Liverpool Banter Archive November 14 2011

 

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14 Nov 2011 23:18:41
suarez says he wants to stay beyond his 5 year contract! good lad:)


Don't take much notice he was drunk when he said that

He said hes praying for the end of time cos that all that he can do, praying for the end of time so he can end his time with you


Seen it and heard it all before. I think that if we fail to make CL Suarez and Reina will no longer be Liverpool players. But hey thats only my opinion.

Steve


 

 

14 Nov 2011 22:41:40
Our best 11??

----------Reina----------
Johnson-Kelly-Agger-Enrique
-------Lucas--Adam--------
Downing--Gerrard--Bellamy
----------Suarez-----------


----------Reina----------
Johnson-skrtel-Agger-Enrique
-------Lucas--Adam--------
Downing--Gerrard--Bellamy
----------Suarez-----------


Downing?

Have you seen him play, he's all at sea mate


 

 

14 Nov 2011 22:08:26
Having had a good look at our current squad i believe we need a decent RW and clinical finisher who can poach goals. the players ideal for these positions and that are realistic, are as follows:
RW:
Albrighton
Johnson
Malouda
Siem de Jong
ST:
Podolski
luuk de jong
Roman Pavlyuchenko

and if champions league is secured i think we could bid for lopis of Lyon and maybe even (long shot) eriksen

love to hear what you think eds. great site btw.

Big Mac
{Ed001's Note - Malouda? He isn't good enough and is a left winger anyway. I would like the idea of Albrighton, but I can't see Villa selling him, if they could be persuaded to part with him I would take him. I really don't know what people see in Pav, his touch is terrible and he is far too inconsistent for me.}


I think there is a chance for albrighton, he is not starting many matches at villa and bannan and n'zogbia are preferred to him.

I would take podolski in the listed strikers or else dejong. But pav, no pls

Abhi


Not good enough? malouda is much better than downing and the other wingers we have.

Nnam


 

 

14 Nov 2011 22:26:01
ANDY CARROLL
i remember having a conversation with a fellow redman about buying players he suggested carroll, i said you would never be able to get him lad, i know he said, he is a right handfull him though isnt he, he said, i said he could be as good as anyone that lad,
about 3 months later we buy him and i was delighted so was most people i know, whats changed? well i dont know, but i do know he hasnt forgot how to play footy give the lad a chance and im sure he will come good, after all we arnt playing to his strengths at all are we? unlike when our whole team was set up to cater for torres, bob paisleys skids


Hi same thing happened with me and a mate of mine,when we heard chelsea offered 50m for torrez with both said take the money and buy carroll,agree with you with the right servive he willcome good (godin)


Yeah clearly Carroll is one of the most technically gifted strikers in the premiership. His guile and grace in the final third is reminiscent of Zidane, and he has the lethal finishing of Ronaldo, but of course on top of the he has the blistering pace of Thierry Henry! #Deluded, he is sh*t.

UNITED_LEGENDS


Time will tell amigo fingers crossed YOU will have been talking s**tE


What does everyone here see in Carroll that the rest of the league doesn't? Lets look at the attributes required of a good striker.
Speed-Carroll is slow
clinical finishing- Carroll can't seem to finish anything badly never mind clinically.
Heading- he does have fantastic heading
stamina-Im yet to see him run more than berbatov
movement-zero, Carroll does not move.
Link up play-he's not bad at this.

So in all Carroll lacks almost all the attributes a successful striker. His goal record is not great either and some of it is in championship {Ed001's Note - you are wrong, you might want to check out the OPTA stats, they show that he covers a lot of ground in a game. It has also been shown that, while he does look extremely sluggish, he is actually fairly quick.}


 

 

14 Nov 2011 22:25:30
Kelly should be ahead of Johnson, and should be in first England team.


I'm a Liverpool fan mate, but I personally think Micah Richards is better than both Johnson and Kelly!


^ ^ ^

Forgot to sign off, sorry.

Thanks, James.


Spot on mate. whenever kelly started we won everything this season.

Regarding England would phil jones and smalling get their chances if they were playing for liverpool. most probably no.

Any where i would care s**t about england. They make maradona look like robby savage.

Abhi


Phil Jones would he's an excellent player, be fair mate


 

 

14 Nov 2011 22:24:59
Suarez 4 goals for Uraguay Proves he can score a flurry fo goals. Just not geting the same quality of service in to him at Liverpool. Best of British, terrible strategy. Should be best of what's available regardless of country of origin. Should be playing on merit not nationality. Everyone wants to watch good footballers


Not getting the same sort of service? His first goal was just a run from distance and a shot, his second was a rebound and his fourth was from a fortuitous knockdown. If that's what you call quality service you're misguided


Nice post mate.


Have to agree, buying british has not paid off at all.

Steve


 

 

14 Nov 2011 21:36:57
Here just remembered WHEN WILL WE SPEND THE MASCHERANO MONEY?


We did we spent it on H&G


 

 

14 Nov 2011 21:22:13
Once again 'Disney!' I find myself questioning your judgement.

'Cleverley has made 16 appearances for the U21's, Henderson has 14 appearances. What research? And there really is no comparison, Cleverley will be world class, Henderson on the other hand.......'

'I cannot see Henderson ever becoming a regular part of the England senior squad. There are too many players in his position that are either better or potentially better candidates. Currently Barry, Lampard, Gerrard, Parker, Milner, Wilshere & Cleverley are better candidates. Rodwell, Barkley, McEachran, Morrison & AOC are potentially better candidates. I am not being bitter as I have mentioned your Gerrard, it's my serious opinion.'

2008-09
Jordan Henderson(Coventry) - Starts 12 Subs 1 - Goals 1 Assists 2 - Age 18

Tom Cleverley(Leicester) - Starts 10 Subs 5 - Goals 2 Assists 3 - Age 19

While Cleverley was playing League 1, Henderson was playing in the Championship

2009-10
Jordan Henderson(Sunderland) - Starts 28 Subs 10 Goals 2 Assists 6 - Age 19

Tom Cleverley(Watford) - Starts 35 Subs 0 Goals 11 Assists 5 - Age 20

While Cleverley was playing in the Championship side that finished 16th, Yes he got a serious injury in April which means he probably missed 4-6 games, at the same time Henderson was playing Premier League football for a team that finished 13th but with new owners had European ambitions.

2010 - 2011
Jordan Henderson(Sunderland) - Starts 38 Subs 1 Goals 3 Assists 5 - Age 20

Tom Cleverley(Wigan) - Starts 19 Subs 6 Goals
2011-2012 - Age 21

Cleverley was not first team choice, and spent most his time playing along the wings in a team that just missed relegation finishing 16th, Henderson was playing regular first team football again for a team with European ambitions finishing 10th.

2011 - 2012
Jordan Henderson(Liverpool) - Starts 10 Subs 3 Goals 1 Assists 2 - Age 21

Tom Cleverley(Man Utd) - Starts 6 Subs 1 Goals 0 Assists 3 - Age 22

This season Henderson has been played out of position constantly this season, yet you call him a flop? If you actually watch games you will be able to see what he provides the team, like you said stats are not everything for a midfielder. And he has looked nervous because of the massive transfer fee attached to him.

Your assessment of Cleverley is WHOLLY based on this season, last year 99% of your fans couldn't careless where he ended up. This season he has managed 7 games, friendly against Barcelona and 45 minutes in the community shield, and you are calling him potentially world class? laughable.

Cleverley's performance in the Barcelona friendly that you cling onto so ferociously, you seem to forget it was against a Barcelona team that was 3 weeks behind you in fitness, if you want to know what that's like try watching a team just starting pre-season against a team that's played their first game of the league. The there is the Arsenal game were you basically played their reserves, and the City game haha were he came on at 45mins against a City back three that legs were shot. Also Cleverley has basically played without pressure this season, He was a gamble by Fergie that has so far paid off, but can you tell me how he is going to react when he is expected to deliver consistently like Henderson is now? No.

Then the u21 caps, Henderson like you said is 10 months younger so come next year, if he hasn't broken into the senior England team he will have more caps than Cleverley at the same age. Even look at the u21 tournament, Cleverley was deployed as a winger, whereas Henderson was playing CM.

Cleverley better than Xavi at 22? Haha, do me a favour and go and see the players Xavi was competing against in comparison with Cleverley. Let me make one thing clear, if Fergie decided to buy Henderson this year, he would be a first team regular in that excuse you call a midfield.

Then your point regarding future England call ups, Fast foward to 2014 world cup:
Gerrard(34), Lampard(36), Barry(33), Parker(34) all of these will have probably retired or no longer considered to play for the national side. Milner(28) is predominantly a winger and rarely covers in CM.

Rodwell(23) Spent more time out injured then playing but agree great prospect, ahead of Henderson I don't think so.

Barkely(20) managed 5 games this season but already a better prospect than Henderson, yep can definitely see the logic there.

McEachran(21) great prospect, definite competition to Henderson.

Morrison(21) Love how you neglect to mention Coady everytime you mention Morrison, The same Coady that manages to be the captain of England teams Morrison is involved in. Anyway yes he is a greater prospect for England based on his 2 appearances for United in 2 years, again great logic.

AOC(21) A winger, simple.

Now if you generally look Henderson's only challenge for a world cup spot is against Wilshere, Rodwell, Cleverley and McEachran, and I rate Henderson better than both Rodwell and Cleverley currently.

Right now Technically Henderson is as good as Cleverley, Henderson's passing range is as good as Cleverley but the most important thing to consider is the 'England way' and our LOVE for physicality, which is a no contest between Henderson and Cleverley.

Cleverley is a very good player and prospect but not as good as Henderson, simple.

Jatt YNWA


Would love to see Wilshere and Cleverley in midfield together.


Someone has too much time on their hands!..lol
ItsNotRocketScience


Henderson never made us proud tonight, cost England the game against Belgium.


Completely agree with you Jatt, great post. I have huge faith in Jordan and think he will be able to make it and he has shown glimpses of his talent this season and is being played out of position. He is far better than most of the players on that list and has the potential to become great.

maka
YNWA JFT96


Are you seriously kidding? If the Stats were in favour of Henderson you wouldn't be such a sourpuss. Henderson has nothing on Cleverley. Literally. Cleverley has developed his game, Henderson is still working at it. No doubt he could be good. but Cleverley is good now.

RedDevil92


Sign of the times. before man u just bought the best players on the market, the rest hoped for good young players to come through ranks. now look at what is going on, man u flat broke, 500 million in debt plus the 250 million (pik) money they have hidden in accounts in delaware usa. not gloating as i'm not convinced by our owners as of yet but at least there're not like the glazers.


This reminds me off the last united kid that was going to be world-class (macheda)
What happened to him?

LAVERS


Wow.... You have far to much time on your hands fella, anyway I got bored after reading 'Once again 'Disney!'....
HERBIE


Last I heard, Macheda was waitering in Papa's Pizzeria in Salford. Don't try the tuna and anchovies!

Cuchulainn's Hounds


Wasn't whiskey nose sniffing around Henderson last year?

wish some posters would stop being immature and judge players on ability, NOT the team they play for...

red snake


 

 

14 Nov 2011 20:44:08
Martin Kellyy is on Fireeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
jayblair89


Well wrap him in a protective blanket and roll him around the ground mate. He'll be fit and ready for the next game if you get to him quick enough.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


 

 

14 Nov 2011 20:30:41
Good to be back the Real KB,no conspricy ha ha.i Ye phone troubles was the reason i've been on the missing list for a short while. Back on it now though.Just seen Kelly búry a nice header from a quality ball from Henderson in U/21 game. Jonson


Good to have ya back Jonson.

maka
YNWA JFT96


Very kind of you to say mate. Jonson


 

 

14 Nov 2011 20:22:57
I believe that in whatever position we're occupying come january, the owners will spend money. All the teams competing against us will strengthen, so its pretty much obligotory that the owners make a statement as well. FSG are certainly no sheikh's but nor are they frugal and poor. They are all about SUCCESS! It is also abundantly clear that kenny is on the lookout for a top striker and willing to spend top dollar on acquiring one. The villa rumours are a bit sketchy but i do think there is a chance of this happening. I think a midfielder will also be brought in almost certainly. Perhaps moura, sissoko or coutinho. So, in all i do think there will be 2 or 3 quality acquisitions in january, which would hold us in good stead pushing for a top 3 place(chelsea by no means guaranteed top 3).


 

 

14 Nov 2011 18:15:26
Hey Eds, i see alot of talk about villa, and others a possible target for jan transfers, on a personal note from what you've herd, who do you see joining in jan ? many ande AndeLFC YNWA {Ed002's Note - Please read the posts.}


 

 

14 Nov 2011 17:40:36
ed what areas need strengthning and what players could come into these positions {Ed002's Note - Why do you ask the same question every day? Read the posts.}


 

 

14 Nov 2011 17:17:15
Ed, please could you list some players that we are looking at in January, just so I know what type of player we want at LFC.

LuisG. {Ed002's Note - Luuk De Jong.}


 

 

14 Nov 2011 17:35:54
between Ryan Boudebouz, Ganston Ramirez and Marko Marin ED Who would you prefer us to buy?I prefer Boudebouz {Ed001's Note - probably Boudebouz, he is the one I have seen the most of and what I have seen has been impressive.}


 

 

14 Nov 2011 19:53:19
David Villa rumours false more chance of buying Aston Villa never seen de Jong play so you can be the judge on that

BRING HESKEY BACK


Periods are helpful things.


 

 

14 Nov 2011 18:39:30
Hi Ed i have noticed that a couple of my last posts have not been put up am i banned from the banter page or are you guys just over run

MJ {Ed007's Note - I am covering just now and only helping the pages roll along, all questions to Eds I just leave for a LFC Ed to deal with, I wouldn't want to upset any one :-)


 

 

14 Nov 2011 17:48:18
Mmm, seems to be quite a few Man Utd lurkers on the site. What's up, your site and team that boring!.
Or is it a case that you need to spend time here to fill your meaningless days!.
Q: How much debt do Man Utd have?.
A: Who knows its all "Glazed over".


United are £458m (gross) in debt. Did you know that Liverpool are nearly £200m in gross debt? Ayre kept that quiet didn't he.


Wow.. The mancs debt has come down a bit, was up to £650,000,000 last time I gave a damn. Must be all that dodgy Arab dealings bringing the total down.

Myk


The new owners paid off our debt u silly fool


No, other clubs supporters come on here for a good laugh...Ed, what player do you think in January? Ed this, Ed that. Priceless entertainment....unlike your team.


Henry did not pay off all the debt - you are so easily fooled, why?


 

 

14 Nov 2011 17:03:32
Im no saying that we will sign either but if you had to choose, would it be a.johnson or g.ramirez ? Thanks and keep up the great work :) {Ed001's Note - Ramirez.}


I thought you hadn't seen much of ramirez ed?

Danny {Ed001's Note - I haven't but I have heard a lot about why Johnson is having problems.}


{Ed001's Note - I haven't but I have heard a lot about why Johnson is having problems.}
==============================
Johnson is city equivalent of how our Ryan Babel used to be, awesome for 5 to 10 minutes then disappears for the rest of the game.
I must admit Johnson was good for england over the weekend, but if you watch him playing for city, he is good going forward, but will not be bothered to track back, and if the ball he gets not to his feet , he wont pace up to get it.
Roy


And why is Johnson having problems Ed? Out of curiosity obviously.

Alex {Ed001's Note - off field, he is not professional enough for Mancini's liking.}


 

 

14 Nov 2011 16:53:52
I'm sure everyone wishes all the best to Ray Clemence, who was admitted to hospital recently.
Liverpool's best ever keeper for me.
The Real KB


I agree! I find it weird when people put Grobelaer or Pepe as the best keeper we've ever had. Not even close to Clemence in my opinion.

The Irish Rover


Ye i second that mate. Jonson


Jonson !
Without the 6 but with a new phone I presume.
Welcome home. There was even a piece on you on the Conspiracy Page as to why you had disappeared. Lol.
The Real KB


YNWA Clemence, get well soon

Cuchulainn's Hounds


Your have to admit though. Pepe has been a fantastic servant for us over the years.One of the better pieces of business rafa done.

Danny


Ray clemence is the best keeper liverpool fc have ever had . Get well soon ray from all the older reds {Ed007's Note - My best wishes and prayers are with him and his family.}


Clemence over Shilton anyday!

dd


Clemence was excellent and the best of our keepers for me but remember he had some ehlp from the four guys in front of him who were also awsome! Best for entertainment value though has to be Tommy Lawrence ...how the earth shook when he dived!
Iggypop


 

 

14 Nov 2011 16:00:11
Hail Luis Suarez! !What a committed player giving priority to club over country. I wish summer signings could do that esp Downing. We will beat Chelsea


 

 

14 Nov 2011 15:08:13
United-Legends

Obviously England is very close to you. But we all agree Liverpool are bigger than England.

Mighty reds


 

 

14 Nov 2011 15:06:40
not a rumour but an observation, we are in the look out for a new striker and in the reserves is an ideal striker in Adam Morgan could he make the grade . I know he is young but if used sensibly he would be a great addition to the squad. this would also send a powerful message to kids looking at Liverpool as an ideal place to ply their trade. We need to see the kids progressing through the ranks.


I agree 10-15 mins once in a while cant harm and it will encourge youngsters

The Dark Knight


 

 

14 Nov 2011 13:24:28
Ive worked out that we swap
dirk kuyt for coutinho of inter milan
buy leandro damiao - 15 to 20 million
buy lucas moura - 15 to 20 million
Players leaving: aquilani and maxi and j.cole
Players that should be loaned: Spearing and Hendo

Reina
Kelly Coates Agger Jose
Gerrard Lucas/Adam
Coutinho L.Moura
Suarez
L.damiao

and see if your telling me this team cannot push for top 4


12 in your team, no wonder they would be pusing for the title!


And if you are so stupid to think not only that we can get both Lucas Moura and Leandro Damiao both for £30 to £40 million then you are crazy


Can neither of you count?

Ash


Also if damiao comes to england, its going to be spurs!


@unknown poster

I think you'll find that's 11 players..

maka
YNWA JFT96


..............Reina
Kelly Coates Agger Jose
.....Gerrard/hendo...Lucas/Adam
L.Moura............ Coutinho
..................Suarez
........L.damiao

L.Moura plays on the right and Coutinho plays on the left.

but i see how you think go brazil or go home


 

 

14 Nov 2011 13:38:22
How has Llambias done Liverpool a favour?
Everyone knows Newcastle couldn't believe their luck that Liverpool stupidly parted with 35m for Carroll.
The fact that this opinion has been apparently shared by a Newcastle representative is irrelevant.
Reading confirmation from a Newcastle representative, which everyone knows to be true, in that Liverpool bought a donkey for 35m will not make that donkey a better donkey!
Clutching at straws me thinks!
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The guy is an absolute arse, but he is right about one thing. They knew we had £50 mil from the Torres deal so they pulled our pants down over the Andy Carroll deal. Well and truly. I'm not AC's biggest fan, but I so hope he bangs in a hat-trick at St Jam.....The Sports Direct Arena when we go there.
----------------------
What about our former number 9 only informing Liverpool he wanted to leave in the final week of the January window? This is why we were held to ransom by Newcastle.


He too is an arse. However we should have waited til the summer to spend the money. Carroll was injured anyway.

Ash


Ash, you have to try and understand mate. Imagine what a PR disaster it would have been if the Owners if they did not go out and spend the money. Take your mind back to January mate, we were probably in our worst state for decades.

Everyone knew we were going to sign Suarez well before Torres decided he wanted to leave. Think about it mate, if we brought in a player we knew was going to sign, and then we lose one of our talisman, a guy the fans worshipped for £50mil and then decided not to buy anyone to replace him.

The fans would have been livid! 99% of the fans would have been jumping on the owners back (much like Newcastle), saying they didn't have the any interest in the club, and just wanted the money. Just imagine mate! when I knew Carroll was coming I myself I was ecstatic, did I care he cost £35mil? No, I was just glad to see the owners really spend.

Just remember the summer transfer window, We spent 50mil+ and when we let N'gog go and brought Bellamy everyone was raving in excitement, then last minute Meireles decided to leave, the fans went flat and shocked that we didn't replace him! This is despite him not being a massive loss and forgetting we just spent £50+ mil. And don't forget our next two games, 1-0 loss to Stoke, and 4-0 loss to Spuds.

Did we overspend on Carroll? Yes, But remember we also tried to sign Mario Gomez(IF ONLY!) and Llorente but both bids were rejected I am pretty sure(Ed's would confirm), Carroll was our last option, and in my opinion at the time it was better to get Carroll for £35mil at the time then no one at all.

Jatt YNWA


Ignoring how the money was spent on each individual transfer, last January we basically swapped Torres and Babel for Carroll and Suarez. Based on the respective form of Torres and Suarez, and Carroll beginning to show signs of coming into some form, that has to be seen as excellent business.

JRG


You have to remember too that big Andy bagged ten PL goals in that season before his injury, so he looked less of a gamble.
Also remember all the media hype about him at the time- he's a cracking player, but people always get carried away with the 'latest thing' in footy.

People were seriously talking about Gareth bale being worth 40 million after he had a few great performances- another cracking player, but a victim of over-hype.

We simply had no options- its a sign of how little faith KK had in Ngog that despite already having Suarez, he pressed on with the heavily-overpriced AC deal.
We ran out of time and out of options.

It won't do AC's confidence any good to know he was fourth choice or whatever it was, but the lad has talent and he will come good.
I just hope to God the poor guy doesnt read the fan forums where he seems to get such a slagging off.


Could have signed llorente for 35m at most but we didn't follow up our interest. Whats done is done give him time to prove everyone wrong. I would buy young competition for him it might bring the best out of him and give us more options.jk


Jatt, as it turns out it would have been better to get no one than buy the donkey. Carroll IMO is a championship standard striker who had a lucky start at newcastle with a few goals. Buying and injured CDarroll was just the Aquilani situation all over again. Simply isnt good enough for a club such as Liverpool.

Steve


 

 

14 Nov 2011 12:09:48
I'm curious about what kind of a player Luuk De Jong is, since he seems to be our main potential target in January.

I remember someone saying here they'd watched five full games and they weren't very impressed.

KK and DC must know their business, so he must have a role- maybe as a young back-up like David Ngog- but what are people's thoughts about him, and has anyone watched him?


My view on him is he simply isn't good enough. Mid table premier league player at best, over priced and also quite clumsy. But hes young, so none of the previous matter...

Adzii


He is a good player, n most importantly a good finisher. Wud be a gr8 strike partner for suarez. The person sayin he wasnt impressed with de jong must be comparing him to higuain or villa. For 12 million or so, de jong wud be a steal.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

14 Nov 2011 11:53:05
Why aren't Jordan Henderson or Andy Carroll in the England squad!?!? :S You would think we could find a place for £55 million worth of players somewhere?!?!? The mind boggles :-S!

UNITED_LEGENDS


Hendo is still in the under 21's and captain,
and i think Andy is playing golf with Carrick. All the best

KNEE JERK


Not to disappointed, wouldn't want them getting accustomed to negative play. We like playing football at Anfield, the United lads wouldn't have felt to out of place in the tactic on Saturday, much like the 4-6-0 Fergie played at Anfield lol.

Jatt YNWA


Come on lads don't be too harsh on him - if you read the United page over the weekend you would realise that Phil Jones won the game against Spain on his own apparently.

JRG


Why is our 19 year old center back taking your 19 year old midfielders spot in CM for England? :O

Maybe its because, despite you paying more money for Henderson, Jones is a better player?!?! :O :O :O

u mad?

UNITED_LEGENDS


I think we should clear-up your rubbish regarding the fees - Henderson cost us £16m which is the same as you paid for Jones.

Henderson has been playing RM this season, not DM as Jones has done - for example when you 'played' at Anfield and parked the bus.

If we are using your system for judging players then does that mean Glen Johnson is a better player than Smalling? Jagielka better than Ferdinand? Or is Henderson better than Cleverly as he has more caps for the under 21's and the senior team?

JRG


Or perhaps it's because Capello realised the only way to get anything out of the match was to play as many defenders as possible, regardless of where they started the match. Don't really know what England got out of that game, they could play it 100 more times and be lucky to scrape 5 draws.

Rugby Parker.


I'd rather a the real the Manchester United football team came to Anfield & played us so that they could confirm their superority, rather than read their fan's poo on this site. Hang on! They did come recently didn't they... & failed I believe!?

dd


It's funny how much you lot clutch at straws to be honest. I like how you think drawing with us on your home soil is a victory.... I guess we are the champions thought right? 19 Times isn't it? :D

UNITED_LEGENDS


What are you talking about JRG?! Did you not see Jones defence splitting passes to Hart?! And it wasn't just on the odd occasion!

Jatt YNWA


Smalling is currently injured. Henderson doesn't have more caps than Cleverley at U21 level. Although he will have, Cleverley will be playing for the senior side, whilst Henderson will be playing with the U21's til he's 23, then when too old he will not play for either. Oh and Jones did play RM for England against Spain.

Sydney!


'UNITED_LEGENDS', do everyone a favour and go to the United Rumours page and check the archives for 15th October 2011, and see the ecstasy of your fans on getting a draw.

19? Liverpool vs United game and watch Stevie's celebration and count ;)

Jatt YNWA


Get one thing straight. SAF picks the England team. If Jones was still at Bburn he would still be with the U21's. SAF buys him he plays 2 games and he is the future of England. He plays RB for MUFC and so Capello plays him there; he plays DM for MUFC so Capello plays him there too. Capello knows if he copies SAF no one will dare criticise him as everyone loves SAF.


Please 'Sydney!' don't make me laugh with your comparison between Cleverley and Henderson. Go do some research before bleating your rubbish.

Jatt YNWA


'Sydney!' Cleverly has 16-caps for the U21 and no goals while Henderson has 14-caps and four goals so you're right about the caps - however if we use your statistics to judge players then surely this makes Henderson the better player? or are we still not allowed to judge mid-fielders with statistics I can never remember your rules as they are forever changing.

I'm glad your crystal ball has shown you that Cleverly will be playing for the senior side - I would expect nothing else considering you think he is better than Xavi.

JRG


Cleverley has made 16 appearances for the U21's, Henderson has 14 appearances. What research? And there really is no comparison, Cleverley will be world class, Henderson on the other hand.......

Sydney!


Come on Cleverley is a Carrick in the making
king henry


So that's Cleverly, Jones, Smalling, Pogba, Morrison all gonna be world class? Messi & co must be shaking in their boots. Four of them typically over hyped English footballers.

The Irish Rover


Cleverley world class. That made me laugh.

Danny


They are both good players that could become great, Henderson more likely lol. but does this make you feel good knowing that England midfield will have Henderson, Wilshire and occassionly Cleverly. things will be good.


'JRG'

Exactly, how can you use only goal stats to judge midfielders, they have more jobs to fulfill than just scoring goals, but strikers can be judged on scoring stats as they are there to score goals. Not rocket science is it? It's the same reason you cannot judge a defender on goals scored stats either. Would you get rid of a defender if he scored just five goals a season? What about if a midfielder scores just five goals? But if your striker only scores five goals a season he would have to be sold, agreed? So you can judge a striker predominantly by how many goals he scores, but not midfielders.

I never said Cleverley was better than Xavi, I said Xavi at 22 was no world class player and it wasn't til 25/26 that he started showing his real class. I said Xavi at 22 was not much better than Cleverley is now. That is all I said, but that doesn't mean Cleverley will ever reach the heights of Xavi, all I am saying is there wasn't much to choose between the 22 year old Xavi and the 22 year old Cleverley. Obviously Cleverley will need to be judged over the length of the season, but if Cleverley can remain this good consistently over the season, then United have some player at their disposal and he never cost us £16m.

Sydney!


I cannot see Henderson ever becoming a regular part of the England senior squad. There are too many players in his position that are either better or potentially better candidates. Currently Barry, Lampard, Gerrard, Parker, Milner, Wilshere & Cleverley are better candidates. Rodwell, Barkley, McEachran, Morrison & AOC are potentially better candidates. I am not being bitter as I have mentioned your Gerrard, it's my serious opinion.

Sydney!


And ferguson picks the england team? Made me look at the england lineup for Saturday's match there and noticed jones was the only utd player playing for england on Saturday. Yep, good to see that poster was gifted with the supreme logic and common sense which is prevalent in a lot of utd fans these days.

Cuchulainn's Hounds


You had to mention gerrard seen as he is england's best midfielder.Ok he has had a lot of injury problems lately but he is by far the best out of all of them.

Danny


'Sydney' - to be fair I have never said Henderson will be a regular for the England team and it really wouldn't bother me if he never plays for England again, along with every other Liverpool player. I stopped watching and enjoying England games a long time ago - it's the same story every time - promise everything and deliver nothing.

On Henderson you have to remember he is still very young, 21 I think, do he is still a year behind Cleverly. I personally think he can make a very good career as an old fashioned box to box centre midfielder. He has plenty of potential and a really good engine.

JRG


'JRG'

There is less than ten months between them and Cleverley did suffer a bad injury whilst at Watford that kept him out for that long. Cleverley has played seven games for United this season and we won all seven of them. He is a good little player and to be fair I thought Henderson had potential this time last year between September and January, but if I am honest he hasn't been consistently good for more than a few months. He has certainly been a flop so far at Liverpool. People say he is only 21 and he has potential, but Kenny didn't buy him for the future, he bought players to come straight in and do a job. 4th place is imperative this season mate, that is the truth.

Sydney!


Lol Reeling them in! It's so easy to troll you Scousers :D.

UNITED_LEGENDS


The thing with Cleverly is that he plays "in the hole," a position England have been crying out for for years and they are so rare. For that reason, I suspect he will play more than Henderson for England in the future, injuries permitting. He is a good player, and you only have to look at how much Utd missed him when he was out earlier this season. Also, Cleverly always plays in his position for Utd and Henderson doesn't for us, which is why it is difficult to compare the two.

Ash

Ash


 

 

14 Nov 2011 11:39:29
Hi all

does anyone think johnson from mcfc would be a geat addition??

myself i think he would be the best to replace kuyt now he is getting older with downing on the other size it could bring carroll into play more?


would love to hear your thoughts guys and eds


He would be a great additton for you. But city dont want to sell him hes one for the future.
BLUE MOON.


 

 

14 Nov 2011 11:03:53
Hi eds on the rumour page somebody as put that a statement is goin to made this afternoon about anfield being redeveloped but not signed the post. Is this a prank or can anyone shed some light on this? Do any of the eds no anything?

Mighty reds {Ed001's Note - unfortunately I don't know anything regarding it, though it is perfectly possible it is true as the Stanley Park project time limit was only extended to this month. So it is likely something will be decided and announced this month.}


 

 

14 Nov 2011 10:27:18
Hi Ed, I think that Suarez needs a fast and clinical striker alongside him( perhaps Cavani or Welliton). We should also sign Adam Johnson, Marko Marin, Mats Hummels or Jan Vertognen. What do You think. {Ed001's Note - great in theory, but you have to get these players! I doubt Hummels will want to leave Germany right now, though I would think this is the time to try and get him. I am not sure why we would need Vertonghen as well, seems a bit of an overkill to me, either or maybe, in which case Hummels looks a far better player in my opinion. Also not sure we need Marin and Johnson, right now I wouldn't take Johnson, I know him and Mancini are working out their differences, and he has signed a new contract. I would only want him if he bucked up his ideas and if he bucks up his ideas City are not going to sell him!}


 

 

14 Nov 2011 08:50:06
Hey Ed's i just saw on that the media in south america are starting to compare suarez to messi though i think messi is slightly better suarez is more than capable of being a threat to messi for his balon dor and world player of the year awards in the years to come , so the reason im posting is that we MUST spend truck loads of cash including paying astronomical wages to buy players of suarez quality to obviously supply him and keep him happy , we must start doing that and win titles , it would make us fans happy as well as make luis suarez the best player in the world besides top players would love to be playing alongside suarez and an in form gerrard !! {Ed001's Note - you could spend truckloads and end up with a team of Verons etc. Spending lots does not guarantee success.}


I think there is a valid point here, in that you can see Suarez usually thinks and moves faster than most of our players, and I think it would great to have one or two more more around him with similar levels of speed and skill.
Plus, if he gets injured, where is the guile and creativity to open teams up?
{Ed001's Note - very true, we do need to improve the team, but I am not sure that big money buys are the best way to do that. I want a team to support for life, not just for five years then they are liquidated!}


A squad with a mixture of home grown, British and a few top quality International buys would be ideal for me... I don't think we're far off creating that balance.

Richards


If only we had him at age 15 and let him build a understanding with our outstanding crop of youngsters now!

Jatt YNWA


 

 

14 Nov 2011 07:37:38
Eds, firstly thanks for your great work on the site. can Lucas Moura play RW? i've seen him play what appears to be a wide right role on a couple of occasions cause if he could he would be an amazing buy for january or summer
REDS4LIFE {Ed001's Note - I haven't seen him play there myself, but he does look like he could from what I have seen.}


 

 

14 Nov 2011 08:08:01
Is gaston Ramirez good enough? I have only seen bits in YouTube, which we all no is no way to judge a player.

Square tomato


Every time I see his name, I think of of a dodgy waiter talking with a fake Spanish accent like Sean Connery's in "Highlander".


Gaston Rameriz would be a fantastic signing. The type of player we should have bought instead of the donkey Carroll.

Steve


 

 

14 Nov 2011 07:55:47
The Real KB.

Sorry mate I'm doin this on my phone mate and I can't post replies. Not tryin to blank you mate sorry if you thought I was.

Spriggo


No probs mate
The Real KB


 

 

14 Nov 2011 02:25:29
Hi guys/gals eds,we seem to be split in regards to our signings this summer,like most I believe enrique was a great addition also coates and surprise surprise carroll the others( no comment)what is missing of course is the steven gerrard of old or someone the likes of alonso/sneijder to help make the forwards tick also a creative player who can help cause havoc up front, simple really just need to spend a little more which would be repaid with a top 4 finish which translates into cash.(godin)


 

 

 
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