Liverpool Banter Archive September 14 2010

 

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14 Sep 2010 23:58:50
3 weeks left for the fat w* k yanks!

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:57:01

Dont think its short memories it was rafas time to go, and roy has only just taken charge, give him 12 months to sign the players he wants and sell the ones he dont, he can't buy 20 players and sell 20 in one transfer window hence why he kept lucas not aqualani, lucas HAS prem experience aqua dosnt, he needs lucas untill meriless (spelling) is settled, and he can buy a striker, winger and holding mid,

and before you talk bout short memories lads how bout this

joe cole
raul merriless
paul konchesky
christian poulson

everyone chuffed with cole, talking bout how good raul m is, happy konchesky is a solid LB,
so that's 3/ 4 signings we happy with, rafa record was more like 1/ 4, so if u aint got nothing nice to say lads don't say nothing.

(not included for the bloke who left the last comment), what you think of my points ED {ed's note - I think there is no doubt that it was Rafa's time to go and that Roy will need time to rebuild the player's shattered confidence. I am personally pleased with the transfer window, Roy couldn't really do a lot more, he never had the time or money to do everything.}

I am not knocking Hodgson at all, i think he has done very well with his signings. I think it is going to be tough for him like it was Rafa in his last season.

Macca

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:55:39

ED- well don't take her to the chelsea game then. Coz the John Terrys maa song is evil but addictive!

nite chaps

pinder the kebab lover sembhi

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:55:02

"
Ed. This is coming from the guy that said Gerrard to Real was a done deal 100% (see archives). Sorry Ed for the short lived feeling of reassurance. LOL

Also from the guy that told you about Yossi to Chelsea a month before it happened. Cheque the archives Ed.

Transfers fall through when the players have a change of heart.

Macca"

Just goes to prove that if you take enough shots in the dark then 1 is bound to hit the target.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:54:47
Ive said it before and I'l say it again - We made a huge mistake getting rid of Raf Benitez. Watch

Gazman
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Spot on Gazman. I agree.

I keep thinking about how they called for Bobby Robson's head at Newcastle and what happened to them shortly afterwards. I hope it doesn't come to that.

Fabian Treezle

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:48:46

P.S ED-

What did u think to my new Torres song? {ed's note - I can't really see me singing it with my daughter at a match lol.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:48:26
"Ive said it before and I'l say it again - We made a huge mistake getting rid of Raf Benitez. Watch

Gazman


Couldnt agree more mate, some people have very short memories. .

Macca"

Coming from Macca that is grand. Macca, have you forgotten that you once said Gerrard to Real Madrid was a done deal. Or do you have a short memory? LOL

Dont think its short memories it was rafas time to go, and roy has only just taken charge, give him 12 months to sign the players he wants and sell the ones he dont, he can't buy 20 players and sell 20 in one transfer window hence why he kept lucas not aqualani, lucas HAS prem experience aqua dosnt, he needs lucas untill meriless (spelling) is settled, and he can buy a striker, winger and holding mid,

and before you talk bout short memories lads how bout this

joe cole
raul merriless
paul konchesky
christian poulson

everyone chuffed with cole, talking bout how good raul m is, happy konchesky is a solid LB,
so that's 3/ 4 signings we happy with, rafa record was more like 1/ 4, so if u aint got nothing nice to say lads don't say nothing.

(not included for the bloke who left the last comment), what you think of my points ED {ed's note - I think there is no doubt that it was Rafa's time to go and that Roy will need time to rebuild the player's shattered confidence. I am personally pleased with the transfer window, Roy couldn't really do a lot more, he never had the time or money to do everything.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:36:57

"Ive said it before and I'l say it again - We made a huge mistake getting rid of Raf Benitez. Watch

Gazman


Couldnt agree more mate, some people have very short memories. .

Macca"

Coming from Macca that is grand. Macca, have you forgotten that you once said Gerrard to Real Madrid was a done deal. Or do you have a short memory? LOL

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:28:21
Can somebody please explain to me why David Amoo isn't in the 1st team squad, I have watched ALL Reserve team matches both pre season and reserve league, And don't see how Dirk Kuyt, Maxi rodriques are above him in the pecking order for 1st choice Right Winger, He has Pace, Good crosser, Goal scorer, Athletic, And is English, Isntthis the wide man we have been crying out for, Am i missing something, Is this lad a problem, Is his head not right coz i don't get it, Im not saying he's gonna be the next Steve Mcmanaman, But he's earned his fair share of a run of games.

So if you know why he's not involved could you please tell me, Coz im at a loss.

Do you have any idea Ed. {ed's note - can you give me a few hours to come up with a reason? Only I don't have a clue why he is not given a chance.}

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:27:07

ED-

How many of you are there on ere?

i think you should sack the ed who said torres worth 30m max and get him booked in with Jeremy Kyle tomorrow morning.

His armband said he was a red
TORRES TORRES
unlike fat wayne he goes back to his wifes bed. .
TORRES TORRES
we bought the boy and made him THE MAN,
he won't sh*g a call girl or even a gran. .
FERNANDO TORRES . .
liverpools number 9!

PINDER SEMBHI {ed's note - there are 5 or 6 now mate.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:20:50

Ive said it before and I'l say it again - We made a huge mistake getting rid of Raf Benitez. Watch

Gazman


Couldnt agree more mate, some people have very short memories. .

Macca

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:20:16

Not a romour just a thought ed what do you think of this if liverpool get rid of dead wood like lucas ngog plesis insua degen itange poulson kyriagos kuyt im sure thers over 30 million to be made there if they hold out for some prices and bring in january may be upson as cb sharner as cdm santa cruz wright philips pacey winger an attacking midfielder in bellamy one thing i don't get is if hodgoson knew he would be able to spend all of mascheranos money why not get players swaps i bojan basquettes etc i think liverpool have made the biggest mistake in history by putting hodgosn in charge where going to be worser of then last season i seen his team selections worser then benitez he plays a negative holding team and dosent look to score goals jus scarrpy draws like wer fulham he plays lucas and poulson two defensive midfielders who are utter cheap and rubbish and cannot pass a ball from here to the end og this page let alone play the alson role i think hodgosn has to fix up or leave us i rather have benitez back atleast his defensive team did well and looked expnsive and reliable were as hodgson i don't no hat hes thinking n people were talkin of him being the england manager never in a million years mate i hope hodgosn puts this team out from now on if not wave good bye

REINA
JOHNSON AGGER CARRAGHER KONCHESKY
MAXI GERRARD MIERLES JOVANOVIC
TORRES COLE

THIS WILL BRING THE TITLE COME ON HODGSON OPEN YOUR EYES PLEASE!

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:11:17

ED- Its about doing well in the markets for once!

LFC always bottle it and if other plays can go for that sorta price then why should we expect any less for our superior marquee players?

30m? / wakeup dude. Pepe reina is worth that.
Its not bout "just coz man city pay it" its relative to the other sales. Torres WC was poor bcoz of lack of fitness, he will only get tht by playing games. 1 goal in 3 starts isn't a travesty when you compare it to Rooney and consider we have had to play MAN CITY & ARSENAL.

Torres is deadly and I hope you eat your words

PINDER SEMBHI {ed's note - you must have been talking to a different ed mate, I think Torres just needs match fitness too.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 23:08:36

I know a member of the board reasonably well, he said all was going very well. That was all he would say. Takeover is very close, i can assure you.

Cheers Macca

{Editor's Note: I feel comforted, thanks.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 22:53:53

ED- how can you not rate Torres?

He is the best striker we have had for years and has scored goals for fun vs the best of them. 3 vs Mancs home and away, 4 vs chelsea home and away, goals vs arsenal, spurs, man city, barca, inter real. . .

65mil comes from this:

If fatman scum rooney is valued at 80m then how can we not be holding out fot 65 mil min?

If ibra went for 40m plus eto to barca, how can el nino not be worth at least that?

He is 26, european and wc champ.
He is quick, great in air, awesome finisher
and in an era of inflated pricetags and kaka going for 60m we need to either keep him or sell at a premium.

Is that a fair comment?

PINDER SEMBHI

{Editor's Note: So you work out the value of a player by comparing them to other overpriced players? Wow. After the World Cup Liverpool would be luck to get anything over £30M for him. Nobody is paying inflated prices anymore. He had a poor World Cup and has been not too great this season either.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 22:29:37

These little punch ups are sorted very quickly as a rule and things go back to normal in no time.}


And rightly so Ed if this did happen.
The thing between Carra & Arbeloa was small & i think the thing (if any) between Riera & Pacheco was small too as i think if a grown footballer did something to a child footballer it'd get out in the mainstream like Barton and the boy he nutted in the club and burnt with the ciggie.
Put it this way i'm gonna be speaking to Aldo in a few weeks & will ask him if hes heard anything about Riera & Pacheco. Hed tell if he did i'm sure as he has told a friend some stories about Rafa (Cant rely on Hearsay of course but like your mutual friend talking to Carra i suppose?!)

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 22:25:15

ED-

I got to be honest with you here, Hodgson worries me as LFC manager.

He seems too happy to let Purslow handle transfers, while he "simply coaches the team". I fear he will not fight to keep Torres and that will mean getting way below his value (65mil minimum).

Masch should never have gone to Barca for less than what Barca sold Yaya Toure for. Konchesky is okay buy, but Poulsen. . .? I would have rather he went for Lassana Diarra if he wasnt going to land the striker.

For 10mil odd ED- do you not see Agbonlahor as a good target? Young, english, proven in prem, pace to hurt defences? ?

{Editor's Note: I have no idea where the value of £65M from. Barcelona took advantage of Manchester City with Toure - it has zero relationship to Masch's sale. Konchesky is a stop gap at best - how would Liverpool fans have reacted to the ex-Charlton favourite joining a couple of years ago? I would very much doubt that Lass Diarra would move back to England - three previous clubs and a stain left at each Serious attitude and baggage problems. Agbonlahor is by no means good enough in my view - and even most Villa fans would bite your arm off for a reasonable fee.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 22:22:01

ED-

Fair comment. Only thing i don't agree with is u saying Masch was awful at RB.

Masch playd very well as emergency RB. How many goals did we concede when he was there?

So u hate Johnson? I said straight away that instead of 18M on Johnson and 20m on Aqua we could have had David Villa. . If only Rafa had gone to specsavers eh Ed?


I genuinely think even Danny Murphy back from Fulham wuda bin better move by Hodgson than buying Poulsen and playing him with Lucas.

I jus want Babel and Pacheco to get the same 15 straight games like Lucas got to build their confidence fitness and then we can start unlocking or terorising defences again.

Babel is so quick and v strong with a bullet finish. Imagine what 30 starts a season could transform him into ED?
a starting XI with Meireles Gerrard Babel Cole Torres be a pretty decent outfit eh Ed? Good comment i must say.
I agree with pretty much all that! !
Kev

 

 

14 Sep 2010 22:21:48
Blair Mayne YNWA wrote at 14 Sep 2010 22:13:38:

"Believ me, dis s frm a vry reliable source.no tekova dat is goin to tek place kam 6th october.H&G r goin to repay dat loan.

Liverpulblood!'

Has anyone translated this crap yet?"

You know a couple of months ago the "believers" (as they came to be known) would have this nailed as a secret message from the club to the fans.

I miss those posts.

Sharkey.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 22:21:17

Are the kwok family going to be the new owners?

{Editor's Note: Straw grasping jounalism - again.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 22:17:48

{ed's note - that wasn't a quote by Carra, well not in the papers as such mate, it was what he said to a mutual friend.}


Well if Carra did say that then that's rich from him considering he & Arbeloa had a rather public handbags against West Brom away 16 months ago.
Carragher is the most confrontational player on the pitch in most games yet makes some terrible errors himself. If i was a player on his team he & i would have clashed big time as i think hes a nice enough bloke off the pitch but all talk on it & no action. Hes not what he thinks he is. He is all heart i give him that but we need more than that.
Skrtel & Agger should be our centre back pairing now. Think Carra is holding us back a bit.
I know most won't agree but its just my opinion!
I see Rafa's European Champions drew with the mighty FC Twenty tonight (Only cause Eto'o scored an absolute cracker of an equaliser). {ed's note - the confrontation between him and Arbeloa is a bit different to one between Riera and what was a tiny kid at the time. It wasn't Riera's proudest moment and he knew it himself, but these things happen in the heat of the moment. The problem is these days that things often get blown out of proportion - like the guy claiming it was the reason for him being sold. These little punch ups are sorted very quickly as a rule and things go back to normal in no time.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 22:06:32

ED-

Fair comment. Only thing i don't agree with is u saying Masch was awful at RB.

Masch playd very well as emergency RB. How many goals did we concede when he was there?

So u hate Johnson? I said straight away that instead of 18M on Johnson and 20m on Aqua we could have had David Villa. . If only Rafa had gone to specsavers eh Ed?


I genuinely think even Danny Murphy back from Fulham wuda bin better move by Hodgson than buying Poulsen and playing him with Lucas.

I jus want Babel and Pacheco to get the same 15 straight games like Lucas got to build their confidence fitness and then we can start unlocking or terorising defences again.

Babel is so quick and v strong with a bullet finish. Imagine what 30 starts a season could transform him into ED?
a starting XI with Meireles Gerrard Babel Cole Torres be a pretty decent outfit eh Ed?

PINDER SEMBHI YNWA {ed's note - Babel needs to keep up the recent effort he has shown in training. Up until recently he was very poor in training, seemed to think he had already made it. Last few months he has shown a marked improvement - I believe he even took extra training on a day off this week. Otherwise I would have been in favour of selling him, his attitude was terrible in the past. Mash played well once, then he was awful and constantly caught out of position, like you would expect really, and as Kelly was fit and raring to go it made no sense to keep playing Mash out there. I do agree that I never saw any sense in signing Poulsen, but Roy must see something in him, hopefully he will be proven right at the end of the season.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 22:01:46

{ed's note - I never said it was anything to do with Riera going mate, I just said that one incident did happen. I doubt it had any bearing whatsoever on Rafa's leaving him out regularly as Riera was in and out the side before it happened and injured for long periods after. But honestly, it did happen, Carra was disgusted with him, called it a cheap shot mate.}


I didn't say you did Ed.
It was Soul Man who said it and you commented on it which lead to this mess :) If you read back over the comments you'll see. All i was saying was Rafa fell out with loads of players & his big ego effected the club, Soul Man gave reasons he believed were why they all fell out or why players moved on & you jumped in sayin There really was a punch thrown at Pacheco.
I don't think it caused it to happen 100% either (if it ever did happen). Would love to see Carra's quote that he thought it was a cheap shot by the way.
Think when Riera criticized Rafa that was it all over for him as Rafa's ego again got in the way.
And then there was no way back from it.
The club backed Rafa on it & that was all she wrote.
Riera could still do a job in this team instead of The Serb but instead we took a financial loss again (like with Keane) cause of Rafa. Keane bought for 18m - sold for 12m (6m loss). Riera bought for 8m - sold for 4.5m (3.5m loss). Thats 9m we could have used in this most recent window to buy a decent striker but noooo Rafa blew it {ed's note - that wasn't a quote by Carra, well not in the papers as such mate, it was what he said to a mutual friend.}

 

 

14 Sep 2010 22:01:18

David Amoo scored 2 goals for the reserves tonight. Surely now that Kuyt is injured this lad should be giving a chance. Maybe not against MAN'URE but soon hopefully.

Amoo has got pace, he's strong, can cross, very skillfull and obviously knows were the back of the net is. He could be the answer to your prayers ED.

Blar Mayne YNWA {ed's note - I love watching Amoo play, would love him to get a good run of games to see what he can do.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:49:38

REINA. . . . TOP 3 KEEPERS IN PREM. . .agreed
JOHNSON. . GREAT RIGHT WINGBACK BUT CANT DEFEND. .agreed in a 532 formation
KONCHESKY.WILL DO JOB UNTILL BETTER OPTION. true
CARRAGHER. READS GAME BUT CAUGHT OUT FOR SPEED. .bob on
AGGER. . . . DEFENDS AND PLAYS BALL WELL. .again true
MERELES. . . GOOD PASSER WITH VISION. .hope so
GERRARD. . .DOES IT ALL. .DID it all! but not as support striker
KUYT. . . . . .100% BUT NO SPEED OR FINAL BALL. disagree, fit fast and not a winger.Inside right
JOVANAVIC. .LEFT SIDE KUYT. as above, but after looking good worried me a bit against birm.
COLE. . . . . .CAN UNLOCK DEFENCE WITH FINAL BALL. agreed
TORRES. . . . BEST FINISHER IN PREMIERSHIP . When he gets his act together, pist me off last week, If you watched Drogba play like that you'd be made up and take the piss out of Chelsea. the only similarity to Torres at the mo. is RoasterRooney.poor form and everyone else to blame. SMF

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:45:02

Whoever said your puncuation was bad. .was talking rubbish, its your spelling. your right though it wasn't a bad team we just had a bad season. but you had to blame the manager though. Benitez's fortunes changed with Keane the season before(maybe we could have won lg and champs lg with him), either he was very stubborn or Keane was a monster? Maybe you could see it before(plz tell me if you could) but after Keane , Benitez's stubborness snowballed. SMF


Good point SMF.
Agreed

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:41:17

ED- give me a break pal.

I spend thousands on my beloved LFC, and over the last 3 years now I have watched Lucas from the Kop, from Anfield Road, to the Main Stand, the Family Stand to Stamford Bridge, Goodison, and even the old armchair. .


How can you tell me to get any more behind the waste of scar tissue that is Lucas?? He has had 50 games to prove me wrong and he simply is awful.
Wherever I watched him hes been a liability.

He has done about 3 memorable things. Assist Gerrard vs Newcastle 3 years ago, Scored vs mighty Havant & Waterloo and rounded keeper in Europa league. THATS ALL HE HAS CONTRIBUTED IN OVER 50 MATCHES! !

You tell me I have changed my point each post - hardly. I have consistently proven that Lucas is not good enough for LFC. I just wish you would admit that. When Masch played RB for us that was out of position yet he bossed it. Kuyt plays oout of position on RW and most LFC fans love him for it.

Lucas is poor- and LFC never winning league will not be because I don't get behind him. I GUARANTEE we will never win league when Lucas starts more than 5 matches! !

You can tell Gerrard, Torres, Johnson Carra ETC don't rate him. His positional sense is like watching 5 yr old kickaround.

How much would you rate him out of 10? {ed's note - Mash was awful at right back, it was a terrible decision to play him there after Kelly returned to fitness. But I have never said Lucas is good enough in the position he plays, I am not sure he would be good enough in the position he wants to play either. But what I do know is that he will never play his best with the fans on his back. Out of 10, I would probably give him 6, but he is not the worst player at the club and his effort deserves recognition. Oh and that is 3 out of 10 more than I would rate our 18m pound right back!}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:40:25

{ed's note - why would any player talk about that? It happens all the time in training, there are regularly dust ups between players, what makes you think that this one would get particular notice? The Hartson/ Berkovic one got such coverage because of the nastiness of the incident and because it was being filmed. I have it direct from one of the players at training that Reira punched a then-youth team player. I was told by others that it was Pacheco when I asked on other forums, so that may be false info, I admit that.}

Its definately false Ed.
Why wouldn't players talk about it?
I agree dust ups happen all the time in football training. So why if this happened was it so bad to get Riera booted out. I admit i could be wrong too but there is no evidence to suggest its true unless a player comes out and says it actually happened.
Like the Fowler & Ruddock incident in the 90's.
Neither of those guys left due to that nor did Berkovic or Hartson as a direct result of their fall out.
Look its not really important as both Riera & Rafa are gone now and we need to move with the times. Lets not fall out :)
Love the site.
Lets just hug ha ! {ed's note - I never said it was anything to do with Riera going mate, I just said that one incident did happen. I doubt it had any bearing whatsoever on Rafa's leaving him out regularly as Riera was in and out the side before it happened and injured for long periods after. But honestly, it did happen, Carra was disgusted with him, called it a cheap shot mate.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:34:40

As to the Aquilani saga:

Roy tested him in training and found out he was too lightweight and could be knocked over easily, so he sent him to Juventus on loan so he could gain some of his value back before being sold.

The takeover rumours posted on here are all a load of rubbish! Nobody knows anything about it not even the ed.

Now to the team situation. It is clear Liverpool need a new striker. Torres is still unfit and does not have he right mentality yet. A good striker needs to be bought when the takeover is done. It would also be wise to buy another well known Spanish player ie. Juan Mata or Jesus Navas to keep Torres happy; also it would give us a good wide option.

What are your thoughts ED? {ed's note - why does Torres need a Spanish mate? What is wrong with Reina? We do need pace and width though, I agree.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:31:02

SOUL MAN HERE.
TO THE POSTER I POSTED TO TWO SEPERATE POSTERS YOU MIGHTNT HAVE BEEN THE ONE WHO SLAGED OF MY PUNCUATION. ANY WAY RAFA DIDNT LET ORILIO GO HE WAS OFFERED A CONTRACT PAY AS YOU PLAY WITCH HE REFUSED, THEN ROY OR PURSLOW GAVE HIM A 2 YEAR CONTRACT HES NOW INJURED AGAIN. THE TEAM IS BETTER THAN WHEN RAFA TOOK OVER. LAST YEAR WAS A BAD YEAR NOT A BAD TEAM .
OUR SOUL MAN.
Whoever said your puncuation was bad. .was talking rubbish, its your spelling. your right though it wasn't a bad team we just had a bad season. but you had to blame the manager though. Benitez's fortunes changed with Keane the season before(maybe we could have won lg and champs lg with him), either he was very stubborn or Keane was a monster? Maybe you could see it before(plz tell me if you could) but after Keane , Benitez's stubborness snowballed. SMF

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:30:03

It's not completely fair to blame it all on Benitez. The gobs* tes in the KOP with their Rafa flags and songs are just as much to blame for the downfall of the club as Rafa Benitez is or indeed as H+G are. They say LFC fans know their football, yet the sat through 4 years of it getting worse & worse every year just like Mourhino said with their heads up their bums chanting his name despite what they were seeing in front of their eyes. And this is the standard of "fan" that now criticises Roy Hodgson after 4 games & trying to deal with the garbage that the great Rafa left behind. Maybe you should all look back at the start of the 2004/ 5 season remember how the almighty performed. You lot can sing all ye want about never walking alone but your really showing your what your made of now.

JoseK

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:29:25

14 Sep 2010 20:50:27
SOUL MAN HERE.
TO THE POSTER I POSTED TO TWO SEPERATE POSTERS YOU MIGHTNT HAVE BEEN THE ONE WHO SLAGED OF MY PUNCUATION. ANY WAY RAFA DIDNT LET ORILIO GO HE WAS OFFERED A CONTRACT PAY AS YOU PLAY WITCH HE REFUSED, THEN ROY OR PURSLOW GAVE HIM A 2 YEAR CONTRACT HES NOW INJURED AGAIN. THE TEAM IS BETTER THAN WHEN RAFA TOOK OVER. LAST YEAR WAS A BAD YEAR NOT A BAD TEAM .
THE SOUL MAN.


Soul Man,
Rafa did let him go.
He offered him a poor contract & refused to give an inch. Yes Aurelio is injured regularly but i'd rather have that than just Insua.
Like our striker situation we'd have been left in dire shortage of left back cover.
How is the team better? The table doesn't lie.
Please try to be realistic. This is like trying to explain to a preacher that god didn't make Planet Earth. That it was in fact something called "The big bang" that took billions of years to come about not the seven days (i think) religious people believe. Look, once we get new owners we'll get better & we can all move on from Rafa. If we live in the past we never go forward. So lets move on eh?! Lets all just get behind who we have at the club. Yes even Mr. Lucas Leiva. They need our support now more than in many a long year. Lets just hope Hodgson gets out of his defensive beliefs or we'll be mid table come end of season (Dalglish was my first choice as he has Liverpool in his heart & would have seen our peril with lack of goal scorers)
Is it any wonder we've only scored 2 goals in first 4 league games?!

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:17:35
God who cares if we had a better team under the last manager or the one before that face facts

REINA. . . . TOP 3 KEEPERS IN PREM
JOHNSON. . GREAT RIGHT WINGBACK BUT CANT DEFEND
KONCHESKY.WILL DO JOB UNTILL BETTER OPTION
CARRAGHER. READS GAME BUT CAUGHT OUT FOR SPEED
AGGER. . . . DEFENDS AND PLAYS BALL WELL
MERELES. . . GOOD PASSER WITH VISION
GERRARD. . .DOES IT ALL
KUYT. . . . . .100% BUT NO SPEED OR FINAL BALL
JOVANAVIC. .LEFT SIDE KUYT
COLE. . . . . .CAN UNLOCK DEFENCE WITH FINAL BALL
TORRES. . . . BEST FINISHER IN PREMIERSHIP

UNTILL THE TAKEOVER THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE GET BEHIND THEM AND ROY

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:15:49

ED- please tell me you are not serious. .

As below par as Gerrard may have been last season he still scored goals, created goals and put in the odd quality challenge. can you really expect anyone to believe Lucas was a better player?

Now you trying to convince me he is an AM. Can you really say someone cam be an AM if they can't shoot, can't pass or can't sprint?

He is so poor at shooting its untrue. (And his own goals do not count)

Now consider the following:

CLUBS WE SHOULD REGARD OUR COMP:

Chelsea: Lampard, Essien, Mikel, Kakuta, Ramires
Manure: Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Hargr.
Arsenal: Fab, Diaby, Song, Rosicky, Ramsey, Wilshere
Man City: Milner, De Jong, Barry, Vieira, Toure

* * CLUBS WE SHOULD BE BETTER THAN * *

Spurs: Van der Vart, Modric, Palacios, Krancjar, Huddlestone, Jenas.
Villa: Petrov, Ireland, Sidwell, Reocoker
Everton:Arteta, Feillani, Rodwell


Now would Lucas get On any of the above team benches? NOOPE

In their squad? very unlikely. .


SO why the hell does he START for LFC? ?

COME ON ED- admit it! he shouldnt even be a regular substitute let alone our regular CM.

Fair point?? ?


PINDER SEMBHI {ed's note - sorry mate but you are changing your point everytime you make a post. I have never said Lucas is the best player in the world, I have just said people should get off his back. He scored goals for fun in Brazil, yet Rafa decided he should be used to sit in front of the back four. I am saying stop judging him on that, it is unfair on the lad. By the way, with people constantly on the player's backs like you are on Lucas, we will never win the league again.}

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:14:36

{ed's note - it is well known amongst the players, just because it wasn't caught on film doesn't mean it didn't happen. Try asking on Liverpool forums, any ITK will tell you about it.}


As i said Ed if wrong i will apologise but i have never seen / heard of this before and seriously doubt if it'd get covered up that well that players like Benny didn't say it to the press on leaving the club cause he had nothing to lose. Or even that players of any stature didn't leak it out. Dani himself never has said it in an interview. And now Riera has gone could easily have said it. Riera like many before him didn't like Rafa as he was egotistical and put himself before the club mainly in the Robbie Keane saga & his contract talks in 08 / 09. If you can direct me to an interview where one of the players / staff mentions a punch up between Pacheco & Riera i will wholeheartedly apologise and admit Rafa is a legend (well maybe not the second part :) ) Cheers {ed's note - why would any player talk about that? It happens all the time in training, there are regularly dust ups between players, what makes you think that this one would get particular notice? The Hartson/Berkovic one got such coverage because of the nastiness of the incident and because it was being filmed. I have it direct from one of the players at training that Reira punched a then-youth team player. I was told by others that it was Pacheco when I asked on other forums, so that may be false info, I admit that.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:12:23
Hol elucidated at 14 Sep 2010 20:48:07:

"Just a thought, but if the debt has to be repaid by the 6th of oct. And there are interested buyers at the table. Whats to stop one of them making a bid before the 6th just to stop an auction taking place. any thoughts"

You are correct that this is an option - and a very viable option. You need to forget the "auction" word. As I said right after Martin Broughton said it on July 1, I thought he would later regret using the word. It does howver cunjure up a great vision of Liverpool being for sale on eBay with a low reserve of £450M. One careful owner - slightly soiled.

In all seriousness you have stumbled upon a viable consideration which no doubt would have been raised and discussed. Is there someone out there who would give a better return than any "forced" option - knowing that it is a bargain; knowing that there would be no need for investment in anything like a new stadium, and knowing they could put it back up for sale and make a good profit - perhaps even to be shared with Hicks and Gillett. I would very much doubt if this has not been considered in detail by Kurdi and his Canadian backers.

Sharkey.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 21:04:39

14 Sep 2010 16:48:47

After reading the banter page today i decided to answer the claim that benitez was a good tactical manager who for i ask milan in 2005 or a year later lets not forget liverpool won the champions league on pens not through any great tactical plan, or maybe it was the fact he made a great big mistake with the team selection from the off playin kewell who had to go off once we where 3.0 down and he had to make a change by bringing on the player who should have played from the start hamman, certainly no tactical genius he made the same mistake the next year kewell again plus zenden who was got rid of the next day.fa cup final win another on pens to lowly west ham. yea what a great tactical manager he was, he so had to goWell said! Dead right!
A normal person on this site finally & not blinded by pro Rafa people. Rafa HAD to go! HAD TO GO!

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:50:27
SOUL MAN HERE.
TO THE POSTER I POSTED TO TWO SEPERATE POSTERS YOU MIGHTNT HAVE BEEN THE ONE WHO SLAGED OF MY PUNCUATION. ANY WAY RAFA DIDNT LET ORILIO GO HE WAS OFFERED A CONTRACT PAY AS YOU PLAY WITCH HE REFUSED, THEN ROY OR PURSLOW GAVE HIM A 2 YEAR CONTRACT HES NOW INJURED AGAIN. THE TEAM IS BETTER THAN WHEN RAFA TOOK OVER. LAST YEAR WAS A BAD YEAR NOT A BAD TEAM .
THE SOUL MAN.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:50:12

{ed's note - Riera punched Pacheco in training, that is not rubbish mate.}

If this is so Ed then Riera would have been splashed all over the news like Hartson a few years back.
It never happened!
If i'm wrong i'll hold my hands up but where is the proof / interviews with witnesses (ie players & staff) to say that it happened?
Either way Rafa fell out with more than just Riera,
He was just a stubborn so and so & that brought his end realistically {ed's note - it is well known amongst the players, just because it wasn't caught on film doesn't mean it didn't happen. Try asking on Liverpool forums, any ITK will tell you about it.}

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:48:07

Just a thought, but if the debt has to be repaid by the 6th of oct. And there are interested buyers at the table. Whats to stop one of them making a bid before the 6th just to stop an auction taking place. any thoughts

hol

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:45:36

Torres has been told in no uncertain terms to buck up his work rate or risk losing his place in the team - Hodgson, despite his public defence of the striker, is extremely annoyed at the lack of work and desire shown by Torres, and is willing to drop him to prove how strongly he feels.

Hodgson is hugely impressed with the application, skill and desire being shown by a number of the youngsters and is looking to reward that with a place in the team.

I, for one, agree with him - We are not good enough to have a 'sulking' star in the team, who spends longer blaming those around him than trying himself.

If Torres showed half the desire that the like of Lucas shows, he would be a world beater week in week out, not just in the 'bigger' games.

Lucas may not have an awful lot to his game, but at least he tries

Bloody hell, lay off Nando will you, he was knackered having just flew to Argentina and back, give the Brummies a bit of credit will you, they played him well, as far as Lucas goes, it's no good having desire if you just run around like a headless chicken, he doesn't know how to tackle, he doesn't know when to stay on his feet and not commit himself. when Mereles came on Gerrard went in the middle and we looked a different team. The team i'd play against the Manure is. . .
Reina
Kelly Carragher Agger Koncheski

Johnson Gerrard Mereles Jovanovic

Cole

Torres

Subs, Jones, Babbel, Skirtel, Pacheco, Wilson,

Once again you want to run before we can walk.


Sooty

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:43:03

To who wrote these as the 5 starting XI CM worse prem players than Lucas

Ill take it:
Fabrice Muamba (Bolton)
Karl Henry (Wolves)
Youssouf Mulumbu (WBA)
Tom Huddlestone (Tottenham)
Dean Whitehead (Stoke)
Nigel Reo-Coker (Villa)


Reo-coker doesn't start, and he has more pace and better tackling than Lucas.

Huddlestone defo isn't a regular CM for spurs and when he is, hes a farbetter shot and strength and is defo better than MUCUS LUCAS.

As for the others - has it really come to the stage where you compare CM of WBA, WOLVES AND STOKE with LFC??


Redknapp, Mcallister, Murphy, Hamann, Gerrard, Alonso, . . LUCAS??

I REST MY CASE!


PINDER SEMBHI

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:40:48

KEV WHATEVER YOUR ON LEAVE IT ALONE MATE.
ANOTHER LFC FAN WHO DOESNT LET THE TRUTH GET IN THE WAY OF AN ATTACK ON RAFA .
CROUCH WOULDNT SIGN A NEW CONTRACT SO HAD TO BE SOLD FACT. SAMMI WANTED TO PLAY EVERY WEEK SO WOULDNT SIGN AN EXTENTION FACT.RAFA FELL OUT WITH RIERA BECAUSE HE ALLEGEDLY THUMPED A YOUNGER PLAYER . LUCAS COST 5 MLL NOT 7MLL.YOU SAY WE WENT BACKWARDS IN THE LEAGUE WE ENDED 2ND THE YEAR BEFORE LAST WITH THE BEST PIONTS WEVE EVER HAD IN THE PREM. THAT YEAR WAS THE YEAR TO REALLY PUSH ON AND BUY SOME WORLD CLASS PLAYERS WHAT HAPPENED WE MADE A PROFIT ON TRANSFERS FOR THE THIRD WINDOW IN A ROW. RAFA HAD THE 2 COWBOYS OWNING THE CLUB AND HAD ALL THE PROPLEMS THAT CAME WITH THAT .
THE SOUL MAN.


Look Soul man i never tried insulting you but if that's the tone of your arguement that's your problem.
I'm not on anything thanks.
I just see reality unlike you clearly.
Dont be a sad act. Where did we finish last season?
Where did we finish before Rafa came?
This is about the team he left us.
Riera never hit any young player.
Stop talking rubbish.
I can't be bothered responding to you anymore as your arguements are based on bull. Go back to your homework please. You have times tables tomorrow {ed's note - Riera punched Pacheco in training, that is not rubbish mate.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:39:10
Does any one agree that Mereles looked good enough to warrant a start against Man Ure?

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:37:21
Unsigned wrote at 14 Sep 2010 20:26:56:

"Trying to get to the bottom of all the different possibilities around 6th Oct is getting ridiculous."

There are many options that you missed - firstly what if nothing happens on the 6th - which seems most likely to me? This could be indicative of a sale process that is in hand. What if there is a buyer for a proportion of the club - in line with the original Rhone Group offer? What if RBS extend the repayment deadline? What if Hicks and Gillett make a partial payment - as they did last year - reducing the debt and allowing the loan to be renegotiated? I could go on; but now October 6 is close enough to wait and see - then the conspiracy theories can start.

Sharkey.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:31:53

TERRIBLE PUNCUATION / 90
IF ALL YOUVE GOT TO SAY IS ABOUT MY PUNCUATION THEN YOU MUST AGREE WITH ALL MY PIONTS?.
90 IF YOU THINK THE TEAM THAT RAFA LEFT WAS WORSE THAN THE ONE HE TOOK OVER YOU MUST THINK THAT PEPE AGGER MASCH TORRES JOHNSON
LUCAS AURILIO SKRTEL PACHECO KUYT MAXI KELLY
KYRGIAKOS BABEL BENY ARE WORSE THAN THE PLAYERS HE TOOK OVER?. I THINK NOT.
THE SOUL MAN ,

Ok first of all i didn't criticsize anyones "puncuation" as you say. Rafa did leave us a poor team (one injured proven striker on our books as a prime example).
Aurelio was actually left go by Rafa and brought back by Hodgson by the way.
You obviously didn't do your homework properly.
Rafa left us in a worse league position than when he started so tell me where your proof is that we are better now than when he came in. The proof is in the league table. He brought us backwards. Please stop fooling yourself. I liked the man at first but his ego got the better of him & that brought us down along with him ultimately!

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:26:56

Trying to get to the bottom of all the different possibilities around 6th Oct is getting ridiculous.
You start off by asking- will H+G somehow get enough money to pay off the RBS loans?
Even though they are both in lots of trouble, who really knows if they won't be able to persuade some bank (or a big and crazy private investor maybe) to give them 350m?
There was also talk of an option to get credit from Barcap, so just maybe H+G will still surprise everyone by producing the cash for RBS on 6th October, God forbid.

But if you were betting, you would put odds on them not being able to pay up.
So then you ask- what/ will can RBS do? Everything depends on what action H+G can take to prevent a sale at a lower price than they want.
1. Some people seem to be saying that RBS have the power to 'seize' the club immediately and sell for whatever price they see fit. It sounds feasible but most of us are clueless about big finance and so much cr*p gets posted that you never really know what is possible.
2. Others say H+G can mount a legal challenge and delay the sale for months. Again, who knows enough about finance, and about the conditions of this particular loan, to be sure? Anyone out there?
3. Another option I heard was for RBS as a creditor to force the club into administration shortly after 6th, which does take it out of H+Gs hands, but at the cost of 9 points lost, thus ruining any last hope of a top 4 finish.
4. Fourth option is RBS takes over the sale process and gets a half-decent price so that H+G can walk away with a few quid. But how much will be enough for H+G? We already know they valued the club around 700m this year, and nothing short of a firing squad seems to able to persuade them to let go. Will any bidder match H+G's demands, even after 6th when you hope they will lower their price? And just how much involvement or power can they have anyway after 6th?
It all seems to depend on what powers RBS have after H+G default, and what defensive tactics H+G can mount to delay a sale. There must be someone out there who knows enough to be sure about how far H+G can go?

{Editors' Note: Where does the figure of £350M come from?}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:19:53
KEV WHATEVER YOUR ON LEAVE IT ALONE MATE.
ANOTHER LFC FAN WHO DOESNT LET THE TRUTH GET IN THE WAY OF AN ATTACK ON RAFA .
CROUCH WOULDNT SIGN A NEW CONTRACT SO HAD TO BE SOLD FACT. SAMMI WANTED TO PLAY EVERY WEEK SO WOULDNT SIGN AN EXTENTION FACT.RAFA FELL OUT WITH RIERA BECAUSE HE ALLEGEDLY THUMPED A YOUNGER PLAYER . LUCAS COST 5 MLL NOT 7MLL.YOU SAY WE WENT BACKWARDS IN THE LEAGUE WE ENDED 2ND THE YEAR BEFORE LAST WITH THE BEST PIONTS WEVE EVER HAD IN THE PREM. THAT YEAR WAS THE YEAR TO REALLY PUSH ON AND BUY SOME WORLD CLASS PLAYERS WHAT HAPPENED WE MADE A PROFIT ON TRANSFERS FOR THE THIRD WINDOW IN A ROW. RAFA HAD THE 2 COWBOYS OWNING THE CLUB AND HAD ALL THE PROPLEMS THAT CAME WITH THAT .
THE SOUL MAN.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 20:19:28

Right so - who would win - (Arguably) Houlliers best team:

(he inherited - quite a few)

Jerzy Dudek
carra Stephane Henchoz Sami Hyypia Riise
Murphy Gerrard Hamman Kewell
Owen Heskey
bench. Biscan, Diouf, Cisse, Baros, Smicer, Traore, Kirkland,

Arguably Benitez's best Team from his tenure:

Torres
Gerrard
Garcia Alonso Mascherano Kuyt
Riise Agger Carra Finnan?Johnson?
Reina
bench.
Skrtel, Crouch, Bellamy, Arbeloa, Benayoun, Aurelio, Carson

(sissoko, Riera?)

This is not a fair example.
Where is Anelka in Houllier's team for example.
Think he'd probably get in instead of Heskey.
McAllister in his prime too maybe. If you say these two don't count as they were on loan (Anelka) or One season wonders (McAllister) then you could easily argue Bellamy was never in the same squad as Torres for example so can't have it both ways.
This is why its a poor & unfair example but for what its worth i reckon Houllier's team would beat our current bunch Rafa left us with at the end of last season. Left us with one (unfit & injured) proven striker. Enough said!

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 19:59:41

Which absolute fool posted this?:

only just seen it. . about Rafa

Season 1 : Terrible in League, brought in one of the worst players in our long history (Nunez) in part transfer for Owen. .disaster! Josemi? Really Rafa?
In the Champions League final he got tactics all wrong so we were 3 down at half time. .brought on Hamman at half time to keep the score down (Dont tell me he knew Hamman comin on would mean we'd come back 3-3).

Are YOU thick?

WE WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE! - the champions league! what more do you want! Rafa's wife? are you stupid. And he got to the final again 2 years later!

Ive said it before and I'l say it again - We made a huge mistake getting rid of Raf Benitez. Watch

Gazman


Er Gazman,
Seriously now kid ask yourself how we improved under the fat Spaniard?
We went backwards in the league for one which all us fans have had as our #1 priority the last few seasons since Man U have been catching up to our 18 titles. We luckily won that Champs Lg. That situation will probably never ever happen in such a big final again. It was not Rafa's defensive switch that changed the game - if you believe that you're kidding yourself. How can you defend a man who bought such rubbish as Lucas for 7m, Josemi for 3.5, Johnson for 17m, Cavalieri for 3m, Babel for 11m then wasted his talent, Sold Keane for a loss cause his ego got the better of him. I could go on.
He fell out with Torres (start of season 07/ 08), Riera (last season), Benny (throughout the last 2 or 3 seasons off & on), Alonso (well documented) & Dudek (Our Champs Lg hero no less), even Hyypia (season 09/ 10). All cause of his ego. He also wanted full running of club which he got & guess what happened then, er LAST SEASON! So i'm sorry now but you are talking outta your nether regions!
Stop being blinkered and get back to reality.
Rafa left us in worse condition than when he found us. Simple as & end of story. The facts are there for all to see!
We had a decent team in 07/ 08 & 08/ 09 until he sold Crouch who he also fell out with & Keane who he treated like dirt and stupidly never replaced them.
If we'd kept Keane or replaced him we could have won the league in 08/ 09 but drew against West Ham & Fulham at home. Cause of a lack of fire power me thinks? Who would you blame for that? Houllier? Souness? No Rafa! But we will recover!
Once this takeover is done Rafa will be just a bad dream hopefully. And finally next time you criticsize a post Gazman - Try reading the whole post as that post was not all anti Rafa. It was a pretty decent effort of being fair to everyone involved!
Kev

 

 

14 Sep 2010 19:59:40
TERRIBLE PUNCUATION / 90
IF ALL YOUVE GOT TO SAY IS ABOUT MY PUNCUATION THEN YOU MUST AGREE WITH ALL MY PIONTS?.
90 IF YOU THINK THE TEAM THAT RAFA LEFT WAS WORSE THAN THE ONE HE TOOK OVER YOU MUST THINK THAT PEPE AGGER MASCH TORRES JOHNSON
LUCAS AURILIO SKRTEL PACHECO KUYT MAXI KELLY
KYRGIAKOS BABEL BENY ARE WORSE THAN THE PLAYERS HE TOOK OVER?. I THINK NOT.
THE SOUL MAN ,

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 19:35:37

The team from two years ago would have battered anything Houllier had playing for us - get a grip. Torres, Alonso, Masc, Reina were head and shoulders above what was there before - not to say Benitez didn't manage to mess it up by losing Alonso, and then it fell apart.

From 2 years ago maybe yes but the whole point of this post was "Did Rafa leave yes leave the team better than when he came in"?
Our league position last season should answer that for you my friend. Stop being blinkered by Pro Rafa folk on here! Use your head & get real!
90

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 19:31:41

Who are the right players for Lucas?

As a challenge, name me 5 worse CM starting XI players in the premiership please. . .

Ill take it:
Fabrice Muamba (Bolton)
Karl Henry (Wolves)
Youssouf Mulumbu (WBA)
Tom Huddlestone (Tottenham)
Dean Whitehead (Stoke)
Nigel Reo-Coker (Villa)

there are more - Lucas is not perfect and most likely not good enough but he could be alot worse

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 18:58:38

14 Sep 2010 18:56:32
Cant believe people are laying into roy hodgson all ready get real for god sake the guy has lets face it a below average squad with no real attacking presence once you take gerrard, torres and cole out the side and bear in mind torres is still fighting to gain fitness and cole has been suspended .
with no takeover he was forced to scrap for half decent players players he felt can do a job in the premiership.
you can not fault his managerial record as he has done well where ever he has been,
liverpool allways take time to blend but with 4 wins out of 4 in europa league and a win 2 draws and only 1 defeat in premiership (thats 1 defeat in 8 games) we could have been in top 4 but for arsenals last min goal or a win over birmingham,
dont get me wrong the teams not playing well but the last time we started this slowly we finished 3rd


GOOD POINT.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 18:56:32
Cant believe people are laying into roy hodgson all ready get real for god sake the guy has lets face it a below average squad with no real attacking presence once you take gerrard, torres and cole out the side and bear in mind torres is still fighting to gain fitness and cole has been suspended .
with no takeover he was forced to scrap for half decent players players he felt can do a job in the premiership.
you can not fault his managerial record as he has done well where ever he has been,
liverpool allways take time to blend but with 4 wins out of 4 in europa league and a win 2 draws and only 1 defeat in premiership (thats 1 defeat in 8 games) we could have been in top 4 but for arsenals last min goal or a win over birmingham,
dont get me wrong the teams not playing well but the last time we started this slowly we finished 3rd

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 18:52:10
Again he proved he was a red Torres, Torres.
He put the transfer talk to bed Torres, Torres.
He told Roy Hodgson where he stands,
He loves the club and he loves the fans.
Fernando Torres, Liverpool's number 9.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 18:22:24

I posted this morn to ask everyone to have abit of perspective, im glad ed agreed. all i want to get across is you don't win anything after four games in the league. lets get behind roy and the boys whoever he decides to pick and with abit of luck it will all come good. ed the bloke who was havin a right go at you was talkin alot of crap so don't take much notice of him. he was obviously of school and was bored with jeremy kyle. . . . .i reckon we will get a good result on thurs and then be confident for sunday. . . .with any luck rooneys (ESCORT) will brake down and he will have to call the aa! ! !

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 17:46:48

14 Sep 2010 17:21:24
IN RAFA WE TRUST. PLEASE get of rafas back all you so called lfc fans got rid of rafaand your still talking rubbish about him .if you think were worse now than when he took over then your nuts.some of you say look where having faith in rafa has got us to. well it got us to two champions league finals fa cup finale league cup finale semi finale champions league 2nd in the league some of the best nights ive ever known 35 years following lfc so yes i had trust in rafa and allways would have the least he deserves is liverpool fans respect. soul man .

Terrible punctuation. Must try harder. Grade D-

 

 

14 Sep 2010 17:37:30

I work at mcdonalds and I can guarantee that the talk about ronald mcdonald bidding for the club is absolutely true.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 17:34:35
Lets face it hodgson is a piece of s* t manager and we'll get a hiding sunday

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 17:21:24
IN RAFA WE TRUST. PLEASE get of rafas back all you so called lfc fans got rid of rafaand your still talking rubbish about him .if you think were worse now than when he took over then your nuts.some of you say look where having faith in rafa has got us to. well it got us to two champions league finals fa cup finale league cup finale semi finale champions league 2nd in the league some of the best nights ive ever known 35 years following lfc so yes i had trust in rafa and allways would have the least he deserves is liverpool fans respect. soul man .

 

 

14 Sep 2010 17:14:58

I am not worried if this is going to affect my chances. But lust to inform all you loyal supporters of this great and legendary club.
Let me introduce myself. I am sanz gonZalez, working for my boss who is worth 18billion. My boss has put in a substantial bid for the club and is indeed leading the race. I am most likely to become the chairman if the bid is successful. Hope for the best. I wish to garner support of fans through this exceptional site.

CEO,
_ _ _ _ _
Cant fill in the name of the company at this moment.
YNWA TO BE.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 17:08:29

The german drug dealer does not exist! He s dead for god's sake. He was the emperor of germany who planned to wipe out english cities including liverpool. Now he s out of his grave wanting to buy the club he once wanted to wipe out ?! Ha ha. You guys are nothin but jokers.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 17:04:39

And those claimin that this guy is bust and that guy is bust.-
Better stop wasting your and our time by making such ridiculous claim cos you guys are not some high level manager in the company's finance dept.
So your utterences are crap. Stop it now and here before you become bust yourselves.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 17:04:09

I work in a stable in Ireland which has strong links with the Godolphin team in Dubai. Rumour here is that Shekik Mohammand is interested in Liverpool and has been in formal discussions with the club. However we were told that theres another Middle Eastern party that Shekik Mohammand cannot compete with financially and is hoping that hes picked as the best bidder and not the highest bidder as he can't match his rival.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 17:00:57

Anyone who believes tales spun by those claimin they had been to carra's party and crap can consider himself a big fool.
And anyone who claims such things, need some trainin on bluffing.
Grow up!

 

 

14 Sep 2010 16:48:47

After reading the banter page today i decided to answer the claim that benitez was a good tactical manager who for i ask milan in 2005 or a year later lets not forget liverpool won the champions league on pens not through any great tactical plan, or maybe it was the fact he made a great big mistake with the team selection from the off playin kewell who had to go off once we where 3.0 down and he had to make a change by bringing on the player who should have played from the start hamman, certainly no tactical genius he made the same mistake the next year kewell again plus zenden who was got rid of the next day.fa cup final win another on pens to lowly west ham. yea what a great tactical manager he was, he so had to go

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 16:45:11

14 Sep 2010 16:21:48

Blair mayne is an uneducated bafoon
stockholm is in sweden and is not in norway
and to dismiss my info is bollocks just watch the new owners will have huge links to sweden

scousedundee

Who said Stockholm (Capital of Sweden) was in Norway?

Uneducated Maybe!

Baffoon deffinitely!

Blair Mayne YNWA

PS. Your info probably is BOLLOCKS!

 

 

14 Sep 2010 16:39:56

14 Sep 2010 15:07:46

"14 Sep 2010 14:50:06

Just because BILD isn't reporting anything about Markus von Honenzollern-Viet, that means nowt.
He is rather like the Keith Harris group - under the radar.
People with that much dosh and low profile don't brag in the media.
He's an arms dealer mate!
He wants privacy but also wants to enjoy his money.
Just ebcause you don't beleive it, doesn't make it a lie.
Get real - this man is serious."

Oh he's flying under the radar is he? That's why you claimed it was all over the German news. Seriously, it's one thing to make up a lie, but quite another to chase it and make yourself look foolish.
Keith Harris is extremely well known and it is likely that his clients are known to the media too, they just haven't been linked by any corroborative evidence. You've made up a name using various aspects of Franco-Germanic-Prussian places and lineages, invented a profession and tried to hook people. You caught a few, but not many, it's time for you go back to the drawing board mate, nobody is buying it. Your problem was claiming it was all over the German newspapers and radio - a claim which you couldn't back up. Next time do what the rest of the jokers do and pick a name off the Forbes rich list and don't pretend it's all over the foreign media as even the Murdoch gutter press would've picked it up and my German mates would've phoned me the second such a story broke.

WELL SAID!

 

 

14 Sep 2010 16:38:24

14 Sep 2010 16:09:35

Liverpool takeover to speed up from friday as it will be in the papers ahead of the man utd game and will be all in the papers next week

OH JUST WHAT WE NEED TO DISTRACT THE TEAM BEFORE A BIG MATCH. NO DOUBT THE MANUTD SUPPORTING PAPERS WILL SPIN THE IDEA OF LIVERPOOL ON THE VERGE BANKRUPTCY ETC. . I BELIEVE THIS IS WHY THE PLAYERS SEEM SO LETHARGIC AND LACKING IN CONFIDENCE.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 16:35:30

14 Sep 2010 16:21:48

Blair mayne is an uneducated bafoon
stockholm is in sweden and is not in norway
and to dismiss my info is bollocks just watch the new owners will have huge links to sweden

scousedundee

ANYONE REMEMBER THE SEVERAL POSTS FROM AROUND MID JULY MENTIONING INTEREST IN BUYING LIVERPOOL FROM THE SWEDISH MULTI BILLIONNAIRE OWNER OF THE GLOBAL RETAIL CHAIN H&M. APPARENTLY HE IS NEARLY AS RICH (EASILY OVER 10BN POUNDS) AS THE IKEA OWNER.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 16:34:42

"14 Sep 2010 16:21:57

" . . and don't pretend it's all over the foreign media as even the Murdoch gutter press would've picked it up and my German mates would've phoned me the second such a story broke."

Well they ain't much cop as mates then are they?! !"

At least hey exist, unlike your arms dealer.
Give me one url from a credible source and i'll take it all back. If it was on local radio then regional sites would have picked it up at least. One url, that's all anyone is asking for, but you can't provide it because it doesn't exist, nor does your mysterious arms dealer. Face it mate, you've tried posting this info on various sites and no one believes you because you've painted yourself into a corner by claiming it was all over the media in Germany when clearly it isn't. Your protests without any evidence are getting quite embarrassing now.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 16:22:08

ED?

I know its early days and there are many aspects I like about his approach, but like many his tactics on Sun against Brum worried me somewhat, I kept looking at the touchline expecting to see Rafa.

But in your opinion ED do you think new owners will get rid of Roy? Was he only ever a stop gap or do you think he will be given the opportunity to spend any HOPEFULLY HUGE transfer funds?
{Editor's note - I think he will stay on if you get new owners}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 16:21:57

" . . and don't pretend it's all over the foreign media as even the Murdoch gutter press would've picked it up and my German mates would've phoned me the second such a story broke."

Well they ain't much cop as mates then are they?! !

 

 

14 Sep 2010 16:21:48

Blair mayne is an uneducated bafoon
stockholm is in sweden and is not in norway
and to dismiss my info is bollocks just watch the new owners will have huge links to sweden

scousedundee

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 15:35:37
"Question. Why would the Champions League winners, winners of the TREBLE for the first time in Italian history employ Rafael Benitez as coach?

Gazman"

Because they haven't given him control of transfers. Rafa is a very good tactician but is very poor in the transfer market.

right so - who would win - (Arguably) Houlliers best team:

(he inherited - quite a few)

Jerzy Dudek
carra Stephane Henchoz Sami Hyypia Riise
Murphy Gerrard Hamman Kewell
Owen Heskey
bench. Biscan, Diouf, Cisse, Baros, Smicer, Traore, Kirkland,

Arguably Benitez's best Team from his tenure:

Torres
Gerrard
Garcia Alonso Mascherano Kuyt
Riise Agger Carra Finnan?Johnson?
Reina
bench.
Skrtel, Crouch, Bellamy, Arbeloa, Benayoun, Aurelio, Carson

(sissoko, Riera?)

Its interesting but I think Benitez's team is far superior Ed.

Looking at the players that Benitez brought in, he mad some top signings. Anyway, the question wasn't to you personally, I wondered if anyone else had an idea why Inter appointed Benitez? Personally I think its because he's a really good manager.

Gazman {ed's note - I never answered the question mate.}

 

 

14 Sep 2010 15:31:43

* *IN REPLY TO* *

{ed's note - I don't think either Lucas or Aqualani are right for Liverpool. With the right players around them they could do well, but those players aren't at the club.}


Who are the right players for Lucas?

As a challenge, name me 5 worse CM starting XI players in the premiership please. . .

He is so average its untrue and there are no right players for him. I only wish he was Argentine as Maradona would have probably had him kidnapped by now if he was part of the international setup!

PINDER SEMBHI YNWA * * * * * {ed's note - he is not a CM, he is an AM, you are judging a lad playing completely out of position, shorn of confidence, with his own team's fans too blinkered to blame anyone but him for everything that goes wrong. He was better than Gerrard last season and yet I don't hear you calling Gerrard rubbish. Put some movement in front of him, give him some freedom and confidence, and then judge him. He will never get that at Liverpool because of fans like you, that is a shame because we will never know if he really could be good enough. I remember a number of players that looked far worse in their early years than him, Sammy Lee, Ian Rush and Jamie Carragher spring to mind, but they went on to do all right for the club didn't they?}

 

 

14 Sep 2010 15:25:40
RE: Jason Lee got a pineapple on his head.

LUCAS

sometimes a player just has to leave because the club is not healthy for him. Or the supporters do not take to him.

Diego Forlan got alot of stick at MAn utd, once he left his confidance came back and he started playing.

Liverpool + lucas might be one of those relationships that someone needs to call time on

Still a good player, but we won't see it at liverpool.

its just one of those things.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 15:21:33

Having read this forum for a while now can I just observe that Liverpool airport must be the busiest airport in the world. Between the hordes of "World Class" players seen arriving on the last day of the transfer window and now veritible multitude of billionairs ( cheque book in hand ) trooping through to buy the club ( and not mentioning club doctors jetting off to perform medicals in remote locations, board members off to see yet more buyers and lets not forget Ryan Babel's helicopter ) they must be crawling over every agency in town to hire the extra staff they need to handle all of this. What an outstanding contribution by the club to help the city beat the recession (the hotels must be doing great business as well ). Great job!

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 15:00:51

* *LUCAS SAGA* *

Alright Ed,

Just wanted to clarify one thing with you. Would you genuinely rather have Lucas playing for LFC and give him another 30 odd chances for us to get "behind him"? or would you have liked to see "lightweight" Aqua given a chance to see whether he could cope with the prem?

Could it be that it is because Lucas is such a weak CM that Gerrard doesn't get on the ball as much?
Watch the games and you will see how many times Gerrard is primed for a pass yet Lucas either gives it away or plays a stupid back/ side pass which leaves Gerrard no chance to trackback for it!

Masch broke up the play so brilliantly and like a terrier meant that the opposition never got comfortable on the ball. Equally, Even Masch could spread and pass the ball )quickly! ) whereas Lucas simply plays sideward 1-2's for his opta stats to look better.

Lucas is not a CM and will never be top goalscorer - even if he did do well in Brazil.

Lets just accept that LFC needs a playmaker and neither Lucas or Poulsen are that.

PINDER SEMBHI YNWA * * * * * {ed's note - I don't think either Lucas or Aqualani are right for Liverpool. With the right players around them they could do well, but those players aren't at the club.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 14:55:57

FORGET DIC. DIC IS BUST. BUT SHEIKH MAKTOUM COULD BUY THE CLUB WITH HIS OWN MASSIVE PERSONAL WEALTH - 18 BN POUNDS.

reply - I often wonder whether Gillett or particularly the Texan Hicks would sell to any Middle Eastern bidder, if the views of the Florida Pastor are as commonplace in America as they looked judging from News reports last week (whipped up by the evangelical wing of the Bush/ Palin political right.


Religon will mean nothing when H&G sell LFC. The only thing they are concerned with is prophet (excuse the pun).

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

14 Sep 2010 14:54:55

I will not support a club that is owned by an arms dealer!

I would rather watch us be relegated to the 2nd Division than watch some mass murderer spend his bloody money on our club!

H&G really have no morals and will sell to the highest bidder so we as fans have to make it clear to any potential buyers that we will not accept scum into our club.

I might not agree being owned by a arms dealer but come on mate, the biggest arms dealings in the world are the 5 permanent members of the UN Council. UK, USA, China, Germany & Russia.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 14:43:06

14 Sep 2010 14:15:15

14 Sep 2010 10:13:58

"Not true. DIC have not invested in RBS. Please back up your statement with facts. You talk about their influence on RBS. Senior executives at RBS call Sheikh Maktoum "Sheikh Make Doom". The guy is floating in $hite. DIC is not anywhere near the picture."

That is priceless coming from RBS execs


FORGET DIC. DIC IS BUST. BUT SHEIKH MAKTOUM COULD BUY THE CLUB WITH HIS OWN MASSIVE PERSONAL WEALTH - 18 BN POUNDS.

reply - I often wonder whether Gillett or particularly the Texan Hicks would sell to any Middle Eastern bidder, if the views of the Florida Pastor are as commonplace in America as they looked judging from News reports last week (whipped up by the evangelical wing of the Bush/ Palin political right.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 14:41:40
RE:Europa League should be treated like League-cup.

At Fulham, hodgson played fulhams reserve team for the start of the cup. They didn't start to take Europa league seriouly until mid way point.

Fulham wanted make sure they where staff in the premiership first.

Liverpool should use europa as way to blood in some of young talent like Kelly.

Untill their is a real prize for winning the europa league. I think every team will treat it with no respect. *they need to give away a champions league place to winner + prize

liverpool should Concentrate on League games and only league game.

Also Gerrard should give up international Football. He needs to Put Club before Country.

He not going to anothr world cup. He too old to be traveling all over the world for internationals.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 14:32:46
Do you remember the beach bal fiasco?well why don't you do the same sort of thing on sunday, but instead of beach balls, your gonna love this, blow up dolls with telephone numbers on them of local hookers, just like the ads in shop windows, and telephone boxes, see if scrooney has a sense of humor, also it will p* * off the mancs, and may just get the pikey sent off.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 14:22:01

14 Sep 2010 14:01:59
QUOTE "Stop panicing, maybe turn Sky Sports off for a while and ignore the papers for a bit."

What a fantastic piece of advice too many. In fact go a step further, never ever read the papers and just look at the presenters on Sky and take no heed to the rubbish coming out of their pretty mouths about us.

GOOD ADVICE. THE PAPERS, SKY AND RADIO LIKE TALKSPORT ARE JUST GOING TO BE AWFUL IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS UNTIL ANY TAKEOVER HAPPENS. IT WILL BE TERRIBLE ON OCTOBER 6 WITH NONE OF THE PRESS OR MEDIA POINTING OUT THAT LFC DEBT IS MOSTLY CAUSED BY THE H&G LEVERAGED BUYOUT IN 07. LIVERPOOL WERE VERY CONSERVATIVELY AND PRUDENTLY RUN BEFORE THEN. LIVERPOOL IS NO PORTSMOUTH! ! !

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 14:16:27

14 Sep 2010 14:13:21

Twinned with Borussia Dortmund and King Kenny as Chairman.
Bring on the good times!
Now we are rocking and rolling!

WHY?

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 14:08:27
RE: I will not support a club that is owned by an arms dealer!

sir by living in the UK, you are party to some of the worst crimes that have happen to man-kind.
But you don't seem to have any problems living here.

Grow up. US + England produce most of guns that 3rd world people kill themselves with.

Also US + UK invaded iraq together. The UK has in one way of another invaded other countries and committed 100s of war crimes over history. Our Snipper riffers are one of best selling arms on the planet.

As is Russias AK47.

You need to understnd that these products have a place in the market, and countires like Uk make, manufacture and help middle men distribute them.

You have a problem with liverpool being owned by this person. Really plz grow up. RBS has prob funded more activities that have directly hurt people

If u feel like this. Then go live in Tibet, and have chinese treat you like mug.

Hippy.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 14:01:59
QUOTE "Stop panicing, maybe turn Sky Sports off for a while and ignore the papers for a bit."

What a fantastic piece of advice too many. In fact go a step further, never ever read the papers and just look at the presenters on Sky and take no heed to the rubbish coming out of their pretty mouths about us.

Christ there is no patience in anyone at the moment. i can remember watching Liverpool in 1984 away at West Brom when we were utterly dreadful but Rush popped up (after doing less than what Torres did on Sunday) in the 90th minute and scored the only goal of the match.

I can remember going to watch the 5-1 thrashing we received at Coventry, but i can't remember too many scousers going off on one. We were brilliant in those days but at times we didn't play the greatest of football.

Teams are a lot harder to play against nowadays. Liverpool fans appear to think we have a divine right to beat everyone because we are LFC. Let's give a little more respect to the other clubs and players and a little more patience to our players.

Dann and Johnson may not be sexy foreign players but as a pair they are extremely solid and will prove difficult to break down especially on their own turf. Had Bham got Sergio Ramos and Puyol at centre backs everyone would be raving about their brilliant shut out of Torres. But because they have unfashionable English names they are given no respect toward their ability.

So can we at least give some credit to the opposition and realise players will always raise their game against us. As well as giving some thought that we have totally new back room staff in, with different ideas and different players to gel in. This doesn't happen overnight. Anyone who thinks it does, obviously doesn't know the game any deeper than seeing the score wizz across the screen on sky and saying "God we're crap" because 10 mins have been played and the score's still nil-nil FFS.

Hodgson's going to need at least till Xmas to see any signs of improvement. Hopefully by then, we can see some glimmer of light.

Bob the Red

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 13:30:22

I will not support a club that is owned by an arms dealer!

I would rather watch us be relegated to the 2nd Division than watch some mass murderer spend his bloody money on our club!

H&G really have no morals and will sell to the highest bidder so we as fans have to make it clear to any potential buyers that we will not accept scum into our club.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 13:18:53

Couple of things

1.
As we all know its the Europa League on Thursday but is anyone really interested?
Seeing as no ones really happy with the Premeir League performances so far should we just play the reserves/ kids on Thursday and put the full team out on Sunday with the hope that Roy has had a word with a couple of his players so that we get a decent performance against the manure. If so

Thuursday team should be

Jones
Kelly, Kryiakos, Wilson, Aurielo (if fit, otherwise stick darby and kelly as fullbacks)

Maxi, Shelvey, Poulsen & Cole

Pacheco and Babel

Put Amoo, Ngog, Ince, Mavinga, Spearing, Eccleston & Gulasci on the bench


Sunday team

Reina
Johnson, Agger, Carragher, Konchesky
Maxi, Meireles, Gerrard, Jovanovic
Cole, Torres

Put Jones, Poulsen, Pacheco, Skrtel, Babel, Kelly & Lucas on the bench

2. The takeover. Nothings going to happen October 6th. A number of people including the editor and myself have asked why would someone put an offer in now when they now the price is going to be lower when RBS take control because the yanks default on their payments

Its all doom and gloom at the moment due to lack of new owners and poor football but I believe Roy will get the team playing well soon and hope that he board get the ownership issue sorted asap but I personally don't think anything will happen until the New Year.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 13:14:06

I think it is time LFC to get a pure, stable system like Barcelona do, and to keep it for a long time. Then to buy and sell players, coaches and managers, but not to change the system. All of them cannot change the system. They can change some aspects, passes, tackling and other elements, but the whole system cannot be changed. This brings stability and when plaers, managers, coeaches know the system then all the reserve and younger squads are build on this system. Later we will be supplied with quality young players ready for the same way of playing.
But we do it in the wrong way - we change systems, we change managers and coaches, we change plaers and their position. Then we expect results - we get what we deserv - chaos. We have chaos in the club, on the pitch, everywhere.

Hristo, Bulgaria

 

 

14 Sep 2010 13:01:55
BREAKING NEWS! !
A local source has confirmed that a tramp billionaire (made his billions on selling old beer cans for scrap and now has the rights to all litter dropped in the entire UK) is looking at purchasing LFC and anfield to turn it into a rehab client for the ever increasing number of premiership players with personal problems.
Alex has already booked a place or two and is looking forward to getting his players back on the straight and narrow.

The new stadium will be built to house the ever increasing number of frustrated supporter who will be provided with seats that have built in catapults to fire rotten fruit at the team should their move not provide an improvement in the appalling displays recently put out.

Please stop putting forward crazy quotes, we are all frustrated with the current owners and only want to hear about actual developments.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 12:38:39

LFCs loss is Inters gain. HE IS WITHOUT DOUBT THE BEST MANAGER IN FOOTBALL RIGHT NOW!

IN RAFA WE TRUST

What about zonal marking at set pieces?

What about about making the most rediculous substitutions over and over again?

What about Josemi, Nunez, Paletta, Dossena, Pellegrino, Voronin, Gonzalez, Degen, and Alonso's replacement Aquilani

Best manager in the world, maybe not eh?

IN RAFA WE DID TRUST, BUT LOOK WHERE IT GOT US!

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 12:29:18

I think we need to look back at Rafa's reign and then look at Roy's buy's this summer.

Firstly Rafa inherieted a squad that had little value (if he wanted to sell players) other than Gerrard and Owen. The club had just spent 14m on Cisse (Houlier's signing). So apart from Alonso and Garcia the other players bought were risks (players who had not been targeted by other big clubs that Rafa could buy cheaply). Therefore Rafa made some good buy's and also some that didn't come off (Josemi & Nunez as a prime examples).

Rafa continued to do this (Sissoko sold Macherano brought in, Bellamy sold Torres brought in) but also couldn't risk players going into the last years of there contracts so they were sold (if they wanted to leave (Crouch, Arebola fall into these categories).

The last 3 Rafa Transfer windows saw many players leave and the players replaced were not of the same quality (every year (1st 3 years) Rafa had net £20m to spend on players but that hasn't happened for the last 2 years).

Onto Roy, new home frown rule to deal with and trying to operate on a negative budget; it's not going to be easy for him so I have some sympathy as until we stop paying interest on this huge debt things are't going to get any better.

I personally think Rafa was a great tactician, however seeing some of the looks on Gerrards and torres face last year when he made changes I'm not sure the whole squad was happy with him.

For Roy to say he was happy for a point at Brum then I'm sorry that's not good enough. I'd have preferred him to say the squad is still needing time for him to implment his tactics. Never should 2nd be good enough for our great club; being a realist or not.


So in summary Rafa was a great manager but not without his faults (both with players and transfers)and the current squad isn't all Roy's doing so until new owners arrive it's going to be nervy for a while!

On a positive note the Reserve and Academy players are looking a lot better this year.

Hoola

 

 

14 Sep 2010 12:01:01
Really think we need to get back to basics and find a formation that everyone is comfortable with and knows and just stick with it. Either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 for me!

Torres badly needs a partner up front as PL defenders know how to mark him out the game, it's to easy for them. Torres and Babel would make a great partnerships, plenty of pace, power and skill!

Gerrard and Meireles controlling midfield and cole and kuyt on the wings, it would certainly give other teams something to think about.

4-4-2

- - - - - - -Torres- - - Babel

- - - - Cole- - - Gerrard- - - -Kuyt

- - - - - - - - - Meireles

- -Konchesky- -Agger- - Carra- - Johnson


Roy really needs to drop this 4-2-3-1 cr*p, as Rafa found out it DOESN'T work!

 

 

14 Sep 2010 11:51:40

I think it's pretty obvious that no-one's going to bid for our mighty club now when it would be possible to buy it at half the price in 3 weeks time - it just doesn't make sense!

I think we'll need to wait until mid october until any solid news is about. I do however think it will be a bid from an Asian based company/ person as it would make economical sense in terms of the marketing opportunities it would open for the club as well as there being plenty of investable cash in that area.

You'll never walk alone!

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 11:11:15

To the person who posted this:

We need to look at the players at our club and use them to the best we can for example we need width and pace, attacking options and most importantly goals to win games so why don't we imply a new formation with the best personel we have to accomplish this? which in my opinion is this one:

- - - - - -reina- - - - - - -

- -skrtel- -carra- -agger- - -

johnson- - - - - - -konchesky
- - - - - poulsen- - - - - - -

- - - -mereiles- -gerrard- - -

- - - - - cole- - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - -torres- - - - -

3 cb to keep door shut, johnson and konchesky as wing backs to provide width as we don't have decent wingers, poulsen to clean up in midfield, gerrard and mereiles linking it up and pulling the strings, cole playing just of torres which i believe will get the goals.
does anyone agree or what are other peoples thoughts inc ed's?

I've been thinking of the types of players we have available to us and the strengths/ weaknesses of those players.

Based on this I agree a 3 CB's with 2 Wing Backs would be good (given our lack of pace on the wings/ very few options).

not sure if I would play a 5 1 2 2 or a 5 2 1 2; the second option allows gerrard to play in the CM position and at least allow some creativity.

Also now a lot of teams play with a lone striker this wouldn't be an issue as long as Agger is playing as he can play a more advanced role of the 3 CB's should he have the time and space.

Hoola

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 10:50:53

"Question. Why would the Champions League winners, winners of the TREBLE for the first time in Italian history employ Rafael Benitez as coach?

Gazman"

Because they haven't given him control of transfers. Rafa is a very good tactician but is very poor in the transfer market.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 10:39:03

We need to look at the players at our club and use them to the best we can for example we need width and pace, attacking options and most importantly goals to win games so why don't we imply a new formation with the best personel we have to accomplish this? which in my opinion is this one:

- - - - - -reina- - - - - - -

- -skrtel- -carra- -agger- - -

johnson- - - - - - -konchesky
- - - - - poulsen- - - - - - -

- - - -mereiles- -gerrard- - -

- - - - - cole- - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - -torres- - - - -

3 cb to keep door shut, johnson and konchesky as wing backs to provide width as we don't have decent wingers, poulsen to clean up in midfield, gerrard and mereiles linking it up and pulling the strings, cole playing just of torres which i believe will get the goals.
does anyone agree or what are other peoples thoughts inc ed's?

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 10:25:22

RIGHT GUYS LETS JUST SEE HOW THE PASSION IS ON SUNDAY AND ALSO WEHRE WE ARE BY XMAS. WITH ALL THE NEGATIVITY ITS NO WONDER THERE ALL PLAYING BADLY. . . . LETS HAVE A BIT OF PERSPECTIVE HERE. . . .EVERYTHIN IS STILL UP IN THE AIR WITH THE TAKE OVER, WE AINT GONNA WIN THE LEAGUE IN SEPT SO CALM DOWN AND BE PATIENT. RANT OVER COME ON THE REDS! ! (DO YOU AGREE ED? ? ) {ed's note - I do mate, people are far too ready to expect the worst. Roy has had no pre-season with most of the players, no chance to get them into the style of play he wants. It will take time, hopefully we will start to see signs soon though.}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 10:17:44

This is the team i believe that we should start with for the clash with the scum:
- - - - - -reina- - - - - -
johnson- carragher- agger- konchesky- - -
maxi- - meirelles- - gerro- - jovanovic
- - - - - - - cole- - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - -El nino- - - - - - -

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 09:57:55

Gazman is right!

Rafa was the best and most tactically astute manager we have ever had.

We won alot of Silverware and 2005 was genuis what he said or did at half time was truely remarkable.

In 2007 we came close to winning the UCL, tactics were spot on, Milan just rode their luck.

Dont forget Rafa is a strong man he was not bullied into playing Bellamey when lesser managers would have thrown him on Rafa remember his antics before the Barca game and set a strong example!

We owe a huge debt to Rafa, he left us a superb squad that Roy seems intent on destroying.

Rafa used his money wisely and brought in great quality players at very low rates.

LFCs loss is Inters gain. HE IS WITHOUT DOUBT THE BEST MANAGER IN FOOTBALL RIGHT NOW!

IN RAFA WE TRUST

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 09:36:05
Question. Why would the Champions League winners, winners of the TREBLE for the first time in Italian history employ Rafael Benitez as coach?

Gazman

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 09:30:57

The game on birmingham proves we can't challenge for anything this term and the main player we need is a class winger but why was roy just hanging on charlton rubbish cole is beyond my thinking. . we need turan or ashley young. .and by the way how is the swiss kid supposedly to be shown interest by liverpool. .any truth in it?

 

 

14 Sep 2010 09:10:35
Which absolute fool posted this?:

only just seen it. . about Rafa

Season 1 : Terrible in League, brought in one of the worst players in our long history (Nunez) in part transfer for Owen. .disaster! Josemi? Really Rafa?
In the Champions League final he got tactics all wrong so we were 3 down at half time. .brought on Hamman at half time to keep the score down (Dont tell me he knew Hamman comin on would mean we'd come back 3-3).

Are YOU thick?

WE WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE! ! - the champions league! ! what more do you want! Rafa's wife? are you stupid. And he got to the final again 2 years later!

Ive said it before and I'l say it again - We made a huge mistake getting rid of Raf Benitez. Watch

Gazman

 

 

14 Sep 2010 08:22:14

With all the continued talk of Lucas being a player not fit to wear the shirt, I think some Reds fans need to start looking at the capabilities of Johnson. The man is going from bad to worse in his defensive performances, as the game aginst Brum confirmed, and the sooner Roy starts to put a little more trust in the likes of Kelly the better.


lucas is s* te and that's a fact , the sooner he is out of the team the better, he only knows how to play the ball backwards and sideways , he has me fuming during every match and as for glen johnson i think roy should do with him what harry redknapp has done with bale and play him right midfield instead of right back or even as a wing back in a 5-3-2 formation

reina
johnson
agger
carragher
skrtel
konchesky
gerrard
merieles
cole
torres
babel

subs
kuyt
poulson
pacheco
amoo
kelly
aurelio
eccleston

and in january if the takeover is complete we need 4 players minimum

connor wickham
brede hangeland
arda turan
sergio aguero

if we cannot get any of these players lfc has had it and expect to enjoy the mid table scraps from now on

 

 

14 Sep 2010 08:18:26

My liverpool xl 2010/ 11
Reina

Kelly Agger Škrtel Konchesky

Gerrard Meireles

Johnson Joe Cole
Milan Jovanović

Fernando Torres

 

 

14 Sep 2010 07:48:46
Two points, the season is fours games old, don't believe the hype coming from the papers & Sky. They need you to believe that every week is a 'six pointer', it's not - nothing is decided in September. Nobody has done very well yet other than Chelsea and they've played noone yet. We, by this weekend, will have played some of our main rivals already.

Do we really expect Roy to play our Raul after three days in the country after the international break? Of course not. .

Stop panicing, maybe turn Sky Sports off for a while and ignore the papers for a bit.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 07:32:37
I disagree with most of that Roy, sorry!
And it wasn't the boards fault. .it was Rafa's!
Everyone blames Souness for what crap he left behind. .so why not Rafa?
Ask yourself one question Roy, did Rafa leave us stronger than when he came to us?
My answer is: 100% NOOOOO! !

The team from two years ago would have battered anything Houllier had playing for us - get a grip. Torres, Alonso, Masc, Reina were head and shoulders above what was there before - not to say Benitez didn't manage to mess it up by losing Alonso, and then it fell apart.

 

 

14 Sep 2010 07:27:06
Why do people keep posting with the Caps Lock on? Turn it off, no need to shout. .

 

 

14 Sep 2010 07:18:38

We just need a owner to give us 50m for the first year and 25m for the coming years. It is useless if liverpool new owner is a sugardaddy because of the new rules which are going to happen in next few years. 50m to buy dzeko 35m, arda turan 14m, Inler 12m, and a swiss teenager with 2m.Lucas and kuyt out with total of 14m.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 06:50:28

Dear friends i am one of u always love my club hate to see them loose and even draw and i still believe liverpool will be in good hands after few days time. .But what i have seen for the last two BPL games that's nothing has changed from last season again the negativity is there in the starting line up.no creativity and again 11M pounds. signing is sitting.on the bench what the hell is that again no chance given to pachecho, babel.to prove their worth i got really frustrated watching the game maxi, lucas, poulsen.ridiculous they didn't done anything in the match. . .just thing if he won't be positive in his line ups.and his tactics than he won't be a success here, i don't want to see this negative performance again so pass this message to MR. Hodgson. to Go for the match not go with a negative thinking like before in past seasons we are doing. don't blame players or money give chance to youngsteres without fear. . do it. . . . .
for MY CLUB>>>>>>>>>>>LIVERPOOL>>>>

 

 

14 Sep 2010 03:06:00

HEY ED, I FEEL JUST THE SAME AS ALL THE REDS FANS AROUND THE WORLD AT THE MOMENT, CLUB BOTH ON AND OFF THE PITCH ARE IN A MESS. WHEN THIS TAKE OVER HAPPENS DO YOU THINK THE CLUB WILL TURN AROUND STRAIGHT AWAY YOUR DO YOU BELEIVE THE PROJECT IS A LOT LARGER THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. IMAGINE TO TAKE US BACK TO THE SUMMIT OF FOOTBALL AGAIN, FIRST WE NEED TO WIN THE PREM, DO YOU YOU THINK THE CURRENT MANAGER AND SQUAD COULD DO SO, BECAUSE DEEP DOWN I DONT. IF WE GET A SUGAR DADDY THEN MAYBE WITH A BIG NAMED COACH, A CRAZY SPENDING SPREE IN JAN AND NEXT SUMMER, MAYBE GET US THAT TITLE NEXT SEASON OR THE ONE AFTER. ALL WHILE THE STADIUM IS BUILT.

IF NO SUGAR DADDY COMES IN THEN, IMAGINE IF TORRES LEAVES AND GERRARD ALSO FOLLOWS, EVEN IF HE STAYS HAVING A TEAM OR SQUAD TO WIN THE TITLE OR EVEN TO COMPETE FOR THE TITLE WILL TAKE A WHILE, MAYBE 5 YEARS, AS I BELIEVE THE BULK OF THE MONEY SPENT BY NEW OWNER WILL GO TOWARDS THE BUILD OF THE STADIUM. UNLESS HOWEVER IT IS BROKERED IN THE SALE THAT THE NEW OWNERS WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE SUBSTATIONAL TRANSFER FUNDS IN EACH WINDOW SHOULD THE TEAM REQUIRE, AT LEAST £30-£40 MILLION IN SUMMERS AND £20 IN JAN FOR AT LEASTS THREE YEARS

JUST MY VEIW, ED WHAT DO YOU THINK? FELLOW KOPITES WHAT DO YOU THINK ?

TAN.
{Editor's note - I think a lot of Liverpool fans are optamistic. It is unlikely that Liverpool will get a suger dad. The best thing for Liverpool would be to get a sensible owner who could afford the stadium and give a bit of money but to focus on youth}

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 01:22:53

"He (Rafa) did not waste the money, he made a profit of £25m in transfers over the 5 years."

You will find that the debate is more to do with "how the money was spent rather than profit/ loss". Look at Arsene Wenger. He is a board room's dream because he keeps on making them a profit in transfer dealings but what is the point if the team is not being strengthened and trophies are not won? It's not always about how much one spends but where the money is spent i.e. positions in need of strengthening and right players brought in.
This where IMO Rafa failed miserably. Rafa did well in the market in the first 3 years. The last 2 years were a disaster. All great managers have made blunders in the market but mistakes must be accepted and rectified. How Morientes was sold, the same should have been done with Lucas, Babel, Insua and yes Kuyt too. Kuyt is not a winger and neither can he play as a lone striker (which was the system favoured by Rafa).
Rafa's ego became too inflated by the end of his term. I blame Rafa for Alonso's departure but I will blame the owners when Torres leaves (which i'm convinced will be next summer). Torres should be playing in a better team. Lucas, Insua should never have worn a LFC shirt. They are sub-standard and that is obvious to even the most dim supporter.

 

 

 

 

14 Sep 2010 00:01:46

So Roy, Torres was not his number 1 target? ?

 

 

13 Sep 2010 23:59:55

I disagree with most of that Roy, sorry!
And it wasn't the boards fault. .it was Rafa's!
Everyone blames Souness for what crap he left behind. .so why not Rafa?
Ask yourself one question Roy, did Rafa leave us stronger than when he came to us?
My answer is: 100% NOOOOO! !

 

 

13 Sep 2010 23:58:48

B(p)MY:
"Forgive me if this post sounds arrogant!

But i know we have match'es to play, team squads, Torres and Gerrard etc.

Nothing matters more than the Takeover nothing!

IF this Takeover fails like my good friend Martin Broughton said "we are f*cked"

But we will have to wait untill Oct 6th if not then somtime but it will happen."

Nothing arrogant about your post at all, its the hard reallity that every liverpool fan should understand , But I would fear even a day after the 6th is very bad news for us my friend.

Roy