Liverpool Banter Archive June 14 2013

14 Jun 2013 22:59:11
Luis Alberto's agent claimed:"Reports about Liverpool's interest are true, they are very interested. ""The important thing is that there is willingness on the part of Liverpool and Sevilla to understand. ""If there is a good deal, we will reach an agreement. Sevilla is aware of the intentions of Liverpool"

14 Jun 2013 22:26:38
Hi Eds,
Southampton have signed Dejan Lovren for £8.5 million. Weren't we interested in him & if the price was so reasonable why didn't we bid? Surely we are a better option than Soton.

Personally I feel they've got a good player at a reasonable price & we've missed out on a great talent. Any defender that may be close to signing for us? All I've heard about is Aspas who's a striker & we really need to shore up the defense. {Ed030's Note - We cant sign every player we are linked with mate. }

Why why why whenever anyone signs a player does someone come on here with the old - 'why didn't we go in for them?'

Southampton are becoming a serious rival, they have been producing good talent for a few years now ( Bale, Oxelande-Chamberlain and Walcot) and now their spending, Ramirez and Loveren. Their owner seems to have big plans.
RNred

Their chairman wants them in europe within a couple of years, They keep signing these players and produce more gems like above says I don't think it will be much of a surprrise if they achieve it

Hes quite simple not good rnough and is considered a flop by peopl in his home country. Ramirez was never a true target and we can see why he's simply not good enough either

Just like us then!

I feel Kyriakos Papadopoulos will be the real deal so I hope we get him at any cost.

Red PG

So, you had no interest in Lovren, Forren or Ramirez who were obviously all rubbish players! LOL

What is it with you guys that you are fixated on what other clubs are up to? As soon as Saints were reported to be talking to Roma about Lamela there were a spate of posts concerned Liverpool were not doing the same. Yet, you moan about Spurs after your targets!

You got Coutinho, so suggest you start thinking about the glass being half full, not half empty!

Saint Martin

Saint Martin - you think Southampton will get Lamela? If so you're dellusional

15 Jun 2013 10:56:57
Saint Martin, read this very very slowly maybe your brain will comprehend it!
Liverpool was actually never after Ramirez and never bid for him, it was all just paper talk so if you believe what you read in the papers get your head checked immediately!
Vegar Forren was offered a 5 day trial to see if he is good enough, he was a little b*tch and would rather not take a chance on loosing a move to the PL after southampton offered to take him with no trial he jumped at the chance, all Norwegian players dream of the PL and his Coach the former ManUtd hero Ole Gunnar Solkjaer advised him on going to southampton because he felt forren wasn't ready for the pressure at such a big club like Liverpool and the National team would loose a player because he would never get played at Liverpool! How many games did he get since joining? 0? Thought so! Dodged a bullet, forren is a fantastic header but that's it, I have seen him for Molde 50 times! Just a left footed worse version of Coates.
Dejan Lovren, Well congratulations on securing his signature:) Liverpool dropped their interest in him 2 months ago so again we didn't loose out and didn't even bother to tell his agent to keep us informed!
The only player both clubs bid for and had a choice of joining both chose us! Get off your high horse and know your place! Fighting relegation again next season! Deuces

Malak

So now we have to "know our place" and I "think Southampton will get Lamela"! (No, but I know Southampton have been in discussions with Roma. )

Absolutely pathetic, but if you want to be abusive.

Lovren, Forren, Ramirez V Coutinho

3-1 (and WE will be fighting relegation?)

Sound familiar!

(And if you can't take it, don't give it out. )

Saint Martin

15 Jun 2013 12:25:00
Haha, just what I thought! Your brain couldn't comprehend that we were NOT after any of those players and didn't even bid for any of them!
How many points did you finish above relegation this season? And what makes you think it will be easier next season? Specially when teams don't underestimate you anymore? Mate am sorry, but you are the pathetic deluded one.

Malak

I'd say Coutinho is better than Lovren, Forren and Ramirez combined. But it doesn't matter, small clubs always think they'll do better than they actually do. Southampton has a good team and a good atmosphere but my god if they aren't the most deluded bunch I've ever met. They seem to be of the opinion that players like Lallana, Puncheon, Boruc, Lambert are even close to being good enough to get into Europe.

Enjoy siging Lovren, Liverpool made no equiry and had shown no inclination to even bother with Lovren, simply because he's unreliable as a CB.

14 Jun 2013 22:15:14
Just thought it would be interesting to see what people's thought are on something.

Hyperthetically, Suarez goes and we got 50mill.

Would people rather we spend the bulk of the money on a big money replacement (lets for arguments sake say cavani although I know that's not reality, just an example) and that be it, or bring in 4 or 5 good solid players that might cost around 8-10million each (ie. sturridge, coutinho)

14 Jun 2013 23:04:08
2nd option no doubt for me at least.

Malak

I tend towards the second also however with more players there are potentially more wages e. g. big name on 150p/w vs 5 x 40 = 200p/w. Obviously less risk with more players as well in terms of a major injury or suspension to one, still leaves 4 fit as apposed to star player being out, and we had Aquilani injured who cost 20+ and Luis suspended who cost 20+. The other argument is that a superstar is a superstar and can do things others simply can not e. g. Luis again.

Andy K

Id rather 3 really good players with potential to be great let's say henry mk muriel and papa i'd be ecstatic with them 3
giblet

Its a risk either way. Not ever 10 mil player will be Coutinho and there are plenty of big money flops as well. i'd rather have 1 "big" estasblished young star for 25 mil or so (Lamela is my choice) and then 2 young players with upside. Squad depth is important but on the day its the best 11 that play. We need to strengthen the starting 11 if we want to challenge again.

14 Jun 2013 21:14:12
Hi eds. Great site. Any chance alonso could be part of the player plus cash deal if suarez is Madrid bound? {Ed030's Note - Possibly,Who knows what they will offer of if we will accept it. }

14 Jun 2013 22:33:52
I doubt Rodgers would want Alonso or would want a 30+ year midfielder to come and patner another 30+ year (Gerrard) in our midfield, people forget we just play with 3 midfield that will easily get overrun, our systeam in midfield requires, pace, work rate and a lot of energy, especially in epl a lot of teams play with 5 midfields so they will easily overrun us, neither Gerrard or lucas have pace that's the same reason why hendo is prefered over allen who doesn't have pace but very good technically but hendo adds that pace and energy to put teams back foot and allow our front 3 to attack opposition freely.

15 Jun 2013 00:00:19
Alternately, we can't always play with pace and sometimes need to play hard ball. Teams like stoke, sunderland, west brom and everton play with strength, height and direct passing in a more physical style of play. Those sort of teams out muscled us. We need experienced knowledged slower tempo players like gerrard and alonso to control those teams!

Jimerny cricket

Paul Scholes used to come on and dictate a game for United when couldn't xabi United always had older midfielders with serious depth you just have to trust the manager plays them right games right time so on in Brendan I trust

14 Jun 2013 21:25:36
Nicolas bendtner anyone? Available for 4m not a bad player atall for that price, he's pretty technically gifted might fit our system well.

Oh god

Hahahha. cannotstopLOFL. haha. I'd rather have Bender from futurama!!

Haha
Come on I know it's Friday night and we've all had a drink. sorry mate just having a laff. not for me, was it sunderland or somewhere he went on loan and flopped? Plus I think the price tag is 4m + his ego!

14 Jun 2013 22:51:23
LoL, why? Is he still rated on fifa or Fm?

Malak

14 Jun 2013 21:12:56
I heard today that there may be a chance of us offering Henderson back to Sunderland + 5 million in return for mignolet. Do you think there is any chance?

Funniest post in a while

Henderson and 5 million for a goalie worth 7 million at best. You're having a laugh.

None at all mate if you ask me, 16-20mill 2 yrs ago, massively improved player since. so by my reckoning if Sunderland are wanting 9m for Miglionet. that values hendo at 4mill. doesn't add up.

As I've posted in the past, last I've heard was that Sunderland initially expressed interest in spearing but that has now faded so if it happens I'd anticipate cash only.

IF a player is involved I'd expect it to be more like shelvey than hendo.

14 Jun 2013 22:24:46
Good joke fella! Don't keep them coming!

Malak

14 Jun 2013 21:04:52
Hello Eds

Is there any interest from us in Rodrigo of Benfica - looks like a talented young player who fits FSG's profile?

Spuds seem to have an eye on him- maybe we should hijack their targets for a change {Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath.}

14 Jun 2013 20:56:07
a web site have reported that Liverpool have got a deal in place to sign mickey from shaktar and will be unveiled with aspas in the coming days. 18 million is the price stated hope he's worth every penny if this is true.
CDM

Really hope this is true. See dejan lovern has signed for southampton. Really good player from what I have seen.
YNWA
Jamesy

People still read cught ofside

People are allowed to enjoy fiction.

Andy K

14 Jun 2013 20:32:07
Any interest from Liverpool in signing Lucas Piazon on loan? {Ed030's Note - No. }

14 Jun 2013 20:04:53
Ed. great work.
had a beer burst up with my Gf. aand was just streaming some videos.

Liverpool fc vs arsenal 2008 Cl qf.
drama at KOP end. banners flying. Ryan babel scores and Liverpool 4-2.
the commentator said. ". England most successful football club in Europe. the history, tradition and the class is safe in the hands of rafa Benitez.
The reds just can't get enough of this cup which they won 5 times. Semifnal the reds are coming.

what a team we had. alonso, mascherano. auerlio, torres. gerrard. sami, arbeloa.

We need those nights. Anfield comes into light CL nights.

Thanks for reading.

Jaysus Harry

You forget the best player in that team

Stevie Gerrard

14 Jun 2013 20:31:58
Ok

Was there that night Harry, just one of the memorable European nights at Anfield - In recent times.

Nicky D

Thanks for pointing out the obvious mate.

You included Gerrard just wanted to see how many you had Harry!

14 Jun 2013 21:24:24
I had 4-5. Man. I breaks down when I see those nights. dammmm. torres goal was just the best.
34 gaols in debute seaosn. what a player he was for us.

14 Jun 2013 19:50:47
clubs need all sorts of players to make a balanced team. we can't have all attackers. lucas does the dirty work, and does it well.
the wise one

You are not wise you are deluded. we need a team of carraghers.

patpoon

14 Jun 2013 22:29:29
$odd off Poopant
You're garbage lad

I think I am in love with patpoon.

14 Jun 2013 19:27:51
Hi Eds,

According to some press Sergi Canos was at Melwood in late May to sign a contract. Do you now if this is true?

Many thanks

Bryan {Ed002's Note - I really don't know but he is a child and there are very strict rules governing contracts - and moving.}

Ok thanks Ed. I was just reading about this agency representation mess with Aspas. It seems really messy and may end up with some form of tribunal. Does nothing's positive for LFC's image again and worse still, apparently the same 'rouge' agency also claim to represent Alberto. Could be problems ahead. {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Liverpool - it is a common issue and will get figured out. They are not a "rouge" or any other colour of agency.}

Oops :-)

14 Jun 2013 20:42:02
Thank you for clearing that one up ed:)

Malak

Rogue?

14 Jun 2013 18:50:20
Hi all, is there really an interest for Christian Eriksen? Was that true till Makhtyrian became possible?
Is there a chance of landing them both? {Ed030's Note - There is interest to some degree. }

How about that rumour about an interest in Lucas Moura from Udinese? Suarez's backup plan only? {Ed002's Note - Neither Suarez nor Moura will be moving to Udinese.}

I meant Luis Muriel (Udinese), being a target for LFC. {Ed002's Note - See numerous previous answers.}

14 Jun 2013 18:40:41
Possible signings aside, we have good reason to cherish what we already have ahead of the new season;
Lucas Leiva will start 2013/14 fit and fresh.
Fabio Borini likewise and Martin Kelly, Joe Allen, Raheem Sterling and Samit Yesil will all be back after long lay-offs.
We are talking here about VERY good players!
Yes, we need some tweaking and we NEED to replace Carra and those reported departures. Suarez, Skrtel, Reina, Coates, Downing etc.
However, if making wholesale changes is a daunting prospect I would remind fellow fans that we also have an improving Henderson, an impressive Sturridge, an excellent Coutinho, an experienced Kolo Toure and an established Captain to steady the ship.
Furthermore, Citeh and Chelski will be un-recognizable come next season. Arsenal, United and Spuds will also make changes.
If we get it right we can hit the ground running (we've had crappy starts for far too long now) and, who knows, maybe we can finally rejoin the challengers and make an assault on the League Title?!
Suso, Wisdom, Coady, Ibeh, Texeira, Rossiter, Lussey, Adorjan etc. will be banging on the door and we'll be signing some decent players (according to reports). Let's get fully behind the team, Brendan and the Club as a whole. We'll be more than O. K. and we have a unique opportunity to be watching the re-birth of our great Club!
ANFIELDPETE

Spot on mate, refreshingly positive post on here for a change.

Great post.

Andy K

14 Jun 2013 17:57:32
Eds is this Aspas story true about the transfer being blocked by the Spanish FA? If so, what are the implications, will it jeapordise the entire deal or be considered more a stumbling block? Cheers.

JFT 96

JP {Ed030's Note - I thing it is a stumbling block. }

14 Jun 2013 17:47:17
have we signed sergi canos from barcalona {Ed030's Note - Not yet. }

14 Jun 2013 17:22:26
It is my understanding Liverpool are expecting Luis Suarez and Pepe Reina to leave. For the right price, Liverpool are willing to accept both deals, with Mignolet being the goalkeeping option, and two more strikers which are being kept under wraps! The Mignolet deal is a matter of time as his agent has already intimated he will leave Sunderland, Liverpool have offered only 5m, Sunderland want at least 8m.

14 Jun 2013 09:33:45
Hi Eds, do you have any updates on Daniel Sturridge's injury condition? Certainly hoping that he will be ready for pre-season activities.

Also, any news on a solid defender coming in any time soon?

Thanks. {Ed030's Note - Keep checking the official Lfc site mate. }

14 Jun 2013 16:54:42
@Malak
I posted my opinion the other day on Nani being much much better than Downing (I said a world beater in comparison) and you laughed your ass off and threw some stats comment at me.

You said Downing had more goals and assists than Nani, Valencia and Young combined this season. Downing 5 goals + 8 assists in 3, 495mins. Nani 3 goals + 8 assists in 1, 828mins. Don't care about the other Utd wingers as I was never commenting on them.

Nani would have played more mins with us so your stats argument is a load of wallop.

I gave my opinion I wasn't talking stats. If you want to laugh at me because of stats then maybe u should get your stats right first!

14 Jun 2013 17:16:11
nani is way better than downing any day

Don't talk sh*te mate. I'd take Downing over Nani any day, the diving little soft tw*t, and I don't even think downing is good!

The Cobra

Your argument in favour of Nani falls down at the 'would have played more games' theory. His stats would not have improved because he wouldn't have played more games because he wouldn't have been picked, mainly because he's a bit rubbish.

Right here's the biggest stat for you he plays for a certain manchester team that's why he won't be coming christ its not rocket science.

I am not Malak, but Nani would never ever ever be an option at LFC.

Liverpool and Manchester United don't deal, an example is Heinze, who Rafa pursued, and pursued, without any luck.

Besides, he is not that good a player and certainly not an improvement on Downing or Sterling.

The real AG

14 Jun 2013 17:55:44
You are so obviously a Manc merchant it's embaressing!
What a muppet! Downing has more goals and assists than all of the rubbish mentioned combined in the PL! Get it? You are trying to correct me with BS stats! $odd off back to your banter site!
Nani is a waste of space and I would have downing or even ince over him all year!

Malak

Nani would be a decent signing but they d never sell him to us

tom1975

Sean

Whats the Story with Nani?

He hates us

It does not matter what others think trying to prove your right is pointless on here its all opinion and there is no getting thru to some!

For what its worth I think your right Nani would be an asset to the team but he would never join LFC

Let it go and move on

Liam Lynch

As per my post the other day I also said I don't think Nani would be an option, more so due to wages than coming from Utd though as I don't think Nani gives a toss about Utd. anyway my post had been in response to someone calling Nani average at best.

I do think Nani is better than both Downing and Sterling (real AG) but anyway that's my opinion. I was delighted when we originally signed Downing but I'd like to see him gone now I don't think he offers enough of a threat going forward.

14 Jun 2013 19:03:17
I believe Nani could not, and will not, EVER play for Liverpool for the following reasons:
1) He is a Man United player
2) He is not a very good player and most certainly not good enough for our team.
3) He wouldn't get on our bench, so why buy a reject?
4) He is a diver
5) He is a cheat
6) He is a wuss
7) He is not a team player
8) I don't like him
8a) I don't like him twice

Tel 1949

14 Jun 2013 19:43:57
Nani is twice a player compare to downing, anyone who thinks downing is better player then nani then he needs some serious help, that's another matter we are not interested or transfers between Lfc and united will never happen but putting a player down who has contributed more often then not to united`s success is insane!

kopite

14 Jun 2013 20:08:37
Well iam old school and just can't stand stupid posts linking us with manc players! I even can't understand the talk of how good Nani is, he is by all accounts a b*tch, a cheat, probably the most inconsistent overhyped carp since Dede, no wonder united are trying to get rid! He has always been labelled the new Ronaldo and never in any part of any season live up to that hype, he has no team spirit or work rate! And is so selfish he ruined probably the best goal Ronaldo would have scored in his life and his next life! Look it up!
He is on huge wages and just because he does a few step overs or has high stats on fifa doesn't matter to what he brings to the team in reality! Not fantasy Manager mode, at least downing runs his socks off!
Am not saying Downing is better than nani, but it's just gibberish to link us or even talk about any united player!

Malak

Malak

Look at some yellow and take a few deep breaths

He's like Ronaldo's little Mini Me, and after the Tears when Cara misplaced a well timed challenge :) I couldn't look at him in a Liverpool shirt
and sometimes I go to youtube and watch that tackle to cheer myself up.

Sean, opinions are always welcome on this site. But seriously, Nani?

At 18 Sterling is only going to improve. I rather see him bee a squad player than Nani because believe me, if Nani were to play for Liverpool (perhaps in a multiverse he has already?), he would not be ahead of Sterling or Downing in the pecking order.

The real AG

14 Jun 2013 21:15:00
I am just fine! Just please stop talking about united players that is all! If you have to go to their banter page. They do have one!
Now you go look at some Cartoons and don't forget do drink your milk before you go to sleep'

Malak

14 Jun 2013 22:14:23
@The real AG
I do think Nani is currently better than both Downing and Sterling. 100% agree I'd definitely prefer Sterling as a squad player and I wouldn't want any player such as Nani on big wages on the bench. I recently posted saying for CB I'd love if we got Papadopolous and just him, even selling both Skrtel & Coates. Coates was 4th choice last season, didn't play much so 100% would not want someone else signed for 4th choice - what would be the point in having an academy - we have plenty of backup with Kelly, Wisdom & even Sama if needed - signing big money backup definitely don't want that! That's why I'd rather get rid of Downing and keep money for improving RW (like we're linked with the armenian H Mikih. )

@Malak
You've already back-tracked on what you took the piss out of me for so that's grand i'm not going to bother getting into cartoons, milk before bed, etc.

14 Jun 2013 22:14:51
@Malak
I'm happy enough to leave it at that. You misdirected your initial post laughed your ass off at me for saying Nani's much better & now you're admitting you don't think Downing is better than Nani. And I hadn't linked Nani with us, was responding to someone else's post on it, so fair enough I get your point about posts linking Utd players to us.

Don't call me a manc again though, that's just disgusting!

14 Jun 2013 23:16:19
So stop talking about manc players! Specially their overated carp! I wasn't telling you to watch cartoons mate but to an unamed poster!
and I always thought we need an upgrade on downing and read my posts you will know that,
Sorry if I insulted you, it wasn't ment that way!
(But we have a few funny mancs on here HD disney channel, so I thought you were a new one since I haven't read your posts on here before so, my bad)
And nani is not better than downing this season, but downing is no world beater so I hope you get my point.
Have a nice weekend lad!

Malak

15 Jun 2013 10:47:32
@Malak
I gave my opinion based on watching matches rather than stats. You laughed your ass off mentioning stats - go check transfer market's website my stats aren't BS they're this season just gone (as per your post!).

FYI - transfer market values Nani at £24m and Downing at £7.5m so me thinking Nani is a lot better means I'm obviously a manc? get real man.

14 Jun 2013 16:45:29
Aspas deal blocked!

Liverpool's signing of Iago Aspas is being blocked by the Spanish Football Federation in a legal row over the player's representation.

And according to emails, Kop managing director Ian Ayre continued to negotiate with unauthorised agents over the deal even after discovering that he was not dealing with the player's official FIFA-licensed representatives.

Aspas has a representation agreement with Jorge Santome and Carmelo Vicente until 2014, but attempted to force through a move to Anfield by enlisting the help of Barcelona-based agency PromoEsport.

14 Jun 2013 16:40:31
Hi edds, just seen that cavani favours a move to real Madrid. That could possibly scupper a move for Suarez if they decide to go for cavani. So my question is where would be Suarez' other possible destination if he can't get the move to Madrid?

Bayern, juve & city

14 Jun 2013 16:19:58
How are things ed's,

Quick question for ye. With all the recent reports of Cavani wanting to go to Madrid does it seem likely that Perez would buy both Suarez and Cavani as a new strike partnership?
Nothing would surprise me with Madrid but that would be a massive outlay even if players are offered part exchange. Also with talks of Bale would all three be plausible?

Bulmer

I think worst signing would have to be David Speedy or Paul Stewart and the best would be Steve McMahon, absolutely awesome for us and far to early by Souness

14 Jun 2013 16:05:41
Eds has suarez agent met with any lfc people to inform them suarez wants to move and has anything been discussed between them both thanks

Basy {Ed002's Note - I am not aware of what has happened between his representatives and Liverpool.}

14 Jun 2013 15:42:57
Nani to Liverpool for 20 mil {Ed023's Note - Better chance of my Nanny}

I prefer your nan ed

Throw in a curry and you got yerself a deal.

At least his Nan would have hit Carra over the head with her handbag instead of boohooing.
The Juicer

So do I ed.

W. Rooney

Who writes this pish?

14 Jun 2013 14:34:50
not sure if i'm filling right form in but I went to questions page to ask a quick question to Ed001 if he's about when we signed lucas he was an attacking midfielder I think he got 20 goals for gremio the season before who decided to turn him into a defensive mid and what was the reason behind it if he'd done so well as an attacking mid before he arrived cheers
giblet

He was terrible in that role for us, So he had the option to adapt or be sold. And I'm glad he never gave up

14 Jun 2013 14:31:41
Hello Eds word on the street is Rodgers thinks Lucas might still need time to get up to speed with the league and is seriously interested in Alonso! Would 50 million and Alonso be enough for Suarez? Would a midfield of Gerrard Xabi and Mkhitaryan be enough to get us in the top 4? One thing is for sure, these 3 are miles ahead of Lucas Allen & Hendo! Cheers PDLFC

Mkhitaryan has never even kicked a ball in the premiership, Gerrard and Xabi are nearly 10 years older than Hendo and Allen, and Lucas is a great player who is perfectly suited to BR's style of play.
In all honesty I should have stopped when you said 50m and Alonso.
But heres a thought, even if we brought more 30 year olds in, and we do qualify this season to play in it the year after, after bringing down the wage bill are you happy to pay the big wages that long without that extra income.
And I am a massive Alonso fan, but the deal would have to be great for us. And try surpporting all our players, the young ones need it.

14 Jun 2013 14:15:31
Hi eds, with Suarez only stating his interest in a move to Madrid, does that mean he could end up staying if Madrid choose to sign Cavani? {Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

Ed002 I think the next time will be RTFPUC. I feel for you

How about big AI T you are a FLAC.

Can somebody enlighten me as to what RTFP means. {Ed030's Note - Read the posts. }

Im sick of reading Ed002 write RTFP. come on Ed change the record (only joking)

So what's the "f" for then ed?

What the FSG do you think

"f" is for "former'? ;)

Andy K

14 Jun 2013 13:22:12
If were looking at competition and a long term replacement for reina, is the young keeper Mattia Perin a realistic target Ed? or to expensive. {Ed002's Note - There has been no interest that I know of.}

14 Jun 2013 13:12:11
Just a thought, if we sell Carroll for £15m and Suarez for say £43m that means we break even on the 2 players from when we signed them jan 2011. (£35m and £23m) :-)

Ajay

And now loads will try to point out that if we buy Torres back for £15m we will have made a huge profit.

The profit would be having torres.

I hope we get more for Suarez.

Red PG

14 Jun 2013 13:01:46
Hi Ed's what are the chances of a higuain plus cash offer for Suarez? I personally rate him equal to or higher than Suarez for the following reasons: 1. They've scored a similar number of goals but higuains have been in a tougher league (than the Dutch league if you're looking at career stats) and many off the bench for Madrid indicating he could have scored more 2. Higuain is taller and appears to be faster than Suarez 3. Higuain is less selfish and makes better decisions 4. He's stuck at Madrid which is often more about individual players than a whole team. I personally think he could be one of the top players in the works if we could snag him. What are your thoughts on higuain vs Suarez and do we have even the slimmest chance? Thanks!

Better being stuck at Madrid than at Liverpool is the way I think Higuain will look at it.

Alvaro Morata is looking to get out if Real sign another striker and wants to play outside Spain.
Think he would be a better bet (long term) than Higuain and would probably come to us

14 Jun 2013 15:03:14
Higuain all the way mate. He is the mutts nuts! He would be an awesome transfer for us and am sure we would all forget about Suarez.

Never really paid that much attention to Higuain in all honesty and not really sure he's the right player, but I was surprised to find he's only 25? seems to have been around for ever.

14 Jun 2013 12:43:06
Higuain + cash would be fine with me. What do you all think?

HK

For Borini?

Madrid won't be getting our Jay Spearing THAT cheap, pal

It depends how much cash. Higuain is a good player and it would be great if he played for us but RM would need to give us £30mil plus the player IMO. In the pursuit of first team football, I actually reckon he would come to us as well.

Crowman.

Loved the second comment
derryred

14 Jun 2013 12:33:08
Hi eds, got a couple of questions for you guys. Obviously Suarez is on his way out as you don't keep unhappy players, so of the teams interested in him which players do you think could be offered in part exchange and and which one's do you think would bring something to the team? Then the important do you think they would come?

Thanks eds
Carlos {Ed002's Note - It would simply be speculation for me to answer this.}

Would you mind speculating which players you think are most likely? [FR] {Ed002's Note - No.}

14 Jun 2013 12:14:43
Just for a Laugh hears what I think could happen.

Ronaldo = Monaco or PSG
Bale = Real Madrid
Suarez = Real Madrid
Higuain = Liverpool (part of Suarez deal plus £15M)
Cavani = Real Madrid
Rooney = Chelsea
Lewandowski = Bayern Munich
Mario Gomez = Napoli
Strootman = Napoli
Reina = Barcelona
Mignolet = Liverpool
Thiago Alcantra = Real Madrid
Hulk = Monaco
Carroll = West Ham
Demba Ba = Liverpool
Isco = Man Cty
Mkhitaryan = Liverpool
Jovetic = Arsenal
Torres = Barcelona or A. Madrid
Mandzukic = Spurs
Ince = Liverpool or Stoke
Sinclair = Swansea

14 Jun 2013 13:15:45
I disagree with Demba Ba. I also doubt Mandzukic will be sold, if Gomez, Robben and Ribery all go.

This list is of course only gueswork, so I won't pick it apart like a 'person', as we are all allowed differing opinions, and it is still relaistic, except maybe the Monaco parts.

Monacos forward line would be

-------Falcao Ronaldo
Rodriguez Moutinho Hulk

If that's the case, and you are right, the french league and in a years time, the champions league will be a one horse race. This is why I hate the amount of money in football. The hulk part does not suprise me, but I doubt we would see Ronaldo move their too. I think a season without CL would damage his ego (and sponsorship deals, but mainly his ego) too much. Hopefully he'll land up in Paris for the sake of European football.

Too much FM mate

14 Jun 2013 13:55:51
Ribery just signed a contract extension so I don't think he will be leaving next season.

Malak

I disagree with Ronaldo, Rooney, Strootman, Thiago, Ba and Torres. The rest I think could happen but I can see:

-Ronaldo either returning to United or staying at Real.
-Rooney either staying at United or going abroad.
-Strootman going to United.
-Thiago can't see him going to Barca's biggest rivals.
-Ba either staying at Chelsea or going somewhere in Italy.
-Torres won't be going to Barca anyway! Atletico maybe but something tells me Napoli.

The rest may happen just can't see these few happening. Cheers.
ROI.

I don't play FM or any other video game I posted it as a laugh, be interesting to see how many of those actually come off though to be honest.

Bale staying put

Fair play BigD; he did say it was a laugh initially and it is a 'banter' site?

Some might pull off as well mate; Lewandowski to us though instead?!

, as if!

14 Jun 2013 11:50:52
i don't know if anyone is with me on this but I don't think enrique suits our play. We need fullbacks who can bring in quality crosses when they are in good positions and he isn't just that.

I am in agreement.

As much as he is a solid "Strong as an ox" LB, he is the polar opposite at everything else; He's got a clumsy posture (Or just totally clumsy), loses possession alot, gets "cornered" and loses passing options and also as you say can't cross his legs.

So yea, I agree :)

SR (StrabaneRed)

He had some very good moments with coutinho as left midfielder!
Frenchlfc

14 Jun 2013 13:24:34
I disagree completely. I think his style, suits ours to a tee. You can see with some of his goals last season just how well he suits us. His link up play, and physical abilities make him an excellent wing back. He needs to learn when to release the ball though. I suspect Rodgers is in the process of drilling it out of him as he semed to have cut it out somewhat after his turn in our six yard box against Zenit. Miracle Hulk didn't tackle him! He did have a habit of running into people, then trying to turn and shield the ball. He is only 26 though, and has at least 6 years at the top of his game. I think he'll improve next season, but he does need a youngster who will compete with him, as Robinsons hopes seem to fade each season. At 19 he isn't even in the same league as say, Luke Shaw or Jetro Willems who are both only 18. Robinson must impress on loan next season wherever he goes (or whenever we give him a chance should he stay) or I think he will be sold in the summer of 2014. Flanagan will probably go this summer, unless Rodgers sees him as a Mascherano type midfielder to cover Lucas. Even then, Coady is better. I just don't think he is good enough with the ball to play in Rodgers team.

14 Jun 2013 14:01:07
Enrique's worst displays this season was when he just returned from injury but otherwise he was very solid, he scored and assisted some goals and when he was used as a winger earlier in the season he had 3 man of the match displays, so he is versatile and offers a lot to the team, we don't have a big forward either so I don't see the point in pumping crosses into the box for the sake of it. My opinion at least:)

Malak

Enrique is a very solid left-back. Anybody notice now that if a ball is going out of play and Enrique is there, opposition players don't even bother? He may be a bit clumsy at times but he is one like Henderson and Downing who have improved a lot under BR. I think we need another good left-back like Alex Sandro or Lucas Digne to help keep him on his toes. I don't think we should sell him though, because even if he is not first choice left-back he would still be solid back-up. Cheers.
ROI.

I hate how he dwells on the ball and he does generally make awful runs when going forward, both on and off the ball. Still he is solid defensively but if and when Sterling and Ibe finally become regulars in the team then Enrique will likely have to adapt.
derryred

*as Ed001 pointed out.
derryred

Until we get CL, which is expected next year, Enrique stays I think. Then we will bring in another player to challenge him if Robinson doesn't step up by then.

The same goes for the Johnson too.

The real AG

14 Jun 2013 11:40:19
Why is everyone bothered about losing Suarez? £50 million? I will drive him! He is good very good but £50 million! Could buy 3 players who have massive potiential like papa, mhiyaryan ( sorry about spelling) and llori and still have change. Suarez missed games the past two seasons and never got sent off! He was banned because of his stupidity and when the club stuck by him he now wants to leave. The best thing is we have a better record without him! let's build a new side and rule again!

Frosty ynwa

Great post. True in every aspect

Potential is ok but when you lose someone who is world class then IMO you have to replace him

I am not the biggest fan of Suarez, but I am bothered he is going.

The real AG

3 players are better than 1. I would take papa, mhitaryan and llori for Suarez all day. Do you not think coutinho could be world class? He is better central and when Suarez plays coutinho is pushed out wide and out of the game.

14 Jun 2013 11:34:29
Hi ed's, are you aware of any interest that the club may have in Honda? Although be wouldn't strictly fit in to the philosophy of young talent with a high resale value, at 27 he is a very creative player with an eye for goal and can take a mean free kick. Plus with him being out of contract this summer would surely be worth looking at?

Thanks {Ed052's Note - we're no longer interested. He isn't out of contract in the summer}

14 Jun 2013 11:25:52
"I obviously had some attitudes which I regret now and I have asked for forgiveness, "
"As a professional player, I would be happy if they saw me for what I do on the pitch, not for my attitudes. But I understand I am paying for my past actions. "

Hey eds does these latest comments by luis suarez means something regarding his future as cavani is set to sign for real madrid as stated by cavani's father.

"Cavani's intention is to play for Madrid, " Luis Cavani, the striker's father, told Futboleros. "He is excited about it and is very willing to see it through. "He has told the family in private that he wants to join Real Madrid, but if he declares it publicly it will annoy Napoli. "There has been contact with Real Madrid's lawyers and now we are waiting for the two clubs to meet, " he added. "I hope it happens and that talks take place as soon as possible. Who wouldn't want to play for Real Madrid? {Ed052's Note - nothing has changed}

14 Jun 2013 11:13:09
Hi Ed's. What is the situation with Danny Wilson. Did we receive a transfer fee for him or was it a free transfer. Just wondering as Hearts are now putting their squad up for sale due to financial problems. Is Wilson still technically a LFC player and can we sell him on now or does he belong to Hearts. {Ed052's Note - it was a free transfer. His situation with Hearts is now very complicated}

Omg poor Wilson! Awful timing, they should do the honourable thing and rescind his contract as he's only just signed but I suppose they'll look for some few hundred grand for him

14 Jun 2013 09:44:25
Ed 001 are you happy with the signing of Aspas and where do you think he will fit into the team.

I know its hard to say Suarez will be a red next season but if he does stay and Sturridge is fit does Aspas sit on the bench? {Ed001's Note - I am not sure, I have not seen enough of him, so I will reserve judgement and give him a chance to convince me one way or the other. I expect Aspas to replace Downing.}

14 Jun 2013 10:12:32
Hi eds
Which players are likely to leave us this summer {Ed052's Note - read the posts, im begging you}

14 Jun 2013 09:53:46
when suarez leaves will he still be banned for his new club or does that only apply in England. And hyprthetically if he was to return to England in a few years time would he still have to serve his ban or does it go when he does? {Ed002's Note - If he moves in Europe it will stand.}

Eds and reds,
when Suarez came to us he left Ajax while still banned but he played his first game the day after he signed.
How can the ban still stand if he were to go to Real Madrid.
I only ask because surely that would affect the price Real Madrid will pay for Suarez. {Ed002's Note - I have explained this all before.}

14 Jun 2013 09:24:31
Hi eds great work just signed up

2 quick questions
Do u think suarez will stay and can u update me on the situation
And do we show a interest in Mertens {Ed002's Note - Read the posts please.}

14 Jun 2013 09:20:48
The Problems
------------------------------------------

What are the problems? Well the first one is we finished 7th. I've spent some time thinking about why this happened. The main thing people have complained about and the main reason cited is that we can't beat any of the top 5. This does seems like the issue, we only managed a win against Spurs last year, the rest never lost against us. and all finished above us. So it seems a logical argument.

The second problem, who do we replace a 23 goal striker on a limited budget with no champs league?

The Solutions
------------------------------------------------

Problem 1 - It all boils down to some faulty logic on our part. We always assume that you need to beat what's above you to finish above them. This actually isn't the case. If we lost every game against the top 5, but won every game against opposition below that mark, we would finish the season with 84 points. That's good enough for second place. So you would lose 10 games of the season all against top opposition and still finish second? sounds crazy. It's not as unrealistic as it seems either since we started pounding these teams after january and by end of the season it was a question of whether we'd win it became 'how many goals would we win by?'


Problem 2 - I thought a lot about this problem, how do we replace a 23 goal (28 if you count that he created 5 more) striker on limited means and with no european football. The answer is you can't. You just can't. But that's not the problem, the problem is that we didn't know the real problem. We are all sat here thinking that we need to buy another player who'll score 23 goals. but we dont.

There are two ways to solve this problem, the first is to buy another 23 goal a season striker. We can't do that. The second solution is to to buy 2 players who will score 12 a season. I think this is what Rodgers is doing. I think it's what he's been doing from the start. Over the course of the season we have progressively scored more goals from other areas of the pitch. We all love having a great number 9 who bangs in goals, it's sort of a tradition at our club. But does it really matter who scores those 23 goals as long as they are scored? No. And clearly Rodgers doesn't think so either. Try to keep this in mind when you criticize the players being brought in, they are not being brought in for the reasons you think. They are being brought in to make the overall team perform better.


Thanks for reading everyone, hope its been interesting. comments welcome and appreciated as always.

Do you not think our main problem is consistency? I'm not really bothered that we didn't beat the teams above us because we were unlikely a few times against man c twice and Everton. Although in them games we normally played extremely well.

It was after when we thought we were on the up we would lose to a poorer side ( no disrespect to them) so as you said it's about beating the lesser sides consistently rather then the teams above us.

London red

Big problem last season was that we had a very poor first half to the season, while everyone adjusted to the new system that BR wanted, also players playing out of position, some injured, some with poor form, the fixture list not being to kind to us, expected that, and expect another tough first few games,
but once we got going, we started to play really attractive football, and picked up lots of points,
also there were games, when we should really have won, just think about the everton game, also both city games, and being 2 goals up at arsenal,
if we get in the the right players this transfer window, and make a much better start, then we will finish higher up in the premiership, while having a better run in the cups,
looking forward to the new season, new managers, lots of signings, should make it very interesting,
come on you mighty Reds.
redforever

These are not the problems

They are merely some symtoms.

Looking at LFC wholistically

The problems are

1. The owners
2. The manager
3. Spnsorship
4. Finance
5. The Business plan
6. The image of LFC
7. The opposition & how they operate
8. The environment of the EPL
9. Opportunities for lfc
10 Weaknesses in lfc

These are only the headlines and they need to be expanded upon with realism not rose colored glasses.

Alfredo

14 Jun 2013 10:53:41
Good Post, we want goals from as many players as poss, makes it harder for the opposition to single out a main threat. I see and share the vision, IBWT!

What a load of tosh! I remember us attracting suarez with no champions league! If we want that type of hitman we would get him but I believe we already have a striker at the club who can hit the 20+ goals suarez gave us in sturridge! Add to this the 2 players you speak of with the suarez/carroll fees and PROBLEM solved!

Hardy1892

Regarding problem 1 - if you beat the teams above you it is almost worth more as you get 3 points to move up the league but they lose 3 points to stay stationary or drop. This is why beating Chelsea could be more valuable than beating Norwich. Both are worth 3 points but the former result means a higher team cannot climb higher that week.

Alfredo,

Why do you see sponsors and owners as a problem? Perhaps you don't like all the money they both invest without seeing any return on their investment so far?

It's interesting to me that you never mention the players? You don't think they are partly responsible for results?

Nevada

I think you were right not to leave your name under your post.

Thinking anyone could have a 100% record against the 13 teams that finished below us is pure madness (and yes 13 teams - we finished 7th not 6th last season). Then you go on to talk about solutions to Suarez - 1 - can't be done as per you (then it's not a solution?) and 2 buy 2 players instead 12 goals each (if they're only half as good as Suarez do you think other teams would mind us playing 12 players?).

I agree with London Red our main problem is consistency but there lies a fundamental problem with football players those truly great players those that are converted are the players that are consistently performing well the reality is we do not have enough of these players.

The only solution is buy more of these players which we can't afford to do or instead grow these types of players from our youth. A manager can only motivate so much then its up to the players and there desire some players just don't have it.

ALFREDO you are a muppet

KERNOWRED

Sean in Ireland,

You're assuming both players need to play at the same time. They can score their 12 goals each at different times, after all Suarez did not score 23 in one game they were spread out over the year.

And you really don't think it's unreasonable to expect us to beat the teams below us?

Nevada

14 Jun 2013 16:54:10
@Nevada
If they play in different games and get 12 each then that puts them at the same scoring rate/ratio as Suarez (in terms of minutes per goal, etc)- the OP was referring to lesser players getting 12 each. If they are lesser players then to get 12 each they would need to play all the time, hence my reference to 12 players playing at once. E. g. If Aspas plays 80% of the premiership next season I could see him getting, say, 12 goals. Borini could also get 12 goals playing 80%. Suarez could get 24 goals playing 80%- 1 player versus 2 players.

And no I don't think it's reasonable to think ANY team could win all 26 league games against the bottom 13 clubs. Of course I expect to beat these teams but you can't think 26 wins from these 26 games is likely?

Why do you see sponsors and owners as a problem?
I don't!

But we don't have enough sponsors that's the problem

Perhaps you don't like all the money they both invest without seeing any return on their investment so far?

Could not care about investors!


It's interesting to me that you never mention the players? You don't think they are partly responsible for results?

The manager buys the players, the players do not buy themselves!


Each of the 10 points listed needs to be expanded upon?

For example under Owners

You could list FSG good points
for example They saved the club from administration (although some would disagree)

Bad points example - their mgt. structure is poor.

And so on.

Then LFC need to address the weak points under all headings otherwise only treating the symptoms and we know this does not work, we don't have the money for quick fixes

14 Jun 2013 09:11:37
Ed's you know if SG testimonial turns into one of those affairs where a lot of our ex players turn out, you could be in for a nightmare on here.
I mean Fowler, Owen, Hyppia, Hamman would be one thing, But Alonso and Torres ( alongside Suarez? ) and god help you. The bring them back posts will flood in. Lol
RNred

Know what you mean! I remember maradona at spurs!

Post of the day mate!

I can see match of the day fever happening for Djimi Traore

14 Jun 2013 09:24:31
Hi eds great work just signed up

2 quick questions
Do u think suarez will stay and can u update me on the situation
And do we show a interest in Mertens {Ed052's Note - no, hewill go. Theres nothing to update you on. No we haven't}

14 Jun 2013 10:13:12
Suarez will not stay and Liverpool have shown no interest in Dries Mertens. Spuds have.

Malak

14 Jun 2013 09:20:48
The Problems
------------------------------------------

What are the problems? Well the first one is we finished 7th. I've spent some time thinking about why this happened. The main thing people have complained about and the main reason cited is that we can't beat any of the top 5. This does seems like the issue, we only managed a win against Spurs last year, the rest never lost against us. and all finished above us. So it seems a logical argument.

The second problem, who do we replace a 23 goal striker on a limited budget with no champs league?

The Solutions
------------------------------------------------

Problem 1 - It all boils down to some faulty logic on our part. We always assume that you need to beat what's above you to finish above them. This actually isn't the case. If we lost every game against the top 5, but won every game against opposition below that mark, we would finish the season with 84 points. That's good enough for second place. So you would lose 10 games of the season all against top opposition and still finish second? sounds crazy. It's not as unrealistic as it seems either since we started pounding these teams after january and by end of the season it was a question of whether we'd win it became 'how many goals would we win by?'


Problem 2 - I thought a lot about this problem, how do we replace a 23 goal (28 if you count that he created 5 more) striker on limited means and with no european football. The answer is you can't. You just can't. But that's not the problem, the problem is that we didn't know the real problem. We are all sat here thinking that we need to buy another player who'll score 23 goals. but we dont.

There are two ways to solve this problem, the first is to buy another 23 goal a season striker. We can't do that. The second solution is to to buy 2 players who will score 12 a season. I think this is what Rodgers is doing. I think it's what he's been doing from the start. Over the course of the season we have progressively scored more goals from other areas of the pitch. We all love having a great number 9 who bangs in goals, it's sort of a tradition at our club. But does it really matter who scores those 23 goals as long as they are scored? No. And clearly Rodgers doesn't think so either. Try to keep this in mind when you criticize the players being brought in, they are not being brought in for the reasons you think. They are being brought in to make the overall team perform better.


Thanks for reading everyone, hope its been interesting. comments welcome and appreciated as always.

Define "limited budget".

Is it a limited budget in comparison to the teams that finished above us?

Or the limited budget which enabled us to spend plenty more than many teams in the league over the last few seasons?

Is it the "limited budget" in which none of us know the exact budget as yet?

I'm not being funny, don't think I am, but when you compare budgets to that of City and Chelsea we're talking a whole new level and I for one - as a supporter - never want our club to go down that road as it's fundamentally wrong.

We're already spending money and I'm sure we will spend plenty more (regardless of the transfer of Suarez).

DaveyBootle

Nice thought and not far off the mark. Aspas will hopefully get us goals and with Sturridge we can hopefully get a couple more than the 23. Coutinho will get them the chances needed. When/If Suarez leaves we will still need another top class striker, don't see Borini as the answer. We will play a different system this season and yes we'll play a 4, 1, 3, 2 but without the wide men, and intent on driving through the middle of teams. This was tested at the end of last season while Suarez was out and Coutinho seen as the key man.

I did mean in relation to other teams Dave. But the focus was on the fact that a 23 goal a season player is not available to us for a few reasons, we don't offer silly wages, we don't have European football, and those players usually have their pick of the top clubs and so we are much further down on their priority list.

Nevada

14 Jun 2013 09:11:37
Ed's you know if SG testimonial turns into one of those affairs where a lot of our ex players turn out, you could be in for a nightmare on here.
I mean Fowler, Owen, Hyppia, Hamman would be one thing, But Alonso and Torres ( alongside Suarez? ) and god help you. The bring them back posts will flood in. Lol
RNred

14 Jun 2013 08:10:07
Hi eds

I personally believe that we should keep suarez, but if we sell him I want to see a ready made replacement such as higuain. i'm not saying higuin will come and I personally don't rate him but we need someone of this type of calibre if we want to challenge for top 4 next season.

Whats your thoughts guys?

John {Ed052's Note - isn't your statement a bit of a contradiction. I want... Higuain, but he's not good enough...?!}

14 Jun 2013 10:19:21
Ed052 mate, what are your thoughts on Alvaro Morata? Personally I can see him as good as he wants to be in the future if given a chance of regular playing time.

Malak {Ed052's Note - maybe so, but RM wouldn't let him leave}

No Ed it is a lot of a contradiction lol.
C'Mon fella giving us Johns a bad name! haha. John Wigan

14 Jun 2013 11:37:04
I listened to an interview of him and he was talking about that if Madrid was thinking about bringing in another striker he would seriously consider leaving as he wasn't convinced that he would get more playing time any time soon if they are planning on bringing Bale and Suarez/Cavani and using Ronaldo as a striker. He may become available as the days go ed:) Specially if Madrid seriously want Mr. Suarez;)

Malak

14 Jun 2013 02:19:12
Respected ed's thank you for posting this.

I hope the Liverpool supporters layoff Aspas and give him time to adapt to the bpl.
Moreover stop comparing him to suarez and expect him to rattle 10 goals in 10 games.
From his game he looks as an upgrade or a replacement for downing. I'm not saying downing is bad he was pretty decent and is a really good cover for us. But if aspas replaces him I for one don't mind it.

Whats your take on Aspas's game? {Ed052's Note - ive profiled him}

14 Jun 2013 10:30:18
thats the problem these days we seem to join fans of other clubs who run r players down very quickly, personally I think we should allow for a settling in period especially coming from another culture look at drogbas first year at chelsea, even the great ian rush took a while to get going and nearly left. Tommy Irish Red

Aspas did extremely well for Celta over the last two seasons, he helped massively in getting them promotion to the Spanish Premier league equivalent scoring 25+ goals on route (i believe), then he took his form into this season just finished scoring 12 league goals (again, I think) and assisting some important ones along the road as well, he's a dynamic lad, looks heavy set but is deceptively mobile. I'm looking forward to seeing him play, I think he's got the experience and worked his way up, had Benfica and Valencia I believe looking at him as well, so it's not bargain basement, make do stuff this lad is ready to move to a bigger club on the up and Rodgers has plans for him. £7 million'ish it's great value I believe, I hope he proves all the grumpy gits wrong and has a blinder. Who knows, we might be selling this lad to Real next season! :) Support, YNWA, it's fair weaher season for some fans on here. Before he's even kicked a blooming ball. Shame.

14 Jun 2013 01:53:57
We have not given up on Papa, Schalke are asking for too much and it's all steam ahead for the next in line, Ashley Williams. Schalke know this and they do want him to leave. Expect some news before 20 June.

14 Jun 2013 00:34:11
Hey eds, do you know of any interest from Liverpool or otherwise in eljero Elia? A while back he was touted as the next best thing, haven't seen or heard of him in a while. {Ed052's Note - not any more. We did a coue of years back}

14 Jun 2013 00:24:29
Hey eds! With Aspas being done in principle, do you know if any of our other targets are close to joining? I was thinking about Alberto, Ilori, Mkhitaryan etc? Cheers, Scouserseb {Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}

13 Jun 2013 23:30:52
Evening all

I must say, this a great site and I am addicted. I am new in and looking forward to the banter, insights and mixing it with fellow LFC fans!

Cheers!

All ill say is goodluck with that, all you get on here during the season is people complaining

Andy