Liverpool Banter Archive November 14 2010

 

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14 Nov 2010 23:53:21
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Ed can you do bit of research for us all, someone has said to me that roy hodgson has managed 105 away prem games and only won 13 of them. . . can u confirm ed. if so who was it that put him forwards to liverpool and just how much researge went it to getting him or was it just cos he got to final last season?

{Editor's Note: You could do the research yourself, but it sounds about right. I am with you in that we should kick the guy who recomended him right out of the club - Dalglish.}

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14 Nov 2010 23:52:48
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WOY OUT KING KENNY IN til summer at least or were to say the least f*cked

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14 Nov 2010 23:47:43
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I think Hodgson is a joke he does not have a clue on how to manage our great club. Some of the comments he comes out in his interviews after a match are beyond belief. I don't know what game he is watching. We need to sell and build the team from scratch starting with the manager!

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14 Nov 2010 23:23:27
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ha just wanna wake up tomorrow " Roy is sacked " I'll be like wooop!

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14 Nov 2010 23:04:06
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Apparently nesv have called a meeting early this week with roy.
any ideas ed?

{Editor's Note: It is about the Christmas Party.}

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14 Nov 2010 22:59:52
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Reina
Kelly Carragher Agger Mavinga
Gerrard Meireles
Cole*
Kuyt Torres Jovanovic

*or Pacheco or Shelvey

I would love to have this formation and these players. What does the editor who receives think about this? {ed's note - I think that is probably close to being the best we have mate.}

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14 Nov 2010 22:57:35
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I for one have never for one second believed hodgson was up to the task of managing liverpool fc. i have never understood why he got the job or why people (including so called football experts) say "he is the right man for the job and he will get it right in the end" surely these people know his history in the game! look at his career. 35+ years in the game and his greatest achievement his reaching the europa league final. that alone tells you he has no knowledge of success or winning anything major, i know he won things in sweden and denmark but are either of them leagues strong or even bordering strong at all? i think not. He is a nice guy i don't doubt that at all, but that does not make him a good enough manager for a club like liverpool? he has managed a big club in the past that been inter milan, though they were in no way performing at the level they have been in recent years and had they been there is no way he would have been managing them either. . So all i have left to say is does anyone really think man utd, chelsea, man city or even tottenham would ever really consider him for the managers job at their club? i think think he would be mentioned for either job as nothing more then a passing joke!

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14 Nov 2010 22:56:39
Ive just seen the most nauseating manager in English football - Steve Bruce - on MOTD 2. He said of the Chelsea game after 11 defeats in 9 years "Why not have a go?".
Roy - Liverpool is a far better team than Sunderland so "WHY NOT HAVE A GO?" before you are gone!
Mal 27

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14 Nov 2010 22:51:42
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Always a red {ed's note - I could purely because I have learnt how to do so since having my daughter, I never even swore in front of her until recently. Hmmmm no actually thinking about it I probably couldn't, it was watching us under Hodgson this season that broke my resolve not to swear in front of her!}

i know it pains me to watch us under roy, maybe he managed in italy to long who knows. with abit of luck even the roy hodgson fan club will relise the 'nice guy' act is wearing abit thin. looking throught the team who is happy (not counting the pics on the lfc website lol).
but on a brighter note everytime, i see an interview with ian holloway he puts a smile on my face, he is class, especially the 1 after the villa game lol. so not all football is bad.

always a red

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14 Nov 2010 22:49:04
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I really think roy hodgson should be given more time at the club. . .look at rafa benitez. .6 years at the club and only two trophies! 6 YEARS! . . for christ sake if they gave benitez 6 years at liverpool they would surely give hodgson plenty more time to change things around. when benitez left he left the club with a woeful amount of misfits. . lucas, ngog, babel, johnson, rodriguez are some names and not to mention being the fault of 2 of the best midfielders in the world in xabi alonso and mascherano wanting to leave! he destroyed the club. .hodgson can't change things around all of a sudden. . give him a chance! you can change things hodgson. .i believe in you. . what do you think ed?? ?? {ed's note - Hodgson doesn't have the mindset to turn things around, he is too happy with a draw, he will never lead the club to glory with that kind of thinking, in my view.}

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14 Nov 2010 22:43:05
The Irish Rover {ed's note - except it makes no sense, he is asking for a man with charisma, which Di Matteo clearly has, yet he is saying he is no good.}

No Ed! He is asking for someone who commands respect & can get every ounce of sweat ot of a player. Someone who maybe isn't intimidated by egos. These managers are few & far between Ed. Wenger, Mourhino, Ferguson, Ancellotti, Benitez, Hiddink & maybe a few I can't think of. I really hate saying this, but we have made a mistake getting rid of Rafa. Not because he was in any way near perfect, because he wasn't & he had his fair share of baggage, but if we had Rafa now we wouldn't have Hodgson.

The Irish Rover

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14 Nov 2010 22:40:24
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Hi , i heard someone mensioning ian holloway.

Funny enough i am from plymouth the club he left to go to blackpool when he was with plymouth we was the lowest spending team in the championship and he got us to 7th until he left however we played fantastic attacking football , he stands up for himself and his players at all times , isn't scared about giving the youth and the less gifted players a chance.

However i don't think he will be the rightman for the job at this current time.

I still think mourinho will come to us within the next few years "he calls himself the special one" think how special he will be if he brings us back the title.

All this s* t about people saying kenny dalglish can't do the job? he won 2 titles as a manager and managed for what 3 years? he's been away from the game but has been watching it ever since and has played a big role at liverpool recently he would get the respect from all the players and staff and all this bollocks he couldn't attract big names is bulls* t he is one of the best football players of all time i think every decent football player knows and respects what he has achieved in the game.

Tom P.

P.s in the rumour section please.

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14 Nov 2010 22:29:44
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Just watched the highlights of the stoke game (and i use the word highlights quiet wrongly lol). and the only positive i can take from the game was the fans who kepp trying to lift the players, seriously well done.
and just 1 quick question, could any1 on here have an intelligent conversation with roy, that means no shouting or swearing. i know i couldnt could you ed lol.

always a red {ed's note - I could purely because I have learnt how to do so since having my daughter, I never even swore in front of her until recently. Hmmmm no actually thinking about it I probably couldn't, it was watching us under Hodgson this season that broke my resolve not to swear in front of her!}

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14 Nov 2010 22:18:43
To all those who want Rafa back can you please remind me, was it 8 or 9 defensive players he once fielded in a team including 4 full backs playing? He's not the answer, never was.

Fitzy
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Last season was Rafa's worst season in 6 years. Even so, after 13 games we had 20 points and to be more precise against the same 13 teams we had 5 more points. If Rafa (in his worst season) was in charge we would be 5th now and only 8 points off the top.

Why did we ever replace him with this deluded idiot?

Fabian Treezle

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I just think in Rafa's best season in the league he lost it because he was too cautious, only allowing his players to go out and attack when it was too late and the chance to win the title had slipped away. This lost him the dressing room. Rafa was a good man, so was Houiller but like Hodgson they were too fearful of losing and no manger will win the league with that approach. Also it seems many of us are forgetting how Liverpool should play.

Fitzy

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14 Nov 2010 22:12:27
I would like to say I like the 'agree' or 'disagree' facility . It is better to have points of view agreed with , especially when one is labouring over them at these particularly trying LFC times .

1977
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Here Here. I think ice cream is great.

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14 Nov 2010 22:11:36
Luís André Pina Cabral Villas-Boas is a Portuguese Football Club Manager in Portugal with FC Porto , already this season FC Porto have won the Portuguese Supercup Trophy beating Benfica 2-0 .

André Villas-Boas began working at FC Porto in an administrative role during Bobby Robson's time , he would later join Jose Mourinho's staff as an assistant and subsequently follow him to Chelsea and Inter Milan , that is until the summer of 2009 , when André Villas-Boas decided to become a Football Club Manager - having previously coached the British Virgin Islands National team briefly from 2000-2001 , aged only 23 years old .

In October 2009 he joined Académica in Portugal , they were rooted at the foot of the table but soon progressed to mid-table with creative attacking football , finishing 10 points clear of relegation .

In the summer of 2010 both Sporting Benfica's Manager and FC Porto's Manager left there respective positions , leading to intense media speculation that André Villas-Boas was the prime candidate for both jobs . In june 2010 André Villas-Boas accepted the position of FC Porto Manager and remains unbeaten with a record of 19 wins and 2 draws .

His teams are noted for their flair and free-flowing football , attacking the oppositon at will from all corners of the pitch .

In the Portuguese League this season FC Porto have scored 27 goals conceding only 4 goals in 11 League games whilst in the Europa League FC Porto lead group L with 3 wins and 1 draw scoring 8 goals and conceding only 2 goals .

André Villas-Boas is still only 33 years of age .

The perfect candidate for Liverpool Football Club Manager .

A new era for a new generation .

1977

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14 Nov 2010 22:09:04
To all those who want Rafa back can you please remind me, was it 8 or 9 defensive players he once fielded in a team including 4 full backs playing? He's not the answer, never was.

Fitzy
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Last season was Rafa's worst season in 6 years. Even so, after 13 games we had 20 points and to be more precise against the same 13 teams we had 5 more points. If Rafa (in his worst season) was in charge we would be 5th now and only 8 points off the top.

Why did we ever replace him with this deluded idiot?

Fabian Treezle

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14 Nov 2010 22:04:14
Ed. whats your thoughts on Kelly, wilson, and suso as players and their futures.i.e will they be givan a chance at lfc? {ed's note - the 3 of them have big futures, the only question is whether it is at Liverpool or not. They certainly won't get many chances while Roy is in charge.}

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Fully agree with you ed. How Roy could say after the Chelsea game that Kelly had surprised him is beyond me, all the Liverpool fans and ex players had been on about him for the last year. And then Carra is put right back yesterday. .madness. Fitzy

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14 Nov 2010 22:02:54
It must anger alot of LFC fans that Christian Poulsen is now an LFC palyer when Juventus have the creativity of Alberto Aquilani with them on loan (a player we payed around £17 million for) .

I still believe that a real LFC Manager would be trying to get the best out of Aquilani at 'Anfield' , the team could really benefit from such an off the cuff player , plenty of Managers would use such a player in a 4-4-2 and Attack the opposition .

1977

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14 Nov 2010 21:58:06
I would like to say I like the 'agree' or 'disagree' facility . It is better to have points of view agreed with , especially when one is labouring over them at these particularly trying LFC times .

1977

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14 Nov 2010 21:54:46
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I can't wait for january tbh with you guys ,

1) New year
2)dads birthday on news years day :L
3)And also its the transfer window

I just can't wait to see who we sign , hopefully some1 good . .HOPEFULLY , , personally i want to see Juan mata and/ or llorente

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14 Nov 2010 21:52:23
To all those who want Rafa back can you please remind me, was it 8 or 9 defensive players he once fielded in a team including 4 full backs playing? He's not the answer, never was.

Fitzy

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14 Nov 2010 21:46:34
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Ed, just a quick question. do you agree wesley sneijder is overrated? I've just watch the milan derby and literally all he did was take long range shots to no effect. He was the netherland's top goal scorer at the world cup but most of his goals came from long range efforts that were deflected.
It just annoys me when people talk of him as this world class midfielder because in my opinion he is nowhere near that level yet. He is so selfish it's unreal! {ed's note - when the team is right for him, he is brilliant, like he was last season for Mourinho. But Rafa's Inter are a totally different prospect and it is not going to get the best out of him.}

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14 Nov 2010 21:44:43
14 Nov 2010 20:41:58
All you fans that are asking for Hodgson to go are still falling into the same trap that got us Hodgson in the first place. You are looking at managers at lower clubs who are currently doing well and shoehorning them into the hot seat at Anfield.

This club needs a big manager. You only have to look at the so called infighting stories that do the rounds every week. There is definitely some mileage in some of them. Undermining a manager that isn't seen as being fit for purpose.

Yet, looking at the majority of posters they are saying Di Matteo, O'Driscoll. Come on FFS. Grow up and smell the coffee.

Whilst i cannot stand the brand of football that Mourinho brings or the person himself, there is one quality he has, annoying that it maybe, he gets the respect of the players, he gets maximum usage out of every player under his charge. This cannot be denied and whilst i do not ever want this cretin to be in charge of our club, there are few managers made of this cloth.

We need a mourinho, if not exactly the mourinho. I put Rafa in this catergory and we got rid of him. Not one for going back and supporting this Get Rafa back campaign and whilst the decision to part company, at the time, may have been the right decision.

However to replace a top manager with a manager with the abilities of some of the signings (Poulsen, Konchesky) then the decision to replace Rafa is possibly the worst made by the club in a long, long while.

You do not change unless the change is for the better. All you that wanted Rafa gone must surely now wish you'd kept your gob shut. Pretty ignorant especially when Hodgson was a popular choice in the summer with most of you lot. Hang your heads in shame.

If you want Hodgson gone but was a Rafa supporter you have every right to want him out. If you just wanted Rafa out because of one bad season, shut up, suck it up and take your medicine.

I, on the other hand just shake my head. We replaced a top class manager with what exactly?

Bob the Red

Well said Bob, I couldn't put it any better myself!

The Irish Rover {ed's note - except it makes no sense, he is asking for a man with charisma, which Di Matteo clearly has, yet he is saying he is no good.}

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14 Nov 2010 21:41:34
There was a time when the LFC team had an abundance of creativity and flair , particularly in the attack .

Nowadys the LFC Manager is trying to implement 6 defensive players , making them play defensive and asking the other outfield players to beware of their defensive duties .

LFC teams of old had many attacking players on the pitch and all players were encouraged to attack all comers . I have seen Spurs line-up in big games with 2 attacking midfielders , flanked by 2 wingers supporting 2 strikers plus their full backs have licence to go forward .

Every position in the LFC needs a complete re-think , I think Ryan Babel should be our Right Winger with Glen Johnson at Right Back and Martin Kelly at centre half encouraged to step into midfield with Carragher covering him . Jovanovic and Aurelio should be our left side and Gerrard and Meireles our Centre Midfield pairing , that leaves 2 striker positions for Torres and a dynaimc player - Pacheco or Joe Cole perhaps .

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. . . Johnson. . . Kelly. . . Carragher. . Aurelio. . .

Babel. . . . . .Gerrard. . . .Meireles. . . .Jovanovic

. . . . . . . . . . .Cole/ Pacheco. . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Torres. . . . . . . . . . .

When will the team try to win games by attcking the final third through pass and move .
Wide players getting to the byline and midfielders getting into the box .

The last LFC Midfielder I seen get into the box was Alberto Aquilani .

1977

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14 Nov 2010 21:39:39
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When you leave a club to manage another club you usually try to sign 1or 2 of their best players, so when roy was somehow giving the liverpool job, why did he bring Paul Kenchelsky, he can't defend, he can't cross a good ball, he is always getting knocked of the ball.He is just not a left back of liverpool class, out of his depth tj l.f.c.

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14 Nov 2010 21:37:04
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Ed, if we get in a new decent manager and spend wise in January, how high can we go {ed's note - top four is still easily attainable.}

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14 Nov 2010 21:27:34
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I can't wait for january tbh with you guys ,

1) New year
2)dads birthday on news years day :L
3)And also its the transfer window

I just can't wait to see who we sign , hopefully some1 good . .HOPEFULLY , , personally i want to see Juan mata and/ or llorente

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14 Nov 2010 21:25:33
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Most of the posts on the rumours page arent rumours they are mainly questions about JWH and complaints at RH.

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14 Nov 2010 21:23:50
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Joe coles twitter is JustJoeCole and he tweeted

Joe cole doesn't have a twitter, Ryan babel posted last week the only people at Liverpool who have twitters are Lucas Leiva, brad jones & a new doctor!

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14 Nov 2010 21:23:28
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Although I originally considered that we should give Woy a fair crack of the whip, recent events have conspired to change my opinion. This is evidenced by the fact that most fans are discussing who should replace Woy rather than who should be in the team.
I would like us to go for Deschamps (he seems to have what it takes) or the Porto chap.

Why wouldn't they want to come? managing Liverpool is still one of the biggest jobs in football.

I FOR OAlthough I originally considered that we should give Woy a fair crack of the whip, recent events have conspired to change my opinion. This is evidenced by the fact that most fans are discussing who should replace Woy rather than who should be in the team.
I would like us to go for Deschamps (he seems to have what it takes) or the Porto chap.

Why wouldn't they want to come? managing Liverpool is still one of the biggest jobs in football.

I FOR ONE WOULD LOVE TO GIVE ROY A RACK WITH A WHIP EVERYTIME THE OLD FOOL SETS UP TEAMS AS AGAINST WIGAN AND STOKE !

LFC1

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14 Nov 2010 21:22:08
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Rafa got bout 15 mins to turn around the Milan derby or face alot of stick about the way they are playing. I didn't think the job would be right for him, just like i don't think Hodgson is right for us.

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14 Nov 2010 21:13:29
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I am roy please get me out of here! !

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14 Nov 2010 21:05:27
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Just started playing Football Manager 2011.(in 2nd season)
Can I tell you how difficult it is to sell Poulsen, Jovanovic, Konchesky and Babel! They are all on mega money and no teams are willing to match this. I have had to let them go out on loan getting hardly any capital back and I am still paying most of their wages!
I can see this coming true in real life!
Spendy999

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14 Nov 2010 20:58:46
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Heres something else i've noticed (stating the obvious really)

how come we play "okay" against the bigger/ better teams? and lose to the "Lesser"

I will tell you why . . . .

Cos Roy thinks were in the "lesser" bracket so feels note to lose against Chelsea for eg, and Wigan is a must not lose at all costs opposition !

LFC1

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14 Nov 2010 20:52:34
After the Chelsea game most people were saying we could win the rest of this years fixtures , with maybe a draw at Tottenham . And yet , LFC have collected only 1 point from a possible 6 against Wigan and Stoke . Awful .

1977

 

 

 

 

14 Nov 2010 20:43:24

Walcott or lennon, ed? which would you take? {ed's note - neither.}

 

 

14 Nov 2010 20:41:58
All you fans that are asking for Hodgson to go are still falling into the same trap that got us Hodgson in the first place. You are looking at managers at lower clubs who are currently doing well and shoehorning them into the hot seat at Anfield.

This club needs a big manager. You only have to look at the so called infighting stories that do the rounds every week. There is definitely some mileage in some of them. Undermining a manager that isn't seen as being fit for purpose.

Yet, looking at the majority of posters they are saying Di Matteo, O'Driscoll. Come on FFS. Grow up and smell the coffee.

Whilst i cannot stand the brand of football that Mourinho brings or the person himself, there is one quality he has, annoying that it maybe, he gets the respect of the players, he gets maximum usage out of every player under his charge. This cannot be denied and whilst i do not ever want this cretin to be in charge of our club, there are few managers made of this cloth.

We need a mourinho, if not exactly the mourinho. I put Rafa in this catergory and we got rid of him. Not one for going back and supporting this Get Rafa back campaign and whilst the decision to part company, at the time, may have been the right decision.

However to replace a top manager with a manager with the abilities of some of the signings (Poulsen, Konchesky) then the decision to replace Rafa is possibly the worst made by the club in a long, long while.

You do not change unless the change is for the better. All you that wanted Rafa gone must surely now wish you'd kept your gob shut. Pretty ignorant especially when Hodgson was a popular choice in the summer with most of you lot. Hang your heads in shame.

If you want Hodgson gone but was a Rafa supporter you have every right to want him out. If you just wanted Rafa out because of one bad season, shut up, suck it up and take your medicine.

I, on the other hand just shake my head. We replaced a top class manager with what exactly?

Bob the Red

 

 

 

 

14 Nov 2010 20:41:04
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Ed, do you think roy is being stuborn or really believes he has what it takes to turn this around, and that's y he hasnt stepped down, because i think he is showing all the signs of a mad man, who sees every thin different to everyone else.

{Editor's Note: I don't expect him to go until at least January and if the results hold up, then perhaps the end of the season. Other Eds have other ideas. However, if the results do not improve perhaps we are getting toward the end for him.}

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14 Nov 2010 20:37:27
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If we are looking for someone to step in as a caretaker manager until NESV find their chosen replacement for Roy Hodgson, we could do a lot worse than give John McMahon a chance. He might even give opportunities to talented youngsters like Suso and Toni Silva!

The Shoe Shine Boy

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14 Nov 2010 20:28:04
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In two days i have read that pepe wants to leave and 2day johnson, nando looks like his heart isn't in like it was, stevie g as good as he is has peaked and will start to decline over the nxt few years of his career as is showing with carragher, masherano gone, alonso gone. players being brought in are average, its gonna take a huge effort from nesv to get liverpool back to the top. roy hodgson has to be relieved of his duties, he has clearly lost the dressing room, just like mancini at city. morale is at an all time low, his tactics are non existant, he looks like a todler in the swimming pool without armbands at the moment. i was never a huge rafa fan, and felt he left when he should but to replace him with roy is a joke, had rafa been in charge this season i think we would be up there at the moment. roy is very much an old school manager, but the game has evolved and left him behind. now when i read of players wanting to leave, or of the players roy is interested in, its very saddening. two years ago when we finished second, we were 2 3 players at most away from winning the league, and for whatever reasons a winning team was broken up instead of adding quaility. arbeloa has been such a huge miss imo, alonso likewise. now unless a big investment fom nesv is made and all money from sales made available to raise around 100m for new players to replace the s* te that we have then its going to be a very long very slow transition. too many average players on superstars wages at anfield. we need 2 wingers maybe 3 as we have no quality in depth, a left back of the same sort of mould as riise was, a worldclass cb 2 forwards one of real quality one younger like lukaku, im not convinced on the central midfield, a big name marqee player is needed, a banega would be great.
i make that 7 players minimum before we can ever reach the level of the chelsea over 38 games.
roy has to go and poulsen, jovanovic, babel, konchesky, johnson, maxi can all follow him imo. roy cannot take any credit for results against arsenal or chelsea, as the players raise there game for the big ones, its motivating your team to break down a wigan on a cold wednesday night or a stoke on a rainy saturday afternoon where a manager earns his crust because that's where championships are won and lost. so please nesv terminate roys contract now, to unify the dressing room. bring in a new manger of quality and back him in the summer of 2011 to give us a fighting chance of winning some silverware and more importantley some self respest back in the nxt few years,
sorry rant over

mps ynwa

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14 Nov 2010 19:56:03
ED? Any news on the managerial issue at our beloved club? {ed's note - nothing new mate, I wouldn't be expecting anything just yet though.}



that means we are going to witness more embarrassment ( with bad performances bad losses )



AJI

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14 Nov 2010 19:50:27
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So Roy is our D Sexton and our next manager will be our R Atkinson

simple get the next manager in quick so we can sack him

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14 Nov 2010 19:48:22
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Ed. whats your thoughts on Kelly, wilson, and suso as players and their futures.i.e will they be givan a chance at lfc? {ed's note - the 3 of them have big futures, the only question is whether it is at Liverpool or not. They certainly won't get many chances while Roy is in charge.}

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14 Nov 2010 19:48:11
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Evening ed . Do you think Roy is finding it hard to cope with a club of this size , and if so why won't he hold his hands up and say , maybe then kenny might help him sort it, or if it's that bad step down before he falls down because the half decent reputation he has got will quickly fade and could finish his managerial career.any thoughts cheers psvelnino {ed's note - I think that is exactly it, he is too stubborn to admit any possible chance that it could be him at fault.}

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14 Nov 2010 19:48:00
To the poster who sent this in

I've always thought it and now the proof is conclusive we are in the midst of greatness people! Forget the learned philosophies of Dalglish, Paisley and Shankley we have our very own blair maine square pants! This footballing wise man has blessed us all with his knowledge. Without being a smidge concerened that this guy is ALWAYS on the internet, he shows the world that never going to the same country let alone the City your team plays in means nothing! He has dedicated his life to proving that he knows better than us Scousers! As a city blair we say a collective thank you that you could spare our special club such attention. How very lucky we are that you chose us and no one else what would LFC have possibly done without you blair I shudder to think. . .everyone be VERY grateful!

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Firstly. .we should all be very grateful you signed your treatise on the postings of another liverpool supporter. .at least he does

What is your problem with this bloke, I don't really understand. without lurching into your underwhelming sarcasm i would be grateful if you would explain

chris 1

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14 Nov 2010 19:47:16
14 Nov 2010 19:40:32
New management team :

Manager Kenny Dalglish

Assistant Roy Evans

Coaches Phil Thompson , Sami Hyppia , Didi Hamann .

1977

What a ridiculous statement. That the problem with a lot of our fans, looking in the past too much. Let's get a young decent manager with new ideas.

Gav the Red

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14 Nov 2010 19:45:26
ED? Any news on the managerial issue at our beloved club ? {ed's note - nothing new mate, I wouldn't be expecting anything just yet though.}

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14 Nov 2010 19:40:55
The worst thing about roy throwing a tantrum about johnson and alluding to the fact that he wasnt playing well. .does he think poulsen, konchesky, maxi are playing well.
Maybe he watches different matches to me.

chris 1 {ed's note - the problem is that they are playing to the best of their abilities, that is probably the difference.}

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14 Nov 2010 19:36:46
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On a radio phone in today a utd fan said Hodgson is our Dave Sexton. So our next manager will be our Ron Atkinson before we get our SAF?

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14 Nov 2010 19:32:48
14 Nov 2010 18:57:41
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What the hell is going on in the premiership. Chelsea gettin twa* ed 3-0 at home. It's all starting to fall into place for Man Utd, the jammy Ba*tards should have lost scraped a draw and still gained on Chelsea. If we got even a normal start we would be well up there now. What is going on this season, Nobody is totally dominant. We still have a good chance as long as we start putting a long run together.

Sooty

I admire your optimism Sooty.

The Irish Rover

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14 Nov 2010 19:27:31
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Ed did you see the video on you tube showing Alberto Aquilani in action for Juventus against Roma yesterday?' He ran the show, I know it's the Italian 's league but he looked sh*t hot. To me it's just another nail in Roys coffin, loans out Aquilani who cost us £20m and brings in Poulsen who's not worth €20! Please JH bring in King Kenny now! !
Aroc {ed's note - I haven't seen it but I have read a lot of reports stating he is having a good season. I could understand him being sold, but loaning him out makes no sense whatsoever to me. Not with the squad we have.}

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14 Nov 2010 19:24:48
Everyone is slating the back 4 of LFC for being 'hoofers' . It is worth remembering before Arsene Weneger arrived at Arsenal the Arsenal back 4 were exactly that , but soon they became a defence that played the ball along the floor into midfield and even played their way into the final third .

As embsrrassing as it is watching an LFC defence contentedly launch the ball from the back just to defend the goal , it is only the managers fault .

1977

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14 Nov 2010 19:24:43
The most frustrating thing about our campaign so far? We wouldn't even have to be playing at full tilt to be in a title chase! Look at Utd, 7 draws! Chelsea, 3 defeats already! Matches you would expect to win, yet lose or draw. A more open league than last year & we are nowhere to be seen. So annoying, but that's what we have to put up with. Every one needs to get the finger out! Managers, Coaches & Players!

The Irish Rover

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14 Nov 2010 19:16:56
This is **e***** speaking

Lucas is banned for liverpools next game v west ham
west ham have said they will appeal.

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14 Nov 2010 19:06:53
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Roy now go walk out the door
just turn around now
'cause you're not welcome anymore
weren't you the one who tried to hurt us with poor tactics and poor media performances goodbye
you think I'd crumble
you think I'd lay down and die
Oh no, not I
We will survive
as long as we have LFC
I know I will stay alive
I've got all my life to live
I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive
I will survive

Go on now ROY JOG ON! ! ! !

Jim a desperate to get rid of ROY , LFC FAN

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14 Nov 2010 19:02:50
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Re: It was a joke giving ROY or any one a 2 year contract in the first place.All the fans players and staff no its just a caretakers job.NESV please pay roy his £3M PAYOFF and replace with a caretaker with heart and passion for the club ie KK PT IR.Untill we are playing real football again and the new ground is built, and then push the bout out and roll out the red carpet for JM to take us on in a new era.

Sorry bur what are all these abbrvs. How long would it actually take to type their names? The first one is Kenny Dalglish, but who are those other three?

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14 Nov 2010 18:58:21
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Anyone reakon we should start danny wilson at CB, looks a class act, better than skertel in my opinon.[what do you think eds?] {ed's note - I would put him in, he needs to get experience somehow, he won't get it sat watching from the bench.}

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14 Nov 2010 18:57:41
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What the hell is going on in the premiership. Chelsea gettin twa* ed 3-0 at home. It's all starting to fall into place for Man Utd, the jammy Ba*tards should have lost scraped a draw and still gained on Chelsea. If we got even a normal start we would be well up there now. What is going on this season, Nobody is totally dominant. We still have a good chance as long as we start putting a long run together.

Sooty

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14 Nov 2010 18:51:35
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Anyone reakon we should start danny wilson at CB, looks a class act, better than skertel in my opinon.

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14 Nov 2010 18:47:42
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This is what i thought of liverpools performance yesterday.
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Sorry, had to get it out of my system. Anyway, Roy needs to get out of Merseyside

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14 Nov 2010 18:44:47
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Further to my previous post - just read again someone call Benitez a legend.

Manager for 6 years
Over 80 million net spend
2 trophies

Is that the stuff legends are made of? maybe deserve legend status at a small club but not LFC.

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14 Nov 2010 18:41:05
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Villas Boas manages a champions league team.
Why would he leave to join LFC lads?
You really need to get some perspective. We're struggling at the moment and need rebuilding. No manager at a top club will want to take that job on, believe me.

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14 Nov 2010 18:35:09
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Why do people continue to back a manager who spent a fortune, and I don't believe Hicks and Gillett held him back at all as far as transfer funds are concerned, the successes include £10m Kuyt, , 23m Torres, 18m Mascherano , and the not so successful 18m Keane, 20m Aquilaini, 11.5m Babel would you have given him any more money when you look at ALL the bad buys he made? with his outlay, after Istanbul he only won the FA Cup, very luckily I might add, and he blamed everyone else for his own inadequacies.

MOVE ON - he isn't coming back ( thank god ) and the majority of people, when you see his net spend and the fact he never made a mistake, wouldn't want him back.

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14 Nov 2010 18:32:26
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It was a joke giving ROY or any one a 2 year contract in the first place.All the fans players and staff no its just a caretakers job.NESV please pay roy his £3M PAYOFF and replace with a caretaker with heart and passion for the club ie KK PT IR.Untill we are playing real football again and the new ground is built, and then push the bout out and roll out the red carpet for JM to take us on in a new era.

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14 Nov 2010 18:31:52
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14 Nov 2010 17:23:45
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14 Nov 2010 17:14:51
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But Jose is a one of a kind manager. He's probably the best manager of this generation (saf coming second). Players love him also. Sadly he said he would never come to liverpool but never gave his reasons why? anybody knows or got any ideas?
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Mourinho didn't see a future at Liverpool with Hicks and Gillette there, perhaps he would come now that they are gone, however i still think (unfortunately) he wants the Manure job after Sir Alex, more than he wants the Liverpool job. If NESV pitch it right, he might be lured by the prospect of bringing the Title back to Anfield

South African YNWA

man united have already made it clear they want barcas manager gurdiola as there next manager even mentioned that being in the summer, , u reckon he will be gone in the summer saf, , i think his time is up there myself. .he will never get what he wanted to take liverpools record from us ha

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14 Nov 2010 18:27:58
Sorry but can I amend my previous post.
There were 26 draws LAST year in the first 13 league games compared to 45 so far THIS year.
Win a few back-to-back and we'll be up there challenging.
Sounds easy doesn't it?

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14 Nov 2010 18:18:04
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I can not see rafa coming back. Although I'd luv him back. That man had more fight in club than oppesition hicks and gillett killed him. People say he had bat buys he was not given the money for players he wanted, he was given money his second and 3rd choices they set him up to fail because they knew rafa had fans behind him and they made sure we turn against him. And how could they do it. Pay what money they did for aqua from Alonso money to replace him. Rafa was a Liverpool legend who wasn't allowed to be. If he had his first choices before his heart and head wasn't ripped away he would have brought us title under new owners. FACT

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14 Nov 2010 18:17:33
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ED and fellow reds its plain to see that we need a bean pole striker and two pacey tricky wingers who can hold the ball up while our midfield catches up with play , why is it over the the last four years we have put strikers on the wings with no pace no skill , and no class to take on defenders , why not give young stirling ago {ed's note - Sterling is only 16 or so, that is why he hasn't played over the last four years. But I do agree he should get his chance now, with Amoo on the right, Villa are showing the way forward now they have got rid of O'Neill.}

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14 Nov 2010 18:14:00
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Sorry not rumour. . but HOW did woy get fulham to the uefa cup final beating some teams much better than them (shaktar wolfsburg and juventus) when he apparently has no tactical nous?

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14 Nov 2010 18:11:37
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14 Nov 2010 17:58:16
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What the hell is happening at Stamford Bridge?!
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It was suggested on the general rumours page last week that allegedly Ambramovich may be seeking a way of getting out and selling to a Saudi buyer. It has also been alleged that the Russian PM Putin may be flexing his powers and forcing Ambramovich and other wealthy Russian oligarchs to play a larger role in the financing of the World Cup Russia 2018 if the bid proves successful, which is looking more more likely. Maybe the sacking of Wilkins wast he start of part of an attempt to cut costs. We know how this uncertainty at ownership level can cause all kinds of problems for a club. However Chelsea will be there or there abouts in May, worse luck.

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14 Nov 2010 18:07:50
I was right and this really is a wierd season with Sunderland putting 3 past Chelski. With that defeat they still top the league table but have 5 less points than they did at the same time last year.
Place your bets guys we could be in the Champions League after all.

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14 Nov 2010 18:07:04
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Just wanted to say that although the way the team are playing and the general atmosphere isn't helping to bring calmness at the moment, I don't think its fair to think of overseas fans as less than 100% LFC supporters.
I know many fans personally who have emigrated overseas after years of going to every home game, and I don't think the fact that they were born locally makes them any 'better' supporters now that they are abroad, than a soccer fan who fell in love with the club but isn't able to travel to the UK. For many of them it would be a fantastic dream come true to able to see one game, that locals can just catch a bus to go and see, and I think its cruel to underestimate the influence of all of that huge international support- those millions of overseas fans are one of the very reasons that NESV bought the club.
The guy at NESV who got them interested in the club in the first place is an American red, and he might have done more good for the club's fortunes than any other fan I can think of.
I know people who live in nearby towns and travel in for home games, and are absolutely die hard in their loyalty and admiration of the club and its spirit over the decades.
Also I have colleagues who live further away, and who go to games when they can, or when they are in town every few months, but who follow the club's fortunes avidly, and have taken great pleasure from watching the team perform through good and bad over the years.
I wonder if its because of the spirit the club represents, and the way they have played their football, that so many fans are attracted as supporters? They arent just trophy followers as are many overseas Man U fans. Its not league success that has attracted all the supporters, because we havent won for two decades.
There must be something else about LFC that is special, and I say the more people we have supporting the team, the better- wherever they are from, and whether they are lucky enough to be able to get to Anfield or not.

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14 Nov 2010 17:58:16
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What the hell is happening at Stamford Bridge?!

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14 Nov 2010 17:41:56
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I've always thought it and now the proof is conclusive we are in the midst of greatness people! Forget the learned philosophies of Dalglish, Paisley and Shankley we have our very own blair maine square pants! This footballing wise man has blessed us all with his knowledge. Without being a smidge concerened that this guy is ALWAYS on the internet, he shows the world that never going to the same country let alone the City your team plays in means nothing! He has dedicated his life to proving that he knows better than us Scousers! As a city blair we say a collective thank you that you could spare our special club such attention. How very lucky we are that you chose us and no one else what would LFC have possibly done without you blair I shudder to think. . .everyone be VERY grateful!

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14 Nov 2010 17:21:48
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Glad to see that even the crazies asking for Roy to be given more time seem to have given up. Was at Stoke yesterday and i still haven't got over how bad we were. The players through their body language throughout the match seemed to have no faith in Roy and no pleasure in playing football let alone for a great club such as ours which should be automatic. Surely Roy knows that he is damaging a great institution as well as damaging his own personal reputation not just amongst Liverpool supporters but nationally and throughout football. I believe his position is now untenable and that his immediate removal is more important than necessarily having a ready replacement. Roy is no longer minding the shop but burning it down.

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14 Nov 2010 17:21:37
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Not getting into the 'sack the Manager' argument but would ask all posters to take a deeper look at the League this season compared to the same time (after 13 games) last year and not just from LFC point of view.
There is only one team with more points on the board this year after 13 games compared to last year and that's Bolton at +7. Even Chelskie, Manure & the A* *e are -2 points down, assuming the last game Cheslkie / Sunderland is a win for the team with 'no history'. Villa & Spurs are down 6 points on the same time last year. Liverpool, Sunderland & Fulham are down 4 points and for all their big spending Man Citeh are on exactly the same number of points after 13 games as they were last year. Money well spent? ?
There had been 45 draws last year between teams after the first 13 league games compared to 26 draws this year.
I suppose my message is "Don't panic" but that's easier said than done when we see the lads performing well below their potential.
If you look at the way the league is shaping up a run of 3 or 4 wins and we could find ourselves in the top 6 at least.
I'm so convinced this season is the wierdest one we have seen for ages that I'm having a bet on LFC sealing a Champions League spot and another bet on who seals the Europa League 5th spot - Manure or Citeh?


spot on mate chelea o sunderland 2 strange season

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14 Nov 2010 17:15:25
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Not getting into the 'sack the Manager' argument but would ask all posters to take a deeper look at the League this season compared to the same time (after 13 games) last year and not just from LFC point of view.
There is only one team with more points on the board this year after 13 games compared to last year and that's Bolton at +7. Even Chelskie, Manure & the A* *e are -2 points down, assuming the last game Cheslkie / Sunderland is a win for the team with 'no history'. Villa & Spurs are down 6 points on the same time last year. Liverpool, Sunderland & Fulham are down 4 points and for all their big spending Man Citeh are on exactly the same number of points after 13 games as they were last year. Money well spent? ?
There had been 45 draws last year between teams after the first 13 league games compared to 26 draws this year.
I suppose my message is "Don't panic" but that's easier said than done when we see the lads performing well below their potential.
If you look at the way the league is shaping up a run of 3 or 4 wins and we could find ourselves in the top 6 at least.
I'm so convinced this season is the wierdest one we have seen for ages that I'm having a bet on LFC sealing a Champions League spot and another bet on who seals the Europa League 5th spot - Manure or Citeh?

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14 Nov 2010 17:06:29
This raises the most important issue in our situation, I feel. I know many are desperate to get rid of Roy and get in any number of suggested saviours. However, wouldn't we be better off to let the new CEO get appointed and established, start building some of the off-field stuff that NESV need to do (stadium, marketing in the USA, far east etc) and really focus on next season?

We leave Roy alone (barring a disastrous run of form obviously!), try and sign some young, talented players that any manager would want in January (Griezmann, Afellay, etc) and assess again in April. If Roy hasn't impressed still then we get rid, appoint a new man (after the correct amount of consideration) and really kick-start the future using the summer transfer window.

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If Hodgson stays and keeps restricting the attacking talent of our players and playing this poor football, the top players will undoubtidly leave the club. And what's the point in signing quality attacking players when Roy will restrict them?

I'd prefer we got someone else in and let them leave their mark on the team before going into the transfer windows. And if we can't find someone, let Kenny take the reigns and properly steady the ship.

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14 Nov 2010 17:01:17
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{ed's note - I don't know if Coyle is the answer, like I said I doubt he would leave Bolton right now, they are a club he has a lot of love for. But he does seem like the right type of manager.}
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I liked Frank Rikjaard. And he spoke good English also. Only issue was that at Barcelona he was too laid back and in the end I think (not sure) he failed to deal with an internal rift involving players (Ronaldinho & Eto'o I think).

Not really many options for us at the moment managerial wise. If Hodgson goes, Kenny will probably take over. Hope the backroom staff go also.

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14 Nov 2010 16:44:32
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{ed's note - I think it would help no end having a coach that plays the right way, players always feel they have more chance of winning things with a coach who sends them out to try and beat the opposition.}
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Very true mate. A team which is scoring goals, attacking and winning gains confidence and makes the opposition fear them.

I can't imagine how good we would be if Gerrard, J.Cole, Miereles, Lucas, Kuyt and Torres were given the freedom to do what they do best. (Thats with any attack minded manager).

Must say though, I've warmed to Coyle more since you've been saying all this lol. {ed's note - I don't know if Coyle is the answer, like I said I doubt he would leave Bolton right now, they are a club he has a lot of love for. But he does seem like the right type of manager.}

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14 Nov 2010 16:40:33
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TopCat {ed's note - I very much doubt he would leave Bolton, not at this point in time anyway, that is why I have never even put him up for consideration.}

I'm sure he'd be interested at the end of the season, though?

This raises the most important issue in our situation, I feel. I know many are desperate to get rid of Roy and get in any number of suggested saviours. However, wouldn't we be better off to let the new CEO get appointed and established, start building some of the off-field stuff that NESV need to do (stadium, marketing in the USA, far east etc) and really focus on next season?

We leave Roy alone (barring a disastrous run of form obviously!), try and sign some young, talented players that any manager would want in January (Griezmann, Afellay, etc) and assess again in April. If Roy hasn't impressed still then we get rid, appoint a new man (after the correct amount of consideration) and really kick-start the future using the summer transfer window.

I know it's risky in that players may want to leave after a potentially poor season, but if we make enough of a statement in January window then hopefully those who are committed to the club will understand that a bit of pain is needed to move forward in the long-term. If not, we get rid and replace them. LFC is bigger than any player.

For me, the option of sacking Roy now HAS to depend on who we can replace him with. That means don't do it now; do it at the end of the season when managers are more willing to leave their clubs, and we can really target the right man for the job.

Please don't let us turn into Man City and appoint a series of 'nearly men', who are only available mid-season because they've been sacked elsewhere.

TopCat

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14 Nov 2010 16:40:31
I have read all the posts today and don't agree with soe of them.for starters the criticism of carra is disgraceful.hes not a right back so why is hodgson playing him there , both carra and kelly were our best players against chelsea 2nd half last week.why hodgson changed it i don't know, brought in kyrgiakos who in my opinion has no positional sense whatsoever and has the pace of a granny with 2 hip replacements.skrtl was also terrible yesterday , hasnt played well at all this season and konchesky simply isn't good enough.maxi was poor yesterday and has been all season, mereilles is a good player but not a winger, lucas is too incosistent and gerrard is trying to carry the midfield himself because of this.torres isn't working off the ball as much as he did when he first came, used to chase lost causes like rushie did but hasnt done a whole lot of that this season.i don't honestly think they want to play for hodgson as he doesn't set teams out to win games, he sets his teams out to defend and this negativity is transferred onto the players.i didn't think he was the right man for the job from the start and think he should have went after the blackpool game.i wouldn't like dalglish either, the man is a legend and i wouldn't like that status to change.i would like to see the guy from porto taking over, young and plays the game the way it should be played.nesv splash the cash then with three world class players , bring some talent from the academy and get pepe, el nino and stevie g playing with a smile om there faces again and we will be back where we belong, challenging for the league and putting the fear of god into every team in europe.do you agree with any of this ed stan the red ynwa

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14 Nov 2010 16:39:54
To this poster

Another fantastic performance by the most boring team in the premier league, destroyed by the mighty Stoke, ha ha ha, your a laughing stock"
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Why thank you so much. will you be ok crossing the road by yourself or shall i get matron to help you.

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14 Nov 2010 16:34:39
{ed's note - you would have to say that the other main difference between the two is that players love playing for Coyle. They love the style of football and the training, whereas players say Roy is a great coach etc, but none ever say they ENJOYED playing for him.}
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I don't really read much into that kind of issue at other club's mate so I don't tend to notice these things. (Suppose I should). But I look at Bolton sitting 5th in the league which is a credit.

I will read more into the Coyle-Bolton thing.

Do you think he could convince someone like Torres to remain at the club? {ed's note - I think it would help no end having a coach that plays the right way, players always feel they have more chance of winning things with a coach who sends them out to try and beat the opposition.}

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14 Nov 2010 16:33:20
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"14 Nov 2010 16:29:56
Another fantastic performance by the most boring team in the premier league, destroyed by the mighty Stoke, ha ha ha, your a laughing stock"

What's even funnier is how you only have the balls to turn up when Spurs actually win.

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14 Nov 2010 16:29:56
Another fantastic performance by the most boring team in the premier league, destroyed by the mighty Stoke, ha ha ha, your a laughing stock

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14 Nov 2010 16:26:08
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{ed's note - the difference being that Roy Hodgson is a defensive-minded coach, Owen Coyle is much more attack-minded. Though you might very well be right, I feel the differences are huge.}
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I like that Coyle is attack minded (and I think they sit 5th in the PL, impressive). And I think if we were more attacking we'd be much better. However many issues that were raised with Hodgson would be raised with someone like Coyle, for example, could he gain the respect of the bigger players?

It would be fair to say that Coyle would be a risk, and its clear that certain players are running out of patience and could leave the club which would be devastating for us.

I wasn't sure about Hodgson, and I wouldn't be sure about Coyle either. But hey, we all have different opinions at the end of the day. But we all want the same thing. {ed's note - you would have to say that the other main difference between the two is that players love playing for Coyle. They love the style of football and the training, whereas players say Roy is a great coach etc, but none ever say they ENJOYED playing for him.}

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14 Nov 2010 16:17:54
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If johnson doesn't play then yeah soto comes in the middle and kelly plays where johnson

again i have only used players the same players that roy has used but with me it is to attack first not to defend first

that is the best i can come up with for the players that play all the time,

just one note i am not a lucas lover its just i think a player deserved to be judged when he plays in is best position

ed what you think of the tactics and over lucas?


Tazz YNWA {ed's note - I am not a fan of a back 3, it leaves far too many gaps at the back without increasing attacking width sufficiently to make up for it, it is a tactic of need rather than choice.}

ok yeah i agree it does leave holes but it is trying to get the best out of the players we have there
all the players are there to play there positions that is the only formation i can see with no wingers

How would you play ed with the same players roy uses? {ed's note - I wouldn't pick the same players Roy uses, I see no hope in doing so, most of them are not fit to clean the boots let alone wear them.}

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14 Nov 2010 16:15:39
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FFS - bring RAFA back brigade are here again - Mascherano, Kuyt, Torres, Reina - a blind man with interest in Morris Dancing could have signed them, a real talent spotter eh! ! !

Sold Risse - bought Dossena ( 4m loss )
Bought Skirtl - let Hyppia go
Bought Johnson - let Arbeloa go ( I know he wanted to go - but to pay 13m more for Johnson has to be the worst bit of transfer business in history )
Tried to sell Alonso to Juve.
Josemi, Voronin, Nunez, Kromkamp, Paletta, Pelligreno, Degen, Keane ( 6m loss ), Gonzalez


The mans f* k ups just go on and on, and I also doubt he had any influence in bringing the kids like Pacheco to the club

And please don't mention Istanbul - the pr*ck started with Harry Kewell.

And his net spend is over 80 million.

John B

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14 Nov 2010 16:09:37
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I see alot of people on here addind there teams with no lucas why?

everybody says hes rubbish and not good enough to be in the team hes s* t bla bla bla

you tell me if you played for your local team or even if you played for liverpool been trained to be a cm/ atm which means to attack more then to defend (still have to defend at times that's obvious) would you want to play a holding midfield role with in that team now lucas is playing the holding role because that is what he is willing to do for the team not for himself.

i don't have a judgement on the lad he is trying is best for the team i want to see him in a midfield 3 of meriles, gerrard and lucas then i will have a judgement about him.

only 4 years ago he was the youngest winner of player of the year in brazil players to win this in the past include Zico, Falcão, Careca, Alex, Romario, Kaká and Tévez.

he never played as a holding midfield player for sure.

so from being the best player in brazil liverpool in about 3yrs have turned him from a very very good prospect to the player we see today out of position, frustrated but is trying.

maybe people can see why not alot of young brazilian players come to england i think teams in europe spain and italy especially are willing to use them the way they are suppose to be used.

this is the problem with liverpool now there are to many players not playing where they should
we have to play to our strengths if you look around the squad there is more attacking players then defending players (wake up roy)

my team would be 5-3-2 and it would work like this
with the same players hodgson uses


reina

kelly carragher skrtel


johnson konchesky

gerrard
meriles lucas



kuyt torres


if johnson doesn't play then yeah soto comes in the middle and kelly plays where johnson

again i have only used players the same players that roy has used but with me it is to attack first not to defend first

that is the best i can come up with for the players that play all the time,

just one note i am not a lucas lover its just i think a player deserved to be judged when he plays in is best position

ed what you think of the tactics and over lucas?


Tazz YNWA {ed's note - I am not a fan of a back 3, it leaves far too many gaps at the back without increasing attacking width sufficiently to make up for it, it is a tactic of need rather than choice.}

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14 Nov 2010 16:06:55
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Woy needs to go! ! that stoke game was horiffic to wotch. That team he put out yesterday should heve beaten stoke, maybe not easily but it was a far better team. The fact we lost, points to one thing, the tactics must have been wrong he thinks were fulham! and now hes trying to force out johnson. . good idea woy when he is one of two decent right backs, not includeing carra who aint got the legs for it anymore n is far better commanding the defence from the middle. Ok mate uve had your shot at the big time n uve been found wanting.

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14 Nov 2010 16:05:40
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I see a lot of people mentioning the likes of Owen Coyle for the Liverpool job. Good British manager who has done a good job at Bolton you say?? Isn't that what we were saying about Roy Hodgson at Fulham folks? Good British manager who knows the English game and did wonders at Fulham? {ed's note - the difference being that Roy Hodgson is a defensive-minded coach, Owen Coyle is much more attack-minded. Though you might very well be right, I feel the differences are huge.}

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14 Nov 2010 15:50:48
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Those people that still believe in roy get to reallity.we are goin no where with him, we were just lucky of winnin the chelsea game! eventough messi comes to liverpool under roy we are still goin to be loosing, we need somebody like di matteo I see him as the best but 4 me I see it unpossible, next bring juan mata, not only him he would solve the problem of left wing also bring jesus navas, and may b andy caroll.ed wat do you think.Roy out, Di matteo innnnnnnnnnnnn {ed's note - I think Di Matteo is one of the better options out there, he would certainly be one of the first people I would make enquiries about if it was up to me.}

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14 Nov 2010 15:48:07
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Sadly agree RH has to go after the display yesterday. His tactics suck and he obvioulsy does not have the respect of the players. From an NESV perspective they only have one way forward really:
1 remove RH soon
2 Persuade the keyplayers to stay
3 Appoint a new or interim manager that they will respond to.

The latter is the difficult one as you have to get the new appointment right and that could take time. . hence the interim option which can only be KD. Also sees if he can still hack it! Promising more stuff to the players will just mean the run of indifferent performances will continue. More points lost.

They need confidence going forward. .apart from Skrtel who was pants yesterday and should have been sent off fo his wrestling bout with Huth! Need a new back 4 in my view.

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14 Nov 2010 15:47:43
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Liverpool need to sign a quality central midfielder there crap in there.
but who?

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14 Nov 2010 15:41:24
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Hick's & Gillet were lucky to get out when they did.
They were also lucky to find a mug like henry to pay £300 million for a team that needs a new ground (£375 million) & to build a new team (£200 million)
It could end up like buying a season ticket for the Titanic.

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14 Nov 2010 15:40:41
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Roy Hodgson was always going to be a short -term appointment due to the fact that H & g were on their way out. Now NESV have taken control pf the club and therefore steadied the ship financially- there will be changes- it's inevitable. I really feel they have to make the most of this situation & look at other teams around us & be bold. If you look @ Man Utd- Taggart has probably got 2 more seasons left. Wenger's probably got 3 more seasons & Chelsea's ancelotti is no spring chicken (also their squad has a high average age as well).

SO, Henry must face the music & let Roy go. He should then use all his power, wealth & connections to appoint a man with the following attributes: 1.Proven success 2. Youth on his side 3.plays football the right way. 4 Brings in brand names as well as youngsters- There is only one choice for me: Pep Guardiola! So King Kenny till end of season then get the man!

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14 Nov 2010 15:25:29
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NESV and John W Henry know what they're doing. Keep the faith, they will not risk their latest purchase falling apart, Roy will go soon and either a temp or a promising long term manager will be his replacement. People on here are talking as if they don't believe nesv are aware of things, they are, anyone who watches us play are, give them time to act. Let's not p*as off our new owners by showering them with news and views they already know.


Faith, faith.

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14 Nov 2010 15:24:21
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"just how could roy sue the ass off the club under what grounds? "

For a start he would he be able to his job while being undermined by his employer? No.

Anyway anyone who believes this rumour would be foolish to think a company like NESV would do their business is such amateurish way.

It did not happen.

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14 Nov 2010 15:23:33
Everyone saying get rafa back?if im not mistaken didn't stevie and nando say last season if rafa stays we are going?

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14 Nov 2010 15:20:46
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RAFFA!
Spent 30 million total expenditure, better point average than Alex in premier league!
Bought Torres, Mascherano, Pepe Reina, kuyt, Alonso, G Johnson, Aquillani, Pacheco, suso, Sterling, shelvey, Alaya etc.?
Roy 22 million poulsen, meireles, konchesky?

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14 Nov 2010 15:17:11
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If Carragher wasn't from liverpool, he wouldn't be in the squad.full stop. .hearts ruling the mind. he's been past it the last couple of seasons. .


Good Shout!

I totally agree with you on this. . . Even though he is certainly a LFC Legend it has to be said he has certainly slowed down in terms of pace and when he gets possesion of the ball with time he holds on to the ball too long for me and gives the opposing team time to regroup. Even then at best he only usually floats the ball up front into space when we should be playing the ball out of defence on the floor.
We need a fresh young CB with high potential to fight for the 2 CB positions with Agger and Skrtel and in Wilson we have one. . Why hasn't he been tried properly yet?
Village.

Firstly to the two muppets who said this slagging carra off. Are you out of minds, hes still the best cb we have by a country mile did neither of watch the chelsea game, carra made two superb last tackles to keep us in it in the second half. Yes he's lost a little pace, but his reading of the game remains excellent. If you seriously think that skrtel, agger and the greek are in his class you are deluded. Don't slag one of the legends and profess to be fans, I bet you've never even been to anfield. Jokers!


Secondly, in respect of a new manager, Roy is struggling, no doubt, but I think given time he may well succed. However it doesn't look like he's going to ger the time so I think that the people who are touting sean o' driscoll are very wise indeed. I live in donacster and see as much of rovers as i do of liverpool and o'driscoll is an absolute magician, rovers play like arsenal, but retain a tight defensive structure, it would be a highly unsual appointment but fortune favours the brave.


FIRSTLY if you read my post again you will see that i didn't acually slag of Carra and if you read it further you would understand that i actually refer to him as a LFC Legend to which he will always be remembered long after he hangs up his boots. . All i am saying is that eventually we have to move on from reputations and at some points during games you can see that Carra is certainly off pace and also that he doesn't distribute the ball well enough and it is costing us as we are creating much anymore. .

SECONDLY RH isn't going to succeed as Manager of LFC now or given time will he. . . His continuous want to play players out of position is costing him and us daerly and will continue to do so as long as he is in charge. .

So Called Muppet. .

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14 Nov 2010 15:13:38
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"14 Nov 2010 14:40:39
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Jose Mourinho (unlikley) Owen Coyle, Martin O'neill, Kenny Dalglish(short term), Didier Deschamps, Bob Bradley (yank) are on the shortlist to replace Roy Hodgson."

Maureen - needs money to spend and favours holding midfielders, arguably just as defensive as Rafa, making even Inter a counter attacking side
Coyle - Not long into his Bolton contract and loves the club
MON - as defensive and long ball as Hodgson
Dalglish - deserves better than to be a stop gap manager. Appointing him could risk his status as a true club legend and i for one don't want to see him become another Souness/ Lee
Deschamps - good shout, he's signed a contract extension, though hardly a long term one so it's very possible
Bradley - another who favours combative counter attacking

I'm just hoping that the lack of leaks indicates that things are under close wraps rather than NESV simply not seeking to address the managerial situation as a priority.

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14 Nov 2010 15:12:46
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What about Quique Sanchez Flores? He's young, determend, successful, knowledgeable, respected and bringing attractive football.
Failing him then maybe West Broms Di Matteo
{Editor's note - I still think a good replacement would be O'Driscoll}

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14 Nov 2010 15:07:42
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How our mighty club has fallin. Yet a good manager and right coaching staff maybe just what we need right now

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14 Nov 2010 15:05:31
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To all those advocating harassing the new owners via Twitter, e-mail, or even by telephone, I want to make it clear that you represent nothing except your own rank stupidity. What is required now is logic. When the club was looking for a new owner, time was taken to ensure that the club did not end up leaping from the pan into the fire. The same calm logic needs to applied now to ensure that NESV appoint the right man. It is crucial that we do not end up with somebody like Gordon Strachan, after all. NESV are not fools and will be well aware of the situation. Leave them to make their decisions in peace and the outcome is far more likely to be satisfactory in the long run. Let's not have a replacement manager who then needs replacing again almost immediately. Let's have the best possible candidate, how ever long that takes.

Red Owl

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14 Nov 2010 14:57:12
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Its too disappointing. . Team hasn't performed except 3-4 games this season. . But still, there is no pressure on Hodgson. .
Roy states "rebuiding" is in process, what kind of rebuilding is this? Is he re-building a new stadium. i think, if you, urself compare the players of us against oppositions like stoke, wigan, blackpool, etc. . You would come with only one answer, we are far better than those. . Poulsen is the only odd, one. . But still our style of play is not attacking, we have lost winning mentality and the biggest disappointment is that its never shocking to lose against mid-table oppositions. We somewhere in our mind are ready for that. .
I think only problem is Roy Hodgson! What are your thoughts frnz and especially, ed. . Do you think our player are noty even of the calibre of those players, I have mentioned. . Is there any chance to see Roy getting sacked!
{Editor's note - Liverpool are looking for a suitable replacement for RH}

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14 Nov 2010 14:56:05
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Roy Dodgson to get the sack & kenny to take over as temporary manager till a top replacement is found. If no manager is available by January, kenny should get rid of poulson, n'grog, mucus, konchesky, aurellio (why did we buy sicknote back again?, to bench warm?) and Ryan scabble. He should bring in Aguero, Adam Johnson (subject to availability), Mata/ Turan, Lahm, Bale and a sh*t hot defensive midfielder.

The Roachmiester

what an idiot, that little layout would cost near £150m, what planet are you on? seriously mate keep paying your sky subscription and stop playing Football Manager! none of these players will be at LFC in January, i can see Honda coming in as well as Jarvis from Wolves RedRobbo

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14 Nov 2010 14:50:01
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Can't believe we have become such a team that West Ham fancy their chances. It seems Hodgson is staying as manager until at least the end of the season. I think we will finish the season trophyless and between 7th and 12th in the league. This would see the likes of Torres and Reina leave plus others.
Our club isn't stablizing but infact in free fall. Our great club is looking like it's becoming the next Everton and I'm for one fckn pssd!

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14 Nov 2010 14:40:10
To this poster

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See there was more dalgleish chants yesterday. Feel abit sorry for roy because if a legend says he wants to be manager and they appoint someone else he's obviously going to get some flack when things don't go well. Fact is we have crap players left over from last regime whether its rafas fault or the board or both it doesn't matter. We use to have a very good range or forwards which were sold and are now playing for clubs above us in table. We also sold other players like riise who had 1 bad season and weren't given another chance. We also haven't replaced these players.

One thing I don't understand is from when roy took over is why did he put aqua on loan when we already had a skeleton squad? He needed game time but there's plenty of europa games for him.

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The chants for kk were not because he didn't get the job, or any unfairness towards roy. Its more to do with the really quite shocking lack of tactical awareness, the total mismanagement of the media, an appalling level of personal relations with the players.
Sorry. i don't agree with with regard to the so called "crap players" left over form the previous regime. This is practically a team full of internationals. although you would be hard pushed to see that because of roy constantly playing people out of position or telling them to stay in their own half. We are not playing to the strengths of the players we have, its more utilising an antiquated system that roy used to keep mediocre teams from getting relegated.
If you blame rafa or the board for the players then roy has to take a huge part of the blame, it was criminally insane to go into a new season without backup for torres, instead he bought a below average midfielder, a debateable right back, and a good midfielder raul, (when he plays him in the right place.
You say we used to have forwards, well we still do. but they won't get a chance under roy. why is pacheco or suso not at least on the bench. because of roy.

The team needs a proper manager, end of story

chris 1

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14 Nov 2010 14:33:28
Looking at the villa game yesterday and the everton game now just upsets me. Albrighton and coleman looking good. In my honest opinion i think given the time amoo and raheem sterling can be just as good or even better. They have pace, skill and a good shot on them. But who am i to tell the brilliant roy hodgson what to do. Carra is way past his best(which wasnt that good either to be honest. If he wasnt a local lad he wouldn't be in the 1st team. 100% comitted yes. A good defender, no), konk and skrtel are awful and clueless. Yet ayala is out on loan, mavinga and robinson are rotting in the reserves, agger is being alienated for speaking the truth and it seems that kelly needs to score a hat trick to cement a 1st team place, despite looking like the best right back in the league at the moment. Sigh. . Dont get me started on the young spanish messi(pacheco). Ed you agree with me or is this just the painkillers talking?
Red bl00ded! {ed's note - I agree but then I have always been a fan of giving kids a chance, it was one of the things we always did in the past. Though I think you are overdoing it on Pacheco, Suso is better, definitely.}

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14 Nov 2010 14:21:21
RH must leave now

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14 Nov 2010 14:20:38
Watched motd last night and i was disgusted with roys interview, he didn't seem upset or dissappointed that we lost, even looked and sounded happy for stoke!
We need a left back- coentrao,
Cm- banega, wingers- mata/ afellay/ honda, striker- Aguero/ hulk
desperate.
untill wednesday/ yesterday i wanted roy to have a chance, but we can't rely on winning home games and losing all our away games and not trying to win them!
ROY OUT NOW! !

RedKaley

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14 Nov 2010 14:18:26
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I don't get why people think Johnson is a bad player. he was fine for England in the world cup, if you tell him not to go forward frequently he would do that. he did it to england. his problem is to get back quickly when he is going forward but while he is there he is a very good defender. we payed £18 mil coz he knows how to attack well. all the best full backs in the world have better attacking ability than defending. look around

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14 Nov 2010 14:15:54
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14 Nov 2010 13:23:10
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Watched Barca play last night. 2-3-2-3 formation with lots of players that had come through their academy. If only we could be so brave!

Would love Kenny to enforce a policy of 'Liverpool FC play 4-3-3 with quick, attacking football' from the academy up to the first team and give the team an identity for the years to come."

Spot on! We've lacked a common system and approach for years and this isn't helping the youngster bed in when they finally get their first team chances. The sorry fact is that the gulf between what Segura and Borrell are building and the first team supposed end product has never been wider and i know which i'd rather watch.

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Glad someone sees sense in this too and agrees with me. If we were brave we'd be playing this after January:

Reina
Kelly - Carra - Agger - Insua(Back from loan)/ Robinson
Meireles - Gerrard - Aquilani(Back from loan)/ Shelvey
Pacheco - Torres - Bojan(6 month loan)/ Cole

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14 Nov 2010 14:15:50
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Oh how we missed the a chance to bring Houllier back! Those who saw Villa's game yesterday will understand. Villa's now a team of young talents- - Bannan, Albrighton, Hogg, Lichaj, Herd, Lowry, Delfouneso, Osbourne, Clark all in the starting line-ups against Manutd(couple of them got their debut) . And how they're improving every time I see them!

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14 Nov 2010 14:11:57
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Ok so agger is not playing because he is injured. I do remember though that even when he was fit he was still deployed as a lb not a cb, usually substituting konchesky. It is clear that roy being the prick he is would not play the best cb we have just because he wouldn't hoof the ball up the field like skrtel, carragher and soto. Another case is aurelio. Where is he? for what efforts exactly does he takes his wages? what was the point of re-signing him? Our defence needs an overhaul IMO.

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if the whole team plays well and if the midfield gets hold of the ball and stop making mistakes which was the case in the games against wigan and stoke, we have a good defence. if skrtel plays by agger's side he would be ok. the problem now is when carragher is around they are always defending with panic. they never pass comfortable balls to the midfield. just hit the ball away to avoid the blame and it always comes back to them when they play like that. i like carragher's commitment to the game. but his defending style is too old fashioned. it may work for him but the way he yells and looks terrified gives a moral for average attackers and instability to our defenders. and Konchesky is always deep. he has to even when he gets pass from Reina, he is always deep and out of position that he doesn't even have time to shape his body to make a right pass. he ends up making a back pass to the keeper.
for now Johnson-skirtel-Agger-Aurelio are my prefernces

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14 Nov 2010 14:06:16
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Quick question for you ed , who would you rather see partner torres , . . .aguero or suarez or llorente , i would have any of them tbh ed

LFCmattyy {ed's note - Llorente without doubt for me.}

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14 Nov 2010 14:04:08
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If Carragher wasn't from liverpool, he wouldn't be in the squad.full stop. .hearts ruling the mind. he's been past it the last couple of seasons. .


Good Shout!

I totally agree with you on this. . . Even though he is certainly a LFC Legend it has to be said he has certainly slowed down in terms of pace and when he gets possesion of the ball with time he holds on to the ball too long for me and gives the opposing team time to regroup. Even then at best he only usually floats the ball up front into space when we should be playing the ball out of defence on the floor.
We need a fresh young CB with high potential to fight for the 2 CB positions with Agger and Skrtel and in Wilson we have one. . Why hasn't he been tried properly yet?
Village.

Firstly to the two muppets who said this slagging carra off. Are you out of minds, hes still the best cb we have by a country mile did neither of watch the chelsea game, carra made two superb last tackles to keep us in it in the second half. Yes he's lost a little pace, but his reading of the game remains excellent. If you seriously think that skrtel, agger and the greek are in his class you are deluded. Don't slag one of the legends and profess to be fans, I bet you've never even been to anfield. Jokers!


Secondly, in respect of a new manager, Roy is struggling, no doubt, but I think given time he may well succed. However it doesn't look like he's going to ger the time so I think that the people who are touting sean o' driscoll are very wise indeed. I live in donacster and see as much of rovers as i do of liverpool and o'driscoll is an absolute magician, rovers play like arsenal, but retain a tight defensive structure, it would be a highly unsual appointment but fortune favours the brave.

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14 Nov 2010 14:03:54
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ROY HAS 2 GO NO EXUSES!LIKE H/ G. . .LETS FACE IT, OUR SQUAD DESERVE BETTER THAN THIS, IF THIS GOES THROUGH ANOTHER WEEK AND ANOTHER EXUSE, IT WILL BE VERY SAD, BOARD HAVE 2 WORK REALY FAST, THE CONCEPT/ APROACH/ MENTALITY OF THE GAME IS VERY WRONG, WE SHOULD BE ATTACKING MENTALITY, NOT FOR SURE WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY!LETS KICK OUT STUPID ROY!

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14 Nov 2010 14:03:33
Hey guys, do you think that if liverpool was taken over by a multi-billionaire like from an arab country rather than NESV and roy having us playing like this, do you think he'll be sacked by now?

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14 Nov 2010 13:43:48
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I personally think that Carragher is part of the problem.No wonder Purslow was replaced days after it was announced that he had signed a new 2 yr contract.R H should choose his centre back pairing and play them.Carragher offers nothing going forward, so why play him at right back? Hodgson hasnt got the bottle to drop him.He has giving the club great service, but in my opinion he is 20 mths past his best.Yes he could do a job for a midtable team.I don't want to be a midtable team. As I said part of the problem I am not blaming just Jamie for Where we are.I like my knees.

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14 Nov 2010 13:41:25
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See there was more dalgleish chants yesterday. Feel abit sorry for roy because if a legend says he wants to be manager and they appoint someone else he's obviously going to get some flack when things don't go well. Fact is we have crap players left over from last regime whether its rafas fault or the board or both it doesn't matter. We use to have a very good range or forwards which were sold and are now playing for clubs above us in table. We also sold other players like riise who had 1 bad season and weren't given another chance. We also haven't replaced these players.

One thing I don't understand is from when roy took over is why did he put aqua on loan when we already had a skeleton squad? He needed game time but there's plenty of europa games for him.

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14 Nov 2010 13:39:47
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The current consensus of opinion is that RH should go. The truth is that he should never have been appointed. Yes he has the image of a dignified man who would bring stability to wherever he was employed, but the vociferous public attack on Glen Johnson belies that image. It appears to have been a shifting of attention from his own position onto a player who come under the spotlight himself. This is unacceptable from a Liverpool manager.

The man has begun to systematically alienate the very players who are best placed to keep him in a job. Reina, Torres, Carragher and Gerrard are all unhappy with the tactics, some signings and the general direction in which we are heading.

Poulsen has been a disaster who would struggle to get into a decent Championship side and Konchesky is the worst left back ever at the club (even worse than Dicks). He was not good enough for Fulham but yet is apparently what we need for Liverpool. For this reason alone RH should be sacked before irreparable damage is done to the long-term future of the club.

There have been numerous calls on this site for the inclusion of Suso into the first team fold. The lad is a fantastic talent who has a massive future ahead of him BUT, there is no way that his career will be advanced by being included in a struggling side. The time to use his talents will be when the team is flying again and challenging for a top 4 spot.

I think the temporary appointment of King Kenny as an interim boss would lift the clouds around the dressing room and amongst the fans. However I believe that to progress as a club (and it pains me to say this) we need a more contemporary appointment. That said, if he was successful, then i would like to see NESV reward him with a long term contract.

Mr. Henry has to be able to show the fans that he can make the tough decisions for the good of the club. this means that Roy, his negative tactics, (don't forget that Fulham only won 1 away game in the Prem. last year), his mealy-mouthed grovelling interviews and antiquated and defensive mentality all have to be kicked to the kerb. Liverpool are not a sacking club but that should change now before the malaise becomes an epidemic.

Long live the Reds! !

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14 Nov 2010 13:35:08
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If Carra didn't have the status he has with Liverpool fans he wouldn't be playing now- not at right back anyway. Carra HAS to play in the centre of defence to be effective. All he does on the right, is stumble forward several yards and aimlessly loft the ball forward.
If Johnson can't play then it has to be Kelly at right back otherwise we're deeming our entire right side useless on the offensive.

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14 Nov 2010 13:32:48
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I couldn't believe how bad we played last night, and against Wigan. It was a complete and utter shocker! Despite of all the rumours of a new manager coming i still think that we're stuck with Woy for the rest of the season. I'm a pretty patient guy and would like managers to be given their chance to prove and demonstrate what they can give to our club, but man. .i think my patients is taking its toll and Woy needs to go. Threre's too much negativity in the way we play against lower teams. Woy has showed no signs of improvement at all. I can see our season dragging even longer with the boring and negative football we're playing at the moment. If Liverpool carries on like this, then boy. . it looks like i'm spending my time playing Footy manager! Atleast i get to manage a team that plays POSITIVE and ATTACKING FOOTBALL and that WINS! !

oh and by the way there is no news conference tomorrow regarding Woy's resignation. It's all a load of bullocks!

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14 Nov 2010 13:23:10
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Watched Barca play last night. 2-3-2-3 formation with lots of players that had come through their academy. If only we could be so brave!

Would love Kenny to enforce a policy of 'Liverpool FC play 4-3-3 with quick, attacking football' from the academy up to the first team and give the team an identity for the years to come."

Spot on! We've lacked a common system and approach for years and this isn't helping the youngster bed in when they finally get their first team chances. The sorry fact is that the gulf between what Segura and Borrell are building and the first team supposed end product has never been wider and i know which i'd rather watch.

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14 Nov 2010 13:12:28
This is theturdzspeaking
when we had paco ayestaran as coach we played some of our best football since the 80s pure passing and attacking after he left after a fallout with benitez we got sammy lee who was a decent player but he will never be a great coach or motivator him and hodgson must go as their both negative in their tactics and 2 negatives won't make a possitive get kenny in for the rest of the season with tommo or rush and watch us climb the prem

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14 Nov 2010 13:08:46
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Watched Barca play last night. 2-3-2-3 formation with lots of players that had come through their academy. If only we could be so brave!

Would love Kenny to enforce a policy of 'Liverpool FC play 4-3-3 with quick, attacking football' from the academy up to the first team and give the team an identity for the years to come.

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14 Nov 2010 13:00:52
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If i were Woy and i hadn't been sacked already, i would use head and shoulders for the dandruff and the the team i would pick against WHFC would be. .

Reina

Kelly Wilson Skrtel Aurelio


Pacheco Gerrard Merieles Jovanovic

Cole

Torres

Shelvey would definately be on the bench too with a definate view to bringing him on as sub in every game here in to blood him slowly but surely.

Village

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14 Nov 2010 12:52:47
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Roy needs to go! Saying they did their best against a strong Stoke team is like saying you're going to have a go with your hot sister. . WRONG! !

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14 Nov 2010 12:45:26
Carragher is a great defender and hates to play at right back he never had great pace but the ability to read the game so to say he lost his legs is not ture because he never had any but i think we all know we need to look to the future i like gary cahill i think we could get him for a decent price as well also johnson should be called darren anderton his a sick note we should sell him and buy a right back who can defend and attack not just attack and leave us exposed to the counter and we should give hogson till xmas because we are liverpool we give managers time but if results don't improve i like the young athletico madrid manager

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14 Nov 2010 12:40:51
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Great site with real passion.I'd like to say that Roy needs to start playing the youngsters more often, maybe they would bring a bit more energy and spark to the team as they have somrthing to prove.Spearing, Shellvey, Wilson, Ayala, Pacheco. .the list goes on, their not going to get experience without playing, at this moment in time we've got nothing to loose.Skrtel is appauling, Poulsen words fail me, Ivanovic headless chicken, Babel FORGET IT! .

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14 Nov 2010 12:33:07
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I've rang John W henrys number about 1000 times i found his company contact on his site it costs a lot to call america but i couldn't care less go to www.jwh.com
and go to contact us maybe he might be in his office i've left him so many messages saying sack roy guys join me and do so too! ! ROY OUT!

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14 Nov 2010 12:20:51
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I am sorry to say but Roy Hodson is a small team manager with small team ideas and tactics, hence our appalling away form. He goes to away matches so defensive, come on we are Liverpool and we should be dictating the play against teams like stoke and wigan.

Redbaz

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14 Nov 2010 12:20:48
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King kenny in as manager, and someone like zidane in as assistant. roy is useless and sammy lee isn't much better. we need some excitement in the club, when roy was appointed it never really excited me, i was like "meh". if kenny isn't the right man, then when need someone young who wants to prove themselves and understands the modern game

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14 Nov 2010 12:19:40
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WILL YOU EVER GET THE BLEEDIN BOAT ROY . YOU HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE . JUST FECKOFFFFFFFF UR s* tE . IF YOUR STILL IN CHARGE BY NXT YR . WE'LL MORE LIKELY BE RELEGATED . YOU AND SAMMY LEE ARE 2 PLONKERS THAT NO NOTHING BOUT FOOTBALL OR LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB . w* kerS

georgie ob

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14 Nov 2010 12:14:38
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I am not gonna come on here and question woy's 30 yrs experience! ! but even i know that you have a lot less long balls and throw ins if you don't allow a team like STOKE CITY have 64% possesion in a game. Then he blames tired players, well forgive me but i don't remember that an excuse under previous regimes. Could it be something to do with antiquated training methods oh and falling out and not using 50% of your squad. The guy seems to have no idea how to handle the media and now has had to come out on a number of occassions to apologise for his mindless outbursts. The life is being strangled out of this side, Benitez and Houlier for all there faults created a solidarity with there players and often when under pressure they came out to defend their manager but this guy has no one apart from Gerrard who unfortunately for him has to as club captain. Safe Hands for our club! ! make sure he doesn't hold the £43m pound vase.

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14 Nov 2010 12:10:52
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Why does roy not try and get some of the youngsters a chance robinson, suso, pacheo, look at villa

what you think ed
ynwa
dw {ed's note - simple, he has no interest in thinking about the long term future of the club, he is just intent on getting results now.}

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14 Nov 2010 12:04:57
For as long as hogson is in charge my season ticket is for sale im not wasting my money on that lot they aint fit to wear the famous red shirt

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14 Nov 2010 12:04:06
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This may be a bit controversial but i'll say it anyway. Ive never rated Carragher as a player he's just a work horse. The team seem to be built around Carragher and Gerrard and that's where the problem is.

Utd had the same problem in Brian Robson. Not a bad player but not the be all and end all. Utd regarded robson as a king pin both on and off the field and they were the team of 'nearly men' at that time. It was only when they got rid of Robson that they started winning things!

If there is a replacement for Hodgson on the horizon lets hope he's got the bollocks to utilise Carragher as a squad player.

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14 Nov 2010 12:00:38
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This is a message to JWH and NESV. Please I am begging you to do the right thing and sack Roy Hodgson. You have promised all LFC fans that you are winners and will do the right thing by our club. If you fail to act now it could turn out to be the worst decision that you have ever made. This I can promise you NESV if we are relegated which is hard to believe, but at present a reallity you will be hated more than H&G. You can't afford to take any risks at this point with the future of our club. If Mr Hodgson had any integrity he would hold up his hands and admit that he is out of his depth. This club and all of it's great and loyal fans who spend their hard earned cash to follow LFC have been through enough turmoil over the last few seasons to last a life time, so again please put us all out of our missery. Do the right thing.

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14 Nov 2010 11:57:50
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Crew from the Ark Royal marched at Leeds Utd yesterday in a moving farewell. Then the match was won by a hat-trick from an Argentinian sub.
thank you Mr Hobbs. SMF

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14 Nov 2010 11:56:41
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Maxi rodriguez is toooooo good 2 be true

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14 Nov 2010 11:52:43
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Roy Hodgson asked to be judged after 10 games. . he's had more than that and there is an overwhelming judgement. . "guilty", of lifeless, mediocre, uninspiring football. He has achieved nothing in his time at Anfield to be proud of. Name one game where you can look back and say, "that was an excellent performance. .just like last week!". So against his own request, Roy, you have been judged! Time to go.
He has also claimed that he "didn't hear" the chants for Dalglish at yesterday's game (although aid they are "unhelpful". Could I therefore politely ask that 45K people next week ensure that both he and the owners hear it. Even if you don't think that KK is the right choice, a message has to be delivered to the men upstairs that is impossible to ignore! From the first whistle through to the last, call his name again and again and again, the owners say they will listen. . give them the 12th man to listen to. We need Roy gone.

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14 Nov 2010 11:51:00
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Liverpool need to sack roy before the hammers game to get tihe new manager into winning ways hope the new manager is andre villas boas as he has a great record and a tactical genius hes also labelled the new special one, but probably won't be avalible till the summer so i reckon dalglish should be given care taker manager till then .

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14 Nov 2010 11:48:13
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Carra too slow, against kyrgiakos he looks like linford christie! !

Thats true. But kyrgiakos scores goals for lfc and carra. .
I'm sry but just not a big fan. Love his spirit. But I hate his game.

Hes not exactly prolific! I can't believe you putting carragher down, he organises everything when he's in the middle. It's players like kyrgiakos and skrtel who are poor and should be out the door, get some proper centre halves like Gary Cahill and Ryan Shawcross

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14 Nov 2010 11:44:10
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I'd love to see Steve Gerrard appointed as the new player/ manager. He's the figurehead the new Liverpool should be built around. I know he may not have all the badges etc but who better to back him up than Kenny while he gets the qualifications who has already experienced the role and can help him avoid the pitfalls.

Time to move on.

Huyton Henry

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14 Nov 2010 11:39:25
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Ed What do ya think if roy leaves, that Kenny should become manager and maybe Carragher as kind of his assisstant / player.Carragher knows what the players are feeling and could pass it on to kenny, he knows what kind of football the players want to play and he could suggest some players who could benefit the squad, Carragher could be the link between kenny and the players.I think this would benefit the team a lot and you would have 2 people who love the club over us.Also Ed do you think we should bring Adam Hammil back to the club? {ed's note - I have to say that, much as I love Carragher, I think him and Gerrard are part of the problem with the club. They have far too much power and Carragher would be better served starting at the bottom. I think Hammill should never have been allowed to go, I defo agree to bringing him back.}

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14 Nov 2010 11:39:05
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I've been one of those that have argued for giving Roy Hodgson some time, avoid critisising the man and allow him to get on nd manage to see what the end result will be come the end of the season.

However, yesterday's performance, strategy, formation and team selection against the clayhead oatcake munchers has left me aghast.

Is Martin Kelly injured? The lad has excelled in his previous two games, noteably against Chelsea where I thought he was man of the match and yet Hodgson replaces him with Carragher. Don't get me wrong, Jamie's been a great servant to the club and he's red through and through but in my opinion he'd have struggled to get in a Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan or Kenny Dalglish team. He gets away with some of his howlers when he plays at center half because he's got another centre half in Skirtle who manages to accomodate his shortcomings. However, at right back where specific tailored skills are required, Carragher is certainly not the man. I knew yetserday, as soon as I saw the team selection that the writing was on the wall. We saw Etherington giving Gary Neville a torid time when stoke playd Utd and although Nevilles a similar age to Jamie he's got the advantage of being an out and out right back.

Lucas back to usual antics, Torres spat dumby and looks as though he wasn't at races again and Gerrard indisciplined trying to do everything and getting caught out giving the ball away for clayheads second goal from a pass that one of the centre halfs should've been doing.

When you compare the current characters in the team with those of the great teams in yester year, its cler to see why were not picking up points on the road. We have no Souness/ Mcmahon/ Tommy Smith/ Jimmy Case/ Ronnie Whealon/ Emlyn Hughes/ Phil Thompson/ Jan Molby type charcters who have the ability not only to take control of a game through the football but also to command an aura on the pitch and do the subtle things to let the opposition know they're there and they mean business. In each area of the pitch, we are missing in action in this department. In my opinion the crowd had alot to do with getting the win against Chelsea last week but unfortunately the team play like a bunch of little boys with no heart away from home and until we bring in some players with not only technical ability but heart, we are going to languish around the mid table area.

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14 Nov 2010 11:34:22
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Diehard red since my first game in 1971/ 2. I have been fortunate to see some really great players managed by great managers and it is heartbreaking to watch the team nowadays. A good manager can get the best out of even medicre players, just look around the leagues to see for yourself. My opinion (for what it is worth) is that Roy Hodgeson may be a lovely man but he is not a good manager. His record is, nt exactly bristling with honours at the top level and i think that the Liverpool job is too big for him. Was he relying on the fact that we do have some good players to help him along? We need a good manager, he does, nt have to be a big name, just someone who knows what he is doing and is prepared for competing on all fronts. Liverpool is still a massive club and any manager will get the full support of the fans IF we can see that the manager has got something that we have, a desire to win everything and beat everyone. Roy is stuck in the past and the football that he believes in is too negative. I don, t like getting beaten but i can accept a defeat if the team are trying to win. We will not win any games if we cannot score. Under Roy Evans the team played brilliant football going forward and it was only the boards reluctance to part with money that stopped Roy Evans from getting the final peice in place i.e. Macel Desailly. We have to attack more with more flair and i, m afraid that roy does not believe in playing that way. The sooner he goes the better but i hope that the next man in is a more attack minded manager who can motivate our players. if rumours are true then it is goodbye to a man who thought that Liverpool could become another Fulham.

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