Liverpool Banter Archive May 14 2017

14 May 2017 20:46:47
I was at todays game sitting with the West Ham fans. They agree that their team didn't show up today. I said they had their suitcases packed and showed no desire. They are split as to whether Bilic should stay and they have a load of prim-donna overpaid lightweights. I suggested that to get the fans going the team need to perform but equally the fans have a part to play. Our guys were in full voice. I know he is slated at times but Emre was the difference today - composed, well positioned and disciplined. Everything that WH weren't

Bring on the Borough (1 game - 3 points - happy days)

14 May 2017 21:50:06
Hmm. I'll check the tape. But I'm very sure all 11 West Ham players showed up. The ref would not have started the game otherwise.

14 May 2017 23:38:48
You guys are merciless critics LOL.

14 May 2017 20:06:18
i am really torn on Sturridge. I saw on another website (sorry eds for being unfaithful) that he is like a partner you are about to finish with then when you turn up to break it off they cook dinner and wear something sexy so you bottle it.

14 May 2017 20:55:38
Great post.

14 May 2017 21:17:47
You must be new here AAGA. It's like this on here, every single week with almost every player, depending on how brilliantly he played today in comparison to last week. Just keep reading, and you'll see my point.

14 May 2017 22:02:37
It's fickle minded and part of a 21st century supporter.

15 May 2017 07:35:00
Oh Davey, please see below post from you before the West Ham game

13 May 2017 21:57:17
We're shabite and have been since January.

West Ham love games like this.

Roy Keane was right saying that we're pathetic by celebrating a top four finish.

We have too many tarts in the team whondont like a fight.

A pathetic club at the moment we are.

DaveyBootlelovesyerma.

15 May 2017 10:31:01
LOLOL 87red, you just man handled DaveyBootlelovesyerma. Owned.

15 May 2017 10:35:57
Wow. Hypocrite and fickle. Not a good morning Davey.

15 May 2017 16:16:17
Oops Davey, you've been busted😂😂.

14 May 2017 19:48:03
Question pointed to MK Scouser. Not meant to be derogatory or harsh but do you still think that selling coutinho is ok or that he is easably replaceable?

Just genuine curious as seems to me the only player we have who has that something special, seems a genuine winner (just look how many times he's pulled out important goals), and then added seems a good lad who I'd imagine boast moral.

Think today showed his best position and when fully fit is the only player in the league to hold a torch to hazard.

14 May 2017 20:43:51
I think we can survive without left wing Couts but I've been calling for him to move central for ages and I think in that position he could become a Liverpool great.

14 May 2017 21:21:55
Slight misquote there buddy! I've never said he was "easily" replaceable. If I did then I most certainly got caught in the emotions of not wanting him to leave because I have never believed that to be the case.

My opinion is still the same though. IF he does not want to be here, we should let him go. No point building around a player who will leave inevitably. I have always and will always maintain that no player is irreplaceable though. As a left forward he is not world class. 10-15 goals a season is no more than Joshua King for example. However if we play him in a deeper role as I have repeatedly suggested, he is much harder to replace with like for like quality because in midfield, he is level with the likes of Modric in my opinion. A prime example to back up this point is Mane. He cost about £34m and is easily as good as Coutinho and scores and creates just as many goals. So my point is clearly not as absurd as some may think. We signed Mane from a mid-table team without having European football. At the time I said this by the way Coutinho looked set to stay as a left forward. If Klopp is going to play him in midfield though then he is clearly much harder to replace with equal quality, let alone an upgrade. It is his natural position and clearly his best position.

I hope he stays because he wants to stay, but I will reiterate that no player is bigger than the club and we have replaced better players in the past. Who genuinely thought we could top Torres? Then along came Suarez!

I love Couts though and I hope he loves us as much as we all love him.

Thanks for the question though, I enjoy civil debate where people don't have to be childish.

14 May 2017 21:38:11
We'd be a far more balanced team if Klopp brought in a left winger and moved Coutinho to center midfield. Very similar to what Henderson was doing with Sturridge and Suarez in 2013. Right now, we have no other midfielder who creates the danger with pinpoint passes to the forwards. Henderson is settled into a deeper role and there's simply no one else who is creative and threatening enough with forward passes. I have no problem with using a rotation of Henderson, Can, Wijnaldum and Lallana, next to Coutinho, if Klopp is going to stay with the 4-3-3. Over a season, it's a game of 25 players, and not just 14-15 players who play and fill in for injuries and absences, wherever required. This was our great weakness this season.

14 May 2017 21:55:22
Comparing Coutinho to Mane or Joshua King is irrelevant though MK. King is a forward, and if you want to compare him to someone in our team, it surely has to be Firmino (who has scored 4 less than King in the PL this season) .

Mane may play in a wide role, but he is suited there more than Coutinho as you make it clear yourself; if Coutinho is moved to a central role, he can probably adapt and go up a level, but there will be little point in moving Mane into a central midfielder.

Also, inevitably, everyone leaves, but that doesn't mean LFC should be ambivalent about their best player. How did replacing Suarez go for us, since you bought up that example?

14 May 2017 22:10:22
excellent reply mk, but yo should have used the time when liverpool fans thought the world was ending when keegan was going to hamburg and was replaced by the near god like figure of dalglish
but excellent reply buddy.

14 May 2017 3:09:10
Joshua King has been good this season, or are you saying he is a poor striker?

15 May 2017 07:02:31
No Stoupid, just saying he is not world class. He is a good player.

Also AG I'm not sure what you mean. Coutinho played primarily as a left forward. Joshua King plays primarily as a left forward. It was only a loose comparison anyway just to reiterate that as a forward Coutinho does not have a world class goal return. When I suggested Coutinho was not irreplaceable it was when he was playing on the left and looked like staying in that role.

Putney hit the nail on the head in my opinion. Left wing Coutinho is not as hard to replace (at least in terms of goals) but as an all round player and a midfielder he is on the brink of world class which naturally makes him very difficult to replace.

Anyway that is splitting hairs, I don't want him to leave, but I don't want to force him into staying. Simple as that really.

15 May 2017 07:22:07
Fair reply mate and sorry if misquoted. Just hope we do our best to keep hold of him. Just think we all need to remember for every mane signed there's a caulker signed as well!

14 May 2017 18:55:25
Before people get too carried away with the importance of Coutinho playing deeper, I think it's important for us to all remember that on his good days, Coutinho is sublime and makes things happen across the field. What we saw today was as much the effect of Coutinho playing well as him playing deep.

14 May 2017 19:24:32
also there were runners. look at sturridges goal. its impossible for coutinho to make a pass like that if there was no recepient.

thats what we lost when we lost mane. thing is other players could do it too, not just mane so not sure what happened.

onwards to the last game, who knows 3rd place, at this point in time is still up for grabs.

14 May 2017 19:33:23
OK? You do know that Couts is tried and tested in the deep CM position while we almost won the PL in 2014, Hijkle? No one is getting carried away as we already know Couts can play there effectively and to me, should be switched there next season to accommodate the wide player (s) that Klopp wants to sign.

14 May 2017 22:30:15
N Red - did I at any point say he can't or shouldn't play there? No I didn't. I just pointed out that it's not some magic key to getting Coutinho to play great every game. He's produced many fine performances from deep, from wide and from just behind the striker. What we saw today was his ability, not just what he gives us from a deep start.

14 May 2017 17:25:07
Ed what did you make of coutinho today I thought he run the game and should be playing there with Lallana the other side to make us have people who what to pass the ball forward.

{Ed001's Note - I have always said I prefer him playing in a deeper role, though I did think at times today he dropped too deep. I like him in central midfield, he works hard and is like a little terrier yapping at heels, makes some good tackles too. I would like him to play deeper if we get a left winger. At least sometimes, depending on the opposition.}

14 May 2017 17:46:10
I'm pretty sure that when he made his debut (against Swansea I believe) Coutinho ripped the opposition to shreds from a deeper role.

14 May 2017 19:24:11
Couts has shown during the 2014 title challenge that he can play in the CM position in a diamond cos he has space when playing from deep with runners ahead of him. He is also gritty, gets stuck in and tracks back to help the defence. Klopp already said he is looking for wide men in the summer so maybe Couts will be drafted in at CM is stages next season esp. vs the bus parkers.

14 May 2017 17:11:13
Shout out to Studge. Top quality striker who can be the difference to unlocking teams who park the bus. We saw today how he can create that extra yard of space in and around the box that we've been lacking all season.

I hope he isn't sold.

14 May 2017 20:10:18
If Origi had looked up he had them again late on, the lad is quality.

14 May 2017 16:39:03
After all the negativity before the game let's just give the guys credit for playing well. Let's hope they do it again on Sunday. Good boost to our goal difference. Could still be in a shout for 3rd place.

14 May 2017 18:50:04
Too right 👍👏
It's been a great day of results.
Top 5 in the bag, definitely finish above Man Utd (always a bonus - come on Ajax)
Top 4 could be in the bag on Tuesday.

I back us to beat Boro on today's evidence, but we may not need to.

14 May 2017 19:07:07
I love all the optimisim. but we've been so inconsistent. could finish 5th still.

14 May 2017 19:23:03
We could finish 3rd still. 😎.

15 May 2017 00:16:06
5th, 4th or 3rd.
We need to turn up vs. Boro with the same attitude we had vs West Ham. No complacency. 4th is in our hands and that is all we
could have wanted before kickoff today. The fact is we turned in a great performance as well. Let's give Klopp and the team credit for this. Also for the tactical switch.

14 May 2017 16:31:34
I said earlier in the week it was time the players stood up and were counted well hats off today a very professional performance against all be it a very poor West Ham vitatlly important that we got 3pts today as we all know it leaves Champions League football in our own hands no matter what anyone else does hopefully the fact of that will prove decisive in keeping our greatest asset Couts who was outstanding today playing in the no 8 roll fantastic to see Sturridge back to his best surly we will finally put this to bed against a hopeless Boro as we all know how much of an impact it will have on the calibar of player needed to put us up with Chelski, Spurs and City and the rest in challanging for the holy grail that has eluded us for far too long well done lads impressive performance today YNWA.

14 May 2017 17:26:32
4-0. what a response by the boys. YNWA!

14 May 2017 19:31:49
Notso, I posted the same thing on your thread. We have gotten onto the home stretch with an advance on Arsenal and for the moment, City. The finish line is in sight and it is time to bring this thing home. On to Boro where we will take what is ours.

14 May 2017 16:26:36
Think klopp finally found coutinhos best position and it is very clear that we need to add width to the team in the summer. What a brilliant 2nd half though boys were fantastic. Does anyone no if the young lad harry wilson is anywhere near coming into the 1st team? Been on fire this season for the youngsters could be what we need.

14 May 2017 16:52:45
Problem is it took until now since january for him to try something else. He has stuck with 433 week after week of it not working. We all said we needed a tweak and some different tactics. Great and all thiz has been found but got to wonder why its took till now.

Also at 3-0 up why not give grujic somw time. Why wait until the 88 kinute to make subs. Absolute pointless.

Ans if coutinho leaves after today ill be sick.

14 May 2017 17:08:17
Cheer up and enjoy a great resilt without moaning on. ynwa.

14 May 2017 18:13:52
Come on be happy supermoaner96 we won!

14 May 2017 18:35:20
Oh i forgot the sugar coating a win does. We can talk about this stuff after the nezt loss 😊.

14 May 2017 16:19:23
Credit to Klopp today. Changed the setup to accommodate both Sturridge and Origi which worked well. Coutinho should be playing deeper next season, meaning a top class left winger is a must.

14 May 2017 19:39:52
Buzzer, Couts in the 8 position is the exact reason we are looking at widement like Brandt to come in and take the left winger spot. This is also a way of securing Couts future here cos if he wants to play the no. 8 position then by god, give it to him.

14 May 2017 16:15:09
Match review ed?

{Ed001's Note - I will do it later mate, might not get it finished tonight, depends, but I want to watch the Spurs game first and I have tomorrow's match preview to finish as well.}

14 May 2017 16:11:03
West Ham did not show up. But the lads stepped up today and got the job done in style.

What a difference Sturridge made up top. Lost of movement in behind.

14 May 2017 15:15:28
Luan vieira
Naby kieta
Julian Brandt
Ricardo pierra
Mark my words.

14 May 2017 16:17:49
Whose mark my words is he any good.

14 May 2017 16:25:41
Not fussed about brandt think e said he doesn't ant Rolfe unless he's guarenteed a start - not the player I like. Would love Keita and peirera though. Know nothing of Luan and it going to pretend I've even heard of him before.

14 May 2017 16:26:30
Robertson to that as Peirerra is for rightback and cover for Left back. Would be a great summer if Luan hit the ground running.

14 May 2017 16:55:24
Fencey,

To be fair to Brandt, he isn't saying it like he should be first choice I don't think. I more see it as a young player wanting to make sure he gets enough football in his formative years.

That's wise, not poor character.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool want Brandt (as do Bayern if Douglas Costa leaves) but Brandt has made it clear he does not want to be sat on the bench which makes it difficult for him to move to either side.}

14 May 2017 17:09:32
87, just to clarify, what I meant was that I'd like players willing to fight and earn a spot.

14 May 2017 17:15:16
Luan isn't as class as some like to make out, but he is very versatile and dynamic which personally I think would suit our play style of a very free form front three.

14 May 2017 14:49:22
At the London Stadium.

Come on red men!

14 May 2017 15:22:07
I can't see you.

14 May 2017 13:52:59
Just saw the video of Rafa at the 96 run this morning. Whatever you think of him towards the end of his time with us, the man is an absolute gentleman and has done an enormous amount for the people of this city. To stand there and shake everyone's hand and pose for pics shows a true level of humility and a real sense of being a people's man. Thank you Rafa for what you have done 👍👍👍👍.

14 May 2017 16:22:27
Rafa is a wonderful man! Had the pleasure of meeting him once, and was worried about his apparent standoffishness. I needn't have been worried. He was approachable, kind and smiling. I thoroughly enjoyed his time as a manager, the passion he showed and the way he has conducted himself off the pitch. Hope he stays in the Prem next season.

14 May 2017 13:36:05
Let us just watch the game today as fans of LFC. We will always expect big things from our beloved club and that is the beauty of being a supporter. If we win we have achieved what we are all waiting for, however, if we loose I will be disappointed, dejected and blame players, managers and owners. However at the end I will be back supporting my beloved LFC the next day. I will come again to this site to check the transfer rumors. That is the beauty of being a LFC supporter. Keeping fingers crossed.

14 May 2017 14:04:14
👏 well said Sasha.

14 May 2017 13:18:04
Let's go Reds! YNWA!
Bring the 3 points home.

14 May 2017 13:03:13
Here we go again 😂😂

The Moaners and whingers are back with a bang and still 2 games to go and a whole summer remains for transfers.

Last summer they were all giving it loads about many of the new signings and then after Xmas just passed they are if the opinion the same squad members they were berating are the best thing since sliced bread. Typical of Liverpool supporters (not all thankfully)

So here we go again since 3 names are thrown around this morning for instance and the same are yet again doing the same as always. Personally I hate that but others seem to get off on that kind of an attitude.

My personal opinion. If you consider yourself as a true and honest supporter of the club stop the nonsense and get behind the club now and if you don't like my opinion and many others who think the same as myself why not splash out on a brand new Utd jersey toddler over to old Trafford and indulge in some rather nasty Prawn cocktail sandwiches with the rest of the Moaners.

Anyway fingers crossed for 6 pts in the remaining games.

14 May 2017 13:48:45
Roberston od be happy with left back and hoepfully we can get the guy on loanat lille as options for right and left back and bring through TAA. Luan is an unknown really and preferably id like a european proven striker but will support him of he comes in. As for Kjaer the story is utter rubbish and am glad of that as we might as well bring Carra out of retirement than putchase this guy.

14 May 2017 11:35:16
Could it be Luan and Robertson that Klopp is talking about when he says talks are going well with players? Does anyone know much about either player?

14 May 2017 11:59:20
Well luan got 6 goals in a sub par league, not going to win us the league is he?

But what do i know.

14 May 2017 12:02:23
I live near hull and have a lot of mates that are hull fans. They always rave about him from an attacking perspective but feel sometimes he he loses possession to easily causing problems for the CB's and he is sometimes suspect when defending however I feel he'd fit better into the team than Milner as he'll always have a decent delivery when given the opportunity and is quicker than Milner so with a better CB next to him could fit well into our team should we sign him.

14 May 2017 12:03:26
Coutinho was struggling in the Italian league when we bought him. 12 12 you´re probably one of the most negative supporter in here, get over yourself.

14 May 2017 12:41:49
Well whoever we sign I will support them because I trust klopp will get the best out of the players at his disposal next season. We all have our preferences on who we should sign but we need to support the players next season whoever is here.

14 May 2017 13:01:01
Lol red fuzz, so in a few years we'll have a player.

Listen to yourself.

14 May 2017 13:16:43
12 12 is it even confirmed that he has signed, do you know if he will be a Aquilani or a Suarez, it seems like you have a crystal ball that I don´t have. Cheer up!

14 May 2017 11:29:54
Come on mighty reds. Let's stand up and counted today. I believe we will win today so let's get behind the team!

Crooky.

14 May 2017 11:14:46
Andrew Robertson Eds? Is he any good?

Not going to comment on someone I know nothing of.

{Ed002's Note - He is better than Ed025 as a left back.}

14 May 2017 11:19:19
Any chance of a serious answer ed?

{Ed002's Note - I wouldn't have thought so.}

13 May 2017 17:05:15
Hi Eds,
Seeing post from brazilian news outlets that Gremio has accepted an official bid from Liverpool for around £23m which was handed to Gremio on May 6th and there president has just accepted? Any truth to this?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea and it would be a lot to pay for part of the palyer.}

14 May 2017 11:04:31
Was it sent by post or what? 😂.

14 May 2017 09:36:54
Just a shout out for Spurs today can you imagine if we were playing our last ever game at Anfield. My two abiding memories of WHL are when Suarez terrorised them them in a 5-0 thrashing even Flano scored and also a few years ago I went to London for a mates stag do and we took in a match Spurs v Leeds where ginola was unplayable, Leeds just tried to kick him off the park I didn't realise how strong he was. How we could do with a Ginola down our left flank. Goes without saying hope Spurs win today.

14 May 2017 19:55:39
Ace, that was my best WHL memory as well, the 5-0 demolition job we did on Spurs. It was indeed one of the best memories of BZr's tenure, of which there were several, I will give him that.

14 May 2017 08:38:39
Good morning Eds and reds, Hope everyone is well and looking forward to a good game today. I hear a lot of chat on here recently about Everton rolling over next week and allowing Arsenal to beat them just to get one over on us. I'd just like to say, I think that's very disrespectful to a club the size of Everton. People will point to the fact that it's happened before but has it? Were they having an off day? Realistically, if you've seen some of our weaker performances this season, it could be portrayed that we were rolling over and letting the other team have points because we have been awful at points. And also, if this is how professional teams work now, surely it's happy days for us today because that would mean, with West Ham hating arsenal and being city rivals, that means they're just going to let us win today to get one over on Arsenal surely? Doesn't sound to realistic does it? At the end of the day, we've played 36 games this season, we only have two games left and we have left it in our hands to qualify for the champions league so let's not build up controversy about who will let who win and concentrate on supporting the team and cheering them on over the finish line. Good luck today boys and let's show everyone how much we want this.

{Ed025's Note - love it welsh..

14 May 2017 08:54:17
Cheers ed, it's true though, anyone suggesting that in the future should be directed to the conspiracy page.

{Ed025's Note - your right there welsh..

14 May 2017 10:11:01
I think that's a great post. As you say, are West Ham going to roll over for us, I really don't think so.

14 May 2017 13:00:23
While I don't expect WestHam to roll over, it wouldn't surprise me if Everton does.
The rivalry between Everton and Liverpool isn't the same as WestHam and Arsenal. It's something like Roma and Lazio.
And when Roma were chasing Inter years ago for the league title, I can remember Lazio rolling over. and Lazio fans were even cheering when Inter scored against them.
Liverpool should just focus on winning the two games.

14 May 2017 08:07:12
So as it stands

Man City 3rd, 72 points, goal difference 34. WBA home and Watford away.

Liverpool 4th, 70 points, goal difference 29. West Ham away and Boro at home.

Arsenal 5th, 69 points, goal difference 29. Sunderland and Everton at home.

UTD 6th, 65 points, goal difference 24. Spurs away, Soton away and Palace at home.

I do not believe it has ever been this close for a 3rd or 4th place finish. The fact that Liverpool are in the mix this season has been a massive improvement. Compare it to last season where we finished 8th, 60 points and a goal difference of 13 with a 6 point gap from 4th then it shows how tough the fight for a top 4 place is becoming. Yes we had no European football to contend with but our squad has done extremely well this season taking into consideration that we lack quality in depth, injuries etc.

Two wins from two and 4th at the least is ours. Two wins are the only thing we need to concentrate on now. Forget about who else does what. 6 Points and a top 4 finish will be ours. Let’s stand together, erase the negativity and get behind our club Liverpool to help them cross the line.

Whether you live on the other side of the world, are at the match, watching a live stream, watching it on tele or keeping tabs of the score, make yourself heard today. Not through negativity but through positivity.

YNWA.

{Ed025's Note - good post that max..

14 May 2017 06:31:44
Andrew robertson. really?!

13 May 2017 21:41:40
Evening Ed001.

Do you think Firmino and Lucas will be fit for tomorrow?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - I expect they will be able to at least be on the bench. Fingers crossed!}

13 May 2017 22:33:55
without Mane we are more like the Liverpool of last season. A win here, a draw there or sometimes a lose. Whether Klopp promised us a league title or not, tomorrow all we want is a win. But if we don't win, it won't be the end of the world. We are Liverpool.
!

14 May 2017 04:22:47
Liverpool will keep going if we lose to West Ham but it is debatable whether Klopp should carry on. He has brought charisma, occasionally attractive football and a reconnection with the fans. But very little else.
I doubt whether FSG will make any hasty decisions, especially with such a long contract, but Top 4 should be bare minimum this season. If we fail to achieve it, i would suggest he is no better qualified to lead us to a league title and than Rogers was.
Hopefully, it is all just negative speculation and we will thrash the Hammers but, for now, my faith in Klopp is dependent on how he can use his famous man-management skills and galvanise a strong finish to the season.

{Ed001's Note - good to see the knee jerk reactionary fans are out in force who now base their thinking on one game in a season!}

14 May 2017 05:00:09
Its not the one game Ed001. Failure to get top4 will be a big failure on Klopp's part. He was brought in to win the league, not finish 5th. That is blatant failure to meet the targets given to you by your superiors. We had no European football to deal with and the whole world knew we needed a left back and a couple of wide players yet those issues were never addressed.
Yes, it takes time to build a squad but Klopp knew that time is not a luxury afforded to premier league managers when taking the job. Recently, he has been more reactive than proactive. And as earlier mentioned, if he has no faith in any of the squad players (the first 11 aside), then why are they still here? Why have those players not been replaced then? Sometimes you just got to throw some players in the deep end and see how they do.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but that is false. You are talking about signings, which is not his job. So saying he never got the players he wanted, as we know he wanted a left back, surely that is something you can't hold against him?

Secondly, it clearly is based on one game, as that post 100% states that his backing of Klopp comes down to this result. The ridiculous comparison with Rodgers is just even more reactionary. Rodgers destroyed the team, left it in a complete mess, Klopp is having ro rebuild that. It is far too early to judge him. What he has shown is a better idea of what he needs to sign during the transfer windows, but has been let down by the club. Rodgers just wanted to collect attacking midfielders with no idea how to use them. Klopp wants full backs, as he knows the ones we have are not good enough. He wants a left winger, as we are weak in that area. He has a plan of what he wants and is looking to build towards it. That is far more than we have had in recent years.

Typical though, fans have no patience. One full season, without the players he wanted, is now deemed enough to condemn a man. If this kind of stupidity continues, we will never win a thing again.}

14 May 2017 05:43:46
The problem with patience is that it is not afforded to managers in the premier league. Its about delivering when the time is ripe, which is the last two games now. Bottle it and we are back to another rebuilding phase. Man Utd and Arsenal (both with UCL) next season will strengthen considerably, while Spurs, Chelsea and Man city will be looking to consolidate on what they achieved this season.
And the OP is right when the entire season and the club's foreseeable future will rest on what happens in the next two games. The implications will be long lasting and failure sets us back a couple of seasons. Everyone knows that. With LFC's transfer record and lack of management capabilities, I really do not see us doing a Leicester or Spurs any time soon.

{Ed001's Note - it is not afforded to managers in the Prem because the fans turn on them far too easily.}

14 May 2017 06:48:32
He has had a whole season to achieve top 4. Unfortunately its now come to two must-win games. Im not turning on him but i am beginning to doubt him and question whether he is as good a manager as we all thought when he arrived. Ill admit im really not sure whether he's truely talented or not but the next couple of games might show whether he is capable of getting results when they're most needed.

{Ed001's Note - if this was next season, I would understand, but it is not and this is still largely the players he has inherited. We know they have a problem with bottle. We know they lack on pitch leadership. This is a problem that can only be fixed by changing most of the players. Personally I would say that the key is whether we have made progress from the shambles that was in place when he took over. Which it is clear to see, despite the completely idiotic stats people are putting out comparing him to Rodgers, we have. We missed out on Europe last season, so the fact that we are assured European football this season is a step forward.}

14 May 2017 07:52:25
Thanks for your common sence reply Ed1. We have definitely made progress as you say Europe already confirmed,70 points and the chance of champions league (71 points would have got second last season) plus I don't care what Ed2 says any team that losses their captain, along with couts, mane, Lallana, matip, can for large chunks of the season would affect any type rhythm we had at the start of the season.

14 May 2017 09:55:19
Ed, whilst I agree with most of what you say I disagree that Klopp needs to rebuild the team, Rodgers left a very solid platform for him. The only real gaps were a pacy forward and a left back. There are a number of other positions we can improve but we wern't deficient in any of them.

{Ed001's Note - centre backs, midfield, right back, goalkeeper, all needed when Klopp arrived, as well as the two you rmentioned. Are you sure you are really thinking this through? Rodgers left a mess through his utter incompetence as a manager.}

14 May 2017 13:09:48
Of course ed, those positions are all ones we could improve but they weren't a shambles. I think you're making excuses for Klopp by saying that. Klopp had a core six or seven players he could build on and another few to back them up.

{Ed001's Note - they weren's a shambles? Are you being funny? Did you not watch our defence with Skrtel in it? Have you not seen how bad Clyne is? Or the fact that Can had barely even had a game in midfield? Or how bad even the ones you can defend were playing when Klopp came in? It is not excuses, it is reality. It is ridiculous that people want to change history to suit their bias by pretending we had anything other than a poor side, in a complete mess, when Klopp came in. Most people wanted rid of the likes of Lallana etc. Klopp transformed him, now he has even got Mignolet looking less like the useless tit who flapped at everything and conceded every shot on target and more like an actual goalkeeper. However the knee jerks will still find lies to cover up their ridiculous childish immature reactions to every match.}

14 May 2017 16:11:55
That's my point ed, lallana etc aren't bad players. The team was underperforming but the squad had quality. It needed polishing but laying the problems Klopp's had on the inadequacy of the squad is wrong and shows your bias not the other way round.

{Ed001's Note - no it doesn't, we were a poor team that has been improved. Players like Lallana were not good enough, it wasn't that they were underperforming, he was playing as well or better than he ever had. What happened was that the coaching improved them, like it has Mignolet etc. They were not underperforming, that was the level those players were at. It needed more than polishing.}