Liverpool Banter Archive March 14 2012
Use our rumours form to send us liverpool transfer rumours.
14 Mar 2012 23:01:09
Does anyone know what happened to Andy Polo? Did he sugn for anyone?
Well, i have got in on a very good note that he is set for Genoa. Perhaps, it'd be a done deal in the near future.
trustme.YNWA
He had a trial at LFC it did not go that well
He was invited back for another trial but his advisers are against that idea
He had a medical but the doctors discovered a hole in his heart.
DM2012 (the old ones are still the best, jokes I mean, not Carragher).
14 Mar 2012 23:31:15
NESV spent £35,350,000 on transfers 11/12 season. Will the club be looking to go a season without overspending in order to balance the books.
So if Luis Suarez leaves, then someone else may come in at similar value or if glen johnson leaves a right winger may come in.
Balance the books? We get £25m from Standard Chartered per season, Warrior kit deal is worth £50m per season and regarding merchandise from the Warrior deal, the club gets 50% of all sales (200,000 jerseys sold, Liverpool make £60m) I think we can easily balance the books on those numbers plus NESV want to bring the club to the "next step" so they will have no hesitation spending some money to bring the best players available to the club to bring success
Rocky
Add to that TV money, ticket sales, players being sold, Carling Cup money, possible FA Cup money (depends on how much we progress in the competition)... As Kenny says success isn't all about football being played on the pitch ;)
Rocky
Isnt the 50 million over 3 seasons or something similar, that makes about 17 million a season! can anyone else confer this fore me?
billynwa
Let's hope Hey Rocky! YHOO! how's Adrian?
I think we may get something like 20 - 21 mil a season from warrior, but not too sure. Its certainly not 50 though, any of the eds have any idea? Thanks
KiwiRed {Ed001's Note - it's 25m a season I thought, the previous record being something like 23.5m}
Could always push on and win next seasons europa league too, that'd have to help
What ever money they get , it gets wasted on over priced players!!
Rocky. After that terrible piece of accountancy thank F*#K your not in charge
No they don't get 25 mill a year off Standard chartered
No they don't get 50 mill a year off Warrior
Your Lack of appreciation Of such large amounts of money is Truely Shocking!!
Its 25M a season from Warrior and they have not taken over the shirt deal as yet {Ed002's Note - And there is no 50% of sales to Liverpool either.}
You are correct Ed002
The Warrior deal is worth £25m a year guaranteed for 6 years. The £50m is what it could potentially be worth a year, as Liverpool now have control over the merchandising abroad and other unbranded products, which previously Adidas had control.
Now Liverpool have control of this, we can think of opening Liverpool stores abroad in the Far East, America etc.,
RedSG {Ed002's Note - The Warrior deal is worth £25M a year. There is nothing that can be done to make it worth £50M a year.}
We get 50% of sales?! {Ed002's Note - No.}
This was in the Guardian 19 Jan 2012
Liverpool say they expect to earn a staggering £300m through their new six-year deal with the US sportswear company Warrior Sports, and have denied accusations that underachievement on the pitch led to the collapse of their current kit deal with Adidas.
Warrior, owned by New Balance, will become the club's kit supplier from June having agreed a £25m-a-year deal to enter the football industry for the first time. The £25m per year is a guaranteed figure for Liverpool, not performance-related, and eclipses the £23.5m-a-year deal that Manchester United have with Nike but are currently renegotiating.
With Warrior, Liverpool will control all non-branded merchandising “ products outside the usual kit range “ and are free to open club stores wherever they choose. That is not the case under Adidas, who control Liverpool's kit supply and the sale of non-branded merchandise, and the club believe they can double the £25m a year from Warrior when the current restrictions are lifted this summer.
Liverpool's managing director, Ian Ayre, explained: "Our business is split in two. We have what you call kit, the branded products, the stuff the players wear, and that's the part of the business that the deal with Warrior covers. In our existing deal, there have been some restrictions on that in terms of the other unbranded products we sell, general retail. That sat within our deal with Adidas in certain lines and in certain markets.
"In our new deal, we have complete control of that. We will still work with Warrior, but we will have a much wider opportunity. That area of business currently represents 50% of everything we generate. The new deal represents half of what we currently generate, so we still have another opportunity to develop similar kind of revenues and that's what encouraged us."
Herbert Hainer, chief executive of Adidas, claimed the German company withdrew from negotiations to extend its six-year contract with Liverpool as: "We thought that what Liverpool were asking and what they were delivering was not in the right balance." Liverpool have, however, secured a £25m-a-year deal despite not qualifying for the Champions League for the past two years and Ayre insists the club's global appeal ensured Adidas's requirements were met.
"I'm happy that we delivered absolute value for a partner like Adidas and we will continue to deliver that value for Warrior," Ayre said. "We shared all the numbers with everybody we spoke to and I don't think it would surprise anyone to know that Liverpool are one of the biggest merchandising businesses in football and we wouldn't have had so many people interested if we didn't have a great business. We ran a very exciting process over 12 months. We worked very hard to speak to every major manufacturer in the sportswear category and we had winners and losers. Some people are very disappointed and some people are very happy."
Rather than taking a risk with a company unknown in football “ Michigan-based Warrior were synonymous with lacrosse and hockey before last year becoming supplier to the Boston Red Sox, the baseball club that shares owners with Liverpool “ Ayre believes the club will benefit as the company's main priority. That, it is suspected at Liverpool, has not always been the case with Adidas. Liverpool's MD added: "What really encouraged us is that this is their first foray into football and so we are their only customer and they will be very focused on Liverpool Football Club and promoting this opportunity around the world."
RedSG {Ed002's Note - This relates to additional exploitation that is now possible but is nothing to do with Warrior.}
Well the nature of the contract with Warrior allows to us to do this further exploitation, so I guess it has something to do with Warrior. Under the Adidas deal we couldn't do it. I understand Warrior won't be handing over £50m, that's obvious!
Also Ed002, do you think Di Matteo could be a potential manager at your club? If not who do you hope will take over?
RedSG {Ed002's Note - There may be an outside chance that Di Matteo will become manager but I rather doubt it will happen. My preference would be for Mourinho.}
16 Mar 2012 13:38:32
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9026371/Liverpool-hope-to-double-their-money-by-turning-their-record-breaking-new-kit-deal-into-300-million-bonanza.html
RedSG
14 Mar 2012 23:28:00
eds,
you say we are interested in M'Vila...
How much would he cost?
Dont know the ins and outs but my guess would be between 10-15 million, thoughts?
billynwa
I like, but i also like Maxime Gonalons while we're on the french defensive midfield topic
Well, I just hope, we aren't priotising another CM or DM in the summer. There are othe positions, we should be looking at.
Trustme. YNWA
14 Mar 2012 23:21:18
I wrote afew months ago being at the game v Oldham, I was in the Kop that night an I confirmed that the term used by our fan was manc b*stard, an not a racially offensive word. Now a statement has been released confirming no charges are to be made, is there somthing we can do to to expose these tabloids that are anti-Liverpool an printing any old drilvel?!
Shottski.
Things can be done, but it'd cost MILLIONS upon MILLIONS and still may not come off...
Just curious, why would one of our fans shouted "manc b**tard" at an Oldham player?
Could it be because Oldham is in Greater Manchester
Because Oldham players don't like being called Mancs, Oldham being next door to Manchester.
14 Mar 2012 23:14:00
All those who want Liverpool to sign Cavani & Lavezzi! I hope you saw how poor they are, Italian football is dead (even I could play there lol). At home Napoli are good but away from home they're very poor.
Eds if A Madrid fail to make champions league next season do you think Liverpool (with out CL football next season) could sign Falcao?
Ok, Italian football is FAR from dead, they met a very determined Chelsea, whom they put 3 past in the first leg. Bilbao put 3 past ManU, and it could've/should've been 7 or 8, does this mean english football is dead? and Stevie G and Juan Mata are useless?
We are, and will be seeing a long delayed rise in italian football, they've had a LOT of issues over the last 7 or 8 years, but i personally like italian football and hope Milan meet Barca in the CL final. Cavani will make a very good striker one day, Lavezzi is obviously talented, but i've stated my issues with him many a time, and it's his lack of consistency and committment.
But the likes of Hamsik, Cavani and Inler are great footballers who would make it at almost any club.
Then look through the other clubs.
Ibra, Prince B, Pirlo, Cassano, Pazzini, Di Natale, Miccoli, Gaston Ramirez... and i could go on all day. Then there are players that have been good there, left and continued their form. Kaka, Sanchez and Pastore to name a few.
THEN, there are players that many a fan on here wanted that are NOT doing too well in italy because it's too difficult for them, Elia and Krasic come to mind...
It may not be a intense as the EPL, or quite as technical as La Liga(not far off) but it IS the most tactical and intelligent league on the planet, there are a LOT of players in italy that i would welcome to liverpool with open arms.
Red7.
Not sure I witnessed £100m's worth of striking talent last night with Cavani & Lavezzi... they couldn't get past Chelsea, where we did (easily) earlier in the season.
Lol. What are you blethering about,,,
Cavani is a God you fool - they can keep Lavezzi, he's not a God like Cavini - but he's miles better than anyone we have to play on the right.
Not like I think we'd actually get either of them...
But here, what do you think of my AMAZING counter-analysis -
"At home Chelsea are good but away from home they're very poor... therefore, English Football is dead"
Amazing insights eh.
You must have a very small brain. lol.
BJH YNWA
ps - There's one English team and one Italian team left.
So I suppose English football really is dead by your logic.
Such a shame. I was still enjoying it too.........
Curling always looked decent - maybe i'll give that a watch....
14 Mar 2012 23:03:52
Its very sad to hear about that terrible accident in switzerland many children lost there lives my thoughts are with them Y.N.W.A
gee man
Fair play mate
billynwa
Rest In Peace to all those children
INDIAN SCOUSER
YNWA .
14 Mar 2012 22:29:10
Hi eds, nothing to do with Liverpool but I was just thinking could a Torres falcao swap could be possible? Obviously chelsea would stump up cash too
Just wondering what you think
Cheers jman
WhAt u said made zero sense
I was wondering what to have for tea tonight. Nothing to do with this page but neither was your post
cozinoz
What are you hvaing for tea? I can't decide either
14 Mar 2012 22:25:46
Hi ed, if we win the FA cup but get close to 4th spot do you still think it would be hard to attract players like Llorente?
I understand why some players wouldn't want to come to a team without CL Football, but where have the days gone of going to a club with prospect and a good project?
It's not as if they would get lower wages!
Anyway, after tonights game (Chelsea vs Napoli) I think Suarez, Gerrard and Lavezzi would have amazing link up! We saw Suarez & Gerrard against Everton but imagine adding the flair of Lavezzi? What are the chances out of ten for getting Lavezzi?
Cheers mate!
Or if we really want a top player to step in when Stevie stands down in a few years, Hamsik would do nicely.
Don't we get a CL place if we win the FA cup? {Ed002's Note - No.}
14 Mar 2012 20:11:54
Hello Ed002,
I just got a brilliant idea!! Let's exchange Suarez and Carroll for Lavezzi and Cavani! Straight deal, no cash. I know it's quite risky for Liverpool but Napoli should be happy. LFC would probably suffer great loss but let's take that chance...all the best to all Eds. {Ed002's Note - For me Levezzi and Cavani are expensivie options but not nailed on.}
14 Mar 2012 22:38:52
Just want to know which players you would sign I'm summer and why
Thanks
From La Liga:
Fernando Llorente, David Villa or Gonzalo Higuain...
From Ligue 1:
Michel Bastos, Ryad Boudebouz, Yann M'Vila, Loic Remy...
From Bundesliga:
Marco Marin
I think personally, if we got 3/4 of these players we'll be very strong for next season... 4 players i feel we could target are Ryad Boudebouz, Fernando Llorente, Marco Marin and Loic Remy
Rocky
We dont have a chance of any of those players from La Liga you mentioned, possibly Soldado would be one of the few we might have a chance of. But dont hold your breath....
KiwiRed
As I've said before, I'd go all out for Hazard but think it's unlikely.
Failing that, I'd like to see a skilful, pacey winger who can really change games (eg/ Ramirez) and a striker, either Soldado or De Jong would be my picks. I'd also like to see Hoilett picked up on a free as I see no downside to that deal
Red Ollie
4 players - marko marin, roberto soldado, kevin strootman and ibrahim affelay plus the progression of a couple of the younger players that are ready and we'd certainly be stronger for next season.
Philly
We need to take a chance on players before they get the £20 million price tag. This is Comolli and the scouts job.
14 Mar 2012 22:37:51
have to agree with jayblair saying Inler is class. reminds me of Stevie, and when Rafa was interested in him, he should have bought him instead of Aquilani. Rest is history but Inler for me would be an excellent buy.
I actually thought Hamsik was Napoli's best player tonight
Red Ollie
Hamsik usually is
14 Mar 2012 22:37:36
Ed will the new the new stadium be ready in time for the new kit launch? {Ed001's Note - what new stadium?}
Sorry will Anfield be expanded in time for the kit launch?
Nothing has been finalised yet with the new stadium plans so we'd be looking at at least 2 years if they decided to build a new stadium
Rocky
14 Mar 2012 22:27:35
Not really a Liverpool rumour or banter as such but indirectly relates to the Luis Suarez "case" (if you can call it that).
What is the latest, if you know of any, on John Terry's court case with A.Ferdinand? How has he not been banned yet and allowed to play? I never see any news/updates about it in the national press ANYWHERE...but Luis Suarez, well we all know how he was treated by the media...
Do you think they're covering it up because he's English? or because he plays for their beloved chelsea?
You only have to watch the TV when chelsea play, the commentators celebrate more than their fans do when chelsea score.
Anyways I won't keep babbling on because the favouritism in the media is probably all well too known with everyone.
Thanks {Ed003's Note - Their is no update, his court case is due to be held in the summer and I dont know why we are going over this again}
Thanks for the response, you're right maybe it's best not brought up again, guess just the sense of double standards when watching Chelsea play tonight annoyed me a little. Cheers
I hate to go on about it too, but in response to the original poster, there is no double standard, it's not a case of Terry getting off while Luis got suspended. The matter is being dealt with much more thoroughly than the Suarez case, as it is going to trial. If John Terry is found guilty, he will be suspended and god knows what else, it will be made VERY public as things usually do in britain. SO my advice, is wait and see... If he's found guilty he'll be dealt with properly, he may even get more than he bargained for.
If he's guilty and gets 2 weeks, then by all means flip your lid, but wait and see first...
Red7.
Cheers Red7 you're also right, we'll wait and see! YNWA
14 Mar 2012 22:52:06
At long last there were signs that Carroll is starting to learn some of the basic tricks of the trade. I noticed last night he wasn't getting caught out as often by the old nudge in the back from the centre half just as he initiates the jump for a header. Instead he was faking the initial jump, taking the nudge (which set the centre half of balance) and then jumping to head the ball, he probably won 90% of the challenges last night.
I think Gerrard, Suarez and Carroll showed promise as a unit, throw a fox in the box into the mix and we'd have a winning formula.
Ozone
Mate could not agree more! we are so close.
billynwa
Fair play to you Ozone mate - you have given Andy some stick, but here you are praising his good performance. Respect for that mate.
By the way, I agree with your comments and think the unit of all three works well.
LIVERPRES
I think tricks of the trade is the right way to put it, his main weakness seems to be positional play (he never seems to make near post runs) and you pick that up the more you play
Red Ollie
Not to take anything from the original poster, but Everton we completely blown away in the first ten minutes, their confidence disappeared and so did their committment, i actually saw Jay Spearing win the ball in the air a few times, now there is no excuse for that from the blues, he's tiiiiny.
Red7.
14 Mar 2012 22:18:02
can anybody tell me how the lads are doing in the nextgen im not able to watch
Thanks Kanos
Hammered 6 nil
gee man
They lost 6-0 and were played off the park.
-SH-
Lost 6-0
Wozza
They dominated the first half but then got battered the second. Just couldn't score. If we finished our chances in the first half we'd be in that final! Unlucky lads.
BthekingB
Sounds like the senior team, many chances and no goals.
If we finished our chances in the first half we'd be in that final! Unlucky lads.
Where have I seen that before?
Hmmm
Sounds very familiar
14 Mar 2012 22:17:58
Cavanni was rubbish tonite, don't think he touched the ball more than five times, what's his price tag,£50m, ha, not on that showing.
If he only touched the ball 5 times i'd be looking at where the ball was coming from, and not where it was headed...
14 Mar 2012 21:31:24
How goods that lavezzi? A great partner for Suarez in my opinion.. ( going on tonight's game off course )
Sijo
Wouldn't be a smart signing for me, he looks a fine player but seems to do the same thing as Suarez is doing at the moment, ie. get involved in the play a lot and cause problems but rarely score. I'd rather sign someone with a better scoring record right now
Red Ollie
Someone more like Mario Gomez
14 Mar 2012 21:29:09
After Liverpool's huge loss in the NexGen series, and with Ward, Ibe, Texiera already on that roster, how many kids do you think Liverpool will feed into the youth system?
Squad not Roster its not Wrestling
They say roster in canada/ the u.s.
14 Mar 2012 21:27:24
How come my earlier post was cut eds? Wasn't offensive or anything! WelshBoyDave {Ed001's Note - I don't know mate sorry, unless you included any symbols, sometimes they confuse the HTML and lines will go missing or even the end of a post, depending the symbol used.}
14 Mar 2012 21:24:55
im watching the reserves play in the next gen series and getting beat 6-0 by ajax , sporting lisbon and ajax have tought us a few lessons in football and i hear fans say play the reserves , i'd get their left back and a playe rcalled fisher or something like that he's scored an hatrick , suso has done nothing maybe he see's adam and henderson and thinks i can play better than them , i dont know but on the displays ive seen in this tournament then these kids are not ready
it was a great performance last night by all the team , but i wonder like a few of us will our next game be the same , will kenny revert back to bringing adam in the midfield ,i hope not , nothing was wrong with the formation ,players or tactics , kenny needs to keep the same team and formation till the end of the season , and see were we end up , people say we have missed lucas , maybe we have but he's at his best when were defending , if you get what i mean ,
now onto players linked with us , i laugh my head off at the fantasy players some fans think we will buy , get real we have a great history , but thats all it is history , its not now , some people think we will win the f.a.cup . i hope we do , but like most fans i want us to win the prem , we have been away from the top for too long , so who will we buy , maybe luuk de jong , and m.isla , we do need an attacking midfielder who can unlock defences and a right winger , maxi,kuyt carra and stevie are getting old and next season they will be a year older more or less ,
i just hope we get exciting youngsters , ive read that porto signed radamel falcao for 3 or 4 mil euros in 2009 , athletico bought him for 40 mil euros , theres a lesson there , plus as suarez has shown us its south american footballers that are the best players , get the young ones from there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,micky b
The kids aren't ready so buy some more kids and win the league? Is that what you're sayin? Kev7
I thought Adam was pretty good against Arsenal tbh
Red Ollie
We wud have thrashed arsenal if gerrard had started instead of adam.
Indian Buzzer
South American players cause problems with several issues:
Third party ownership
Passport issues
Climatising to our weather
Language barrier
Adapting to the league
Scouse_Pride
14 Mar 2012 22:07:31
Drogba really does epitomise Chelsea...
Classless
So what does Suarez epitomise for Liverpool?
Suarez - Class :)
Drogba is a diving scally but he's a fantastic player. Strong, fast, skilful, passionate. Any team would love to have him.
Red Ollie
Suarez epitomises how racist the FA and PFA are in this country! I could go on but ed2 would just say its paranoia!
jonnybarnes89-90
14 Mar 2012 22:07:25
I absolutely hate drogba the diving cheating plastic flag waving toss pot
King luis
He hates you right back
CT13
Who cares that a diving cheat hates you ?? hope he gets a ban for cheating
Which one - Johnson or Kelly?
DM2012
And suarez isnt...
David Luis, the biggest show man of them all. Just look when he felt and got the corner, stayd down screaming like a girl. But got up the second he was told he got the corner.. I rate him as nr. 1 on the list of worst divers, Suarez stays top 5 but has really improved and i really hope he loses that part soon.
The Rob.
14 Mar 2012 22:04:27
What would happen in Chelsea finish 5th and win the Champions League? Would they get the fourt spot and those in 4th be pushed down to Europa? {Ed001's Note - yes.}
14 Mar 2012 21:50:22
Ahh poor Torres.
Haha not, he looks like a lost kid:-)
Gaz b
14 Mar 2012 21:50:11
torres at liverpool would have buried that chance. bring him home and turn him into a real striker again : )
He does not deserve to come back he made his bed........
We are not his 'home', he made that abundantly clear when he left. Plus even if we were to, who says he wouldnt leave us again in a couple of years because a 'big club' came knocking. No he can do one as far as im concerned.
KiwiRed
You have to be joking. Do you have a 'mancrush' on Torres. He is crap, slow, useless, money grabbing. Well that said at least he has a chance at winning the CL.
"Couple of years?" Not sure he'll be around in England that long KiwiRed...
Richards
14 Mar 2012 21:18:42
So far in next gen Liverpool 0 - Ajax 6 WOW
Marc
14 Mar 2012 21:13:09
Haven't been able to watch the NextGen Semi, which players are standing out on either side ?
Hans
Fischer from ajax mate.looks like a young dare I say Robbie fowler
King luis
14 Mar 2012 21:05:50
King kenny please buy inler next steven gerrard easyyyy
jayblair89
14 Mar 2012 21:02:31
I could've written all this last week but I waited for the right time, and it's now. A year ago LFC were close to disaster. We were at the risk of being bankrupt. We were close to the relegation zone. A year later we have a trophy to our name. In most games we have played we have dominated other teams, with exception of spurs, Bolton, and Sunderland we deserved to win the other games. We didn't simply because of one area - our finishing. If we were finishing even an at an average rate, chances are we would be at the top of the league.
We're 2nd in the league for the number of chances created. Our midfield's creating enough chances, although they do lack a little bit of pace and creativity. Look, all I know is that Kenny knows what he's doing. He knows what we're lacking at the moment. He knows what needs to be done to get things right next season. He needs time. Whiskey nose won his fist cup after four years in charge. All I want our fans is to stick to our principles. We're not like other clubs, We're Liverpool FC. Let's call a spade a spade and say it as it is - If we had a striker who by now had knocked in 20+ goals and we hadn't missed the penalties or hit the woodwork (basically finished better) - we would have been singing the praises of our new signings for creating all these chances. We would have been hailing the King for the legend he really is, but NO, only because we are not perfect in such short time span, everything's wrong. It's all doom and gloom. Let's sack KK. Let's shoot Adams, let's hang downing, let's lynch Carroll. It's the end of the world.
FFS, let's get a reality check. Learn to be patient. Good things like last night come to all those who keep faith. YNWA! Long Live the King.
Furqan.
Good post....i still think Adam should be shot though.
GuvTOB
Furqan good post ;-)
Matt S - YNWA
I could've written all that months ago.
I agree with most of this but I would say we lack in other areas other than finishing too, right wing for example, and to a lesser extent (unless Bellamy is 100%) the LW, we lack pace and the crosses, don't get me started!
But I agree with everything else about where we've come from in a short amount of time, but really most real fans know this already but I'd imagine you're saying all of this to prove a point to the moan brigade, well they'll never be positive/happy even if we win a cup double it'll be "no CL league", if we qualify for CL next season it might be "yeah but we haven't won a cup this season" if we win the CL it'll be "but we still haven't won the league" if we win the league it'll be the vice-versa, there's no point us even wasting ur breath on them "fans"
A little bit more investment next season in the right players then we'll be good for a top 4. YNWA
RMUK
To the person who could of written that month's ago! why did'nt you?
Its very nice to know there are fans out there like me!
billynwa
14 Mar 2012 18:50:23
Hey Eds,I know that the top four is a big boost for signing players,but my question is in your opinion if we didn't make it(likely) but if we won the fa cup and went on a half decent run,do you think that would be enough to attract top players? All hypothetical I know but would love to hear your views on this! WelshBoyDave {Ed001's Note - yes, I think two cups in a season is a big boost to the hopes of signing players.}
14 Mar 2012 18:41:05
Ed, I cant recall Liverpool signing players on loan in recent windows. Everton, as well as other clubs seem to significantly strengthen their squads by doing so. Do we have plans to do so in the future(if the opportunity arises), and if not, why? Thanks. {Ed001's Note - because there are very few top class players that become available to loan.}
14 Mar 2012 20:13:05
mazari looks like a quiet good manager, just my opinion though
14 Mar 2012 19:47:22
is the nextgen semi a two legger?
No mate.dodgy reffing decisions costing us again
King luis
Think it's 1 leg mate. Schooled by a more experienced and physically stronger team, but good experience for the lads. One good thing should come from it, surely the liverpool management are now aware Michael Ngoo should be nowhere near our first team, ever. Looked out of his depth even at that level.
Rugby Parker
Maybe not - poor kids :o(
Qwerty
I hope not. Ajax are scoring for fun.D Klaassen looks amazing
No, it's all over...!
ANFIELDPETE
No, thankfully :S kids did us proud in the tournament though. Future's bright
DP
Afraid not - the young lads were hammered
Redpath
Hope not we got trounced 6-0!!
Davey
Why? Do you think we'll win 7-0 in Amsterdam?
Dodgy reffing decisions didn't give them six goals. They outplayed us in every part of the pitch, and they have a philosophy and system years beyond ours. No shame in the loss today, but don't blame it on reffing.
Our problem is we only have a few really good young players the rest just make up the numbers
Even we they make up numbers ..they were good enough to reach the SEMIs..
Remember the journey with the Destination..You just reach the destination but live the journey ..
We are no match for the best youth sides.
We have some quality individuals but lots of the current LFC side will never make it - Particularly the defenders.
LFC looked like an English team trying to play like Barcelona.
The problem was that Barca try to play like Ajax....
We were always gonna be mauled.
Ajax. Pure Class.
Nothing more to say about that.
BJH YNWA.
But this is irritating me - why is our youth teams tactical setup different to the first team?
It hardly makes for a seamless transition for the kids if called into the FT setup.
It doesn't help that our first team doesn't have a settled style of play yet either. We play well, then change it.
Less of this wannabee Barca crap.
We are Liverpool.
442 v Arsenal and Everton - 2 good performances. Then that Sunderland rubbish inbetween.
With Kuyt as a poor mans Messi in a front 3.... or Downing - Bellamy as Iniesta and Adam as Xavi....
Holy F*ck.
I wish people would stop suggesting any teams with a front 3 - or in some Barca type formation.
We simply do not have the players to play that way - not even close.
We have played our best football this season with a flexible 442.
People must be blind if they can't see that. If we change it again I might crack up.
Sort it out Kenny.
Or more to the point. Leave it Alone!
14 Mar 2012 19:48:07
Stevie G, Carroll & Suarez really works well, if they can play together for longer and link up well that should be a deadly trio to be feared off.
Stevie G sways a long range pass, Carroll wins the header nick it to Suarez, who runs past defenders with some nice dribbling pass it to Stevie G.. bang!!!!!!
OF course last night was one our best performance this season, but once again reality will start to kick again, we looses concentration against less opposition, inconsistency, the same old story!
MR. Dalglsih needs to stick with a Starting XI.. play them week and week out unless fatigue or injury concerns come across. Keep Adam on the bench, play Carroll and Suarez upfront so they can build on their understanding and partnership.
One thing I noticed is Spearing looks twice the player with Stevie G than with Adam and Henderson
Think if Adam dosent improve his play wee need to cash in on him, would rather give Shelvy & Henderson a chance. Also if we are to do anything in summer don't forget to buy another center midfielder of quality.
Yan M'Villa/Martinez/Goetze for me. Strong midfield is key to success. a midfield who can score goals when your strikers misfire, see how Stevie G does it.
Sell Adam ps..get a young & dynamic mobile midfielder
Great post
taran
Can't understand why Shelvey doesn't get more of a look in, he was superb at Blackpool. Henderson has featured in about 26 of the games this season, so give him a break and lets have a look at Jon Jo.
Kenny Do'snt like Shelvey's atittude! that's why he do'snt get played that much!
Shelvey is s**t that's why
14 Mar 2012 18:35:42
I just want say thanks to macca for the info on staying at anfield. He doesnt have to provide with info so thanks very much.
Also i thought carragher had a really good game last night and is still a very much reliable part of the squad.
Mighty reds
14 Mar 2012 18:28:39
Agree if you would rather be in arsenal's position but not have won the FA cup without spending 75M
Disagree if you would be in our position .
Neither arsenal or Liverpool won the fa cup... and we have spent 120m, not 75 so i dont really get your question? you should of just said would you rather be barcalona or crawley town, Off cors people would rather be in arsenals position, there 10 points ahead of us
Why would you? 2 cups= or champs? 7 years or 1 year?
Which 2 cups?
To the poster who wrote 'WE have spent 120m' - you obviously have a lot of money so can you please send me a few bob as I am skint?
DM2012
I'd rather win trophies and compete in the CL when we're ready to win the CL trophy, if you think success is consistently qualifying for a competition only to get knocked out by teams like Milan then all the best with that,
Only one winning at arsenal is the chairman, putting all that CL money in his pocket, a chairman getting richer and no trophies to show for it doesn't attract me much,
I'd rather be in the position of a team which wins trophies.
Have fun in your open top bus ride showing of your top 4 position and please remember to keep it nice and polished when you put it in your 'cabinet'
;)
RMUK
Did you really think at the start of season 04 05 that we would win the European cup for the 5th time RMUK?
14 Mar 2012 17:59:23
why is it every day ed002 mentions suarez probably leaving, kenny said no chance end off why keep beating the drum.
gee man {Ed001's Note - Kenny also said Babel was staying.}
Just his/her opinion Gee man Dont let it annoy you atleast he aint Torres
MJ
Suarez is gone, He wants out of the premiership and out of england
Thank god hes not torres MJ
gee man
And did Babel leave Ed? {Ed001's Note - yep, just after it was said.}
Are you of the same opinion ed001?
Andy C {Ed001's Note - no, I think it is a possibility, but nothing is decided, it is more that we would consider offers rather than him being gone already, I believe.}
Ed001 - Do you think Kenny 'wants' to keep Luis? I certainly do...
He's just unplayable when the balance of the team is right.
Cheers,
Lee YNWA {Ed001's Note - yes I do think Kenny would prefer to keep him.}
So kennys a liar
gee man {Ed001's Note - he says what is the best thing, he believes, for the club. You don't tell people a player is going to leave unless you are just desperate to get rid, all it would do is lower the price you are likely to get.}
Remember ED002 said Suarez wouldn't could be wrong twice..
14 Mar 2012 17:55:11
Well played kopites from a blue. What gets me is that they wanted it more, they showed the fight, desire and commitment.
Steve
When you say THEY im guessing you mean LFC because you guys didnt attack at all really all you could do was try and defend the constant attack on your p!ss poor defence
MJ
Hey! Go easy on Steve...he just congratulated us so, he's a class act. Liverpool did play exceptionally well and unfortunately, for Everton, they caught us on a night when we put in one of the best performances in a long time.
Thnx for the congrats Steve!
14 Mar 2012 17:35:50
Are you people mad ? Dont let 1 win over shadow the state we are in, Kenny and his shambles signings still need to go, We are the laughin stock of football this season after the whole suarez thing, then kenny in the saurez t shirt and then kenny wasted over 120 million on players and we can only score 33 goals, Sure we only reached the 40 point mark last night, after 28 bloody games, its just not good enough and we all know it, we need changes now, we are a sinking ship, dave
I suspect 'dave' might be from Manchester
Dave we are not in the relegation zone so chill we all know that we have not had the greatest season but we have won a cup and if all goes well we may get into another final...We showed Passion and intent last night maybe we will do an arsenal and have a late run of form...Stranger things have happened
MJ
'no namer' thats exactly my point, just because i havnt forgotton all the teams problems after we have 1 win, then you assume im obviously from manchester, thats pathetic, im just a realist, this is the worst season i can remember in years, dave {Ed001's Note - you forgot last season so quickly?}
Did you not here the fans chanting his name last nyt enuff said
mrbrown
Haha the last 20 Ed001 :( but ''next season will be our season'' lol dave
You can see the quality is there dave, its just consistency we're struggling with, and the determination to play at our best even against lesser teams. It's also undeniable that at times this season we have shown large periods of domination and nice football against all the top teams.
That alone is a massive improvement on last season when we went games at a time without even putting together a good passing move.
I'm also curious as to how you calculated that we have "wasted 120m on players".... please show me your working.
Carroll and Suarez replacing Torres and Babel at the same price and on lower wages was, (admittedly in my opinion, but i think almost all reds would agree) a fantastic bit of business.
Enrique must be one of the signings of the season having completely eliminated our left back woes and was a steal at 6m.
Charlie Adam is at the VERY least a good squad player at the price we paid for him.
So you can only really mean Henderson and Downing, which i think come to around 36m altogether (may be wrong but still somewhat off 120m) - and Downing's been looking good recently, whilst henderson is clearly one for the future and has shown some smart passing.
You must also know that loads of our less than perfect results this season could have gone our way on a different day, were it not for a couple of inches misplacing of shots, some fantastic goalkeeping, and maybe a little luck.
Think about it dave, are you really unhappier watching us right now than you were when we were in a relegation scrap and losing to any team that fancied us last year?
x
p.s. And we've got another pot in the cupboard! cheer up mate!
14 Mar 2012 17:29:09
I do not normally do posts like this but I would like to give my opinion on our team for the remainder of the season, and who I would like to see come in the summer.
My team for the rest of the season;
Reina
Kelly Skrtel Agger Enrique
Spearing Henderson
Gerrard
Suarez Carroll Bellamy
Subs; Doni, Carragher, Johnson, Adam, Downing, Maxi, Kuyt
Assuming we don't get CL, here is who I would like to see next summer. I think we need a CB to challenge Agger and Skrtel, a CM, a winger, and a striker. I would go for;
Benatia- 9-12m. Versatile defender, and has some potential.
Borja Valero- 8-10m. CM for Villareal. Would work well with Lucas and Gerrard.
Gaston Ramirez- 12-15m. Highly rated winger for Bologna. I fear if we don't try to get him this summer we never will.
Radamel Falcao- 30-35m. People are going to say I'm deluded with this one. Maybe I am. But we have to do everything possible to get this guy. An out-and-out striker, he is just who we need to put our numerous chances away. Suarez could drop a little deeper and play more as a 'number 10' with Falcao up front.
Rafa's Purple Goatie
P.s sorry for the long post.
Falcao cost Atletico 40Million Euros he would be sold for higher than that
MJ
Agree except for Valero. As lightweight as Meireles
I like Hendo and think he did well last night but I wouldn't start him for every game. I'd play 4-4-2 with Bellamy on the right and Downing on the left and Spearing-Gerrard combo in midfield and the obvious Suarez and Carroll upfront strikeforce.
BthekingB
I'd sooner see us sign Soldado than Falcao, and he'd probably be cheaper. Luuk De Jong also looks a good prospect and would be cheaper and younger than both.
As for the rest of the team, I personally don't see us signing any cms as a 4-4-2 next season would see both Henderson and Adam benched, not to mention Spearing and Shelvey. So I think a cm is both unlikely and not a priority.
I see a right winger as a huge priority, and if we only sign one player this summer it needs to be there. I personally think we should go all out for Hazard, but it seems unlikely he would join. I have faith in the scouting network to do their job as I haven't seen many of the wingers we're linked with play, but someone young, fast and skilful like Ramirez or Marin would be ideal assuming we don't go for Hazard.
As for the rest of the squad, I think Coates, Kelly and Carra are good back-ups at cb for another year at least, if Coates fails to impress and Wisdom doesn't develop then maybe sign a cb in a year's time but there's no rush now.
I also think we should move for Hoilett on a free as he's young and he's clearly got talent. I'd love to have him as an option to bring on to change a game, my only worry is that we could sign him and only him for the wing and I think we should be looking at more special players than that.
So for me, if we sign Ramirez, Hoilett and De Jong then we have a very strong first XI, some game-changers in the team, and 2 good players in every position:
Reina, Doni
Johnson, Kelly
Skrtel, Carragher
Agger, Coates
Enrique, Aurelio
Ramirez, Henderson
Gerrard, Spearing
Lucas, Adam
Downing, Hoilett
Suarez, Bellamy
De Jong, Carroll
I see Kuyt and Maxi leaving but if we get the above players, who combined would cost around 30m, we've got a fantastic team. If we sign Hazard for the right wing we've got an incredible team
Red Ollie
I only suggested Valero because I think we do need some like Meireles in our team/squad. If Lucas is DM is Gerrard is to play almost as a 2nd striker, we need someone with good vision and has good technique. I fear Martinez will be too expensive. Perhaps Strooman may be a better option?
Rafa's Purple Goatie
I think Strootman is goin to be a very good player and wouldn't be too expensive either.
Kev7
Think its going to be a chaotic transfer window (next one that is), many clubs competing for a few top players (Spurs might be there as well, if club is sold), there are at least 10 or more clubs with 'deeper pockets' than LFC. I just hope we don't end up with all the 'scraps' again, overated and expensive average players!!.
14 Mar 2012 17:17:41
Did anyone else laugh when Carra charged Anichebe (spelling) over the barrier.
MJ
Yeah that was funny he made sure he fell over the hoarding
red raj
14 Mar 2012 17:15:17
whats the odds on torres coming back i would have im back i think he knows hes made the biggest mistake he has ever done:what do other lfc fans think
Trigger61 {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}
I think you need to go back to the Chelsea page and stop trying to sell us that waste of space.
He made his bed....... {Ed001's Note - can you ask him to make mine for me, I have been putting it off all day....}
Agreed, he's a t**t and i never want him near Liverpool again. No one can claim to love a club and then talk about Lfc like he did when he left. Why does anyone want him back anyway? He's rubbish, he's scored far less than Andy Carroll and played far more games, yet Andy gets slated as being crap and Torres is wanted back. Get a life!!
KiwiRed
14 Mar 2012 17:11:20
Wow im impressed only about 10% Doom and gloom instead of the usual 90%...All the boys had a great game Good attacking football, Solid defence, We were the better team by a long way... I thought the way Suarez and Gerrard linked up was brilliant kinda reminded me of the way Torres and Gerrard used to link up back in the day
MJ
Ha, ha. A great result 'lifts the spirits' and increases the consumption thereof, hic!.
Shankly"s Red Army.
14 Mar 2012 16:55:57
Kenny should stop chopping and changing, settle on a First XI and play them for the remainder of the season. It's really hard to form a good understanding when different players come in each week. Singred
What happens when Lucas comes back
Replace henderson with lucas, simples
Gerrard will play more advanced lucas back to where he was with henderson or charlie adam.
gee man
14 Mar 2012 16:44:09
Ed when do u think redevelopment could start thanks
{Ed002's Note - There are no details right now but perhaps this summer.}
14 Mar 2012 16:35:09
Just one thing annoys about Anfield, why does our club not supply small plastic flags to each fan? This would be a great way to generate a better atmosphere. If Chelsea and City can do it why not us?
There is a reason they are called plastics...Liverpool fans can and have created 100 times better atmosphere than chelsea and city with their plastic flags lmfao!
We shouldn't need to give out flags to create an atmosphere!
And why would we want to copy City and Chelsea....
KJS
The original poster is a joke.
Indian Buzzer
They should give out those scouser wigs from the Harry enfield sketch show.. Atleast it would raise spirits
The atmosphere generated by flags and banner while singing YNWA is simply uncomparable to any other atmosphere in this world and I believe plastic is harmful to the world's ecology. So a resounding NO!
AJ
I think chelsea and city should upgrade to singing cardboard cut out supporters now that would be original.
gee man
Hav'nt you noticed all the scarve's on the Kop just before we sing YNWA? why would we need flag's?
14 Mar 2012 16:32:08
Great win last night! Excellent performance from all the lads! Hopefully our younger generation can replicate a similar performance tonight in the next gen series! I'll be there to cheer the lads on, is anyone else making there way to st helens for the game tonight?
St. Helens Red
14 Mar 2012 16:19:06
first of all brilliant to gerrard score a ha-trick against everton. Only better if it was against man utd. Anyway lfc linked with dembele today do you know anything eds? {Ed002's Note - Looks no more than speculation on a web site.}
14 Mar 2012 16:24:58
Hi eds, I'd be interested to hear your opinion on something.
With our poor league positions the last 2 seasons and the unlikelihood of getting top 4 this season, it can't be easy to attract top players. I dont mean that we can't sign good players, just that we don't have the pulling power we did three years ago.
With this in mind, how crucial do you think a good finish in the FA Cup would be? Liverpool, Carling Cup champions, FA Cup quarter finalists and 6th in the league is one thing; Liverpool, Carling Cup and FA Cup winners is another.
Just wondering if you think we have the pulling power to attract our targets in the summer. I think we should but I also think that winning the FA Cup would give us a huge boost over the likes of Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal when it comes to attracting players and could be absolutley vital come summer
Red Ollie {Ed005's Note - We don't know who the targets are so its impossible to say what pulling power we have. We can still get top players and I'm sure an FA and Carling Cup win would help that. We are a work in progress, we need patience.}
14 Mar 2012 15:51:06
why is everybody on here talking about suarez leaving ? has he ever said he wants to go ?
14 Mar 2012 15:50:20
Gerrard 400th league game last night, But just seen a stat that he has missed 119 league games through injury, thats shocking
A massive chunk of them last 12 months. He a legend
FowlerisGod
We are lucky to have him , look at other world class players , - rvp , being unlucky with injury is part of the game , 400 games for the phiscal way steven plays is great , what planet are you on.............lfc
You're right lfc. RVP has only played 180 odd league games since his debut in 2004.
The Real KB
About Stevie
He has 400 EPL games
But many more in the
League Cup
FA Cup
UEFA Cup
Champions etc.
That need to be added to the 400 EPL appearances
666
Lfc.... should you not be over on the manc page with all your mates? plastic fan
No mate............um, but you can always go back there as you support them.............lfc
Over the 10 seasons, excluding this one as it hasn't finished yet, going back to 2001-02 Gerrard has averaged 31.3 games per season in the league.
Certainly not as bad as the OP makes out...
Matt S - YNWA
14 Mar 2012 15:49:42
ive not been on for a while, im shocked to read all the kenny bashing, i mean for f*** sake, we as supporters are apparently well known for our footballing knowledge, rome wasnt built in a day neither was the dynasty of liverpool football club. kenny has come in with a clear plan intune with the owners, last season and this season were a transitional period, next season we will star to see a new liverpool, a better liverpool, a liverpool that will start its march back to the top of the tree, im not saying we will win the title next season but we will certainly start making steps towards it. we have a squad based on young english players, add some foreign flair in the summer and a season of introducing talented youth.
be patient people
14 Mar 2012 15:45:46
Hi eds, any interest in following players:
Luuk de Jong
Sebastian Coe
Dusan Tadic
David Texeira
David Cameron
Kuba Blaszczykowski
Katy Perry
Moussa Sissoko
Anyone I can spell the name of
David Cameron is a natural right winger and Perry would give us massive options upfront!
I've heard Perry is an attractive prospect from the back and up top.
Resisted making jokes about coming from behind.
We won't sign Katy Perry as she is no long a good BRAND.
Dutchmal
14 Mar 2012 15:41:06
Serious question to the eds and fans: Given how any team can beat any team especially among the top clubs, how different would it be buying a player that could help us achieve 4th, to buying a player that could help us compete for the league itself? Not much I think.
NextGenRed {Ed002's Note - Players are bought to improve the squad, not with any subjective view of getting to a particular place in the league.}
Please ed 2 give it a rest. you obviously dont get what this guy is asking, youre too busy trying to come across as clever (as usual)
Dara D {Ed002's Note - Obviously I don't understand - so perhaps you can explain it to me then?}
Lol @ Dara D
This is the eds site, They can say whatever they like. If you don't like what you are reading go make your own site.
No one buys a player in view of them gaining a league position they just buy a player who will hopefully be the best they can afford.Newcastle Demba Ba bought by Newcastle as a fill in yet has proven to be a potent goal threat Torres bought by Chelsea to be a world beater wouldnt be surprised if he couldnt beat one out in the toilets
one eyed willy
Dara D - president of the Ed002 fan club... Lol
Wonder what the D stands for?
14 Mar 2012 15:37:20
"The Irritation of King Kenny"
Possibly a little bit of papering over the cracks last night - well that's what my blue-nosed brother-in-law suggested when we talked about the game afterwards. I wanted to disagree and point out the value of the win for us, but I was hesitant with other Liverpool things on my mind.
Steven Gerrard's heroics last night were well crafted with Suarez and yet I suspect this may be LS's last season with us. I wanted to tell my relative about our latest younger heroes and then I read that maybe Raheem Sterling is unsettled. Then I wonder what FSG are making of the current run of form and the ultimate question comes up. Will KK be allowed to finish what he started?
I have little doubt that along with Gerrard, Rush, Barnes, Callaghan, Hughes, Hansen and Smith, that KK will regarded as one of the greatest players and/or legends the club will ever have. I was trying to rack my brains and see if he is also the only person ever to have won the title as player, player manager and manager? Yet there are doubts and the media is smart enough to muddy the waters.
There was some sign last night that Henderson might have what we recognised last year, in the next year - if you follow the drift. We need Lucas back and I'm happy as ever to state that. I can't help feeling the club is in more of a state of flux than ever and this transition period seems to be an extended one (this time around) ...
My love for KK and all he has done for us does not disguise my impatience and certainly doesn't blind me to some of the poor decisions and comments KK and the club have made recently. I am still hunting for an answer to the PR gaffe perpetrated by Glen Johnson's crass comments last week. I am also still shaking my head at KK's suggestion that kit deals are a form of substitution in terms of success and admirable work for our current league position. I accept this view that since he took over last year the club has become stronger and more of a unified group. What I can't accept is that it is yet another year we are either rebuilding or getting ready for the next season. At some stage 'the next season' has to be the current one. It is something MUFC have managed to do and yet we fall away early on (for the past eight seasons in my mind) and yet still say we are just inches away - bit like topping up on PAYG with Vodafone when you are forever "three minutes away from the lower rate"! Last time I will only top up with a mere £20,000!
The fans will forever stand behind KK and yet I am not sure FSG will: they are running a business after all and expect a better return on an investment that so far has topped more than £100 million. By this time you'll be throwing your hands up in the air, calling me a few names and saying "everyone, ev_ery_one is behind KK!" This is not true. FSG hesitated for a while in naming him as manager and I do not believe they hold him in the same reverential way we do. This IS football; this IS the game where managers who win titles and are beloved by fans are sacked after doing a double. Make no mistake, if KK fails to achieve a high final placing this season or we falter in the early part of next season, FSG will look to replace him.
Writing this I hesiated at the third paragraph and considered the flak I would get for this. I still wrote on and make no apologies for the comments and suggestions. Before my break I was suggesting that we are a "massive club with a massive history." That's all recent and our fall from grace has only been halted by money, perceived status, history in Europe and our own self belief in the club. We are not the club we once were and still a long way from that. Since I first stepped onto the Kop in November 1961 I have been red thru and thru. There are thousands of us across the globe and yet anyone supporting us under 30 will be asking (without the Internet) what makes us think we are so big and glorious. Back again to a failing season, falling short and saying we are gearing up for next season.
Back to the opening paragraphs - can we afford to lose Suarez and maybe people like Sterling? Bit of a shock writing that I was on the Kop 50 years ago, but it made me think harder about time and how long we all have left. Not in that depressing way that makes you think of eternity (like waiting for the 28 bus in Bootle) but more about how long can we keep promising more than we deliver?
My dream is to see KK standing with that great smile on the edges of the pitch at Old Trafford as we beat MUFC 4-0 to win the PL. Nothing will surpass the smile on KK's face and the feeling that he has been elevated from superstar icon to deity status. Sadly I think it may not happen and in Boston the stirrings of corporate unease herald a new dawn for Liverpool FC.
SP
You need to stop taking the media so seriously mate!
Half the stories are simply not true or are twisted to portray the subject in the poorest light possible.
Comments made by players are constantly dredged up to support a point that is not implicitly stated.
If the questions they are asked are not printed, then the context of the answers cannot be determined.
Classic journalistic tactic!
The Sterling story is clearly just made up. The lads only 17, has always seemed happy enough playing for the reserves, has the chance to play in a european semi-final and gets to travel and train with the first team on a regular basis.
Why would he want to leave?
Dont Believe What You Read
I write what many of you read and therefore understand what the media is all about! Did you have a point to make about the original posting or just using it to make anorher loose point?
Such a negative post to follow what was a decent performance. Suarez's performances since his return from the ban and his reaction at us scoring goals does not look to me like a player wanting away any time soon. Plus the reaction from DC and the owners at wembley hardly looked like a divorcing couple to me.
I agree the club could be in a state of flux, but disagree with the transition is taking longer. The owners and manager have only been in situ for just over a year and they were never going to remedy the previous 5,10 years of mis-management in that short a time.
If as some have suggested you work in the media SP, then surely you of all people should understand GJ right to freedom of speech regardless of the topic. Whilst I agree is was stupid but for me no more than the comments made by P McGrath either during the incident or since. You should also know the media will create a story were none exist regardless of fact.
Also comparing us to MUFC is, in my opinion a cheap shot. They have had a solid base of stability and strength from which to build, we have not. Even with their success they have managed to make mistakes, but as I said they have done that from a stable platform which has allowed them to "swallow" these mistakes.
I have no doubt about your support for the club, as we all have, but as mentioned as the beginning of this post for me it's negative. - TMac
It is too easy to hammer the team and KK and then say nasty things about the poster - I would understand that. Yet it is also very easy just to bury a head in the sand and say everything is fine and it will be alright on the night. This is what we have been doing for a long time.
As for the cheap MUFC shot - totally bemused by that - perhaps you could elucidate?
As far as GJ is concerned and his comments - NO ...... as I said in a few posts last week it was a crass thing to do. The player should have avoided the topic and the club should have instructed him not to speak about it. Free speech that causes a damaging reaction is not that free!
As for things looking rosy in the garden (divorcing couple et al) then I bow to your knowledge of the owners' finances and their undoubted happiness at spending north of £100 million for a top six finish and the League Cup so far.
We are ALWAYS described as a work in progress and I reject the idea it was a negative post. It can be seen as negative if you're blindly thinking we will get 'there' in the end no matter how long the journey.
SP
U missed the point m8! The people with doubts about KK are not getting it from reading the media but watching the games and the the results!!! U need to take that seriously mate.
So basically you think that FSG will remove 2 of the club's current 3 (kenny & luis) icons who are predominantly revered by a huge percentage of the fans. these are the same owners that have said that they understand the club, the fans and what it stands for. you feel they will remove kenny regardless despite the possibility of the club securing a 2nd trophy in the f.a cup. to throw in the towel on kenny's project realistically 12 months into it come the end of the season. to then go and find europe's next 'AVB' who doesn't know the league and throw another kitty of £100million (to spend that is, not net spend like kenny has with 38million!) at the new manager's plans whilst trying to fund the redevelopment of anfield. i say europe's next 'special one' because there's not 1 british manager realistically ready to step up. owen coyle was suggested a while back, not happening. brendan rodgers is this years owen coyle and his experience just isn't there...yet. you say FSG had indecision about kenny but doesn't that contradict a contract that puts him in the top 10 highest paid manager's in the world, so say the papers and their rumours.
they the owners will have witnessed the catastrophe that happened with AVB and chelsea and would surely have took just as much notice as the rest of us especially when the papers were suggesting he was high on lfc's wishlist.
i don't believe the press rumours pretty much ever to be fair, i don't believe the way the owners embraced suarez after the carling cup final was an act and following luis suarez on twitter and his updates i have no belief in him wanting to leave anfield anytime soon. the photo of him touching the 'this is anfield' sign before the game last night just reiterated it for me too and how he feels.
many have 'grand' ideas of the removal of kenny on here, few have an answer on who is out there to produce better 'proven' experienced progress, who is available and also wants the job!
oh yeah, forgive me as i forgot 'the special one' will be available (so the papers say) for circa 200k a week after tax like he recieves currently at real madrid.
By your own words do you point the way!
Owners are naturally laws unto themselves and quality/winning managers like Ancelotti. del Bosque and even Megson have been chopped down on a whim. Whether the FSG say they understand what the club is about or not; even if they feel they appreciate the respect and admiration for KK or not, they will not appreciate their $$$$$$ drifting away on a love affair and it is naive to think they will.
KK is possibly one of the most respected managers in the PL with the support of fans and a reputation to match. If we find that remains and yet we find ourselves constantly mired in and around the league position we are in (and have been in or around for most of the past 12 years) then do you expect fans to say, "Finishing fifth and winning the League Cup is great with me. We've got Kenny as manager!"?
It doesn't work for me.
The cynicism and scepticism surrounding the media is in many ways justified and I can throw my hands up with the best of them and say, yes, it happens. But it is also worth remembering that a majority of fans form some of their ideas and opinions on what they read, allied to what they see.
On Suarez: I think he has enlightened our game and given us a new hero. I also fully accept that a bigger Qatari paycheck and chance of a 'new start' in Ligue 1 would certainly turn his head. It would not surprise me (but depress me) if he left.
Saying things about Suarez, commenting on the worries about KK and saying "I read, watch and listen to the media" is not taboo by the way. I watch the games and I talk to my fellow fans. I read the papers, listen to the radio (even the abysmal talkSH**E) and then form my own opinions. Unlike certain religions were even mentioning the great one's name is a reason to be killed, it isn't the same in this UK with football.
I am not advocating KK's departure and if you read the original post, I am a great supporter of the club and Kenny. What I am saying is it could happen and our recent form and off the field PR disasters have made this seem to me, a lot closer. Do not take my words as gospel and also don't believe that what you write is spot on. These are all opinions. The opinions that really count are those of John Henry and Tom Werner and a few Americans investors back in Boston. When they make decisions they don't kiss any badge and weep tears of love for KK, Suarez or the battered 'This Is Anfield' sign in the tunnel. They keep a clear head and check the figures.
SP {Ed001's Note - sorry but did you just call Megson a 'quality' manager? Hahahaha!}
......./winning managers. There is a difference hence the forward slash and he was winning with Sheffield Wed before they dumped him.
14 Mar 2012 15:29:46
Great team performance last night and although Stevie is in the headlines for his goals I think that one thing was overlooked by the press. Jay Spearing played brilliantly in the holding midfield role and his contribution let Stevie loose further up the pitch than he would have been if Adam had been there. Don't get me wrong, I think Adam is a good squad member but we needed someone to protect the defenders and give Stevie the space to cause damage in the final third. That's exactly what Spearing did and we played a lot better for it. SJB
We will never win the league with spearing, he is good honest squad player at best. he will struggle when the better teams come at us. Good Lucas understudy. We played very well but Everton did not offer much going forward.
Spearing played really well, i was very impressed with enrique, no 1 got past him, he was immense
I thought Spearing was poor last night actually, they consistently found space between our defence and attack and Spearing was often nowhere to be found
Red Ollie
You need a squad to win the league and Jay is a squad player. Will lose his place when lucas is fit but he miles better defensively than adam. Thought he was superb last night
Spearing may be a squad player but he is miles ahead of charlie 'sloppy' adam.
Indian Buzzer
I don't think that Spearing was the sole reason for our victory yesterday per se, but I do think that we have missed someone playing in that midfield 'anchor' role that let's the other players get forward. Whether that should be Spearing, Lucas or someone else that's up to Kenny and his staff but it was evident last night that having someone play in that role is important to us playing well. SJB
For me Spearing and Lucas can both play the DM role efficiently but neither are good enough long term. Think of Souness and McMahon. Both tough ball winners who could intimidate the opposition, drive the tempo of a game, setup a chance and weigh in with a good amount of goals. Everything Spearing and Lucas cannot.
Maybe Spearing cannot but Lucas has showed he can except so much with the goal's but he is still young and has/is alway's improving his game!
14 Mar 2012 15:04:08
Hi fellow reds and eds, just a quick question, wat has happened to Adams free kicks, corners and Pens? He was one of the best in the league while he was at blackpool, what's going on?
Gaz b
He is now not very good and would be one of the first i sell in the summer. saying that he seems a decent bloke
Very good question Gaz b. I was lambasted a couple of weeks ago fro saying that Adam had been a disappointment from set pieces and I'm glad someone else agrees and after last nights performance I don't think Spearing should be dropped for the Stoke game. Charlie Adam needs to work harder to wear the Liverpool shirt on a regular basis
I also agree his corners are dreadfull they barley if at all beat the first man
The loss of his confidence happened
14 Mar 2012 14:23:54
One thing worried me last night and that is how reliant we are on Stevie G, I think FSG and Comolli really need to be scouting for a replacement - even breaking the bank to bring someone in who has his ability.
I know we have Shelvey, Coady, Suso etc.. but Stevie was miles ahead of them at their age.
I watch a lot of football and im stumped does anyone have any ideas on a long term replacement for Stevie?
NS
No ideas on a replacement or if we need it but i would love to see someone else 'step up to the plate', or take some pressure off stevie. However i have to agree with the edds that his presence alone can be over bearing on the team. Sometimes to the detriment of the team but then others when he is on fire. Talk about stuck between a rock and a hard place with him.
BUT WHAT A ROCK
Taffy tel
Gerrard is probably one of the greatest players to grace Liverpool and the premier league.... You simply can't replace him, like you just can't replace the likes of him -McMenemy
The truth is we will never replace Stevie G. His the player of his generation. There not the sort of guys you can replace like for like. There will probably only ever be one and im so happy his been on our side!
Idk if he was miles better. Better, but not by a big amount. The players there have what it takes to become a great
14 Mar 2012 14:18:47
I agree with staying at anfield. It has to be the best option, if we get to 60,000 capacity that should be enough.The history of anfield would be to hard to walk away from. I just hope we do not sell our naming rights like newcastle. Also we do not have the prawn sandwich eaters like arsenal so we don't need extra executive boxes. And besides why would we spend 300 million pus on a new stadium only to have 20-25 thousand more seats it makes little sense.
Red raj
We would all like this to happen, however in order to compete financially in the long-term we probably will need a new stadium with naming rights and/or executive boxes. We may not like the 'prawn sandwich brigade' but at the end of the day, they are the ones that will put their hands in their pocket and give the club needed funds. We do not have a sheikh mansoor type (nor would I want one as I don't want us to rely on one single person), so that means we have to look at other ways on raising revenue. At the moment, even if the very best wanted to play for us, it is unlikely that we could afford their fees, wages etc. Similarly, if we in demand players, can we afford to keep them (raising their wages). I don't mean to be pessimistic, I'm just realistic.
Rafa's Purple Goatie
I agree with avoiding over-'corporatising' a re-developed stadium. That was a down side to the new Wembley for me personally.
But I fear that it is where much income is generated from.
What's the score with Chelsea ed002 please ? Stamford Bridge capacity is less than Anfield but they generate more match day income - price structure and corporate clients presumably ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - Exactly. Capacities are pretty much the same but corporate income at Chelsea is higher and they have been playing more home games a season because of Europe. All of that adds up.}
Hmm, I am not in favour of Anfield going all corporate. Unless it were possible to increase corporate sponsorship / income to the extent that it could off-set match ticket prices eg Bayern Munich model. Huge corporate income, cheap match entrance for the humble punter.
And without affecting overall capacity too much.
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - The owners have already pointed out taht they know there is a cap on corporate income and that they know that they will not be able to match the London based clubs - so no need to worry.}
There seemed to be few empty seats last night from what I could see. Perhaps 60.000 is enough if it lets us stay at Anfield. We do need to increase corporate income significantly but that doesn't mean a sell out to the prawn sandwich brigade.
Redpath
60K capacity would be fantastic, and sustainable long term.
Pointless building a massive ground and not filling it. Alliance arena is 66K capacity, and look how spectacular it is (world class venue) and also shared. Munich is a big city, yet they opted for sustainability and long term revenue generation and certainty.
14 Mar 2012 14:15:02
Hello Ed002,
maybe I'm just too excited after last night's performance and scoreline but looking into Liverpool's calandar til the end of the season, winning every game is not out of the question. Maybe it'll give the club a chance to fight for fourth. Cheers.
The same was posted week's ago!
14 Mar 2012 14:12:52
Now...THAT was more like it! Absolutely brilliant performance last night...so enjoyable to watch.
I'll be the first to put my hand up and say I have been severely critical of the club and management for their performances this year and as much as one game does not a season or a turnaround make, today is a day to accentuate the positives:
* Anfield was absolutely rocking! Great vibe even watching it on t.v....must have been something to behold live.
* fabulous to see KK play 2 up front--showed real ambition and intent to win the game
* the team played with such energy, drive and passion...OUTSTANDING. They really looked proud to be part of LFC.
* I have been particularly hard on Carroll but, last night, for the FIRST time in an LFC uniform (despite others who claim he's been showing signs for some time) he was a force: won headers, had some beautifully deft touches, really hustled and came back to defend stoutly...well done (won't mention the 'sitter' he missed from a beautiful Suarez setup...even though I just did).
I find it ironic that last night's performance only confirms he is not a striker (at least in the conventional sense) but, if he puts in that kind of effort consistently, no question, he can be a strong contributor to the team.
* Luis Suarez was the man! Provided his ususal trickery and brilliance but, what stood out for me was how valuable he is creating goals. Imagine him teamed up with a real striker (was supposed to be Torres)...goal problem solved! Simple as that!
Also, loved how Suarez just got on with playing the game last night and minimized his usual histrionics and complaining. It looked like he was out there thoroughly enjoying himself and his team.
* Captain Fantastic...what can you say about Stevie...BRILLIANT!
Anyway, positively beaming after that performance!
It may be too little too late (for this season), we still need some key additions and as stated, you have to be careful not to read too much into just one game (where we played well and actually got results...not just played well) BUT, if last night was the point where KK and the players discovered the secret formula...where inexplicably, everything just came together...then maybe, there is reason to be hopeful. Time will tell just how much of an inflection point last night was but, I see that game as a far more pivotal moment than our Carling Cup victory...because for the first time we actully realized our potential...NOW...is the time to see if this spurs us on to bigger and better things.
Finally, I don't apologize for being harshly critical of the team--it was warranted. In defense of the fans that have been critical, we are doing so not because we are Mancs in disguise (which is the easy and lazy way to dismiss us)...but rather, because we care and because we KNOW what the team is capable of. If LFC is capable of better, why should we, or them...or you...settle for medicority? By even the most optimistic standards, no one can dispute we have underperformed and have failed to meet the expectations set by management itself so, of course people will be critical.
If we played like we did last night throughout the season, there is NO team that we need fear and 4th place--at an absolute minimum--would be a foregone conclusion. Sad that it took this long to realize our full potential but, if the magic formula was discovered last night and we play like this going forward, perhaps the wait can be overlooked. We've now truly seen what the team is capable of, it's time to deliver these kinds of performances on a consistent basis.
Anyway, great job LFC!
Ooops! Forgot to sign the post...
Digital Man!
14 Mar 2012 13:59:27
Somebody needs to give Jose Enrique a bigger jersey, it always looks like its about to rip apart LOL
AG
No he's just hench :)
He is a unit - my favourite thing from last night him taking Baines completely out with a shoulder barge!
YNWA jns
14 Mar 2012 13:58:51
Hi ed(s) if we are to believe Macca (and I have no reason to suggest we don't) and we are staying at anfield how much do you think we could raise it's capacity by?
Thanks
Tom {Ed002's Note - It would likely be phased over several years but probably eventually to 60k.}
Thanks for that, what was the rejovernation of Fenway park like? How did it end up looking? {Ed002's Note - It was a radical change to a very old stdium. I have no been there for quite a few years and certainly not since the recent changes. You can draw no comparisons with Anfield.}
14 Mar 2012 13:57:27
Macca maybe right we may stay at Anfield - the question is will it be called Anfield surely for redevelopment naming rights money will be needed.
Just a thought.
It will always be Anfield to me!
YNWA jns
I thought Ian Ayre said if we stay at Anfield we wouldn't have a stadium sponsor. A stadium sponsor would only be sought if we were to build a new stadium.
RedSG
14 Mar 2012 13:22:37
Well played last night boys. I said they would win 3-1 so wasn't far off. I am afraid for Liverpool when the time comes for Stevie to retire. Can we turn him into a bionic man and give him some robotic limbs to carry on.
Frog.............
14 Mar 2012 13:21:19
Liverpool always be successful against any premiership team that leave 5 first team player out. We can only hope OPR will do the same for Liverpool.
Bitter
14 Mar 2012 13:15:36
Hi edds or anyone else in the know
Does anyone know how Lucas is comming along?
14 Mar 2012 12:58:28
Hang on WOW hold your horses!
Are you just gonna accept Macca(tho is nearly 100% spot on all the time with accurate and interesting info) and the well thought out opinion of the Eds?
So we are staying at Anfield?
What about Huyton Red and the others, what about the mega multi nationals queuing out the door for naming rights? The 80k seater we would never fill?
Are we now just meant to dismiss their pipe dreams?
Surely NOT!
Spot on mate, have allways thougt we would not fill a huge stadium, .
I know others would say yes we would but i doubt it.
Im from the 1970s back then we were on average bout 44,000 sure big games we would sell out at 55,000-56,000 but we allso had our carling cup games of 28,000.
The demographs are not there for a 75,000 stadium, wish they were but all older supporters on here know its a long shot,
martin p
p.s how many on here would enjoy the mancs comeing on here and laughing if we didnt fill a stadium EVERY GAME,,
14 Mar 2012 12:21:10
Anyone know where I can watch the Nextgen game online tonight?
Cheers
Wiziwig.tv.
its says next generation tounament from18.30 to 22.00
Its on LFC tv why don't you support your club and buy a lfc.tv subscription?
Why don't you support a fellow poor fan and get one for him?
14 Mar 2012 12:36:01
Was absolutely great watching liverpool play the way they played last nigh. The had speed ,fight, tempo was high and they moved the ball quicker den they usually do which resulted in more clear cut chances then previous games.henderson had an awful first half but got into the game much better into the second.gerrard scored goals that where created by suarez even andy carrol is starting to show some neat n deft touches and holding the ball up. If we can continue to play like this the entire season and scoring goals the is no reason why we cannot finish forth
Actually the reason is that it is unlikely that arsenal drop 10 points in the remaining games. We need serious luck to get champions league
14 Mar 2012 12:26:47
Macca or Eds
Firstly, great news about staying at Anfield. But when will the redevelopments take place. Will they do it in pre-season (not neccessarily this year, but this time of year). Or will they do it mid-season. If this is the case or it takes a long period of time, will we have to move to another ground during this time. May we have to move to Goodison!
A lot of questions, id appreciate if you could answer as many as possible.
Cheers
MAdge {Ed002's Note - There are no details right now but I am sure Liverpool will not be moving ground. It will certainly take a while to complete.}
14 Mar 2012 12:09:50
Right I was thinking (after another excellent performance) about Martin Kelly and the current situation of him not being able to play because of Glens insistence on playing in a position he's actually rubbish at.
I have the solution I think.
Glen refuses to play RW and is contractually allowed to play RB. Kelly is a much better RB than Glen but Glen is good going forward. Glens contract stops us from moving him forward.
Solution: Play Kelly at RW and Johnson at RB, since all Glen does is run forward and never defend anyway he will always be on the right wing. As Kelly is much more defensively astute he will drop back and do the defending that Johnson doesnt (which is almost all of it). Boom Glen gets the position he wants while we dont have to suffer his abysmal marking.
Just to recap Glen still plays RB but behind Kelly who will play RW and drop back when Glen pushes forward, Glen cant whinge that his contract is being broken then.
Anyone else agree?
Nevada
Or just dont play Johnson at all
Has he really got that in his contract (glen's) ? if so what a joke.
It's utter nonsense...how many times has GJ played at LB for us?
Milamber
14 Mar 2012 12:04:22
Just a question out of curiosity more than anything else. How will City and Chelsea comply with FFP?
United have big debts and some high earners but we all know that they are in top 5 most profitable clubs every year and have a large enough stadium. Arsenal always look after their money and again have a good capacity stadium.
City and Chelsea don't. Their merchandising sales cant be that high either given that their global brand is not even that well known. I know that some will say abramovic and arab funded, but clubs can no longer accept an influx of cash from owners like they could before.
Reason I ask is because I want to know, if we re-develop anfield (As Macca said) and increase the capacity, will that put us on a more even financial footing with Arsenal and Man UTD? Really due to our history and extensive fanbase we should surpass City and Chelsea in relation to income. Could an ED help me out here?
Nevada {Ed002's Note - In terms of annual turnover Liverpool sit between Chelsea and Manchester City. Increasing the ground capacity will obviously bring a medium term return on the required investment, once the loans for the redevelopment are paid off. As details are scant we may not be able to quantify that for a while. As to compliance with the rules, both Manchester City and Chelsea will show that they are heading in the right direction as they look to be more financially self-sufficient and spending less each year. Right now they face very different problems. Manchester City need to sell players to invest further in the squad. They cannot sustain so many senior players out on loan (Adabayor, Santa Cruz etc.) and I suspect that there will be a cleansing this summer which should bring in a decent financial return. Chelsea's problem is that the core of the squad has been together for a long time and have gotten older at the same time. There will not be a great return financially so there will be financial support provided from the owner to refresh the squad. They have made a lot of investment at a youth level and this, they expect, will mean they are well placed in the future. At present, I would not worry too much about the FFP rules and any potential punishments arising. The redevelopment of Anfield will certainly not put Liverpool on the same financial footing in terms of matchday income as Manchester United or Arsenal, but may well bring it up the the existing level of Chelsea - but they too are looking to redevelop. Liverpool are doing well in terms of corporate sponsorship with FSG continuing the good work of H&G in that area. Merchandising is likely to be a growth area for Liverpool and I am sure it is already ahead of Manchester City and Chelsea, and possibly even Arsenal.}
Don't forget the cost of all those new managers every year or two at Chelsea now ed002 !
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - It is offset by Champions League money KB.}
14 Mar 2012 11:57:27
Great win last night. Everybody played well and for a moment...Caroll even looked quick footed.
I woke up today though feeling annoyed and I couldnt figure out why. 3-0 against the blues, I should be happy. Did anyone play badly? No. Did I like team selection and tactics? yes. So what is it?
Then I worked it out. I'm annoyed because we played so well. Why didnt they play this well against the numerous sides who came to anfield and left with points that didnt belong to them. Why didny they play this well against Bolton etc. I liked it better when we kept getting bad results because I could console myself by saying the players werent good enough, now we have seen proof they are. Which means they simply couldnt be bothered against some of those lower placed teams... and thats much worse than not being good enough.
Motivation seems to be an issue this season in places, which is why lower placed teams think Anfield is the place to come if you want some points away from home. This issue is much worse than having players that arent good enough and its an issue that I hope Kenny will fix by start of next season.
Nevada
Maybe the team is clicking and things will be fine from now on!;) Does that help?
Keith
Bad team selection might have been the cause of poor performance
14 Mar 2012 11:50:12
don't be fooled by one result people one swallow never made a summer. Dalglish still gas a lot to answer for.why does that runt spearing keep geting in the team he is dreadfull. I still want to see a new manager for next year.
If you are not happy go and support another team then.
Spearing played well, they all did last night!!
Keith
We won but we are still 7th that shows how rubbish we are. Chelsea sacked their manager and he still had more points then kenny.
Numpty,the reason gerrard got forward with ease was because spearing did the dirty work and stayef in the hole,which adam jist cant seem to do,spearing played well YNWA
NIKO
14 Mar 2012 11:40:21
great result last night lads , stevie was superb, billybhoy
14 Mar 2012 11:20:55
Morning all,
Well done last night lads, great performance and got the result the performance deserved. I wanted to make a big point about Skrtel. I am in agreement that he has been one of, if not the player of the season for us. I've been thinking a lot about this and I genuinely believe a lot of this is down to Agger. If you watch Skrtel of the past, when he was receiving criticism, I think he was a bit confused of his own playing style so he tended to mirror his partnering centre back to a degree.
When he played at centre back with JC he tried to play like JC does, deeper, last man, throw the body in type style. JC is excellent at playing like this because he has to, this is his game, not Skrtel's though and quite often he would get caught out. Now, after a run of games with Agger, he is happy on the ball, running it out of defence like Agger does, he started to mirror Agger and actually realised this is his game also, not as much as Agger perhaps but definitely more comfortable playing not as deep as JC, he comes forward a lot quicker to close down, when he's on the ball he no longer hoofs it up the park or passes it straight away, he is a lot more composed with the ball.
Now Agger has been out for a couple of games, Skrtel still seems to play his own game now instead of mirroring his partner in CB and I think this has been the main difference with him. He has finally found his game, his real style of play and he's happy playing it whoever he starts at CB with. I do believe you will see much more consistancy with his play now because of this and when Agger is back, to have 2 CB's who actually enjoy running the ball from defence which automatically opens up space for our midfielders, opening up space for our attackers suddenly the congestion breaks down and we finds the gaps even when teams do come to park the bus. And JC as cover,mentor to both of these whilst Coates finds his feet adjusting to the new culture as well as team.
Same again against Stoke please.
JFT96
YNWA
WelshScouse
14 Mar 2012 11:14:10
Does that mean we will be extending he capacity of Anfield?
Thanks for the update Macca
GJ
I noticed an Everton flag in a window of a house on Sarries Street last night. I remember Huyton Red saying that there were residents and Blue Noses living near the ground that were making things tough for the club in their attempts to progress Compulsory Purchases Orders.
As it is now, there's maybe room to extend the Main Stand and Anfield Road.
Not The Kop.
Centenary Stand, doubtful.
The Real KB
14 Mar 2012 10:54:02
i think we are gunna win every single game untill the end of the season a clinch top 4
Some realism please, its good to be optimistic but its folly to be drunk on it!
You must be on the funny tabacco again
red raj
FA Cup win, 5th place would be okay for me.
HK
I agree with the original post...of course, I am also of the belief that if that rather fetching Cheryl Cole were to ever cross paths with me, she'd ditch that plastic dude (oh, how I hate that guy!) and beg me...just beg me to be her man...at which time I'm gonna play hard to get just to rub it in!
By the way, I'm 750 lbs, got no hair or teeth and and I'm unemployed (but, in a charming sorta way).
To the original poster, apparently we've got one thing in common: we're both delusional!
14 Mar 2012 11:04:48
This is not a rumour but please post it. This is with regard some ridiculous articles regarding Suarez that he can't score he won't assist etc.
First thing he is on a bad patch he will be the 1st to admit it, secondly it depends on the players around him, yesterday the link up play between Stevie was top class that was only possible because Stevie had the intelligence, technical ability and quality. It was Adam in his position Suarez wouldn't be able to provide the assist he won't even get the space he got. Any one who says he can't provide assists just look at last season videos of how he single handedly gave hatricks to Maxi and Kuyt,( ok not single handedly Kuyt and maxi were intelligent enough to read and compliment Suarez) Try telling Forlan Huntellar etc that Suarez is selfish and doesn't provide his strike partners goals. With all due respect with Downing and Adam around him you won't get 1% of his best, a classic example is Messi with Argentina.
About his goals they too will come, which obviously I won't blame anyone else, but I have seen him play and he can finish no matter what people say he has done it in World cup Copa America outclassed Messi and Neymar there he will do it here too
TCN_YNWA
Did you just compare Suarez to Messi?
The Moon.
Hey moon beam what about uniteds rooney the white pele banner
14 Mar 2012 10:57:15
dear ed
just read an interesting article on BBC News site about Soccer Site: the facility which provides detailed commentary for blind/partially sighted fans at the ground. Do we provide such a service at the mo. Just out of interest.
Keep up the good work eds, and again what a top result ayer!
daveinspain {Ed002's Note - Yes, Liverpool have 36 visually impaired spaces with headsets provided upon request.}
Reading this reminds me of a story.
both my parents are blind and whilst a kid my dad andhis brother took me to a game and we stood on the kop.
my uncle was to give my dad a running commentary as we soaked up the atmosphere - after about 20 minutes a bloke tapped my uincle on the shoulder and said "ere lad let me do it" and the fella began the commentary for my dad. unto this day my dad says the fella should have been a commentator on the radio as his description was perfect for my dad.
just a memory i thought i would share and if your that fella CHEERS mate you made a blind man visualise his greatest love LFC in a way no other man has ever done
bigg
What a great story Bigg, love it.
Been hiding from this site for a week or so as i could feel the evil emanating from peoples fingers after the disappointment of the previous results. Up above this post some happy person has described Spearing as a 'runt'. For crying out loud - when did liverpool fans stop being the kind of people Bigg describes above and start being misanthropes?
(or am i getting wound up by no name jokers from other sites. Fingers crossed I am)
I. Am. Pleased. With. The. Result.
Joff
Cheers Joff
bigg
Great post Bigg. Made feel feel better during a soul destroying day at work.
Red Greco
Cheers Red Greco glad i could improve your day a little.
bigg
Great post bigg.that is the power of sport
INDIAN SCOUSER
Yeah, spot on Bigg. And Joff too.
The Real KB
Only on the Kop hey bigg's! Salt of the earth!
14 Mar 2012 10:53:26
So where are you Kenny haters now huh?
LeeWils
The vast Majority of People who criticize Kenny are not Kenny haters
Wait till we get beat again, this board will light up.
The problems with the squad are still there one win over a depleted Everton team is not the cure for our ills.
A bit more Deepth of thinking and you'll find one of the major problems - here's a clue - a poor squad with little cover for vital areas and a seemingly unwillingness of Kenny to identify it and correct it, after all he calims he's happy with the squad and he should not be happy with it.
666
Lol,we just won 1 game,everton rested their best players for the fa cup,Cahill,osman,jelavic just to name a few didn't start.we have spent 100m and we are 7th,so don't get carried away just yet.kenny will step down end of season.
The vast majority may not be KK haters 666, but you are. Since last year we have cleared out the expensive old brigade and brought in better players to improve the squad. There was no movement in January, probably because the right players weren't available, but also because more new players would mean more disruption. KK has always said this is a long term project. People like you jump in half way through and make judgements as if this is a final and complete package. You have no patience and probably less intelligence.
Kev
Kev 2 of the most expensive old brigade are still here in Carragher and Johnson. If the business of LFC is so important to FSG, then they are the first 2 that need to leave in the summer. Oh but I forgot, we cant say that about Carragher because apparently he is a legend so people say!
Steve
Ah Kev
How did you make these connections about me, by what logic except the neurons firing in you brain when you read something that was not there and its just you own reflections that are surfacing.
What has the last 20 years of patience brought?
Please join the dots when using logic.
don't assume its makes an Ass of U and me
666
14 Mar 2012 10:43:43
Everyone is saying to me, I dont like spearing he puts his hands up too much and orders the other fellow pros about and only plays it simple. I would rather have Henderson or Adam in the centre. My answer is, its like Jessie J says "Its not about the money, money, money" "Forget about the price tag".
Worst post ever?
I understand the original poster totally, Spearing does try to control the play by flapping his arms around like some sort of puppet master! Young Jay sort it out mate or as Will Young would say "i think u better leave right now!"
Wee Jay i am talking about by the way.
14 Mar 2012 10:26:08
How good where our fullbacks last night? Jose should be spains first choice left back and Kelly should be our first choice right back. Obviously captan fantastic wins the plaudits but those 2 were brilliant!!
FowlerisGod
I was thinking the same. I thought Kelly had lost a bit of form until I saw him last night. Unlucky not to get man of the match.
MIKEY
14 Mar 2012 10:22:05
Celtic fan here and i have always followed Liverpool as my 2nd team since the late 70's.
watched the game last night and Stevie G proved again last night that he is a world class footballer and for anyone to class Lampard in that bracket to me is comical.special mention for Kelly and Spearing who last night were both outstanding. we loved to see you get that 4th spot and win the FA Cup as it would be 2 trophies more than the manc reds will get this season and that would round off a very good season in progress with the King at the helm of the club.
Dont buy the s^n
YNWA
JFT96
Lubo25
14 Mar 2012 09:49:07
Well done Toni Silva on scoring your 1st goal for Northampton.
Marc
14 Mar 2012 09:43:42
I'm actually excited about Liverpool playing in the Eropa next season. Sure it might get tiring but we are close to favourites to win it, and that'll be the recod number the throphey's been won by a club!
Besides the opportunity to win a trophy, I'm most excited by the fact it will give some youngsters some game time. I think it would be made for Shelvey, Robinson to start fairly regularly and opportunities for Silva, Suso and Sterling amongst others.
Richards
The reason they are close to favourites to win it as you put it? Its its probably something to do with not knowing who the other clubs around europe erl be??
What a mickey mouse euro trophy to go with the english mickey mouse cup!
Be careful we might just turn into the mickey mouse team
Why denegrate a cup we have won in the past and may win in the future, if you are LFC I don't understand your attitude at all the UEFA win against Alaves was one of the most excitinf games I have ever seen.
A trophy is a trophy you go telling those birmingham fams who won it last year it was micky mouse and see what response you get, all English clubs are in it so why is it mickey mouse, I simply don't undersatnd your viewpoint
I very much doubt we will be favorites to win europa league. Dont forget inter, roma, bremen, bilbao, newcastle, udinese, most probably chelsea will also be in the competition.
Indian Buzzer
We might not be in the Europa next season!;)
Keith
We already are in the europa leage keith,we won the carling cup.use ur head fella
mr brown
Mr brown. He meant because we may be in the champions league
sparksy
14 Mar 2012 09:32:30
Gerrard was Superb no surpise to me last night.
I did not see that yard of pace he has lost according to some on here. Look at the burst of speed from the centre circle to set up his own third goal with the help of suarez.
Gerrard has not lost his shooting boots another complaint him by others.
Gerrard disrupts the team and the manager the most stupid complaint of all. Look at the reception he got from his team mates. Suarez and him could have got a room.
The first goal and the third goal were scored with Gerrards left foot, its great to be a two footed player, who has everything in his locker and many of you want to do away with him and find his replacement.
By Far Liverpool's best player AND NOT JUST LAST NIGHT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
The problem is with those around Gerrard they are just not good enough.
Oh and what a performance by Carra he did not put a foot wrong.
Even AC did well and managed to stay on his feet.
Instead of Blaming Liverpool's own for the problems in the squad, shift your gaze elsewhere, the squad is poor and has no proper cover in many vital areas, until that problem is resolved we we continue to start and stop with results going from one good result to a bad result.
Critical thinking peeps.
666
Two things spoilt last night if I'm honest! the first being everton showing a lack of respect by favouring the f.a cup which showed in their team selection and the other which its embarrassing is the game not being sold out!
So we need a bigger stadium when were winning and a smaller standium when we go thru a bad patch?
All the tickets were sold. It was a sell out.
The Real KB
666 - it was me that asked the question has Gerrard lost his shooting boots and a yard of pace im happy to admit that but until last night he hadn't shown any of us that he was over his injuries.
He obviously found his boots last night they must have been behind young Spearing's in the boot room.
As for his pace - I hope he is fully over his injuries because he was on fire last night and we need that Stevie G for the rest of the season.
YNWA jns
We Can't always Rely on Stevie
The physical & mental depends are just too high for one player
Other players need to step up but we do not have any of true quality
Remember Kenny was surrounded by exceptional players stevie is not and is judged too harshly
14 Mar 2012 09:05:36
Now picture last nights team with Agger and Lucas :)
TEEJAY 96
Yes lets have agger and lucas back and then have injuries to other key players that the squad can't cope with!
Injuries will come over the season no squad can remain injury free, unforrtunately our squad cannot cope very well with injuries.
Starting to see a problem?
666
Those who disagree think we can cope with injuries?
you're having a larf!
14 Mar 2012 08:52:46
if we win europa league next year do we qualify for champions league? that would mean two bites at the cherry next year...
sydred {Ed002's Note - No.}
Well, Winning that only guarantess another yer in Europa league. We'll have to finish in top 4 to make it to champions league.
Walk on. YNWA
14 Mar 2012 08:29:52
We had a good game against Everton Lite.
However the problem have not gone away.
Fundamental problems still exist in Kenny & the squad.
666
Be gone, red devil! Go back to your tomb at old toilet! Singred
Youre a fundamental problem
I am not a manc red devil.
Just a devil.
666
14 Mar 2012 07:44:31
Consistency is Key now!
Great win last night, lots of effort, passion and desire by all the players - shame we didn't see that at Sunderland.
The real test is not the Stoke game because I think the lads will put in another performance but the QPR and Wigan games away and home respectively these are the games we need to win to be a top side.
My only request - Kenny stick with the team you picked last night for a few games see if they can develop their understanding and grow their confidence.
Opta Liverpool: 11 - Liverpool have scored 11 goals in the 3 matches in which Steven Gerrard, Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll started together. Trio
Well done Stevie G proved again that you are top class!
YNWA jns
Can't agree more ... I don't care for FA Cup .. but lets give everything on the remainder of LEAGUE games .. else no top 4 finish ..no extra revenue in form of Champions League .. more money to be spent if required world class talent in team :(
14 Mar 2012 08:03:59
great result for us yesterday. everyone played brilliantly and gerrard was just exceptional. really impressed with kelly too, he our fututre in defense. even the site is more pleasing to read, the past week has been quite depressing. loved it when the kop was shouting dalglish's name after the first goal. It looked like a routine victory kind of like the 08-09 season.
we should go with the same team on sunday. bring on bellamy as a substitute. hopefully we can break stoke's wall and go to wembley.
amar
14 Mar 2012 07:46:17
So now I know what happend at sunderland...
our boys were made to perform under par keeping in mind the derby game 2 days later ....
I can't agree on that sorry...
with the position we are in right now and the no.of matches left to play .. I think we should've played sunderland game also with same tempo and hunger :(
last night's game was what we are capable of ... every damn guy in red shirt on the field was man of the match ..no giving away ball ...pressing and taking back possession ..and most importantly ..hunger to win it ..........
@#$#$#$#$ ..every game we should play like this x-(
Indian Red
14 Mar 2012 07:44:00
Very happy.
Hendo was obviously a bit off in general play, but given his great performance on the weekend and those few nice balls in the everton match, he's more than forgiven.
But my main point in this post is not only the obvious, in welcoming the beloved Stevie G back to his form of old!!
But i'd also like to congratulate Jay Spearing on his recent performances. His passing has been very good lately and his defensive work is not only tireless, but also much smarter than before. We have to remember the age of this kid, he's younger than Lucas still, so the future of our defensive midfield stocks are more than sewn up.
Red7.
I think that Charlie Adam needs to look and learn from last night's performance. That level of commitment is the very least that should be expected. And hopefully he will learn that letting go of the ball quickly (and forwards!) can create all sorts of havoc. I think Stevie's fantastic performance was due in many ways to the fact that he has confidence in Spearing behind him. That allowed him to go forward without fear.
Can't wait to get Lucas back too.
KJS
14 Mar 2012 06:44:07
spearing is a very, very important squad player.
Kaizer
14 Mar 2012 06:25:06
I have never seen this idea of having left footed player on the right wing and right footed on the left. The percentage play for me is to have downing on the left to whip crosses in and I would have Bellamy on the right. It slows everything down, especially on a counter attack when a player has to cut back to cross with his better foot. If crosses where coming in from the byline from both sides you would see a difference in carrolls scoring stats. Plus all the knockdowns he would provide for Suarez and the midfielders bursting into the box.
Gazza
Enrique can cross from LEFT for christ sake .. put downing on right ... can't agree more with you Gazza
Some players (like Robben) do it well, but on the whole, if you cut inside you end up in a congested area, whereas going to the byline you can stretch the play and get the sort of crosses Andy would thrive on!
Keith
14 Mar 2012 05:38:48
yesterday's line-up was perfect. Honestly, i would start Hendo and bring on Kuyt after 60/65 mins to increase the tempo when the game gets real boring. Hendo was great with some passes. This boy can really open up defences, just has to find a more consistency. Spearo was solid as usual. Skrtel has been so consistent this season infact the best imo. solid preformance by kelly too. Not to mention the great work by the forwards and "THE" Stevie.
Piccolo
14 Mar 2012 04:23:56
Eds, I've been thinking and with the academy we have and the youthful nature of our side, I think going all out to sign a couple of top players this summer would close this site down as we wouldn't need to sign anyone else for years. Go all out for De Jong/Soldado and Hazard (we'll be a pretty attractive prospect if we do well in the FA Cup) and pick up Hoilett on a free because that's just good sense, and we have a wonderful team
Red Ollie
14 Mar 2012 02:42:43
I was reading the obituaries on the bitters banter. They were so full of it before the match (esp that ed025) until it all went balls and tits up! I still can't stop laughing! Singred
14 Mar 2012 01:39:30
It was a great result tonight and not a time for negative posts.
I'll keep my reservations to myself for the moment but, suffice it to say, we aren't suddenly the bees-knees!
A decent win against an Everton-Lite more concerned with the FA Cup than the League has been a timely break in a very poor run of results.
If I were to start picking holes tonight I'd get some stick on here so I'll just say well done to the lads ....in particular Gerrard, Kelly, Suarez and (surprisingly) Spearing.My team for Stoke City would be......
-----------------------REINA----------------------------
KELLY.........CARRAGHER..SKIRTEL........ENRIQUE
--------------------SPEARING--------------------------
KUUT-------------GERRARD---------------DOWNING
------------------------------SUAREZ-------------------
------------------CARROLL------------------------------SUBS; DONI,FLANNAGAN,COATES,ADAM,HENDERSON, MAXI,BELLAMY.
ANFIELDPETE
I just love kuut. Better Dutch signing than kuyt was
Thought Carroll had a good game also
Jim102929
14 Mar 2012 01:24:22
Clever play today , a relationship starting to develop between stevie and Suarez, and Carroll looks much better. Henderson worked hard, and team selected was appropriate for the game. Our next run of games are very winnable so let's go on a good run now.
Hibsylfc
Think Stevie G & Saurez could be the new Stevie G & Torres partnership we've been looking for..?
dmedly
14 Mar 2012 00:59:42
Defence and midfield chased,harried,and covered when had to.Well done all.Now consistancy
14 Mar 2012 00:50:59
Sorry but wise move by KK to leave out Adam,sadly lads too slow.Especially in hustle bustle of Derbies/cup ties.
If Adam is too slow then maybe he should study Jan Molby's game a bit more, that guy was brilliant at staying by the centre spot and picking out a player from distance.
KernowRed
14 Mar 2012 00:43:51
Delighted.Carra did well,Kelly excellent,Skrtel solid again,Enriques form returning.Spearing dropping into gap between midfield and defence did very well.Still unsure what Hendo brings,bar energy.Stevie back to best.Suarez excellent,bar finish at times.Lovely set up(for once)Stevies 3rd by him.Carrol lot lot better.Hunger,fight,workrate.Winning headers.Question sadly remains-WHY cant we show even 60% of workrate,closing down,pace of passing and movement,passion,fight,pride,EVERY week?Ok big games=special,but as said,just a portion of that spirit in every game,and we'd win more than we'd lose.Having said that,what a differnce a player running like Stevie,late and beyond forwards brings to side.It opens up flanks the lot as defenders drop and try and contain our widemens runs.Oh for another top mifielder and forward.But to drive point home-Why not consistant boys,why?
I do like henderson in the centre but not out wide watched alot of him in the U21s and can see a good player in him
When Hendo dropped in to a more narrow position from time to time he played some really nice balls. Although he's been named as a RM, he hasn't been playing there strictly, our flexible play that's not really based on strict positional play will allow him a bit more freedom when his confidence is up.
Red7.
I think Carroll done well. he down to mid field and serve the ball for Suarez few time. and help the defence too.
14 Mar 2012 00:31:13
Does anyone else think Carrol seems more up for it in the more passionate games,like tonight?
The big Geordie is getting better all the time..He will come good that i have no doubt...YNWA!!
14 Mar 2012 00:27:45
Football is very much a subjective game, one supporters view of a game can differ wildly from a fan watching the same game. Hence some of the banter on here with people agreeing/dis-agreeing with how they see a game pan out.
Plus take into account their favourite or in some cases not so favourite players and views & opinions can be clouded. What cannot be clouded is when collectively a team plays to something like it's potential, which we did tonight from the off. I have said before we look a much better side when we press and harass opposition teams. It gives the fans a lift to see players close down, tackles won and players generally fighting for each other.
Obviously, I know players are going to have a bad day at the office, we all do in our working life, but if they still work and try I can accept that. I have read some of the posts from tonight and am still amazed people find fault with that performance - question what exactly are you looking for????
Kelly - best game for a while, still very young.
Carra - done what Carra does
Skrtel - Player of the season for me
Enrique - £6m, really? what a bargin!
Stevie G - don't need to say any more
Jay - I'll admit not his biggest fan, squad player for me, but give Jay his dues the boy gets stuck in and works for the team. Top attitude
Henderson - best game so far, showing signs of improvement.
Downing - Links well with Enrique and does provide a threat when he runs at defenders.
Luis - top performance form him, movement, agression and skill, a joy to watch.
Andy Carroll - This boy has more than his fair share of critics, sometimes rightly so. However, I think his performances since the turn of the year have shown an improvement and if he can play like he did tonight, were he was unplayable, then the future is bright. I know IF is a big word. But the boy has massive potential
Kenny, that performance for me is a symbol of how the majority of our home games this season have been, without tonights end result. This was a result he deserved tonight and will for now silence his critics.
Finally, it was pointed out that was the first game, Stevie, Luis and Andy have started in the league........mmm I just wonder how it would have been or indeed will be for the remaining games if they all stay fit and develop together.....Top performance, top result and best of all silenced those sad bitters - TMac
See, i have to agree with your opening words, Tmac.
Because i think Spearo has been great lately and with recent form he deserves at least a shot at a first team place, with or without Lucas, and Hendo had a dud performance when compared to his recent form, played some lovely balls, but has seen better days in my opinion, he's excused though, because as i said, his form has been really good lately.
Red7.
14 Mar 2012 00:16:15
To d moyes
Hope you loved your three gifts for your tenth anniversary
Lots of love from
S Gerrard n lfc family
Wazaldinho7
14 Mar 2012 00:10:18
ok question is do we stick with same team or chop an change for stoke game,i know what id do with perhaps kuyt playing for hendo as stoke are a it bullish. bellers is the problem though after tonights display who do you leave out?
anyway goodnights work well happy for everyone associated with lfc, this sqaud is well capable of beating majority of teams as comfortable as to day, it seems some games we just dont turn up that is not the liverpool way.(guess im just spoilt by all the success lfc have had and i dont just mean cups ,i mean european nights, goal thrillers, pen shootouts) we have and are going through a tough spell but i know i speak on behalf of many many supporters worldwide the love for lfc just gets deeper and deeper. Again well done tonight specially the supporters at the game.
p.s the sleeping GIANT will rise once again.
ynwa23
Id give Bellers a go out on the right if he is fit
Play Bellers on the right, with Stevie and Jay in midfield, it's very attacking, but Stoke are not exactly going to win many matches from midfield are they?
reina
kelly carra skrtel enrique
bellers stevie jay downing
carrol suarez
That'll do nicely...
Red7.
But in saying that, don't be surprised to see Carroll on the bench, why have big Andy challenge their tall defenders when Bellers and Luis can run rings around the dopy big s**ts?
Red7.
13 Mar 2012 23:46:44
Hi Ed,
I know its completely unrelated, but what do you make of Jack Dunn?
Jatt YNWA {Ed001's Note - looks a promising player, seems to have a good attitude about him. Still just a kid and not a stand out like Gerrard, so he will have a lot of work ahead of him to make it into our first team. And he will need a bit of luck to get his break at the right time.}
He looks the best out of the U18 lot by a long way.
BthekingB
Mentioned Dunn the other week, can play a variety of positions too. Lussey and Peterson have impressed at times too...
Richards