Liverpool Banter Archive October 14 2013

 

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14 Oct 2013 23:09:23
Coloccini out of Liverpool game. Big plus for us seen as there defence is weak even with him init, Suarez hatrick sturridge 1 in a 4-1 win

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Dream on! We'll to win that game, and it won't be more than a goal apart. I'd say 1-2.

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I can see it being a lot closer than that lfc4life.I hope your right but after last seasons demolition I think they will be after blood, pluss we have to take the international break into consideration.I'll be going for a 0-1.maybe a red card in there to? Crnt wait, sick of all this Suarez leaving an English banter. borr offff

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No chance . they got cabaye back from injury and playing gr8( he would be gr8 at lfc by the way) ben arfa and remy playing gr8 aswell, to be fair i'd take a win in anyway it comes, but I reckon it will be such a tough game, they will cause us problems

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Tough game, don't see us winning 4-1. Suspect, as both teams attack is fairly potent, that it will comedown to who defends better - I think that is a battle we may just win. Same as Sunderland game I think, 3-1 with the 3rd coming within the last 5 minutes.

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I was at the Cardiff v Newcastle game and tbh cabaye looks special, and Newcastle were good in the first half, but Cardiff were very poor. Second half Cardiff bossed their midfield so they can definitely be got at. Could be a big day for hendo especially.

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15 Oct 2013 15:10:36
Start him with Luca in the middle and Relsease Gerrard further forward, Better than Moses as an ACM

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I think Gerrard will be knackered after that shift last night- how about starting with Lucas and Henderson and then putting Gerrard on with half an hour to go

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14 Oct 2013 20:05:47
After reading blog by Adam, I got the feeling Coutinho, Alberto and Suso might be our interchangble 3 in 4-2-3-1 formation in future

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I'd drink to that.

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Suso, Coutinho and Alberto sat behind Sturridge and in front of Henderson and Allen. the future's bright. the future's red

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15 Oct 2013 07:58:44
Suso, Coutinho and Alberto sat behind Sturridge and in front of Henderson and Allen. the future's bright. the future's red

I would take suso and countinho in my team.
Sturridge as the lone striker, and Henderson comepting in the midfield.
Rest would either warm my bench or move out.
I know allen had a good season with swansea, But common dear, what makes you to think he would be a future in current Liverpool side?
I don't know Why people are so much to Allen?, Is that because he is a wilshere, whose still quality regardless of Injuries, or is it a sympaty, that he can't get a game due to injury or Out of form.

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15 Oct 2013 09:53:18
Maybe it's because 2 years ago he beat the likes of Ramsey, Bale, Bellamy, Williams and Giggs to Welsh player of the year? Or maybe it's because Yaya Toure said Allen was the hardest opponent he's played against in England? It could even be because he was on such great form in pre-season? Personally I think it's because now he's missing and we are getting dominated every single second half we play in, people are finally starting to appreciate what Allen does; keeps possession and recycles loose balls allowing us to stage an attack (as well as making more interceptions than anybody else in the squad). Allen is a superb player Harry and when he finds form and gets an injury free run in the team, I hope all his critics atlre man enough to apologise.

YNWAdam

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Maybe its because he a Liverpool player harry.

you just ca't help yourself with the allen bashing, can you harry.

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Yes Adam, Agreed. All Allen needs to do is find the form he produced when he first joined and before these niggling injuries kicked in.

He will be fine i'm sure.

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15 Oct 2013 11:05:39
YNWA.

Now that's what you call a proper proffessional reply.
I honeslty doenst have any grudge with any player, let it be allen or Borini.

Now Analyisng your reply about allen, let me share my views.

2 years ago he had an awesome one season. Like Michu is having at swansea. If you get the list of top 5 strikers in EPL last season. It ll include Michu and benteke, over giroud, defoe, herandez, podolski and many more.

I honelsty don't know what Yaya toure said about him couple of season back, But I have seen him play for Liverpool fc for more than 30 odd games, and he looked average at its very best.

Lets not talk about pre-season.
Friendly to increase match fitness and sharpness, and played against, Indonesia, and Valegerana?

Now the most Importnat point, You are the best person for detail analyis, stats and facts,
We have mone more points and games in his absence.

Yours is a pretty nice wishlist, But if you ask any pundits, or even the Eds, or even the backroom Liverpool staff, He owuld be right up there in the summer shopping list to raise some serious money,

We are already looking at another CM, where does that fit Allen?.

But I can assuare you, If we recieve any serious offer in the range above 10 mill, He would be moving out.

Unlike borini and aspas, he was played most in his position and has played well over 30 games.

Dont get offended and nothing personal.

Thanks for the Reply. {Ed001's Note - we also won more points and scored more goals without Suarez, but you aren't suggesting he should be got rid of are you? You are a boo boy of the worst kind. You have no justification for your petty little whines, just a need to whine about something.}

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Personally I must be one of the few people that is looking forward to a fit Allen coming back into the first team. He has such quick feet, can shield the ball and play it safely while taking the tackler out of the game as well as usually one more player. He frees up space for other players which is just what we need. Sometimes it feels a bit risky the way he keeps the ball at his feet when someone is rushing in at him, but he retains possession time after time. He is still only young, and even though he will get better with more playing time, he is already a fine player. As I say, I am looking forward to his return.

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I when he first came to us he was playing like a man possessed until he got a injury.
And the pundits your talking about had nothing but praise for Allen.
But I guess he will never be the player you want harry

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15 Oct 2013 12:24:35
ED01,
No DeaR, I am 110% sure Suarez is going to go next summer, He isn't in my future plans, So I don't have any expectations.
I am not sure, how many goals we scored in his absence, But after 10 match ban, he comes straight and did the business. and he will continue untill and unless his legs gives up, I can guarantee you that.
Ed, like me or like him, If you simply wanna defend someone, you can probaly get, or create 1001 reasons. that's Being Normal Being.
Without getting offended, Nor against Allen, All I cluld see is him getting sold next summer.
Am I happy?.I am not sure. But that's the way it should be.
Aqualini was sold, torres was sold, owen was sold, suarez would be sold, So as Joe Allen.
Allen and Borini both joined together, and both were hit by Injuries, Yet Borini is Loaned and Allen still in the bench or injured.
If you would ask yoursef, You would trade him with any quality CM player currently.
Can he replace Lucas -NO (He ain't a DM)
Can he replace Gerrard - No, (Hendo pretty close)
Is he an ACM - No (Countinho and ALberto)
Does he plays on the flanks - NO
we can only have 2 players in the Middle (Excluding ACM)

Is he a squad player?. Yes he can be a good one. But 18 mill is an awful lot of money to be a Squad player.

Thanks Eds and others {Ed001's Note - you know nothing about who is going or not, so don't waste my time with your nonsense trying to justify being such a whiner.}

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15 Oct 2013 12:34:58
Red Branch,

No mate, I don't bash any player. But If they don't perform, Then I do.
what you think Rodgers would be doing, If players aren't performing?

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15 Oct 2013 12:41:41
Nick

I would be the only one looking to see Aspas getting some game time. Probably as a striker, atleast in games wwhich we are winning.
I am not sure, How bad a player feels when he is left out, But If he is a striker, He must be played there, Its a trust you have on your manager, when you decide to join a club.
Borini would be kicking himslef now. I like Aspas, But if he continues to remain in the Bench, Then its another Missery.

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15 Oct 2013 12:48:07
After Liverpools 2-2 draw with Manchester City at the very start of last season, Yaya Toure was quoted as saying it was the hardest midfield battle he'd been in since he'd came to England.

Your suggestion that Allen has been played in position is miles out. He is a deep lying plamyaker, or better still a box to box player. However, he was shackled as a defensive midfielder for the majority of his appearances.

You are correct, we averaged more points without Allen in the team. However that's a very narrow minded way to look at it. When Allen was playing we had an out of form Gerrard, Enrique, Downing, Skrtel and Reina in the team, 3 teenagers in Wisdom, Sterling and Suso in the team as well as an Injured Lucas, Kelly and Johnson. When Allen got injured, Skrtel was dropped for the better performing Carragher, Gerrard, Downing, Enrique and Reina hit form in the second half of the season, Lucas and Johnson came back into the team, We signed Coutinho and Sturridge etc. Allen leaving the side just happened to coincide with some major bonuses to the starting XI. It is naive to over look all these contributing factors and simply say "Allen made us weaker because we won less points with him". You are right, I am a strong backer of statistics and think they tell you a lot. However, when looknig at statistics, you must be realistic and look at factors that contributed towards those statistics. For Example, your hero Suarez looked exceptional if you look at his 30 goals in 44 games statistic. Delve deeper though, and you can see that everything was going through him and he had 187 shots for his 23 league goals. that's a goal every 8/9 shots. That suggests that although he had a good goals to game ratio, it was largely down to the supply he was receiving and not due to his quality in front of goal. Suarez has started this season looking much less wasteful in front of goal, but time will tell if he has truly improved and cut his greedy streak from his game.

At the end of the Day Allen is what, 22/23 years old? He is a new father of two children, has had injuries to deal with and has just moved to a different country, city and football club. Give the lad a chance. I seem to remember him getting about 5 man of the match awards at the start of last season. It was only when the press and the Match of the Day presenters (who know nothing about football) started slating him for always passing sideways or backwards that his confidence fell away, then injuries came and he faded into the background. Hansen, Lawrenson and Shearer are sat on the Match of the day sofa because they are not good enough for management. Same goes for Roy Keane on ITV. They are all bloody clueless but for some reason, just because they were good players, their opinions are well respected. You want to watch a show with people who know what they are talking about? Go and watch Carragher and Neville. The first guys to go on TV and actually talk an ounce of sense.

Sorry to rant Eds. Just get frustrated when players are criticised with no decent reasoning or logical explanation. The only thing you could possibly complain about regarding Allen is his £15m price tag. Was that his fault Harry, or was it the inflated transfer markets fault?

YNWAdam

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Harry.

Yes you do.
every time you post on this site sooner or later you have to have your dig at Allen or borini depending on how you feel.
how did you cope this ten years with all the squad players we had I just don't know.

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15 Oct 2013 12:58:57
Harry! You just said that Allen has played his preferred position, then in your very next comment say that he is not a Defensive midfielder?

And what?! You think everytime someone has a bad game Rodgers tells them they are not good enough for LFC and they will sold in the summer? that's not a coaches job? The key is in the job title; 'Manager - one who manages an organistation to ensure it performs at it's optimum level' OR 'Coach - one who coaches a person to become better in their sport/trade'. Obviously those are not exact definitions (I can't be bothered to go and get a dictionary). Rodgers seeks to improve his players, not demolish them publically and privately when they play badly. That is how Di Canio manages (proof it doesn't work).

I really hope none of you Eds have heart conditions/pacemakers!

YNWAdam

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Mr.harry

joe allen is a ball winner . and that is exactly what we don't have. once we loose the ball. it takes us ages to get it back.
our story this season has been two halves one brilliant second awfull.
the second is awful becuase we cannot keep the ball. and that is what allen does he keeps the ball and intercepts and wins back possession when we don't have it. just becuase he doesn't dribblepast five players andplays that awesome through ball doesn't mean he cannot do anything.

yes he is very wilshere like. a player every top team has yaya toure ramires carrick wilshere paulinho.
allen is in the same mould. you cannot really count out allen. he keeps the ball and with our current strikers the more ball we have the more we are going to score.

if u see our matches (which I doubt) u can see in 2nd half gerrard and lucas are ineffective in winning the ball and if the defense wins it both have been unable to play it out, resulting immediate loss pf possesion. hendo also has the same problem he isn't able to bring it out. they all pass to strikers and it gets intercepted.
that is what allen brings to lfc midfield someonewho works his way out of our half so the team can move forward and keep the ball.
and the more we keep the ball the more we are going to score if we play suarez and sturridge upfront.

i would love to see this team
simon
skrtel kolo sakho

johnson allen hendo moses

coutinho suarez
sturridge

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15 Oct 2013 13:38:35
Red Branch, YNWA Adam and Akrubbish.
I shall with all the excitment, eagerly waiting for his return. and I sincerly wish he performs very well on the pitch. We paid a lot of money on him.
ED01, I am sure I knwo very little about who comes in and who goes out. But I am confident Suarez would go next summer.

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15 Oct 2013 13:41:47
YNWA Adam
187 shots for his 23 league goals. that's a poor stats for any striker.
But you would get atleast 50 mill come summer.
Do us all a favour mate. Get us the best possible replacement or striker or any player, who would better what he did with us.
We have spend tonz of money till now, get us CL, check your stats and let's know based on this, are we going to get this summer?

I don't care the name on the back of the shirt, Unless its gerrard or an execption, All I care is the badge on the front of the shirt. "

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15 Oct 2013 13:46:06
YNWA ADAM.

I don't think Players would be sold after one Poor performance, But I am sure BR would have the players who performed poor and would have a word with them personally,
Being a good manager, you are suppsoed to get the best out from your fellow peoplw, And if it requires, Bashing then sure,
And BTW, any manager who sees a libality in his office, might be the old Compurter or the Ceiling fan, he just replace it with the better one. end of the day. Its productivity that matters.
Thats what happens across the world, I am not sure, what happens over there.

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Well said lads but I fear you are fighting a losing battle with Harry!
Oh dear. Phooey rubs his head.

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15 Oct 2013 13:50:22
YNWA Adam

And Mate.
187 shots for his 23 league goals is a poor stats, and If BR still fancies him in his team, means.

1 He doesn't go with the stats, or read your blog.
2. He still trust his right foot more than those nos.

Thats just my personal opinion. But don't worry mate, he is going next summer.

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Quite frankly it has been a bit dull around here without you Harry. You may talk a bit of cr*p quite a bit, but I like you.

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15 Oct 2013 15:26:58
If that computer or ceiling fan cost £15m then they'd probably try and fix it first Harry. Players nowadays don't cost a few grand. You can't just boot them out if they don't hit the ground running. Just like a computer requires an Engineer/Technician to repair them or program them right, a player needs a coach to fix their problems and hope program their mind so they are a more complete footballer. Football is a combination a talent, physical ability, and mental awareness. Every player has talent. The best players have either the right physicality, mentality or both to bring the best out of that talent.

Every computer has microsoft Word, but only a computer used properly can write a novel.

YNWAdam

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15 Oct 2013 17:25:46
Booyeee. I loved that buddy. So we have moved from Allen and Suarez to ceiling fan and computer.
You have got all the right stats with you of every player.
But you haven't included Certain attributes Like, adaptability. flexibility, versatility. etc etc.
and there. Suarez scores 110% marks.
sturridge if played wide right or wide left will give you 0% output. Suarez would still give you above 60% If played anywhere in front 3.
Allen is a decent player, and he has been given opportunities at will. compared to Borini or Aspas.
And Mate, If you have ever supported Aqualini they way you support Allen, then we would have never sold him.

But Mate I would seriously trade the old ceiling fan or the old computer with a guaranteed one any day, and I know I would have to incur some loss.
And that's best way to do Business.

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Good evening folks. I missed out out on the fun but I'm being honest, one thing I like about Harry is there's never a dull moment with him even if he's going to turn d site upside down. Big ups

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16 Oct 2013 07:41:21
Tobi3.
Thanks mate. ANything for this site and club.

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14 Oct 2013 17:54:30
Here we go again 10 weeks till transfer window and papers already stirring up the situatiom.eve standard states suarez of to real madrid .we can't keep unsettling the team regarding all these rumours.we all know that its obviously his first choice. So let's hope a replacement is already scouted so there's no shocks when he finally goes.lets invest in class that don't come cheap.no young players with potential but obvious quality this could the best year all things consodered that we make top 4 so its impprtant we 8mvest wiselly pn proven quality.no more aspass etc etc

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So we should respect the papers and ignore the clubs statement that Suarez won't be sold yet again. And no more aspas? A fraction of the season in and you're already writing him off? Walk on man. He hasn't gotten a single chance to play the number 9 role.

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Its international week mate.lazy jurnos have nothing els to write about!.I'm hoping he'll stay till the summer as I can see us struggling to replace him in Jan

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Like I was saying all summer and forever. Stop believing everything papers write. If Suarez goes he goes. People were having heart attacks and pumping Prozac and the boys still here. So he might stay and if he does he'll destroy teams and win us trophies. Sweet.

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15 Oct 2013 08:01:02
60 mill and suarez goes. bale might be a pretty good player. Infact world class. But suarez does the job, He doesn't care if its real or Liverpool, he is sure to hit 25+ goals per season.
he is worth extra 10 mill to stay injury free whole life.

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14 Oct 2013 16:52:36
What's the recipe to a successful football club?

Its a commonly asked question come 5pm Friday in my local pub. The scholars of the footballing world come together over a pint of ale and see the world to right. What ingredients do Liverpool need to become challengers once again? Well the response that's normally thrown back my way is 'Brendan Rodgers knows nothing' 'FSG out' or 'Sturridge needs dancing lessons' .

But, what's more commonly stated by these footie mavericks is 'If Liverpool are to compete, they need to spend big'.

People seem obsessed with money and spending it in crazy amounts. The question is, does it bring you success? The answer is probably, I mean just look at City for example. They have won the Championship by pouring money out the doors of the Etihad for a skilful South American or your flavour of the week Italian. I guess, it has worked, and Chelsea also back that philosophy up with 10 years of success by paying off 36 managers and signing superstar after superstar to grant them European success, cup success and league success.

So why aren't Liverpool doing this? Arguably the greatest club in world football sufficing to this shower of crap, not good enoughs and rejects that simply are not up to it. Why do we stand for FSG who are simply not putting their hand in their pocket to feed our craving of Ken Aguero and Hazard. WHY DO WE PUT UP WITH THIS??

Well, I guess success doesn't always mean sustainability. So where am I going with this you are probably wondering? let me break it down. The 2 best teams of my generation are Bayern Munich currently and Barcelona of 2 years ago and why? Because they are run like a business and built from the very foundations that all clubs should be built from and that's the youth.

Instead of investing in big players consistently and enjoying 1 or 2 successful years, Bayern and Barca have built a group of players, nurtured them as kids and let them blossom into the first team. The most enjoyable thing about all of this is these lads have grown up playing together, trust each other, understand each other and have that un-buyable chemistry. They play for each other, they are a family and this is their home and rarely will you see a player complain about wages or request a move from the club. But, if a player were to move then they would be handsomely compensated by the buying club and in turn make great profits from their academy protégés. Of course, they both are known to attract and bring in top quality players aswell but they are not obsessed and don't rely on this.

I mean, compare Barca to Madrid over the last 10 years? Compare how much Madrid have spent compared to Barca and compare the silverware and success both teams have had. Look at the likes of Dortmund and Bayern, see how fantastic they have been in Europe compared to English clubs. Its astonishing and definitely confirms that money and marquee signings don't buy you longevity and sustainability.

Bayern and Barca had a few years of being in the wilderness, no champions league football and very little success because they were patiently undergoing a makeover and bided their time and put their trust into the academies. This is where English football is going wrong and it needs to change in my view. Some of you would be more excited to see a foreigner with a big price tag come into the team than one of our own academy boys.

I am not singling out City and Chelsea as Liverpool have been right up their with some of the big spenders but its time for us as a country to evolve and our trust in our home grown talent.

That's where i'm at, and my answer to the lads in the pub is normally along the lines of what i've just said.

Appreciate any comments


Anfield Apple {Ed002's Note - You need to register and sign in but I will let it go for now. And keep in mind that England has three of the top seven ranked tems in Europe based on results - Dortmund are down in 18th.}

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I would agree that we are in a position that we need to make superstars and not buy them, and although much more satisfying than just buying one, I have to ask how much is it out of necessity and how much out of principle? Whatever the answer, you're right with the concept of having a great academy, but we also need great scouts. Don't forget that even Barcelona, with all of their brilliant youngsters, still needed to buy Neymar, Sanchez, Fabregas, Alves, the other full back whose name I forget, and I am sure a few others. They have still bought big, just not as big as Madrid.

It will, however, be all the more satisfying when we beat the big spenders.

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I'm more than happy with our current form, and the way the club is running. It's our best start in years and hopefully by January we will still be in the mix, and with that we could attract a couple of high calibure players.

It wasn't long ago the club was on the brink of administration with players such as Konchesky, Poulsen, Adam and Carroll. Now we have a much better squad of players.

Also we did try to sign a high calibure player on three occasions this summer in Diego Costa, Willian and Mkhitaryan, but sadly missed out on all three.

I have faith in our current set up and the structures being put in place for the clubs future.

Jonesred

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Its a mix of nurturing talent and buying talent. Barca have spent big in recent years on Ibrahimovic. Fabregas. Neymar. Alexis Sanchez. Mascherano. Jordi Alba to name but a few, a lot of the 'nationals' come from the Basque area and have a loyalty to Catalonia.
Same for Bayern. they bought Mario Gomes. Javi Martinez. Robben. Ribery. Goetze etc,
Its not that these teams dont/didnt spend. the only example of that is Dortmund. who did not spend as much in relative terms. Arsrnal have been using that approach for a long time.
In todays climate Economics is important. u can't compare and say Barca's approach is better because they have won more in recent times. Real are more succesful over all, I would say that perhaps they didn't buy as well as in the past and perhaps there was no sustained long term game plan. managers with conflicting ideas and philosophies came and went.
LFC are not in a position to buy the 'very best' or 'all and sundry'. But to think we can sit around waiting for youth developmen for years is absurd. do you really think the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd, City etc are not looking at youth developement as well as buying youngsters percieved to have potential, i.e Lukaku. Hazard. Oscar. Piazon. Ramires. Coutois. David Luiz. DeBruyne. Christian Atsu etc.
Utd bought Rafael. Jones. Smalling. Buttner. DeGea. Hernandez. Zaha. Powell etc
Think LFC rightly ought to think about Youth but its more important for the here and now to get to Champions League and hopefully Buck Rodgers will be shrewd/astute in the transfer market as with Sturridge and Coutinho and perhaps take less of a gamble on players like Borini, Allen and Aspas who haven't had the type of impact perhaps a lot of fans had hoped for. Qualifying for Champions League is essential as it does have a bearing on which players BR can bring to our Club. and those players inevitably impact on the development of Younger players.

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Adam, was the game v city yaya said it was his toughest midfield battle the game Lucas played centre mid as well? As I seem to remember a game Lucas played against yaya and he won 100% of challenges/headers/tackles/interception, maybe it was Lucas he was referring to as well/as oppose to Allen. If not hesvhadva few tough games against us!
By the way I'm not getting at Allen here, I actually think he's a player that was for us at start of his career here
and chances permitting I think he
could be a great player for us for a
long time to come. Reminds me of ronnie whelan at times.

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14 Oct 2013 13:40:42
New Blog by YNWAdam entitled Suso, Coutinho, Adorjan, Teixeira and Alberto, can only one survive?, now on the Liverpool Blogs page

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Keep them coming Adam, always eager to read your write ups and they've been thrilling so far :)

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15 Oct 2013 13:22:47
Cheers Toby, was starting to think nobody was reading them anymore! Appreciate the feedback mate.

YNWAdam

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Adam you are a flirt!

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14 Oct 2013 12:54:26
Hi eds,

Is there any truth that Aspas has asked to leave in Jan. I was told he wants to go back to Spain and has not settled in Liverpool.

Thanks, {Ed002's Note - Sounds like Twitter.}

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14 Oct 2013 11:10:42
If Uruguay miss out on automatic WC qualification, as now looks likely, would Suarez miss any Liverpool games? {Ed002's Note - I would doubt it, there is break the week of the play-offs.}

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14 Oct 2013 09:54:22
I am so happy these days that I can't stop
out the pl table again and again. I feel the players are really working hard. For me our squad is almost complete but just short of another striker and a dominant(physically) midfielder. So I was wondering what if we signed Pogba for like 30+m just imagine how strong we could be. The lad is just 20 something and he is a beast, scores goals, and strong youngster. Could be our SteveG replacement( although no one can ever replace him) and just image how the scums would burn when scores for us. The Juve president recently said they can't resist a mega offer for him. {Ed002's Note - Pogba will not be moving to Liverpool.}

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Pogba for 30+m?. behave

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Posted about pogba a week ago. would bring a fantastic presence to our midfield without mentioning all the other attributes he has. looks a real class act. if not him i'd hassle kolo to bring his brother along ;-)

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