a 3 man midfield and we were to lose Allen, Lucas and Milner then fair enough. An addition may be required. Even then, I'd be happy with Can, Hendo and Grujic backed up by Lucas, Brannagan and Stewart.

We only have about 40-45 games this coming season. No need for a massive squad. If we lose anyone to injury, then someone else gets the chance :)


14 Jul 2016 15:51:33
At the present time I would agree with that assessment. Mane wasn't a necessity but is an upgrade. Having watched the Bundesliga a lot I'm far from convinced Matip will fill the big holes in our defence. LB is still a big issue needing to be fixed. Karius has shown huge promise in Germany so could well be the bargain of the century. We have still done nothing to solve the big gaping holes in midfield. Grujic although has been playing deeper for Red Star is far from defensively minded. Until LB and DM is solved it will be an underwhelming winow. It is early days though so I reserve proper judgement until the start of the season. A lot of incoming for us could be based lot on outgoings and looking at the size of the squad, so it should be.


14 Jul 2016 15:57:23
Plus, none should be saying Karius will 'put a stop to that' in regards to costing the team points. The lad is young and untried in the PL. let's just ease the pressure off of him a bit before he has one bad game and everyone wants to crucify him.


14 Jul 2016 16:02:51
I sincerely hope that we do get underestimated by everyone in the media, if no one expects us to do much this year it will mean less pressure. No one was talking up Spurs and Leicester last year, and indeed the year we went close, most of these pundits end up eating their words by the end of the year.


14 Jul 2016 17:03:43
MK, purely because Ron hasn't chimed in yet, we have exactly 50 fixtures next season.

Now, how do I do a sunglasses emoji.


14 Jul 2016 17:20:20
If the idea is that we have underwhelmed in the TW because we are not paying 100m for Pogba, 65m for Di Maria and the like then, many will remain disappointed under Klopp`s reign because that is not his thing. Grujic is young and talented while Allen won`t get any better than he already is hence, upgrade. Karius is a very promising GK and is second rated behind Neuer in the Bundesliga, a league where ten GK`s can be England`s no. 1, potentially hence an upgrade on Mingo. Matip is a much better player than people give him credit for. he`s big, strong, can pass, can play DM and is lethal on set pieces as a former CF. Upgrade on Skrtel and Toure. Mane is exactly what we need on the flanks so those saying he won`t be that good should wait and see. Moral of the story? Bar LB which Chilwell will fill, we are making strategic signings to address the issues we have that BR refused to address for three years here so I suggest people just tune out what others say and focus on our team like I do because I don`t care what other teams do or who they sign because Leiceister City didn`t care neither and look where they are.


14 Jul 2016 18:32:16
Point is he is speculating just like we are, truth is no one knows how they will work out until we start playing competitive games.

I bet he would have said the same thing about Leicester last season and look how that turned out. Its not about individual signings but the sum of the parts.

I HOPE our new signings gel and i am OPTIMISTIC that we have made the correct signings to make us a stronger and better team. that's all you can really ask for.


14 Jul 2016 20:23:39
He's a doubter.
We don't need doubters, we need believers šŸ˜Ž.


14 Jul 2016 19:30:29
We are not done in the transfer window yet. I expect at least 2 more incomings.


14 Jul 2016 19:49:21
Dude, I stopped reading Dave Usher's articles because the guy is a moron who knows nothing about football. When the colour is black he will call it white.


14 Jul 2016 12:13:14
Confirmed on the LFC wesbite: Liverpool goalkeeper Loris Karius will not be joining the Germany squad for the Olympics.

He will now be available for Liverpool's opening two Premier League matches against Arsenal and Burnley.

Good news for the club if you ask me!

Bring on the new season!

Believable12 Unbelievable1

14 Jul 2016 12:24:09
Its now being reported Mignolet has just been injured after apparently punching a wall after hearing the news.


14 Jul 2016 12:55:50
he would have missed the wall.


14 Jul 2016 13:07:00
Word is Mignolet is still, desperately, trying to hit that wall 42 minutes later with zero success.


14 Jul 2016 13:14:42
Perhaps we could set him up with Ronaldo to do some lessons. He is brilliant at hitting the wall!


14 Jul 2016 13:25:29
Karius was brought in to take his place. I don`t know why this is such a surprise.


14 Jul 2016 12:10:25
Just been reading klopp wants to spend 55 mil on draxler. I can't see it happening with the attacking options we have but if it does happen what are people's thoughts on this?

Believable0 Unbelievable14

14 Jul 2016 12:33:39
Was that jackanory? ! No chance.


14 Jul 2016 13:24:47
Zero chance, not even if coutinho were to leave.


14 Jul 2016 13:26:07
Then he should never have bought Mane if that was his intention, which IMO, it is not.


14 Jul 2016 16:00:12
It would be a joke to spend that and sign him unless couts or Bobby were to leave. Who exactly would we drop out of couts, Bobby and mane? Add to that its 1 game a week this season.


14 Jul 2016 16:00:12
It would be a joke to spend that and sign him unless couts or Bobby were to leave. Who exactly would we drop out of couts, Bobby and mane? Add to that its 1 game a week this season.


15 Jul 2016 04:58:42
isn't it obvious we have unlimited funds being bankrolled by secret Chinese and arabs partners who have joined forces with the fsg to create a supergroup of owners and investors, so yes we will be signing draxler, moura, higuain, hector and anyone else who takes our fancy, price tags and wages no problem whatsoever, ffp not a consideration or concern.


14 Jul 2016 11:54:41
the Brazilian Phil not in the team yesterday therefore he is either in talks with Barcelona or in talks with the English FA over the vacant position.

Believable2 Unbelievable8

14 Jul 2016 12:53:32
Or he's only been training 3 days before then.


14 Jul 2016 13:36:02
Or just getting up to speed with the rest of the team?


14 Jul 2016 14:42:42
Or he's just winding you up.


14 Jul 2016 14:57:41
Nice try wee Joe, but you're not getting a shot at the left wing ;)


14 Jul 2016 09:23:00
Reports from Germany that Hector has his heart set on a move to the premier league and that a fee of 19 million euros could be enough to get him. After Barcelona signed Lucas digne I can see us getting the deal done with the ibe money.

Believable1 Unbelievable3

{Ed002's Note - The fee you suggest is miles out from the asking price.}

14 Jul 2016 09:50:34
I think the asking price is Ā£25mil, if they hold out for that he won't be going anywhere in my opinion.


{Ed002's Note - The don't set the asking price in Ā£ of course but you are right - it is a lot.}

14 Jul 2016 09:55:02
I can't see a deal happening to be fair. Hope it does, if it does I think it'll be a late one. We just need to sit back and see what happens.


14 Jul 2016 10:07:15
What's your thoughts on him eds.


{Ed002's Note - I don't have any thoughts about young men.}

14 Jul 2016 10:14:16
Il try that again eds ha do you think he's a good player.


{Ed002's Note - Hector is a decent player who has shown he can play going forward when three centre backs are played. DEfensively in a more traditional system he is well thought of. But not young and the asking price is very high.}

14 Jul 2016 10:21:46
Thanks eds so in that case do you think chiswell would Be a better option.


{Ed002's Note - Going forward yes. Hector at half the asking price or less is a fix for now.}

14 Jul 2016 10:25:08
I have a vague memory of a quote from a high ranking official of the club, suggesting that he was valued at ā‚¬30m.

Seems a tad much.


14 Jul 2016 11:01:01
In my opinion cost is irrelevant. If the deal suits us and he is a player which solves a problem for us and I think we all agree LB is a huge problem at present. Ā£25m could be a bargain in that case. Most were saying the price for Mane is irrelevant so you cannot then say the price for Hector is too high. Hector could solve a huge problem for us Mane wasn't really needed so I'd rather splash the money on problem sloving in my opinion.


14 Jul 2016 12:24:38
Good thing your not the club accountant np, unfortunately cost is relevant in everything we do on this planet. The club have to be fiscally responsible despite the misguided opinion that there is a bottomless pit of money or we are somehow exempt from ffp rules.


14 Jul 2016 13:18:57
Would there be a chance we'd sign both.


{Ed002's Note - Don't try and complicate matters.}

14 Jul 2016 15:57:24
John Barnez If the club were being fiscal why blow Ā£34m on Mane which hasn't solved any issues. Being fiscal would mean solving the club's issues firstly then adding bonus players like Mane.


14 Jul 2016 08:44:47
Eds just wondering. If we played 2 in CM who would you be choosing? We have quite a lot of quality for the position. It's hard to choose? Quite exciting isn't it. Especially after seeing grujic in action, he's a beast, as is can. Not to mention hendo who I think will have a great season.

Believable3 Unbelievable0

{Ed001's Note - Hendo and Can right now.}

14 Jul 2016 08:51:14
Yeah i have to agree with that.


14 Jul 2016 08:57:45
Hopefully Hendo will benefit from not playing too much at Euro 2016. He's at that age now where he should be coming to his peak - fingers crossed!


14 Jul 2016 09:25:38
I think he will. He had a hard time with injuries last season. I think this season the lad will shine and it'll be his best yet.


14 Jul 2016 11:03:50
I think our midfield pairings come the start of the season may surprise some fans and some may not be happy. I don't think there will be a set midfield. I have a feeling we will play several set ups and the midfield will change according to who we are playing.


14 Jul 2016 13:11:06
I think Can and Henderson will be the staple and Can and Brannagan may get a fair few games together too (assuming we don't sign another central midfielder)


14 Jul 2016 15:10:29
I reckon Can and Hendo will start the vast majority of games with Lucas/ Stewart backing them up for more defensive options and Grujic/ Brannagan for more box to box options.

I think we also may well see Hendo/ Can/ Grujic a few times in a 4-3-3 assuming Allen moves on as planned.

I sincerely hope Milner is resigned to playing wide forward as backup to Mane.


14 Jul 2016 08:01:37
Morning eds and reds
I notice we have 9 pre season fixtures compared to the average 4/ 5 that most others in the league have do you think it's to gain advantage by time the season starts or do you think it's down to the owners wanting us to play games in America Aswell as here
Interested to hear your thoughts keep up the good work eds šŸ‘Much appreciated.

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - Managers are usually consulted over preseason nowadays. Some are driven by sponsorship typically.}

14 Jul 2016 08:30:35
Klopp has always played a higher number of preseason games to work on fitness/ training for the start of the season, hence the number of local friendlies we've added in before the tour.


14 Jul 2016 08:39:30
Good to see, gets us ready for the season!

Plus I'm really liking the fact that the youngsters are been given a chance to prove their selves.


14 Jul 2016 10:09:56
Think it is a good thing. Looking at our first fixtures, we need to start the season at full speed. And there has been issues with our early form in the league since Rafas days.


14 Jul 2016 15:59:39
We played quite a few last season too.


14 Jul 2016 06:09:28
Hey Eds could you give me some info on Alexander Arnold and what is your opinion of him as a player.

I like him in the 2 friendlies.

Believable1 Unbelievable0

{Ed001's Note - I have only seen highlight footage of him, so I couldn't give any genuine impression of him. Friendlies and clips are no way to judge a player.}

14 Jul 2016 08:24:39
I didn't see him lastnight but he was impressive against Fleetwood.


14 Jul 2016 09:27:05
Lol i mean tranmere.


14 Jul 2016 11:35:28
Highly thought of.

Normally a rb but very vertasille. Klopps played him in cm in these friendlys.

My thoughts are he is planning on letting one of the kids grab a midfield spot, where he wannted zielinski.

I think it will be can, branno, stewart, hendo and grujic.

Lucas and allen will leave and he will have one of ejaria or arnold as back up for any injuries.

Since watching the friendlys we really only need a lb now.

Every other position is bursting with quality, youth ans experience.

Ive got to say i am very excited already.

Firmino imo will hit 20/ 25 goals this year.

Mane qill be worth 60/ 70 come the end.

Grujic will have to wait until about october bwfore he takes the mid spot for himself and trust me if ali is mesnt to become a top top player then where laughing with grujic.

Team at the start of the season will be.

Karius
Clyne matip lovren chillwell
Hendo can
Mane firmino coutinho
Origi

Migs sakho flanno stewart grujic lallana sturridge

Reserve milner branno ejaria smith ings ojo.


14 Jul 2016 19:24:04
But. I think inns willl be higher in the pecking order. I hope so anyway.


13 Jul 2016 23:50:59
Good evening Eds,

Likely not Liverpool related, but just wondering if there's any transfer news regarding Lucas Biglia?

Due to him being the standout midfielder at Copa America.

Cheers,
GM.

Believable0 Unbelievable2

{Ed001's Note - better to ask this on the Euro Soccer page mate.}

 
Change Consent